2011-01-02T00:04:38 antimatroid: draw a graph differently? 2011-01-02T00:15:09 sigh: you index a single variable graph (x,y) but x is like the columns axes, and y the row, and row goes up for increasing rather than down 2011-01-02T00:15:37 i am pedantic about things being consistent :P 2011-01-02T00:15:57 it caused me a lot of confusion when learning matrices that it was switched though 2011-01-02T00:17:05 even now, i sometimes come across people that want to index 2d vectors as [x][y] (graph) rather than [i][j] (matrix), and for god knows what reason, my graphics lecturer insisted we use xzy instead of xyz when drawing coordinate systems in 3d 2011-01-02T00:17:12 oh, your mean like graphs that you plot with 2011-01-02T00:17:15 that is confusing as hell when i'm used to xyz 2011-01-02T00:17:18 yes 2011-01-02T00:17:37 thought you meant the other kind, since there was a discussion about graph theory before 2011-01-02T00:17:52 yeah sorry, i do dislike those two having the same name too :P 2011-01-02T00:18:12 well, kind of 2011-01-02T00:29:06 * antimatroid is hating on c++ templates 2011-01-02T00:29:44 are you trying to implement a tensor template again? :P 2011-01-02T00:30:04 i'm playing around with my entire game theory library (doing a big clean up) 2011-01-02T00:30:18 ah, fair enough 2011-01-02T00:30:27 i hate that i can't declare stuff in headers then define it all in the cpp file 2011-01-02T00:30:35 everything gets so messy 2011-01-02T00:30:53 and i hate not being allowed to use std namespace 2011-01-02T00:30:53 yeah, because c++ wanted to be compatible with c 2011-01-02T00:31:02 essentially a pr move :P 2011-01-02T00:32:30 is it considered bad if i just have my own namespace for a group of files 2011-01-02T00:32:38 cause then one doesn't have to worry about linking crap 2011-01-02T00:32:51 you don't? 2011-01-02T00:32:53 what do you mean? 2011-01-02T00:33:17 nope, if i just add everything to a namespace and include that namespace in my main file, then no linking is required 2011-01-02T00:33:29 it's cool, but i'm not sure if that's considered bad or not 2011-01-02T00:34:22 I'm not sure how namespaces relate to linking *shrug* 2011-01-02T00:35:05 i have no idea, i just know it makes ones life a lot easier 2011-01-02T00:48:22 *** delt0r___ has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T00:49:33 *** Utkarsh has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-01-02T00:49:49 *** Utkarsh has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T00:50:08 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2011-01-02T01:18:01 *** yasith_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-01-02T01:29:11 *** yasith_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T01:31:33 anyone here do much c++ programming? 2011-01-02T01:31:37 dmj111: you about? :P 2011-01-02T02:13:57 *** bhasker has quit IRC (Quit: bhasker) 2011-01-02T02:36:01 *** Rubicon-|-Cross has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-01-02T02:38:28 *** bhasker has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T02:49:21 *** wh1teside_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T02:49:57 *** wh1teside has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-01-02T03:06:12 *** boegel has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T04:03:17 antimatroid: Lots of C++ 2011-01-02T04:03:34 there is a reason why I avoid C/C++ when i can ;) 2011-01-02T04:03:55 However most of my C++ was before the "boost" days... 2011-01-02T04:04:33 also when i started compilers will still having a hard time with templates 2011-01-02T04:10:30 *** Palmik has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T04:11:59 *** mega1 has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T04:13:01 delt0r___: i haven't been using boost anyway 2011-01-02T04:13:23 i wanted to keep it so someone could use it without installing additional libraries 2011-01-02T04:16:10 hmmm i am starting to really despise c++ 2011-01-02T04:16:24 maybe i should just jump ship to haskell 2011-01-02T04:16:44 *** yasith_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2011-01-02T04:17:23 well for a reference implementation i would recomend C++/Java/Python 2011-01-02T04:17:42 i couldn't use java 2011-01-02T04:17:49 and python doesn't have function overloading does it? 2011-01-02T04:17:54 Haskell quite difficult to do properlly like mondas 2011-01-02T04:17:54 can i overload operators at least? 