2010-11-05T00:00:06  <amstan> but there could be spots where it's 6,18
2010-11-05T00:00:08  <McLeopold> you've got 2 errors, just to make sure we are seeing it the same
2010-11-05T00:00:17  <amstan> yeah.. it's the first one on the left
2010-11-05T00:00:55  <McLeopold> looks like a 7 9
2010-11-05T00:01:17  <amstan> yeah
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2010-11-05T00:01:38  <amstan> that's a weird error, lol
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2010-11-05T00:04:14  <McLeopold> I just had to sign up for another 24 hrs of hotel ip access. :(
2010-11-05T00:04:34  <amstan> hotel? hmm
2010-11-05T00:04:50  <McLeopold> so, it looked like a 7 9
2010-11-05T00:05:04  <amstan> yeah
2010-11-05T00:05:17  <McLeopold> if the numbers represent the corners of the cubes
2010-11-05T00:05:21  <amstan> so the fix is obvious, make the 7 an 8
2010-11-05T00:05:30  <McLeopold> yeah, visually
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2010-11-05T00:05:42  <McLeopold> so are all my bot's mistakes. :)
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2010-11-05T00:06:17  <amstan> lol
2010-11-05T00:06:52  <McLeopold> I supose you could find the lines where the number cross the boundaries, like a topo map.
2010-11-05T00:07:00  <McLeopold> Then start healing along those lines?
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2010-11-05T00:09:11  <McLeopold> you might end up creating a node graph of the broken points
2010-11-05T00:09:44  <McLeopold> or, at least you could find sections that don't need fixes
2010-11-05T00:09:48  <McLeopold> and everything else does
2010-11-05T00:10:18  <amstan> well.. checking if it's good or not is simple
2010-11-05T00:10:48  <McLeopold> yes, just look at the 8 points around it?
2010-11-05T00:11:11  <McLeopold> but then the question will be, up or down?
2010-11-05T00:11:22  <amstan> can be either, up is good
2010-11-05T00:11:24  <amstan> lol
2010-11-05T00:11:46  <McLeopold> and if it spans more than one cube, you would have to expand to more points to get it to work
2010-11-05T00:12:07  <McLeopold> e.g.: 1,2,19,20
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2010-11-05T00:12:18  <McLeopold> -> 1,8,16,20
2010-11-05T00:12:46  <amstan> i'm thinking something that just goes one way, so you'll have some problems if you want symmetrical heightmaps
2010-11-05T00:12:51  <McLeopold> 1,2,27,28 -> 1,8,16,24?
2010-11-05T00:12:59  <amstan> if it finds an error, decrease the second point till it doesn't error
2010-11-05T00:13:36  <amstan> but that only works uphill.. hmm
2010-11-05T00:14:08  <McLeopold> change the lower of the 2 number being compared?
2010-11-05T00:14:44  <amstan> does this have to be recursive?
2010-11-05T00:14:46  <McLeopold> it seems like you have to raise the lower step up, so always find the number to increase
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2010-11-05T00:16:07  <McLeopold> can you draw a picture where lowering a number is the solution?
2010-11-05T00:16:30  <McLeopold> oh, wait, I see it now
2010-11-05T00:16:52  <amstan> McLeopold: in that screenshot, 5th cube. delete that top part, lower the edge, then lower the edge of the 6th cube
2010-11-05T00:17:05  <McLeopold> yeah, it just saw it in my mind
2010-11-05T00:17:56  <amstan> so.. in the game, when a player has to do this manually, he can adjust the corner of all the 6 faces of each cube, so it's slightly easier
2010-11-05T00:18:18  <McLeopold> you lost me
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2010-11-05T00:18:24  <amstan> nvm, forget that
2010-11-05T00:18:59  <McLeopold> so, for 2 invalid numbers, make the smallest adjustment
2010-11-05T00:19:19  <McLeopold> 6,9 -> 6,8 ... 7,10 -> 8,10
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2010-11-05T00:19:41  <McLeopold> I'm assuming that would look the best
2010-11-05T00:19:48  <amstan> it would, yeah
2010-11-05T00:20:24  <McLeopold> after deciding the number to adjust, check the 8 points around it to see if it would cause more issues
2010-11-05T00:20:36  <McLeopold> if so, try adjusting the other number with the same check
2010-11-05T00:21:15  <amstan> ok, that seems like it would work
2010-11-05T00:21:25  <amstan> i just have to make sure it's fast now
2010-11-05T00:21:27  <McLeopold> I would probably try recursive
2010-11-05T00:21:41  <McLeopold> because your breaks will look like fault lines
2010-11-05T00:21:50  <McLeopold> and you can follow them that way
2010-11-05T00:22:33  <McLeopold> or maintain a matrix of visited and fixed points and a current location
2010-11-05T00:22:55  <McLeopold> hopefully toward the end of the run, you are just proving everything is correct and it gets faster
2010-11-05T00:23:01  <amstan> you think i'll get infinite loops?
2010-11-05T00:23:23  <McLeopold> if you mark visited points, you'll know
2010-11-05T00:23:25  <amstan> might happen if i keep adjusting for the smallest
2010-11-05T00:23:34  <amstan> ok, i see
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2010-11-05T00:24:29  <McLeopold> numbers crossing multiple cube boundaries might be an issues
2010-11-05T00:24:46  <McLeopold> but then, maybe a cliff would look good anyway
2010-11-05T00:24:54  <amstan> it won't..
2010-11-05T00:24:59  <amstan> because it's all cubes
2010-11-05T00:25:09  <amstan> let me get a screenshot of what happens now
2010-11-05T00:26:43  <McLeopold> I was gonna fix my bot, but now...
2010-11-05T00:26:55  <amstan> sorry, lol
2010-11-05T00:27:00  <amstan> i do have my answer i think
2010-11-05T00:27:18  <janzert> anyone with php or maybe http experience around that has an idea why api_get_submission.php will only send a partial tar file for some bots?
2010-11-05T00:27:25  <janzert> code can be seen at http://code.google.com/p/ai-contest/source/browse/trunk/planet_wars/www/api_get_submission.php
2010-11-05T00:28:59  <McLeopold> janzert: do you have a submission that is reproducable?
2010-11-05T00:29:10  <McLeopold> that get's chopped every time?
2010-11-05T00:29:31  <janzert> yes, any submission that get's chopped seems to get chopped every time
2010-11-05T00:29:42  <janzert> I'm assuming it is some binary sequence causing it
2010-11-05T00:29:50  <McLeopold> well, that's good.  Does it affect mega1, :)
2010-11-05T00:30:00  <janzert> even though all the documentation I find says that it should be binary safe
2010-11-05T00:30:03  <janzert> hehe, nope
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2010-11-05T00:31:07  <janzert> I'm considering just having it try gzip, then bzip, then compress until it finds one a submission will transfer in :/
2010-11-05T00:31:29  <janzert> but that seems like quite an ugly workaround
2010-11-05T00:31:54  <McLeopold> is this getting from the user, or pushing to the sandbox for a match?
