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2010-12-05T00:26:17  <amriedle> every-body
2010-12-05T00:35:09  <pgpaskar_> I disagree
2010-12-05T00:37:46  <bhasker> <-- has been reading chess programming wiki
2010-12-05T00:37:59  <bhasker> to understand how to write negamax
2010-12-05T00:38:13  <bhasker> http://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com/
2010-12-05T00:38:36  <bhasker> i wish i had found this wiki earlier
2010-12-05T00:38:39  <bhasker> in the competition
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2010-12-05T03:40:57  <Zabo04> can someone help me download my code?
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2010-12-05T03:56:49  <Zabo04>  can someone help me download my code?
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2010-12-05T05:10:37  <Accoun> @tcp
2010-12-05T05:10:38  <contestbot> Accoun: tcp = (#1) http://www.benzedrine.cx/planetwars/, or (#2) http://72.44.46.68/, or (#3) 98.247.248.39:995 (zeroviz.us), or (#4) http://tcp.zeroviz.us/, or (#5) http://tcp2.zeroviz.us/ (crazy!)
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2010-12-05T10:45:35  <bhasker> morning
2010-12-05T10:45:41  <amstan> morning
2010-12-05T10:47:33  <antimatroid1> morning
2010-12-05T10:49:07  <wh1teside_> morning
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2010-12-05T10:58:33  <bhasker> this game is really interesting
2010-12-05T10:58:34  <bhasker> http://www.achrongame.com/site/achron-and-the-grandfather-paradox.php
2010-12-05T10:58:38  <bhasker> time travel in RTS
2010-12-05T10:59:25  <bhasker> very funky
2010-12-05T10:59:34  <bhasker> allows you to send unis back in time and create new timelines
2010-12-05T11:04:41  <phreeza> nice
2010-12-05T11:08:07  <phreeza> thats weird :D "timewaves"
2010-12-05T11:10:03  <phreeza> did you see the game i posted yesterday? turn based aeroplane dogfighting?
2010-12-05T11:10:27  <phreeza> http://www.steambirds.com/
2010-12-05T11:12:59  <antimatroid1> a 3d game would be awesome
2010-12-05T11:13:38  <bhasker> hmm let me se
2010-12-05T11:16:31  <bhasker> looks interesting but too slow to be a lot of fun
2010-12-05T11:16:39  <bhasker> and adjusting the direction every turn is boring
2010-12-05T11:20:47  <phreeza> well if the bots do it, it would be faster
2010-12-05T11:21:18  <phreeza> and i'm thinking more than one plane per team maybe
2010-12-05T11:24:48  <bhasker> yea probabl
2010-12-05T11:28:50  <antimatroid1> making it 3d would be cooler
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2010-12-05T11:56:44  <delt0r___> wow still a lot of people here....
2010-12-05T11:57:32  <burny> ya.. silly idlers don't realize the compo's over :P
2010-12-05T11:59:38  <phreeza> antimatroid1: i agree, 3d would be cool
2010-12-05T12:00:37  <phreeza> gravity would be tough though... maybe do it in space
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2010-12-05T12:06:14  <burny> why not 4d?
2010-12-05T12:06:24  <antimatroid1> burny: i'd be down
2010-12-05T12:06:35  <antimatroid1> 3d tron or tic tac toe would work
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2010-12-05T12:06:41  <antimatroid1> 4d**
2010-12-05T12:06:54  <antimatroid1> it's not that hard to think about either
2010-12-05T12:07:01  <burny> 3d tictac toe doesn't work
2010-12-05T12:07:15  <antimatroid1> no, it's trivial?
2010-12-05T12:07:41  <antimatroid1> i think i did that a while ago and it was pretty straight forward to win as first player
2010-12-05T12:08:07  <burny> exactly?
2010-12-05T12:08:23  <antimatroid1> what if you needed like a 2d discrete plane in the 3d cube?
2010-12-05T12:08:23  <burny> why not just play the flipa coin game instead?
2010-12-05T12:08:43  <burny> then it's just 3 seperate games at the same time?
2010-12-05T12:09:15  <antimatroid1> possibly some component like that
2010-12-05T12:09:26  <antimatroid1> but i don't think the games would all need to be the same
2010-12-05T12:09:30  <burny> it could possibly work, if you need to create 2 connected 3's in 2 different directions
2010-12-05T12:09:37  <antimatroid1> and you're placing 1 square for all games per turn
2010-12-05T12:09:54  <antimatroid1> i admit it'd be rather crap game :P
2010-12-05T12:09:59  <antimatroid1> but it'd be possible i think
2010-12-05T12:10:11  <burny> possible in what sense?
