2011-04-08T00:16:04 *** antimatroid has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-04-08T00:34:09 *** antimatroid has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T00:49:54 *** antimatroid has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-04-08T01:06:10 *** antimatroid has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T01:12:39 *** Mathnerd314 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-04-08T01:16:47 *** antimatroid has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-04-08T01:36:21 *** antimatroid has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T01:36:33 re allowing bots to write to file in the final contest 2011-04-08T01:36:47 the ranking algorithm assumes the bots have constant "ability" yeah? 2011-04-08T01:36:55 janzert: ^? 2011-04-08T01:37:33 no the ranking algorithm does fine with varying ability 2011-04-08T01:37:34 it does? 2011-04-08T01:37:38 yeah 2011-04-08T01:37:58 there are huge technical hurdles to make file writing work though 2011-04-08T01:38:21 since a bot plays games on different workers, possibly simultaneously 2011-04-08T01:38:49 well... huge might be exaggerating a bit 2011-04-08T01:39:09 i don't see what people would need to write to file that they couldn't already have done locally 2011-04-08T01:39:44 antimatroid: it could make true learning bots 2011-04-08T01:39:54 without having the need to reupload 2011-04-08T01:40:08 you are really going to want to do that on tcp anyway 2011-04-08T01:40:13 then just once it's "trained" upload 2011-04-08T01:40:28 yeah, I believe what they are wanting is a way to let the bot learn independently 2011-04-08T01:40:36 idk, if people want to make it cool like that, they should 2011-04-08T01:41:08 but I think it is much over rated to have it for the bot after upload 2011-04-08T01:41:15 so if someone beat bocsi last contest near the start, later it wouldn't have counted as though they beat the best bot? 2011-04-08T01:41:35 because at the time bocsi wasn't considered to be of the ability of the best bot 2011-04-08T01:42:26 or at least, with trueskill if bayeslo did assume constant ability 2011-04-08T01:42:32 otherwise i'm not really sure how it works :s 2011-04-08T01:43:03 bayeselo does make an assumption of constant ability 2011-04-08T01:43:32 so if with trueskill you beat the best bot at the start, you wouldn't get the real gain of beating the best bot? 2011-04-08T01:43:33 i don't like that 2011-04-08T01:44:38 imo that's almost like saying all past game data is not as useful as current data, because the bots are no longer the same 2011-04-08T01:54:06 *** antimatroid has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2011-04-08T01:58:57 @later antimatroid the way we are using trueskill during the finals (when no submissions happen) it will assume constant performance 2011-04-08T01:58:58 janzert: User error -- Replace user. 2011-04-08T01:59:11 @later tell antimatroid the way we are using trueskill during the finals (when no submissions happen) it will assume constant performance 2011-04-08T01:59:11 janzert: I come to serve. 2011-04-08T02:01:22 *** antimatroid has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T02:01:28 janzert: so if they are allowed to write to disk, won't that violate that assumption? 2011-04-08T02:01:45 what sigh said 2011-04-08T02:01:53 yes, we would need to make a small change in the way we are using trueskill 2011-04-08T02:02:01 but that is probably a line or two of code 2011-04-08T02:02:09 but do we want to drop that assumption? 2011-04-08T02:02:13 and trivial compared to the rest of making it work 2011-04-08T02:02:30 i would say most bots are going to be of constant ability in the finals 2011-04-08T02:02:43 if it's invalid ;) 2011-04-08T02:06:42 *** antimatroid has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2011-04-08T02:06:56 *** Stocha has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T02:07:03 antimatroid seems to have a crappy connection 2011-04-08T02:09:30 *** antimatroid has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T02:09:38 ergh my internet is annoying 2011-04-08T02:09:46 but does the benefit of allowing people to write to files in the finals outweigh the cost of dropping the assumption? 