2010-11-05T00:32:17  <janzert> transfering to a worker instance for a match
2010-11-05T00:33:31  <sigh> janzert: is there a content-length header? maybe having one will help
2010-11-05T00:34:07  <janzert> I don't think so since it's streaming the content straight from the tar command
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2010-11-05T00:34:25  <janzert> it doesn't seem to be a particular size that it is cutting off at
2010-11-05T00:34:37  <sigh> hmm... ok
2010-11-05T00:34:59  <McLeopold> is it hanging and just not finishing?
2010-11-05T00:35:11  <McLeopold> or does continue with an incomplete file?
2010-11-05T00:35:13  <janzert> just receives a truncated file
2010-11-05T00:35:26  <janzert> yep, continues with the incomplete file
2010-11-05T00:35:42  <janzert> I added a check so at least it will throw an error now
2010-11-05T00:36:11  <McLeopold> safe mode?
2010-11-05T00:36:19  <janzert> I've heard of something similiar before with transparent proxies causing this sort of problem
2010-11-05T00:36:41  <janzert> but I wouldn't think there should be any of those between the main server and amazon Ec2 instances
2010-11-05T00:37:33  <McLeopold> exit code 0?
2010-11-05T00:38:04  <janzert> yeah, I haven't investigated the exit code yet
2010-11-05T00:38:17  <janzert> I do know running the exact command manually works fine
2010-11-05T00:38:47  <janzert> but maybe something about the environment when running under php is effecting it
2010-11-05T00:40:41  <McLeopold> good luck
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2010-11-05T00:42:33  <janzert> thanks :}
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2010-11-05T00:45:05  <janzert> agh, I think I just found it
2010-11-05T00:45:46  <janzert> looks like some of the file permissions are incorrect for some bot files such that the www server user can't read them
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2010-11-05T01:15:06  <contestbot> Top 10 players: bocsimacko(4252), george(4024), shangas(4012), dmj111(4004), jimrogerz(3992), Accoun(3958), felixcoto(3940), asavis(3911), Xrillo(3907), Hazard(3905)
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2010-11-05T01:29:33  <[CsT]Emi> I want botsicmacko source code
2010-11-05T01:29:37  <[CsT]Emi> anyone has that ?
2010-11-05T01:29:44  <[CsT]Emi> i am willing to pay 2$
2010-11-05T01:34:18  <[CsT]Emi> on all seriousness... he really impress me
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2010-11-05T01:50:39  <bhasker_> won't we all like to have mega1's source code
2010-11-05T01:52:35  * janzert feels so privileged to have seen the filenames, maybe a few more weeks I'll be worthy to see the actual code :P
2010-11-05T01:55:42  <janzert> although I'd probably just go "eww, parentheses"
2010-11-05T01:55:46  <raedwulf> xD
2010-11-05T01:56:03  <raedwulf> what lectures do i have today
2010-11-05T01:56:05  * raedwulf checks
2010-11-05T01:56:35  <raedwulf> ah good i finish 1.15pm, in that case that means lots of bot-time
2010-11-05T01:56:37  <raedwulf> :D
2010-11-05T01:57:04  <janzert> :)
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2010-11-05T02:44:15  <janzert> If there are any Scala users around, it's now enabled on the servers
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2010-11-05T03:40:22  <sigh> good morning!
2010-11-05T03:42:06  <antimatroid1> liar!
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2010-11-05T03:42:23  <antimatroid1> it's a decent evening though
2010-11-05T03:42:28  <sigh> :P
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2010-11-05T05:34:15  <antimatroid1> http://www.ai-contest.com/profile.php?user_id=8565 quite a few loses there
2010-11-05T05:34:54  <sigh> shangas seems to have a good record against him
2010-11-05T05:36:31  <antimatroid1> compared to any other history page it's still trumping anybody by 100 miles
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2010-11-05T05:39:46  <rabidus> woah, shangas is from finland :o
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2010-11-05T06:46:49  <Error323> bhasker_: did you break it again?
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2010-11-05T07:44:31  <Error323> amstan: servers are down
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2010-11-05T08:42:07  <bhasker_> it seems to be doing fine
2010-11-05T08:45:37  <p4p4> hi, does the number of turns count in the rating on tcp ?
2010-11-05T08:46:40  <antimatroid1> no
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2010-11-05T08:48:22  <p4p4> ok, thanks, i currently just give up, when i'm back  -1000, and was just thinkig, others might hate me for that, if it scores for the opponent.
2010-11-05T08:55:15  <bhasker_> antimatroid your bot isnt up on tcp?
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2010-11-05T08:59:07  <bhasker_> antimatroid around?
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2010-11-05T09:15:10  <contestbot> Top 10 players: bocsimacko(4248), shangas(4115), bix0r4ever(4112), george(4042), dmj111(4031), Hazard(3999), felixcoto(3991), jimrogerz(3990), Accoun(3980), Xrillo(3948)
2010-11-05T09:15:11  <yesplus> Is there a visualiser showing turn number similar to the one at the webpages?
2010-11-05T09:16:30  <antimatroid1> bhasker: i am, but i have an analysis exam in just under 13 hours
2010-11-05T09:16:43  <antimatroid1> i'm relearning about metric, normed and inner product spaces
2010-11-05T09:18:25  <antimatroid1> yesplus: i use this http://ai-contest.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=751
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2010-11-05T09:19:08  <yesplus> antimatroid1: thanks very much
2010-11-05T09:19:28  <antimatroid1> np
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2010-11-05T09:27:48  <bhasker_> ah all the best for your exam antimatroid
2010-11-05T09:29:24  <bhasker_> hey antimatroid how are you calculating minimum ships you should send to a neutral to hold it
2010-11-05T09:29:37  <bhasker_> i have some heuristics but i don't think its correct
2010-11-05T09:34:24  <antimatroid1> i'm not doing that well, that's part of the reason i've removed any "finish time" for a move
2010-11-05T09:34:42  <antimatroid1> i am going to "fight for a planet" into the future, and only consider it a move if i intend to be able to hold it into the future
2010-11-05T09:34:47  <antimatroid1> i haven't fixed all that up yet
2010-11-05T09:35:01  <antimatroid1> i have more exams monday and tuesday, then i'll be working on my bot pretty much nonstop till the end
2010-11-05T09:35:12  <antimatroid1> anyway, i'm off to bed, night
2010-11-05T09:36:49  <bhasker_> l8rs
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2010-11-05T10:15:12  <contestbot> Top 10 players: bocsimacko(4234), shangas(4128), bix0r4ever(4064), george(4060), dmj111(4042), felixcoto(4012), Hazard(4006), Accoun(4000), jimrogerz(3982), Xrillo(3976)
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2010-11-05T10:48:52  <Error323> wraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah its not wroking >_<
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2010-11-05T10:54:30  <Error323> yet
2010-11-05T10:55:28  <JamesMG> it's starting to take forever for me to see if a change is good or not
2010-11-05T10:56:00  <Error323> yeah that sux
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2010-11-05T10:59:46  <demerzel_> i am coming to the same brick wall i always do after the state is mostly debugged and tested and i've implemented some kind of pure maximin
2010-11-05T10:59:53  <demerzel_> i need to buy a game theory book or something
2010-11-05T11:03:23  <aerique> demerzel_: welcome to the club, i'm having trouble making significant improvements on a bot i submitted October 8th :(
2010-11-05T11:03:46  <demerzel_> i have a lot better understanding of game theory at least
2010-11-05T11:03:57  <demerzel_> i just can't wrap my brain around rnd(100) deciding my moves
2010-11-05T11:04:12  <raedwulf> magic numbers ftw!