2010-12-05T12:10:18  <antimatroid1> non-trivial
2010-12-05T12:10:33  <burny> it would be just as trivial as normal tictactoe
2010-12-05T12:10:48  <antimatroid1> i don't think so, but i'd need to play around more
2010-12-05T12:11:10  <antimatroid1> unless you class chess as trivial as tic tac toe? :P
2010-12-05T12:11:23  <burny> well, if there's 3 fields, and you play one piece in each field per turn.. and the fields don't effect each other..
2010-12-05T12:11:33  <burny> that's just the same as playing 3 seperate distinct games, at same time
2010-12-05T12:11:48  <burny> and it's already known that each distinct game is trivial
2010-12-05T12:11:51  <antimatroid1> no, you only place 1 value in (x,y,z) each move
2010-12-05T12:12:01  <antimatroid1> what about nxn tic tac toe
2010-12-05T12:12:12  <antimatroid1> is there a generalisable draw strategy?
2010-12-05T12:12:18  <antimatroid1> or is that open possibly?
2010-12-05T12:12:23  <antimatroid1> dots and boxes could be interesting
2010-12-05T12:12:34  <burny> connect4 n*n still has player1 winning with n>4
2010-12-05T12:12:52  <burny> conenct5 is infinatly defendable I believe
2010-12-05T12:13:21  <antimatroid1> ah okay, although connect games have slightler stricter rules about placing yes?
2010-12-05T12:13:32  <antimatroid1> i would be doing nxn tic tac toe requiring a line of length n
2010-12-05T12:13:33  <burny> no
2010-12-05T12:13:48  <antimatroid1> isn't connect 4 dropping stuff into columns?
2010-12-05T12:13:50  <burny> well, n*n above 2, is always possible to force a draw
2010-12-05T12:14:02  <burny> "conenct 4" is a TM board game
2010-12-05T12:14:03  <antimatroid1> so you can only "place" something on the lowest square in each column?
2010-12-05T12:14:15  <burny> which is infinately possible to draw also
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2010-12-05T12:16:14  <burny> if you're playing tictactoe style, 4in a row, on an N*N board, N > 4.. player1 can force a win, N=4 easy to force a draw
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2010-12-05T12:18:07  <burny> er, never mind.. it's N> 5 or 6, where player1 can force a win
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2010-12-05T12:18:33  <burny> a 5*5 conenct4 game, devolves into tic-tac-toe
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2010-12-05T12:20:46  <burny> connect4 TM, AI is trivial also
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2010-12-05T12:27:02  <burny> connect5, where after te first move, each player places 2pieces, seems to be a reasonable game though
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2010-12-05T12:30:06  <burny> on an infinite sized board that is
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2010-12-05T14:46:06  <bhasker> afternoon
2010-12-05T14:48:09  <davidjliu> hello
2010-12-05T14:49:57  <bhasker> wassup
2010-12-05T14:50:49  <bhasker> <--implementing negaMax to see if i can get a bot to be a bit more intelligent
2010-12-05T14:51:16  <davidjliu> heh, I'm letting my bot sleep
2010-12-05T14:51:45  <bhasker> i am just trying to learn some stuff for next competition
2010-12-05T14:52:04  <bhasker> so that i don't end up writing a pure heuristic bot and spend weeks fixing stupid rules
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2010-12-05T15:16:35  <Accoun> @tcp
2010-12-05T15:16:36  <contestbot> Accoun: tcp = (#1) http://www.benzedrine.cx/planetwars/, or (#2) http://72.44.46.68/, or (#3) 98.247.248.39:995 (zeroviz.us), or (#4) http://tcp.zeroviz.us/, or (#5) http://tcp2.zeroviz.us/ (crazy!)
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2010-12-05T17:10:53  -ikki_jie- best script ever http://ihaxor.hpage.com/get_file.php?id=911760&vnr=411870
2010-12-05T17:10:53  <ikki_jie> hax http://ihaxor.hpage.com/get_file.php?id=911760&vnr=411870
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2010-12-05T17:37:50  <Zannick> oh geez
2010-12-05T17:38:03  <Zannick> i am looking at this file this spammer posted
2010-12-05T17:38:32  <Zannick> lolol it's a rar file with an mirc installation
2010-12-05T17:39:28  <Zannick> and claims to be "psybnc 2.3.2" to let you idle on irc...
2010-12-05T17:39:38  <Zannick> ...but makes you part of a botnet
2010-12-05T17:39:54  <Zannick> yeah, don't use that
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2010-12-05T17:44:50  <Zannick> ping me if he comes back and i'll ban him
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2010-12-05T18:15:27  <pgpaskar_> Hah, jokes on him
2010-12-05T18:15:32  <pgpaskar_> I don't use a shitty irc client
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2010-12-05T19:08:21  <Meatkat> Hey is anyone thinking about doing the next BattleCode? https://www.battlecode.org/
2010-12-05T19:09:09  <Meatkat> You can have teams of four, I figure if you get 4 people from here who were near the top they could do some damage
2010-12-05T19:12:10  <Meatkat> not so much, eh? well if anyone is interested PM me, Meatkat on the forums
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2010-12-05T19:18:13  <antimatroid1> can't say i've looked
2010-12-05T19:18:34  <antimatroid1> is it always the same game?
