2010-12-21T00:01:16 *** yasith has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-21T00:59:11 *** narnach1 has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-21T00:59:11 *** narnach has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2010-12-21T01:05:31 *** McLeopold has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-21T01:08:56 antimatroid1: Generate me some epic game of 400 turns please :) 2010-12-21T01:09:42 * Frontier remembers his sister beeing annoyed by the new habit to call everything epic. 2010-12-21T01:14:06 sweet 2010-12-21T01:16:08 oh hi zannick, i read your forum post and silently agree 2010-12-21T01:24:02 cool 2010-12-21T01:42:18 antimatroid1: Never mind, I loaded your old package of executables and run it on wine. 2010-12-21T01:43:46 I really wonder how the game ends after 400 turns. Will all grains be harvested? Does one ant lose by another ant stepping on it's base square? 2010-12-21T01:54:25 *** narnach1 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2010-12-21T01:59:19 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2010-12-21T02:12:28 *** McLeopold has left #aichallenge 2010-12-21T02:22:38 Frontier: you ran a game for that long? 2010-12-21T02:22:45 i have horrible memory issues with it on mine 2010-12-21T02:23:37 no it crashed on turn 172 2010-12-21T02:24:16 I recompiled it with the sources from the smaller (280 KB) package under linux and now it runs for a little longer (antbot vs atartbot) 2010-12-21T02:25:07 do i have to clear the gui file after each game? 2010-12-21T02:25:18 Frontier: i'll have another go at cleaning up issues before 2010-12-21T02:25:24 don't have to clear the gui file each time 2010-12-21T02:25:31 you do have to clear the map file if you want to make a new one 2010-12-21T02:25:51 well i had 600+ gos in 171 turns 2010-12-21T02:26:20 hmmm, that's not right 2010-12-21T02:26:43 lol, turn 284 and there is only on ant of A left hinding in a corner 2010-12-21T02:27:37 that ai is really really retarded too though 2010-12-21T02:27:51 wtf? player 2 wins? the little 'a' is still on the map! 2010-12-21T02:28:42 did it reach maxturns? 2010-12-21T02:29:11 if you reach the max specified number of turns, the winner is the player with the most ants 2010-12-21T02:29:18 probably a B ant moving into A's home base 2010-12-21T02:30:08 depending on the file you have, i have made changes 2010-12-21T02:32:18 lol take a look at the visualizer -_- 2010-12-21T02:33:40 ok the gui file might have been corrupted due to the crash on the first run or something. it definitly gest cleared now 2010-12-21T02:34:21 did it return fin or just crash? 2010-12-21T02:34:31 oh sorry, i was scrolled up :P 2010-12-21T02:35:25 larger map? 2010-12-21T02:35:33 or lack of player 1 doing anything 2010-12-21T02:36:03 some people didn't like the fusion? what are your thoughts on it? 2010-12-21T02:36:08 i think it's cool strategy wise 2010-12-21T02:38:19 I don't like it either. It is an instagib where you usually have to fight for 5 rounds 2010-12-21T02:38:45 *** Palmik has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-21T02:39:13 bah, i think i'm alone on liking fusion then 2010-12-21T02:40:53 Bots use each 60 MB and engine 130 MB in turn 80 2010-12-21T02:41:10 yeah, there's a memory issue, they shouldn't use anything like that 2010-12-21T02:41:17 i don't think the actual bots are using that much 2010-12-21T02:41:40 I thought it was all the 32-bit textures in 2048x2048 and the high detail models with specular mapping? 2010-12-21T02:42:01 oh wait.. it is text based :p 2010-12-21T02:42:09 :P 2010-12-21T02:42:29 there is something leaking memory 2010-12-21T02:43:35 what about the cpu use of the engine? 