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Avoiding Collisons is hard, esp for beginers... all the "ants" need to be 100% coordinated. Which most won't do at least to start with... 2010-12-14T01:48:30 thats the problem with "an move i don't want... die" 2010-12-14T01:48:59 it sets the bar high for a starter bot (no--a fancy starter pack is not a substitute. ) 2010-12-14T01:50:07 delt0r: how about giving the bot with the lower id the advantage to move to a square that two or more bots want to move to? 2010-12-14T01:51:03 all you need is a list the size of your ant count with the move targets of other ants 2010-12-14T01:51:34 Frontier: i don't like that 2010-12-14T01:52:13 delt0r____: i really don't like having ants not end up where you expect them too, if i don't do that my two options are kill both, friends fight, or fusion 2010-12-14T01:52:23 i don't really mind out of those options 2010-12-14T01:52:43 yes, that's three 2010-12-14T01:53:17 *** Utkarsh has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T01:59:44 delt0r: i'm pretty sure my specification will work as intended with the following order of move processing 2010-12-14T01:59:44 1. Attacks 2010-12-14T01:59:45 2. Harvests 2010-12-14T01:59:45 3. Deposits (deposits to home don't land on an ant first) 2010-12-14T01:59:45 4. Moves 2010-12-14T01:59:45 5. Spawning of ants 2010-12-14T01:59:45 6. Kill/Fuse (kill/fuse friend ants that land on the same square) 2010-12-14T01:59:46 7. Collision fights (fight opponent ants that are on the same square) 2010-12-14T01:59:46 8. Check win/draw/lose conditions 2010-12-14T02:03:43 antimatroid: I wasn't talking about the server. It may just kill the ants, fine. I was talking about the starter package. So that these ants give the 'oldest' ants, with the lowest id the advantage to move to a square both try to move to 2010-12-14T02:04:36 Frontier: my plan with the starter packages is to make moves for each ant incrementally, never move friends into the same square 2010-12-14T02:04:51 antimatroid: If you give ants gloabal coords, then its trival to detect "not ending up where you asked to go" 2010-12-14T02:05:06 its a very very common problem in AI and machine leraning 2010-12-14T02:05:16 did my command "effector" work? 2010-12-14T02:05:44 delt0r___: with collision undos, you make make all valid moves, which all get stopped from them blocking one of yours 2010-12-14T02:05:47 i don't like that either :P 2010-12-14T02:06:04 ?? 2010-12-14T02:06:08 how can you go WITHOUT global coordinates in a game where one program controls all ants? 2010-12-14T02:06:13 sorry, that made no sense 2010-12-14T02:06:35 it's possible that all moves i made were valid until they landed where i did, undoing every move i made 2010-12-14T02:06:40 well lets see your code... I think you will find the dynamics of "fuse" odd, and perhaps not very intuitive... 2010-12-14T02:07:08 What... that still makes no Sense 2010-12-14T02:07:48 consider your bots as a snake, with a blank square between the head and an enemy ant, your snake may all try to shuffle forward, but they might move towards you too, then no ant moves at all 2010-12-14T02:07:55 Fussy effectors and Fussy sensors is the bread and butter of real "ai" 2010-12-14T02:07:56 bots== ants 2010-12-14T02:08:09 they are not a snake 2010-12-14T02:08:17 no, it's an example 2010-12-14T02:08:51 yea--why you have a safe "following" distance.. 2010-12-14T02:08:56 thats the how point 2010-12-14T02:09:13 where if i stack... just stack em all 2010-12-14T02:09:30 fusing ants is a terrible idea 2010-12-14T02:09:41 or in your case one dies each turn till you have no ants 2010-12-14T02:09:44 you can't spread out vision, can't carry as many grains etc. 2010-12-14T02:09:52 it's just something to handle people making stupid moves 2010-12-14T02:10:11 well get it going and lets see how it works 2010-12-14T02:10:25 I don't think it will however 2010-12-14T02:10:26 yeah, i will get onto the engine later 2010-12-14T02:10:30 i need to go out for dinner soon though 2010-12-14T02:25:40 *** Mathnerd314 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2010-12-14T03:02:00 *** Frontier has left #aichallenge 2010-12-14T03:09:11 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T03:12:11 *** mega1 has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T03:23:04 *** tapwater has quit IRC (Quit: tapwater) 2010-12-14T03:38:14 *** Frontier has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T03:42:15 *** aerique has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T03:44:17 *** acieroid