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2010-12-22T00:42:18  <Frontier> antimatroid1: I see two reasons why centering the maps is bad. It is harder to debug them then and in some cases the ants don't take the shortest route to attack each others base so the desired effect of centering on the action is void.
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2010-12-22T00:57:01  <antimatroid1> Frontier: agreed, i do like your idea of a shaded edge though
2010-12-22T00:57:06  <antimatroid1> showing the other side of the wrappings
2010-12-22T00:57:41  <antimatroid1> the only issue is screen size/map size
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2010-12-22T01:01:17  <Frontier> maybe if i only add half a square on each side we get the benefit without the size problems
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2010-12-22T01:17:35  <antimatroid1> a whole square is probably fine :P
2010-12-22T01:17:43  <antimatroid1> i was thinking more like a border of 4 each side
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2010-12-22T02:14:19  * antimatroid1 thinks doing a tron variant would be silly
2010-12-22T02:14:42  <antimatroid1> i think we need a site for non-contest games
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2010-12-22T05:03:30  <Epona> hey
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2010-12-22T05:04:57  <sigh> hello
2010-12-22T05:06:17  <Epona> whatsup?
2010-12-22T05:07:05  <sigh> nothing much... trying to motivate myself to clean my room
2010-12-22T05:07:09  <sigh> so much junk o_O
2010-12-22T05:07:13  <Epona> lol
2010-12-22T05:07:16  <Epona> I never clean my room
2010-12-22T05:07:58  <Epona> idk how ill ever get gifts for my mom and sis
2010-12-22T05:08:09  <Epona> poor level = over 9000
2010-12-22T05:08:14  <sigh> :P
2010-12-22T05:08:42  <Epona> wanna see my idea for a GUI?
2010-12-22T05:08:51  <sigh> sure?
2010-12-22T05:09:25  <Epona> http://imgur.com/ZlFZ6
2010-12-22T05:09:30  <Epona> hopefully it looks something like this
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2010-12-22T05:10:45  <sigh> ah cool... so like a equation solving app?
2010-12-22T05:11:31  <Epona> yea, with threading and as much  equations as you want
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2010-12-22T05:12:56  <Epona> itll prolly be forever before I make it
2010-12-22T05:12:57  <sigh> what's the arrow going from the small box to the big box mean?
2010-12-22T05:13:09  <Epona> kind of like
2010-12-22T05:13:14  <Epona> whatever the output is
2010-12-22T05:13:26  <Epona> is what a variable of the summation equation will be
2010-12-22T05:13:44  <sigh> ah, i see what you mean
2010-12-22T05:14:02  <sigh> I suggest starting with something simpler, like one input box and one output
2010-12-22T05:14:35  <Epona> as soon as I master objects ill move onto the Tkinter stuff
2010-12-22T05:14:51  <Epona> its really cool that theyve added new stuf to python 3.1.3
2010-12-22T05:15:06  <sigh> cool, the graphics side of it should not be too hard
2010-12-22T05:18:21  <Epona> hmm
2010-12-22T05:32:21  <Epona> what stuff are you working on?
2010-12-22T05:34:27  <sigh> me? nothing much at the moment
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2010-12-22T05:37:53  <Epona> sounds nice
2010-12-22T06:36:51  <antimatroid1> milo is the best
2010-12-22T06:37:04  <Epona> milo?
2010-12-22T06:37:32  <antimatroid1> :O
2010-12-22T06:37:37  <antimatroid1> your life has been a lie
2010-12-22T06:37:45  <Epona> I laready knew this
2010-12-22T06:37:49  <Epona> already*
2010-12-22T06:38:08  <Epona> links?
2010-12-22T06:38:14  <antimatroid1> http://aussiefavourites.com.au/cornershop/images/nes_milo450.jpg
2010-12-22T06:38:26  <antimatroid1> "made from malted barley"
2010-12-22T06:38:33  <Epona> o.o
2010-12-22T06:41:45  <Epona> btw
2010-12-22T06:41:55  <Epona> I have an awesome idea for a GUI
2010-12-22T06:42:45  <Epona> idk if you saw it or not
2010-12-22T06:46:53  <antimatroid1> i did, didn't really get it?