2010-12-21T02:43:51 i'm not sure, it gets really really slow 2010-12-21T02:43:51 it is fairly high, too. do you know why? 2010-12-21T02:43:56 but i don't know if that's linked to the error or not 2010-12-21T02:44:11 i don't think it should get that much worse with more ants 2010-12-21T02:44:33 there are a couple of times i loop through the entire grid to find all ants each turn, but i don't do it for every ant i don't think 2010-12-21T02:47:18 I could run valgrind on the bot now, but i guess - as you don't use pointers, that C++ cleans it all up on exit 2010-12-21T02:48:15 i have no idea how valgrind works or how to use it :P 2010-12-21T02:48:35 i have a feeling it 2010-12-21T02:48:42 's to do with input output somehow 2010-12-21T02:48:53 like lots of 2010-12-21T02:49:01 '\n' 's or something 2010-12-21T02:49:07 i wish ' wasn't next to enter 2010-12-21T02:49:59 have you been thinking of 32*64 (n * n*2 ) sized map, and both bases are at n/2, n/2 and n/2+n, n/2 2010-12-21T02:50:09 it would be much easier to watch 2010-12-21T02:50:11 valgrind sneaks in between your code and the c++ memory manager from the runtime and logs every allocation and deallocation. When your application quits it can tell you if you have leaked memory somewhere. Such systems exist for other languages as well, like FastMM4 for Delphi. 2010-12-21T02:51:25 radibus: bases are where they are, to make sure your bot doesn't know the location of the enemy from the start 2010-12-21T02:51:36 ah.. ok. 2010-12-21T02:51:38 I could try and move the bases to the center in the visualizer though 2010-12-21T02:51:40 in that case 2010-12-21T02:51:58 *** jaspervdj has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-21T02:52:21 omg a is about to win: +58 grains 2010-12-21T02:52:35 b is already empty 2010-12-21T02:52:54 omg a is starting an offense 2010-12-21T02:53:02 turn 218 and going 2010-12-21T02:53:21 b tries to defend, but has some ants dedlocked in a corner 2010-12-21T02:53:43 for every ant of b there are two ants of a attacking now 2010-12-21T02:54:07 b is organizing for a base defense now 2010-12-21T02:54:29 it collected 5 grains, but will that be enough? 2010-12-21T02:55:13 but what is a doing now? it stopped to attack! this is the chance for b to recover. 2010-12-21T02:56:33 they better win this game either way or my 3.5 GB RAM will be full before turn 400 2010-12-21T02:57:41 Frontier: you can play the partial games i think 2010-12-21T02:57:54 just delete to the last go and put fin at the end 2010-12-21T02:57:58 i did that once and it worked 2010-12-21T02:58:11 well, fin 0 2010-12-21T02:59:00 ok good to know 2010-12-21T03:00:26 what is this? b left it's base undefended and three ants of a come swarming in 2010-12-21T03:00:40 is this a victory? 2010-12-21T03:00:55 a is coming closer ... and closer... and WINS! 2010-12-21T03:01:02 game? :P 2010-12-21T03:01:21 i haven't got the bots trying to do anything past working out what square to move in that's adjacent to them 2010-12-21T03:01:24 hence why its so stupid 2010-12-21T03:01:47 if you want to make it better, paint outwards from each square until you find something attractive, then move to that first square 2010-12-21T03:02:37 that might be a square not yet visited, an enemy, grains, their base, etc. 2010-12-21T03:03:51 the game is uploaded under the name "long match" 2010-12-21T03:05:30 lol, look at the big heap of grains in the top row :p 2010-12-21T03:05:46 cool game 2010-12-21T03:06:39 i really like the ants game 2010-12-21T03:06:45 i think it would make a really good ai comp one 2010-12-21T03:07:24 it's easy to understand, easy to get started, yet provides lots of flexibility for different strategy variations near the top of hte leaderboard 2010-12-21T03:08:35 Yeah, it could really be a game with strategic and also fun moments, when one ant loses 30 grains because it moved to close to the enemy 2010-12-21T03:09:07 Frontier: what are your opinions on what happens to ant harvest when an ant dies? 2010-12-21T03:09:16 like say two opponents land on top of each other 2010-12-21T03:09:30 should the winning ant get all harvest, or the losing ant drops theirs and the ant has to reharvest it all 2010-12-21T03:09:52 i've changed my engine to do the later for the moment 2010-12-21T03:10:28 I think it is ok to have it drop the harvest 2010-12-21T03:10:39 what does that bot see? nothing? 