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I see 2010-12-09T06:00:48 so you can't actually tell what turn you are on? 2010-12-09T06:01:06 well, you can almost be sure I guess 2010-12-09T06:01:15 ^^ that sounds horribl 2010-12-09T06:01:16 e 2010-12-09T06:01:32 call Clock.getRoundNum() and Clock.getByteCodeNum() 2010-12-09T06:02:41 ah, they have a getRoundNum() method 2010-12-09T06:03:14 you guys would know this better than me, if bots are fed the state incrementally (so given a full second each), is it possible to ensure that one bot doesn't do anything on the cpu in it's "off" time? 2010-12-09T06:03:16 one must be clever about comparing bytecodenum and the number of bytecodes it takes to the the test ... 2010-12-09T06:03:59 antimatroid1: for battlecode? battlecode doesn't use time 2010-12-09T06:04:14 it uses count of bytecodes executed 2010-12-09T06:05:41 sigh: no i mean for this contest 2010-12-09T06:05:43 http://www.ai-contest.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1218 2010-12-09T06:05:58 see there for context, the last post is the relevant part 2010-12-09T06:06:34 like, when both waits are run, can it be like 2010-12-09T06:06:34 feed info to bot 1 while bot 2 is in some wait function, etc. 2010-12-09T06:06:35 if they have their own process then "kill -STOP" should do it 2010-12-09T06:06:43 then kill -CONT 2010-12-09T06:07:15 i take it you both agree that bots should get a full second to themselves? 2010-12-09T06:07:28 or whatever the turn limit is, i'd rather they half if and guaranteed me always a half 2010-12-09T06:07:34 halve* 2010-12-09T06:08:05 sure that's reasonable 2010-12-09T06:08:06 yes, cpu time 2010-12-09T06:08:30 but if multiple games are running, then they won't *really* have the cpu to themselves :P 2010-12-09T06:08:44 my point is i want to restrict that :P 2010-12-09T06:08:48 one game per core 2010-12-09T06:08:57 fair enough 2010-12-09T06:09:12 it's currently 2 games per server at a time, with 2 cores per server 2010-12-09T06:09:14 you can run more than one if cpu time is measured, no? 2010-12-09T06:09:41 * antimatroid1 has no idea about this stuff, i really shouldn't be the one to work it out, but if no one else does... 2010-12-09T06:09:58 yeah, I haven't had to micro-manage time like this before, either 2010-12-09T06:11:30 the reason for using wall clock could have been lack of language support for cpu time based timeouts 2010-12-09T06:12:10 if that's the case then STOP/CONT can still work if given a separate core. 2010-12-09T06:13:25 mega1: how does the engine monitor cpu time of the players? 2010-12-09T06:13:59 i don't think the engine should rely on the machine having two cores 2010-12-09T06:14:16 it'd certainly make testing a lot harder for me 2010-12-09T06:14:41 sigh: maybe getrusage(RUSAGE_CHILDREN) ... if they don't run at the same time 2010-12-09T06:14:54 *** Palmik has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T06:15:04 no, that doesn't work. 2010-12-09T06:15:12 i don't get what cpu time is? 2010-12-09T06:15:16 i understand wall clock 2010-12-09T06:15:20 because it only takes into account terminated children 2010-12-09T06:15:21 *** aerique has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T06:16:17 maybe linux process accounting is fine grained enough. 2010-12-09T06:16:25 antimatroid1: how much time the CPU spent processing instructions for your program :P 2010-12-09T06:16:47 well derrr :P, i want that one 2010-12-09T06:16:50 mega1: ah cool, didn't know there were functions like that 2010-12-09T06:17:31 but as I said above getrusage doesn't help us here. 2010-12-09T06:18:23 ah "terminated and waited-for children" ojnly 2010-12-09T06:18:31 yes 2010-12-09T06:19:17 even if linux process accounting works it's problematic because it's linux specific 2010-12-09T06:19:19 i think starter packages should come with timers too where possible 2010-12-09T06:19:32 and people want the engine to run on all kinds of OSes. 2010-12-09T06:21:18 STOP/CONT is posix, another solution is needed for windows 2010-12-09T06:21:30 this is a hack, but the engine I wrote to do my own testing had a --serial option because my machine only has one core. 2010-12-09T06:21:45 other OSs aren't as much of a problem, I think... it doesn't need to be completely accurate if it is not the main contest 2010-12-09T06:22:05 it has to at least work though? how far off would it be? 2010-12-09T06:22:07 dmj111: did you enforce that the inactive bot actually does nothing? 2010-12-09T06:22:40 that's what STOP/CONT should accomplish. 2010-12-09T06:23:37 STOP can't be caught, right? 2010-12-09T06:24:00 mega1: I see now..... it was cooperative, so I did nothing :) 2010-12-09T06:24:21 sigh: right 2010-12-09T06:24:41 thought so, that would be a very silly loophole :P 2010-12-09T06:25:06 yeah, i don't think people have really bothered with that kind of stuff so far, but ideally it shouldn't be possible 2010-12-09T06:26:26 well, even wall-clock with STOP/CONT would be at least as good as what happened in this contest 2010-12-09T06:27:28 yep, i don't like how it's done now at all 2010-12-09T06:29:39 what about a kind of multiplayer cellular automata game? start with symmetric maps, then allow players to place up to x squares of their colour each turn that are blank, then iterate with the set rules? 