2010-10-19T00:01:34 *** Smloh1 has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T00:07:09 bots on tcp are getting a lot more competitive now 2010-10-19T00:10:26 Top 10 players: rsergio(4084), Hazard(4050), savchenko(4038), deepblue(4008), dmj111(3997), cfaftw(3987), DocBot(3932), sequoh(3886), Rexxar(3848), Manwe56(3830) 2010-10-19T00:17:01 *** hornairs has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2010-10-19T00:20:05 bhasker: the way to stay out of the git/hg debate is to use darcs ;) 2010-10-19T00:20:17 svn 4tw 2010-10-19T00:20:21 ugh 2010-10-19T00:20:25 svn works for me:) 2010-10-19T00:20:38 for managing 5 files i don't need anyting more than svn/cvs 2010-10-19T00:20:54 yeah, where "works" is "does what it's designed to do" and not "makes your life easier" 2010-10-19T00:21:14 well all i really wanted was to be able to revision the code so that i can take major releases and go back and forth 2010-10-19T00:21:19 i am not branching/merging my code 2010-10-19T00:21:20 svn and cvs are a lot heavier than the distributed ones 2010-10-19T00:21:41 for the bot its not complicated enough to justify a debate:) 2010-10-19T00:21:44 so "don't need anything more" isn't really an argument there :P 2010-10-19T00:22:07 *** hornairs has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T00:22:17 bhasker: that's the same argument people use against version control entirely 2010-10-19T00:22:22 i have like 7 branches of my code, all of which are abandoned 2010-10-19T00:22:32 maybe i should branch my code 2010-10-19T00:22:34 "all i need is 'Save As'" 2010-10-19T00:22:40 i use git-svn at work, heh 2010-10-19T00:22:44 been lazy to branch code 2010-10-19T00:22:52 i almost always develop on head 2010-10-19T00:23:02 unless i am making major changes 2010-10-19T00:23:25 i have probably about 10 "faux" branches 2010-10-19T00:23:25 i do too, kinda, but once you get used to git and git-svn i'm technically always working on my own branch, and selectively commit things to trunk 2010-10-19T00:23:41 which is just patches that i'm tentatively using but may remove at any time 2010-10-19T00:23:44 reordering commits and stuff is kinda nifty 2010-10-19T00:23:46 goes against the whole work code commit philosophy:) 2010-10-19T00:23:59 you should read the CI pages:) 2010-10-19T00:24:19 not really... anything that's "ready" for other people to see gets committed to trunk. anything experimental does not. 2010-10-19T00:24:31 it's not like i hold onto branches for months at a time... usually.. 2010-10-19T00:24:43 :) 2010-10-19T00:24:49 also phsaw, CI. who does that? 2010-10-19T00:24:53 even branches that are many months old aren't necessarily bad 2010-10-19T00:25:16 especially if your VCS makes it really easy to keep in sync with upstream anyway 2010-10-19T00:25:36 if it's not ready for trunk, it definitely shouldn't be in trunk 2010-10-19T00:25:38 frickin' yinst_create w/ srcdirs though. can't do that from a git repo cuz it wants svnzip 2010-10-19T00:26:02 :D 2010-10-19T00:26:06 i have no idea what you're talking about now 2010-10-19T00:26:11 work stuff jmc 2010-10-19T00:26:12 secret yahoo technology 2010-10-19T00:26:17 me and a1k0n work in the same team 2010-10-19T00:26:21 ah 2010-10-19T00:27:15 i am now downloading data from dhartmei faster than i can process it with my mapper/reducer 2010-10-19T00:27:17 i worked with an ex-yahoo guy once. he never intentionally said anything negative about it, but his tales nonetheless convinced me that i would probably much rather continue to work at smaller companies 2010-10-19T00:27:48 *** Epona666 has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T00:27:51 it has its plusses and minuses. no arkansas office being a minus for you it seems. 2010-10-19T00:28:00 infrastructure rocks, but gigantic infrastructure that ties you to very specific tools isn't really my cup of tea 2010-10-19T00:28:13 any new breakthroughs? 2010-10-19T00:28:37 i have a graph that says my idea might work 2010-10-19T00:28:37 i'm in alabama 2010-10-19T00:28:45 and i don't care about moving anyway 2010-10-19T00:28:46 sorry, right, huntsville 2010-10-19T00:28:47 *** airhorns has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T00:29:04 like i just moved from wyoming 2010-10-19T00:29:11 looking at a job at stanford actually 2010-10-19T00:29:14 orly 2010-10-19T00:29:19 well palo alto is nice 2010-10-19T00:29:21 yeah, programming language research 2010-10-19T00:29:40 everything there is so expensive though :( 2010-10-19T00:29:45 and stanford doesn't pay well 2010-10-19T00:29:48 no kidding. 