2010-12-21T03:10:44 i mean ant 2010-12-21T03:11:03 an ant can see anything reachable within 6 mvoes, including through walls 2010-12-21T03:11:09 all friend ants share information 2010-12-21T03:11:11 I like when two ants 'dance' around each other on a 2x2 block 2010-12-21T03:11:25 so if they are 6 blocks away from enemy base, they can see it? 2010-12-21T03:11:29 Frontier: wait for the dancing when people implement strategies 2010-12-21T03:11:39 i expect ant combat to be the most interesting part 2010-12-21T03:11:49 and watching people kamakazee towards enemies bases 2010-12-21T03:11:53 this game is just epic man. :D 2010-12-21T03:12:04 ^idd 2010-12-21T03:12:20 rage bot is easy, once you see the enemy base, all ants walk towards it 2010-12-21T03:12:37 in the mean time, move to new squares or harvest and return home 2010-12-21T03:12:43 let someone create a crowbot and an antbot ^^ 2010-12-21T03:13:03 snakebot needs to be done 2010-12-21T03:13:05 do you have a "starter class" 2010-12-21T03:13:11 lol snakebot :D 2010-12-21T03:13:22 antpath 2010-12-21T03:13:51 rabidus: i have a starter bot, but it's pretty stupid 2010-12-21T03:14:50 radibus: in case you haven't followed the discussion, here is the last game - http://marco-leise.homedns.org/antgui/v3 2010-12-21T03:14:54 i'm looking at the engine atm 2010-12-21T03:15:06 yeah. that looks awesome 2010-12-21T03:15:13 refreshing every game right now :) 2010-12-21T03:16:28 Frontier: one option is to not allow friend ants to move onto the same square, so no fusion, but then if you receive more than one move there, which ant gets to make the move? 2010-12-21T03:16:48 i think it's good that enemy ants colliding fight to death 2010-12-21T03:17:27 it means you can charge their defense lines towards their base, rather than having to take out each ant in your path over 5 turns 2010-12-21T03:17:36 antimatroid1: I won't argue that, I'm just animating it :) 2010-12-21T03:18:59 ants would do it like this: They send an ant for each enemy in the way to lock them down and then send some more to walk over the fighting ants to the enemy base 2010-12-21T03:19:02 Frontier: it might be nice to have a button to skip back to the start 2010-12-21T03:19:09 so i don't reload every time i rewatch a game 2010-12-21T03:19:51 ok, I'll add that functionality to the play button once the end is reached. 2010-12-21T03:20:07 yep :) 2010-12-21T03:20:50 what do you guess is the filesize atm? 2010-12-21T03:21:01 for a game? 2010-12-21T03:21:08 for that long game 2010-12-21T03:21:22 too much? mb? 2010-12-21T03:21:33 no, less than 1 mb 2010-12-21T03:21:39 257K :) 2010-12-21T03:21:45 that's not too bad is it? 2010-12-21T03:21:51 i think it's sending more than perhaps necessary atm too 2010-12-21T03:22:02 That's less than I expected after all :) 2010-12-21T03:22:45 you could save 30 K by omitting the tailing space 2010-12-21T03:25:20 i will get rid of that 2010-12-21T03:25:28 i had been meaning too and started to somewhere 2010-12-21T03:27:21 lol, i had the following functions defined in this order 2010-12-21T03:27:36 wait, nevermind 2010-12-21T03:27:46 i thought one was ostream and the other ofstream, but one was stringstream 2010-12-21T03:30:04 Once you are done with your changes and have a new replay you should be able to upload it via FTP for it to become the new 'default' replay. 2010-12-21T03:31:02 i'll see 2010-12-21T03:32:47 do i need an ftp client? 2010-12-21T03:33:15 ftp servers i have played around with before 2010-12-21T03:33:18 but it's been a few years 2010-12-21T03:33:24 and it was mostly for downloading :P 2010-12-21T03:34:05 never had proper scene access though :( 2010-12-21T03:35:04 hehe, you can use explorer.exe ftp://... 