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2010-11-27T00:00:28  <janzert> not sure how frequently but yes it's trying to sync with the server time
2010-11-27T00:00:35  <janzert> that is probably what is failing
2010-11-27T00:01:18  <Zannick> i would have recommended just doing that once rather than hammer the server
2010-11-27T00:01:39  <janzert> it's using http://keith-wood.name/countdown.html
2010-11-27T00:02:16  <janzert> hopefully once it syncs once successfully it stops hammering, since I don't see that behavior
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2010-11-27T00:05:28  <Zannick> i'm reading the docs
2010-11-27T00:05:41  <Zannick> try using timezone or UTCDate?
2010-11-27T00:05:45  <Accoun> Submissions closing counter buggy for me
2010-11-27T00:05:52  <Accoun> 744 hours
2010-11-27T00:06:06  <Zannick> this means you hardcode the actual date in
2010-11-27T00:06:21  <antimatroid> it says no time left for me
2010-11-27T00:06:25  <Zannick> Accoun: what is the date on your computer?
2010-11-27T00:06:27  <janzert> working on it
2010-11-27T00:06:38  <janzert> the 744 hours was a mistake I uploaded just now
2010-11-27T00:06:38  <antimatroid> oh, time zones?
2010-11-27T00:06:48  <antimatroid> mine says 0 hours, 0 minutes and 0 seconds
2010-11-27T00:07:22  <burny> lol.. for me the numbers aren't aligned
2010-11-27T00:07:24  <Zannick> oh, it's working for me now
2010-11-27T00:07:33  <janzert> everyone try refreshing now
2010-11-27T00:07:39  <burny> and when the page was loading, they were jumbling around
2010-11-27T00:07:44  <antimatroid> <3
2010-11-27T00:07:44  <Zannick> though the font is getting messed up after less than a second
2010-11-27T00:07:56  <Zannick> good enough, though
2010-11-27T00:08:14  <antimatroid> wait, now it says 41 hours?
2010-11-27T00:08:29  <janzert> gah, really?
2010-11-27T00:08:29  <Zannick> but i don't think it's correct
2010-11-27T00:08:51  <antimatroid> yeah :\
2010-11-27T00:08:59  <Zannick> it's counting down to 8pm pst, which is 10pm cst
2010-11-27T00:09:23  * janzert considers just killing the javascript countdown and just leave the static time
2010-11-27T00:09:37  <janzert> people will just have to refresh to see the current time
2010-11-27T00:10:16  <burny> hm, this map doesn't have an obvious 'best' strat..
2010-11-27T00:10:16  <burny> http://ai-contest.com/visualizer.php?game_id=8760009
2010-11-27T00:10:20  <janzert> there
2010-11-27T00:10:36  <Accoun> how many hours for dead line?
2010-11-27T00:11:08  <burny> 24.9
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2010-11-27T00:11:34  <janzert> gah, even my server side code is calculating the wrong time
2010-11-27T00:11:35  <Zannick> 25.9 *
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2010-11-27T00:12:19  <janzert> ok, the whole thing goes away for the moment
2010-11-27T00:12:39  <janzert> should be 24 hours 45 minutes or there abouts
2010-11-27T00:13:37  <Zannick> oh, right
2010-11-27T00:14:13  <Zannick> i would think {until: new Date("Nove 27, 2010 23:59:00"), timezone: -6, format: "HMS"} would work
2010-11-27T00:14:23  <Zannick> and you don't need serverSync at all
2010-11-27T00:14:33  <Zannick> s/Nove/Nov/
2010-11-27T00:14:56  <janzert> Zannick: only as long as the client time is set correctly
2010-11-27T00:15:01  <janzert> and date
2010-11-27T00:15:03  <Zannick> that's what i meant before
2010-11-27T00:15:07  <Zannick> that is true
2010-11-27T00:15:22  <janzert> that's the reason for the serverSync
2010-11-27T00:15:24  <Zannick> right
2010-11-27T00:16:40  <Zannick> oh, even better, then
2010-11-27T00:16:56  <Zannick> use a php function like gettimeofday and calc the time remaining in the php
2010-11-27T00:17:05  <janzert> that's what I'm doing :)
2010-11-27T00:17:10  <Zannick> sweet :)
2010-11-27T00:17:26  <Zannick> i see you don't need me to say my advice out loud ;)
2010-11-27T00:17:29  <janzert> it was already in there
2010-11-27T00:17:56  <janzert> but was calculating something wrong, current suspicion is that number_format actually rounds to nearest instead of truncating like I need
2010-11-27T00:18:11  <janzert> or floor would work as well
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2010-11-27T00:19:44  <contestbot> Top 10 players: bocsimacko(3358), Slin-.-(3352), davidjliu(3305), murrayr(3304), dmj111(3295), Jimsbot(3262), bix0r4ever(3253), GreenTea(3252), _iouri_(3242), smloh1(3225)
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2010-11-27T00:24:16  <janzert> ok, I think the static part is working right as seen at http://ai-contest.com/new_index.php
2010-11-27T00:24:25  <janzert> now to get javascript going again
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2010-11-27T00:32:05  <janzert> Zannick: this shows NAN times for you? http://ai-contest.com/new_index.php
2010-11-27T00:32:18  <Zannick> yep
2010-11-27T00:33:09  <Zannick> you haven't changed the countdown argument, i think
2010-11-27T00:33:43  <Zannick> if you can paste the time in, you should be all right with just until: +(secs), format: "HMS"
2010-11-27T00:34:01  <janzert> yeah, I may go to that
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2010-11-27T00:44:33  <janzert> ok, how does this look http://ai-contest.com/new_index.php
2010-11-27T00:44:45  <janzert> should 24 hours 14 minutes
2010-11-27T00:44:55  <Snowplan> nice
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2010-11-27T00:48:22  <Zannick> working for me
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2010-11-27T00:51:56  <janzert> ok, trying it on the live site again. Hopefully it works for everyone this time
2010-11-27T00:52:08  <janzert> tested with all the browsers I have here
2010-11-27T00:53:11  <Zannick> again, thumb's up
2010-11-27T00:53:44  <burny> as far as I can tell, I shouldn't have won this game: http://ai-contest.com/visualizer.php?game_id=8762605
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2010-11-27T00:54:12  <janzert> why not?
2010-11-27T00:54:19  <janzert> you have more ships at the end
2010-11-27T00:54:52  <janzert> 52 + (23-16) more to be exact :)
2010-11-27T00:55:21  <janzert> heh, nevermind that
2010-11-27T00:55:22  <burny> my counting sugests that I should be behind by 8
2010-11-27T00:55:34  <janzert> I was looking at the wrong part of the game thought I was at the end, just a second
2010-11-27T00:56:24  <janzert> looks to me like you still are ahead by 2 at the end
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2010-11-27T00:57:01  <janzert> at the beginning of turn 200 you have 447 over 444 ships with one less growth
2010-11-27T00:57:16  <janzert> leaving you with 2 ships more than him after turn 200
2010-11-27T00:59:09  <Snowplan> I concur
2010-11-27T00:59:32  <burny> ahh..
2010-11-27T00:59:39  <burny> I miscounted on teh 59planet by 1turn
2010-11-27T00:59:55  <burny> and thought the 19planet was 3growth not 2
2010-11-27T01:01:10  <janzert> just curious, are you still without a browser that shows the javascript visualizer?
2010-11-27T01:01:21  <burny> no, I can see it now
2010-11-27T01:01:50  <janzert> ahh, good. I couldn't imagine trying to make progress without being able to view the games
2010-11-27T01:02:52  <burny> I'm about to give up on trying to progress anyway..
2010-11-27T01:03:33  <burny> can't think ofa non time consuming way to make it figure out if a planet is safe to attack, and where to send re-enforcements
2010-11-27T01:03:40  <Terr__> off-by-one errors are my persistent nightmare in this contest.
2010-11-27T01:04:02  <burny> ya, I'm surprised I haven't had any of those
2010-11-27T01:04:51  <Terr__> My mother has a funny anecdote about how I would verify plans (like if she said: "Next tuesday") by asking if she meant the-day-after-the-day-after-the-day-after-the-day-after-tomorrow.
2010-11-27T01:05:08  <Terr__> As far as I was concerned it eliminated ambiguity.
2010-11-27T01:05:24  <burny> I say "the one 5days from now" :P
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2010-11-27T01:14:51  <burny> wpic..
2010-11-27T01:14:52  <burny> http://ai-contest.com/visualizer.php?game_id=8765019
2010-11-27T01:18:17  <burny> best first move, is clearly all-in, on the 2
2010-11-27T01:19:44  <contestbot> Top 10 players: Jimsbot(3434), murrayr(3342), bocsimacko(3338), Slin-.-(3324), george(3296), GreenTea(3280), dmj111(3269), bix0r4ever(3259), Xayide(3234), wagstaff(3228)
2010-11-27T01:24:00  <Snowplan> shouldn't have gone after that 7
2010-11-27T01:25:53  <burny> shouldn't have gone after anything
2010-11-27T01:26:00  <Snowplan> lol
2010-11-27T01:26:29  <burny> except the 2
2010-11-27T01:26:58  <burny> first turn, anything besides sending 100 units at the 2, loses to sending 100units at the 2
2010-11-27T01:28:10  <janzert> unless they send 50 at your home?
2010-11-27T01:28:28  <burny> you can get 50 back to your base by tmime theirs gets there
2010-11-27T01:29:30  <janzert> ok, I thought it was a turn short
2010-11-27T01:29:43  <burny> 3, 3, and 6
2010-11-27T01:30:20  <burny> if it was 3,3,7.. then best strat is to send 35 instead of 100
2010-11-27T01:30:33  <burny> er, nm..
2010-11-27T01:30:36  <burny> is no best then
2010-11-27T01:30:44  <burny> then it'd be paper rock scissors
2010-11-27T01:30:57  * janzert nods
2010-11-27T01:30:58  <Snowplan> or attack form the outside
2010-11-27T01:31:21  <burny> if you attack any of the outside planets, and the opponent doesn't, you lose
2010-11-27T01:31:40  <burny> losing those 7 ships, allows opponent to secure the 2
2010-11-27T01:31:47  <burny> and then take your base
2010-11-27T01:32:32  <burny> takes 14 turns to capture the base I think(assuming you go for a 7, and nothing else)
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2010-11-27T01:35:27  <Snowplan> but grab the 2 11's loose your base then attack him maybe... I'm in the 2000's so I'm not gonna have the best advice
2010-11-27T01:36:25  <burny> the base costs less(0) than the 11's, and takes longer to capture
2010-11-27T01:36:44  <burny> er, the 11's take longer to capture I mean
2010-11-27T01:37:40  <Snowplan> right I see what you mean. best line through the 2
2010-11-27T01:39:07  <Snowplan> I say waste it all and go for the 97's
2010-11-27T01:40:04  * aizu high fives Snowplan 
2010-11-27T01:40:07  <aizu> I'm also in the 2000's
2010-11-27T01:40:46  <Snowplan> :) Hope I kick your ass
2010-11-27T01:40:55  <aizu> Oh, it's on ;)
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2010-11-27T01:43:05  <Snowplan> I'm more of a 3000 der then a 2000 der
2010-11-27T01:43:11  <Snowplan> but working on it
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2010-11-27T01:48:19  <sanddbox> hey, if all the sudden all my planets are turned neutral, does that mean i issued an invalid order?
2010-11-27T01:48:34  <burny> or crashed, or timed out, etc.
2010-11-27T01:49:07  <sanddbox> well, command prompt didn't say i crashed or timed out
2010-11-27T01:49:26  <Snowplan> it doesnt
2010-11-27T01:50:11  <Snowplan> I usually find its an issue order problem
2010-11-27T01:53:50  <sanddbox> but I'm checking for each invalid order condition before issuing the order
2010-11-27T01:55:13  <sanddbox> if (!source.equals(dest) && numShips <= source.NumShips() && this.MyPlanets().contains(source))
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2010-11-27T01:56:08  <sanddbox> anyone?
2010-11-27T01:56:24  <Snowplan> check if your planets are sending from and to
2010-11-27T01:56:27  <sanddbox> I've lost 5 games I should have won because of "sanddbox issued an invalid order.."
2010-11-27T01:56:33  <sanddbox> check what?
2010-11-27T01:56:45  <Snowplan> legitimate planets
2010-11-27T01:57:08  <sanddbox> well i check that source is contained in myplanets
2010-11-27T01:57:23  <sanddbox> alright i'll check that the destination planet is contained in planets
2010-11-27T01:57:31  <burny> do you try to send hte same 10ships to 2 different spots?
2010-11-27T01:57:49  <sanddbox> no
2010-11-27T01:57:56  <sanddbox> at least, i don't think so
2010-11-27T01:57:57  <Snowplan> try changing the values to 1
2010-11-27T01:58:17  <Snowplan> i tend to find problems that way
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2010-11-27T01:59:44  <McLeopold> @rankings
2010-11-27T01:59:46  <contestbot> McLeopold: Top 10 players: murrayr(3349), Jimsbot(3347), medrimonia(3346), bocsimacko(3343), Slin-.-(3317), george(3302), bix0r4ever(3274), dmj111(3249), Xayide(3220), GreenTea(3215)
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2010-11-27T02:01:36  <burny> is x-x xequal to exactly 0, for all valid float values of x?
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2010-11-27T02:02:13  <sanddbox> burny, where is x is what
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2010-11-27T02:02:30  <burny> float
2010-11-27T02:02:32  <janzert> burny: no, the easy one is x is NaN
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2010-11-27T02:02:43  <janzert> I'm not sure about others
2010-11-27T02:02:54  <burny> NaN isn't a 'valid' float? :P
2010-11-27T02:03:01  <janzert> although I think it might hold
2010-11-27T02:03:05  <janzert> sure it is :)
2010-11-27T02:03:31  <burny> what did you think I meant by the term valid then?
2010-11-27T02:03:50  <janzert> there are lots of bit patterns that don't a valid float make :P
2010-11-27T02:03:56  <janzert> but I'll give it to ya
2010-11-27T02:04:34  <sanddbox> burny, a bit confused
2010-11-27T02:04:38  <sanddbox> why would the float values matter
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2010-11-27T02:05:32  <burny> cause 1 - x*(1/x) isn't 0 when x=9
2010-11-27T02:06:36  <sanddbox> ...so?
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2010-11-27T02:06:39  <janzert> that's not 0 a lot of times
2010-11-27T02:06:47  <sanddbox> how is it relevant, though
2010-11-27T02:06:52  <burny> so.. if I check to see if it's equal to 0..
2010-11-27T02:07:00  <burny> I get the wrong value
2010-11-27T02:07:07  <sanddbox> no you don't
2010-11-27T02:07:19  <sanddbox> hmm
2010-11-27T02:07:22  <sanddbox> well, i guess you do
2010-11-27T02:07:31  <sanddbox> but how does that correspond to my program
2010-11-27T02:07:38  <burny> it doesn't?