2010-11-05T11:04:15  <demerzel_> goes against my nature
2010-11-05T11:04:30  <Error323> demerzel_: mmm?
2010-11-05T11:04:39  <Error323> rnd(100)?
2010-11-05T11:04:46  <demerzel_> Error323: referring to the probabilities
2010-11-05T11:04:51  <Error323> ah
2010-11-05T11:05:31  <demerzel_> also while i understand the concept of a payoff matrix i am having difficulty thinking of anything other than score to use as a metric
2010-11-05T11:05:46  <demerzel_> at least that doesn't have undesired consequences
2010-11-05T11:06:28  <Error323> bhasker_: looking good so far:)
2010-11-05T11:07:41  <Error323> demerzel_: mmm i didn't look into that area at alll
2010-11-05T11:07:54  <demerzel_> Error323: what area?  payoff matrices?
2010-11-05T11:07:59  <demerzel_> i find that hard to believe lol
2010-11-05T11:08:14  <demerzel_> you must have some damn good heuristics
2010-11-05T11:08:17  <Error323> wrt this game
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2010-11-05T11:15:13  <contestbot> Top 10 players: bocsimacko(4247), shangas(4148), bix0r4ever(4075), george(4069), dmj111(4058), felixcoto(4017), Accoun(4009), Xrillo(4002), Hazard(3996), jimrogerz(3979)
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2010-11-05T11:22:38  <JamesMG> demerzel_: where I got stopped with my payoff matrix was finding a way to represent distance in the payoff
2010-11-05T11:22:49  <JamesMG> without making it even mroe dumb than it currently is
2010-11-05T11:23:21  <demerzel_> well my brain says 'well if it's closer it will be higher score cuz we get there quicker' but it doesn't actually work that way usually
2010-11-05T11:23:33  <JamesMG> right
2010-11-05T11:23:52  <JamesMG> I also mean in relation to ships being closer to the enemy
2010-11-05T11:23:58  <JamesMG> and between the enemy and backline planets
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2010-11-05T11:36:18  <JamesMG> I think today for the first time I have a positive ELO on the TCP server
2010-11-05T11:37:20  <demerzel_> gj
2010-11-05T11:37:24  <demerzel_> it's a really tough testing ground
2010-11-05T11:37:50  <demerzel_> i remember my old bots which were pretty primitive comparatively could hold their own more or less now they get slaughtered every time
2010-11-05T11:38:25  <JamesMG> Yeah, my original bot sits close to -300ELO on there if I run it
2010-11-05T11:38:55  <JamesMG> or it did a week ago, probably closer to -400 now
2010-11-05T11:39:04  <demerzel_> haha i have been testing locally it's embarrasing
2010-11-05T11:41:44  <JamesMG> just run your bot as bocsimacko, confuse everybody
2010-11-05T11:42:21  <demerzel_> i thought about that actually haha
2010-11-05T11:42:24  <demerzel_> decided it was too mean
2010-11-05T11:42:31  <demerzel_> omg i beat mega!  wait why is he so shitty
2010-11-05T11:42:44  <raedwulf> tcp server?
2010-11-05T11:42:46  <raedwulf> or real?
2010-11-05T11:43:10  <demerzel_> raedwulf: i was responding to James ;)  it will be some time before i ever have a chance
2010-11-05T11:43:12  <demerzel_> if ever ;)
2010-11-05T11:43:25  <raedwulf> xD
2010-11-05T11:43:29  <JamesMG> I wish we could get opponent names during the game
2010-11-05T11:43:39  <demerzel_> ?
2010-11-05T11:43:44  <demerzel_> you get it at the beginning
2010-11-05T11:43:48  <JamesMG> do you?
2010-11-05T11:43:52  <demerzel_> yea
2010-11-05T11:43:57  <demerzel_> 3rd INFO line
2010-11-05T11:44:08  <demerzel_> you are starting gameid = 2342343 opponent: JamesMG.old
2010-11-05T11:44:45  <JamesMG> does the live server do that too?
2010-11-05T11:44:57  <demerzel_> how would it do that
2010-11-05T11:45:02  <demerzel_> you don't know when you're starting a game
2010-11-05T11:45:19  <JamesMG> yeah I want my code to know when it's playing mega1
2010-11-05T11:45:25  <Naktibalda> you wish
2010-11-05T11:45:26  <JamesMG> so it can roll over and die or something
2010-11-05T11:45:34  <demerzel_> it will do that anyway
2010-11-05T11:45:35  <demerzel_> ;)
2010-11-05T11:45:41  <Naktibalda> it's forbidden by rules
2010-11-05T11:46:02  <JamesMG> oh well
2010-11-05T11:46:07  <demerzel_> i don't think there's any way to actually determine the opponent name during game
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2010-11-05T11:46:18  <demerzel_> you know but the bot doesn't unless you pipe it to it in tcp
2010-11-05T11:46:24  <demerzel_> and you woudln't know on main server since there's no info to you
2010-11-05T11:46:37  <demerzel_> the rule is somewhat pointless
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2010-11-05T11:47:48  <demerzel_> hey does anyone know how gcc wants source files organized
2010-11-05T11:47:56  <demerzel_> can i have n# of files as long as they're all in root folder?
2010-11-05T11:48:12  <demerzel_> really gotta separate this crap
2010-11-05T11:48:38  <JamesMG> I think everything being in root folder should be fine
2010-11-05T11:48:50  <JamesMG> but I don't know what the compiler setup for c is on official
2010-11-05T11:49:22  <JamesMG> wow, antimatroid just shot up on TCP
2010-11-05T11:49:33  <demerzel_> i am trying to find the ansi-c standard but gcc doesn't necessarily follow it anyway
2010-11-05T11:57:16  <lavalamp_> yeah any number of cpp files in root folder
2010-11-05T11:58:40  <lavalamp_> janzert or amstan: have either of you noticed this thread? http://ai-contest.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1059&sid=6e0081db2e441eb1cf5f017b70fe7e61
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2010-11-05T12:05:04  <janzert> I added a comment lavalamp_ but basically I don't know what to do for it since it always works for me now
2010-11-05T12:05:34  <lavalamp_> janzert: ok just thought I'd make sure you were aware of it
2010-11-05T12:06:24  <janzert> my best guess actually is that some providers are blackholing them as spam
2010-11-05T12:15:14  <contestbot> Top 10 players: bocsimacko(4258), shangas(4155), george(4081), dmj111(4065), bix0r4ever(4037), felixcoto(4021), Accoun(4018), Xrillo(4003), Hazard(3993), jimrogerz(3988)
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2010-11-05T12:36:27  <demerzel_> raedwulf: are there any performance implications for a) multiple obj vs single or b) abstracting functions to n level
2010-11-05T12:36:36  <demerzel_> raedwulf: in C that is
2010-11-05T12:36:45  <janzert> heh, now I'm getting duplicate emails from the compile daemon
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2010-11-05T12:46:41  <Error323> )#*$&%*(#$% i'm going mental
2010-11-05T12:46:46  <Error323> rm -rf *
2010-11-05T12:46:49  <Error323> restart
2010-11-05T12:46:51  <Error323> >_<
2010-11-05T12:48:25  <JamesMG> you are sure to win then
2010-11-05T12:48:50  <Error323> extreme programming
2010-11-05T12:48:55  <Error323> =)
2010-11-05T12:50:06  <JamesMG> just code it so that if it loses, it rm MyBot.*
2010-11-05T12:50:11  <JamesMG> it'll learn to win.