2010-12-21T03:35:44 I hope noone abuses this system, as the password is in the link ^^ 2010-12-21T03:37:25 didn't seem to like me copying it there, but it also only finds ant.zip there 2010-12-21T03:39:51 use the username and password: antvis 2010-12-21T03:40:32 ftp://antvis:antvis@marco-leise.homedns.org/ 2010-12-21T03:40:35 *** mega1 has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-21T03:41:58 mega1: Take a look at how awesome the black ants were defeating the red ants: http://marco-leise.homedns.org/antgui/v3/ 2010-12-21T03:42:29 * Frontier received an upload 2010-12-21T03:44:33 heh, I don't yet have an eye for this game 2010-12-21T03:45:15 what's not to love? 2010-12-21T03:47:28 *** Utkarsh has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2010-12-21T03:47:46 Frontier: is black your own bot? 2010-12-21T03:49:30 antimatroid1: Hehe, no it is still your bot. Do you want me to write a bot? 2010-12-21T03:50:40 *** perror has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-21T03:51:35 *** Utkarsh has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-21T03:52:37 I need to reduce the ant trail visibility though. With matches that long they are too much. 2010-12-21T03:54:18 yes they are 2010-12-21T03:54:26 feel free to write one, use my one to start from 2010-12-21T03:54:42 i am slowly trolling through the engine again 2010-12-21T03:54:54 any chance you want to pass it thorugh valgrind anyway? :P 2010-12-21T03:55:24 (only if it doesn't take too long) 2010-12-21T04:03:12 each process has 2 pointers actually, but i only ever make 3 prcess objects and they remain the same the entire game 2010-12-21T04:03:20 oh right, i'll use one turn as the limit 2010-12-21T04:04:09 i think i've stipped all the extra ' 's 2010-12-21T04:06:36 lol, i know how to make the map gen faster 2010-12-21T04:07:16 make a list of usable squares, and keep removing invalid/used ones when adding walls 2010-12-21T04:07:19 but not important atm 2010-12-21T04:07:30 valgrind, says it is all ok. there is no memory leak other than 6 mallocs from opened file pointers that aren't closed 2010-12-21T04:07:59 hmm, maybe i should at least free the processes at the end :P 2010-12-21T04:08:05 i'll do that, but otherwise gah 2010-12-21T04:08:23 antimatroid1: I know, I thought about that optimization, when I tried to generate tiny maps and the map generator ended in an endless loop :p 2010-12-21T04:08:45 Frontier: yep, gotta be careful with how many walls you ask for and size 2010-12-21T04:08:51 same with starting distance between home bases 2010-12-21T04:09:18 i really like the maps it makes though 2010-12-21T04:09:42 *** mega1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2010-12-21T04:11:15 *** narnach has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-21T04:11:15 *** narnach is now known as narnach_mb 2010-12-21T04:18:18 4,194,288 bytes in 1 blocks 2010-12-21T04:18:49 Is it correct behaviour that your stringstream allocates 4 MB of memory in 8 turns? 2010-12-21T04:19:22 It's in Square.cc, line 14 2010-12-21T04:22:08 Did you know that the clear method clears the io-flags? 2010-12-21T04:22:41 i have no idea what the clear does :P 2010-12-21T04:23:03 what's your line 14 for square.cc? 2010-12-21T04:23:43 maybe i should use an i and o stringstream 2010-12-21T04:23:58 wait, no, i need to put stuff into it and then out 2010-12-21T04:24:46 use io.str("") to reset the accumulated string 2010-12-21T04:24:58 right befor you call io.clear() for example 2010-12-21T04:25:14 (can't harm to reset the error flags as well :p ) 2010-12-21T04:26:12 It is still burning a lot of cpu time though 2010-12-21T04:27:03 Do you have some busy loops in there waiting for IO? 2010-12-21T04:27:57 it seems to have fixed the memory issue 2010-12-21T04:28:04 maybe engine really is just slow 2010-12-21T04:28:08 i'll clean this up then tackle that 2010-12-21T04:28:34 need to fix the bot too 2010-12-21T04:30:06 :D thanks though 2010-12-21T04:30:44 *** boegel has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-21T04:30:56 bots aren't leaking memory now either 2010-12-21T04:33:40 Frontier: it would all be a lot nicer if i could create a string stream inside each process, but it seems to hate me doing that, any idea why? 2010-12-21T04:34:05 then i can just template it to print any object like normal ostreams 2010-12-21T04:35:22 *** Utkarsh has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2010-12-21T04:39:00 *** _Utkarsh <_Utkarsh!