2011-04-08T02:10:08 that is my biggest reservation about allowing file writing in the actual contest 2011-04-08T02:11:35 my thought is that the cost of implementing it isn't offset by the benefit it brings, so I'm not giving much thought about how to make the rankings work with it 2011-04-08T02:12:29 there are too many technical hurdles to do it and we already are having a hard time reaching the finish line of an up and running contest 2011-04-08T02:20:25 *** Stocha has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-04-08T02:21:37 if anything, just give people read access... although that doesn't give anyone the ability to do anything they couldn't already 2011-04-08T02:22:15 yeah, they already are allowed to read anything they upload with the bot 2011-04-08T02:26:19 janzert: i agree, i was just trying to clarify what exactly the implications were :) 2011-04-08T02:54:15 What happens if a bot creates a seperate thread? 2011-04-08T02:54:24 and messes stuff up? 2011-04-08T02:55:36 the bots have a hard limit in the OS on creating threads 2011-04-08T02:55:39 I'm kind of afraid of enemy bots cheating in number of ways like running away, crashing the engine, creating tcp connections or like 1000 threads 2011-04-08T02:55:49 e.g. all of those things can be done bot detects "I'm losing" 2011-04-08T02:56:02 when bot* 2011-04-08T02:56:19 that's what the sandbox is meant to prevent 2011-04-08T02:56:29 by sandbox you mean the engine? 2011-04-08T02:56:35 no 2011-04-08T02:56:46 What does sandbox do? 2011-04-08T02:56:48 the bots are basically run in a restricted environment 2011-04-08T02:57:34 And what the approach briefly would be? 2011-04-08T02:58:20 quite a few things are combined but basically not allowing it to access or use resources it shouldn't 2011-04-08T02:58:42 i see 2011-04-08T02:59:38 it's almost certainly not perfect and a concern is of course that bot finds a way to do something it shouldn't, fortunately so far no has done that 2011-04-08T03:00:07 yeah I see 2011-04-08T03:01:04 if a lot of bots were crashing to a specific bot, it would be looked at, and the bot potentially thrown out of the contest 2011-04-08T03:01:26 if they were purposely doing something to crash other bots etc. 2011-04-08T03:01:57 there are no longer draconian rules like disqualification if you timeout in the final contest 2011-04-08T03:02:05 that happened to me in tron D: i will never forget 2011-04-08T03:02:43 I did throw one submission out last year that accidently crashed the workers, I think it was trying to include and build the whole haskell runtime if I remember right 2011-04-08T03:05:17 why would they do that? 2011-04-08T03:05:31 he wanted a different version than we had 2011-04-08T03:05:36 haha 2011-04-08T03:06:07 I probably stated it wrong above, I mean he was building haskell from scratch 2011-04-08T03:06:47 of course compilation also wasn't sandboxed then so this wasn't a break out from the sandbox 2011-04-08T03:07:29 what's happening in regard to compilation in this contest? 2011-04-08T03:08:02 it's been a while but I think McLeopold may have already sandboxed it 2011-04-08T03:08:29 it has been moved solely to the workers I know 2011-04-08T03:08:41 ahhh 2011-04-08T03:09:36 I think McLeopold has made an issue with your name on it regarding that 2011-04-08T03:09:49 well, regarding jails and workers 2011-04-08T03:10:07 I think that is the addition of chroot to the sandbox process 2011-04-08T03:10:19 i see 2011-04-08T03:10:38 yeah, looks like 2011-04-08T03:11:24 hmm, I do see that "sandboxed compilation" issue is still open though 2011-04-08T03:11:47 a lot of stuff is open 2011-04-08T03:12:15 hmm... I'm going to close the leap second issue as WONTFIX so it feels like I 2011-04-08T03:12:21 I'm doing something 2011-04-08T03:12:25 :) 2011-04-08T03:20:51 *** fgump has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T03:34:15 *** sigh has left #aichallenge ("Leaving") 2011-04-08T03:35:44 *** ltriant has quit IRC (Quit: Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/) 2011-04-08T03:35:45 *** JamesMG has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2011-04-08T03:36:03 *** JamesMG has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T03:37:16 *** boegel has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T03:39:01 *** aerique has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T03:39:27 *** andy__ has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T03:42:04 *** andy__ has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-04-08T03:49:40 * fgump is away: I'm busy 2011-04-08T03:57:21 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-04-08T04:34:03 *** Stocha has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T04:34:53 *** Naktibalda has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T04:39:55 *** boegel has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-04-08T04:50:50 *** Stocha has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T05:05:08 *** Stocha has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-04-08T05:11:45 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T05:25:51 *** Keth has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-04-08T05:25:58 *** Keth has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T05:36:33 *** p4p4p5 has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T05:49:38 *** McLeopold has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-04-08T06:04:49 *** kaemo has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T06:19:04 *** Keth has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-04-08T06:19:08 *** Keth_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T06:30:17 *** kaemo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-04-08T06:44:01 *** ebrahim has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T06:59:11 there is an easyish way to "go around" traps 2011-04-08T06:59:27 well, if you can find them, fill it in with water, then make your moves 2011-04-08T06:59:32 so you force it to find a path around 2011-04-08T07:00:11 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T07:01:29 *** delt0r___ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-04-08T07:04:40 *** ebrahim has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-04-08T07:04:42 *** mebrahim has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T07:06:34 *** mebrahim has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-04-08T07:10:47 *** Naktibalda has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-04-08T07:11:40 antimatroid: traps? 2011-04-08T07:11:51 sigh: blocked off corridors 2011-04-08T07:12:08 if you set one of those up, you can basically leave it as is which i have now coined trap :P 2011-04-08T07:12:28 i see 2011-04-08T07:13:35 you would have to make some kind of "temporary water" 2011-04-08T07:13:46 but that way your ants would know to go around it 2011-04-08T07:13:59 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T07:14:13 *** Naktibalda has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T07:15:40 sigh: dead collided ants are just treated the same as dead battled ants for scoring yes? 2011-04-08T07:15:52 and if no ant is in range of two colliding friends, then the points are lost? 2011-04-08T07:16:03 collided ants are not scored atm 2011-04-08T07:16:12 i think we want as above is that's easy to change? 2011-04-08T07:17:05 *shrug* sure 2011-04-08T07:17:20 well otherwise if two enemies collide, no scores are assigned 2011-04-08T07:17:33 and if two friends inevitable going to die kamakazee, the enemy doesn't get points 2011-04-08T07:17:41 i think that's against what we want 2011-04-08T07:18:22 sure it's be part of the game, but it's a less fun game imo :P 2011-04-08T07:18:26 it'd* 2011-04-08T07:18:27 ergh :P 2011-04-08T07:19:00 *** fgump has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-04-08T07:25:21 *** mcsmash has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-04-08T07:25:28 *** mcsmash has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T07:26:10 i think i found a neat reduction 2011-04-08T07:27:15 *** p4p4p5 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection timed out) 2011-04-08T07:29:10 *** p4p4p5 has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T07:31:10 *** Keth_ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-04-08T07:31:47 *** Keth has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T07:39:58 antimatroid: neat reduction? 