2010-11-05T12:50:21  <Error323> lol
2010-11-05T12:54:20  <JamesMG> It is comforting to me that no matter what my bot does, Shampoo will always set it straight
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2010-11-05T13:08:33  <JamesMG> E323 17.0 just beat my latest code Error323
2010-11-05T13:11:40  * p4p4 does a little dance, because : http://72.44.46.68/canvas?game_id=870473
2010-11-05T13:12:45  <JamesMG> I don't understand your bot p4p4, it seems to take all mine apart too
2010-11-05T13:13:16  <p4p4> neither do i ..
2010-11-05T13:13:49  <Error323> lol
2010-11-05T13:15:13  <contestbot> Top 10 players: bocsimacko(4261), shangas(4155), george(4085), dmj111(4066), bix0r4ever(4045), felixcoto(4029), Accoun(4027), Xrillo(4006), jimrogerz(3995), FlameN(3986)
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2010-11-05T13:17:59  <bhasker> http://72.44.46.68/getplayer?player=p4p4.p4
2010-11-05T13:18:03  <bhasker> you are sending invalid commands?
2010-11-05T13:18:09  <bhasker> almost all the games end with an invalid command
2010-11-05T13:19:18  <p4p4> yes, if i'm  certain to loose. just to speed things up. tip my hat, say congrats, you win,  and off to a new game
2010-11-05T13:19:44  <bhasker> ah
2010-11-05T13:21:32  <p4p4> some bots won't even bother to beat your last measyly 5ship planet for ~120 turn remaining
2010-11-05T13:22:42  <p4p4> and you cant't win, being 1000 behind, can you ?
2010-11-05T13:23:38  <Error323> mm
2010-11-05T13:23:46  <Error323> how thoughtfull ;)
2010-11-05T13:24:09  <Error323> so you hardcoded that to when diff >= 1000 or sth?
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2010-11-05T13:24:42  <p4p4> and fleets on the way, and growthrate.
2010-11-05T13:25:18  <p4p4> wel, it's just for tcp, to get more games
2010-11-05T13:32:41  <JamesMG> wow I am on a killer losing streak
2010-11-05T13:37:04  <demerzel_> p4p4: nice ;)
2010-11-05T13:37:11  <demerzel_> i am too much of an optimisit i guess
2010-11-05T13:39:03  <bhasker> i never quit!
2010-11-05T13:39:04  <bhasker> lol
2010-11-05T13:39:12  <bhasker> my bot will not give up till the last ship is dead
2010-11-05T13:39:20  <bhasker> well actually till it loses the last planet
2010-11-05T13:39:38  <bhasker> once it loses the last planet its kinda over :-\
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2010-11-05T13:41:26  <demerzel_> i am busy chopping up my code
2010-11-05T13:41:31  <demerzel_> now that it all works it's time to break it
2010-11-05T13:42:01  <JamesMG> I fixed a couple bugs, now I'm gonna let it sit awhile and see where it's at
2010-11-05T13:43:13  <demerzel_> i can't believe i coded the entire thing in one c file hehe
2010-11-05T13:43:22  <demerzel_> was getting to be a bit of a pain
2010-11-05T13:43:26  <JamesMG> wow, I can imagine
2010-11-05T13:44:50  <bhasker> testingFromPiter always somehow manages to turn the damn game
2010-11-05T13:44:51  <Error323> O_O
2010-11-05T13:44:52  <bhasker> i would be level
2010-11-05T13:45:01  <bhasker> then i would suddenly lose
2010-11-05T13:45:02  <bhasker> annoying
2010-11-05T13:45:19  <JamesMG> his midgame code seems very good to me
2010-11-05T13:45:27  <JamesMG> I only win when I make a much better start
2010-11-05T13:47:57  <bhasker> yea
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2010-11-05T14:09:54  <cfaftw> i finally decided to try implementing minimax
2010-11-05T14:10:17  <cfaftw> we'll see how it goes... i still don't know quite how to implement it for this game, but yeah
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2010-11-05T14:15:13  <contestbot> Top 10 players: bocsimacko(4247), shangas(4131), george(4069), dmj111(4059), bix0r4ever(4033), felixcoto(4021), Accoun(4003), Xrillo(3994), Hazard(3980), jimrogerz(3977)
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2010-11-05T14:53:51  <JamesMG> bhasker: you should fix your timeouts, I feel like I finally had a chance :)
2010-11-05T14:54:35  <bhasker> i just added some code to track fleets in flight and account for them when calculating free ships
2010-11-05T14:54:42  <bhasker> but i think the code is buggy :-\
2010-11-05T14:56:50  <sic> then fix it ;D ;D
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2010-11-05T15:15:15  <contestbot> Top 10 players: bocsimacko(4247), shangas(4125), george(4079), dmj111(4076), bix0r4ever(4033), felixcoto(4022), Accoun(4015), Xrillo(4013), jimrogerz(3990), FlameN(3986)
2010-11-05T15:20:08  <demerzel_> yea then fix mine
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2010-11-05T15:30:19  * raedwulf needs to code >.<
2010-11-05T15:30:21  <raedwulf> but i feel tired
2010-11-05T15:30:38  <demerzel_> i'm busy sorting out all my code
2010-11-05T15:30:50  <demerzel_> quite a lot of it now lol
2010-11-05T15:33:51  <antimatroid1> yeah, i'm considering a full rewrite following tuesday
2010-11-05T15:34:00  <demerzel_> this is post-rewrite(#3)
2010-11-05T15:34:11  <demerzel_> i just made it all c-compliant so it was one giant .h and .c
2010-11-05T15:34:22  <antimatroid1> fuck that
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2010-11-05T15:34:42  <demerzel_> eh i'm a pretty compact coder it was under 500 lines
2010-11-05T15:34:53  <demerzel_> still got annoying tho once i started tweaking
2010-11-05T15:34:53  <antimatroid1> yeah, i have thousands
2010-11-05T15:35:05  <raedwulf> hehe, i know i need no rewrite
2010-11-05T15:35:07  <demerzel_> wow
2010-11-05T15:35:09  <demerzel_> what lang
2010-11-05T15:35:09  <raedwulf> just need rules
2010-11-05T15:35:21  <antimatroid1> c++
2010-11-05T15:35:27  <demerzel_> damn
2010-11-05T15:35:31  <demerzel_> that's gonna be hell to refactor
2010-11-05T15:35:37  <antimatroid1> i have quite a few different ideas there though, not all of which are being used at once
2010-11-05T15:35:39  <raedwulf> 1536 lines(sloccount), C
2010-11-05T15:35:42  <cfaftw> i *might* go to C from python now that i'm trying to do minimax
2010-11-05T15:35:56  <antimatroid1> *now* you're trying to do it? :P
2010-11-05T15:35:59  <demerzel_> what why would you do that lol
2010-11-05T15:36:26  <demerzel_> i might go from *super fast byte code lang* to *slowest lang out there* now that i'm doing *heavy calculations*
2010-11-05T15:36:56  <raedwulf> my code is nice, im happy with it
2010-11-05T15:37:14  <raedwulf> :D, its got a RPN calculator embedded xD
2010-11-05T15:37:21  <raedwulf> sorry PN* calculator
2010-11-05T15:37:30  <demerzel_> my heaviest code calcs all metrics for mine and enemy planets including fleet poss and future states and it's 150lines with a comment line on each func and newlines for every { and }
2010-11-05T15:38:11  <demerzel_> although my minimal 'what move should i make' is already only 2 lines behind it lol
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2010-11-05T15:39:00  <demerzel_> reverse polish calc?  what for?