~admin@117.201.84.209> has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-21T04:39:55 i wonder how expensive all these calls are on io.clear()? 2010-12-21T04:39:57 i call it a lot 2010-12-21T04:40:17 *** AlliedEnvy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2010-12-21T04:41:10 Frontier: a game went a lot faster when the bot doesn't call gameStream.clear() in passGameState 2010-12-21T04:41:41 wait, that's cause it screws up 2010-12-21T04:41:55 lol 2010-12-21T04:43:00 so all the extra memory is coming from those string streams somehow 2010-12-21T04:43:14 that's a lot of memory for a few "\n"s? 2010-12-21T04:43:39 antimatroid1: I don't know why it doesn't let you create string stream inside processes and I don't understand your code enough to know what you mean. 2010-12-21T04:43:51 yeah that's cool 2010-12-21T04:44:49 i'm a terrible programmer 2010-12-21T04:44:56 *** Naktibalda has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-21T04:45:07 i just hack away until something works :D 2010-12-21T04:45:19 well, sort of anyway 2010-12-21T04:47:26 i'll make a long game string for you then keep cleaning 2010-12-21T04:47:31 hopefully it wont crash at least n ow 2010-12-21T04:48:36 i'm being ambitious and trying 500, might take a while 2010-12-21T04:49:09 *** AlliedEnvy has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-21T04:49:50 crap have to start over, forgot to make a new map 2010-12-21T04:56:18 frontier: i'm thinking less ants with more hp might be cooler 2010-12-21T04:58:55 they still die instantly in a fusion *g* 2010-12-21T04:59:10 ? 2010-12-21T04:59:22 *g*? 2010-12-21T04:59:30 i'm at turn 240 2010-12-21T05:02:26 Frontier: you wouldn't believe it 2010-12-21T05:02:33 my game took 289 turns 2010-12-21T05:02:38 before an ant won 2010-12-21T05:02:40 different map 2010-12-21T05:03:43 i'm wondering if maybe it's the same map and translated differently 2010-12-21T05:03:48 http://pastebin.com/SCwtbDSM 2010-12-21T05:04:07 nah, it's different, that's awesome aha 2010-12-21T05:06:46 i think they were actually one turn out, but still 2010-12-21T05:09:12 *** yasith has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2010-12-21T05:23:15 *** yasith has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-21T05:26:18 don't call "Process& operator<<(Process &p, stringstream &outstream)" 40.000 times per turn, it will slow you down :p 2010-12-21T05:26:21 *** yasith_ has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-21T05:28:02 *** yasith has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2010-12-21T05:28:10 how else am i meant to do it :P 2010-12-21T05:28:23 vector of strings? i still need to convert it to string 2010-12-21T05:29:00 *** dr- has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-21T05:30:06 a string stream has a .str() method for conversion to string 2010-12-21T05:30:39 .str().c_str() could work in that case 2010-12-21T05:30:52 i'll play around 2010-12-21T05:31:03 string streams don't seem to like having \n work properly from them 2010-12-21T05:31:23 i'm adding the str and clear lines to the actual function call now 2010-12-21T05:31:28 so that will remove a lot of crap 2010-12-21T05:31:42 maybe you meant to use << endl; ? 2010-12-21T05:32:07 *** CIA-112 has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-21T05:32:11 on file streams you usually use << endl which outputs '\n' and flushes the stream 2010-12-21T05:33:18 I was running the engine in a profiler, and there was pretty much nothing else showing up, but this method and the C/C++ runtime. 