2011-01-02T04:17:59 yes it does 2011-01-02T04:18:01 well, at least define them 2011-01-02T04:18:18 and why not java... it copies its syntax from C/C++ 2011-01-02T04:18:44 can i define operators and overload functions/ make variables for different scopes etc.? 2011-01-02T04:18:52 i couldn't go back on being able to do that 2011-01-02T04:19:26 well that would make you a not a very good programmer 2011-01-02T04:19:37 i never claimed to be a good programmer :) 2011-01-02T04:19:43 switching syles and lanuages is the mark of programming 2011-01-02T04:20:05 An "operator" is just a badly named function 2011-01-02T04:20:06 yes, but i like being able to reuse stuff, otherwise i'd end up with lots of different names for things 2011-01-02T04:20:14 ?? 2011-01-02T04:20:15 what about operators for matrices? 2011-01-02T04:20:17 wtf 2011-01-02T04:20:34 i don't want to type mult(A, B), A*B is nicer 2011-01-02T04:20:45 I think your problem is that you just need to write more code... I mean C++ didn't really work out that well for you so far 2011-01-02T04:21:22 You seem to have all these ideas about whats good and bad, that really have little to do with what really is good or bad 2011-01-02T04:21:24 even better would be if i could set operator precedence, so I could write A*B^4 rather than A*(B^4) 2011-01-02T04:21:39 my idea of good vs bad is the amount i have to type 2011-01-02T04:22:11 and i need to be able to understand what i wrote easily 2011-01-02T04:22:24 then perl is perfect for you 2011-01-02T04:22:41 it's much harder to understand an equation of the form 2011-01-02T04:22:41 mult(A, pow(B, 4)) for example 2011-01-02T04:22:45 typing amounts to less that .01% of the time coding 2011-01-02T04:22:50 and even worse as it gets more complex 2011-01-02T04:23:00 saving typing at the expense of other things is silly 2011-01-02T04:23:12 i am a very silly person 2011-01-02T04:23:17 also in C++ you cannot alter the copy symatics 2011-01-02T04:23:43 where if you use methods you can have things done in place if you need it for performance reasons 2011-01-02T04:23:56 for operators 2011-01-02T04:24:08 :s? 2011-01-02T04:24:37 lisp does it right (+ (* 3 4) (* 7 8) (* (- a b))) 2011-01-02T04:25:09 would i prefer lisp or perl to haskell? 2011-01-02T04:25:17 everyone says mathsy people love haskell 2011-01-02T04:25:21 and so far it seems good 2011-01-02T04:25:27 but haven't really learnt heaps yet 2011-01-02T04:25:29 perl is a horrible lang ... even the coder can't read their own code 2011-01-02T04:25:47 often folks joke about "write once, read never" 2011-01-02T04:25:49 code 2011-01-02T04:26:06 haskell is not a very "popular" lanuage... 2011-01-02T04:26:18 so "people love it" is very relative... 2011-01-02T04:26:31 is worth learning... just to teach you to think differently 2011-01-02T04:26:44 i don't need popular, most things i will ever program no one else will ever read 2011-01-02T04:26:48 but otherwise.... getting real things done... it has problems 2011-01-02T04:27:13 unless you want to learn arrows/monads which is still have problems with 2011-01-02T04:27:58 You want popular if you want someone else you be able to look at your code... or you want compiliers that are mature for different platforms 2011-01-02T04:28:16 but haskell pretty much has just one "complier" these days 2011-01-02T04:28:18 the GHC 2011-01-02T04:29:02 while look at lisp... there are not just many free versions, there are quite a few commercial ones as well 2011-01-02T04:29:30 And trust me... if others don't look at your code... bugs will lurk... 2011-01-02T04:29:56 Its very -------Humiliating keeping your source code open :D 2011-01-02T04:30:29 yeah, my code is horrible so people get a good chuckle when i show them anything 2011-01-02T04:30:38 and I thought we are talking about a reference impl for this comp. In which case a "popular" language is a really really good idea.. 2011-01-02T04:30:58 nah, what i'm playing around with atm is my own personal game theory library 2011-01-02T04:31:15 i think they want to use python for the contest 2011-01-02T04:31:22 i really ought to learn more of that sometime too 2011-01-02T04:31:28 writing a library is very hard to do 2011-01-02T04:31:57 Its one area where i would be very strict with "test drivien design" 2011-01-02T04:32:33 my friend and i have already been working on it for over a year, but i'm at the point where i don't want to work on algo's anymore before getting an actual backend structurally sound 2011-01-02T04:32:54 and i've never been happy with it in c++ 2011-01-02T04:33:08 if i use templates everything has to be in header files, which is just messy 2011-01-02T04:34:36 C++ instance on many files for a single class is very annoying... After useing java, you realize how silly it is... it was a throw back to the C header files that serve a real purpose.. 