2010-11-05T15:40:02  <raedwulf> i generate equations
2010-11-05T15:40:31  <demerzel_> is standard notation not good enough? lol
2010-11-05T15:40:37  <raedwulf> :P
2010-11-05T15:40:37  <demerzel_> seems like that would introduce new problems
2010-11-05T15:40:45  <raedwulf> maybe
2010-11-05T15:40:49  <raedwulf> i've not tested my code enough
2010-11-05T15:40:51  <raedwulf> lol
2010-11-05T15:40:52  <demerzel_> doesn't it go from center out too and not follow operator precedence
2010-11-05T15:40:56  <demerzel_> unary ops
2010-11-05T15:41:10  <raedwulf> oh i have that bit working
2010-11-05T15:41:15  <demerzel_> you're crazy
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2010-11-05T15:41:16  <raedwulf> no problems there
2010-11-05T15:41:24  <raedwulf> yea other people have said the same thing
2010-11-05T15:41:26  <raedwulf> lol
2010-11-05T15:41:27  <demerzel_> better off making massive bitflag fields or somethiung
2010-11-05T15:41:44  <demerzel_> seems like an unnecessary timesink to me and i'm with you on most of your craziness lol
2010-11-05T15:41:45  <raedwulf> wouldn't work with what im doing
2010-11-05T15:42:15  <raedwulf> i don't think anyway
2010-11-05T15:42:18  <raedwulf> it might :P
2010-11-05T15:42:47  <raedwulf> ok lemme jsut get it working first
2010-11-05T15:42:49  <raedwulf> lol
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2010-11-05T15:46:17  <antimatroid1> look out, bocsomacko has a new bot up
2010-11-05T15:46:23  <antimatroid1> anyway, time to go to uni, exam groan
2010-11-05T15:46:38  <demerzel_> damn mega1
2010-11-05T15:46:39  <raedwulf> :( good luck antimatroid1 !
2010-11-05T15:46:51  <Error323> gl
2010-11-05T15:47:35  <antimatroid1> i always find a new way to spell bocsimacko wrong :)
2010-11-05T15:47:50  <cfaftw> demerzel_, what lang are you using?
2010-11-05T15:48:01  <demerzel_> was c++ but now c89 C
2010-11-05T15:48:14  <demerzel_> my bot on the main site is C# lol
2010-11-05T15:48:27  <raedwulf> im was using c89 then i got bloody annoyed with declaring c at the start of blocks, so i went c99
2010-11-05T15:48:29  <raedwulf> :P
2010-11-05T15:48:42  <cfaftw> what "slowest lang out there" where you referring to?
2010-11-05T15:48:45  <raedwulf> vars* at the start of blocks
2010-11-05T15:48:46  <demerzel_> well c99 by gcc is a little weird
2010-11-05T15:48:50  <demerzel_> cfaftw: python
2010-11-05T15:49:12  <raedwulf> demerzel_: yea well its not exactly c99 pure, because that won't be compiled by the server without -std=c99 being passed :P
2010-11-05T15:49:34  <demerzel_> so you are coding with the knowledge that it won't compile right?
2010-11-05T15:49:43  <raedwulf> not its c99 compatible
2010-11-05T15:49:52  <raedwulf> but not c89 strict
2010-11-05T15:50:02  <raedwulf> its just compatible with gnu89 and c99
2010-11-05T15:50:05  <raedwulf> the middle ground
2010-11-05T15:50:32  <raedwulf> a.k.a. whatever gcc supports by default
2010-11-05T15:51:24  <demerzel_> raedwulf: what do you mean declaring c
2010-11-05T15:51:33  <raedwulf> i mean declaring variables*
2010-11-05T15:51:34  <demerzel_> you mean having to declare vars at the start of funcs?
2010-11-05T15:51:36  <raedwulf> yea
2010-11-05T15:51:42  <demerzel_> oh i actually like that it makes me think about it
2010-11-05T15:51:53  <raedwulf> thats not necessary in gnu89, but is necessary if you're strick ansi c 89
2010-11-05T15:51:57  <raedwulf> strict*
2010-11-05T15:52:04  <demerzel_> c89 is about as close to a natural language for the way my brain works as i've ever found ;)
2010-11-05T15:52:09  <raedwulf> hehe
2010-11-05T15:52:24  <demerzel_> or plays to my strengths at least
2010-11-05T15:52:28  <raedwulf> e.g. the msvc compiler won't like inline variable declarations
2010-11-05T15:52:30  <raedwulf> hehe
2010-11-05T15:52:32  <raedwulf> ah neat
2010-11-05T15:52:34  <Error323> holy crap
2010-11-05T15:52:39  <amstan> demerzel_: that's pretty bad lol
2010-11-05T15:52:43  <raedwulf> well i can show you my code after the contest, its pretty neat
2010-11-05T15:52:43  <demerzel_> why?
2010-11-05T15:52:49  <Error323> just had thai food that is HOOOOT
2010-11-05T15:53:00  <raedwulf> not necessarily going to work, mind
2010-11-05T15:53:01  <cfaftw> thai food is supposed to be hot
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2010-11-05T15:53:10  <Error323> yeah
2010-11-05T15:53:15  <Error323> but this is insane ^^
2010-11-05T15:53:15  <demerzel_> amstan: i don't like languages that force me to use their 'easier way' i like languages that i can choose to use it or not
2010-11-05T15:53:20  <cfaftw> hottest food i ever ate was thai, actually
2010-11-05T15:53:22  <raedwulf> meh, Error323 you weakling
2010-11-05T15:53:30  <raedwulf> you are all weaklings :/
2010-11-05T15:53:34  <raedwulf> :P
2010-11-05T15:53:35  <Error323> lol
2010-11-05T15:53:36  <cfaftw> >:o
2010-11-05T15:53:48  * raedwulf lived in south east asia for 18 years of his life
2010-11-05T15:54:02  * raedwulf understands hot :)
2010-11-05T15:54:08  <Error323> hah i bet
2010-11-05T15:54:20  <Error323> well i'm dutch, we don't know hot
2010-11-05T15:54:23  <cfaftw> which i don't get
2010-11-05T15:54:31  <cfaftw> why do spicy foods originate from places where the temperature is hot
2010-11-05T15:54:49  <demerzel_> they don't mind sweating while eating i guess
2010-11-05T15:54:50  <Error323> thats where the spices are grown?