2011-04-08T07:42:19 sigh: take an n-player game tree, if i'm not assuming the other players are rational, then i think MY set of "subgame perfect nash equilibria" (not really, but same concept, different backward induction rule) is equivalent to the "same" set when treating the game as a two player zero sum game tree of me vs them with payoffs of mine vs -mine 2011-04-08T07:42:41 and i can collapse all of their nodes into one layer 2011-04-08T07:43:19 my bot wouldn't be able to cooperate then 2011-04-08T07:43:27 but i doubt it's going to really be helpful in this 2011-04-08T07:44:10 i like the part where other players aren't rational 2011-04-08T07:44:25 are you willing to assume that in ants? 2011-04-08T07:44:42 like when evaluating what might happen with your turns, are you willing to assume the other players will do what is best for them? 2011-04-08T07:44:54 there is a neat alternative backward induction you can use if you are willing to assume that 2011-04-08T07:45:01 which is different to actual nash equilibria 2011-04-08T07:45:17 i was originally going to do my thesis based off that last idea, but then this gsoc thing came up 2011-04-08T07:45:22 assume that they are or aren't rational? 2011-04-08T07:45:54 if you assume they are, then when doing backward induction, each player will bring up their best possible payoff, while every other player will always pull up their worst 2011-04-08T07:46:10 yeah 2011-04-08T07:46:44 normally you pull up the worst of the drawing best for the player 2011-04-08T07:48:13 hmm... reddit is down 2011-04-08T07:49:14 reddit gets more awful every week 2011-04-08T07:49:29 content or uptime? 2011-04-08T07:49:47 content 2011-04-08T07:49:59 and more youtube quality comments 2011-04-08T07:50:25 yeah, that's been happening for a while though 2011-04-08T07:51:04 it always happens 2011-04-08T07:51:07 it always has happened 2011-04-08T07:51:10 since before the internet 2011-04-08T07:51:12 i hate it though 2011-04-08T07:51:20 it makes me rage :P 2011-04-08T07:51:22 eternal september :P 2011-04-08T07:51:32 ? 2011-04-08T07:51:50 *** Eruonen has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T07:51:57 september is a good month 2011-04-08T07:51:57 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September 2011-04-08T07:52:01 i was born in september 2011-04-08T07:52:27 oh, cause that's when america starts back from summer vacation? 2011-04-08T07:52:39 yup 2011-04-08T07:52:39 ah, should have kept reading 2011-04-08T07:52:42 yeah i hate that time of year 2011-04-08T07:52:48 haha 2011-04-08T07:53:11 well, that was a quick change of heart 2011-04-08T07:53:28 i'm flexible with my opinions 2011-04-08T07:53:35 :) 2011-04-08T07:53:37 except for battle 2011-04-08T07:53:37 :P 2011-04-08T07:54:08 my current favourite subreddit is AskScience, I just hope that doesn't start sucking 2011-04-08T07:54:17 i haven't been there 2011-04-08T07:54:23 /r/math is my favourite 2011-04-08T07:54:41 but slow, and getting worse as everything else is 2011-04-08T07:54:48 math quality seems to be going down 2011-04-08T07:54:54 yeah 2011-04-08T07:55:19 *** Keth_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T07:55:19 *** Keth has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-04-08T07:55:22 http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/roots/ 2011-04-08T07:55:25 have you seen that though? 2011-04-08T07:55:28 pretty damn awesome 2011-04-08T07:55:48 looks familiar 2011-04-08T07:55:51 I think I have :) 2011-04-08T07:55:53 i don't often go on those things, but that one is mega 2011-04-08T07:56:21 :) 2011-04-08T07:57:07 i think i've worked out my macro strategy 2011-04-08T07:57:18 now i just need to implement it and iron out all the micro 2011-04-08T07:57:18 kill everyone? 2011-04-08T07:57:37 nah, i think i'm going to try and avoid battles unless the kill/death ratio > 1 2011-04-08T07:57:57 then i need to play around with then appropriate time to reduce that back to 1 2011-04-08T07:58:08 you want more kills than deaths? o_O 2011-04-08T07:58:13 >=1 that is 2011-04-08T07:58:19 yes, for multiplayer near the start 2011-04-08T07:58:53 by death I guess you mean your own bots 2011-04-08T07:58:59 that makes a bit more sense 2011-04-08T07:58:59 1. collect food (using heuristics), 2. search non-battle ants incrementally from all locations at once 3. game tree for battles 2011-04-08T07:59:17 yep 2011-04-08T08:02:24 *** needsch has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T08:23:38 *** delt0r has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T08:44:12 *** delt0r has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.15/20110303170030]) 2011-04-08T08:47:26 sigh: i got a reddit error page today where they had the balls to say it could be a good sign a new feature is being implemented 2011-04-08T08:54:40 *** dlila