2011-01-02T04:35:22 Of course if you are not doing templates then it can still serve a purpose... 2011-01-02T04:37:02 antimatroid: Sorry earlier i sounded pretty harsh (about good programing)... It was not my intention...Sounded nice out loud the way i said it out loud 2011-01-02T04:37:44 *** fgump has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-01-02T04:41:09 delt0r___: no offense taken :) 2011-01-02T04:41:29 oh --good 2011-01-02T04:41:31 i don't intend to work as a programmer and have terrible programming practices 2011-01-02T04:47:24 *** boegel has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-01-02T05:04:43 antimatroid: You still can improve them... they will save you time.. even for small scripts 2011-01-02T05:18:21 i am still learning as i go along 2011-01-02T05:18:30 delt0r___: perl is not that bad... you can write incomprehensible code in any language 2011-01-02T05:18:48 but i'm mostly interested in doing stuff how i find it easiest, rather than what's considered better for lots of people working on something etc. 2011-01-02T05:19:17 yea.. but in perl you can't *not* write incomprehensible code -- 2011-01-02T05:19:19 antimatroid: I suggest playing around with python more, then 2011-01-02T05:19:27 Sorry worked with perl too much 2011-01-02T05:19:29 delt0r___: sure you can 2011-01-02T05:19:30 hate the thing 2011-01-02T05:19:42 well find me a perl coder that does? 2011-01-02T05:19:43 I've worked with perl a bit too :P 2011-01-02T05:19:51 all the libs are awfull 2011-01-02T05:20:06 the comercial sector is moving away from perl now 2011-01-02T05:20:07 is there a python tutorial as entertaining as learn you a haskell? 2011-01-02T05:20:28 all programming tutorials should be of that nature 2011-01-02T05:20:39 bioinformatics (my field kinda) still beats that dead horse 2011-01-02T05:21:51 does that cover phenology at all? 2011-01-02T05:21:55 yes 2011-01-02T05:22:07 there are some maths/physics people at my uni who seem to be working on that kind of stuff 2011-01-02T05:22:23 I do population genetics... after doing a physics Masters 2011-01-02T05:22:30 yea 2011-01-02T05:22:57 is it worth learning lie algebras? 2011-01-02T05:23:14 Unless you do global warming, CERN or quantum computing... Physics funding is thin on the ground 2011-01-02T05:23:27 i haven't done any physics anyway 2011-01-02T05:23:40 my undergrad majors were cs, economics and maths, atm i think i'm still planning a phd in economics 2011-01-02T05:23:41 while bioinformatics can't give the money away fast enough 2011-01-02T05:23:50 although will probably have thesis using a fair bit of game theory 2011-01-02T05:24:41 i have at least a year before i need to make such a decision though 2011-01-02T05:24:52 i really should do some stuff to get ready for the maths gre this summer too 2011-01-02T05:25:18 apparently they had a lot more analysis than algebra this year :( 2011-01-02T05:25:29 last year* 2011-01-02T05:31:11 so what is a lot of units... 2011-01-02T05:31:35 was thinking of 8 fighters, 8 gun ships, 8 arty, 2 destroys 2011-01-02T05:31:57 how long is a piece of string 2011-01-02T05:32:09 well for "coordination" ? 2011-01-02T05:32:19 don't want to make it too hard for newbs 2011-01-02T05:38:17 how much do the maps vary? 2011-01-02T05:39:14 it needs to be hard enough that decent people will put a good effort in 2011-01-02T05:39:26 hard/interesting 2011-01-02T05:39:35 it sounds interesting enough 2011-01-02T05:49:24 it will be very hard to play well 2011-01-02T05:49:34 perhaps even humans will do well 2011-01-02T05:49:38 at least for a while 2011-01-02T05:49:57 The nebula affects speed and weapon range 2011-01-02T05:50:04 and sight distance 2011-01-02T05:50:17 so working with the map can make a massive difference 2011-01-02T05:50:55 but all dust is "traversalable" so you don't need a A* or anything to have a bot work 2011-01-02T05:51:12 as for the maps... not so random right now... 2011-01-02T06:01:24 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T06:02:51 *** delt0r___ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-01-02T06:08:17 