2010-12-09T06:29:59 i guess that's a fairly obvious minimax game 2010-12-09T06:30:52 *** Palmik has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2010-12-09T06:35:13 antimatroid1: just make the map big enough :) 2010-12-09T06:38:00 *** perror has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T06:47:55 awww... greentea did what looks like a fairly detailed blog post, but it's all in russian :( 2010-12-09T06:59:04 google translate is your friend? 2010-12-09T06:59:13 <3 chrome for having it inbuilt 2010-12-09T07:08:31 *** dmj111 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2010-12-09T07:10:35 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T07:11:55 is looking at the code for the website and remembering why up til now i've had absolutely no interest in making websites 2010-12-09T07:12:43 website of contest? :) 2010-12-09T07:12:48 yeah 2010-12-09T07:13:00 oh yeah, a code is horrible :) 2010-12-09T07:13:27 * Naktibalda did some fixes 3 months ago 2010-12-09T07:14:45 yeah, I don't particularly like working with websites 2010-12-09T07:15:01 although, to be fair, you are looking at PHP code, right? 2010-12-09T07:15:19 yeah 2010-12-09T07:15:29 one can just write websites in python yeah? 2010-12-09T07:15:40 i think they want to rewrite the entire website too 2010-12-09T07:15:43 yeah, you can 2010-12-09T07:15:59 how many people worked on this project? it's a mixture of java, python and php, at least :) 2010-12-09T07:16:00 PHP is just easier to set up and get started with 2010-12-09T07:16:15 but if you thought java was bad... wait till you get into PHP :P 2010-12-09T07:16:26 i don't particularly want to :P 2010-12-09T07:16:38 i'm hoping everything will be done in python 2010-12-09T07:17:19 my impression of web design is just a bunch of hackish code, getting more and more horrible the longer a particular project has been going 2010-12-09T07:17:43 isn't that how all software works? :P 2010-12-09T07:17:56 i don't know :P 2010-12-09T07:18:02 never written a proper piece of software in my life 2010-12-09T07:22:36 http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004EEOLIU?ie=UTF8&force-full-site=1 2010-12-09T07:22:37 ehehehe 2010-12-09T07:24:47 * Naktibalda didn't new this meaning of cable untill this scandal 2010-12-09T07:24:57 3 b : cablegram; also : a radio message or telegram 2010-12-09T07:25:04 is it this meaning? 2010-12-09T07:27:39 no, it means a length of 200 yards 2010-12-09T07:35:59 *** p4p4 has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T07:44:35 *** aerique has quit IRC (Quit: ...) 2010-12-09T07:46:34 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2010-12-09T08:02:40 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T08:06:51 *** smellyhippy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2010-12-09T08:12:20 *** smellyhippy has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T08:12:21 *** smellyhippy has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T08:14:28 *** amstan_ has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T08:14:29 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan_ 2010-12-09T08:16:25 *** Palmik has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T08:17:43 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2010-12-09T08:18:36 let me read greentea in russian 2010-12-09T08:19:02 *** smellyhippy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2010-12-09T08:21:56 *** smellyhippy has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T08:21:56 *** smellyhippy has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T08:23:31 http://brunneng.blogspot.com/2010/12/google-ai-challenge-2010-planet-wars.html ??? 2010-12-09T08:25:00 yes 2010-12-09T08:25:13 google translates bot from russian to "boat" 2010-12-09T08:27:31 "debaging" must be the inverse of bagging 2010-12-09T08:28:35 i do enjoy reading a translated page :) 2010-12-09T08:29:02 i'm going to try to write a bot in haskell, but there is a selection of starter packages :| 2010-12-09T08:29:06 i'm not good with decisions 2010-12-09T08:31:16 R = growth / (shipsCount+distance(x,y)*growth) 2010-12-09T08:31:43 ^ neutral planer evalation 2010-12-09T08:32:18 distance(x,y) - dictamse from canter mass home planets 2010-12-09T08:32:27 distance(x,y) - dictance from canter mass home planets 2010-12-09T08:32:30 ahh, that's the time to return yeah? 2010-12-09T08:32:39 i played around with that at the start, but changed it 2010-12-09T08:33:35 *** narnach_mb has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2010-12-09T08:34:58 it have minimal R to make neutral planet own 2010-12-09T08:35:24 *** Mathnerd314 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2010-12-09T08:35:27 he make many parameters to ajust 2010-12-09T08:36:06 he make many parameters to adjusting 2010-12-09T08:36:06 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T08:37:40 *** delt0r___ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2010-12-09T08:39:46 scratch that, i'm writing my own haskell bot, if it ends up anywhere near as ugly