has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2010-12-14T03:44:36 *** acieroid has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T03:47:30 *** delt0r has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2010-12-14T03:47:43 *** delt0r has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T03:52:26 *** narnach has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T03:52:27 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can't find the compiler either 2010-12-14T07:47:07 yes, but mine can :P 2010-12-14T07:47:38 (i know my hate of java is entirely irrational, this is just me exagerating the irrationalness :)) 2010-12-14T07:47:48 so... why would my computer not find it? any ideas? 2010-12-14T07:48:13 i restarted and everything 2010-12-14T07:51:12 I havn't used windows for many years.. 2010-12-14T07:51:20 it will be a path thing 2010-12-14T07:51:34 but i don't know about paths in windows... since like DOS 2010-12-14T07:52:51 anyway, I thought you were just doing everything i c++ 2010-12-14T07:52:55 in 2010-12-14T07:53:33 i have no idea how to feed input to different process etc. to do an engine properly 2010-12-14T07:53:43 so i need to hack my version into yours :P 2010-12-14T07:54:08 delt0r: your rts idea sounds nice, you might as well make a seperate post on the forums for it 2010-12-14T07:54:30 you like it? 2010-12-14T07:54:59 Its really the same sematics as your squad idea... just "passable terrain" 2010-12-14T07:56:03 I may make a another engine/bot this weekend --and include a human bot... 2010-12-14T07:56:13 Perhaps tcp... 2010-12-14T07:56:41 And get a proper engine --i keep writing a lot of bolier plate code. (ie IO code) 2010-12-14T07:58:20 tcp would be good 2010-12-14T07:58:33 so people can easily watch games without downloading anything 2010-12-14T07:58:37 adding that is easy after you have decent IO code 2010-12-14T07:59:10 well now you mean a tcp server and site 2010-12-14T07:59:21 i might try to get an engine and visualizer up for my idea in the coming weeks.. not sure, currently working on projects that got delayed due to planet wars :) 2010-12-14T07:59:35 lol 2010-12-14T08:00:24 aerique, I don't think we would need both to be implemented... since i think "squad combat" is close enough to what i was thinking (and would like) 2010-12-14T08:00:39 but hay --the more the merrier 2010-12-14T08:00:45 its xmass after all 2010-12-14T08:00:55 if we set up a training ground with past contests 2010-12-14T08:01:06 we can add some of these games if they get made well enough 2010-12-14T08:04:26 delt0r: go ahead then, i'm not sure i would get to it 2010-12-14T08:05:03 k, so it would be another sunday thing... But i would be more motivated to write better code 2010-12-14T08:26:43 *** narnach_mb has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2010-12-14T08:26:46 *** narnach has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T08:26:46 *** narnach is now known as narnach_mb 2010-12-14T08:31:20 *** iNtERrUpT has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2010-12-14T08:31:40 *** iNtERrUpT has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T08:40:05 fuuu windows 2010-12-14T08:48:39 mine still has me as attending 2010-12-14T08:49:09 oops wrong tab 2010-12-14T09:06:27 delt0r: how busy are you atm? :P 2010-12-14T09:06:47 quite busy... but seem to be looking for distractions.... ;) 2010-12-14T09:07:34 i'm trying to work out what i need to actually do if i write my own engine from scratch in c++, do i just need to somehow create different input/output streams for each player and pass information / receive information from those? 2010-12-14T09:08:06 i have your files open and i'm looking through them 2010-12-14T09:09:18 I start with init... then start process with whatever C++ does for that (don't remeber) with the default streams as needed 2010-12-14T09:09:49 ie you end up with 2 input streams and 2 output streams from both process 2010-12-14T09:10:26 for each turn I first write out the current "state" with blocking IO to each output stream for each bot/process 2010-12-14T09:10:26 okay, i'll start exploring 2010-12-14T09:10:27 thanks 2010-12-14T09:11:11 then I go into a loop using non blocking IO to read from each process/bots input stream 2010-12-14T09:11:31 with a sleep in the loop.. so i don't consume all there cpu cycles. 2010-12-14T09:12:05 I stop reading once i get a go or a timeout happens... 