delt0r_: but we will be able to have a random map generator yeah? 2011-01-02T06:08:27 yes 2011-01-02T06:08:32 But thats easy 2011-01-02T06:08:41 if you gave me an example map i could knock a map generator up for you 2011-01-02T06:11:28 haha, you love making map generators 2011-01-02T06:11:54 Its fine... 2011-01-02T06:12:14 I want them to be a bit structured... so i already have some code ready to go 2011-01-02T06:12:45 * antimatroid would prefer random maps for the actual contest 2011-01-02T06:13:20 and i think people want maps like they'll get at the end right near the start (from the outcry about the new map generator in planet wars) 2011-01-02T06:13:37 sigh: it's kind of fun writing them :P 2011-01-02T06:14:13 the programming is easy, it's a matter of working out how to do it, which is usually fun for anything 2011-01-02T06:14:35 if i spend considerable amount of time working out how to program what i want to do, then i get bored 2011-01-02T06:35:38 *** Palmik has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-01-02T06:35:58 *** Palmik has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T06:38:26 *** Frontier has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T06:51:27 *** Naktibalda has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T06:54:29 *** Frontier has left #aichallenge 2011-01-02T07:31:58 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-01-02T08:12:59 *** yasith has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T09:27:06 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-01-02T10:07:07 *** mega1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-01-02T10:19:48 antimatroid: haskell allows you to set operator precedence, btw 2011-01-02T10:21:52 and i think the difficulty of monads is overblown, and monads are given too much emphasis in the first place. the only thing about Monad that's special is that it has some optional syntax sugar 2011-01-02T10:34:50 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T10:55:59 jmcarthur: either way many people struggle with arrows and Monads. Many "practical" coding examples use them 2011-01-02T11:13:33 *** amriedle has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T11:18:20 *** yasith has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-01-02T11:29:08 *** BtbN has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2011-01-02T11:29:18 *** BtbN has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T11:30:12 *** yasith has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T11:46:38 *** boegel has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T12:02:41 delt0r_: i think they struggle with it because they expect to, mainly 2011-01-02T12:04:31 and as far as "practical" coding examples go, i assume you are talking about IO. as long as you can understand "do this, then do this," which should be easy coming from an imperative language, i don't see why that would be so difficult 2011-01-02T12:05:16 delt0r_: arrows are completely unnecessary. i've never seen coding example for beginners use Arrow 2011-01-02T12:10:14 do this, then do this is very unsatisfying if you really want to understand it. 2011-01-02T12:10:54 and folks that take haskell are typically not just there for the credits (mostly) 2011-01-02T12:42:45 delt0r_: i _think_ by "do this, then do this", jmcarthur was talking about sequencing operations, not cookbook programming. 2011-01-02T12:43:42 Oh 2011-01-02T12:43:44 right 2011-01-02T12:43:45 yea 2011-01-02T12:43:59 I pretend that there is state.... ;) 2011-01-02T12:44:19 yeah. me too. 2011-01-02T12:44:20 there *is* state 2011-01-02T12:44:32 IO is an imperative DSL 2011-01-02T12:44:47 yea-- but its hidden 2011-01-02T12:44:54 how is it hidden? 2011-01-02T12:46:16 there are still no "side effects" thats the point off monads (or so I thought...) Perhaps i need to go over it again... haven't done much haskell for quite a while 2011-01-02T12:46:43 this is just a product of giving monads too much special attention. they are not at all special 2011-01-02T12:46:54 and the only thing special about IO is that it's not implementable in pure haskell 2011-01-02T12:48:45 i have flirted with haskell several times, but have not written much of it. I really enjoy reading wadler's papers. 2011-01-02T12:49:10 there are some cool benefits to how haskell models IO, but you can treat IO as a normal imperative language 2011-01-02T12:50:13 Most of the stuff I looked at and played with only used IO for ... IO. I was more interested in lower level calculation and data structure type things. 