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So what do you do for AI-Contest? 2011-04-06T03:15:19 maps mostly, although i've had input on the game mechanics for ants and wrote the c++ starter bot 2011-04-06T03:15:30 aha, i see 2011-04-06T03:15:31 and i did a lot of the wiki stuff 2011-04-06T03:15:41 were you the one I spoke about the C++ starter bot and how it's lacking the structure? 2011-04-06T03:15:42 i'm just a past competitor helping out 2011-04-06T03:15:48 that was i :P 2011-04-06T03:15:51 I remember you 2011-04-06T03:15:53 =D 2011-04-06T03:16:17 You've seen stocha bot? 2011-04-06T03:16:27 i haven't looked at it, but i know it's up 2011-04-06T03:16:38 i haven't got my own bot, i started working on my own "starter bot" yesterday 2011-04-06T03:16:41 47 wins for me, 46 for him on random maps. He's really good. 2011-04-06T03:16:48 Want to see replays? 2011-04-06T03:16:51 yes please 2011-04-06T03:17:17 *** Keth has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2011-04-06T03:23:13 *** aerique has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-06T03:27:14 *** boegel has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-06T03:41:13 *** sigh_ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2011-04-06T03:49:51 *** chris__0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-06T03:51:40 *** Chris_0076 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2011-04-06T04:01:19 *** antimatroid has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2011-04-06T04:16:05 *** antimatroid has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-06T04:22:35 *** antimatroid has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-04-06T04:32:17 *** AlliedEnvy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2011-04-06T04:33:17 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-06T04:34:17 *** AlliedEnvy has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-06T04:39:42 *** AlliedEnvy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2011-04-06T04:40:49 *** antimatroid has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-06T04:43:30 *** AlliedEnvy has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-06T04:47:44 aichallenge: sigh epsilon * r5121d42 / (ants/ants.py worker/engine.py): Implemented new (json) replay format in engine - http://bit.ly/hVTc86 2011-04-06T04:48:07 Frontier: new replay format has been implemented in the engine 2011-04-06T04:48:16 although it is not pretty printed or anything 2011-04-06T04:55:29 Checking it out, had lots of issues with json being outputted correctly 2011-04-06T05:08:29 *** amstan has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-04-06T05:12:30 Keth_: what? it's not working? 2011-04-06T05:13:08 can you pastebin me the error you are getting or output? :) 2011-04-06T05:23:25 Well, I have no clue how python works and 2011-04-06T05:23:35 If you do play_one_game.cmd > log.txt 2011-04-06T05:23:46 You get python stack errors and callback stuff in log 2011-04-06T05:24:00 and replay doesn't get created 2011-04-06T05:24:10 I'm not sure why would batch script impact on python code 2011-04-06T05:24:17 I guess something with std output 2011-04-06T05:25:06 can you paste me the error that you are getting? 