2010-12-14T09:12:12 yep, i'm going to try feeding each bot the state incrementally, then worry about pausing the inactive process later 2010-12-14T09:12:18 update game state... rinse and repeat 2010-12-14T09:12:53 Its easier and better just to send each bot everything at once. Its also probably faster 2010-12-14T09:13:19 but thats down in the ms range 2010-12-14T09:13:32 yeah, and you don't get the same amount of time each turn then 2010-12-14T09:13:36 depending on how much time they use 2010-12-14T09:13:40 ?? 2010-12-14T09:14:01 atm, each bot was running on the same core and given the same 1 second to make their move 2010-12-14T09:14:10 yes 2010-12-14T09:14:13 so if both bots used all their time, they really only got 0.5 seconds 2010-12-14T09:14:18 i don't like that at all 2010-12-14T09:14:21 multitasking OS --for real men 2010-12-14T09:14:35 its defined as wall time in the rules 2010-12-14T09:14:43 it's not hard to just feed each ant the state incrementally and give them the same time per turn 2010-12-14T09:14:46 run on a dual core otherwise 2010-12-14T09:14:47 we can halve comp time 2010-12-14T09:14:50 *** Azrathud has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2010-12-14T09:15:06 incrementally ? what 2010-12-14T09:15:12 if the bots don't have a go 2010-12-14T09:15:21 they are "waiting" for more data 2010-12-14T09:15:23 pass state to bot 1, get moves, pass state to bot 2, get moves, resolve 2010-12-14T09:15:44 But whats stoping bot 1 from using non blocking IO 2010-12-14T09:15:49 eventually, hopefully we can KILL the inactive process so it doesn't do anything during the other bots turn 2010-12-14T09:15:53 and runing before you send more state data? 2010-12-14T09:16:03 not kill 2010-12-14T09:16:05 STOP 2010-12-14T09:16:08 START 2010-12-14T09:16:13 yeah that :P 2010-12-14T09:16:18 bocsi said KILL :P 2010-12-14T09:16:20 I don't think its worth it 2010-12-14T09:16:21 seemed strange to me 2010-12-14T09:16:32 it makes it more consistent 2010-12-14T09:16:49 how your bot plays against a quick bot is the same as how it will play against a slow bot 2010-12-14T09:16:57 only if the stop/start are going to behave the way you expect 2010-12-14T09:17:03 which it probably won't 2010-12-14T09:17:17 Its a pretty heavy weight OS call 2010-12-14T09:17:29 hmmm... 2010-12-14T09:17:46 i think it's ideal, but maybe not if there is too much overhead 2010-12-14T09:18:15 certianly not really going to be "fairer" than just running them at the same time and letting the OS do the task switching and schedulling 2010-12-14T09:18:45 And very very OS dependent 2010-12-14T09:18:52 are we allowed to legally use the time the engine uses to compute stuff? 2010-12-14T09:19:02 in the last comp 2010-12-14T09:19:04 yes 2010-12-14T09:19:10 antimatroid: you are, but... don't rely on you 2010-12-14T09:19:13 it* 2010-12-14T09:19:26 but the "engine" is so fast its not really worth it 2010-12-14T09:19:32 we might get a better paralleling engine/server 2010-12-14T09:19:36 amstan_: i don't, just fleshing out what is/isn't possible 2010-12-14T09:19:37 non blocking IO is tedious 2010-12-14T09:19:38 so you might not have the time 2010-12-14T09:19:47 delt0r: +1 2010-12-14T09:20:38 amstan_, Do you have any preference for the next game? what kind of game? etc 2010-12-14T09:21:07 no 2010-12-14T09:21:21 i'm mostly interested in having a very good backend 2010-12-14T09:21:29 that's easy 2010-12-14T09:21:31 the game will be awesome either way 2010-12-14T09:21:31 yea--I bet 2010-12-14T09:21:34 antimatroid: not really 2010-12-14T09:21:39 the problem is picking the most interesting game 2010-12-14T09:21:41 antimatroid: we tried it for 3 contests now 2010-12-14T09:21:52 we're still using a bunch of php scripts 2010-12-14T09:21:59 for the website? 2010-12-14T09:22:00 backend is where you end up with the work... when its not working i guess 2010-12-14T09:22:15 i was thinking engine as backend :P 2010-12-14T09:22:43 (realises the stupidity of my comment after just asking htf engine is formed) 2010-12-14T09:22:44 amstan_, is much work getting done on the backend? 