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2010-11-05T15:55:16  <raedwulf> yea, they need the climate to grow
2010-11-05T15:55:34  <raedwulf> i think its because they need more acidic soil or something
2010-11-05T15:55:36  <Error323> cfaftw: could you put your bot on tcp? :)
2010-11-05T15:55:36  <raedwulf> im not a farmer
2010-11-05T15:55:37  <cfaftw> well yeah i understand that... just you would think they would prefer foods that made them comfortable
2010-11-05T15:56:06  <raedwulf> cfaftw: no, spicy hot food is nice
2010-11-05T15:56:08  <Error323> mm well I guess its just about getting used to it
2010-11-05T15:56:15  <Error323> and then its nice indd
2010-11-05T15:56:21  <raedwulf> tbh, most asians don't understand cheese
2010-11-05T15:56:32  <cfaftw> error323, can't... about to leave work. plus... it is not worth playing against
2010-11-05T15:56:54  <Error323> mmm ok
2010-11-05T15:56:57  <Error323> pitty
2010-11-05T15:56:57  <raedwulf> milk is not often used either
2010-11-05T15:57:12  <raedwulf> but it depends on the region
2010-11-05T15:57:47  <raedwulf> but im different, im eurasian, so i have a habit of liking both food :)
2010-11-05T15:57:58  <cfaftw> demerzel_, i'm impressed by how few lines you claim writing in C... it really must be an extension of your natural language
2010-11-05T15:58:14  <raedwulf> hehe
2010-11-05T15:58:16  <demerzel_> i have always preferred working with arrays etc
2010-11-05T15:58:20  <demerzel_> i have no problem adjusting to it
2010-11-05T15:58:33  <raedwulf> C? its simple
2010-11-05T15:58:44  <raedwulf> but then this comes from a person who learnt assembly language before C :P
2010-11-05T15:58:54  <raedwulf> just to be different
2010-11-05T15:58:57  <Error323> how old are you? :P
2010-11-05T15:59:02  <raedwulf> 23
2010-11-05T15:59:07  <raedwulf> almost*
2010-11-05T15:59:21  <Error323> how old is everybody for that matter
2010-11-05T15:59:23  <raedwulf> less than a month to my birthday hehe :P
2010-11-05T15:59:23  <Error323> i see
2010-11-05T15:59:24  <cfaftw> haha... well i should probably redo my bot in C anyway just for the sake of using C again
2010-11-05T15:59:32  <Error323> lol
2010-11-05T15:59:38  <demerzel_> C is soothing to me
2010-11-05T15:59:45  <demerzel_> i have zero problems finding shit
2010-11-05T15:59:45  <raedwulf> ^^
2010-11-05T15:59:56  <demerzel_> if something goes wrong i know exactly why and where
2010-11-05T15:59:57  <raedwulf> yea, C's language is much simpler
2010-11-05T16:00:01  <cfaftw> true
2010-11-05T16:00:05  <Error323> i like my maps, vectors and algorithm libs
2010-11-05T16:00:19  <demerzel_> i was trying to do it the C++ "way"
2010-11-05T16:00:29  <demerzel_> but got too annoyed with scope issues and references etc
2010-11-05T16:00:40  <cfaftw> oh man... i'm almost sold about doing this in C
2010-11-05T16:00:54  <demerzel_> haha
2010-11-05T16:00:56  <raedwulf> C++ is nice, but tbh it could do with a make-over
2010-11-05T16:00:57  <Error323> cfaftw: why?
2010-11-05T16:00:59  <demerzel_> i don't understand the hate for it
2010-11-05T16:01:10  <cfaftw> Error323, because he's reminding me why i loved it
2010-11-05T16:01:13  <demerzel_> c++ could be nice but as it is now it's just extra shit mashed into c
2010-11-05T16:01:18  <demerzel_> i'd rather use C# than c++
2010-11-05T16:01:19  <raedwulf> exactly
2010-11-05T16:01:31  <raedwulf> actually i would like to use vala
2010-11-05T16:01:35  <raedwulf> for the extra perf :P
2010-11-05T16:01:43  <demerzel_> should code it in asm
2010-11-05T16:01:45  <demerzel_> haha
2010-11-05T16:01:50  <raedwulf> you can :)
2010-11-05T16:01:55  <raedwulf> inline assembly
2010-11-05T16:01:56  <demerzel_> i don't know asm
2010-11-05T16:02:09  <demerzel_> i am pretty close i guess but never needed to
2010-11-05T16:02:10  <cfaftw> i *especially* don't know inline assembly
2010-11-05T16:02:17  <raedwulf> but then you have to assume that the servers are running x86 or x86_64
2010-11-05T16:02:25  <demerzel_> yup
2010-11-05T16:02:30  <raedwulf> and write different paths for boths
2010-11-05T16:02:31  <demerzel_> that's why i'm not messing with bitmasks either
2010-11-05T16:02:32  <raedwulf> both*
2010-11-05T16:02:53  <raedwulf> bitmasks are ok
2010-11-05T16:02:59  <raedwulf> because we know the compiler at least
2010-11-05T16:03:15  <raedwulf> gcc will behave mostly the same on different platforms
2010-11-05T16:03:17  <demerzel_> i like c - it's exactly the level of abstraction you need to avoid the implementation details without stripping away the power to do whatever you want
2010-11-05T16:03:31  <Error323> 41 \o/
2010-11-05T16:03:34  <raedwulf> its unlikely they're running powerpcs, just to spite our endianness
2010-11-05T16:03:36  <Error323> and climbing :p
2010-11-05T16:04:03  <JamesMG> when I resubmitted my bugfixes it played me against someone in 2000th place
2010-11-05T16:04:10  <JamesMG> now I'm having to fight through everyone
2010-11-05T16:04:14  <demerzel_> did you lose
2010-11-05T16:04:14  <raedwulf> lol
2010-11-05T16:04:15  <demerzel_> was it me
2010-11-05T16:04:17  <Error323> yeah same here
2010-11-05T16:04:22  <demerzel_> oh i'm only down to 400 haha
2010-11-05T16:04:22  <JamesMG> no, I won at least
2010-11-05T16:04:35  <demerzel_> my month old C# bot
2010-11-05T16:04:42  <demerzel_> it's too bad it has a glaring bug it might have gone higher
2010-11-05T16:04:55  <JamesMG> I'm guessing my current bot up there will sit around 250-350
2010-11-05T16:05:08  <JamesMG> once it finishes climbing from where it is now
2010-11-05T16:05:28  <cfaftw> my month old crappy python bot is like 70 now... i still can't believe that it was ever in the top 10
2010-11-05T16:05:38  <Error323> imo you need about a 1000 games to get a good estimate
2010-11-05T16:06:00  <JamesMG> I've never had enough games without crashes to know what my officials ranks will be though
2010-11-05T16:06:09  <Error323> cfaftw: yeah i remember you were there, damn did the rest just got that much better?
