2011-04-21T00:12:48 antimatroid how do i turn on symmetric food spawning 2011-04-21T00:12:58 --food symmetric 2011-04-21T00:13:00 i think 2011-04-21T00:13:17 kk thanks 2011-04-21T00:17:20 hmm all this new fangled code makes my bot play worse lol 2011-04-21T00:17:31 i added logic to evaluate a move 2011-04-21T00:17:34 and it now does worse 2011-04-21T00:17:41 though the evaluation is flawed at he moment 2011-04-21T00:19:53 antimatroid: you have to fix that, your symmetric food only works for your translation symmetry maps 2011-04-21T00:20:13 amstan: what do you mean by fix? 2011-04-21T00:20:23 it doesn't work for the other type of maps 2011-04-21T00:20:35 what needs to happen is add a parameter for the map files indicating to the engine waht type of map it is 2011-04-21T00:20:43 then the engine can use the correct food spawning method 2011-04-21T00:21:10 JSON map files anyone? 2011-04-21T00:21:15 neg 2011-04-21T00:21:23 i wish there was a 2 player map 2011-04-21T00:21:26 to debug the bots 2011-04-21T00:21:33 bhasker_: the map generator is there 2011-04-21T00:21:39 4-5 player is too erratic to make any sense 2011-04-21T00:21:40 hmm k 2011-04-21T00:21:43 let me try that out 2011-04-21T00:21:52 remove the c and the d from the map :p 2011-04-21T00:22:08 Frontier: a and c or b and d would be better 2011-04-21T00:22:15 actually, may not matter 2011-04-21T00:24:42 there should be a 1 player map too 2011-04-21T00:24:47 no 2011-04-21T00:24:52 decision problems are not games 2011-04-21T00:25:06 could be just one per player 2011-04-21T00:25:11 to test the bot 2011-04-21T00:25:36 the engine couldn't handle that anyway atm 2011-04-21T00:25:47 it would just say they win or crash 2011-04-21T00:26:08 or say the map is invalid or something 2011-04-21T00:28:12 oh, ic 2011-04-21T00:30:07 *** yasith has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-04-21T00:30:20 i will talk to sigh about updating the map file format 2011-04-21T00:31:23 *** yasith has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T00:48:33 *** antimatroid has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-04-21T00:53:30 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) 2011-04-21T01:23:12 *** McLeopold has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T01:23:23 *** needsch has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T01:23:52 *** AlliedEnvy has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-04-21T01:25:02 *** AlliedEnvy has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T01:37:19 McLeopold: What would you think of disabling battles across water? 2011-04-21T01:56:21 too complicated? 2011-04-21T01:57:20 I actually think It would be very simple to implement if you would prefer it. So that's really what I'm wondering. 2011-04-21T01:58:16 I wouldn't want it to be too difficult for new users to run simulations 2011-04-21T02:01:46 *** ahmedhelal has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host) 2011-04-21T02:02:16 *** ahmedhelal has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T02:02:19 At some point we're gonna start making it too easy for people :) 2011-04-21T02:02:24 Walls blocking everything including sight add a nice tactical element, don't you think? :-) But we had that discussion already. 2011-04-21T02:02:37 But I definitely see your point 2011-04-21T02:04:33 Frontier: Has an official decision actually been made on what the next game is going to be? 2011-04-21T02:04:55 sure, I think it will be ants :p 2011-04-21T02:05:52 next next game :0 2011-04-21T02:06:25 I hope not 2011-04-21T02:06:28 No, but I believe it will be like the discussion for this game with a lot of proposals on the forums 2011-04-21T02:07:59 Alright, I'll be sure to watch closely. I'd like to be more of a part of the next one. I actuallly didn't know anything about these contests until a couple weeks ago 2011-04-21T02:08:21 like this term we had improved tron, several strategy games with space ships, soldiers etc., go, several ant game ideas.... 2011-04-21T02:10:07 So did a fair amount of people actually continue work on things like planet wars and tron after they were done? Cause if so, I think that might be the right time to really go for realism with ants :) 2011-04-21T02:10:08 Jeff wants the games to be understandable by watching a replay. So there is usually no bunch of stats like hit points, expierience points, levels, fuels, harvest or similar. 2011-04-21T02:10:32 Oh I definitely agree. That'd be far too confusing 2011-04-21T02:11:32 It is all in the line of 5-minute-starter-packages and supporting all programming languages. There are more complicated contests directed at different audiences. 2011-04-21T02:14:58 I never tried the MIT challenge, but I guess they use terrain with different heights and different units with hit points, maybe aircraft? 2011-04-21T02:15:24 Oh my. Perhaps in the future :) 2011-04-21T02:15:37 I've certainly appreciated the simplicity. I'm not an incredibly experienced programmer, but I've understood everything dealt with very well 2011-04-21T02:15:58 oh I forgot a good game idea: There was also an adoption of a flash game about ww2 air planes 2011-04-21T02:15:59 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2011-04-21T02:16:42 *** _0x47 <_0x47!