2010-12-22T06:47:52  <Epona> o
2010-12-22T06:48:18  <Epona> Idk. I like building algorithms. just thought it would make it easier
2010-12-22T06:54:29  <antimatroid1> what are you trying to do?
2010-12-22T06:54:35  <antimatroid1> build up a way of representing functions?
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2010-12-22T06:58:03  <Epona> have the ability to stack as many of them into a GUI as I want
2010-12-22T06:58:33  <delt0r_> Epona: there are tools that already do this... I wrote one for my masters thesis...
2010-12-22T06:58:41  <delt0r_> AoI comes to mind
2010-12-22T06:59:03  <Epona> could you show me?
2010-12-22T06:59:12  <delt0r_> can do the procedural textures without a keyboard (more or less)
2010-12-22T06:59:18  <delt0r_> Art of Illusion
2010-12-22T06:59:33  <delt0r_> its a java 3d grfx program.
2010-12-22T06:59:36  <delt0r_> Open source
2010-12-22T07:01:17  <Epona> idk if this is what im looking for
2010-12-22T07:01:37  <delt0r_> well look around... its been don't quite a bit...
2010-12-22T07:01:47  <delt0r_> s/don't/done
2010-12-22T07:04:08  <Epona> dling it now
2010-12-22T07:05:07  <delt0r_> antimatroid1: I still call a hot chocolate a  milo here.
2010-12-22T07:05:12  <delt0r_> its pretty similar
2010-12-22T07:06:53  <Epona> so um
2010-12-22T07:07:01  <Epona> wheres the part the involves algorithms
2010-12-22T07:07:10  <Epona> this just looks like a 3d image editor
2010-12-22T07:07:19  <delt0r_> formula
2010-12-22T07:07:37  <antimatroid1> delt0r_: i do mine cold, with far too much milo
2010-12-22T07:07:53  <delt0r_> not "algorithms" --alto all algroithms can also be expressed as formula
2010-12-22T07:08:37  <delt0r_> Epona: add a texture --or a new texture and do the "procedural" one
2010-12-22T07:08:44  <delt0r_> antimatroid1: me too
2010-12-22T07:08:54  <delt0r_> after a cycle or a run.
2010-12-22T07:09:54  <antimatroid1> i can't get down with running, it's too much effort
2010-12-22T07:10:08  <antimatroid1> i got a bike halfway through the year which i use most of the time rather than my car now though
2010-12-22T07:10:12  <antimatroid1> and play (field) hockey
2010-12-22T07:10:23  <antimatroid1> so i get some time outside not sitting at a computer
2010-12-22T07:10:46  <antimatroid1> cannot believe i didn't get a bike years ago!
2010-12-22T07:12:08  <Epona> yea I think im just gonna keep working on the GUI
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2010-12-22T07:29:31  <delt0r_> I missed your link Epona
2010-12-22T07:29:45  <Epona> hold on
2010-12-22T07:29:52  <Epona> ive edited it a little more
2010-12-22T07:32:34  <Epona> http://imgur.com/UUgkt
2010-12-22T07:35:59  <delt0r_> Not sure what it does that something like just using R or something doesn't do?
2010-12-22T07:36:31  <Epona> R?
2010-12-22T07:38:55  <antimatroid1> stats packag
2010-12-22T07:39:37  <Epona> looks promisinh
2010-12-22T07:40:08  <antimatroid1> i don't like matlab
2010-12-22T07:40:18  <antimatroid1> it's like doing all the programming without doing any of the thinking
2010-12-22T07:41:00  <sigh> programming in matlab sucks
2010-12-22T07:41:14  <Epona> sooo. its not that well written
2010-12-22T07:41:18  <sigh> but it is pretty awesome for dealing with anything that involves matricies
2010-12-22T07:41:38  <antimatroid1> matrices are easy to deal with
2010-12-22T07:41:45  <antimatroid1> solving odes etc. and i would probably use it
2010-12-22T07:42:11  <antimatroid1> i got bored earlier in the year and wrote up gauss siedel in c++, they're usually fairly straight forward
2010-12-22T07:42:37  <antimatroid1> <3 wolfram alpha for my calculus of variations assignments, i hate solving messy des
2010-12-22T07:42:58  <Epona> walfram alpha is <3
2010-12-22T07:43:08  <Epona> thats what inspired me a lot
2010-12-22T07:43:30  <antimatroid1> my opinion is entirely based off the internets opinion, but wolfram seems like a real dick
2010-12-22T07:43:33  <delt0r_> try mathematica..