2010-11-27T02:07:50  <sanddbox> ...oh, fuck
2010-11-27T02:07:53  <sanddbox> you were just asking a question
2010-11-27T02:07:54  <sanddbox> xD
2010-11-27T02:07:57  <burny> lol
2010-11-27T02:07:58  <burny> ya
2010-11-27T02:09:06  <janzert> hmm, just saw an article to help explain float behavior the other day but can't remember where now
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2010-11-27T02:10:18  <burny> I THINK x-x ==0, for all x
2010-11-27T02:10:22  <burny> but not certain
2010-11-27T02:10:40  <janzert> remember floats have +0 and -0 too :)
2010-11-27T02:10:51  <burny> +0 == -0
2010-11-27T02:10:53  <janzert> although it's usually hard to get at that
2010-11-27T02:11:02  <Snowplan> .
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2010-11-27T02:19:44  <contestbot> Top 10 players: Jimsbot(3346), medrimonia(3342), bocsimacko(3340), murrayr(3338), Slin-.-(3309), george(3300), bix0r4ever(3269), Raschi(3255), dmj111(3246), Xayide(3216)
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2010-11-27T02:22:30  <Snowplan> new maps for the tournament right?
2010-11-27T02:22:51  <janzert> yes
2010-11-27T02:27:28  <burny> are the new maps just whatever happens ot be random? or is there going to be extra criteria, like.. there isn't a single distinctly 'best' planets to attack on turn1?
2010-11-27T02:28:51  <Snowplan> lol
2010-11-27T02:29:12  <janzert> there is no further selection criteria than what the current map_generator does itself
2010-11-27T02:29:45  <burny> k
2010-11-27T02:29:50  <Snowplan> leak the maps
2010-11-27T02:30:02  <janzert> heh, I can't :)
2010-11-27T02:30:10  <burny> they already are leaked :P
2010-11-27T02:30:21  <janzert> since I won't even generate them till submissions close
2010-11-27T02:30:38  <burny> we have the generater source.. and we know when the contest is..
2010-11-27T02:30:48  <McLeopold> janzert: do you want the cluster analysis before generator or to make your decision?
2010-11-27T02:30:51  <burny> just reverse engineer the rng, and generat ethe same maps
2010-11-27T02:31:12  <janzert> yeah, but you gotta know the millisecond (possibly nanosecond) that I'm going to run it :P
2010-11-27T02:31:16  <McLeopold> Or do you think you'll even look at the quality of maps?
2010-11-27T02:31:36  <janzert> McLeopold: no, I'm just going to generate them and go
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2010-11-27T02:32:04  <janzert> what is generated is what will be used
2010-11-27T02:32:13  <janzert> so you all better start praying ;)
2010-11-27T02:32:30  <Snowplan> make em genuine
2010-11-27T02:32:34  <McLeopold> for this contest, that's fine...
2010-11-27T02:32:44  <Terr__> I'm already praying even without thinking ofmaps.
2010-11-27T02:32:45  <McLeopold> In the future, however, analysis would be better.
2010-11-27T02:32:56  <burny> I agree with leo on both points
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2010-11-27T02:33:33  <Terr__> DO: Keep the final maps secret, all map analysis should be during runtime.
2010-11-27T02:33:40  <burny> as long as there's a sufficient number of maps, the variety should be adequate
2010-11-27T02:33:41  <janzert> since we've gone through 155 maps without running into any that are a major problem
2010-11-27T02:33:53  <janzert> I'm expecting we'll be fine
2010-11-27T02:33:54  <Terr__> In terms of "analysis"
2010-11-27T02:33:58  <burny> major problem?
2010-11-27T02:34:01  <Terr__> That should be done in the map generator itself, IMO
2010-11-27T02:34:11  <McLeopold> janzert: I've run into major problems on my type. :)
2010-11-27T02:34:16  <Terr__> That way the conditions are publicly visible, but privately verified
2010-11-27T02:34:37  <McLeopold> Terr__: your right
2010-11-27T02:35:13  <McLeopold> You would need to write a tool that can analyze the maps by some metric, and then make sure they are evenly spaced.
2010-11-27T02:35:19  <Terr__> Perhaps for the next contest, there should be a specific period marked out in the timeline, a sort of "request for comments" regarding map layout
2010-11-27T02:36:02  <Terr__> McLeopold: I mean it should be part of the generation process, even if it's simply a "no, try generating again"-type of check
2010-11-27T02:36:04  <Snowplan> thought it was all linear
2010-11-27T02:36:09  <burny> janz, I've got a bunch of experience with what I call 'presentation level' ai, if you want to consult with me on stuff for the next contest..
2010-11-27T02:36:14  <McLeopold> What we need is insane scientists to create crazy boards and conditions so that no one can make any assumptions.
2010-11-27T02:36:23  <janzert> I think as long as it works out like it did during tron it should be fine, basically just the community needs to be encouraged to start trying out different maps early on
2010-11-27T02:36:30  <Terr__> McLeopold: Do you mean *deliberately* tricky situations?
2010-11-27T02:36:31  <McLeopold> Terr__: yes I agree
2010-11-27T02:36:39  <McLeopold> Yes
2010-11-27T02:36:39  <janzert> then that experience can be drawn back into the official contest
2010-11-27T02:36:42  <Terr__> Designed by man?
2010-11-27T02:36:53  <burny> eg. to determine how 'good' a map is, in terms of having a variety of potentially pheasible strategies
2010-11-27T02:36:55  <McLeopold> No, like what I generate on my crazy tcp server.
2010-11-27T02:36:58  <janzert> burny: I won't be around for the next one
2010-11-27T02:37:19  <McLeopold> burny: it wouldn't be a determination of "good", just "different" from the other maps
2010-11-27T02:37:22  <burny> how come?
2010-11-27T02:37:35  <janzert> burny: no time until next fall at least
2010-11-27T02:37:51  <Terr__> McLeopold: Your next mission, therefore, is to create an AI program which will classify and cluster maps based on features and determine which are underrepresented ;)
2010-11-27T02:37:58  <burny> leo, if you have 'different' huristics.. then you can ensure a certain overall range within those differences
2010-11-27T02:38:08  <janzert> besides after the 100s of hours on this one I'm not ready to do it again real soon
2010-11-27T02:38:08  <burny> as being on of the criteria for 'goodness'
2010-11-27T02:38:10  <McLeopold> Terr__: I'm halfway there...
2010-11-27T02:38:52  <Terr__> janzert: Is there an opinion in terms of "build upon PlanetWars" versus "Completely new game"?
2010-11-27T02:39:23  <janzert> I haven't heard any serious discussion of "build upon planetwars"
2010-11-27T02:39:24  <Snowplan> I already do
2010-11-27T02:39:39  <janzert> the history has always been "new game" so far
2010-11-27T02:39:53  <amstan> 3d tron
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2010-11-27T02:40:08  <Terr__> amstan: Does that really differ enough from 2D tron?
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2010-11-27T02:40:39  <Snowplan> quad tron
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2010-11-27T02:40:40  <amstan> you can do weird shapes
2010-11-27T02:40:41  <Terr__> Hm. I guess it would require lots of rewrites, atlaest
2010-11-27T02:40:42  <janzert> I'd like to see something other than a 2 player, simultaneous move, turn based game
2010-11-27T02:40:42  <burny> building on planet wars would give new people a significant disadvantage
2010-11-27T02:41:04  <amstan> janzert: yeah.. minecraft.. all multiplayer
2010-11-27T02:41:05  <McLeopold> sweet, I'm back in the top 100
2010-11-27T02:41:06  <amstan> one map..
2010-11-27T02:41:29  <amstan> that reminds me... i should make a new forum for game suggestions
2010-11-27T02:41:33  <Terr__> burny: You want to talk about disadvantages, let's talk about all the folks with no CS degrees or AI experience ;)
2010-11-27T02:41:55  <Terr__> "A crapsack problem?"
2010-11-27T02:42:05  <McLeopold> 3d pong!
2010-11-27T02:42:09  <janzert> amstan: yeah, now is probably the best point to gather them. Once the finals end most people will disappear
2010-11-27T02:42:31  <Terr__> McLeopold: Even if you added stuff like gravity and bouncing, I don't see how that would be too hard for AI
2010-11-27T02:42:44  <amstan> Terr__: that's why it's called  the "Google AI [Programming] Challenge"
2010-11-27T02:42:47  <McLeopold> more than 1 ball and obstacles
2010-11-27T02:43:04  <amstan> Terr__: it's just implied that it's programming
2010-11-27T02:43:05  <McLeopold> bounce ball around on your side, then overwelm the opponent.
2010-11-27T02:43:11  <Terr__> amstan: I'd have emphasized the [AI] rather than the [Programming]
2010-11-27T02:43:17  <Terr__> One's a lot more specialized
2010-11-27T02:43:38  <amstan> Terr__: [] is not emphasizing, it's a part of the sentence that was implied in the quote, but not included
2010-11-27T02:44:17  <McLeopold> Pick game like chess and make us only write the eval function.  Use a common alpha-beta engine with a preset depth.
2010-11-27T02:44:23  <Terr__> My feeling is that I sunk enough time into this that I feel like a lot will be "wasted" if there's no followup, 's all.
2010-11-27T02:44:37  <amstan> Terr__: that's the point..
2010-11-27T02:44:46  <McLeopold> Terr__: I will bring you the next planet wars contest... :)
2010-11-27T02:44:48  <janzert> while several people are around, anyone not seeing the countdown correctly on the home page?
2010-11-27T02:45:04  <Terr__> janzert: Works for me on Opera.
2010-11-27T02:45:09  <amstan> janzert: yes! countdown! ++
2010-11-27T02:45:16  <Terr__> ~22,13,46
2010-11-27T02:45:19  <McLeopold> it's a little slow
2010-11-27T02:45:42  <Terr__> amstan: I don't follow. Changing to a completely different game means most of the code goes out the window.
2010-11-27T02:45:49  <McLeopold> 22 hrs 13 min
2010-11-27T02:46:11  <amstan> Terr__: it wouldn't very exciting if we made a "google http browser challange"
2010-11-27T02:46:43  <janzert> At the tone the server time is 1:47
2010-11-27T02:46:57  <McLeopold> pm?
2010-11-27T02:46:58  <janzert> beep
2010-11-27T02:46:59  <Terr__> amstan: I'm confused. Do you think I'm advocating such a thing?
2010-11-27T02:47:08  <janzert> am
2010-11-27T02:47:19  <Terr__> janzert: Timer seems to match my prior assumption of 10pm Pacific Standard Time
2010-11-27T02:47:26  <Terr__> Given that it's 11:47pm here
2010-11-27T02:47:35  <amstan> Terr__: i'm just saying.. it would be hard to make an exciting contest with things that would be useful after... since useful things are usually required, so people have already thought about them
2010-11-27T02:47:48  <janzert> Terr__: yep
2010-11-27T02:48:20  <Terr__> amstan: Maybe it's just my ignorance of the "right ways" to solve PlanetWars, but it seems like there aren't so few that they've all been done to death.
2010-11-27T02:49:06  <amstan> Terr__: ok.. if so, then you will not do this in vain
2010-11-27T02:49:15  <burny> I still attest, that planet wars is a 'solvable' game, aside from the bluffing aspect
2010-11-27T02:49:16  <amstan> you'll learn stuff about algorithms
2010-11-27T02:49:29  <amstan> burny: i don't see you beating mega1
2010-11-27T02:49:34  <amstan> @rankings
2010-11-27T02:49:36  <contestbot> amstan: Top 10 players: medrimonia(3333), murrayr(3290), bocsimacko(3279), bix0r4ever(3276), Slin-.-(3258), Jimsbot(3253), dmj111(3248), GreenTea(3220), george(3210), asavis(3202)
2010-11-27T02:49:44  <amstan> burny: my mistake.. that other guy..
2010-11-27T02:50:14  <burny> I'm playing for fun, not to win
2010-11-27T02:50:34  <burny> there isn't much time left when I found out about it..
2010-11-27T02:50:37  <burny> and no prize..
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2010-11-27T02:50:43  <burny> so not worth spending much time on
2010-11-27T02:51:02  <amstan> burny: how do you know?
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2010-11-27T02:51:10  <burny> know what?
2010-11-27T02:51:17  <amstan> about prizes?
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2010-11-27T02:51:22  <amstan> there has been no statment about them
2010-11-27T02:51:34  <burny> no statement = no prizes
2010-11-27T02:51:57  <Zannick> Question: Are there any prizes?
2010-11-27T02:51:58  <Zannick> Answer: Maybe. We're working on that. There is of course the glory and bragging rights that come with doing well in the best programming contest ever made.
2010-11-27T02:52:03  <Zannick> from the faq
2010-11-27T02:52:11  <amstan> yeah.. it says maybe
2010-11-27T02:52:23  <amstan> also.. last year there weren't prizes either
2010-11-27T02:52:30  <burny> bragging rights are great the first few times you win things
2010-11-27T02:52:36  <amstan> but i heard that a1k0n got a pretty serious life turn after he won it
2010-11-27T02:52:46  <Snowplan> is genius not enough
2010-11-27T02:52:57  <burny> life turn?
2010-11-27T02:53:11  <amstan> apparently he moved, got countless job offers
2010-11-27T02:53:35  <burny> well, teh biggest factor really.. is time
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2010-11-27T02:53:55  <burny> with only a week.. risk vs reward. made it not worth spending my time
2010-11-27T02:54:05  <amstan> medrimonia: hey.. congrats for first
2010-11-27T02:54:08  <Snowplan> like the pen and the sword
2010-11-27T02:54:23  <McLeopold> janzert: can you confirm timeouts vs crashes vs invalid orders?
2010-11-27T02:54:36  <janzert> confirm in what way?
2010-11-27T02:54:50  <McLeopold> look at a game id a tell me which one happened?
2010-11-27T02:54:52  <janzert> I confirm there are differences
2010-11-27T02:55:01  <Terr__> Next time we need to be able to see the last X lines of output from a crashed/timeout'ed/invalid bot...
2010-11-27T02:55:12  <burny> amstan, if the next contest interests me, I'll most likely enter it
2010-11-27T02:55:13  <amstan> Terr__: can you add that to framework ideas?
2010-11-27T02:55:17  <janzert> no the extent of what is record is already displayed
2010-11-27T02:55:24  <janzert> there is no more information to look at
2010-11-27T02:55:27  <Terr__> I think it's already in a Google Code issue somewhere
2010-11-27T02:55:28  <Zannick> we have a lot of overhaul planned
2010-11-27T02:55:29  <burny> I've done a number of things LIKE this before
2010-11-27T02:55:57  <amstan> burny: you can always suggest new games for next contest
2010-11-27T02:56:15  <sanddbox> i like these rts-type games
2010-11-27T02:56:15  <Snowplan> checkers
2010-11-27T02:56:44  <burny> there's an infinite number of games..
2010-11-27T02:56:55  <Terr__> Nim. Yay.