2010-12-21T05:33:34 *** narnach has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-21T05:34:09 *** narnach has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-21T05:34:29 *** Posterdati_ has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-21T05:34:45 *** narnach_mb has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2010-12-21T05:34:45 *** Posterdati has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2010-12-21T05:34:45 *** CIA-36 has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2010-12-21T05:35:29 ah the game string has loaded 2010-12-21T05:39:44 Frontier: http://pastebin.com/q25VWaBf that map is pretty cool 2010-12-21T05:42:14 i've decided we've all been trolled 2010-12-21T05:43:35 what? 2010-12-21T05:43:47 * Naktibalda remembers some ant server written in Lua that he saw few years ago 2010-12-21T05:44:47 not exactly ant, but a bug server, with several kinds of bugs 2010-12-21T05:45:51 Frontier: http://imgur.com/XiiGC 2010-12-21T05:45:53 much better 2010-12-21T05:46:05 still follows the right hand rule and matches indexing of matrices 2010-12-21T05:46:15 and easier to draw on a page 2010-12-21T05:46:28 *** wh1teside_ has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2010-12-21T05:46:38 well, not harder :P 2010-12-21T05:47:22 this is for (x,y) subset of XxY 2010-12-21T05:49:19 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-21T05:52:43 *** Erika has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-21T05:56:46 *** Erika has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2010-12-21T06:10:01 *** yasith_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2010-12-21T06:12:17 *** Accoun has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2010-12-21T06:12:29 Frontier: still wont handle the endl's in a string stream 2010-12-21T06:13:01 i could pass each turn as a single line :P 2010-12-21T06:14:16 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-21T06:18:45 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2010-12-21T06:19:20 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-21T06:19:26 *** Erika has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-21T06:20:06 anyone up 2010-12-21T06:21:44 yep 2010-12-21T06:23:42 Erika: http://marco-leise.homedns.org/antgui/v3/ 2010-12-21T06:24:25 heya 2010-12-21T06:25:16 hey 2010-12-21T06:25:34 it slows down near the end 2010-12-21T06:25:40 is there a lot going on? 2010-12-21T06:25:45 you should see when the engine runs :P 2010-12-21T06:25:59 it doesn't slow down the visualiser on my machine though 2010-12-21T06:26:19 ah 2010-12-21T06:26:29 maybe itll be faster on my better computer 2010-12-21T06:26:40 but im too lazy o.o 2010-12-21T06:26:44 full credit goes to frontier for the visualiser 2010-12-21T06:26:45 but 2010-12-21T06:26:48 this is cool 2010-12-21T06:26:58 I like how they sometimes split off in groups 2010-12-21T06:27:07 the ai is really stupid atm 2010-12-21T06:27:20 you can also fuse your ants together, combining their hp to make a super ant 2010-12-21T06:27:27 and you win if you get an ant onto their base 2010-12-21T06:27:41 and you also can't see the entire map at hte start 2010-12-21T06:27:49 each ant has a view radius of 6 2010-12-21T06:28:37 oh 2010-12-21T06:28:44 reminds me of age of empires 2010-12-21T06:28:49 that was some scary shit 2010-12-21T06:28:54 tis a bit like those games 2010-12-21T06:29:02 reminds me most of future cop lapd preccint assault mode 2010-12-21T06:29:03 the rock paper scissors part really made it 2010-12-21T06:30:52 I think I remember that game 2010-12-21T06:31:03 I mustve played it in middle school 2010-12-21T06:31:19 yay, i finally found someone else that played it 2010-12-21T06:31:23 best playstation game ever 2010-12-21T06:31:28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2rPuRDtL_s 2010-12-21T06:31:29 that's it 2010-12-21T06:32:05 YES 2010-12-21T06:32:09 I remember 2010-12-21T06:32:25 haha, you are obsessed with that game 2010-12-21T06:32:31 sigh: it was awesome 2010-12-21T06:32:35 :P 2010-12-21T06:32:38 agreed 2010-12-21T06:32:43 I pwned so hard 2010-12-21T06:32:49 and then people stopped playing me 2010-12-21T06:32:52 haha 2010-12-21T06:33:05 antimatroid1, where can i find this ant game ? 