has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T09:08:58 *** Stocha has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T09:11:50 *** Stocha has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-04-08T09:15:27 *** needsch has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-04-08T09:17:42 *** Ice_Harley has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T09:33:54 *** Frontier has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T09:37:42 *** Accoun has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-04-08T09:58:56 *** dlila has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-04-08T10:00:51 *** dlila has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T10:44:23 *** aerique has quit IRC (Quit: ...) 2011-04-08T11:19:04 *** Keth_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2011-04-08T11:23:36 *** Keth has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T11:25:08 *** Ice_Harley has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-04-08T11:26:17 *** mceier has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2011-04-08T11:37:45 @later tell McLeopold in worker/sandbox.py you only check the input once every second... how is that fair to bots? 2011-04-08T11:37:45 sigh: Yep. 2011-04-08T11:37:53 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-04-08T11:43:21 *** FireFly has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T11:43:40 *** Kingpin13 has quit IRC (Quit: You're a kitty!) 2011-04-08T12:40:34 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T12:40:34 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-04-08T12:49:55 *** McLeopold has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T12:53:13 @later tell sigh I didn't write sandbox.py, I think your right that the timer call in monitor_input needs to be changed 2011-04-08T12:53:13 McLeopold: As you wish. 2011-04-08T13:38:32 I'm not sure why the timer call is used, but all it does is delay the start of the input thread by 1 second. The input is read continuously after that and operates correctly. 2011-04-08T13:38:33 *** Naktibalda has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 4.0/20110318052756]) 2011-04-08T13:39:05 the only time it would cause a problem is if the start up time for a bot was reduced to near 1 second or less 2011-04-08T13:46:56 *** Stocha has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T13:47:10 @seen phire 2011-04-08T13:47:10 Stocha: phire was last seen in #aichallenge 3 days, 2 hours, 24 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: I'm seeing some large delays 2011-04-08T13:47:23 @seen keith 2011-04-08T13:47:23 Stocha: I have not seen keith. 2011-04-08T13:47:31 @seen keth 2011-04-08T13:47:31 Stocha: keth was last seen in #aichallenge 10 hours, 47 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: yeah I see 2011-04-08T13:50:27 *** Stocha has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-04-08T14:11:12 *** p4p4p5 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection timed out) 2011-04-08T14:11:16 *** Naktibalda has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T14:13:03 *** p4p4p5 has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T14:19:32 *** needsch has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T14:39:34 *** McLeopold has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-04-08T15:00:47 *** delt0r___ has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T15:02:02 *** p4p4p5 has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [SeaMonkey 2.0a3/20090223135443]) 2011-04-08T15:02:39 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-04-08T15:13:50 *** FireFly has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2011-04-08T15:18:04 *** FireFly has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T15:18:34 *** skynetz has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T15:43:39 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T15:49:23 *** Frontier has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-04-08T15:57:09 *** Kender has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T15:59:38 *** Kender_away has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2011-04-08T15:59:38 *** Kender is now known as Kender_away 2011-04-08T16:00:38 *** boegel has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T16:14:15 *** ahmedhelal has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T16:30:38 *** FireFly has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2011-04-08T16:34:11 *** FireFly has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T16:42:10 hello 2011-04-08T16:43:24 hi 2011-04-08T17:06:00 *** boegel has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-04-08T17:07:53 *** andy___ has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T17:08:32 when will the new challenge be up ? and is it going to replace the current data on the aicontest website ? 