2010-11-27T02:57:00  <burny> would need some constraints, before I thought about it much
2010-11-27T02:57:03  <janzert> we're going to break 1000 submissions in the past 24 hours soon
2010-11-27T02:58:30  <Terr__> janzert: Suggestion: Make an explicit SVN tag in the codebase at the end of the contest
2010-11-27T02:58:54  <Terr__> That way if someone wants to fork it or even use use it to fix a TCP server "that used to work" there's a solid baseline code-wise
2010-11-27T02:59:06  <Terr__> Just a bit easier than sleuthing through revision numbers
2010-11-27T03:00:12  <janzert> I'm not sure why it will be of interest but sure
2010-11-27T03:01:18  <amstan> Terr__: we're moving to git for the next one
2010-11-27T03:01:21  <amstan> so.. meh
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2010-11-27T03:01:28  * janzert expects this code to never be used again
2010-11-27T03:01:28  <amstan> svn will stay the same
2010-11-27T03:01:44  <amstan> yeah.. some parts might be used
2010-11-27T03:01:45  <amstan> but..
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2010-11-27T03:02:02  <amstan> maybe we can convert the repo to git
2010-11-27T03:02:06  <amstan> then delete everything
2010-11-27T03:02:11  <amstan> so there's a nice progression
2010-11-27T03:02:20  <amstan> s/everything/useless stuff being replaced/g
2010-11-27T03:03:08  <janzert> I'm hoping someone has the time to start from the ground up using a nice python framework for the next one
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2010-11-27T03:03:18  <Zannick> janzert: o/
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2010-11-27T03:03:29  <Zannick> i love starting from the ground up in python
2010-11-27T03:03:33  <Terr__> janzert: Does Python impose any issues in terms of performance and the GIL?
2010-11-27T03:03:43  <Snowplan> sounds like you
2010-11-27T03:03:46  <Terr__> I guess if everything has to be in a sandbox with separate processes anyway, it's not an issue
2010-11-27T03:03:57  <Terr__> But for, say, a TCP server...
2010-11-27T03:03:59  <janzert> Terr__: not that are a problem for this, no
2010-11-27T03:04:49  <Pihtashilo> hello everyone
2010-11-27T03:04:58  <medrimonia> amstan: Thanks, I was sleeping. I didn't hope to be first (even temporary)
2010-11-27T03:06:32  <Zannick> anyway, night
2010-11-27T03:07:10  <Pihtashilo> i've got a question, please help me
2010-11-27T03:07:29  <Snowplan> being a 2000+ fav bands I'm listening pandora Goldfinger
2010-11-27T03:08:49  <Pihtashilo> i'm using java and windows, how can i get the result of battle, if i run PlayGame-1.2.jar from console?
2010-11-27T03:09:08  <Pihtashilo> using "> 1.txt" doesn't help
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2010-11-27T03:10:13  <boegel> OH NOES!
2010-11-27T03:10:13  <Snowplan> compile
2010-11-27T03:10:17  <boegel> less than 24h to go
2010-11-27T03:12:48  <Pihtashilo> can anybody help me?
2010-11-27T03:14:49  <Terr__> Pihtashilo: Sorry, didn't use PlayGame.jar
2010-11-27T03:14:58  <Terr__> Pihtashilo: Anything on the forums?
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2010-11-27T03:15:56  <Pihtashilo> PlayGame is ok, it says Player 1 win, or something
2010-11-27T03:16:33  <Pihtashilo> the problem is that i can't write what it says to a file
2010-11-27T03:17:01  <CryBaby> Pihtashilo: Was 1.txt not created?
2010-11-27T03:17:14  <Pihtashilo> i use java -jar tools/PlayGame-1.2.jar maps/map7.txt 1000 1000 log.txt "java -cp b1 MyBot" "java -jar example_bots/DualBot.jar" > 1.txt
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2010-11-27T03:17:45  <CryBaby> so it must have created 1.txt, correct?
2010-11-27T03:18:26  <Pihtashilo> it was, but it contains a lot of numbers in game format, not log like "Turn 1 Turn 2 Player 1 wins!"
2010-11-27T03:19:46  <contestbot> Top 10 players: medrimonia(3389), Slin-.-(3296), Raschi(3292), bocsimacko(3291), bix0r4ever(3287), george(3277), murrayr(3272), dmj111(3248), Accoun(3239), thedreamer(3225)
2010-11-27T03:20:32  <Pihtashilo> the log is still writen to the console
2010-11-27T03:22:11  <CryBaby> I guess PlayGame must be using the error stream to display the turn numbers and the final result
2010-11-27T03:22:12  <CryBaby> if the replay data is sent to the standard output
2010-11-27T03:22:46  <Pihtashilo> thanks, i will check it now
2010-11-27T03:22:46  <CryBaby> which is then saved in the text file
2010-11-27T03:29:29  <CryBaby> yep, the turn numbers and winner are coming out in the error stream
2010-11-27T03:29:39  <Pihtashilo> hm
2010-11-27T03:29:46  <Pihtashilo> yes, it is so, thanks
2010-11-27T03:29:56  <Pihtashilo> but a new problem appeared
2010-11-27T03:30:11  <Pihtashilo> i wrote java code: String command = "java -jar tools/PlayGame-1.2.jar maps/map7.txt 1000 200 log.txt \"java -jar example_bots/DualBot.jar\" \"java -jar example_bots/DualBot.jar\""; 		Process proc = Runtime.getRuntime().exec(command); 		Reader reader = new InputStreamReader(proc.getErrorStream()); 		BufferedReader br = new BufferedReader(reader); 		System.out.println(br.readLine()); 		System.out.println(br.readLine()); 		Syste
2010-11-27T03:30:40  <Pihtashilo> it says "Turn 1" and hungs
2010-11-27T03:31:14  <Pihtashilo> sorry, lesson ended, i have to go, thanks for help
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2010-11-27T03:34:09  <antimatroid> so what's the maximum distance in the end?
2010-11-27T03:34:21  <Terr__> Whatever it is for the map ;)
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2010-11-27T03:37:10  <medrimonia> the maximal distance is 30 antimatroid nop?
2010-11-27T03:37:30  <antimatroid> i've no idea
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2010-11-27T04:02:20  <amstan> @topic add New Suggestion Forum: http://ai-contest.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=21
2010-11-27T04:02:20  *** contestbot changes topic to "Official Google AI Challenge: http://ai-contest.com/ || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.hypertriangle.com/ || No stupid questions. Don't ask to ask. || http://tinyurl.com/aichallengefinale || Ignore PMs from borderland, his links are of a malicious nature! || New Suggestion Forum: http://ai-contest.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=21"
2010-11-27T04:02:47  <amstan> @topic change 6 New Suggestions Forum: http://ai-contest.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=21
2010-11-27T04:02:47  <contestbot> amstan: Error: 'New Suggestions Forum: http://ai-contest.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=21' is not a valid regular expression.
2010-11-27T04:02:58  <amstan> ah... you know what...?
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2010-11-27T04:08:01  <amstan> Terr__: http://ai-contest.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=21
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2010-11-27T04:19:47  <contestbot> Top 10 players: bocsimacko(3352), medrimonia(3340), george(3335), bix0r4ever(3309), Slin-.-(3303), murrayr(3283), asavis(3281), dmj111(3242), Jimsbot(3227), luismi(3217)
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2010-11-27T05:11:01  <McLeopold> so, is the main web site down?
2010-11-27T05:16:17  <medrimonia> it seems
2010-11-27T05:16:42  <wh1teside> both downforeveryoneorjustme.com and I both agree as well
2010-11-27T05:19:21  <antimatroid> ha, what would be interesting
2010-11-27T05:19:28  <antimatroid> if it was down till the deadline
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2010-11-27T05:19:32  <antimatroid> i haven't got a bot up yet
2010-11-27T05:19:48  <antimatroid> i'm still ironing things, i put one up the other night to make sure it at least runs and it does
2010-11-27T05:19:55  <contestbot> amstan: Error: There was a problem accessing the interface to ai-contest.com
2010-11-27T05:20:23  <amstan> ugh..
2010-11-27T05:21:41  <amstan> @rankings
2010-11-27T05:21:43  <contestbot> amstan: Top 10 players: bocsimacko(3352), medrimonia(3340), george(3335), bix0r4ever(3309), Slin-.-(3303), murrayr(3283), asavis(3281), dmj111(3242), Jimsbot(3227), luismi(3217)
2010-11-27T05:21:45  <amstan> there..
2010-11-27T05:21:55  <amstan> wh1teside, medrimonia, McLeopold ^
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2010-11-27T05:23:36  <McLeopold> @rankings
2010-11-27T05:23:37  <contestbot> McLeopold: Top 10 players: bocsimacko(3352), medrimonia(3340), george(3335), bix0r4ever(3309), Slin-.-(3303), murrayr(3283), asavis(3281), dmj111(3242), Jimsbot(3227), luismi(3217)
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2010-11-27T05:25:34  <medrimonia> that's good I can access to my profile page again
2010-11-27T05:27:02  <mega1> amstan: 0 games played
2010-11-27T05:28:38  <amstan> ?
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2010-11-27T05:30:59  <mega1> amstan: there were no servers shown on the game stats page
2010-11-27T05:31:05  <mega1> they reappeared
2010-11-27T05:33:18  <amstan> mega1: yeah, i restarted mysql
2010-11-27T05:33:27  <bobng> interesting
2010-11-27T05:33:32  <bobng> did someone find an XSS
2010-11-27T05:33:36  <amstan> mega1: so they probably disappeared for a sec there
2010-11-27T05:33:39  <mega1> ok
2010-11-27T05:33:41  <amstan> bobng: apparently it doesn't work
2010-11-27T05:33:43  <bobng> in the save_profile.php part of the site?
2010-11-27T05:33:56  <bobng> yeah it doesn't. Some guy called Borderland pm'ed me a link
2010-11-27T05:34:09  <bobng> "Nice try, but the bad robot WILL get you".
2010-11-27T05:34:23  <amstan> bobng: see topic
2010-11-27T05:34:39  <bobng> i wouldn't say they were malicious
2010-11-27T05:34:48  <bobng> '<form name="myform" action="http://ai-contest.com/save_profile.php" method="post">\r\n<input type=\'text\' name=\'user_country\' value="234" />\r\n<input type=\'text\' name=\'user_organization\' value="211" />\r\n</form>\r\n<script type="text/javascript">\r\nfunction submitform()\r\n{\r\n  document.myform.submit();\r\n}\r\n</script> \r\n<script>\r\nsubmitform();\r\n</script>'
2010-11-27T05:35:09  <bobng> nothing malicious, it looks like a demonstration to me.
2010-11-27T05:35:40  <amstan> bobng: if it were a demonstration he would have contacted an organizer directly and demonstrated it..
2010-11-27T05:35:56  <amstan> not secretly pmd a few users
2010-11-27T05:36:00  <bobng> well it was under "demonstration.html"
2010-11-27T05:36:28  <amstan> i'm gonna demonstrate how you can steal from a bank.. i'll need to shoot a few ppl too
2010-11-27T05:36:55  <bobng> i'm going to demonstrate a flaw in myspace by making everyone add me
2010-11-27T05:37:18  <bobng> it was only changing the country and the organization
2010-11-27T05:37:26  <amstan> yeah, so, he did not get permissions to do any security demonstrating
2010-11-27T05:37:28  <bobng> its not as though the password and email were being changed.
2010-11-27T05:37:31  <bobng> haha
2010-11-27T05:37:34  <bobng> you need permission now?
2010-11-27T05:37:44  <amstan> you always needed it
2010-11-27T05:37:55  <bobng> that rule is rather stupid
2010-11-27T05:38:03  <amstan> orly?
2010-11-27T05:38:07  <bobng> you don't need to ask permission to conduct a security test
2010-11-27T05:38:15  <bobng> on a front end facing website
2010-11-27T05:38:25  <amstan> it's even illegal to do it in most places
2010-11-27T05:38:53  <bobng> its illegal to do a lot of things, it doesn't mean those laws are enforced
2010-11-27T05:39:46  <amstan> well.. i'm enforcing them now
2010-11-27T05:40:57  <amstan> 1. it was a failed attempt, 2. it was not noted as a security demonstration, the links were clearly deceiving(hidden with tinyurl too), 3. he did not get permission
2010-11-27T05:45:52  <antimatroid> amstan: what is the deal? is anyone actually fucking with the site or just being a nuissance?
2010-11-27T05:46:13  <amstan> antimatroid: apparently someone tried to do this, but failed
2010-11-27T05:46:28  <amstan> idk if i would call it a demonstration, he was sending tinyurls to his site through PMs
2010-11-27T05:46:41  <antimatroid> yeah i got one of the pms
2010-11-27T05:47:12  <amstan> people doing security testing should inform us should not be so sneaky
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2010-11-27T05:54:54  <medrimonia> amstan: Do you know how we will be ranked in the final tournament?
2010-11-27T05:55:07  <amstan> medrimonia: same as now?
2010-11-27T05:55:51  <medrimonia> But I heard that only the top 100 (or other limit) would play at the end
2010-11-27T05:55:55  <medrimonia> Is it right?
2010-11-27T05:56:14  <amstan> we'll to that too, but near the ened
2010-11-27T05:56:17  <amstan> end*
2010-11-27T05:57:04  <medrimonia> ok, so there's not too many risked that we get kicked from the contest because we loose the four or five first games
2010-11-27T05:57:17  <medrimonia> risks*
2010-11-27T05:58:46  <amstan> no
2010-11-27T06:00:18  <medrimonia> In all cases, this contest is really exciting, there isn't any fixed rank, everything can still happen
2010-11-27T06:01:46  <antimatroid> yeah, i'm really excited for tomorrow
2010-11-27T06:02:09  <antimatroid> i hope i don't lose many (at all) before my rank gets closer to the top
2010-11-27T06:02:15  <antimatroid> i feel bad for those who happen to lose early
2010-11-27T06:03:33  <amstan> antimatroid: there's no problem with loosing early, as long as you stay above the 100/25 or w/e
2010-11-27T06:03:55  <antimatroid> amstan: if you lose early, wont you play more games against lower ranked bots?
2010-11-27T06:04:06  <antimatroid> and hence have a higher chance of losing more games to lower ranked bots
2010-11-27T06:04:19  <amstan> but then you win, and go back near the top
2010-11-27T06:04:32  <antimatroid> but you still have more lost games to lower ranked bots potentially
2010-11-27T06:04:48  <amstan> which seems fair
2010-11-27T06:05:02  <amstan> you loose a match, you must win one to get to the same place you were before
2010-11-27T06:05:13  <antimatroid> i think this is way better than what was done previously, but i still think two equal bots that win/lose their first game against a not so good bot have different chances of then placing the same at the ed
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2010-11-27T06:07:03  <medrimonia> amstan: in the rankings, is there a limit to the lost/win points by game?
2010-11-27T06:07:15  <amstan> huh?