2010-11-05T16:06:14  <cfaftw> i literally would laugh every time i saw it in the top 10
2010-11-05T16:06:31  <cfaftw> Error323, definitely
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2010-11-05T16:07:08  <Error323> well i'm gonna make a massive amount of coffee
2010-11-05T16:07:24  <cfaftw> crap, i gotta go... my bot wont' appear again until i get minimax working, hopefully in C to boot
2010-11-05T16:07:27  <Error323> and fix the bug that has been a freaking @)($*%)#($*%#$%
2010-11-05T16:07:41  <Error323> cfaftw: hf with that :)
2010-11-05T16:07:46  <cfaftw> lates
2010-11-05T16:07:52  <demerzel_> cya
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2010-11-05T16:09:55  <demerzel_> oh wow c99 lets you inline declare struct props
2010-11-05T16:09:56  <demerzel_> that's nice
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2010-11-05T16:11:42  <raedwulf> demerzel_: yep
2010-11-05T16:11:52  <raedwulf> but remember you need to check if they work with gnu89
2010-11-05T16:11:58  <raedwulf> because thats what gcc uses by default
2010-11-05T16:12:05  <demerzel_> oh i'm c89 for sure but it's a nice thought
2010-11-05T16:12:16  <raedwulf> not even gnu89 lol? :P
2010-11-05T16:12:48  <demerzel_> iirc even though you can't do like structA = { .intA = 9 } like in c99 you can still structA = { 0,0,9} in c89
2010-11-05T16:12:56  <raedwulf> yea
2010-11-05T16:13:03  <demerzel_> that's good enough
2010-11-05T16:15:15  <contestbot> Top 10 players: bocsimacko(4257), shangas(4143), george(4084), dmj111(4077), Xrillo(4041), felixcoto(4017), Accoun(4001), Hazard(4000), jimrogerz(3983), FlameN(3979)
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2010-11-05T16:39:30  <demerzel_> damn that took forever lol
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2010-11-05T17:15:17  <contestbot> Top 10 players: bocsimacko(4254), shangas(4142), george(4090), dmj111(4072), Xrillo(4027), felixcoto(3997), Accoun(3993), jimrogerz(3991), Hazard(3981), FlameN(3950)
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2010-11-05T17:17:15  <JamesMG> 8 game losing streak on tcp now
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2010-11-05T17:26:56  <raedwulf> omg my bot actually works and beats ragebot first time :D
2010-11-05T17:26:59  <raedwulf> xD
2010-11-05T17:27:06  <raedwulf> and its hillarious how it plays
2010-11-05T17:27:08  <raedwulf> lmao
2010-11-05T17:27:56  <raedwulf> the offensive strategy sucks and everything about it sucks
2010-11-05T17:28:07  <raedwulf> but otherwise it works!
2010-11-05T17:28:10  <Error323> lol
2010-11-05T17:28:22  <raedwulf> lemme pastebin that game
2010-11-05T17:28:24  <raedwulf> its quite funny
2010-11-05T17:30:09  <raedwulf> where's that public game viewer?
2010-11-05T17:30:40  <Error323> http://visualizer.naktibalda.lt/
2010-11-05T17:31:38  <raedwulf> thanks Error323
2010-11-05T17:32:29  <raedwulf> http://www.visualizer.naktibalda.lt/520
2010-11-05T17:33:49  * Error323 is in the middle of a maaaaaaassive rewrite
2010-11-05T17:33:55  <raedwulf> :)
2010-11-05T17:33:55  <Error323> rm -rf sort of
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2010-11-05T17:33:59  <raedwulf> lmao
2010-11-05T17:34:24  <raedwulf> well, im impressed my makeshift attack actually beat rage bot without intending to
2010-11-05T17:34:28  <raedwulf> my code doesn't even attack enemy planets
2010-11-05T17:34:32  <raedwulf> it only attacks neutrals
2010-11-05T17:34:34  <raedwulf> lol
2010-11-05T17:34:53  <raedwulf> hmmm, might be  bug in my code... because i think it did attack a neutral
2010-11-05T17:34:56  <raedwulf> enemy*
2010-11-05T17:35:27  <Xanthor[aw]> hi. A beginner question : what is the name of the map file (in order to parse it) ?
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2010-11-05T17:35:51  <raedwulf> Xanthor[aw]: the map is passed through stdin
2010-11-05T17:36:04  <raedwulf> so you don't get to know the map file name
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2010-11-05T17:36:23  <Xanthor[aw]> I see
2010-11-05T17:36:33  <Xanthor[aw]> anyone using the PHP starter package ?
2010-11-05T17:36:50  <Xanthor[aw]> I don't see in the code where it parses the map
2010-11-05T17:37:28  <Xanthor[aw]> oh, nevermind. I got it
2010-11-05T17:38:07  <JamesMG> wow raedwulf, that's quite a pattern
2010-11-05T17:38:16  <raedwulf> yea i haven't a clue why it does that
2010-11-05T17:38:23  <raedwulf> it shouldn't have attacked the enmy planet
2010-11-05T17:38:26  <raedwulf> so its a bug :P
2010-11-05T17:38:39  <lavalamp_> raedwulf: looks like you have some work to do
2010-11-05T17:38:39  <raedwulf> but it was pretty
2010-11-05T17:38:52  <raedwulf> it was just some random code i stuck into offense
2010-11-05T17:39:20  <raedwulf> anyway, im going for marks with *prettiness*
2010-11-05T17:39:24  <raedwulf> xD
2010-11-05T17:40:19  <lavalamp_> I can't understand your neutral choice...
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2010-11-05T17:40:29  <lavalamp_> unless you've been studying my bot
2010-11-05T17:40:44  <raedwulf> errr
2010-11-05T17:40:47  <lavalamp_> but my bot at least takes the good planets before taking the crappy ones :)
2010-11-05T17:40:56  <raedwulf> its based off rand()
2010-11-05T17:40:58  <raedwulf> :)
2010-11-05T17:41:02  <lavalamp_> LOL
2010-11-05T17:41:10  <raedwulf> so yea, i haven't chosen anything atm for offense
2010-11-05T17:41:17  <raedwulf> thats why im surprised it won at all
2010-11-05T17:41:27  <raedwulf> its supposed to randomly select a neutral
2010-11-05T17:41:35  <raedwulf> but it attacked an enemy planet
2010-11-05T17:41:40  <raedwulf> i think i sent it the wrong index :P
2010-11-05T17:41:49  <raedwulf> oh i know why it did that
2010-11-05T17:41:55  <raedwulf> yea
2010-11-05T17:41:59  <raedwulf> its based off rand() :)
2010-11-05T17:42:02  <raedwulf> very much so
2010-11-05T17:42:03  <lavalamp_> I bet you only attack indices < 5
2010-11-05T17:42:15  <raedwulf> nope
2010-11-05T17:42:18  <lavalamp_> aw
2010-11-05T17:42:22  <raedwulf> its just a side effect
2010-11-05T17:42:42  <raedwulf> my bot is very non-deterministic :P
2010-11-05T17:43:35  <raedwulf> ok need to fix the formatting of my debugging functions
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2010-11-05T17:45:31  <Error323> O_O
2010-11-05T17:45:37  <Xanthor[aw]> I try to launch the tools (http://ai-contest.com/using_the_tools.php) to test examples bots, and I get a java error :
2010-11-05T17:45:38  <Error323> that's some really weird shit
2010-11-05T17:45:39  <Xanthor[aw]> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.ClassFormatError: Engine (unrecognized class file version)
2010-11-05T17:45:39  <Xanthor[aw]>    at java.lang.VMClassLoader.defineClass(libgcj.so.70)
2010-11-05T17:45:40  <Error323> raedwulf:
2010-11-05T17:45:51  <Xanthor[aw]> does anyone as an idea ?