2011-04-08T17:09:53 *** Keth has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-04-08T17:10:01 *** Keth has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T17:12:01 *** Mathnerd314 has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T17:15:44 *** andy___ has quit IRC (Changing host) 2011-04-08T17:15:44 *** andy___ has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T17:18:09 ahmedhelal: idk, and yes 2011-04-08T17:28:32 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T17:58:12 *** fgump has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T18:00:28 *** andy___ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-04-08T18:02:58 amstan: what about the old rankings, shouldnt it be kept somewhere ? i can donate hosting space and domain if it needs 2011-04-08T18:03:36 ahmedhelal: we have hosting, problem is someone actually doing it 2011-04-08T18:03:39 there's an issue about it 2011-04-08T18:04:28 can i help in that ? maybe ? 2011-04-08T18:05:24 *** bcv has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T18:08:20 ahmedhelal: https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/issues#issue/11 2011-04-08T18:09:30 ahmedhelal: if you have some ideas on how to make stuff static... 2011-04-08T18:10:36 antimatroid: ping 2011-04-08T18:11:01 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T18:16:36 amstan: is the game visualizer ajax ? i mean does it grab its data from somewhere or is it all in the page? 2011-04-08T18:16:55 depends on which contest we're talking about 2011-04-08T18:17:14 tron had a show_game_info.php page that the javascript downloaded 2011-04-08T18:17:25 contestbot: botrepo 2011-04-08T18:17:26 amstan: I'm sorry Dave, err amstan; I cannot 'botrepo'. 2011-04-08T18:17:47 contestbot: learn https://github.com/aichallenge/contestbot as botrepo 2011-04-08T18:17:47 amstan: Error: This key-factoid relationship already exists. 2011-04-08T18:17:54 contestbot: learn botrepo as https://github.com/aichallenge/contestbot 2011-04-08T18:17:54 amstan: Job's done. 2011-04-08T18:17:57 contestbot: forget https://github.com/aichallenge/contestbot 2011-04-08T18:17:57 amstan: I think that worked... 2011-04-08T18:18:19 ahmedhelal: planet wars uses http://ai-contest.com/game_info.php?game_id=%d 2011-04-08T18:18:50 contestbot: game 4415957 2011-04-08T18:18:51 amstan: Game played at 2010-09-09 20:16:34, on map 684, cheese_bot beat a1k0n. http://ai-contest.com/visualizer_canvas.php?game_id=4415957 2011-04-08T18:19:00 oh man.. that still works 2011-04-08T18:21:31 amstan: k so it either, 1- not to offer games data any more and just have an archive of the problem statement, ranking list. 2- keep all current stuff along with the db and just move it to a sub domain, and have a new separate db for the new contest. 2011-04-08T18:21:43 it's* 2011-04-08T18:21:50 ahmedhelal: 1 is not cool 2011-04-08T18:22:04 2 is .. simple but ... might break in the future, it's a delicate setup 2011-04-08T18:22:17 3 will be future proof, but it'll take some work to convert 2011-04-08T18:22:25 exactly 2011-04-08T18:22:25 3 as in... make a static copy of the website 2011-04-08T18:22:51 yeah i get it, but it will take more work than creating the new website for the new contest, which isnt fair :) 2011-04-08T18:23:16 also.. 2 might require some cpu 2011-04-08T18:23:21 for looking in the database and stuff 2011-04-08T18:23:30 3 is faster 2011-04-08T18:23:46 shouldnt, as ppl would be more interested in the latest contest 2011-04-08T18:23:54 amstan: That's less of a concern than the fragility because archived copies won't be accessed that much. 2011-04-08T18:23:56 ok, i guess so 2011-04-08T18:24:03 for instance if you check the visits for the challenge right before planet wars, i believe not too much traffic would be in there 2011-04-08T18:24:22 jbroman: yes.. but i imagine us updating php or whatever, and then the archived copy breaks 2011-04-08T18:24:28 or it needs new db access 2011-04-08T18:24:32 amstan: Yeah, that's the fragility. 