2010-10-19T00:32:15 i think i am done developing my bot 2010-10-19T00:32:22 its not improving anymore :( 2010-10-19T00:32:41 *** hornairs has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2010-10-19T00:33:24 *** Appleman1234 has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T00:34:07 make a new one 2010-10-19T00:39:00 i just now figured out where core dumps go on osx 2010-10-19T00:39:17 or actually no i haven't. i found where crash reports go which are almost as useful 2010-10-19T01:07:05 *** delt0r___ has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T01:09:01 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2010-10-19T01:10:04 whaaatt? 2010-10-19T01:10:26 Top 10 players: rsergio(4059), Hazard(4019), savchenko(4007), deepblue(3982), dmj111(3963), cfaftw(3956), DocBot(3905), sequoh(3854), Rexxar(3813), Manwe56(3804) 2010-10-19T01:10:56 there's a game on dhartmei's server, 520004, with three players in it, or something 2010-10-19T01:14:03 oh hmm. no, parsing error, neat 2010-10-19T01:18:14 *** smloh1_ has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T01:20:43 *** Smloh1 has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2010-10-19T01:21:02 *** smloh1_ has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2010-10-19T01:22:27 *** rwa has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T01:23:14 who's still up? 2010-10-19T01:23:19 i am 2010-10-19T01:23:36 you working on a new bot? 2010-10-19T01:23:43 yeah kinda 2010-10-19T01:23:57 ...i should work on my bot 2010-10-19T01:23:58 maybe 2010-10-19T01:24:05 I'm stuck at a conference for a week - was out for beers most of the night 2010-10-19T01:24:20 maybe? 2010-10-19T01:24:23 a1k0n: new bot for minecraft? lol 2010-10-19T01:24:53 some people are up to, what, 3 distinct bots? 5? 2010-10-19T01:25:13 I'm at maybe a half, not counting copybot 2010-10-19T01:25:13 I am still working on 1 myself - lots of problems to fix still 2010-10-19T01:25:20 i am 2010-10-19T01:25:27 how is your tree bot coming anti? 2010-10-19T01:25:28 it's only 4 30pm here though 2010-10-19T01:25:36 11:25 pm where I am 2010-10-19T01:25:44 my minimax bot is getting better when it's not crashing on me 2010-10-19T01:25:53 I'm in Santa Fe - nice town 2010-10-19T01:26:04 i'm in tasmania, it's awesome 2010-10-19T01:26:09 nice 2010-10-19T01:26:12 a1k0n: would be cool actually.. AI that plays minecraft alpha 2010-10-19T01:26:26 the quest to get diamond 2010-10-19T01:27:15 ai stuff is too much fun 2010-10-19T01:27:21 i'm beginning to think i need to find a job in ai 2010-10-19T01:27:22 new zealand has a good rep in the US as a nice place to live 2010-10-19T01:27:51 did you just refer to me as a new zealander? 2010-10-19T01:27:56 you're as bad as a1k0n 2010-10-19T01:28:02 not at all 2010-10-19T01:28:12 just mentioning something relatively close by global standards 2010-10-19T01:28:36 whats a good version of linux to dl 2010-10-19T01:28:39 ah yes okay, we have a mutual rivalry with new zealand, and frankly i think we win 2010-10-19T01:28:47 gotcha 2010-10-19T01:28:47 most likely i will do one of three things: give up on my c bot and become an admin to fix problems, give up on my c bot and write a new one in python, finish the c bot and stop 2010-10-19T01:29:20 isn't there something called cpython 2010-10-19T01:29:24 Zannick: you don't have to give up on a bot 2010-10-19T01:29:30 Zannick: tcp is still open 2010-10-19T01:29:34 If my wife doesn't divorce me first, I am going to finish my C++ bot. And hell, if she does I'll have more time to finish it. 2010-10-19T01:29:40 Epona666: cpython is the standard implementation for python 2010-10-19T01:30:00 Epona666: there is a thing called cython, which is basically python compiled to c 2010-10-19T01:30:05 Epona666: which becomes a lot faster 2010-10-19T01:30:17 Epona: I would say ubuntu is a nice linux to dl 2010-10-19T01:30:21 no, i'm not done, that's the problem. 