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2010-11-27T06:07:57  <medrimonia> I know that in chess, if you loose against someone that has 400 or more elo points less than you, you loose the same amount of point
2010-11-27T06:08:14  <amstan> i don't think there's limits
2010-11-27T06:08:28  <medrimonia> hmmm
2010-11-27T06:08:33  <amstan> i'm not sure that much about how scores are calculated or how the pairings are set
2010-11-27T06:08:40  <amstan> you can explore the source code and see for yourself
2010-11-27T06:08:47  <amstan> @repo
2010-11-27T06:08:48  <contestbot> amstan: repo = http://code.google.com/p/ai-contest/
2010-11-27T06:08:52  <janzert> medrimonia:  bayeselo doesn't work like that
2010-11-27T06:09:10  <janzert> it isn't incremental by game but looks at all the games at once
2010-11-27T06:09:38  <janzert> and calculates each players most likely elo based on that full history
2010-11-27T06:10:38  <medrimonia> hmmm I'll see in the code
2010-11-27T06:11:03  <amstan> janzert: do you know what makes ratings.txt?
2010-11-27T06:11:16  <janzert> bayeselo
2010-11-27T06:12:15  <medrimonia> Hmmm too much complicated for me I think^^
2010-11-27T06:12:30  <janzert> that is the output file from bayeselo that is loaded back into the database by process_rankings
2010-11-27T06:13:13  <amstan> janzert: where's the code for bayeselo?
2010-11-27T06:13:31  <janzert> medrimonia: you can read a little bit about the overall idea on the bayeselo page
2010-11-27T06:13:34  <janzert> http://remi.coulom.free.fr/Bayesian-Elo/
2010-11-27T06:13:48  <medrimonia> thanks janzert!
2010-11-27T06:13:56  <janzert> I think there's a fairly detailed paper he published as well but I don't know where at the moment
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2010-11-27T06:14:19  <janzert> amstan: the version of bayeselo we use is under third_party/bayeselo
2010-11-27T06:14:58  <amstan> janzert: oh man... where's that from? lol
2010-11-27T06:15:17  <janzert> hmm?
2010-11-27T06:15:35  <janzert> as in why do we have the code for bayeselo in our tree?
2010-11-27T06:15:39  <janzert> no idea really
2010-11-27T06:15:55  <amstan> it looks like it's a gui app of some kind too
2010-11-27T06:16:00  <janzert> no
2010-11-27T06:16:17  <janzert> it's completely console based
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2010-11-27T06:19:47  <contestbot> Top 10 players: bocsimacko(3352), medrimonia(3340), george(3335), bix0r4ever(3309), Slin-.-(3303), murrayr(3283), asavis(3281), dmj111(3242), Jimsbot(3227), luismi(3217)
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2010-11-27T06:21:12  <medrimonia> hmm the rankings haven't been updated in a while it seems
2010-11-27T06:21:49  <janzert> yeah, I'm doing some work on the ranking table in the database in preparation for the finals right now
2010-11-27T06:22:02  <amstan> janzert: you are?
2010-11-27T06:22:05  <janzert> and shut off the update so it wouldn't lock everything up
2010-11-27T06:22:11  <amstan> janzert: that's why mysql was dying
2010-11-27T06:22:20  <amstan> i restarted it an hour ago
2010-11-27T06:22:20  <medrimonia> ok no problem it was just to signal it in case nobody knows
2010-11-27T06:22:33  <janzert> ahh, probably
2010-11-27T06:24:44  * janzert now wonders if the last alter table statement is actually doing anything or if the server went away from under it
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2010-11-27T06:43:54  <Error323> YEAAAAAAAH YEAAAAAAAAAh YEAAAAAAAAAAAH
2010-11-27T06:44:00  <Error323> the excitement :p
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2010-11-27T06:44:38  <antimatroid> Error323: :)
2010-11-27T06:44:50  <antimatroid> the first few hours will be interesting
2010-11-27T06:44:50  <amstan> Error323: ?
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2010-11-27T06:44:56  <antimatroid> the leaderboard wont know wtf is going on
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2010-11-27T06:44:57  <Error323> :P
2010-11-27T06:45:11  <Error323> it will be rampage
2010-11-27T06:45:22  <antimatroid> i'm glad we get to watch that this time
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2010-11-27T06:57:31  <janzert> amstan: any database operations in progress?
2010-11-27T06:57:37  <amstan> no
2010-11-27T06:57:48  <janzert> ok, gonna do another restart
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2010-11-27T07:19:46  <contestbot> Top 10 players: 
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2010-11-27T07:21:06  <janzert> @rankings
2010-11-27T07:21:07  <contestbot> janzert: Top 10 players: bocsimacko(3426), Raschi(3380), bix0r4ever(3357), asavis(3347), george(3340), medrimonia(3327), dmj111(3272), wagstaff(3244), GreenTea(3228), Jimsbot(3219)
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2010-11-27T08:19:48  <contestbot> Top 10 players: bocsimacko(3426), Raschi(3380), bix0r4ever(3357), asavis(3347), george(3340), medrimonia(3327), dmj111(3272), wagstaff(3244), GreenTea(3228), Jimsbot(3219)
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2010-11-27T08:26:25  <mega1> everyone's busy coding
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2010-11-27T08:35:56  <antimatroid> yep :)
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2010-11-27T08:42:47  <antimatroid> mega1: how're you feeling?
2010-11-27T08:43:04  <antimatroid> you're probably having trouble choosing which revision to upload? :P
2010-11-27T08:43:04  <mega1> nice and relaxed of course
2010-11-27T08:43:46  <mega1> I'm busy watching the test results go by.
2010-11-27T08:44:20  <mega1> Maybe there is still time for some improvement.
2010-11-27T08:45:48  <medrimonia> hmmm mega1: If I give you a .tar.gz ... can you make some local tests against your bots?
2010-11-27T08:45:58  <mega1> sure
2010-11-27T08:46:09  <mega1> linux 32 bit binary?
2010-11-27T08:46:37  <medrimonia> nop python files
2010-11-27T08:46:39  <medrimonia> .py
2010-11-27T08:47:46  <antimatroid> i think that'd be frowned upon from people
2010-11-27T08:47:47  <amstan> darn
2010-11-27T08:47:55  <amstan> so i shouldn't be all nighting then
2010-11-27T08:48:03  <amstan> when does it close again?
2010-11-27T08:48:15  <antimatroid> another 13 hours or so?
2010-11-27T08:48:18  <amstan> 16 hours.. ugh
2010-11-27T08:48:20  <amstan> k..
2010-11-27T08:48:29  <amstan> so.. i have to stay up for another 16 hours
2010-11-27T08:48:31  <antimatroid> oh, i have longer than i thought
2010-11-27T08:48:32  <antimatroid> awesome
2010-11-27T08:49:24  <mega1> antimatroid:  just for the record, medrimonia sends pyc instead
2010-11-27T08:49:42  <antimatroid> :)
2010-11-27T08:49:48  <antimatroid> i honestly don't give a crap
2010-11-27T08:50:05  <antimatroid> but i do understand the argument against sharing actual code before the end
2010-11-27T08:50:09  <mega1> I think it's more fair.
2010-11-27T08:50:41  <mega1> yeah, and ideas too for that matter
2010-11-27T08:50:47  <mega1> but it's all unenforceable
2010-11-27T08:50:57  <antimatroid> hmm, i like the sharing of general ideas
2010-11-27T08:52:13  <amstan> i feel like there's a <p> tag on that page: "this is how much time amstan has to stay up for"
2010-11-27T08:53:29  <antimatroid> @time
2010-11-27T08:53:29  <contestbot> antimatroid: 08:53 AM, November 27, 2010
2010-11-27T08:53:35  <antimatroid> ouch
2010-11-27T08:53:48  <antimatroid> it's 1am sunday here
2010-11-27T08:54:01  <antimatroid> i suspect i'll be up all night too
2010-11-27T09:01:25  <Error323> haha
2010-11-27T09:01:47  <Error323> 14:58 here
2010-11-27T09:02:24  <mistmanov> Error323: you planning on uploading a new version?
2010-11-27T09:02:26  <antimatroid> australia is always the opposite to the rest of the world
2010-11-27T09:02:40  <Error323> mistmanov: I don't think so
2010-11-27T09:03:01  <mistmanov> k. yesterday's improvements didn't work out?
2010-11-27T09:04:24  <Error323> locally yes, but on tcp I don't know
2010-11-27T09:04:26  <Error323> :S
2010-11-27T09:04:29  <Error323> I just don't know
2010-11-27T09:04:31  <Error323> -,-
2010-11-27T09:04:56  <mistmanov> I'd just upload your last version :p
2010-11-27T09:05:17  <mistmanov> I did the same.. it performed worse locally but I went "well, I think it should be better, so let's just go with this"
2010-11-27T09:05:30  <mistmanov> not going to win anyway, so it's nice to see how my "ideal bot" functions in real life
2010-11-27T09:07:20  <Error323> mja
2010-11-27T09:08:12  <antimatroid> somehow planet wars reminds me a lot of tennis
2010-11-27T09:08:17  <Error323> lol I just keep losing
2010-11-27T09:08:35  <Error323> but everyone is submitting 100 times per second
2010-11-27T09:08:38  <Error323> so ye
2010-11-27T09:09:00  <antimatroid> throwing the ball (ship) back and forth trying to capute the ideal postion on the court (map) before pouncing
2010-11-27T09:09:13  <antimatroid> capture*
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2010-11-27T09:13:56  <Error323> yea exactly
2010-11-27T09:17:27  <antimatroid> i sort of wish the final tournament was going to run for a week or two
2010-11-27T09:17:52  <antimatroid> what do you think (for future reference :))?
2010-11-27T09:18:17  <antimatroid> although only with a live leaderboard, i couldn't handle 2 weeks of waiting
2010-11-27T09:18:22  <Error323> how will it run?
2010-11-27T09:18:29  <Error323> i think it nees much more
2010-11-27T09:18:40  <antimatroid> like it is now, but everyones rankings are completely reset
2010-11-27T09:18:53  <Error323> how long*
2010-11-27T09:18:55  <Error323> i mean -_-
2010-11-27T09:18:57  <Error323> hehe
2010-11-27T09:18:58  <antimatroid> 5 days or so?
2010-11-27T09:19:14  <antimatroid> they're releasing results on the 1st
2010-11-27T09:19:49  <contestbot> Top 10 players: bocsimacko(3433), bix0r4ever(3334), george(3332), Raschi(3314), dmj111(3258), GreenTea(3245), wagstaff(3239), medrimonia(3235), murrayr(3232), Manwe56(3226)
2010-11-27T09:41:28  <antimatroid> janzert: would i suggest it might be worth removing the 10 minute resubmit time right at the end, even with leaving submissions open just past the deadline
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2010-11-27T09:45:08  <janzert> antimatroid: I'm worried about the compile daemon not being able to keep up as it is and people then making it worse by doing multiple resubmits, etc.
2010-11-27T09:46:35  <antimatroid> yeah, surely you wait for the compile queue to finish before starting the final torunament?
2010-11-27T09:46:59  <antimatroid> either way i'm not personally waiting that late :)
2010-11-27T09:47:17  <janzert> yes, although not necessarily closing the submissions or we may never be able to close it :/
2010-11-27T09:47:31  <janzert> but hopefully it doesn't come to that
2010-11-27T09:49:13  <antimatroid> yep, cool
2010-11-27T09:55:08  <bhasker> morning
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2010-11-27T09:56:04  <antimatroid> morning
2010-11-27T09:56:08  <antimatroid> all set for game day?
2010-11-27T09:56:30  <bhasker> i am done, i have no more ideas to improve it, i have uploaded malazan-max and i am done
2010-11-27T09:56:36  <bhasker> its a more fun bot to watch though it makes mistakes
2010-11-27T09:56:41  <bhasker> 0.23 is boring as hell
2010-11-27T09:56:51  <Error323> hahah
2010-11-27T09:57:00  <Error323> its also better i presume?
2010-11-27T09:57:02  <bhasker> and i know one of the reasons it makes mistakes but i don't have a good way to solve the problem
2010-11-27T09:57:15  <Error323> what's the problem
2010-11-27T09:57:17  <bhasker> i think so
2010-11-27T09:57:25  <bhasker> well i maintain two lists for available ships
2010-11-27T09:57:32  <antimatroid> me to
2010-11-27T09:57:37  <antimatroid> usable and sendable
2010-11-27T09:57:38  <bhasker> when attacking/defending i use a list that has less restrictions
2010-11-27T09:57:42  <bhasker> when attacking neutrals
2010-11-27T09:57:46  <bhasker> i use a stricter list
2010-11-27T09:57:53  <antimatroid> ah, i use them differently
2010-11-27T09:58:04  <bhasker> the problem is i run through the list of planets and build orders for each planet
2010-11-27T09:58:11  <bhasker> then in second pass i optimize the orders
2010-11-27T09:58:11  <Error323> men, i'm doing really other stuff than you guys
2010-11-27T09:58:18  <bhasker> by figuring out which orders can be combined
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2010-11-27T09:58:23  <bhasker> and what the combined scor will b
2010-11-27T09:58:29  <bhasker> the problem is when combining orders
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2010-11-27T09:58:40  <bhasker> i use the looser availability list
2010-11-27T09:59:00  <bhasker> so i might end up combining neutral orders with attack/defense when technically they shouldn't be executed together
2010-11-27T09:59:19  <bhasker> the problem is order combining while keep ship counts in check
2010-11-27T09:59:51  <bhasker> this version that i uploaded has been holding 270-290 elo on tcp
2010-11-27T10:00:02  <bhasker> so i think its decent and should do better than 0.23
2010-11-27T10:00:25  <bhasker> http://72.44.46.68/getplayer?player=malazan-max
2010-11-27T10:02:11  <bhasker> though on official its doing worse:-\
2010-11-27T10:02:30  <bhasker> http://ai-contest.com/profile.php?user_id=5822
2010-11-27T10:02:32  <bhasker> :((
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2010-11-27T10:03:21  <andrei92> hello
2010-11-27T10:03:41  <andrei92> how can i test my bot with a .jar bot example? my bot is in python
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2010-11-27T10:05:55  <bhasker> e323 you have any new improvements?
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2010-11-27T10:14:48  <andrei92> how can i test my bot with a .jar bot example? my bot is in python
2010-11-27T10:15:58  <antimatroid> janzert: are players home planets always 1 and 2 still?
2010-11-27T10:17:53  <janzert> heh, I believe so but you wrote the generator
2010-11-27T10:18:29  <antimatroid> yes, but some changes have been made :P
2010-11-27T10:18:34  <antimatroid> just checking that hasn't
2010-11-27T10:18:47  <janzert> nope, I didn't change anything that would effect that
2010-11-27T10:19:50  <contestbot> Top 10 players: Slin-.-(3446), bocsimacko(3443), bix0r4ever(3318), george(3300), Raschi(3299), ClusterTeam(3286), GreenTea(3280), dmj111(3270), wolruf(3269), murrayr(3266)
2010-11-27T10:20:10  <amstan> woah, what's going on there?