2010-12-21T06:33:17 dr-: there isn't really an official release yet 2010-12-21T06:33:17 it was multiplayer? 2010-12-21T06:33:22 sigh: yes 2010-12-21T06:33:29 dr-: i have an engine and sample bot 2010-12-21T06:33:33 the bot ai is very crap 2010-12-21T06:34:03 okay ;) 2010-12-21T06:34:31 "Remember: Hovertanks, Turrets, Points, Crying! Beautiful...!" 2010-12-21T06:34:53 ive had way too much vodka 2010-12-21T06:34:56 I feel sick 2010-12-21T06:35:20 i don't drink vodka anymore 2010-12-21T06:35:23 too many bad memories 2010-12-21T06:35:31 that taste, eurgh 2010-12-21T06:35:45 yea 2010-12-21T06:35:47 if you have memories, then you didn't have enough vodka 2010-12-21T06:35:51 cascade draught, best beer in the world 2010-12-21T06:35:51 LOL 2010-12-21T06:35:57 very hard to buy outside tasmania though 2010-12-21T06:36:20 i just wanna get wasted 2010-12-21T06:36:23 thats all 2010-12-21T06:36:30 sigh: i got taken home by the cops one night in year 12 on a school night because i passed out in a gutter at a bus stop and nearly got run over 2010-12-21T06:36:41 haha 2010-12-21T06:36:43 o.o 2010-12-21T06:36:45 i somehow managed to polish off most of a bottle in just over an hour, i was completely gone later that night 2010-12-21T06:37:10 thats scary 2010-12-21T06:37:21 don't do that again now 2010-12-21T06:37:31 i'm not that bad anymore 2010-12-21T06:38:15 sigh: the memories no longer leaking, but the engine is still reaaaallllyyy slooooowww 2010-12-21T06:38:54 man... i thought you were still talking about your memory and got confused 2010-12-21T06:39:05 why is it slow? 2010-12-21T06:39:22 possibly all the calls to output a string stream to a process 2010-12-21T06:39:25 hopefully that 2010-12-21T06:39:40 profile the code? 2010-12-21T06:40:05 well, it's only a prototype so probably doesn't matter 2010-12-21T06:40:10 it sort of outputs when it has something to output atm 2010-12-21T06:40:25 yeah, would still be nice to make sure the game engine wont always be that retardedly slow 2010-12-21T06:40:31 but i'm pretty sure it shouldn't be 2010-12-21T06:40:39 -* 2010-12-21T06:40:52 ? 2010-12-21T06:41:04 my cat, sorry :) 2010-12-21T06:42:09 sigh: any idea how to get a stringstream to handle '\n' as i would want? 2010-12-21T06:42:28 how do you want? 2010-12-21T06:42:51 well if i add lines to a string stream then pass take it out into a string, it removes all the \n's 2010-12-21T06:43:02 and it wont let me declare a stringstream for my processes 2010-12-21T06:43:20 that's odd 2010-12-21T06:43:48 something about something being private 2010-12-21T06:43:53 ios_base 2010-12-21T06:44:03 dunno 2010-12-21T06:44:14 i need a better language 2010-12-21T06:44:22 my c++ is not very good :) 2010-12-21T06:44:33 yeah, you did say you used planet wars to learn it :P 2010-12-21T06:44:37 :) 2010-12-21T06:44:41 but you still seem to know more than me about some of it 2010-12-21T06:45:09 I intentionally exposed myself to as much as possible while developing 2010-12-21T06:47:38 *** narnach has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2010-12-21T06:59:14 *** narnach has joined #aichallenge 2010-12-21T06:59:14 *** narnach is now known as narnach_mb 2010-12-21T07:06:09 antimatroid1: how are you putting the '\n' 's into the string stream? 2010-12-21T07:10:47 dmj111: tried both '\n' and endl 2010-12-21T07:11:21 trying a different method now, i might be able to just generate one lone string inside the process, then have a separate function to send it all in one sweep 2010-12-21T07:12:11 dmj111: http://marco-leise.homedns.org/antgui/v3/ you've seen this yeah? 2010-12-21T07:13:05 it does seem to give them to me if i do ss.str() though, then pass that string off to an output whatever 2010-12-21T07:15:46 Frontier: is it possible for the visualiser to animate between steps when i click forward? 2010-12-21T07:16:00 backwards is far less important 2010-12-21T07:16:24