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2011-02-14T00:31:01  <antimatroid> hmmm i once read somewhere that if i had a destructor or copy function in c++ i strictly had to declare the other one
2011-02-14T00:31:10  <antimatroid> but now i can't find anywhere saying such a thing, is that true?
2011-02-14T00:41:16  <jbroman> antimatroid: Not required insofar as the compiler needs, it but insofar as it is a "good idea" in most cases.
2011-02-14T00:41:22  <jbroman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_three_(C%2B%2B_programming)
2011-02-14T00:44:59  <antimatroid> jbroman: cheers
2011-02-14T01:10:49  <antimatroid> hmmm annoying
2011-02-14T01:11:04  <antimatroid> jbroman: want to take another c++ question? :P
2011-02-14T01:11:48  <antimatroid> I have a struct called Bug with a function, template <class C> Bug& operator<<(Bug &bug, const C &c)
2011-02-14T01:12:00  <antimatroid> but it wont take endl in as that template value
2011-02-14T01:12:03  <antimatroid> i really need it to :P
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2011-02-14T01:18:41  <antimatroid> nevermind, flushing the output stream every time i throw something at it works
2011-02-14T01:19:16  <antimatroid> ofstream*
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2011-02-14T13:00:37  <CIA-15> aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * r021e6a7 / (8 files in 3 dirs): Minor changes. Started on second map gen method. - http://bit.ly/fEf1Oh
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2011-02-14T15:51:26  <McLeopold> flag: can you share your c bot?
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2011-02-14T16:13:09  <McLeopold> contestbot later tell j3camero idea: during the run up to the final, ask each organization participating if they would be willing to sponsor an EC2 instance for the 3 days of the finals, about $50?
2011-02-14T16:13:09  <contestbot> McLeopold: I come to serve.
2011-02-14T16:13:42  <McLeopold> amstan_: I'm assuming you use ubuntu server edition?
2011-02-14T16:13:48  <amstan_> yes
2011-02-14T16:13:54  <McLeopold> is there a virtual box?
2011-02-14T16:14:07  <McLeopold> Or, preconfigured system?
2011-02-14T16:17:57  <flag> McLeopold: just out of curiousity or... ? it doesn't really do anything interesting ATM, just mostly erratic movement
2011-02-14T16:20:59  <flag> http://www.mediafire.com/?vzcyg1566o9odm1
2011-02-14T16:21:27  <flag> keep in mind it takes the entire map as input every turn, not just the updates
2011-02-14T16:27:52  <McLeopold> flag: I'm looking to organize starter bots
2011-02-14T16:28:32  <McLeopold> Maybe we should create a simple starter bot algo?
2011-02-14T16:29:07  <flag> sure
2011-02-14T16:29:47  <flag> I was planning on adding distance and tracking of individual ants (this one just reorders them based on the order they're found on the map every time)
2011-02-14T16:30:54  <McLeopold> I'm thinking a starter bot should be Hunter Bot.
2011-02-14T16:31:11  <flag> The algo I wrote in YourCode.c is supposed to make an ant  follow a wall but with a different initial direction based on its ant id
2011-02-14T16:31:14  <McLeopold> I realize this is different from your actual bot.
2011-02-14T16:31:30  <McLeopold> That's what LeftyBot does. :)
2011-02-14T16:31:35  <flag> ah
2011-02-14T16:31:47  <McLeopold> it's a horrible design, probably
2011-02-14T16:32:01  <flag> Well as a starter pack it isn't too bad I suppose
2011-02-14T16:32:06  <McLeopold> they kept hitting each other and then going in circles
2011-02-14T16:32:30  <McLeopold> I figure a wall hugging bot ought to be an example bot.