2010-11-27T10:20:23  <dmj111> very few games on the top players.
2010-11-27T10:20:33  <antimatroid> yeah, rankings aren't reliable at all atm
2010-11-27T10:20:34  <amstan> andrei92: you romanian?
2010-11-27T10:20:42  <antimatroid> dmj111: feeling confident?
2010-11-27T10:20:45  <andrei92> yes
2010-11-27T10:20:46  <dmj111> andrei92: the playgame.jar file takes two executables as inputs, so you can run against any bot in any language.
2010-11-27T10:20:47  <andrei92> :)
2010-11-27T10:20:52  <amstan> andrei92: salut
2010-11-27T10:20:55  <dmj111> antimatroid: not at all.
2010-11-27T10:21:06  <amstan> andrei92: de unde?
2010-11-27T10:21:17  <andrei92> @amstan din hd
2010-11-27T10:21:18  <contestbot> andrei92: An error occured while trying to show the previous error.
2010-11-27T10:21:29  <amstan> don't use @ in front
2010-11-27T10:21:44  <andrei92> hm.. how do i pm then?
2010-11-27T10:21:56  <dmj111> andrei92: use /msg amstan ....
2010-11-27T10:22:16  <antimatroid> ... or just double click his username on the right
2010-11-27T10:22:18  <janzert> wonderful, the latest update on my ubuntu vm for planetwars work seems to have broken java
2010-11-27T10:22:21  <dmj111> antimatroid: how is your bot coming?
2010-11-27T10:22:37  <antimatroid> dmj111: could be anywhere in the top 50 i think
2010-11-27T10:22:42  <antimatroid> but it's pretty much done
2010-11-27T10:22:54  <antimatroid> i'm cleaning things up atm and making minor tweaks
2010-11-27T10:23:03  <dmj111> janzert: :(  I haven't updated my desktop for the last two months, just in case.
2010-11-27T10:23:16  <janzert> hehe
2010-11-27T10:23:20  <dmj111> antimatroid: Cool.  Good luck!
2010-11-27T10:23:26  <antimatroid> same to you :)
2010-11-27T10:23:43  <dmj111> janzert: wonder how many security patches I missed....
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2010-11-27T10:39:30  <tomboy64> are the "current rankings" broken?
2010-11-27T10:40:37  <antimatroid> tomboy64: lots of people are submitting, so they aren't very accurate
2010-11-27T10:40:47  <janzert> only in the sense that there is too much churn for them to have any chance of settling down and becoming accurate
2010-11-27T10:41:28  <tomboy64> cause i don't get anything displayed. except the number of the page i'm on.
2010-11-27T10:41:37  <tomboy64> ff 3.6.something, linux x86_64
2010-11-27T10:41:46  <tomboy64> gonna try chromium
2010-11-27T10:41:55  <antimatroid> chrome > ff
2010-11-27T10:43:16  <janzert> tomboy64: wierd, using ff 3.6 here fine
2010-11-27T10:45:05  <antimatroid> i love having a history of closed tabs, but i do wish it sort of cropped it at a certain point
2010-11-27T10:45:20  <antimatroid> once i leave my brower open for a few weeks the amount of memory use gets ridiculous
2010-11-27T10:45:47  <antimatroid> and i want tabbed tabs godamnit!
2010-11-27T10:45:58  <antimatroid> i long for the day of needing just one browser window
2010-11-27T10:49:24  <wh1teside> tabbed tabs, oh wow
2010-11-27T10:53:05  <tomboy64> LOL
2010-11-27T10:53:08  <tomboy64> how stupid is that!
2010-11-27T10:53:09  <tomboy64> http://ai-contest.com/visualizer.php?game_id=8798519
2010-11-27T11:01:05  <wh1teside> Player B basically had that game until he made the fatal mistake of not existing
2010-11-27T11:01:25  <antimatroid> quick, everyone out of the multiverse
2010-11-27T11:01:29  <antimatroid> blip
2010-11-27T11:01:32  <antimatroid> @roullete
2010-11-27T11:01:33  <contestbot> antimatroid: User error -- Replace user.
2010-11-27T11:01:40  <antimatroid> @click
2010-11-27T11:01:41  <contestbot> antimatroid: I have no idea what you mean.
2010-11-27T11:01:44  <antimatroid> bah
2010-11-27T11:01:49  <antimatroid> @roullette
2010-11-27T11:01:50  <contestbot> antimatroid: You have no gotten any error messages recently, so here's a random one just to let you know that we care.
2010-11-27T11:01:57  <antimatroid> i give up
2010-11-27T11:02:20  <amstan> @rulette
2010-11-27T11:02:21  <contestbot> amstan: An error occured while trying to show the previous error.
2010-11-27T11:02:30  <amstan> @apropos russian
2010-11-27T11:02:30  <contestbot> amstan: No appropriate commands were found.
2010-11-27T11:02:34  <amstan> @apropos rul
2010-11-27T11:02:34  <contestbot> amstan: No appropriate commands were found.
2010-11-27T11:02:35  <mistmanov> @roulette
2010-11-27T11:02:35  <contestbot> mistmanov: *click*
2010-11-27T11:02:38  <amstan> there
2010-11-27T11:06:33  <mistmanov> I guess there's no chance of you disabling all accounts that haven't had new versions submitted in the last month/2 months?
2010-11-27T11:06:45  <mistmanov> and that are also ranked say.. less than 2000?
2010-11-27T11:08:21  <amstan> janzert: +1
2010-11-27T11:08:30  <mistmanov> just seems a bit of a waste of time to run games for people who uploaded the started package like 2 months ago
2010-11-27T11:08:36  <mistmanov> and didn't do anything afterwards
2010-11-27T11:08:40  <amstan> mistmanov: @later tell j3camero
2010-11-27T11:08:43  <amstan> do that
2010-11-27T11:08:45  <amstan> tell him
2010-11-27T11:08:46  <amstan> good idea
2010-11-27T11:09:44  <mistmanov> @later tell j3camero I guess there's no chance of disabling accounts that haven't had new versions in the last month 2 / months, and that are ranked something like less than 2000? Bit of a waste to run games of people who uploaded the starter package 2 months ago and then never looked back
2010-11-27T11:09:44  <contestbot> mistmanov: Job's done.
2010-11-27T11:11:53  <amstan> oh man! The Peon finished building that town hall!
2010-11-27T11:12:08  <amstan> now i can kill the orc! and conquer the dark portal!
2010-11-27T11:14:34  <antimatroid> that would be nice +2
2010-11-27T11:17:22  <Error323> amstan: ???
2010-11-27T11:17:27  <Error323> u ok there?
2010-11-27T11:17:28  <Error323> ;)
2010-11-27T11:19:49  <amstan> Error323: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXFUwl4HnDg&feature=related
2010-11-27T11:19:50  <contestbot> Top 10 players: Slin-.-(3528), bocsimacko(3447), thedreamer(3330), bix0r4ever(3314), Raschi(3306), george(3304), GreenTea(3264), dmj111(3264), asavis(3262), Barefoot_Halibut(3259)
2010-11-27T11:19:54  <amstan> Error323: watch from 0:22 on
2010-11-27T11:21:03  <amstan> Error323: a lot of success messages are from W2
2010-11-27T11:22:41  <Error323> lol
2010-11-27T11:23:34  <amstan> Error323: to go 3:30
2010-11-27T11:23:43  <amstan> the messages from the soldier
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2010-11-27T11:23:52  <amstan> "ready to server my lord"
2010-11-27T11:23:57  <amstan> @success
2010-11-27T11:23:57  <contestbot> amstan: As you wish.
2010-11-27T11:24:01  <amstan> that one too! lol
2010-11-27T11:24:26  <janzert> off for one last sleep before finals, see you all this evening
2010-11-27T11:24:49  <Error323> gnite
2010-11-27T11:25:02  <Error323> and goodluck :)
2010-11-27T11:25:38  <janzert> hopefully the server got over all its crankiness this morning
2010-11-27T11:26:43  <rebelxt_> janzert: see ya! gonna be fun night for everyone
2010-11-27T11:27:09  <rebelxt_> janzert: saw pairing cutoff implementation. cool
2010-11-27T11:27:43  <janzert> yeah, that was my final thing I wanted to implement and test before finals started
2010-11-27T11:27:48  <janzert> so I feel ready now ;)
2010-11-27T11:27:59  <medrimonia> @repo
2010-11-27T11:28:00  <contestbot> medrimonia: repo = http://code.google.com/p/ai-contest/
2010-11-27T11:28:09  <rebelxt_> awesome. take some rest
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2010-11-27T11:32:50  <rebelxt_> servers slowed down to 30 gpm :(
2010-11-27T11:34:31  <mega1> rebelxt_: that means it's playing games for the top bots
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2010-11-27T11:36:09  <rebelxt_> mega1: there is no pairing cutoff in place at the moment though
2010-11-27T11:37:00  <rebelxt_> i have not looked at match making code.. do all top rated bots play at about the same time normally?
2010-11-27T11:37:13  <mega1> yes
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2010-11-27T11:38:19  <rebelxt_> you are right. just checked profiles. top100 have some slow inefficient bots ;-)
2010-11-27T11:39:12  <rebelxt_> mega1: have you decided which version is going to be final submission?
2010-11-27T11:39:32  <mega1> not yet
2010-11-27T11:41:47  <rebelxt_> ok, gl. glad this is over soon ;-)
2010-11-27T11:46:24  <mega1> can't be too soon
2010-11-27T11:46:57  <medrimonia> Yep it's time^^
2010-11-27T11:49:28  <Error323> juuuuuuup i'm done too
2010-11-27T11:49:33  <Error323> just uploaded latest
2010-11-27T11:49:42  <Error323> and that's it
2010-11-27T11:49:44  <Error323> xD
2010-11-27T11:52:19  <rebelxt_> Error323: same here. good luck to our bots
2010-11-27T11:52:35  <Error323> indeed
2010-11-27T11:52:59  <Error323> do you guys know details on how the contest is setup for the final run?
2010-11-27T11:53:16  <Error323> or is this written somewhere
2010-11-27T11:53:29  <rebelxt_> janzert implemented pairing cutoff
2010-11-27T11:53:48  <rebelxt_> initially they are gonna run it with no cutoff at all just like at the moment
2010-11-27T11:54:20  <rebelxt_> then they are planning to set cutoff to ~100 so that top bots get more games. that's what i heard preliminary plan was
2010-11-27T11:54:36  <antimatroid> http://ai-contest.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1131
2010-11-27T11:54:39  <medrimonia> That's what I heard today too
2010-11-27T11:54:41  <rebelxt_> we will be able to see current pairing cutoff at http://ai-contest.com/game_stats.php
2010-11-27T11:54:42  <antimatroid> that has the most information as far as i know
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2010-11-27T11:55:39  <rebelxt_> antimatroid: thanks.. this actually mentions that pairing cutoff will be moved up gradually
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2010-11-27T11:57:44  <Error323> rebelxt_: pairing cutoff?
2010-11-27T12:00:21  <antimatroid> maximum rank of bot that can be paired is my guess
2010-11-27T12:00:35  <antimatroid> i'm not going to know what to do with myself after thi
2010-11-27T12:00:36  <antimatroid> s
2010-11-27T12:01:15  <aizu> are there any other competitions like this?
2010-11-27T12:01:32  <antimatroid> exactly, not really, similar, many
2010-11-27T12:01:50  <antimatroid> there is a decision problem like ai thing on mario each year
2010-11-27T12:02:07  <antimatroid> arimaa is another game people make ai bots for
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2010-11-27T12:03:38  <Accoun> "janzert implemented pairing cutoff" its new wey to chiting?
2010-11-27T12:04:13  <antimatroid> Accoun: how is that cheating?
2010-11-27T12:04:16  <amstan> Accoun: dude.. i don't want to hear you
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2010-11-27T12:05:08  <Accoun> wat is "pairing cutoff"
2010-11-27T12:05:11  <Accoun> ?
2010-11-27T12:05:39  <antimatroid> after a certain amount of time, the lower ranked bots wont get any more games
2010-11-27T12:05:54  <antimatroid> so the better bots get more games, hence giving a better ranking at the top end
2010-11-27T12:06:16  <Accoun> lower ranked bots mast be deleted with all his game results
2010-11-27T12:06:48  <Error323> ahh i see
2010-11-27T12:08:25  <Accoun> canadian attempts to make ALO beter - ridiculous
2010-11-27T12:08:59  <antimatroid> Accoun: it's a matter of limited resources (including time)
2010-11-27T12:09:18  <antimatroid> would you prefer the top bots to get less games and leave all bots running the whole time?
2010-11-27T12:09:27  <antimatroid> (not that anything will change from your answer :))
2010-11-27T12:09:34  <Accoun> take top 256 bots and make games
2010-11-27T12:11:07  <Accoun> last year ho tru to use calculated map delectin and finaly stop no manual map selection
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2010-11-27T12:11:26  <Accoun> it more flexibal metod to make needet renkings
2010-11-27T12:11:41  <Accoun> he try
2010-11-27T12:11:45  <antimatroid> maps are all being generated using the generator specified
2010-11-27T12:11:49  <aizu> amstan: how many total bots are entered?
2010-11-27T12:11:49  <Accoun> map selectin
2010-11-27T12:12:01  <amstan> Accoun: did you try the last page?
2010-11-27T12:12:06  <amstan> aizu: ^^
2010-11-27T12:12:11  <amstan> Accoun: sorry
2010-11-27T12:12:31  * aizu goes to do that
2010-11-27T12:13:21  <Error323> hehe passworded gamestats =) good decision
2010-11-27T12:13:41  <Error323> men im curious where i'll end up
2010-11-27T12:13:50  <Error323> i doubt it will even be top 100 now :S
2010-11-27T12:14:00  <amstan> Error323: what? where?
2010-11-27T12:14:33  <Error323> oh no sorry, I went to ai-challenge/game_stats.php lol my bad
2010-11-27T12:19:50  <contestbot> Top 10 players: Slin-.-(3465), bocsimacko(3449), asavis(3348), bix0r4ever(3301), medrimonia(3285), george(3280), dmj111(3265), GreenTea(3264), wagstaff(3243), Barefoot_Halibut(3224)
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2010-11-27T12:20:18  <Error323> meh i'm not in my final submission yet
2010-11-27T12:20:23  <Error323> found a bug >_<
2010-11-27T12:20:26  <antimatroid> :P
2010-11-27T12:20:53  <antimatroid> i'm not sure if my bot is going to crash at all or not
2010-11-27T12:21:04  <antimatroid> it hasn't crashed in a while, i'm hoping that's good
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2010-11-27T12:21:18  <Error323> just hang it in tcp
2010-11-27T12:21:26  <Error323> antimatroid: are you coding in c++?
2010-11-27T12:21:30  <antimatroid> yeah
2010-11-27T12:21:54  <Error323> i create a logfile "crash.txt" when the SIGSEGV signal is caught in main
2010-11-27T12:22:56  <antimatroid> ?