2011-04-06T05:25:10 sure 2011-04-06T05:28:15 http://pastebin.com/VYEcyQeJ 2011-04-06T05:28:20 without > output.txt it works 2011-04-06T05:29:05 *** Stocha has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-06T05:29:15 hmm... that error message is odd 2011-04-06T05:29:23 Yeah I know 2011-04-06T05:29:27 I tried python to output the console into a file, same error 2011-04-06T05:30:03 either way, if you want the replay, it is is viewer/0.replay (if you are using play_one_game.cmd)... if you want it on stdout then use the "--stdout replay" option 2011-04-06T05:30:36 --stdout replay - same error 2011-04-06T05:30:44 Oh waiat 2011-04-06T05:30:57 Yeah, same error 2011-04-06T05:31:02 File "../worker\engine.py", line 235, in write 2011-04-06T05:31:02 file.write(data) 2011-04-06T05:31:02 IOError: [Errno 9] Bad file descriptor 2011-04-06T05:31:24 I tried playgame.py [...] > output.txt and same thing 2011-04-06T05:31:39 so workaround is playgame.py [...] and then copy the replay 2011-04-06T05:32:11 Japaneese have a lot on their mind lately 2011-04-06T05:32:18 that error doesn't look like it's from the latest version 2011-04-06T05:32:30 are you sure that you are running the latest checkout 2011-04-06T05:32:38 yeah, it's old svn but I tried on newest 5 minutes ago as well 2011-04-06T05:32:44 Stocha: is that to me? 2011-04-06T05:32:49 i agree to that 2011-04-06T05:32:53 I will try again 2011-04-06T05:32:55 koreans would be good too 2011-04-06T05:33:22 yeah, same error 2011-04-06T05:33:28 Keth_: in particular ensure that worker/engine.py is up to date 2011-04-06T05:33:33 fp.write(chunk) 2011-04-06T05:33:33 File "../worker\engine.py", line 230, in write 2011-04-06T05:33:33 file.write(data) 2011-04-06T05:33:33 IOError: [Errno 9] Bad file descriptor 2011-04-06T05:33:33 close failed in file object destructor: 2011-04-06T05:33:33 Error in sys.excepthook: 2011-04-06T05:33:40 up to date. 2011-04-06T05:33:52 ok, that's a different error 2011-04-06T05:34:01 now the code matches up with the line number :) 2011-04-06T05:34:23 keth: you've sent the replay to antimatroid in private ? :p 2011-04-06T05:34:23 just different line :) 2011-04-06T05:34:32 *** Gorgoroth has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-06T05:34:36 Stocha: Your bot wins 71 times 2011-04-06T05:34:40 Stocha: my wins 72 2011-04-06T05:34:42 Keth: i guess you'll be posting stuff on the forum soon ? 2011-04-06T05:34:59 Anyway, your bot really made happy :) 2011-04-06T05:35:09 It's a lot of fresh air. I love it :p 2011-04-06T05:35:41 I can't wait to see the other 200 top bots :) 2011-04-06T05:36:03 Stocha: check pm 2011-04-06T05:36:26 *** Eruonen has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-06T05:36:28 Keth_: can you paste me the exact command you are running? 2011-04-06T05:36:29 Stocha: I can't wait to see the contest up and running either 2011-04-06T05:36:56 sigh: play_one_game.cmd unchanged, straight from svn (just as every file in whole directory) 2011-04-06T05:37:01 the only thing I'm running is 2011-04-06T05:37:08 Oh wait 2011-04-06T05:37:19 I only added --stdout replay to play_one_game.cmd 2011-04-06T05:37:20 you mean git, right? 2011-04-06T05:37:35 and then: 2011-04-06T05:37:39 play_one_game.cmd > output.txt 2011-04-06T05:37:58 what happens if you run without the output redirection? 2011-04-06T05:38:27 same error 2011-04-06T05:38:39 just tested 2011-04-06T05:39:21 without --stdout and output directory, no error but no output either 2011-04-06T05:39:33 output.txt 0 bytes 2011-04-06T05:40:05 yeah, without --stdout there is no output on stdout, that's supposed to happen 2011-04-06T05:40:47 hmm... this is on windows, yeah? 2011-04-06T05:40:48 with --stdout error if I try with > 2011-04-06T05:41:00 yeah 2011-04-06T05:42:37 I'll try to get it set up in my windows vm :S 2011-04-06T05:42:50 well, it 2011-04-06T05:43:33 well, it's not that important but it would be really helpful to do some loop outputting into different files 2011-04-06T05:44:55 Keth_: can you paste exactly what's in your play_one_game.cmd file, exactly what you are running, and the full output? 