2011-04-08T18:24:46 The CPU power is not the concern. 2011-04-08T18:24:49 oh.. right, ok 2011-04-08T18:25:03 still fragility will make it annoying to get 2 2011-04-08T18:25:14 amstan: why would it be touched anyway ?, i mean why dont you totally separate between the file system and the db of the old challenge and the new one 2011-04-08T18:25:34 ahmedhelal: If you mean a separate instance, it costs money. 2011-04-08T18:25:35 *** Keth has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-04-08T18:25:42 *** Keth has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T18:25:42 jbroman: we could vm it 2011-04-08T18:25:56 jbroman: for hosting fees, etc ? 2011-04-08T18:25:59 amstan: You'd also have to reverse-proxy HTTP requests. 2011-04-08T18:26:11 nah.. just use a subdomain 2011-04-08T18:26:22 amstan: Even with a subdomain. 2011-04-08T18:26:33 unless it has a separate public IP 2011-04-08T18:26:39 yeah, ok, you're right 2011-04-08T18:26:46 (EC2, for instance, will not allocate >1 public IPs/instance.) 2011-04-08T18:27:17 well, archiving them statically is a lot of work, and i don't think anybody wants to do that 2011-04-08T18:27:35 so we might as well make sure we get all the data to run it(before it's lost) and have something up already 2011-04-08T18:28:41 jbroman: speaking of lost data... any idea where the db for http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~j3camero/contest/fall2009/results.php is at? 2011-04-08T18:29:07 jeff might know.. but you're syscom, you could look around 2011-04-08T18:33:09 amstan: I'm pretty sure it's either contest or contest2 on caffeine. 2011-04-08T18:33:38 *** dlila has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-04-08T18:33:50 If Jeff wants to, I can probably grab an SQL dump. 2011-04-08T18:34:18 well.. you know jeff these days 2011-04-08T18:39:43 Actually, looks like it's running out of j3camero's own DB. 2011-04-08T18:39:49 Assuming mysql_login.php is correct. 2011-04-08T18:40:07 jbroman: it is, but i think there's a login problem or something 2011-04-08T18:40:10 check the http error logs 2011-04-08T18:40:17 or the db doesn't exist anymore 2011-04-08T18:40:25 which would suck 2011-04-08T18:40:29 it worked a few months ago 2011-04-08T18:42:12 Yeah, tables are gone from j3camero. 2011-04-08T18:42:44 well.. that's annoying 2011-04-08T18:44:37 amstan: i think i have a found away to archive the stored games 2011-04-08T18:44:47 ahmedhelal: ok? 2011-04-08T18:45:04 amstan: let me go offline first to make sure its not a cached copy or grabbing anything from ur db or so 2011-04-08T18:45:40 *** ahmedhelal has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2011-04-08T18:47:02 huh? 2011-04-08T18:48:54 *** ahmedhelal has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T18:49:06 amstan: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15722463/Visualized_Game.zip 2011-04-08T18:51:29 amstan: saw that ? 2011-04-08T18:53:31 ahmedhelal: it doesn't like your zip: need PK compat. v6.3 (can do v4.6) 2011-04-08T18:53:49 urgh 1 sec 2011-04-08T18:54:34 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15722463/visualized.zip 2011-04-08T18:50:51 works ? 2011-04-08T18:50:59 amstan: ^^ 2011-04-08T18:51:53 ahmedhelal: yes, problem is that you're downloading a css and a js file for each file 2011-04-08T18:51:58 even though they're all the same 2011-04-08T18:52:52 so its a storage problem now ? :) 2011-04-08T18:55:25 well.. you don't want to waste space on such things 2011-04-08T18:56:36 *** Keth has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-04-08T18:56:49 *** Keth has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-08T18:58:09 ill try to see if i can fix that, but if not i think this would be the best option so far, wasting few megabytes and saving alot of work and effort 2011-04-08T18:58:25 it's a small thing, it could be potentially fixed 2011-04-08T18:58:33 it's probably a setting of your downloader 2011-04-08T18:59:14 yeah it might not be fixable though, due to the way that php page returns the data 2011-04-08T18:59:47 the js file does not change, yet your script makes a new js file for every game 2011-04-08T19:00:10 also.. what about the links from other places, do they get rewritten? 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