2011-02-14T16:32:42  <flag> Obviously a real solution would have the ants actively trying to collect food and attack enemies, but for an example bot it should be fine
2011-02-14T16:33:18  <McLeopold> So, each starter pack should come with a "MyBot" file
2011-02-14T16:33:39  <McLeopold> In some languages there will be an ants class file along with it
2011-02-14T16:34:12  <McLeopold> So, aside from getting input and sending output, I think each starter pack needs to functions
2011-02-14T16:34:20  <McLeopold> get_distance and get_direction
2011-02-14T16:34:35  <McLeopold> that way people can see how to code for the map wrapping around
2011-02-14T16:35:00  <flag> sounds good
2011-02-14T16:35:22  <McLeopold> Anything else would be too much, so no pathfinding in the starter packs
2011-02-14T16:35:57  <McLeopold> But, we should also include the logic not to send 2 ants to the same spot, so they can see that as well.
2011-02-14T16:36:26  <flag> Probably best to add this to the wiki
2011-02-14T16:36:40  <flag> Under something like "starter pack guidelines"
2011-02-14T16:39:48  <McLeopold> Yeah, I should
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2011-02-14T17:10:27  <McLeopold> flag: while(42)?  I like it
2011-02-14T17:11:59  <antimatroid> McLeopold: that sounds good for the starter bots
2011-02-14T17:12:14  <McLeopold> can you do the starter bot guidelines?
2011-02-14T17:12:18  <antimatroid> i want them to be pretty stupid so almost anyone can download a pack and get improving within the hour
2011-02-14T17:12:34  <McLeopold> Yeah, HunterBot is stupid enough
2011-02-14T17:12:52  <McLeopold> And it shows the coordinate system well.
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2011-02-14T17:13:40  <McLeopold> We could even make it dumber
2011-02-14T17:15:54  <Zannick> just make a dumber bot
2011-02-14T17:16:11  <Zannick> package both in as sample bots
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2011-02-14T17:33:19  <flag> McLeopold: :)
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2011-02-14T17:47:50  <antimatroid1> McLeopold: my original intention was to have the starter bots be as stupid as go through the grid finding ants, move each into the first non ant or wall square going north, east, south then west
2011-02-14T17:48:15  <antimatroid1> avoids friendly collisions and couldn't be much stupider without doing nothing
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2011-02-14T18:46:25  <jbroman> People who care: IBM's "Watson" will appear on Jeopardy today (as well as Tuesday and Wednesday).
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2011-02-14T20:17:32  <antimatroid> jmcarthur: you about?
2011-02-14T20:18:18  <antimatroid> i'm disliking the fact that spawning and fighting aren't blocked by walls
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2011-02-14T20:21:55  <jmcarthur> antimatroid: i assume you have been playing around with it? i don't really have an opinion on it right now, but i haven't been thinking about ants
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2011-02-14T20:24:02  <antimatroid> i'm thinking about intuition
2011-02-14T20:27:12  <pyro-> you can make it so you must stand on a food to eat it antimatroid ?
2011-02-14T20:30:03  <antimatroid> doesn't work
2011-02-14T20:30:09  <antimatroid> that square needs to become an ant
2011-02-14T20:30:24  <antimatroid> if spawn radius was <2 it'd be blocked be walls
2011-02-14T20:30:27  <antimatroid> i want that anyway
2011-02-14T20:31:22  <antimatroid> i want spawn radius = 1, battle radius = rt5
2011-02-14T20:31:32  <antimatroid> <=2*
2011-02-14T20:31:45  <antimatroid> <** :P
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2011-02-14T20:39:44  <Prillicy> well, at least the cuts are at regular intervals
2011-02-14T20:39:55  <Prillicy> implies to me that it's intentional, probably due to the new "roadrunner lightning"
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2011-02-14T21:44:03  <antimatroid> tada
2011-02-14T21:44:14  <TheMacca> and there he is :)
2011-02-14T21:44:19  <antimatroid> https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/wiki/Ants-Game-Specification
2011-02-14T21:44:27  <antimatroid> that's still very early
2011-02-14T21:44:36  <antimatroid> anything can change
2011-02-14T21:44:42  <TheMacca> Okay, will check it out
2011-02-14T21:44:44  <TheMacca> thanks for the info
2011-02-14T21:44:49  <antimatroid> but the more people thinking for problems the better
2011-02-14T21:45:11  <TheMacca> brb
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