2011-04-06T05:45:05 so I can try to replicate it best I can 2011-04-06T05:45:10 sure 2011-04-06T05:46:24 http://pastebin.com/7mFKmE4N 2011-04-06T05:47:47 replay file ends up 0 bytes (with output directory) 2011-04-06T05:48:21 *** Gorgoroth has left #aichallenge 2011-04-06T05:51:57 Keth_: can you change "--stdout replay" to "--stdout stream" and tell me if you get the same error? 2011-04-06T05:52:54 I then end up with the same error instantly, let me paste the logs 2011-04-06T05:53:13 http://pastebin.com/Xa0i8H73 2011-04-06T05:54:53 thanks, well at least that narrows down where the problem could be :S 2011-04-06T05:55:23 I'm guessing something with the two pipeline at once or something 2011-04-06T05:55:40 It doens't happen in linux? 2011-04-06T05:55:56 or whatever system you are on 2011-04-06T05:56:09 I'm using OSX here, and it doesn't happen 2011-04-06T05:56:16 Hey, you know 2011-04-06T05:56:21 I forgot to tel 2011-04-06T05:56:25 It was working before few SVNs 2011-04-06T05:56:38 I had my profiler working and then it stopped and now I get those errors 2011-04-06T05:56:58 so there must've been some change. I am 100% it was working 3 days ago 2011-04-06T05:57:19 100% sure* 2011-04-06T05:57:21 yeah, it's isolated to when I'm trying to write to two places at once 2011-04-06T05:58:47 So you know what was changed, right? 2011-04-06T06:01:16 Keth_: nevermind, I think I found the problem 2011-04-06T06:02:02 =D 2011-04-06T06:02:35 actually, no :( 2011-04-06T06:02:56 D= 2011-04-06T06:03:22 I'm testing the old revisions 2011-04-06T06:03:28 I have one on my hard drive that was working 2011-04-06T06:03:41 *** Stocha has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-04-06T06:03:54 Keth_: are you running with the --output viewer option, or not? 2011-04-06T06:04:09 I tried both 2011-04-06T06:04:11 they both give error 2011-04-06T06:04:21 (same error to clarify) 2011-04-06T06:04:26 :) 2011-04-06T06:04:46 well, they should give errors in different places :P 2011-04-06T06:04:54 nope, same place. 2011-04-06T06:05:08 really? o_O 2011-04-06T06:05:16 (double checking) 2011-04-06T06:06:23 replay, stream or json? 2011-04-06T06:07:37 *** Naktibalda has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-06T06:07:37 replay gives error and replay is 0 bytes and output.txt is 0 bytes 2011-04-06T06:07:41 json gives no error and replay is OK but the output.txt is 0 bytes 2011-04-06T06:07:50 stream gives instant error 2011-04-06T06:08:11 Keth_: I'm interested in the difference between having the --output_dir viewer option and not having it 2011-04-06T06:08:25 say with --replay stream (just to make it fail quicker) 2011-04-06T06:08:29 okay 2011-04-06T06:08:54 both exactly same errors, instantly 2011-04-06T06:09:02 with and without --output_dir viewer 2011-04-06T06:09:07 wait 2011-04-06T06:09:22 Yes 2011-04-06T06:10:35 it gives the same line number and everything? 2011-04-06T06:11:45 you're right, one line differs, it's missing. let me paste 2011-04-06T06:12:07 http://pastebin.com/kX2QNqaC 2011-04-06T06:12:25 thought so :) 2011-04-06T06:12:25 was hard to spot it 2011-04-06T06:12:46 Keth_: yeah, that's why I emphasised exact :) 2011-04-06T06:12:50 I knew you're looking at the code so I guessed you know better 2011-04-06T06:12:53 yeah 2011-04-06T06:13:41 I'm not AI to spot a difference the first attempt =D 2011-04-06T06:13:50 :) 2011-04-06T06:14:08 So do you know what's wrong? 