2011-01-02T12:50:24 i daresay that it's just a sin bin. "i don't really know how to model this in pure code. whatever, i'll just throw it in IO" 2011-01-02T12:50:47 dmj111: as opposed to using IO for... not IO? ;) 2011-01-02T12:51:30 :) yep. instead of using it for imperative programming, using it to print stuff to the screen. 2011-01-02T12:51:44 that's mostly what it's used for in haskell anyway 2011-01-02T12:51:57 it's very rare to use it for imperative algorithms 2011-01-02T12:52:28 normally when you have an imperative algorithm to implement you would do it in ST because then you can make a pure function out of it and use it in pure code 2011-01-02T12:53:32 i used ST for arrays once, but don't really learn how to do things on the first try :) 2011-01-02T12:53:52 the hard thing about ST is its use of higher ranked types 2011-01-02T12:54:11 I really think Either is magic. Monad's might not be special, but Either looks cool every time I look at it. 2011-01-02T12:54:19 lol 2011-01-02T12:54:24 it's not special either 2011-01-02T12:54:53 no :) but I love how the idea simplifies some problems. 2011-01-02T12:55:01 that is the magic part, I guess. 2011-01-02T12:55:21 i find that Maybe gets used a lot more often 2011-01-02T12:55:46 Yeah, it seems a lot more "common case". It is magic too. 2011-01-02T12:55:49 :) 2011-01-02T12:55:56 things get "magical" when you start relating the type system to other areas of math 2011-01-02T12:56:19 that gets beyond my haskell expertise. 2011-01-02T12:57:14 Either a b => a+b; (a, b) => a*b; a->b => b^a 2011-01-02T12:57:37 if you think of types as sets then those formulas compute the number of elements in the set 2011-01-02T12:57:58 so if a has m members and b has n members, Either a b has a+b members 2011-01-02T12:58:13 and the familiar algebraic laws apply 2011-01-02T12:58:17 as far as equivalences 2011-01-02T12:59:04 I'm not sure I have read any of that before. pretty neat. 2011-01-02T12:59:12 for example, a*b+a*c ~= a*(b+c) 2011-01-02T12:59:31 meaning there is an equivalence relation between Either (a,b) (a,c) and (a, Either b c) 2011-01-02T13:00:13 that is, you can always write a function to switch between either representation 2011-01-02T13:00:22 currying is also expressible in this notation 2011-01-02T13:01:38 cool. learning haskell definitely feels more mathematical than other languages (whose names I won't mention to protect the presumed innocent) 2011-01-02T13:02:05 a->b->c ==> (c^b)^a ==> b^(a*b) ==> (a,b)->c 2011-01-02T13:02:17 i messed that up 2011-01-02T13:02:26 third step should be c^(a*b) 2011-01-02T13:02:58 that's one of the ways to think of it in math 2011-01-02T13:03:05 the other way is much more useful in my opinon 2011-01-02T13:03:08 *opinion 2011-01-02T13:03:36 types represent logic propositions, and values represent their constructive proofs 2011-01-02T13:04:12 that's the basis of theorem provers and programming languages that allow you to make compiler-checked proofs about your code 2011-01-02T13:04:28 that's a bit beyond what haskell is capable of though 2011-01-02T13:05:11 for a simple example, the type of function composition is modus ponens 2011-01-02T13:05:26 if A implies B and B implies C then A implies C 2011-01-02T13:05:49 (.) :: (b -> c) -> (a -> b) -> (a -> c) 2011-01-02T13:06:30 Either is logical or, (,) is logical and, (->) is logical implication 2011-01-02T13:08:32 maybe stuff like what i was just saying is what gives haskell it's overly academic/difficult reputation 2011-01-02T13:09:05 maybe :) but still, more interesting then much other stuff that is out there. 2011-01-02T13:15:23 *** antimatroid1 has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T13:17:06 *** antimatroid has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-01-02T13:25:17 *** yasith has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2011-01-02T13:30:00 *** Cold-Phoenix has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T14:03:27 *** delt0r___ has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T14:04:43 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-01-02T14:07:43 *** Utkarsh has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2011-01-02T14:12:00 *** Utkarsh has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T14:16:35 *** Utkarsh