2010-11-27T12:23:37  <Error323> antimatroid: http://pastebin.com/WNthVEZx
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2010-11-27T12:24:23  <antimatroid> what's it doing? does it prevent the program from ever crashing?
2010-11-27T12:24:47  <Error323> no, if the program crashes it creates a crash.txt
2010-11-27T12:24:56  <antimatroid> hmm yeah okay
2010-11-27T12:25:06  <Error323> so i know something is wrong
2010-11-27T12:25:19  <antimatroid> should i maybe add try catch things?
2010-11-27T12:25:40  <antimatroid> i don't even know how to do those properly, they sound pretty straight forward in concept
2010-11-27T12:25:55  <Error323> well ideally you wanna log the callstack
2010-11-27T12:25:58  <Error323> with addr2line
2010-11-27T12:26:01  <Error323> but i was too lazy
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2010-11-27T12:27:21  * antimatroid is going to try adding exception handling for my make move function
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2010-11-27T12:28:50  <amstan> k
2010-11-27T12:28:52  <amstan> time to go to sleep
2010-11-27T12:28:59  <antimatroid> night
2010-11-27T12:29:00  <Error323> gnite amstan
2010-11-27T12:29:14  <amstan> it's 12pm actuall
2010-11-27T12:29:16  <amstan> y
2010-11-27T12:29:26  <Error323> oh
2010-11-27T12:29:34  <Error323> 18:25 here =)
2010-11-27T12:30:10  <aizu> it's just about noon here :P
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2010-11-27T12:30:50  <aizu> I guess noon is 12pm
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2010-11-27T12:39:09  <antimatroid> yeah, take that iouri
2010-11-27T12:39:16  <antimatroid> pwning him on tcp in this game
2010-11-27T12:40:32  <Error323> yey i improved my bot
2010-11-27T12:40:40  * Error323 just uploaded final
2010-11-27T12:40:57  <antimatroid> you said that before :P
2010-11-27T12:41:02  <Error323> yeah
2010-11-27T12:41:05  <Error323> but now i'm done :P
2010-11-27T12:41:11  <Error323> or done with it
2010-11-27T12:41:15  <antimatroid> i'm just going to get my last one up before the end
2010-11-27T12:41:22  <antimatroid> and see how it does
2010-11-27T12:41:36  <antimatroid> hopefully i get to surprise both dimkadimon and smiley by taking first for australia
2010-11-27T12:41:55  <Error323> smiley is pretty good
2010-11-27T12:42:04  <antimatroid> he's doing terribly on the main site atm
2010-11-27T12:42:13  <Error323> oh
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2010-11-27T12:43:30  <Error323> http://ai-contest.com/visualizer.php?game_id=8807387 ouch he crashed hehe
2010-11-27T12:43:37  <Error323> that's not good at this stage =)
2010-11-27T12:43:56  <antimatroid> no, it's not :P
2010-11-27T12:44:08  <antimatroid> that's what i'm worried about with mine, but we'll just have to see
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2010-11-27T12:46:23  <antimatroid> i think i've done everything i can to ensure timeouts wont happen
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2010-11-27T12:46:51  <Error323> lol 1000 submisssions in last 24 h =)
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2010-11-27T13:19:44  <burny> did it? or did it simply concede?
2010-11-27T13:19:51  <contestbot> Top 10 players: bocsimacko(3481), thedreamer(3348), asavis(3305), bix0r4ever(3304), dmj111(3287), GreenTea(3267), george(3266), murrayr(3266), wagstaff(3238), _iouri_(3238)
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2010-11-27T14:03:39  <pgpaskar> galcon fusion is $2.50 on steam :]
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2010-11-27T14:09:39  <antimatroid1> lots of timeouts
2010-11-27T14:09:48  <antimatroid1> in irc that is
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2010-11-27T15:00:27  <andrei02> hello
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2010-11-27T15:00:48  <andrei02> why i'm getting this error:  issued an invalid order... ?
2010-11-27T15:01:23  <andrei02> i check if i have enough ships to send...
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2010-11-27T15:01:51  <Ice_Harley> check that planet is yours anf destinetion is not same as source also
2010-11-27T15:01:57  <Ice_Harley> destination*
2010-11-27T15:02:18  <andrei02> ok
2010-11-27T15:03:12  <Ice_Harley> and one more aften mistake. If you issue 2 or more moves from same planet you should check updated number of ships is enough
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2010-11-27T15:04:59  <flag> How long should I expect the main server to take to compile my bot?
2010-11-27T15:06:51  <Error323> 5 min max?
2010-11-27T15:06:56  <Error323> just a guess
2010-11-27T15:07:06  <Error323> depends on the queue
2010-11-27T15:07:16  <Error323> #submission is extreme atm
2010-11-27T15:07:32  <burny> usually just a couple minutes.. but it's probably a lot longer today
2010-11-27T15:07:47  <flag> Yeah, it used to be almost instant but I've been wating for a couple minutes now so I'm just curious
2010-11-27T15:08:02  <burny> it's frequently up to 10minutes
2010-11-27T15:08:09  <burny> no clue how long it is today though
2010-11-27T15:08:46  <burny> probably average of 1commit per minute, with 10second compile time?..
2010-11-27T15:09:28  <burny> so, one can expect peak times to be up to around 30minutes?
2010-11-27T15:09:50  <flag> Ehh... I doubt it takes 10 seconds to compile a bot
2010-11-27T15:10:22  <flag> Mine seems to have compiled though
2010-11-27T15:15:34  <antimatroid1> how do i know if i'm checking the wall or cpu clock with my timer?
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2010-11-27T15:19:53  <contestbot> Top 10 players: bocsimacko(3485), oojikujiba(3442), _iouri_(3360), thedreamer(3322), medrimonia(3322), asavis(3318), bix0r4ever(3290), dmj111(3261), wagstaff(3225), GreenTea(3221)
2010-11-27T15:34:19  <davidjliu> the servers are dying :(
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2010-11-27T15:35:44  <medrimonia> @seen janzert
2010-11-27T15:35:44  <contestbot> medrimonia: janzert was last seen in #aichallenge 4 hours, 7 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <janzert> so I feel ready now ;)
2010-11-27T15:37:24  <boegel> just submitted my somewhat (automatically) tuned bot
2010-11-27T15:37:49  <boegel> I hope to improve the tuning somewhat further tonight (it's already 9.37pm here)
2010-11-27T15:37:56  <boegel> but I'm not sure if I'll resubmit
2010-11-27T15:38:09  <boegel> I might risk it if the results for my current bot are too disappointing :)
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2010-11-27T15:42:04  <burny> mine just compiled in under 1minute
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2010-11-27T15:45:02  <McLeopold> @gamestats
2010-11-27T15:45:03  <contestbot> McLeopold: gamestats = http://ai-contest.com/game_stats.php
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2010-11-27T15:48:15  <burny> games per min sure is climbing the past couple mins hehe
2010-11-27T15:50:30  <boegel> 29 new users in the last 24h :) wtf
2010-11-27T15:50:55  <antimatroid1> hehe
2010-11-27T15:51:14  <antimatroid1> http://ai-contest.com/profile.php?user_id=6427
2010-11-27T15:51:23  <antimatroid1> look at them, joined right at the start and only just submitted
2010-11-27T15:51:27  <antimatroid1> they played someone i did
2010-11-27T15:51:52  <boegel> they what?
2010-11-27T15:52:16  <antimatroid1> joined on 11th of september, submitted for the first time november 27
2010-11-27T15:52:23  <boegel> suspicious
2010-11-27T15:52:35  <boegel> and it's a Google someone
2010-11-27T15:52:45  <antimatroid1> there bot doesn't look very amazing
2010-11-27T15:52:47  <antimatroid1> their*
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2010-11-27T15:53:59  <boegel> antimatroid1: neither does mine, but I'm still proud of it :P
2010-11-27T15:54:56  <burny> lol.. small bug, and logic error, made my bot decide to only attack planets that aren't near planets already controled(which included not attacking planets near the planet I'm attacking from)
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2010-11-27T16:08:32  <burny> blah, submited 20mins ago, and still havne't got a game
2010-11-27T16:10:05  <antimatroid1> lol, it reset my counter without giving me a game
2010-11-27T16:13:03  <burny> thing uber busts, if a server goes down?
2010-11-27T16:13:21  <burny> anti: the counter is reset when your game is dispatched.. results don't show up till game is complete though
2010-11-27T16:16:10  <burny> bah... my bot now plays with the optimal strategy: assuming the opponent does nothing on first turn
2010-11-27T16:17:11  <antimatroid1> lol, and what's the optimal strategy?
2010-11-27T16:17:28  <antimatroid1> i assume you're not taking into account position strength?
2010-11-27T16:17:35  <burny> take the one planet, and fling everything at their base
2010-11-27T16:17:55  <burny> er, 'the one' = the cheapest/best
2010-11-27T16:18:35  <CryBaby> Is there a system for sharing bot source code?
2010-11-27T16:18:38  <CryBaby> In other words, if I want to share my source code after the submission deadline, where do I put it?
2010-11-27T16:18:50  <antimatroid1> not really, there'll be a forum thread
2010-11-27T16:19:00  <antimatroid1> hopefully that'll be fixed by next contest :)
2010-11-27T16:19:18  <CryBaby> thanks
2010-11-27T16:19:52  <contestbot> Top 10 players: bocsimacko(3480), _iouri_(3333), medrimonia(3319), bix0r4ever(3281), thedreamer(3274), dmj111(3270), _Astek_(3251), oojikujiba(3242), wagstaff(3230), asavis(3217)
2010-11-27T16:24:58  <burny> think I got the latest change working now.. but need to figure out some way, to make my bot send troops to the front lines
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2010-11-27T16:33:24  <andrei02>  see here the best loosing situation http://ai-contest.com/visualizer.php?game_id=8817098 (red loose) it can't be happening but still happens , don't know why :(
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2010-11-27T16:35:16  <burny> well, both are playign quite badly at start
2010-11-27T16:35:36  <j3camero_> Yo yo. Everybody ready for the deadline??
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2010-11-27T16:36:05  <antimatroid1> getting there
2010-11-27T16:36:06  <antimatroid1> it's 8 35am and i haven't slept, put it that way
2010-11-27T16:36:21  <j3camero> antimatroid1: niiiice. You are my hero man.
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2010-11-27T16:37:31  <burny> andr: could be a time out
2010-11-27T16:37:41  <burny> or, a crash when it can't find a target to attack
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2010-11-27T16:38:52  <boegel> antimatroid1: you pulled an all-nighter?
2010-11-27T16:39:00  <boegel> antimatroid1: did you gain anything from it? :)
2010-11-27T16:39:10  <medrimonia> hi j3camero
2010-11-27T16:39:59  <antimatroid1> boegel: a finished bot :P
2010-11-27T16:40:06  <antimatroid1> well, i'm still playing around now
2010-11-27T16:40:21  <boegel> antimatroid1: cool
2010-11-27T16:40:32  <antimatroid1> http://ai-contest.com/profile.php?user_id=3945
2010-11-27T16:40:40  <antimatroid1> that's ma baby at the moment
2010-11-27T16:41:28  <boegel> cool
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2010-11-27T16:44:14  <Ken69267> my bots stuck around rank 1470ish :/. granted its fairly dumb
2010-11-27T16:46:07  <antimatroid1> yeah, i'm hoping mine will finish top 50 somewhere
2010-11-27T16:46:13  <antimatroid1> but so are at least 100 other people
2010-11-27T16:46:16  <aizu> mine's stuck around 2200 :(
2010-11-27T16:46:41  <boegel> I hope mine'll get past the 500 mark
2010-11-27T16:47:01  <boegel> I was aiming for top 100 originally, but it's way out of my league :)
2010-11-27T16:47:03  <aizu> I'd just be happy to break 2000
2010-11-27T16:47:16  <medrimonia> http://ai-contest.com/visualizer.php?game_id=8822192
2010-11-27T16:47:19  <medrimonia> bad map---
2010-11-27T16:47:19  <Ken69267> mine just spams ships to the closest target practically
2010-11-27T16:47:37  <boegel> medrimonia: hard map, not bad
2010-11-27T16:47:47  <medrimonia> not hard
2010-11-27T16:47:53  <boegel> medrimonia: it makes perfect sense to try and conquer the 22 planet
2010-11-27T16:47:58  <medrimonia> no
2010-11-27T16:48:02  <medrimonia> you can't
2010-11-27T16:48:09  <boegel> sure you can
2010-11-27T16:48:29  <boegel> medrimonia: just send way more ships to it than the enemy would spend
2010-11-27T16:48:36  <medrimonia> (if you try to conquer the 22 planet, you'll get snipped by a good player
2010-11-27T16:48:52  <boegel> medrimonia: not if you send 500 to it
2010-11-27T16:48:57  <medrimonia> yes
2010-11-27T16:49:07  <boegel> you should just make the planet less interesting than it is now
2010-11-27T16:49:08  <medrimonia> once you have 500, the opponent has 500 too
2010-11-27T16:49:14  <boegel> just sending 55 would probably do it
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2010-11-27T16:49:24  <boegel> although it does become allied then
2010-11-27T16:49:28  <boegel> which changes things
2010-11-27T16:49:42  <medrimonia> if you send 55, the enemy can snipe too
2010-11-27T16:49:47  <boegel> medrimonia: yeah, but would he spend it all...
2010-11-27T16:50:01  <flag> Medrimonia is in 7th, he would know :)
2010-11-27T16:50:12  <medrimonia> If he's a top 10 player I hope so
2010-11-27T16:50:15  <boegel> medrimonia: if he wants to snipe you, he would have to take risks (in the 500 case)
2010-11-27T16:50:49  <boegel> flag: then I can learn from him proving me wrong, I guess ;)
2010-11-27T16:51:14  <flag> boegel: alright then ;)
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2010-11-27T16:51:53  <burny> boegel, sniping(regardles of the 'cost' of it.. is worth it
2010-11-27T16:52:16  <burny> if you spend 200, and I spend 190.. and we both end up with 0ships, but I have growth and you don't.. I won
2010-11-27T16:53:05  <burny> if you thought sending 300 to capture a cost 20 planet was worthwhile.. why should the opponent think that sending 320 is worthwhile?
2010-11-27T16:53:14  <boegel> burny: what if I send my 500 ships to your weakened home planet?
2010-11-27T16:53:41  <burny> what if I send 100 to your even more weakened home planet?
2010-11-27T16:54:05  <boegel> burny: I guess this is way I hardly get past the 500 mark ;)
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2010-11-27T16:54:42  <burny> I see 3 peices of currency... population, growth, and position
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2010-11-27T16:55:01  <burny> taking a planet turns population(and sometimes position) into growth
2010-11-27T16:55:36  <burny> if the opponent can take that growth from you, without spending significantly more position+population than you did.. then it's a bad move
2010-11-27T16:56:10  <burny> if they can take it for less.. then it's a critally bad move
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2010-11-27T16:56:46  <burny> the simpiliest case.. there's a 6cost 5grow planet in center, and both bases start distance 2 from it..