2011-04-06T06:14:22 seems like your system doesn't like when I do a .write() call to sys.stdout... which is really wierd 2011-04-06T06:14:34 Windows has no such thing as sys.stdout though 2011-04-06T06:14:36 you should consider that 2011-04-06T06:14:51 It might use some wrapper/emulates that under windows 2011-04-06T06:14:55 yeah, but python works around that 2011-04-06T06:14:59 exactly 2011-04-06T06:15:07 I've got it working on my windows vm 2011-04-06T06:15:12 Huh? 2011-04-06T06:15:16 You got it working? 2011-04-06T06:15:22 yeah 2011-04-06T06:15:27 Windows XP? 2011-04-06T06:15:43 yes 2011-04-06T06:15:48 interesting 2011-04-06T06:15:51 hmm... python 2.6.6 though 2011-04-06T06:15:57 Oh yeah 2011-04-06T06:15:57 you were running 2.7, yeah? 2011-04-06T06:15:59 Well 2011-04-06T06:16:01 I'll try 2.7 2011-04-06T06:16:04 I had 3.2, it didnd't work 2011-04-06T06:16:06 at all 2011-04-06T06:16:12 so i downgraded to 2.7 I think and it worked 2011-04-06T06:16:18 let me see 2011-04-06T06:16:18 yeah, 3 and 2 are completely incomptible 2011-04-06T06:16:38 C:\Program Files (x86)\ICW>python 2011-04-06T06:16:38 Python 2.7 (r27:82525, Jul 4 2010, 09:01:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] on win32 2011-04-06T06:16:51 I could try 2.6.6 if you want me to 2011-04-06T06:17:00 and I have XP machine next to me 2011-04-06T06:17:04 you choose. 2011-04-06T06:17:57 or you could upgrade to 2.7 and see 2011-04-06T06:18:12 I will run 2.7 to try to replicate the problem 2011-04-06T06:18:30 but 2.6.6 is what is going to be on the contest servers from my understanding anyway 2011-04-06T06:19:24 let me know if how 2.7 works out 2011-04-06T06:20:05 yup, I'll check it later, gtg for now 2011-04-06T06:20:10 sure 2011-04-06T06:20:15 Thanks for help 2011-04-06T06:28:58 fyi, downgrading to 2.6.6 and double checking the version doesn't resolve it 2011-04-06T06:32:18 Keth_: you are on xp? 2011-04-06T06:32:38 i was until a few weeks ago, i finally switched to ubuntu 2011-04-06T06:32:52 seems we do a lot of things the same :P abuse operator overloading, c++, windows.. 2011-04-06T06:36:07 *** Keth_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2011-04-06T06:37:51 *** ltriant has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2011-04-06T06:38:43 *** ltriant has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-06T06:42:18 *** Keth has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-06T06:55:28 I'm on win7 2011-04-06T06:55:33 Why? 2011-04-06T07:07:37 Keth: 2.7 didn't help :( 2011-04-06T07:07:43 can you try running this: http://pastebin.com/6cdBPuBG 2011-04-06T07:08:01 it just tests various ways of outputting to stdout 2011-04-06T07:16:07 sigh: Thanks for the json output format. 2011-04-06T07:16:12 Btw have you seen the loading time improvements I achieved with large replays, antimatroid? 2011-04-06T07:20:03 *** Eruonen has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-04-06T07:21:32 Frontier: no? 2011-04-06T07:22:21 Compare those two links in Opera or even Firefox to see the difference: http://marco-leise.homedns.org/antgui/stable/visualizer.php?game_id=3 // http://marco-leise.homedns.org/antgui/work/visualizer.php?game_id=3 2011-04-06T07:22:50 i don't have either of those browsers installed :P 2011-04-06T07:22:51 *** kaemo has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-06T07:22:56 chrome <3 2011-04-06T07:23:41 