2010-12-22T07:43:44  <delt0r_> its good
2010-12-22T07:43:44  <antimatroid1> ^^ same person
2010-12-22T07:43:54  <delt0r_> R is free
2010-12-22T07:44:09  <antimatroid1> yeah, i've never really used R
2010-12-22T07:44:13  <antimatroid1> i use GAUSS for work
2010-12-22T07:44:35  <antimatroid1> although mostly just playing around with programs the person i ra for has
2010-12-22T07:44:40  <delt0r_> but a gui just can't easily capture the complexites of real work... there is a reason why RAD gui tools are not even popular for RAD devlopment
2010-12-22T07:44:50  <antimatroid1> i think she might let me just do stuff for her in c++ now though
2010-12-22T07:45:14  <delt0r_> GAUSS is for proofs and stuff IIRC ie combinatorial work yea?
2010-12-22T07:45:23  <antimatroid1> she does stats stuff with it
2010-12-22T07:45:36  <antimatroid1> she works with fairly large data sets doing macroeconomics
2010-12-22T07:45:56  <antimatroid1> good for working with matrices
2010-12-22T07:46:06  <antimatroid1> but it isn't as flexible as c++
2010-12-22T07:46:14  <sigh> hmm... haven't heard of GAUSS before
2010-12-22T07:46:23  <sigh> doesn't the guy have enough things named after him without having a software package too?
2010-12-22T07:46:44  <antimatroid1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAUSS_(software)
2010-12-22T07:46:55  <antimatroid1> there will never be enough things named after gauss or euler
2010-12-22T07:47:05  <antimatroid1> those men are true giants
2010-12-22T07:47:38  <sigh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_topics_named_after_Carl_Friedrich_Gauss
2010-12-22T07:47:43  <delt0r_> very domain specific
2010-12-22T07:47:43  <sigh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_topics_named_after_Leonhard_Euler
2010-12-22T07:47:53  <delt0r_> GAUSS that is
2010-12-22T07:48:47  <Epona> this looks awesome
2010-12-22T07:49:21  <antimatroid1> it's interesting how a lot of the names associated to different things in maths are all wrong
2010-12-22T07:49:25  <antimatroid1> often cyclically
2010-12-22T07:51:12  <delt0r_> antimatroid1: did your gauss seidel use a multigrid solver?
2010-12-22T07:51:12  <sigh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigler%27s_law_of_eponymy
2010-12-22T07:51:26  * sigh is a wikipedia bot
2010-12-22T07:52:18  <antimatroid1> delt0r_: doubtful, i did check whether the matrix could be made diagonally dominant, but that wasn't hard
2010-12-22T07:52:34  <delt0r_> so no then...
2010-12-22T07:52:39  <antimatroid1> no :P
2010-12-22T07:53:04  <antimatroid1> our numerics class was with engineers, so it was a little too easy
2010-12-22T07:53:05  <delt0r_> Its easy to do with diagonal systems... ie Poisson PDE
2010-12-22T07:53:07  <delt0r_> or CFD
2010-12-22T07:54:09  <antimatroid1> i don't really understand pde's very well
2010-12-22T07:54:39  <antimatroid1> our class really could have been given under the physics department as an applied computation class, not much was explained theory wise, which i need to understand something
2010-12-22T07:55:07  <antimatroid1> i don't do well by learning the steps to solve something rather than why those steps solve it
2010-12-22T07:55:22  <sigh> it's magic!
2010-12-22T07:55:46  <antimatroid1> the best kind of magic is that where its still awesome once explained
2010-12-22T07:55:51  <antimatroid1> it's*
2010-12-22T08:04:07  <Epona> be back in a bit, dishes
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2010-12-22T09:23:17  <Epona> k
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2010-12-22T09:31:46  <antimatroid1> that was a long washing the dishes session
2010-12-22T09:31:58  <Epona> I take my time
2010-12-22T09:32:00  <Epona> and
2010-12-22T09:32:04  <Epona> lots of dishes
2010-12-22T09:34:07  <Epona> whatsup?