has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2011-01-02T14:32:45 *** dmj111 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-01-02T14:39:33 http://mitpokerbots.com/competition 2011-01-02T14:39:41 looks awesome, but i think it's for mit students only 2011-01-02T14:45:42 i've thought that texas holdem would be a fun game to make AI for 2011-01-02T14:46:00 not the most exciting to watch though 2011-01-02T14:46:24 i like the idea of bluffing, in AI 2011-01-02T14:46:47 i've been trying to think of how one could introduce bluffing in a simpler game that's more fun to watch 2011-01-02T14:49:24 if you imagine that each bot is assigned two properties randomly chosen from a set of three possible, where one is visible to the other bot and the other isn't, and where the combination of the two properties affects your optimal strategy, then i can see bluffing becoming a part of a game 2011-01-02T14:49:48 the randomness isn't strictly necessary, but the assignment must be invisible to your opponent at least 2011-01-02T14:50:08 can't you bluff with normal poker? 2011-01-02T14:50:14 why go to texas holdem? 2011-01-02T14:50:25 yeah, but texas holdem draws it out more 2011-01-02T14:50:33 gives you more chances to change your mind 2011-01-02T14:50:40 (and lose more money) 2011-01-02T14:50:45 i'm pretty bummed that this contest isn't open 2011-01-02T14:50:58 what's "normal" poker anyway? ;) 2011-01-02T14:51:21 stud? two-card draw? 2011-01-02T14:52:20 meh, i haven't played poker in years :P 2011-01-02T14:52:34 and even then i would have been a kid, so probably wasn't doing it right 2011-01-02T14:52:56 ah 2011-01-02T14:53:21 texas holdem is really just the current hotness in the poker world 2011-01-02T14:53:29 but it also happens to be my favorite variant 2011-01-02T15:09:13 *** tapwater has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T15:18:33 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2011-01-02T15:28:31 *** mega1 has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T15:31:06 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T15:31:48 *** boegel has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-01-02T15:41:37 *** dmj111 has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T15:56:22 *** Naktibalda has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-01-02T16:03:45 *** Migi32 has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T16:21:04 *** fmeyer has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T16:22:02 *** fmeyer has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T16:30:38 *** Utkarsh has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T17:12:20 you know what would be awesome? real time stratego 2011-01-02T17:13:08 that is, an rts where you know where all your opponents units are but not what kind they are until you fight them 2011-01-02T17:14:10 the flag thing might be tough to adapt to real time though 2011-01-02T17:14:14 flags and bombs can't move 2011-01-02T17:14:50 maybe it could be a "king" instead of a flag 2011-01-02T17:14:53 so it can move 2011-01-02T17:16:45 could be extra tough if not only can you not tell what kind of unit a particular unit is but there's also a fog of war 2011-01-02T17:18:10 because then even if you know what kind of unit it is, if it moves out of your vision you might not be able to figure it out the next time you see it 2011-01-02T17:20:32 hmm... might be nice to stick with flags and bombs actually since a stationary unit could be your opponent's flag, a bomb, *or* a moveable unit that's just pretending to be immovable 2011-01-02T17:21:43 *** choas has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T17:22:04 *** Palmik has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-01-02T17:25:59 *** choas has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-01-02T17:31:01 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-01-02T17:31:01 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-01-02T17:36:42 amstan! real time stratego! it would be awesome, and you know it 2011-01-02T17:37:03 i have no idea about it yet lol 2011-01-02T17:37:17 let me unpack/repack and move first 2011-01-02T17:37:22 just came from florida 2011-01-02T17:37:26 bah 2011-01-02T17:37:43 i wasn't saying you must make a decision or something 2011-01-02T17:49:36 *** Accoun has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2011-01-02T17:49:36 *** fmeyer has quit IRC (*.net 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