2010-11-05T17:46:13  <raedwulf> Error323: :P
2010-11-05T17:46:48  <Error323> yeah, don't use java ^^
2010-11-05T17:46:55  <Error323> no, i'm sorry i don't
2010-11-05T17:48:57  <demerzel_> don't use java either
2010-11-05T17:49:07  <Xanthor[aw]> Error323 : sure, I'll be happy too. But how do you test locally then ?
2010-11-05T17:49:12  <Xanthor[aw]> are there other tools ?
2010-11-05T17:49:15  <demerzel_> that looks like a java install error tho
2010-11-05T17:49:25  <Error323> Xanthor[aw]: logfiles & tcp
2010-11-05T17:49:31  <demerzel_> thread main in java.lang.ClassFormatError is a base library
2010-11-05T17:49:45  <demerzel_> ie part of the jre install
2010-11-05T17:50:08  <demerzel_> i could be totally wrong tho lol
2010-11-05T17:50:36  <demerzel_> could be it doesn't like hte precompiled version of the class - in which case you can try to javac the source
2010-11-05T17:53:55  <Frontier> Xanthor[aw]: Do you mix class files generated by different Java Runtime?
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2010-11-05T17:54:22  <Xanthor[aw]> Frontier : no
2010-11-05T17:54:31  <Frontier> Like Sun JDK and BlackDown JDK or something... hmm
2010-11-05T17:54:35  <Xanthor[aw]> just unzip them from the starter package
2010-11-05T17:55:02  <Frontier> so what command did you run?
2010-11-05T17:55:19  <Xanthor[aw]> java -jar tools/PlayGame.jar maps/map7.txt 1000 1000 log.txt "java -jar example_bots/RandomBot.jar" "java -jar example_bots/DualBot.jar" | java -jar tools/ShowGame.jar
2010-11-05T17:55:53  <Frontier> ok... slowly... does "java -jar tools/ShowGame.jar" print the same error message?
2010-11-05T17:56:27  <Xanthor[aw]> yes : both
2010-11-05T17:56:41  <Xanthor[aw]> both "java -jar ..." command have the same stack
2010-11-05T17:57:26  <sigh> Xanthor[aw]: what version of java are you running?
2010-11-05T17:57:30  <demerzel_> here's your problem
2010-11-05T17:57:36  <Xanthor[aw]> java version "1.4.2"
2010-11-05T17:57:38  <demerzel_> [16:54] <Xanthor[aw]> just unzip them from the starter package
2010-11-05T17:57:41  <demerzel_> don't unzip them
2010-11-05T17:57:45  <demerzel_> leave them in the jar
2010-11-05T17:57:53  <sigh> Xanthor[aw]: yeah, I think that that's not new enough
2010-11-05T17:58:00  <sigh> I needed to use java 1.6
2010-11-05T17:58:04  <demerzel_> or do you still have the jar
2010-11-05T17:58:07  <Xanthor[aw]> no demerzel_ : I mean unziped from the Package.zip file !
2010-11-05T17:58:24  <demerzel_> oh ok i know winRAR associated itself to .jar for some reason
2010-11-05T17:58:26  <Xanthor[aw]> I see sigh. It's what I thought
2010-11-05T17:58:28  <demerzel_> and it is technically a zip ;)
2010-11-05T17:58:50  <demerzel_> sorry -- took me a little bit to understand java file structure
2010-11-05T17:59:12  <Xanthor[aw]> demerzel_ : "[..]libgcj.so[...]" <- I'm on GNU/Linux, no creepy winrar for me ;¬)
2010-11-05T17:59:14  <Frontier> Xanthor[aw]: What does "java -showversion" print?
2010-11-05T17:59:56  <Xanthor[aw]> Frontier : actually, an error. While java -version prints : java version "1.4.2" gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-20)
2010-11-05T18:00:11  <Frontier> Aha!
2010-11-05T18:00:36  <Xanthor[aw]> ok, so it's the version. Thanks for your help guys
2010-11-05T18:01:12  <Frontier> So obviously the starter package is compiled for Java 5 or 6 and your GNU Java Runtime only supports older versions
2010-11-05T18:03:39  <Xanthor[aw]> Error323 : any pointers to explain how use your 'tcp technic' ?
2010-11-05T18:04:26  <Frontier> very easy: download tcp.c from the forums, compile it with gcc and run it appending your bot command to the command line
2010-11-05T18:05:08  <Frontier> You will be matched against others running their bot on the tcp server at the same time or (ragebot if none are found, i think)
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2010-11-05T18:06:05  <Error323> what he said
2010-11-05T18:06:13  <Frontier> You can see the results on the server's web site. you can choose your name and password freely, some even have a dozen accounts for different versions of their bot
2010-11-05T18:06:21  <Error323> @tcp
2010-11-05T18:06:22  <contestbot> Error323: tcp = (#1) http://www.benzedrine.cx/planetwars/, or (#2) http://72.44.46.68/
2010-11-05T18:11:17  <Xanthor[aw]> ok thx
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2010-11-05T18:15:16  <contestbot> Top 10 players: bocsimacko(4232), shangas(4106), george(4081), dmj111(4072), Xrillo(4029), felixcoto(4016), Accoun(3982), Hazard(3956), FlameN(3945), jimrogerz(3937)
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2010-11-05T18:22:06  <demerzel_> @predict
2010-11-05T18:22:06  <contestbot> I predict that mceier will win!
2010-11-05T18:22:14  <mceier> lol
2010-11-05T18:22:43  <demerzel_> just like startling people haha
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2010-11-05T19:13:01  <bhasker> E323 http://72.44.46.68/canvas?game_id=873660
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2010-11-05T20:15:19  <contestbot> Top 10 players: bocsimacko(4215), shangas(4085), george(4049), dmj111(4032), Xrillo(4026), felixcoto(3989), Accoun(3972), Hazard(3944), FlameN(3941), Slin-.-(3936)
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2010-11-05T20:57:19  <demerzel_> ahaha i love c - was worried about replicating the entire gamestate for eval so looked at what size it is
2010-11-05T20:57:32  <demerzel_> 0.18k - don't think i'll have a prob
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2010-11-05T21:54:28  <Error323> IT'S ALIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE
2010-11-05T21:54:32  <Error323> FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUK YE
2010-11-05T21:56:40  <demerzel_> Error323: link?
2010-11-05T21:56:47  <demerzel_> you just refactored didn't you lol
2010-11-05T21:56:55  <Error323> yep
2010-11-05T21:56:59  <Error323> i did
2010-11-05T21:57:00  <Error323> :D
2010-11-05T21:57:04  <demerzel_> i am exhaustively testing my state before i touch tcp again
2010-11-05T21:57:08  <Error323> no, can't give yet :)
2010-11-05T21:57:14  <demerzel_> oh hehe
2010-11-05T21:57:18  <Error323> but omg this is gonna be awesome
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2010-11-05T21:57:30  <Error323> i'm gonna win :P
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