~slash@p5B25FE32.dip.t-dialin.net> has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T02:16:50 I think anything relating to flight would be fascinating for ai 2011-04-21T02:17:03 but also potentially very confusing 2011-04-21T02:17:14 I see a difference when it comes to 'obvious' details like walls blocking attack or view in contrast to rules that seem to be made up for no particular reason. 2011-04-21T02:18:44 such as? 2011-04-21T02:24:59 *** McLeopold has left #aichallenge 2011-04-21T02:25:07 I try to get my had around mechanics that seem natural, but I get pissed off if the rules seem totally artificial. 2011-04-21T02:25:37 The snow ball game, some people here tried had movement rules that seemed odd. 2011-04-21T02:26:22 *** Ice_Harley has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T02:27:01 Yeah I see what you mean. Luckily everybody has done a wonderful job designing and making decisions for my first one 2011-04-21T02:29:57 *** antimatroid has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T02:34:18 jaycobcoleman: We thought about making each ant an individual process with very reduced communication, but it wasn't feasible. 2011-04-21T02:36:17 Oh trust me, I discovered that one for myself 2011-04-21T02:37:36 It's a pitty, because the communication option is fresh and could add a new dimension while keeping the rules simple. 2011-04-21T02:39:21 It'd be interesting to have the only inter-ant communication be via pheremone trails 2011-04-21T02:40:27 Of course that would add to the atmosphere of the game. 2011-04-21T02:41:05 We'll have to play around with some of these ideas. Post comp 2011-04-21T02:41:05 You would feel as if you create the brain of a successful life form. 2011-04-21T02:41:16 yes indeed 2011-04-21T02:42:27 Real ants are fascinating life forms. http://www.kaheel7.com/userimages/ant_bridge_03.JPG 2011-04-21T02:43:01 my god 2011-04-21T02:44:11 code that with pheromone communication: http://www.wunderground.com/wximage/viewsingleimage.html?mode=singleimage&handle=CameraGuy&number=232&album_id=94&thumbstart=0&gallery= 2011-04-21T02:45:56 This is beyond cool 2011-04-21T02:49:09 *** smellyhippy has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T02:49:09 *** smellyhippy has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T02:51:41 Would be cool to do research on ants :) : http://www.public.asu.edu/~nplowes/research.html 2011-04-21T02:52:13 "The emergence and resolution of conflicts between colonies of social insects is not clearly understood, especially from the level of the individual." 2011-04-21T02:52:50 With a mega complicated and realistic ant game we could write research history. 2011-04-21T02:53:34 We'll have to play around with it ; ) 2011-04-21T02:54:20 *** janzert has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-04-21T02:55:04 *** janzert has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T03:01:35 *** janzert1 has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T03:02:17 *** janzert has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-04-21T03:08:55 lol: "When a hungry ant touches the head or mouth of a storage worker ant, the storage worker responds by regurgitating food for the hungry ant." *boing* - ah you want food, kk, here you go *urg* 2011-04-21T03:13:18 "Minor workers grab the enemy by the legs, pinning them down so majors can attack the body. In some species, soldier ants do the fighting, while the minor workers scurry to and from the battleground, dragging corpses of both enemy and kin back to the nest to feed the family." 2011-04-21T03:18:26 So god damn perfect and efficient. 2011-04-21T03:19:10 You couldn't have that sort of a simuation without it being on a large time scale 2011-04-21T03:19:58 because roles for each ant have to be established and the only realistic way of doing that is by the situation they're born into 2011-04-21T03:23:27 Doesn't the queen decide what its eggs will become and so define the roles? 2011-04-21T03:23:52 I think you're right 2011-04-21T03:24:28 A worker ant harvests and fights, a queen produces eggs, a fertilizing male .. well does have sex ^^ etc. 2011-04-21T03:25:18 oh and there are the female non-queen ants that use antibiotica to kill funghi and bacteria in the nest 2011-04-21T03:26:16 *** ltriant has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep) 2011-04-21T03:26:21 You would need a large time scale though if you want to see how well a colony manages to survive, produce more queens and found more colonies. 2011-04-21T03:27:24 A single colony simulation doesn't need to produce more queens. 