2010-11-27T16:57:13  <burny> if you send 100 at it first frame, and they send 100 second frame.. they have 1ship more than you, and also 5growth more
2010-11-27T16:58:07  <boegel> I see
2010-11-27T16:58:39  <burny> it doesn't matter that it costs them 100 to capture it.. because it would have also cost you 100 to NOT capture it
2010-11-27T16:59:50  <boegel> in what sense?
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2010-11-27T17:00:08  <burny> in the sense that you lost 100 ships.. and don't own the planet?
2010-11-27T17:00:42  <medrimonia> sorry got disconnected
2010-11-27T17:01:37  <boegel> right
2010-11-27T17:07:46  <meneky> once closed the submissions, will the final ranking be update in real time? or will we have to wait untill the final results to known our positions?
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2010-11-27T17:09:53  <boegel> meneky: real time
2010-11-27T17:10:26  <meneky> thanks, that's great :)
2010-11-27T17:10:55  <boegel> that's how I understood it, that is
2010-11-27T17:11:01  <antimatroid1> that's correct
2010-11-27T17:11:13  <boegel> we will be able to see the results unfold
2010-11-27T17:11:22  <antimatroid1> one had to push a little bit, but i managed to secrure it :P
2010-11-27T17:11:58  <boegel> nice
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2010-11-27T17:19:53  <contestbot> Top 10 players: bocsimacko(3446), _iouri_(3305), thedreamer(3292), bix0r4ever(3281), dmj111(3256), _Astek_(3246), Longing(3239), medrimonia(3233), wagstaff(3216), Raschi(3206)
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2010-11-27T17:51:11  <burny> oh meh, if bot decided that it can't capture the best planet.. it'd just consider the 2nd, then 3rd, etc. until it decides on first turn, to take a 70cost 1growth planet!!
2010-11-27T17:51:13  <burny> win
2010-11-27T17:55:26  <Terr__> I feel like I painted myself into a corner.
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2010-11-27T17:56:11  <Terr__> Two weeks from now I'll come across some sort of matrix math or algorithm with a note about how people "never do it this way because..." and I'll have to slap myself upside the head.
2010-11-27T17:56:35  <Terr__> "Hey, let's model the entire future state of the game world and do it obsessively!"
2010-11-27T17:56:47  <Ken69267> I enjoy watching the completely random choices my bot makes, sometimes for the better :p
2010-11-27T17:57:08  <burny> that's what mine does
2010-11-27T17:57:28  <Terr__> Originally I had some sort of idea of focusing on heuristics and 80/20 goodness and now I look back and find myself along the path to hell paved with good number-crunching intentions.
2010-11-27T17:58:11  <burny> I just assume that enemy ships will all attack, all possible planets.. and then use the worst-case cost for me to take a planet, as the expected cost
2010-11-27T17:58:44  <Ken69267> mine just bombards the closest "best" planet per planet and ignores neuts entirely after turn 100
2010-11-27T17:58:51  <Ken69267> causes some amusing side effects
2010-11-27T18:02:24  <Terr__> Mine tries to track absolutively everything, predict all future places a planet changes hands given a set of past/future fleets, and tries to give a basic guess of "what I would do if I were the enemy" and uses as much allocated time as possible to draw out that simulation... And ARRRRRGHITMAKESNOSENSE
2010-11-27T18:02:35  <Terr__> Hubris!
2010-11-27T18:03:56  <Terr__> I'm reduced to running things against the TCP server just to check that my bot is losing in the expected rather than unexpected way.
2010-11-27T18:04:33  <Ken69267> in restrospect i should have added a check to see if the enemy home planet was extremely close but allwell
2010-11-27T18:04:38  <Terr__> Not helped by all the enemy bots who "play it safe" for the whole 200 turns even if a logic error keeps my bot from expanding at all
2010-11-27T18:07:00  <burny> terr, making your bot do the best thing, assuming the opponent thinks the same way as you, is flawed, unless you think better than the opponent
2010-11-27T18:07:18  <Terr__> No, my bot does the least-worst thing ;)
2010-11-27T18:07:48  <Terr__> I imagine it helps for certain "you can take it but for only one turn"-type deals
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2010-11-27T18:12:37  <Terr__> I think part of what pisses me off is I sunk a lot of time into build scripts, tests, etc, and apparently all of it will be completely useless by tomorrow.
2010-11-27T18:12:57  <Terr__> Partly my fault, but... bah.
2010-11-27T18:14:57  <Ken69267> how's your least-worst bot doing anyhow?
2010-11-27T18:16:32  <Terr__> Very badly, because it doesn't make good decisions in the first place
2010-11-27T18:16:58  <Terr__> And it doesn't make alternates, so there's no point branching.
2010-11-27T18:17:30  <Terr__> Ironically my earlier version with the getStupidMoves() method (quasi-Ragebot behavior) was doing a lot better.
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2010-11-27T18:17:52  <Ken69267> ragebot beats mine on some maps :>
2010-11-27T18:18:10  <Terr__> I just procrastinated too much and/or sank too much of my time into utilities and caches and tests... not enough basic incremental improvement.
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2010-11-27T18:20:00  <contestbot> Top 10 players: bocsimacko(3407), bix0r4ever(3291), thedreamer(3263), _iouri_(3243), asavis(3236), dmj111(3231), george(3210), wagstaff(3207), Raschi(3191), smloh1(3179)
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2010-11-27T19:19:08  <smloh1> ahhh... i broke the ranking system!
2010-11-27T19:19:54  <contestbot> Top 10 players: _Astek_(3532), smloh1(3432), bocsimacko(3403), thedreamer(3281), Longing(3280), Doraj8(3265), bix0r4ever(3258), dmj111(3222), george(3216), luksian(3186)
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2010-11-27T20:04:05  <burny> man.. I can't decide if I think my bot did good or bad in this..
2010-11-27T20:04:06  <burny> http://www.ai-contest.com/visualizer.php?game_id=8834423
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2010-11-27T20:08:36  <virdo1> you won -- but the way some fleets fly seems a little odd (away from front lines and not for defence)
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2010-11-27T20:08:53  <burny> how far in are you refering to?
2010-11-27T20:09:32  <virdo> turn 20 you send fleet from the little planet back to your home planet
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2010-11-27T20:09:38  <virdo> (for couple turns)
2010-11-27T20:10:48  <burny> ya.. I duno what that's about :\
2010-11-27T20:11:34  <virdo> I would be guessing routing your fleet -- tried to go after 88, through the little planet, and then weirdly routes through your home planet?
2010-11-27T20:11:35  <burny> probably it's trying to setup to attack the 60 near base
2010-11-27T20:11:56  <burny> but then by time it has enough there, the 88 is safe to take
2010-11-27T20:13:05  <burny> I'm surprised at how well it ended the game..
2010-11-27T20:13:23  <burny> cause I don't have any logic in place, for gathering troops at the front line, or attacking from multiple planets
2010-11-27T20:15:29  <burny> I guess it did well for the most part.. just it over-considered taking the 60cost 2grow planet
2010-11-27T20:15:29  <virdo> I don't have any "proper" logic for that too... I just spam my fleet away, and if it can go through some neighbouring planet, it does... attacking from multiple planets I have, but not synchronized / no assurances, just fleet spam :)
2010-11-27T20:15:58  <virdo> so often I can send fleet at a neutral and not take it over :(
2010-11-27T20:16:26  <burny> ya, that's what I had before
2010-11-27T20:16:40  <burny> I decided to try and add some anti-snipe logic
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2010-11-27T20:16:48  <burny> and trying to debug the last couple things in it
2010-11-27T20:17:21  <burny> like, around turn 18.. it sends 58ships at the 47..
2010-11-27T20:17:35  <wh1teside_> Player B basically had that game until he made the fatal mistake of not existing
2010-11-27T20:17:39  <burny> I can't tell if that is the 'right' move or not
2010-11-27T20:18:30  <burny> lol, which one's player b?
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2010-11-27T20:19:54  <contestbot> Top 10 players: bocsimacko(3402), Manwe56(3345), thedreamer(3292), Doraj8(3286), smloh1(3270), bix0r4ever(3267), margoth(3248), dmj111(3227), george(3214), luksian(3194)
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2010-11-27T20:21:11  <wh1teside_> burny: sorry disregard that
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2010-11-27T20:33:08  <burny> like 4hours left to go? :\
2010-11-27T20:36:36  <Kingpin13> Yeah, don't remind me :P
2010-11-27T20:37:54  <wh1teside_> that time limit is making it kind of hard for me to design, code, and debug (and by that I mean pull out of my ass) a substantial game-changing strategy for my entry
2010-11-27T20:38:45  <Ken69267> my strategy is hope everyone else implements broken strategy the last minute :p
2010-11-27T20:38:52  <burny> rotfl
2010-11-27T20:39:06  <virdo> yeah, I made my first submit of the month.. had to purge some code that wouldn't run on the servers..
2010-11-27T20:39:43  <virdo> mostly did it to make sure bot still runs on official servers :)
2010-11-27T20:40:09  <burny> I've gota add 2 things still..
2010-11-27T20:40:14  <burny> making it re-enforce the front lines,
2010-11-27T20:40:46  <burny> and making it not over-shoot vulnerable planets(eg. don't send 200units to snipe something that's out of the way, if 10 is sufficient
2010-11-27T20:41:07  <Terr__> Operation Last-minute-pagerank-esque-algorithm is crashing and burning.
2010-11-27T20:41:31  <Terr__> I may submit a purposely-broken bot just to avoid embarassment.
2010-11-27T20:41:48  <Terr__> "Oh, it was a timeout, but except for a tiny bug it would've been good. Yeah. Seriously."
2010-11-27T20:42:11  <amstan> @rankings
2010-11-27T20:42:12  <contestbot> amstan: Top 10 players: bocsimacko(3402), Manwe56(3345), thedreamer(3292), Doraj8(3286), smloh1(3270), bix0r4ever(3267), margoth(3248), dmj111(3227), george(3214), luksian(3194)
2010-11-27T20:42:37  <amstan> ok... so we have a problem
2010-11-27T20:42:43  <amstan> this is jeff's status: Status: Away: Just discovered Boundless Planet. It's like Starcraft on an infinite map. SO COOL!
2010-11-27T20:42:56  <amstan> you know what that means
2010-11-27T20:43:01  <Terr__> Aw, for a minute I thought it'd mean a deadline extension ;)
2010-11-27T20:43:13  <Zannick> :<
2010-11-27T20:43:24  <amstan> it means he found minecraft!
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2010-11-27T20:44:28  <Terr__> I wasted so much pre-deadline time on minecraft :(
2010-11-27T20:44:30  <wh1teside_> someone letting air out of a tire?
2010-11-27T20:45:37  <Kingpin13> what time is the dead line in your guys' local times?
2010-11-27T20:45:55  <janzert> looks like the server hasn't caught fire yet :)
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2010-11-27T20:49:57  <j3camero> Excellent. Servers catching fire is the worst.
2010-11-27T20:50:18  <amstan> j3camero: so.. minecraft?
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2010-11-27T21:02:24  <antimatroid1> only a few hours now :)
2010-11-27T21:03:09  <aizu> Are we gonna party at 00:00?
2010-11-27T21:05:46  <Terr__> Kingpin13: There's a countdown...?
2010-11-27T21:06:10  <Terr__> I have to decide whether to go to a party in an hour or keep working for four. Hmmmm.
2010-11-27T21:06:47  <choas_> <-- going to bed ... 3 a.m. ... (3am eternal #klf)
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2010-11-27T21:09:27  <antimatroid1> sigh: back for game day? :)
2010-11-27T21:09:34  <sigh> :)
2010-11-27T21:09:44  <sigh> I didn't get a chance to improve my bt
2010-11-27T21:09:56  <antimatroid1> i (hopefully) did
2010-11-27T21:10:07  <sigh> I don't see your on the board yet
2010-11-27T21:10:09  <antimatroid1> it's climbing the rankings now, still making a couple of tweaks though
2010-11-27T21:10:18  <sigh> ah, ok
2010-11-27T21:10:18  <antimatroid1> http://ai-contest.com/profile.php?user_id=3945
2010-11-27T21:10:20  <sigh> good luck
2010-11-27T21:10:30  <antimatroid1> my username got reverted :P
2010-11-27T21:10:41  <sigh> heh
2010-11-27T21:11:04  <sigh> what else has been happening? I see that someone else is way out in front
2010-11-27T21:11:10  <amstan> wtf is up with the rankings?
2010-11-27T21:11:19  <amstan> @rankings
2010-11-27T21:11:21  <contestbot> amstan: Top 10 players: Manwe56(3421), Fill_the_Missing(3369), bocsimacko(3353), Doraj8(3320), george(3266), margoth(3245), dmj111(3233), luksian(3209), oldman(3200), asavis(3194)
2010-11-27T21:11:22  <antimatroid1> nah, it's just the last day and not enough results
2010-11-27T21:11:34  <antimatroid1> bocsi is still the best best that i know of
2010-11-27T21:11:36  <sigh> fair enough
2010-11-27T21:11:46  <antimatroid1> it'll be a pretty big upset for him to lose at this point
2010-11-27T21:11:51  <sigh> everyone is uploading their final build, I suppose
2010-11-27T21:12:08  <amstan> #learn http://ai-contest.com/game_stats.php as stats
2010-11-27T21:12:10  <antimatroid1> 1256 new submissions in the last 24 hours
2010-11-27T21:12:11  <amstan> @learn http://ai-contest.com/game_stats.php as stats
2010-11-27T21:12:11  <contestbot> amstan: Yep.
2010-11-27T21:12:15  <amstan> @stats
2010-11-27T21:12:15  <contestbot> amstan: I have 1 registered users with 0 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.
2010-11-27T21:12:22  <amstan> ugh..
2010-11-27T21:12:24  <amstan> @where stats
2010-11-27T21:12:24  <contestbot> amstan: I do not know about 'stats', but I do know about these similar topics: 'gamestats', 'http://ai-contest.com/game_stats.php'
2010-11-27T21:12:46  <amstan> @forget gamestats
2010-11-27T21:12:46  <contestbot> amstan: OK
2010-11-27T21:12:52  <amstan> @learn http://ai-contest.com/game_stats.php as gamestats
2010-11-27T21:12:52  <contestbot> amstan: Yes master!
2010-11-27T21:12:54  <amstan> @gamestats
2010-11-27T21:12:55  <contestbot> amstan: An error occured while trying to show the previous error.
2010-11-27T21:12:59  <amstan> ...
2010-11-27T21:13:02  <amstan> @where gamestats
2010-11-27T21:13:02  <contestbot> amstan: Error: No factoid matches that key.
2010-11-27T21:13:07  <sigh> @url gamestats
2010-11-27T21:13:07  <contestbot> sigh: Error: No factoid matches that key.