2010-10-19T01:30:28 the download keeps failing 2010-10-19T01:30:34 huh 2010-10-19T01:30:56 your connection not reliable enough? It's a pretty big dl 2010-10-19T01:30:57 it's not runnable, the logic for turns other than the first are not in place 2010-10-19T01:31:08 s/are/is/ 2010-10-19T01:31:17 i'm doing what i can, so we'll see 2010-10-19T01:31:21 im gonna torrent it 2010-10-19T01:31:45 I've settled on ubuntu for my linux installations for my home boxes 2010-10-19T01:32:05 amstan: i didn't sleep on saturday night, i blame you 2010-10-19T01:32:20 Epona666: torrenting linux is a very good idea, it's usually as fast as normal downloads 2010-10-19T01:32:33 and it increases security too, if you get the torrent file from the official site 2010-10-19T01:32:41 antimatroid: what did i do? 2010-10-19T01:33:01 anti: what kind of job in ai? I really don't know wha kind of jobs in ai there are. 2010-10-19T01:33:22 ooh... I want a job as an AI 2010-10-19T01:33:27 I think I would do a good job 2010-10-19T01:33:27 rwa: there are lots, just not that direct kind of things 2010-10-19T01:33:36 hahaha sigh 2010-10-19T01:33:40 i don't think you'll do stuff as complete as a gaclon bot 2010-10-19T01:33:40 research projects 2010-10-19T01:34:00 but there's stuff like character recognition, translators, chapcha solvers 2010-10-19T01:34:28 antimatroid: ? 2010-10-19T01:34:28 I do scientific computing 2010-10-19T01:35:00 which isn't too bad for a programming/computers geek 2010-10-19T01:35:04 amstan: you're an organiser, hence your fault 2010-10-19T01:35:10 :( 2010-10-19T01:35:29 contestbot: help 2010-10-19T01:35:29 amstan: (help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. 2010-10-19T01:35:35 contestbot: not that kind of help 2010-10-19T01:35:36 amstan: I'm sorry Dave, I cannot not. 2010-10-19T01:35:46 nah, i'd either do games ai research, or maybe go and do algorithmic trading or something 2010-10-19T01:35:53 my other prospects are phd in eco or maths 2010-10-19T01:36:01 contestbot: double negatives are a no-no 2010-10-19T01:36:02 sigh: User error, it's not my fault. 2010-10-19T01:36:24 algo trading is where the money is 2010-10-19T01:36:35 or writing a good poker bot... 2010-10-19T01:36:42 yeah, i couldn't do something just for money, but it seems like it'd be a lot like ai comps 2010-10-19T01:36:45 but for money 2010-10-19T01:36:55 eyp 2010-10-19T01:36:57 yep 2010-10-19T01:38:10 I know a couple guys in algo trading 2010-10-19T01:38:11 i still have a couple of years to work stuff like that out :) 2010-10-19T01:38:20 do they like it or hate it? 2010-10-19T01:38:52 it's a mixed bag. long, long hours. interesting work that's probably best for single folks. 2010-10-19T01:39:09 not good for a family man. 2010-10-19T01:39:25 *** smloh1 has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T01:39:29 i'm a sucker for work as long as it's fun :P 2010-10-19T01:40:05 major bank if you are successful. beyond anything possible in pretty much any other field. 2010-10-19T01:42:00 yeah, i could run off to the reserve bank of australia, but macroeconomics is bleh 2010-10-19T01:45:56 i changed the sorry dave command 2010-10-19T01:46:11 #echo [error] [error] [error] [error] 2010-10-19T01:46:12 You have no gotten any error messages recently, so here's a random one just to let you know that we care. User error -- Replace user. You have no gotten any error messages recently, so here's a random one just to let you know that we care. An error occured while trying to show the previous error. 2010-10-19T01:46:16 #echo [error] [error] [error] [error] 2010-10-19T01:46:17 You have no gotten any error messages recently, so here's a random one just to let you know that we care. Run as fast as you can and don't look back. User error, it's not my fault. No! 2010-10-19T01:46:20 aww 2010-10-19T01:46:22 #echo [error] [error] [error] [error] 2010-10-19T01:46:23 Run as fast as you can and don't look back. User error, it's not my fault. An error occured while trying to show the previous error. User error -- Replace user. 2010-10-19T01:46:24 !rainbow rainbows are awesome 2010-10-19T01:46:24 antimatroid: rainbows are awesome 2010-10-19T01:46:27 #echo [error] [error] [error] [error] 2010-10-19T01:46:28 No! You have no gotten any error messages recently, so here's a random one just to let you know that we care. Run as fast as you can and don't look back. User error, it's not my fault. 