2010-12-22T09:35:31  <antimatroid1> not much, reading reddit
2010-12-22T09:35:44  <antimatroid1> i haven't done anything on the ant game today, meh
2010-12-22T09:35:50  <antimatroid1> what about you?
2010-12-22T09:36:03  <Epona> looking at input and output for python
2010-12-22T09:37:25  <Epona> lol
2010-12-22T09:37:39  <Epona> the changes between 2.7 and 3.1 are sometimes odd
2010-12-22T09:37:48  <Epona> Tkinter now equals tkinter
2010-12-22T09:37:50  <Epona> wat
2010-12-22T09:40:32  <Epona> where do you live, antimatroid1
2010-12-22T09:40:33  <Epona> ?
2010-12-22T09:47:03  <Epona> >.>
2010-12-22T09:48:42  <antimatroid1> tasmania
2010-12-22T09:48:51  <antimatroid1> sorry, got myself in a semi argument on reddit
2010-12-22T09:48:54  <antimatroid1> i'm good at that
2010-12-22T09:48:57  <Epona> lol
2010-12-22T09:48:58  <antimatroid1> where are you?
2010-12-22T09:49:03  <Epona> everytime I go on 4chan that happens
2010-12-22T09:49:05  <Epona> florida
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2010-12-22T09:49:54  <Epona> y so far away!
2010-12-22T09:50:02  <antimatroid1> australia is awesome
2010-12-22T09:50:10  <antimatroid1> i couldn't live in america i don't think
2010-12-22T09:50:38  <antimatroid1> most of the people are alright, but there is so much accepted violence in so many ways and the foreign policy, bleh :P
2010-12-22T09:51:10  <antimatroid1> the politicians aren't much better here either though
2010-12-22T09:51:22  <Epona> politicians are all evil these days
2010-12-22T09:52:57  <Epona> do you know what that ant gui was written in
2010-12-22T09:53:17  <antimatroid1> html5?
2010-12-22T09:53:21  <antimatroid1> not sure, ask frontier
2010-12-22T09:54:16  <Epona> I need something like the ants
2010-12-22T09:54:23  <Epona> to act as pointers
2010-12-22T09:54:31  <sigh> ant giu is written using html canvas
2010-12-22T09:54:40  <sigh> which is part of html 5, yes
2010-12-22T09:55:12  <sigh> just get up to speed on javascript and you should be fine :)
2010-12-22T09:57:52  <antimatroid1> sigh: you're usually not up this late, on holidays already?
2010-12-22T09:58:15  <sigh> yeah, I've taken this week off
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2010-12-22T09:59:07  <antimatroid1> always a wise decision
2010-12-22T09:59:24  <sigh> :)
2010-12-22T09:59:44  <sigh> still, I should try to keep a sensible sleep schedule
2010-12-22T09:59:48  <sigh> night :P
2010-12-22T09:59:58  <antimatroid1> hehe, night
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2010-12-22T11:31:54  <Frontier> Epona: The guy is written in JavaScript using the HTML canvas
2010-12-22T11:33:18  <Epona> thx
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2010-12-22T21:16:28  <dmj111> antimatroid1: so, you probably figured this out by now, but is your "\n" problem just because you are on windows?
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2010-12-22T21:24:12  <antimatroid1> dmj111: haven't worked out the issue, but yes i'm on windows
2010-12-22T21:24:19  <antimatroid1> but ideally it should work on any system
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2010-12-22T21:45:24  <dmj111> if you have "\n"s without \r's in a string, many windows programs don't show the new line at all.  not sure if that is what you are seeing.  ( and yes, ideally it should work anywhere :) )
2010-12-22T21:49:42  <antimatroid1> i see the new lines when outputting, but maybe the process isn't collecting them right
2010-12-22T21:49:47  <antimatroid1> i'll play around later, cheers
2010-12-22T21:53:27  <dmj111> ok.  have fun.  if you have the code posted anywhere already, let me know and I will take a look.
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2010-12-22T22:18:37  <antimatroid1> dmj111: no current version is posted anywhere, i'm busy atm but i'll play around later and put a copy up for people
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