2011-04-21T03:29:33 *** aerique has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T03:33:32 I think it'd be interesting. There would certainly be tedious elements though. I don't think it would be nearly as easy to wrap your head around the idea like with this 2011-04-21T03:53:40 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T03:58:03 *** woudshoo` has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T04:06:09 *** berak has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T04:08:10 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-04-21T04:27:37 *** Stocha has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T04:28:37 How about starting with a lonely queen ant in year -4000, up to year +16000 were upon the first ant Queen land foot on the nearest habitable exo-planet ? 2011-04-21T04:28:55 You would have full ant DNA sequence with realistic proteine folding. 2011-04-21T04:29:33 there have been quite some activity in there. i wasn't able to properly read everything :p 2011-04-21T04:31:51 anyone working on a tcp wrapper ? 2011-04-21T04:32:15 I don't think soo 2011-04-21T04:32:32 But what do I know 2011-04-21T04:33:05 I would assume McLeopold would at least have heard of such a project if it existed. 2011-04-21T04:34:34 that's where I remember it from 2011-04-21T04:34:36 [17:12] is anyone working on porting the tcp server? [17:13] don;t think so [17:13] hmm it would be a rather boring competition without the tcp server [17:13] tcp server is what made it so much more fun [17:14] there will be a tcp server 2011-04-21T04:35:17 nobody I've talked to seems to have done any work on a tcp server 2011-04-21T04:36:07 But it is good to know that you will start work on one now. 2011-04-21T04:37:01 Who will? 2011-04-21T04:37:47 the one who is asking 2011-04-21T04:42:09 The tcp server from planet wars was really good. But now with up to 10 players and the new scoring system there is not much that can be reused I guess. The communication to the clients can be reused. But for someone who knows nothing about the engine, database and scoring system it means a lot of learning and talking with the McLeopold, sigh and others. 2011-04-21T04:43:30 I guess it wont be there when we want to start the contest and one of the insiders will rush a tcp server and client wrapper if nothing else happens. 2011-04-21T04:52:58 *** FireFly has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T04:55:09 *** antimatroid has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-04-21T04:56:26 *** Naktibalda has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T04:58:44 jaycobcoleman: The roles of ants is really more complicated then beeing born as a worker, queen etc. There was an experiment where unsuccessful group of food foraging ants let others do the job and specialised in brood care instead (after a month). 2011-04-21T05:02:11 Leafcutter ants have even evolved into farmers. They only feed on fungus they grow and feed in their colony. They are kinda vegetarian it seems. 2011-04-21T05:08:25 "Extreme specialists among the slave-raiding ants, such as the Amazon ants, are incapable of feeding themselves and need captured workers to survive." 2011-04-21T05:09:54 They're just too damn complex. It would be wonderfu l to try, but to get anything so dynamic? We couldn't do it justice 2011-04-21T05:10:04 You're really taken an interest in this subject now, haven't you 2011-04-21T05:12:42 Are you making a bot for the competition? 2011-04-21T05:20:27 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2011-04-21T05:41:08 jaycobcoleman: I think I will work on a bot for some days like last term. The work on the visualizer took some of my energy for the ant game already. 2011-04-21T05:42:11 *** Stocha has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-04-21T05:45:35 And yes, ants are fascinating in their own way, different from smart birds like corvids or apes. A 'game' would have to focus on a specific species with few known abilities. 2011-04-21T05:54:11 Click here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/life/Eciton_burchellii#p0039z74 to see ants bring down a scorpion. 2011-04-21T06:00:28 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T06:20:36 *** Ice_Harley_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T06:22:32 *** Ice_Harley has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-04-21T06:53:49 *** ulope has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T07:17:43 *** Kingpin13 has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T07:30:36 *** skynetz has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T07:42:14 *** sigh has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-04-21T07:54:42 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T08:00:36 *** berak has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [SeaMonkey 2.0a3/20090223135443]) 2011-04-21T08:14:17 *** yasith has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-04-21T08:20:06 aichallenge: Marco Leise epsilon * rd1dfde0 / (6 files in 3 dirs): visualizer: added mulitple zoom levels / fixed crash in jar when activating letters over ants / improved worst case rendering speed - http://bit.ly/fRr4WQ 2011-04-21T08:25:00 *** Naktibalda has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 