2010-10-19T01:46:34 i give up 2010-10-19T01:46:47 [01:45] amstan: I'm sorry Dave, err amstan; I cannot 'error'. 2010-10-19T01:47:15 *** Palmik has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T01:47:15 contestbot: error 2010-10-19T01:47:16 Zannick: You have no gotten any error messages recently, so here's a random one just to let you know that we care. 2010-10-19T01:48:02 *** tapwater has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2010-10-19T01:51:29 *** McLeopold has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T01:51:39 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o McLeopold 2010-10-19T01:55:36 *** tapwater has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T02:03:46 *** narnach has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T02:04:53 *** narnach has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2010-10-19T02:07:31 *** jaspervdj has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T02:10:26 Top 10 players: rsergio(4111), Hazard(4008), savchenko(3997), deepblue(3968), dmj111(3954), cfaftw(3950), DocBot(3895), sequoh(3893), Rexxar(3805), Manwe56(3797) 2010-10-19T02:17:54 *** smloh1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2010-10-19T02:18:39 *** hellman has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2010-10-19T02:23:02 *** greghaynes has quit IRC (Quit: Coyote finally caught me) 2010-10-19T02:27:07 *** Itkovian has quit IRC (Quit: Itkovian) 2010-10-19T02:31:31 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2010-10-19T02:40:08 *** rwa has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2010-10-19T02:46:09 *** McLeopold has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2010-10-19T02:55:31 *** jaspervdj has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) 2010-10-19T02:56:18 *** jaspervdj has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T02:56:41 *** jhawthorn has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) 2010-10-19T03:08:36 *** hellman has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T03:10:26 Top 10 players: rsergio(4090), Hazard(3986), savchenko(3973), deepblue(3947), cfaftw(3929), dmj111(3929), DocBot(3874), sequoh(3871), Rexxar(3782), Manwe56(3776) 2010-10-19T03:26:16 *** perror has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T03:33:13 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T03:39:31 *** hellman has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2010-10-19T03:46:23 *** jesionaj has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2010-10-19T03:53:31 *** Olathe has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2010-10-19T03:54:01 *** smloh1 has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T03:56:31 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2010-10-19T03:57:31 *** smhanov__ has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T04:00:19 *** smhanov_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2010-10-19T04:10:27 Top 10 players: rsergio(4097), Hazard(4018), savchenko(3996), dmj111(3979), deepblue(3955), cfaftw(3937), DocBot(3884), sequoh(3871), oldman(3807), Rexxar(3788) 2010-10-19T04:24:37 *** vizier has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T04:27:40 *** Naktibalda has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T04:28:18 *** narnach has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T04:42:00 *** tapwater has quit IRC (Quit: tapwater) 2010-10-19T04:46:48 *** p4p4 has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T04:59:45 *** amstan has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2010-10-19T05:01:25 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T05:04:57 *** Florian95 has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T05:10:28 Top 10 players: dmj111(4015), rsergio(4006), Hazard(3994), savchenko(3979), deepblue(3936), cfaftw(3911), DocBot(3876), sequoh(3813), oldman(3781), Manwe56(3763) 2010-10-19T05:20:41 *** yasith has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2010-10-19T05:29:47 *** vizier has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2010-10-19T05:33:35 *** yasith has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T05:39:09 any news about server issue? 