it was faster anyway i think :) 2011-04-06T07:29:28 yeah, 2.6.6 didn't help either 2011-04-06T07:29:36 I will run it 2011-04-06T07:30:16 C:\[work]\Google AI\Ants>dsa.py 2011-04-06T07:30:16 hello 1 2011-04-06T07:30:17 hello 2 2011-04-06T07:30:17 hello 3 2011-04-06T07:30:17 hello 4 2011-04-06T07:30:17 hello 5 2011-04-06T07:30:18 *** FireFly has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-06T07:30:36 >dsa.py > 123 2011-04-06T07:30:36 close failed in file object destructor: 2011-04-06T07:30:36 Error in sys.excepthook: 2011-04-06T07:30:36 Original exception was: 2011-04-06T07:31:05 C:\[work]\Google AI\Ants>dsa.py > 123 2011-04-06T07:31:05 close failed in file object destructor: 2011-04-06T07:31:05 Error in sys.excepthook: 2011-04-06T07:31:05 Original exception was: 2011-04-06T07:31:43 not a single hello, not in console, not in empty file 123 2011-04-06T07:32:23 #!/usr/bin/env python 2011-04-06T07:32:23 import sys 2011-04-06T07:32:23 print "hello 1" 2011-04-06T07:32:26 the above 3 lines even make error 2011-04-06T07:33:32 You would be surprised, i tested them all invidually, they all make same error. 2011-04-06T07:34:05 #!/usr/bin/env python 2011-04-06T07:34:05 import sys 2011-04-06T07:34:05 ^ 2 lines above make no error 2011-04-06T07:42:17 *** Keth has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-04-06T07:57:27 *** Keth has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-06T07:59:34 *** needsch has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-06T08:03:17 sigh: How do I log stderr of a bot to console or to a file? 2011-04-06T08:04:52 Frontier: Explain a little further, you mean outputting playgame.py result into a file? 2011-04-06T08:05:44 I mean, I have a bot that outputs debug information. Where can I find that after a game? 2011-04-06T08:06:11 That's up to your bot, depends on your bot code. You should know where it saves if it's your code. 2011-04-06T08:06:20 Which starter package are you using? 2011-04-06T08:06:21 Frontier: can't yet... will have to be implemented 2011-04-06T08:06:31 2011-04-06T08:07:03 But it can be implemented inside the bot on your own, right? 2011-04-06T08:07:17 sure, just write to a log file 2011-04-06T08:07:35 yeah 2011-04-06T08:08:07 sigh: I ran your thing up there, let me know if you need any more testing 2011-04-06T08:10:17 I don't really know what else to do :( that produced another error altogether. If you have time, write up an issue about it, maybe someone else will be able to figure it out 2011-04-06T08:11:53 okay, I will figure it out then and let you know 2011-04-06T08:14:47 sigh: just figured it out 2011-04-06T08:15:01 play_one_game.cmd needs a fix 2011-04-06T08:16:22 should be "python playgame.py" not "playgame.py" 2011-04-06T08:17:01 so the bat always worked but not for output with > 2011-04-06T08:17:03 works perfect now :) 2011-04-06T08:17:08 o_O 2011-04-06T08:17:42 I don't know anything about bat files 2011-04-06T08:17:46 haha 2011-04-06T08:18:01 well, the bat WORKED 2011-04-06T08:18:21 I just didn't realize it could be bat fault when you see the output in the console 2011-04-06T08:18:30 ahhhh 2011-04-06T08:18:44 so with the bat, sys.stdout is not set? 2011-04-06T08:18:49 or something like that 2011-04-06T08:18:56 basically what it tries to do is 2011-04-06T08:19:01 same thing as test1.txt > test2.txt 2011-04-06T08:19:08 instead of 2011-04-06T08:19:15 python x > output.txt 2011-04-06T08:19:56 what does "test1.txt > test2.txt" do? 2011-04-06T08:20:15 copies 2011-04-06T08:20:21 and runs 2011-04-06T08:20:22 WOW 2011-04-06T08:20:24 haha 2011-04-06T08:20:27 that explains it 2011-04-06T08:20:31 O_o 2011-04-06T08:20:41 test1.txt > ewq 2011-04-06T08:20:45 it runs test1.txt in notepad 2011-04-06T08:20:48 and ewq is created empty 2011-04-06T08:21:47 well, it makes sense. 