2010-12-14T09:24:33 delt0r: none right now 2010-12-14T09:24:42 delt0r: we'll start at the beggining of jan 2010-12-14T09:25:04 antimatroid: engine is mostly easy 2010-12-14T09:25:11 antimatroid: i'm thinking everything besides the game 2010-12-14T09:27:17 i think i'd be more of a nuisance than help with that stuff 2010-12-14T09:43:34 *** iNtERrUpT has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2010-12-14T09:49:31 *** narnach has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T09:51:08 *** narnach1 has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T09:51:08 *** narnach_mb has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2010-12-14T09:51:49 *** narnach has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2010-12-14T09:53:38 *** Naktibalda has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2010-12-14T09:55:24 *** narnach1 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2010-12-14T09:59:25 *** narnach1 has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T09:59:25 *** narnach1 is now known as narnach_mb 2010-12-14T10:00:16 *** iNtERrUpT has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T10:00:38 there is something very wrong with my computer 2010-12-14T10:00:57 i can't get the command line to pick up gcc either 2010-12-14T10:01:08 it works fine through codeblocks :\ 2010-12-14T10:04:06 *** yasith has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T10:06:54 *** narnach_mb has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2010-12-14T10:07:10 *** narnach has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T10:07:10 *** narnach is now known as narnach_mb 2010-12-14T10:08:35 *** JamesMG has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T10:09:21 *** narnach_mb has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2010-12-14T10:09:29 is there any reason why my engine shouldn't be run as follows? 2010-12-14T10:09:30 *** narnach has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T10:09:30 *** narnach is now known as narnach_mb 2010-12-14T10:09:30 Engine.exe << "map1.txt" << " " << (other stuff) << " " << "bot1 location" << "bot2 location" 2010-12-14T10:10:20 *** narnach_mb has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2010-12-14T10:10:24 *** narnach has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T10:10:24 *** narnach is now known as narnach_mb 2010-12-14T10:11:03 *** iNtERrUpT has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2010-12-14T10:12:13 nevermind 2010-12-14T10:18:07 *** Azrathud has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T10:34:27 *** Sylph2 has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T10:37:59 *** Sylph has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2010-12-14T11:00:11 antimatroid: for a c++ engine, you may want to check out how albert did his :) 2010-12-14T11:16:19 spz: i will, cheers 2010-12-14T11:16:49 i can't for the life of me work out how to do processes in there, i can get it to run another one inside the first, but the second one has to finish before the statement is done 2010-12-14T11:17:27 *** mega1_ has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T11:17:45 threading? 2010-12-14T11:18:06 i have no idea how threads work 2010-12-14T11:18:09 i could try to learn 2010-12-14T11:18:30 *** iNtERrUpT has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T11:18:57 *** politik_ has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T11:19:20 *** aerique_ has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T11:19:28 *** acieroid` has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T11:19:48 bah, his username isn't albert on the forums 2010-12-14T11:21:26 it could be: http://ai-contest.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=550 :) 2010-12-14T11:21:39 bah :\ 2010-12-14T11:21:46 i swear it didn't list it for me 2010-12-14T11:21:49 but it is 3am 2010-12-14T11:21:51 thanks 2010-12-14T11:22:48 *** aerique_ has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2010-12-14T11:23:56 np. it works under Win XP / CodeBlocks -- but I did have to comment out one line... probably should have spent some time figuring out what the problem was ;) 2010-12-14T11:24:00 *** acieroid has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2010-12-14T11:24:00 *** aerique has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2010-12-14T11:24:00 *** mega1 has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2010-12-14T11:24:00 *** Frontier has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2010-12-14T11:24:00 *** politik has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2010-12-14T11:24:14 *** amriedle has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T11:24:24 *** iNtERrUpT has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2010-12-14T11:24:51 for threading, I hear Qt or Boost make dealing with them easier 2010-12-14T11:25:35 *** acieroid` is now known as acieroid 2010-12-14T11:25:50 *** Azrathud has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2010-12-14T11:25:55 cool 2010-12-14T11:25:58 anyway, i'm going to bed 2010-12-14T11:26:02 night :) 2010-12-14T11:26:11 ciao :) 2010-12-14T11:27:18 *** lavalamp has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T11:32:22 *** narnach_mb has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2010-12-14T11:36:47 *** iNtERrUpT has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T11:43:01 *** iNtERrUpT has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2010-12-14T12:17:50 *** yasith has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2010-12-14T12:34:02 *** Accoun has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2010-12-14T12:46:02 *** phreeza has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T12:46:15 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T13:02:03 *** bhasker has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T13:09:21 *** Error323 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2010-12-14T13:22:10 *** Error323 has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T13:58:10 *** Accoun has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2010-12-14T14:05:56 *** medrimonia has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T14:06:49 *** medrimonia1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2010-12-14T14:10:17 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T14:10:42 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2010-12-14T14:12:25 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T14:26:48 *** tapwater has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T15:32:50 *** Migi32 has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T15:36:20 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T15:44:12 so any decisions on the next competition? 2010-12-14T15:47:11 *** Naktibalda has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T15:54:26 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2010-12-14T15:57:26 not really 2010-12-14T15:57:36 at least from my knowledge 2010-12-14T15:58:44 damn 2010-12-14T15:58:53 really hoping for my idea - atari tank 2010-12-14T16:06:24 thats the above head tank shooting game right 2010-12-14T16:10:02 * pgpaskar_ gets out of his exam study helicopter 2010-12-14T16:10:07 * pgpaskar_ sets fire to its rotors 2010-12-14T16:17:15 firecopter!!! 2010-12-14T16:26:51 amriedle: yea 2010-12-14T16:28:35 *** Frontier has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T16:33:42 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2010-12-14T16:40:13 Cyndre_: I didn't see your idea? did you post it? 2010-12-14T16:42:50 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T16:49:13 *** mega1_ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2010-12-14T16:51:01 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T16:52:08 *** Mathnerd314 has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T17:03:52 *** bhasker has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2010-12-14T17:25:26 *** bhasker has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T17:28:13 *** Frontier has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2010-12-14T17:37:09 *** amstan_ is now known as amstan 2010-12-14T17:42:08 *** amstan is now known as amstan_ 2010-12-14T18:04:50 *** amstan_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2010-12-14T18:05:15 *** lavalamp has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2010-12-14T18:05:50 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T18:05:50 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2010-12-14T18:07:50 delt0r_: just like the top down 2d atari tank shooter. Two treads that you can put speed to, turret to point and fire, and ability to drop a mine. Limit to x turns, tank with most health at the end wins 2010-12-14T18:18:13 *** JamesMG has quit IRC (Quit: home) 2010-12-14T18:37:16 *** Frontier has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T18:40:45 found a funny web site concerning Opera and HTML Canvas: http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~andrearo/opera-bug.html 2010-12-14T18:44:10 Previous versions of Opera are said to take 1.5 seconds to render this, but my version takes 14 seconds. It should be on par with the other major browsers though. So I checked it in a new user account on my computer and the benchmark ran in the expected 4ms. WTF? 2010-12-14T18:44:44 *** phreeza has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2010-12-14T18:45:15 *** phreeza has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T18:45:20 I leaving now to find the source of the evil. 2010-12-14T18:45:22 *** Frontier has left #aichallenge 2010-12-14T18:54:38 Cyndre_: well i think something a little --less "robotics" control would be better personally 2010-12-14T18:58:30 "robotics" control? 