2010-10-19T05:41:02 "out of money" error? :) 2010-10-19T05:41:14 *** wvdschel has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T05:42:07 *** hellman has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T05:42:27 *** wvdschel has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2010-10-19T05:42:49 *** wvdschel has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T05:49:07 *** Titankiller has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2010-10-19T05:49:48 *** Arthur has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T05:49:54 *** Arthur_ has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2010-10-19T05:49:54 *** lovebot has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2010-10-19T05:49:54 *** smellyhippy has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2010-10-19T05:49:54 *** area has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2010-10-19T05:49:57 *** lovebot_ has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T05:50:34 *** area has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T05:56:15 *** smellyhippy has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T05:56:15 *** smellyhippy has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T05:57:40 *** hellman has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2010-10-19T05:59:19 *** boegel has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T06:01:10 *** boegel has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2010-10-19T06:10:29 Top 10 players: dmj111(4004), rsergio(3993), Hazard(3980), savchenko(3966), deepblue(3923), cfaftw(3891), DocBot(3864), sequoh(3800), oldman(3772), Manwe56(3749) 2010-10-19T06:20:07 *** Olathe has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T06:30:48 I lowered the timeout to 0.9s and my bot still forfeits games on the official server 2010-10-19T06:31:15 Scraped the game state from the visualizer too and it runs fine locally :-( 2010-10-19T06:39:23 i had that problem at one point 2010-10-19T06:39:25 *** HakanD has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T06:39:32 i never found out what was causing it though 2010-10-19T06:39:45 i just did a big clean up of my code and the problem got fixed in there somewhere 2010-10-19T06:46:58 *** codefun has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T06:47:08 Hello! 2010-10-19T06:47:49 *talks to himself* So how are you this fine morning? Good, yourself? Not too bad. That's good. 2010-10-19T06:48:21 *** krokkrok has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T06:48:26 Hi! 2010-10-19T06:48:36 hello 2010-10-19T06:48:37 bye 2010-10-19T06:48:43 Bye 2010-10-19T06:50:31 it was easy to make ones bot minimise the number of turns till it won with the payoff function 2010-10-19T06:50:35 that's a lot harder this time 2010-10-19T06:50:46 for tron**** 2010-10-19T06:51:08 I've never done tron... thought if I knew about the contest I would've entered. 2010-10-19T06:51:15 It looks like an interesting project. 2010-10-19T06:51:23 it was pretty cool 2010-10-19T06:51:27 much simpler 2010-10-19T06:51:42 Meh then it can't have been THAT cool ;) 2010-10-19T06:52:08 just because something is easier doesn't necessarily make it less fun or interesting 2010-10-19T06:52:22 I know it was just a joke. 2010-10-19T06:52:24 you had more options open to you to try 2010-10-19T06:52:33 although minimax reined 2010-10-19T06:54:05 Odd... 2010-10-19T06:54:11 I have an embarassing perl problem. 2010-10-19T06:54:30 Apparently it doesn't like me using variables in "if" statements, anymore.... 2010-10-19T06:55:01 c++ lets me do almost everything (doesn't have operator precedence overloading ffs) 2010-10-19T06:55:21 Hmm, nice 2010-10-19T06:55:39 I WAS using C# until I heard about the glitches, and realized perl would be way easier for most tasks. 2010-10-19T06:56:24 oh BAH I found the problem 2010-10-19T06:56:47 Strict and warnings. My least favorite modules, prevented my bot from running :D 2010-10-19T06:59:03 i have a language question of my own for someone, is it better to pass and return a reference or return an object/vector of objects? 