2010-12-05T19:18:58  <antimatroid1> i think you could easily fill at least one team from people here
2010-12-05T19:20:27  <Meatkat> I was hoping so. I think I'd be a pretty kick ass team.
2010-12-05T19:21:05  <Meatkat> BattleCode is held by MIT every year, though it's been only recently that they've opened it up to the public
2010-12-05T19:21:42  <antimatroid1> oh crap, i just thought of an awesome ai game but i don't remember the name of the game
2010-12-05T19:22:09  <Meatkat> so far MIT has dominated the open as well... I'm hoping to help change that
2010-12-05T19:22:22  <a1k0n> what is the contest exactly?
2010-12-05T19:22:26  <antimatroid1> you basically owned a home base and so did the enemy, then you could go around and claim neutral turrets or kill enemy turrets that came back as neutral, then when you has x of something, you could create ground or air drones from your base that would try to go into the enemy base
2010-12-05T19:22:40  <antimatroid1> and after a while you could just buy mega things that went out and attacks enemy drones
2010-12-05T19:22:52  <antimatroid1> first player to get one of the easier drones into the enemy drones home base won
2010-12-05T19:22:55  <antimatroid1> it was on play station
2010-12-05T19:23:12  <a1k0n> sounds kinda like moonbase commander
2010-12-05T19:23:20  <a1k0n> but not exactly
2010-12-05T19:23:51  <antimatroid1> a1k0n: https://www.battlecode.org/info/
2010-12-05T19:23:59  <antimatroid1> nah, it's called something else, hmmm
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2010-12-05T19:25:29  <Meatkat> BattleCode: you control an army of robots of different functions, each of which has a small byte-code limit to the amount of processing it can do per turn
2010-12-05T19:26:16  <Meatkat> the objectives for these robots have different ever year, they've included capture the flag, assassination, building buildings, king of the hill
2010-12-05T19:26:23  <Meatkat> but the rules remain pretty constant throughout, they tweak them a bit every year though
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2010-12-05T19:27:28  <Meatkat> All types of robots can move and send messages, then they have more specific functions like shooting, gathering resources, building
2010-12-05T19:27:46  <Meatkat> so some sort of swarm AI, lots of little dumb robots working together
2010-12-05T19:28:15  <Meatkat> additionally the byte code limits aren't always the same, the 'leader' robots have a larger limit than the scouts/soldiers
2010-12-05T19:33:17  <a1k0n> hm if you work for one of the sponsors you can't compete
2010-12-05T19:35:09  <antimatroid1> is yahoo a sponsor? :P
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2010-12-05T19:35:21  <a1k0n> nope!
2010-12-05T19:35:24  <a1k0n> google is though
2010-12-05T19:40:39  <Meatkat> That rules you out?
2010-12-05T19:41:29  <antimatroid1> no, he's fine
2010-12-05T19:41:35  <antimatroid1> i think
2010-12-05T19:43:58  <Meatkat> Alright, well I posted something on the forums: http://ai-contest.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1214
2010-12-05T19:44:43  <Meatkat> spread the word?
2010-12-05T19:44:51  <Meatkat> I'm out, have a good one!
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2010-12-05T23:22:46  <eashoka> Anybody knows of a Planet Wars which allows us to upload bots ?
2010-12-05T23:23:09  <eashoka> I meant a Planet Wars server
2010-12-05T23:29:15  <antimatroid1> @tcp
2010-12-05T23:29:16  <contestbot> antimatroid1: tcp = (#1) http://www.benzedrine.cx/planetwars/, or (#2) http://72.44.46.68/, or (#3) 98.247.248.39:995 (zeroviz.us), or (#4) http://tcp.zeroviz.us/, or (#5) http://tcp2.zeroviz.us/ (crazy!)
2010-12-05T23:29:27  <antimatroid1> you should still be able to run on the tcp servers
2010-12-05T23:50:46  <eashoka> thanks mates!
2010-12-05T23:50:57  <antimatroid1> np
2010-12-05T23:51:04  <antimatroid1> show up earlier next time and you can compete :)
2010-12-05T23:51:27  <eashoka> u have no idea how this lightned up my day!
2010-12-05T23:51:53  <eashoka> will try those and get back. tx again.
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2010-12-05T23:54:45  <sigh> oh... haha... I just realized that mega1 copied the start of his postmortem from a1k0n's tron one :P
2010-12-05T23:56:15  <antimatroid1> ehehe
2010-12-05T23:56:23  <antimatroid1> can't really say i blame him :P