2010-12-14T19:00:05 delt0r_ ^^ 2010-12-14T19:05:48 *** bhasker has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2010-12-14T19:05:58 *** Rubicon-|-Cross has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2010-12-14T19:07:06 *** ebrahim has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T19:07:07 *** ebrahim has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T19:07:43 *** Apophis_ has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T19:09:56 *** bhasker has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T19:11:01 *** nann has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2010-12-14T19:16:19 controling the tracks... 2010-12-14T19:16:33 ie you doing the "how do i move the tank" 2010-12-14T19:16:44 aka robotics 2010-12-14T19:17:41 So having a complete "physics" model for the tank..then each bot end up being mainly code to address the "physics" not the problem per say 2010-12-14T19:18:03 and the real problem with that is the things like PID controlers would work really well 2010-12-14T19:18:09 == boring 2010-12-14T19:19:48 *** Frontier has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T19:21:26 I found the bug in Opera. It was the RAM cache setting. If it is set to anything different than 'auto' it will cause trouble in the drawImage function of a html canvas 2010-12-14T19:26:21 delt0r_: could simplify the tank tracks and just have it move like a tron tank 2010-12-14T19:32:58 If it is a new game idea, I already don't like it because of the explicit modern war theme. Ants are cool. Did you know they have additional eyes on the forehead? 2010-12-14T19:33:49 *** Migi32 has quit IRC (Quit: BOINC) 2010-12-14T19:38:39 *** ebrahim has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2010-12-14T19:43:30 *** phreeza has quit IRC (Quit: kthxbai) 2010-12-14T20:19:41 *** bhasker has quit IRC (Quit: bhasker) 2010-12-14T20:23:39 *** bhasker has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T20:33:35 So we have AntWars, the squad tactics game and the space combat, Alien Force and an idea for a role playing game with artificial social interaction. Did I miss a good idea? 2010-12-14T20:34:38 delt0r_: What was it you were talking about? 2010-12-14T20:53:19 *** mceier has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2010-12-14T21:03:49 role playing game with artificial social interaction? I though that was the irc channel? 2010-12-14T21:06:39 Frontier: it was an atari tank game ran by bots 2010-12-14T21:13:22 *** bhasker has quit IRC (Quit: bhasker) 2010-12-14T21:16:07 * pgpaskar_ levels up 2010-12-14T21:16:19 * pgpaskar_ +3 to responsibilities +5 to procrastination bias 2010-12-14T21:16:48 * pgpaskar_ -3 to desire to do things that require more effort than a similarly effective comprimise 2010-12-14T21:31:02 *** Naktibalda has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2010-12-14T21:31:14 *** Accoun has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2010-12-14T21:31:16 sigh: lol 2010-12-14T21:34:31 I have turned the ant visualization into a benchmark: I get 66 FPS with Opera :D http://marco-leise.homedns.org/benchmark.html 2010-12-14T21:36:04 Frontier: 198fps 2010-12-14T21:36:08 Frontier: with your visualiser, once i work out how to make my engine, what needs to be done to "interact" with the visualiser, like how is it getting information? 2010-12-14T21:36:31 amstan: google chrome with multithreading i bet :( 2010-12-14T21:36:39 maybe 2010-12-14T21:36:43 idk 2010-12-14T21:37:22 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T21:37:49 antimatroid: I haven't thought about that yet. If you make up a good small (few bytes per game) format I'll implement it. 2010-12-14T21:38:19 Maybe I'll add a textbox below where you can paste game replays. 2010-12-14T21:38:48 *** bhasker has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-14T21:39:09 few bytes per game o_O 2010-12-14T21:39:09 Frontier: atm i'm planning to pass information on square per line like follows 2010-12-14T21:39:09 S row column isWall antPlayer antHP antHarvest squareGrains baseNo 2010-12-14T21:39:12 It should also be possible to paste a map generator or bot code in JavaScript. 2010-12-14T21:39:33 one* square per line 2010-12-14T21:39:46 I think it would be smaller and more user friendly if the map was serialised as a 2d char array 2010-12-14T21:40:25 followed by a list of ants with coord,player,hp 2010-12-14T21:40:54 sigh, antimatroid: Have you seen the replay format in PlanetWars? Something like that would be nice. First it creates the start situation, then it only stores the fleets. 2010-12-14T21:41:34