2010-10-19T06:59:24 i'm trying to clean things up to see how far I can actually generate my tree 2010-10-19T06:59:27 atm it's not very far 2010-10-19T07:00:56 Not sure, to be honest I'm a perl guy and hate object oriented programming, mostly... 2010-10-19T07:10:28 Top 10 players: dmj111(3993), rsergio(3984), Hazard(3972), savchenko(3957), deepblue(3912), cfaftw(3881), DocBot(3855), sequoh(3794), oldman(3764), Rexxar(3732) 2010-10-19T07:10:54 go dmj111! 2010-10-19T07:11:14 well actually, go me, but seeing as how I'm not entered with a real bot yet... 2010-10-19T07:12:05 my current bot is crappy, i'm working on a different tree variation 2010-10-19T07:12:41 *** vizier has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T07:12:50 wow my bot used up so much memory it's actually lagging my laptop 2010-10-19T07:12:54 Epic fail 2010-10-19T07:17:34 *** codefun has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2010-10-19T07:23:52 antimatroid: i always hate creating an empty object just to have a reference to use. But, if you return a new object, you have to make sure you are not copying a new one. So.... it comes down to which one looks cleaner :/ 2010-10-19T07:33:06 dmj111: yeah it's annoying, i've gone with passing in a reference, just in case it makes any performance difference 2010-10-19T07:33:17 *** Sarin has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T07:33:24 i have a really bad bottleneck somewhere, i think it's me calculating information too often though 2010-10-19T07:33:53 i'm doing less than 100 "moves" a turn, which is rather small 2010-10-19T07:34:00 i would like to do at least a few thousand 2010-10-19T07:34:24 is there anything being done on the server capacity? :/ 2010-10-19T07:34:48 i'm getting 2 games per day or something 2010-10-19T07:35:00 Error323: it'll get fixed at some point 2010-10-19T07:35:10 i don't even pay attention to games on the official site 2010-10-19T07:35:36 only the tcp? 2010-10-19T07:35:46 yeah, it's where i can test and update 2010-10-19T07:35:59 rather than upload, wait 5 hours, make change, upload, wait 25 hours, etc. 2010-10-19T07:38:17 yea 2010-10-19T07:38:29 http://ai-contest.com/game_stats.php -,- 2010-10-19T07:46:16 dmj111: dare I ask, do you use sth beyond heuristics? 2010-10-19T07:46:38 Error323: you may dare, and I don't really. 2010-10-19T07:47:14 since I cannot predict what the opponent can do, I do things they cannot stop. 2010-10-19T07:47:30 I also do some things that open my position up in a bad way too :( 2010-10-19T07:48:40 I am trying something new, which will go a little further than I have been doing, but it is still not searching a game tree. 2010-10-19T07:48:47 but it sucks at the moment. 2010-10-19T07:49:37 antimatroid: another advantage of python -- anything I do is likely to be slower than C++, so I can pick what looks best. 2010-10-19T07:50:08 cool 2010-10-19T07:50:22 I implemented alphabeta in an old approach 2010-10-19T07:50:45 but its not that effective, I need very very well defined action 2010-10-19T07:50:48 actions* 2010-10-19T07:51:00 which is quite a hassle hehe 2010-10-19T07:51:08 so i got back to heuristics aswell 2010-10-19T07:58:23 *** espes has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2010-10-19T07:59:06 *** espes has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T08:00:47 with a sad face 2010-10-19T08:01:04 of wasting a week of effort >_< 2010-10-19T08:06:24 Error323: i did a minimax bot but it doesn't work very well 2010-10-19T08:06:37 i'm currently trying to set up a different approach to selecting moves using a tree 2010-10-19T08:07:04 it's too hard to sample a decent number of moves i find 2010-10-19T08:07:27 yep 2010-10-19T08:07:28 although i think with some effort it might work 2010-10-19T08:07:30 of good moves 2010-10-19T08:10:30 Top 10 players: rsergio(3993), dmj111(3986), deepblue(3918), savchenko(3904), DocBot(3873), cfaftw(3865), sequoh(3801), oldman(3758), Rexxar(3740), Manwe56(3722) 2010-10-19T08:13:44 hazard resubmitted again. 2010-10-19T08:15:01 I wish the old submissions were still used by bayeselo, but still separate from the user's new submission. I think that would make the ratings more stable. 