2010-11-27T21:13:10  <amstan> @help learn
2010-11-27T21:13:10  <contestbot> amstan: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
2010-11-27T21:13:20  <aizu> @gamestats
2010-11-27T21:13:21  <contestbot> aizu: I have no idea what you mean.
2010-11-27T21:13:28  <amstan> i am confused.. what does learn do
2010-11-27T21:13:32  <amstan> @help factoid
2010-11-27T21:13:32  <contestbot> amstan: Error: There is no command "factoid".
2010-11-27T21:13:35  <amstan> @help factoids
2010-11-27T21:13:35  <contestbot> amstan: Error: There is no command "factoids".
2010-11-27T21:14:04  <sigh> haha
2010-11-27T21:14:05  <amstan> @forget http://ai-contest.com/game_stats.php
2010-11-27T21:14:05  <contestbot> amstan: Error: 2 factoids have that key.  Please specify which one to remove, or use * to designate all of them.
2010-11-27T21:14:06  <sigh> @url http://ai-contest.com/game_stats.php
2010-11-27T21:14:06  <contestbot> sigh: http://ai-contest.com/game_stats.php = (#1) stats, or (#2) gamestats
2010-11-27T21:14:10  <sigh> FAIL
2010-11-27T21:14:15  <amstan> @learn gamestats as http://ai-contest.com/game_stats.php
2010-11-27T21:14:15  <contestbot> amstan: Ready to serve, my lord.
2010-11-27T21:14:19  <amstan> @learn stats as http://ai-contest.com/game_stats.php
2010-11-27T21:14:19  <contestbot> amstan: I come to serve.
2010-11-27T21:14:19  <sigh> :D
2010-11-27T21:14:21  <amstan> there
2010-11-27T21:14:32  <amstan> @stats
2010-11-27T21:14:32  <contestbot> amstan: I have 1 registered users with 0 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.
2010-11-27T21:14:36  <amstan> @gamestats
2010-11-27T21:14:37  <contestbot> amstan: gamestats = http://ai-contest.com/game_stats.php
2010-11-27T21:15:12  <janzert> @http://ai-contest.com/game_stats.php
2010-11-27T21:15:12  <contestbot> janzert: http://ai-contest.com/game_stats.php = (#1) stats, or (#2) gamestats
2010-11-27T21:15:18  <janzert> :P
2010-11-27T21:15:22  <sigh> :)
2010-11-27T21:15:40  <amstan> wait.. still
2010-11-27T21:15:47  <amstan> @forget http://ai-contest.com/game_stats.php
2010-11-27T21:15:47  <contestbot> amstan: Error: 2 factoids have that key.  Please specify which one to remove, or use * to designate all of them.
2010-11-27T21:15:52  <amstan> @forget http://ai-contest.com/game_stats.php *
2010-11-27T21:15:52  <contestbot> amstan: OK
2010-11-27T21:16:03  <sigh> @http://ai-contest.com/game_stats.php
2010-11-27T21:16:04  <contestbot> sigh: I have no idea what you mean.
2010-11-27T21:16:12  <amstan> @sigh
2010-11-27T21:16:12  <contestbot> i know...
2010-11-27T21:16:45  <sigh> so... anyone know where I can find the game stats?
2010-11-27T21:16:52  <antimatroid1> aha
2010-11-27T21:16:56  <amstan> oh man... i forgot
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2010-11-27T21:17:12  <amstan> sigh: you're on your own there
2010-11-27T21:17:29  <sigh> :P
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2010-11-27T21:19:55  <contestbot> Top 10 players: Manwe56(3421), Fill_the_Missing(3369), bocsimacko(3353), Doraj8(3320), george(3266), margoth(3245), dmj111(3233), luksian(3209), oldman(3200), asavis(3194)
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2010-11-27T21:27:12  <Terr__> Well, I won my first TCP match... enemy timed out :D
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2010-11-27T21:42:34  <Terr__> What are the O and I marks from the TCP server indicative of?
2010-11-27T21:44:21  <burny> hm.. not bad: http://www.ai-contest.com/visualizer.php?game_id=8839788
2010-11-27T21:45:01  <janzert> Terr__: next to the win or loss indication? 'I' means invalid order not sure what 'O' stands for
2010-11-27T21:45:29  <Error323> 3 houurs
2010-11-27T21:46:49  <Terr__> So if I see either, it means something's awry with my bot... hm.
2010-11-27T21:47:00  <Terr__> timeout?
2010-11-27T21:47:22  <janzert> timeout is 'T' I'm pretty sure
2010-11-27T21:48:15  <Zannick> if you look at your player page on the server it should have a key
2010-11-27T21:48:18  <Zannick> at the bottom
2010-11-27T21:48:26  <amstan> rain!
2010-11-27T21:48:44  <Error323> @time
2010-11-27T21:48:44  <contestbot> Error323: 09:48 PM, November 27, 2010
2010-11-27T21:48:45  <janzert> snow! here :(
2010-11-27T21:48:54  <Zannick> you're probably misreading 'D' as 'O'
2010-11-27T21:49:00  <antimatroid1> summer here :)
2010-11-27T21:50:09  <Error323> antimatroid1: shush
2010-11-27T21:50:24  <Error323> freakin freezing here
2010-11-27T21:50:41  <antimatroid1> it's a nice blue sky outside here :P
2010-11-27T21:50:54  <Error323> damn
2010-11-27T21:51:01  <Error323> well its night here ehe
2010-11-27T21:51:05  <Error323> 3:47
2010-11-27T21:51:39  <Terr__> Zannick: no..
2010-11-27T21:51:42  <Terr__>    Turn   5: 8 9 4        OI
2010-11-27T21:51:47  <Terr__> Not a D...
2010-11-27T21:52:06  <Terr__> It's coming back on a turn-per-turn (intermittent) basis
2010-11-27T21:52:10  <Zannick> oh, you're not talking about on the game thing.
2010-11-27T21:52:13  <Error323> im freaking 182 atm
2010-11-27T21:52:15  <Error323> wtffffffff
2010-11-27T21:52:15  <Zannick> i have no idea what that is
2010-11-27T21:52:23  <Terr__> Also things like:
2010-11-27T21:52:24  <Terr__>    Turn  10: 28 7 1        OIOIOIOIOI     Turn  15: 24 1 1             Turn  15: 29 1 11             Turn  15: 28 1 25
2010-11-27T21:52:33  <Error323> antimatroid1: whats ur rank currently?
2010-11-27T21:52:34  <Terr__> er, newlines got bashed there, but it's saying OIOIOIOI for some reason
2010-11-27T21:53:16  <Terr__> I've got some client-side checks for invalid orders, so I'm just confused.
2010-11-27T21:53:27  <antimatroid1> Error323: just above 200, it just lost a game before
2010-11-27T21:53:33  <antimatroid1> it had to climb right from the bottom though
2010-11-27T21:53:40  <Zannick> if it's always "OI" and not just "O" or "I" then i'd presume it means "order invalid"
2010-11-27T21:53:55  <antimatroid1> i'm still tweaking and plan to make one final submission yet though
2010-11-27T21:54:06  <Terr__> My client debug says it is sending 9 orders
2010-11-27T21:54:09  <Terr__> and 9 orders come out...
2010-11-27T21:54:18  <Terr__> With leftover on the planet,mind you
2010-11-27T21:55:04  <Terr__> Correction, no leftover on the planet by design, that 5 is later growth
2010-11-27T21:55:13  <Terr__> Anyway, I'm not sure what the message is here.
2010-11-27T21:55:42  <janzert> Terr__: take a look at your player page on the tcp server to verify if you are losing games by invalid orders or such
2010-11-27T21:56:31  <j3camero> Hey Janzert. I see the servers are not on fire. This is a good thing.
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2010-11-27T21:56:44  <Terr__> janzert: One is marked as a timeout, but long before the timout I'm getting these OIOIOIOIOI bizarro-things
2010-11-27T21:57:03  <Error323> so guys what the final recepy for the finals with the cutoff and all
2010-11-27T21:57:04  <janzert> j3camero: hehe, yes. The compile daemon is even mostly keeping up
2010-11-27T21:57:30  <janzert> compile queue in the past hour hasn't gone above 10 that I've seen
2010-11-27T21:57:50  <Terr__> janzert: Does the TCP server give you some "freebie" timouts/invalid orders and then kills your bot later?
2010-11-27T21:58:11  <janzert> Terr__: not that I know of, but I really don't have any experience with it
2010-11-27T21:58:36  <antimatroid1> pretty sure it doesn't have anything like that
2010-11-27T21:59:03  <antimatroid1> Terr__: in your make move function, are you checking source != dest, and ships > 0?
2010-11-27T21:59:05  <Terr__> Maybe it's just some bizarro interleaved-stdout stuff.
2010-11-27T21:59:39  <Terr__> antimatroid1: Bunch of other stuff too. :/
2010-11-27T22:05:59  <Ken69267> ooo
2010-11-27T22:06:08  <Ken69267> my bot just beat someone 400 rank higher than me
2010-11-27T22:09:40  <Terr__> varrehnice
2010-11-27T22:09:55  <burny> ok, think my bot is good now, I just need to add somethign to make it re-enforce the front ranks :\
2010-11-27T22:12:33  <Terr__> I really wish I had time to refit this with fuzzy logic instead of a lot of nasty hand-tuning
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2010-11-27T22:19:08  <CryBaby> If only my planets would work together: http://ai-contest.com/visualizer.php?game_id=8824434
2010-11-27T22:19:16  <CryBaby> too late now...
2010-11-27T22:19:30  <Terr__> It's OK, because when you lose
2010-11-27T22:19:40  <Terr__> your planets will remember their frontier spirit against the hegemonic oppressor
2010-11-27T22:19:56  <Ken69267> lol
2010-11-27T22:19:57  <contestbot> Top 10 players: Manwe56(3452), asavis(3374), bocsimacko(3367), margoth(3340), Fill_the_Missing(3298), Doraj8(3270), GreenTea(3266), dmj111(3240), george(3236), bix0r4ever(3229)
2010-11-27T22:20:00  <Terr__> And rise up in guerilla warfare and overthrow the staid and unimaginative overlords and re-establish some sort of confederacy.
2010-11-27T22:20:06  <Ken69267> at least you won
2010-11-27T22:20:24  <Terr__> Or some other Confederate-Reenactment / Firefly / Starcraft 2 theme
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2010-11-27T22:24:08  <Terr__> I still don't have a clue what the OIOIOI business is with the TCP server
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2010-11-27T22:32:09  <wh1teside_> probably some sort of hardcore punk movement expressing dissatisfaction with the galactic status quo
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2010-11-27T22:36:51  <Terr__> wh1teside_: Great, now I imagine all the little fleet indicators being propelled by puffs of gas that are audibly expressed as Unt-ss, unt-ss, unt-ss
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2010-11-27T22:42:08  <wh1teside_> for me it was always more of a "pew! pew pew pew pew!"
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2010-11-27T23:16:47  <CryBaby> The visualizer on 72.44.46.68/canvas doesn't update frames while playing. Ubuntu Firefox 3.6.12
2010-11-27T23:19:57  <contestbot> Top 10 players: _iouri_(3422), asavis(3408), bocsimacko(3375), Slin-.-(3305), _Astek_(3290), GreenTea(3290), dmj111(3254), margoth(3252), Fill_the_Missing(3248), bix0r4ever(3204)
2010-11-27T23:32:42  <burny> bunch of new people in top10, and not too much seperation
2010-11-27T23:32:48  <burny> should be a tight finish
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2010-11-27T23:41:53  <amstan> silence before the storm
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2010-11-27T23:42:24  <sigh> @predict
2010-11-27T23:42:24  <contestbot> I predict that jmcarthur will win!
2010-11-27T23:42:28  <antimatroid1> we have an hour right?
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2010-11-27T23:42:33  <burny> hour, ya
2010-11-27T23:42:50  <antimatroid1> i terribly had a new idea for my tree which seems to be better
2010-11-27T23:42:56  <antimatroid1> so i'm frantically testing it
2010-11-27T23:43:20  <burny> my bot is now way better, except one crucial factor.. it needs to re-enforce the front lines properly
2010-11-27T23:43:38  <burny> before, it would just try to attack the enemy, and stop by the front lines on it's way
2010-11-27T23:43:54  <burny> but I fixed it so it doesn't try to attack so retardly anymore
2010-11-27T23:44:37  <antimatroid1> redistribution is easy if you ahve "closest enemies" calculated
2010-11-27T23:45:02  <antimatroid1> then send like max 3*planets growth to closest planet thats closer to the enemy
2010-11-27T23:45:13  <antimatroid1> or i minimise the distance from source to redist to dest
2010-11-27T23:45:43  <burny> ya, it's easy to get the ships to there..
2010-11-27T23:45:51  <burny> it's trying to figure out which ships to send, and how many
2010-11-27T23:46:06  <antimatroid1> ^^ i  just use the hack of up to 3* that planets growth
2010-11-27T23:46:13  <burny> I don't want it to be making all attacks on neutrals, from whatever planet is closest to enemy
2010-11-27T23:46:19  <antimatroid1> that way it feeds down to nothing (excepting planets sending more in)
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2010-11-27T23:50:00  <burny> think I mighta figured out atleast a half-assed way
2010-11-27T23:50:41  <Ken69267> if (moonIsAligned) { blitzkrieg(); } ;)
2010-11-27T23:52:40  * janzert wonders if anyone put in behavior changes for there bot that kick in only once the finals start
2010-11-27T23:53:07  <janzert> I don't think there is really any good reason to do it but also wouldn't be surprised if someone has done it
2010-11-27T23:53:07  <burny> doubt it
2010-11-27T23:53:20  <burny> easier to just commit a new bot at deadline
2010-11-27T23:54:38  <antimatroid1> hmmm, i think i'm going to take a huge gamble and upload this other one
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2010-11-27T23:55:14  <antimatroid1> it's basically just doing each layer, picking the best path, and expanding on that
2010-11-27T23:55:24  <antimatroid1> rather than doing all layers then picking the best path
2010-11-27T23:57:22  <davidjliu> urg. my bot confuses me
2010-11-27T23:57:41  <Ken69267> heh
2010-11-27T23:57:53  <wh1teside_> my bot simulates two ply...
2010-11-27T23:57:56  <wh1teside_> ...toilet paper.
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2010-11-27T23:58:06  <davidjliu> ha.. nice
2010-11-27T23:58:09  <burny> rotfl
2010-11-27T23:58:13  <rebelxt_> haha
2010-11-27T23:58:19  <wh1teside_> the resemblance is uncanny
2010-11-27T23:59:08  <janzert> This is your 1 hour warning
2010-11-27T23:59:10  <janzert> :)
2010-11-27T23:59:10  <rebelxt_> last minute scoring function tweaks can't be bad, right? ;-)
2010-11-27T23:59:21  <phreeza_> hehe
2010-11-27T23:59:33  <phreeza_> rebelxt_: thats what i'm doing, blindly
2010-11-27T23:59:54  <phreeza_> i'm ranking so low, it can't really get worse