as any of those starter packages then i'm not falling in love with haskell :\ 2010-12-09T08:39:55 i'm a sucker for clean neat code 2010-12-09T09:18:42 *** Appleman1234 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2010-12-09T09:21:59 *** bhasker has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T09:29:21 *** contestbot_ has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T09:29:21 *** contestbot has quit IRC (Disconnected by services) 2010-12-09T09:31:16 *** contestbot_ is now known as contestbot 2010-12-09T09:31:17 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o contestbot 2010-12-09T09:55:12 *** boegel has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2010-12-09T10:10:04 *** ptika has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2010-12-09T10:15:08 *** Rubicon-|-Cross has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2010-12-09T10:15:56 *** JamesMG has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T10:31:31 *** iamluck has quit IRC (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) 2010-12-09T10:40:36 *** Blkt has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T10:41:10 good day everyone 2010-12-09T10:42:20 good morning 2010-12-09T10:42:34 are you enjoying the international shit storm? 2010-12-09T10:42:52 what do you mean? 2010-12-09T10:43:13 wikileaks :P 2010-12-09T10:43:24 aaah 2010-12-09T10:44:15 I didn't read anything about it recently 2010-12-09T10:44:35 *** Rubicon-|-Cross has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T10:45:04 it's been all over the place the last little while 2010-12-09T10:45:25 I know, I have been quite busy these days 2010-12-09T10:45:30 do you recommend it? :D 2010-12-09T10:46:36 yes, it's highly entertaining 2010-12-09T10:55:15 *** smellyhippy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2010-12-09T10:55:56 *** amstan_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2010-12-09T10:57:46 *** janzert has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2010-12-09T10:59:07 *** janzert has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T11:00:54 *** smellyhippy has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T11:09:38 wait, is zerovis showing rankings from more than 72 hours ago? 2010-12-09T11:09:45 or are people running the released bots? 2010-12-09T11:09:55 cause my names there, i don't mind, was just like wtf 2010-12-09T11:13:00 *** yasith has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T11:22:22 *** bhasker has quit IRC (Quit: bhasker) 2010-12-09T11:23:42 *** bhasker has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T11:24:17 are you playing on benzadrine server? 2010-12-09T11:25:16 nope, i'm not playing anywhere personally 2010-12-09T11:25:26 what were you talking about then? 2010-12-09T11:26:12 zerovis 2010-12-09T11:26:32 anyway, it's 3:26am, i'm going to bed :) 2010-12-09T11:30:25 *** bhasker has quit IRC (Quit: bhasker) 2010-12-09T11:34:49 lol, good night 2010-12-09T11:36:33 *** fgump has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T12:04:20 *** mceier has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2010-12-09T12:12:23 *** Rubicon-|-Cross has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2010-12-09T12:29:28 *** spz has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T12:33:40 *** lavalamp has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T12:34:01 *** rabidus has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2010-12-09T12:43:31 *** p4p4 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2010-12-09T12:45:07 *** rabidus has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T12:59:39 *** tapwater has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T13:07:04 *** p4p4 has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T13:09:41 *** Cold-Phoenix has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2010-12-09T13:10:34 *** bhasker has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T13:11:08 morning 2010-12-09T13:15:46 *** amstan_ has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T13:15:46 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan_ 2010-12-09T13:19:24 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T13:22:08 *** narnach has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T13:22:08 *** narnach is now known as narnach_mb 2010-12-09T13:25:29 *** Tobu has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T13:42:44 *** perror has quit IRC (Quit: Bye all !) 2010-12-09T13:44:42 *** Tobu has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2010-12-09T13:47:06 *** Naktibalda has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716]) 2010-12-09T13:51:17 *** boegel has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T14:25:01 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T14:39:07 *** amstan has quit IRC (Quit: Bye) 2010-12-09T14:40:00 *** amstan_ is now known as amstan 2010-12-09T15:32:38 *** Error323 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2010-12-09T15:35:37 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T15:38:45 *** fgump has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2010-12-09T15:40:44 *** Error323 has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T15:40:52 amstan: hehe ur affraid we won't return? 