4.0/20110318052756]) 2011-04-21T08:26:24 *** yasith has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T08:32:39 *** Stocha has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T08:33:00 http://www.fourmizzz.fr/ i think the game i litle dull for human playing. Bot could be good for bot making :p 2011-04-21T08:33:05 *** Gorgoroth has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T08:33:37 Problem with tcp server, is that i have no experience with wrapping std flux, nor do i have experience with std. 2011-04-21T08:33:59 then i have no experience with the ant framework (i used a homemade mock up for my experiment) 2011-04-21T08:34:51 so really, it would take quite some time for me to build the tcp stuff. especially without assistance. What about we make a quick specification to start with ? Then maybe i'll be willing to build some part of it. 2011-04-21T08:35:21 What are the feature a Tcp server needs ? 2011-04-21T08:39:40 *** Stocha has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-04-21T08:40:56 *** Gorgoroth has quit IRC () 2011-04-21T08:43:31 *** Naktibalda has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T08:46:51 *** yasith has quit IRC (Read error: Connection timed out) 2011-04-21T08:50:03 *** yasith has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T08:50:46 *** Gorgoroth has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T08:53:30 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T08:57:50 *** Stocha has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T08:58:36 Fontier: how long does it take on other browser ? (you said 20s/frame on firefox 3 ?) 2011-04-21T09:01:12 woudshoo: have you made some fighting code work so far ? 2011-04-21T09:17:04 Stocha: Well, not much time, just train rides, but I do now send all my ants to the closest enemy. 2011-04-21T09:17:52 Stocha: Oh, I also had time out with your bot, as well as mine, but that is because my laptop is slow at swapping in your bot. After it starts to run it runs ok. 2011-04-21T09:19:45 *** Naktibalda has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-04-21T09:25:44 woudshoo: interesting, i wonder if they will warmup their jvm or whatever is needed to avoid the warmup effect. 2011-04-21T09:28:31 *** Eruonen has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T09:28:59 *** yasith_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T09:28:59 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2011-04-21T09:31:23 *** yasith has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-04-21T09:31:45 *** jaycobcoleman has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-04-21T09:32:29 *** Stocha has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-04-21T09:35:33 *** yasith_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-04-21T09:35:59 *** yasith_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T09:40:54 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T09:41:21 *** Naktibalda has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T09:44:50 Stocha: Yes, I hope that they warm up my common lisp code as well. 2011-04-21T09:46:37 Stocha: Oh, interstingly, attacking the closest ants sometimes works very well and in other runs fails miserably. In general I get the impression that a lot depends on luck. 2011-04-21T09:46:54 food droppings and covering enough terrain in the beginning can be crucial. 2011-04-21T10:01:27 *** Ice_Harley_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-04-21T10:01:40 *** Ice_Harley has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T10:19:35 Frontier 2011-04-21T10:22:12 there? 2011-04-21T10:33:47 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2011-04-21T10:41:44 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T10:48:10 whois delt0r_ 2011-04-21T10:48:26 he is really cool 2011-04-21T10:48:28 oups 2011-04-21T10:48:32 delt0r_, french ? 2011-04-21T10:48:33 like awesome cool 2011-04-21T10:48:39 no 2011-04-21T10:48:45 New Zealander 2011-04-21T10:48:49 in Austria 2011-04-21T10:48:53 ok, sorry, i know someone with the same nick 2011-04-21T10:48:54 *** Naktibalda has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 4.0/20110318052756]) 2011-04-21T10:48:58 really? 2011-04-21T10:49:02 you look cool, indeed :D 2011-04-21T10:49:07 even google only finds me 2011-04-21T10:49:10 yeah, a french one 2011-04-21T10:50:53 even my real name is in my hostname 2011-04-21T10:51:03 static ips for the win 2011-04-21T10:51:21 <_0x47> guys, i don't get how the battle/attack system works. i once noticed, that an enemy ant was killed by 3 of mine, thus not loosing any of my ants. is this normal? like 2 ants kill 1 ant without losses? 2011-04-21T10:51:33 so much for runing out of ip4 i have 3 static ips for laptops 2011-04-21T10:51:44 *** aerique has quit IRC (Quit: ...) 