2010-10-19T08:16:06 Plus, it would be neat to see how your different submissions rated against each other, although that may be a bit to confusing to show on the web page. 2010-10-19T08:16:50 last time it had a graph on users pages showing their ranking over time 2010-10-19T08:16:52 that was cool 2010-10-19T08:16:54 *** phreeza has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T08:16:59 it also had country leaderboards etc. 2010-10-19T08:18:18 Ahh, I remember the ranking thing. They eventually took that down, didn't they? 2010-10-19T08:21:06 yep 2010-10-19T08:21:10 might have been costing them too much 2010-10-19T08:24:10 moaaaaaaar servers 2010-10-19T08:24:16 *** smloh1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2010-10-19T08:24:38 *** Appleman1234 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2010-10-19T08:24:40 *** Blkt has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T08:24:49 btw antimatroid why did you do minimax, alpha beta is a massive improvement over it and not difficult 2010-10-19T08:24:52 ? 2010-10-19T08:25:14 could anyone link me the compile script used by the server? 2010-10-19T08:29:40 sorry , no idea 2010-10-19T08:30:03 np :) 2010-10-19T08:30:29 *** gerald512k has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T08:37:31 *** boegel has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T08:43:39 Error323: i would have gone onto do that if it was working well 2010-10-19T08:44:10 i have a different approach now 2010-10-19T08:44:16 still using a tree though 2010-10-19T08:44:28 going to take a few more hours at least to get it up and running though 2010-10-19T08:47:49 i was wondering yesterday about one thing. It would have been a great idea that the problem of finding the best algorithm in planetwars would be the same that a problem of finding an algorythm in an other domain, like trading for example :) so our work could be usefull for other purposes 2010-10-19T08:48:14 maybe it is already the case? :) 2010-10-19T08:58:25 ha, i no longer even get a consistent result when running my tree bot against another one on the same map with same starting positions 2010-10-19T09:00:32 heh i had that exact same problem ^_^ 2010-10-19T09:02:00 *** Sylph has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T09:02:50 *** HakanD has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2010-10-19T09:06:25 *** HakanD has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T09:07:09 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T09:08:19 *** delt0r___ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2010-10-19T09:10:30 Top 10 players: rsergio(3992), dmj111(3986), deepblue(3918), savchenko(3905), DocBot(3872), cfaftw(3865), sequoh(3801), oldman(3759), Rexxar(3740), Manwe56(3722) 2010-10-19T09:16:05 morning folks 2010-10-19T09:20:53 morning 2010-10-19T09:22:19 evening 2010-10-19T09:23:32 how goes it 2010-10-19T09:24:18 my latest upload seems to be doing decenly on the official servers, though rank gain is so slow:-\ 2010-10-19T09:28:06 is a bot allowed to write junk to stderr? 2010-10-19T09:29:48 "It silently absorbs your stderr stream" 2010-10-19T09:32:12 afaik: you can't write anything, anywhere in the file system 2010-10-19T09:32:51 yep, i just debug to a file 2010-10-19T09:35:58 mega1: enable logging on your system to stderr, when uploading to server just disable the logs 2010-10-19T09:36:11 the java viewer/c++ viewer both capture your log stream 2010-10-19T09:36:20 the spec says that "It silently absorbs your stderr stream" 2010-10-19T09:36:25 so it should be fine. 2010-10-19T09:36:35 it might be, but disabling is better 2010-10-19T09:36:39 since logging costs cpu 2010-10-19T09:36:48 and since you can't really get the logs 2010-10-19T09:36:51 might as well disable it 2010-10-19T09:36:51 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2010-10-19T09:37:13 if you have sufficient logging you will be burning cpu cylces uselessly 2010-10-19T09:39:18 *** Rafaesp has joined #aichallenge 2010-10-19T09:39:30 hi 2010-10-19T09:39:38 anybody tells me hot to use tcp server? 2010-10-19T09:39:47 i have already compiled it 2010-10-19T09:39:55 how to* 2010-10-19T09:40:31 ./tcp 72.44.46.68 995 malazan0.6 ./malazanbot.py 2010-10-19T09:40:36 roughly 2010-10-19T09:40:43