2011-04-06T08:22:01 somebody just needs to fix play_one_game.cmd in the gik 2011-04-06T08:24:29 @later tell McLeopold Keth says that "playgame.py" should be replaced by "python playgame.py" in play_one_game.cmd to avoid errors when redirecting output from it 2011-04-06T08:24:29 sigh: Yes master! 2011-04-06T08:25:37 I'm just wondering how the hell did it work for you on your vmware machine 2011-04-06T08:25:40 =D 2011-04-06T08:26:00 dunno, maybe it's an XP vs win7 issue 2011-04-06T08:26:20 hm, could be 2011-04-06T08:28:43 It is strange, but I cant seem to run Java bots in the engine 2011-04-06T08:29:32 The bots use System.out.println(); System.out.flush(); but in 0.botN.output there is nothing but the '# turn x' lines 2011-04-06T08:30:11 You need to create new file using in your bot code 2011-04-06T08:30:21 open 'debug.log' and then put all your logs into that file 2011-04-06T08:30:27 don't do print 2011-04-06T08:30:43 Keth: I'm talking about the communication with the engine. 2011-04-06T08:30:49 he's printing bot orders 2011-04-06T08:31:05 hm okay. But why would you want to contact the engine? 2011-04-06T08:31:18 to tell it the move to make :P 2011-04-06T08:31:19 The bot just seems to stay at one spot, but I doesn't time out 2011-04-06T08:31:42 ah I understand now 2011-04-06T08:32:41 Frontier: are you on windows? 2011-04-06T08:32:42 hi, when will the new contest start? 2011-04-06T08:32:50 Frontier: that's odd... if it is not timing out it must be outputting "go" 2011-04-06T08:33:10 or is the ants specification already fixed? 2011-04-06T08:34:22 Frontier: is your bot outputting valid moves? 2011-04-06T08:34:38 0.botN.output only shows the valid moves that a bot has made 2011-04-06T08:36:49 sigh: ok... I am using the starter bot for an experiment 2011-04-06T08:37:03 in the next few days I'll make the bot output show the complete stdout and stderr of the bot 2011-04-06T08:38:07 sigh: The bot outputs col/row is that correct? 2011-04-06T08:38:31 remember col/row != x,y - took me ages to get used to 2011-04-06T08:38:35 =D 2011-04-06T08:38:54 Frontier: "o row col direction" eg "0 1 2 n" 2011-04-06T08:39:03 sorry: "o 1 2 n" 2011-04-06T08:39:29 and it is row/col not col/row 2011-04-06T08:40:33 sigh: What could cause a bot to win on the same map and then lose with the same seed in both games? It shouldn't happen right? 2011-04-06T08:41:18 sigh: who is responsible for the java starter? 2011-04-06T08:41:19 Keth: are you running the python starter bots? 2011-04-06T08:41:29 I'm running my own bots 2011-04-06T08:41:36 are you saying my own bots might not be deteministic? 2011-04-06T08:41:42 oh that's true 2011-04-06T08:41:46 the enemy bot has crazy code 2011-04-06T08:42:09 thanks, that explains it 2011-04-06T08:42:10 Keth: a seed option is passed in to the bot if the engine is using a seed 2011-04-06T08:42:25 Yeah, but the bot I'm fighting with has it's own seed every game 2011-04-06T08:42:27 I forgot that 2011-04-06T08:42:31 :) 2011-04-06T08:42:50 http://gyazo.com/eb21947b379dc710664f221cffff5c2f.png 2011-04-06T08:42:58 since i got surprised when one of the games went different 2011-04-06T08:43:50 yeah, it's the bot's responsibility to seed their random number generator if a seed is passed in 2011-04-06T08:44:13