2011-04-21T10:51:50 _0x47: as i understand 2011-04-21T10:51:51 yes 2011-04-21T10:52:17 <_0x47> hm, ok, so it's not very intelligent to attack hordes of ants with a single one... thanks 2011-04-21T10:52:27 the damage is spread over all 3 ants.. since it can't kill any in a single turn... 2011-04-21T10:52:44 you don't die... "health" regenrates each turn.. 2011-04-21T10:53:18 <_0x47> so, if 3 ants arrive in a row, every round one of them is killed, where the other 3 ants are alive? in other words, the damage of the previous round is forgotten? 2011-04-21T10:53:23 so having more is always better --an extream version of the number of guns idea 2011-04-21T10:53:32 <_0x47> hehe, you just answered my question 2011-04-21T10:53:35 <_0x47> thanks again 2011-04-21T10:53:50 yes...damage of the previous round is forgotten 2011-04-21T10:53:55 np 2011-04-21T10:54:46 <_0x47> one last question. do you guys have a place to test your bots besides local? because fighting against my own one is not so much fun (you win/loose either way) 2011-04-21T10:56:11 I have not been following so far... 2011-04-21T10:56:20 but typically a tcp version is set up 2011-04-21T10:56:54 I would not be surprised if one is already running 2011-04-21T10:57:03 previously these where unoffical 2011-04-21T10:57:27 this time round-- again as i understand-- there was talk of a offical tcp server 2011-04-21T10:59:47 _0x47: Stocha has released a .jar file implementing a bot 2011-04-21T11:00:20 <_0x47> no way, like the jBotManager? 2011-04-21T11:01:32 <_0x47> woudshoo`: where? 2011-04-21T11:06:56 *** helo_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T11:07:25 _0x47: Hm, I can't remember. If you grep the irc logs you should be able to find it. (but he send it a couple of weeks ago.) 2011-04-21T11:07:43 <_0x47> o, you mean it's his bot in a jar? 2011-04-21T11:07:49 _0x47: Sorry, but I am in a conference call in a few seconds and can't help you right now. 2011-04-21T11:07:57 <_0x47> np 2011-04-21T11:07:59 <_0x47> thanks! 2011-04-21T11:08:03 _0x47: Yes, he published a jar file to run with java -jar ... 2011-04-21T11:08:18 <_0x47> i thought more of something like the JBotManager... (like described by delt0r_) 2011-04-21T11:09:09 _0x47: I don't have time to write one this time around 2011-04-21T11:09:34 <_0x47> i didn't expect you to :D 2011-04-21T11:10:02 _0x47: at least you can test your bot :-) 2011-04-21T11:10:36 <_0x47> woudshoo`: yeah, thanks, I'll have a look for the logs! :) 2011-04-21T11:32:45 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-04-21T11:32:54 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T11:39:00 *** Ice_Harley has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-04-21T11:41:31 *** Naktibalda has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T11:51:06 *** helo_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-04-21T12:08:57 *** woudshoo` has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2011-04-21T12:20:25 *** Naktibalda has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 4.0/20110318052756]) 2011-04-21T13:22:56 *** berak has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T14:04:09 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T14:24:57 *** Naktibalda has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T15:01:08 *** Sunhay has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-04-21T15:01:30 *** Zepp has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-04-21T15:04:24 *** Zepp has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T15:04:26 *** Sunhay has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T15:22:49 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69.165.173.172> has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T15:38:55 *** cfaftw has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T15:40:09 I was just viewing some of the matches from the Planet Wars contest and got all nostalgic :| 2011-04-21T15:40:33 how satisfying it was to see those ships swarm and take over planets 2011-04-21T15:42:54 i hope "Ants" is as awesome 2011-04-21T15:47:01 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2011-04-21T15:47:09 it has even more of an RTS element to it. i think it should be awesomer. 2011-04-21T15:50:44 *** Redgis has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T15:58:05 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T16:00:52 *** Chris_0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T16:09:26 *** woudshoo has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T16:20:13 *** Stocha has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T16:20:30 the bot i gave for those waiting (or working on) the tcp server is here :http://ns368394.ovh.net/stocha/StandardBotFh2_2/ 2011-04-21T16:20:47 some had timeout problem with it. i think it runs better on java 64 bits. 2011-04-21T16:21:01 (it's 100 ms a turn on my lap tap ) 2011-04-21T16:21:44 *** Stocha has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-04-21T16:29:37 *** berak has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [SeaMonkey 2.0a3/20090223135443]) 2011-04-21T16:38:22 *** kaemo has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T16:41:16 *** woudshoo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-04-21T16:44:37 *** kaemo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-04-21T16:45:58 *** Chris_0076 has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-04-21T16:47:32 *** cfaftw has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-04-21T16:55:52 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T16:55:52 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-04-21T16:59:02 *** Naktibalda has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.16/20110323143040]) 2011-04-21T17:23:42 *** kaemo has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T17:34:30 *** Ttech has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2011-04-21T17:35:45 aichallenge: janzert epsilon * r3d5d49a / (4 files in 2 dirs): Move jail user creation into worker_setup.py - http://bit.ly/h59UDF 2011-04-21T17:46:10 *** Ttech has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T17:53:09 *** skynetz has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-04-21T17:55:54 *** Ttech has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-04-21T17:59:51 *** Redgis has quit IRC (Quit: ... mains libres) 2011-04-21T18:04:28 *** amstan has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-04-21T18:06:11 *** Ttech has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T18:10:31 *** skynetz has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T18:20:15 *** kaemo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2011-04-21T18:22:53 *** skynetz has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-04-21T18:29:04 *** sids_aquarius has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T18:50:09 *** sids_aquarius has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-04-21T18:56:27 *** FireFly has quit IRC (Quit: swatted to death) 2011-04-21T18:58:54 *** mceier has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2011-04-21T19:02:31 *** jaycobcoleman has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T19:09:21 *** antimatroid has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T19:13:13 mm, sleeping in tents is the best 2011-04-21T19:26:34 *** jaycobcoleman has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-04-21T19:26:53 anyone about? 2011-04-21T19:27:06 i want opinions on something.. 2011-04-21T19:27:26 disbelief == "lack of belief" or "belief in a lack of"? 2011-04-21T19:30:26 *** needsch has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-04-21T19:30:34 *** needsch has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T19:33:11 *** yasith_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-04-21T19:34:48 *** needsch has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2011-04-21T19:40:26 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T19:40:53 *** jaycobcoleman has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T19:40:54 *** _0x47 <_0x47!~slash@p5B25FE32.dip.t-dialin.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-04-21T19:41:25 *** sigh has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-04-21T19:41:40 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T19:43:03 animatroid: can you repeat what you said? I had strange computer problems 2011-04-21T19:43:23 disbelief == "lack of belief" or "belief in a lack of"? 2011-04-21T19:44:57 I think the latter 2011-04-21T19:45:32 non-believing vs. dis-believing 2011-04-21T19:46:08 *** yasith_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T19:46:18 Then again I don't really know that they're different. What is the context of the question? 2011-04-21T19:46:39 i got in a really stupid argument last night over the definition of atheism 2011-04-21T19:47:53 Nonbelief 2011-04-21T19:48:52 actually there's a term for it 2011-04-21T19:48:57 it's unbelief 2011-04-21T19:49:54 I imagine you're an atheist? 2011-04-21T19:50:33 i call myself a weak agnostic, and take that to mean I don't know whether something created what we call the universe or not, and don't know if a human could ever have definitive proof on such a question 2011-04-21T19:51:15 i do however strongly doubt any of the "worshiped gods" exist 2011-04-21T19:52:59 realistically all anyone will every be able to do is theorize, but I'm prefectly satisfied treating theory as fact if I see no compelling reason to believe otherwise 2011-04-21T19:53:24 how do you know such a creator couldn't decide to provide definitive proof that could be accepted? 