2010-12-09T15:40:59 hmmm? 2010-12-09T15:41:02 are you serious about the new contest being in January again? 2010-12-09T15:41:08 that's freakin fast. 2010-12-09T15:41:16 well 2010-12-09T15:41:31 not jar, but feb's definatelly a goal 2010-12-09T15:41:33 jan* 2010-12-09T15:41:47 mm 2010-12-09T15:42:04 that's fast 2010-12-09T15:42:11 *** boegel has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2010-12-09T15:42:21 are there concrete ideas already then? 2010-12-09T15:42:28 nope 2010-12-09T15:42:33 what we have is on the forums 2010-12-09T15:42:33 because I imagine there's a lot of programming to be done 2010-12-09T15:42:35 all we have 2010-12-09T15:43:54 I see 2010-12-09T15:46:36 *** boegel has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T15:51:33 *** greghaynes has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2010-12-09T15:52:51 *** greghaynes has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T15:53:52 amstan: so is this ur work then? or pure hobby? 2010-12-09T15:53:59 are you still studying? 2010-12-09T15:55:03 *** boegel has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2010-12-09T15:55:22 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2010-12-09T15:55:55 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2010-12-09T15:56:34 *** boegel has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T15:57:36 *** smellyhippy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2010-12-09T15:58:02 *** p4p4 has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [SeaMonkey 2.0a3/20090223135443]) 2010-12-09T16:02:18 *** smellyhippy has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T16:02:18 *** smellyhippy has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T16:05:15 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T16:14:25 Error323: hobby 2010-12-09T16:14:34 Error323: yes, i have exams till the 20th 2010-12-09T16:14:37 then taking a break 2010-12-09T16:15:37 ah ok 2010-12-09T16:17:42 we should get twitter.. 2010-12-09T16:17:44 for the contest 2010-12-09T16:17:46 lol 2010-12-09T16:18:05 contestbot could do it 2010-12-09T16:18:06 amstan: I'm sorry Dave, err amstan; I cannot 'could'. 2010-12-09T16:18:11 @apropos twitter 2010-12-09T16:18:11 amstan: No appropriate commands were found. 2010-12-09T16:18:17 aww 2010-12-09T16:18:27 haha 2010-12-09T16:19:16 *** mega1 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2010-12-09T16:19:41 *** Appleman1234 has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T16:27:37 amstan: will you guys fix prices for the next? 2010-12-09T16:27:41 like proper prices 2010-12-09T16:27:46 it would help i think 2010-12-09T16:27:47 :) 2010-12-09T16:27:55 prices? 2010-12-09T16:28:00 prizes 2010-12-09T16:28:01 ehhh 2010-12-09T16:28:19 * Error323 lost the ability to spell 2010-12-09T16:31:04 amstan: and rip off google 2010-12-09T16:31:25 because grmbl they were kind of cheap bastards 2010-12-09T16:33:48 *** boegel has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2010-12-09T16:34:36 i would like to know who was jeff's contact in google and how we were sponsors, etc. 2010-12-09T16:36:30 because i got tired pretty fast of trying to explain why google didn't seem to be doing much and feeling useless 2010-12-09T16:36:36 *** delt0r___ has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T16:37:56 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2010-12-09T16:51:16 *** Naktibalda has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T16:55:53 *** Mathnerd314 has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T17:01:05 I made a suggestion for the robot ant game protocol: http://ai-contest.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1205&p=8207#p8207 2010-12-09T17:01:25 *** Snowplan has left #aichallenge 2010-12-09T17:04:40 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T17:15:36 *** epona has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T17:15:50 where would be the proper channel to talk about net neutrality 2010-12-09T17:16:24 politics, maybe? 2010-12-09T17:17:36 ok 2010-12-09T17:23:09 *** Blkt has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2010-12-09T17:23:33 *** Palmik has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2010-12-09T17:29:30 *** Tobu has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T17:34:43 *** yasith has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2010-12-09T17:47:38 *** yasith has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T17:49:28 *** amstan has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2010-12-09T17:50:18 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T17:50:18 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2010-12-09T17:52:02 *** lavalamp has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2010-12-09T17:55:45 *** mceier has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2010-12-09T17:59:38 *** amstan has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2010-12-09T17:59:53 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T17:59:53 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2010-12-09T18:11:05 *** amstan has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2010-12-09T18:15:43 *** davidjliu has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T18:19:34 *** JamesMG has quit IRC (Quit: home) 2010-12-09T18:27:45 *** fgump has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T18:42:00 *** Mathnerd314 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2010-12-09T18:42:37 *** Mathnerd314_ has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T18:42:42 *** Mathnerd314_ is now known as Mathnerd314 2010-12-09T18:48:09 *** narnach_mb has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2010-12-09T18:49:50 *** jaspervdj has quit IRC (Quit: NEVER GONNA GIVE YOU UP NEVER GONNA LET YOU DOWN) 2010-12-09T19:05:02 *** bhasker_ has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T19:07:11 *** bhasker has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2010-12-09T19:08:30 *** davidjliu has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2010-12-09T19:44:40 *** Azrathud has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T19:44:57 *** Appleman1234 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2010-12-09T20:08:08 *** fgump has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2010-12-09T20:21:12 *** bhasker has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T20:23:25 *** bhasker_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2010-12-09T20:26:01 *** Frontier_ has left #aichallenge 2010-12-09T20:27:41 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T20:35:05 *** rebelxt1 has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T20:36:55 *** Rubicon-|-Cross has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T20:51:00 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2010-12-09T20:56:18 *** rebelxt1 has left #aichallenge 2010-12-09T20:57:20 *** bhasker has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2010-12-09T21:02:00 *** Frontier_ has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T21:07:48 *** Rubicon-|-Cross has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2010-12-09T21:13:54 *** Rubicon-|-Cross has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T21:19:12 *** Mathnerd314 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2010-12-09T21:22:02 *** Rubicon-|-Cross has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2010-12-09T21:27:31 *** Mathnerd314 has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T21:35:30 *** Rubicon-|-Cross has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T21:39:49 *** Frontier_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2010-12-09T21:57:00 *** Naktibalda has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2010-12-09T22:18:00 *** Tobu has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2010-12-09T22:40:05 *** Tobu has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T22:53:15 sigh: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/wikileaks/wikileaks-acts-illegal-gillard-government/story-fn775xjq-1225968584365 2010-12-09T22:53:18 WTF!!!! 2010-12-09T22:53:24 someone does something illegal before wikileaks get files, so they have participated in something illegal, someone does something illegal before our newspapers get them, so they haven't participated in something illegal? 2010-12-09T22:53:55 i can't believe they openly said that 2010-12-09T22:54:04 yeah, she's full of shit 2010-12-09T22:55:55 but seriously, that argument above is just plain bat shit retarded 2010-12-09T22:56:32 yeah well, that's not exactly a surprise 2010-12-09T22:56:41 if wikileaks have done something illegal by releasing the files, then one cannot argue our newspapers haven't broken the same laws 2010-12-09T22:57:44 freedom of the press laws are convoluted and stupid, i'm not going to pretend to understand them 2010-12-09T22:59:13 sure, i debate on what should be the case :) 2010-12-09T22:59:20 i don't have any idea of how the actual law works 2010-12-09T22:59:43 :P 2010-12-09T22:59:44 it's often hard to convince people to talk to me in terms of what is right and wrong rather than legal and not legal, discrimination particularly 2010-12-09T23:02:03 *** dmj111 has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T23:04:06 if something is considered a news source, it legally can't be touched. if someone does something illegal to obtain the information, the hacker is at fault, NOT the news source 2010-12-09T23:05:11 they are if they know/suspect it's illegal 2010-12-09T23:05:19 *** amriedle has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-09T23:05:32 or if jsut sharign the info is illegal 2010-12-09T23:06:00 epona: my point is Wikileaks is also not a source 2010-12-09T23:06:23 they simply release documents for other people, they are essentially a middle man 2010-12-09T23:06:41 hmm. seems like a news source to me. 2010-12-09T23:06:46 which I see as no different to our local newspapers publishing the same information 2010-12-09T23:06:57 our government is saying Wikileaks acts are illegal, but our newspapers acts aren't 2010-12-09T23:07:13 which I can't see being logical in any way, but then, the law often isn't logical if you ask me 2010-12-09T23:07:34