2011-04-21T19:55:56 of course they could, but they haven't and I see no evidence that one will 2011-04-21T19:56:24 *haven't is clearly my own opinion of course 2011-04-21T19:59:23 yes, hence i am agnostic 2011-04-21T19:59:50 but i don't claim that it's impossible for something inside our universe to be given proof as to how it came to be 2011-04-21T20:00:11 or to someone gain the answer to such a question 2011-04-21T20:00:16 somehow* 2011-04-21T20:00:30 some people make that claim 2011-04-21T20:02:04 *** Frontier has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-04-21T20:02:57 *** Eruonen has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-04-21T20:04:00 I don't believe that it's impossible to prove the origin of the universe or for one to understand its origins, but I don't think it can ever be proven in a way that can't be twisted and continually challenged by theories that are, from an educated perspective, absurd 2011-04-21T20:05:13 have you used numpy arrays much? 2011-04-21T20:07:15 *** Eruonen has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T20:08:05 nope 2011-04-21T20:08:08 i don't use python 2011-04-21T20:09:46 okay well I think you can answer my question anyway. It's more just a confirmation 2011-04-21T20:12:02 when comparing two sets of data using bitwise operators | or &, will the highest of the two values and the lowest of the two values always be return (respectively) 2011-04-21T20:12:16 *returned 2011-04-21T20:14:59 wait, nevermind. I understand 2011-04-21T20:18:30 I was just experementing with & and | for non-boolean values and upon seeing that 3 | 5 returns 7 I thought whaaaaat for a couple seconds and now I feel like an idiot 2011-04-21T20:20:00 It shouldn't be hard to understand what something does when it's in the name :P 2011-04-21T20:22:07 sorry was reading interwebs :P 2011-04-21T20:22:41 *** Kingpin13 has left #aichallenge ("money can't buy you love, but it can if you have enough") 2011-04-21T20:24:02 anything interesting on the blagosphere this evening? 2011-04-21T20:24:55 reddit is in read only mode 2011-04-21T20:24:58 it's horrible 2011-04-21T20:25:07 is that supposed to be unusual? 2011-04-21T20:25:31 can't tell if you're making a joke at their servers or not? :P 2011-04-21T20:26:06 :P 2011-04-21T20:26:10 sounds like a joke to me 2011-04-21T20:26:30 don't hate on reddit's terrible terrible servers 2011-04-21T20:27:02 haters gonna hate :P 2011-04-21T20:27:24 now I see why you were busy :) 2011-04-21T20:27:43 it's the weekend! 2011-04-21T20:29:30 reddit's problems today are actually amazon's fault 2011-04-21T20:30:03 is that supposed to be unusual? 2011-04-21T20:30:04 :P 2011-04-21T20:31:00 they've said (at least the guys who left reddit) have said that like 90% of reddit's downtime is because of amazon 2011-04-21T20:31:04 It's always Amazon's fault 2011-04-21T20:31:32 how do they explain the downtime from before they went to amazon? 2011-04-21T20:31:48 *shrug* 2011-04-21T20:32:54 this is my source: http://www.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/g66f0/why_reddit_was_down_for_6_of_the_last_24_hours/c1l7d7m?context=3 2011-04-21T20:33:10 i have seen the comments sigh is referring to 2011-04-21T20:33:24 although a lot of those people seem quite "stale" towards the reddit guys too 2011-04-21T20:34:02 ketralnis say 80% 2011-04-21T20:38:22 http://i.imgur.com/hrZVs.jpg 2011-04-21T20:42:03 aha 2011-04-21T20:42:09 that's gold 2011-04-21T20:42:26 my favourite thing is how the "facebook gold" jokes just vanished 2011-04-21T20:42:52 that's because you need facebook gold to view them 2011-04-21T20:49:19 *** Eruonen has quit IRC () 2011-04-21T20:51:00 that doesn't make sense? :P 2011-04-21T20:52:08 what? when was I obliged to make sense? 2011-04-21T20:57:42 *** stride has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-04-21T21:04:18 you implicitly agreed to it by joining this channel 2011-04-21T21:04:40 it's in the fine print in the topic 2011-04-21T21:08:29 *** stride has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T21:21:19 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T21:21:19 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-04-21T21:39:33 *** smippy has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T21:39:33 *** smippy has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T21:42:54 *** smellyhippy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-04-21T22:06:36 *** smippy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-04-21T22:15:43 *** smellyhippy has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T22:15:43 *** smellyhippy has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T22:21:06 *** smellyhippy has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2011-04-21T22:23:13 *** smellyhippy has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T22:23:13 *** smellyhippy has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T22:40:52 *** Chris_0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T22:56:18 *** sigh has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2011-04-21T22:58:02 *** smippy has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T22:58:51 *** smellyhippy has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-04-21T23:03:55 *** Chris_0076 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-04-21T23:05:42 *** smippy has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-04-21T23:07:10 *** smellyhippy has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T23:07:12 *** smellyhippy has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T23:11:26 *** smellyhippy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-04-21T23:12:06 *** smellyhippy has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-21T23:12:06 *** smellyhippy