2011-04-24T00:00:19 *** Mathnerd314 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2011-04-24T00:00:26 McLeopold: that's the right idea. On the landing page it suffices to say something like "you have ants that fight other ants". 2011-04-24T00:00:30 amstan: what do you want me to do about LaTeX on the specs page? 2011-04-24T00:00:33 should i do my best without it? 2011-04-24T00:00:39 antimatroid: idk 2011-04-24T00:00:43 antimatroid: what about it? 2011-04-24T00:00:50 it isn't rendering it when you convert 2011-04-24T00:00:56 look at the distance section on the specs page 2011-04-24T00:01:10 antimatroid: PDF? 2011-04-24T00:01:33 j3camero: you can embed some LaTeX (they don't have all the packages i would like) into github wikis 2011-04-24T00:02:03 *** Chris_0076 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2011-04-24T00:02:17 Welcome to Google AI Challenge where you have a chance to write artificial intelligence programs with the utmost basic programming skills. You will be writing programs to compete in video games against other programs. 2011-04-24T00:02:20 *video* 2011-04-24T00:02:27 aichallenge: Alexandru Stan wwwdesign * re8bc5b1 / (9 files in 4 dirs): added favicon, added menu - http://bit.ly/h1Amna 2011-04-24T00:02:55 maybe i've gone too simple.. 2011-04-24T00:05:18 also, i created that ant on the new website design in inkscape. the svg file should be in the repo (afaik, amstan added it) 2011-04-24T00:05:30 we can do whatever with it, large versions could be fun 2011-04-24T00:05:41 computerwiz_222: to generic, more like mine, it needs to be "salesy" 2011-04-24T00:06:22 "Ants is a multi-player strategy game where colonies of ants fight for domination and you get to control one of the colonies. You participate by writing a computer program in a language of your choice that inputs data about the current game state and outputs which moves it would like to make. The objective is to eliminate the enemy colonies while taking over all of the resources." 2011-04-24T00:06:26 with a sample game below it 2011-04-24T00:06:37 aichallenge: Alexandru Stan epsilon * r4be86f3 / (20 files in 7 dirs): added a css-only version, moved the old version to site-draft - http://bit.ly/hfj4Ll 2011-04-24T00:06:38 aichallenge: Alexandru Stan epsilon * re8bc5b1 / (9 files in 4 dirs): added favicon, added menu - http://bit.ly/h1Amna 2011-04-24T00:06:40 aichallenge: Alexandru Stan epsilon * r698a3a3 / (12 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'wwwdesign' into epsilon - http://bit.ly/fC6yv9 2011-04-24T00:06:43 somebody please ruin my poor english skills 2011-04-24T00:06:51 even though it's my only language 2011-04-24T00:07:25 oh man.. 2011-04-24T00:07:27 git merge 2011-04-24T00:07:28 http://hypertriangle.com:13080/ 2011-04-24T00:07:33 it did all the magic 2011-04-24T00:07:34 "Ants is a multi-player strategy game where colonies of ants fight for domination. You participate by writing a computer program in a language of your choice that inputs data about the current game state and outputs which moves it would like to make. The objective is to eliminate the enemy colonies while taking over all of the resources." 2011-04-24T00:07:37 "New to programming? No problem. We can help you get started." 2011-04-24T00:07:39 nicely done antimatroid 2011-04-24T00:07:50 computerwiz_222: http://hypertriangle.com:13080/quickstart.php 2011-04-24T00:07:54 i just removed something that i felt was out of place.. idk why 2011-04-24T00:07:54 The Google AI Challenge is all about creating artificial intelligence, whether you are a complete beginner or an expert. Using the easy-to-use starter kit, you will create a computer program that controls a simulated colony of ants. Submit your program online to watch your ant colony fight for domination against colonies created by other people from around the world. It only takes 5 minutes to get started. 2011-04-24T00:08:21 amstan: would you look at this... this new design is working well 2011-04-24T00:08:23 computerwiz_222: can you try playing around with a "dirt" coloured background where white is? 2011-04-24T00:08:38 i like the design, but do feel a few of mcleopolds sentiments from yesterday 2011-04-24T00:08:45 the blue still doesn't feel quite right 2011-04-24T00:08:56 antimatroid: he tried white, it didn't look as cool 2011-04-24T00:08:57 antimatroid: i tried a few things... from an accessabiltiy point, i don't want to make it difficult to read the content text 2011-04-24T00:09:06 yep 2011-04-24T00:09:13 antimatroid: to be honest, it depends vastly on the monitor 2011-04-24T00:09:17 at work, it looks like ass 2011-04-24T00:09:23 (well.. the old version) 2011-04-24T00:09:30 i adjusted the blue 2011-04-24T00:09:39 j3camero: i'm going to morph our two explanations 2011-04-24T00:09:41 computerwiz_222: give me the commit with the white, i'll send a link 2011-04-24T00:09:47 um.. 2011-04-24T00:09:51 antimatroid: yeah for sure. I was just drafting. 2011-04-24T00:09:59 amstan: little help 2011-04-24T00:10:02 computerwiz_222: git log 2011-04-24T00:10:17 git checkout commitnumber to see it 2011-04-24T00:10:21 git checkout master when done 2011-04-24T00:11:52 computerwiz_222: can the phrase "Planet Wars" easily be put in place of "Ants" and still look good? I'm think of if the next contest has a longer name. 2011-04-24T00:12:03 http://home.hypertriangle.com/~andrew/aicontest/ 2011-04-24T00:12:06 antimatroid: in general I think we have to be careful to distinguish between "sales" materials and "reference" materials on the website. Most of the page hits will be on the sales materials. With the sales sections, the objective is purely to drive the traffic and convert them to the next stage. It's even okay to lie a little, like reassuring people that it will be really easy. 2011-04-24T00:12:31 McLeopold: I'm sure that something can be arranged. Possibly reduce the size of the font, have 2 lines and maybe offset them. 2011-04-24T00:12:42 McLeopold: It's not a deal breaker, that's for sure. 2011-04-24T00:12:51 Okay, here comes some nitpicking... 2011-04-24T00:13:23 Can you make the "Sign Up" larger than the "Sign In"? Regestered users will already know where to look. 2011-04-24T00:13:42 we could.. it might look funny though 2011-04-24T00:13:48 it will yes 2011-04-24T00:13:49 I think brown would be a better background 2011-04-24T00:13:53 Medium Text: Small Text | Large Text 2011-04-24T00:14:12 j3camero: i like the part where you explicitly add "will" to "you will" 2011-04-24T00:14:15 :p 2011-04-24T00:15:54 antimatroid: totally. That first paragraph has to reassure people that they really can do it. People have to be able to see themselves creating AI. Basically, you've got ten seconds to convince a person that they really can make AI, even though they are sure they cannot. 2011-04-24T00:16:14 antimatroid: j3camero: when you guys are done tell me when, i can update the test server with the text 2011-04-24T00:16:48 amstan: would you consider an upvote/downvote mod for the forums? 2011-04-24T00:16:55 "The Google AI Challenge is all about creating artificial intelligence, whether you are a complete beginner or an expert. Using one of the easy-to-use starter kits, you will create a computer program in a language of your choice that controls a simulated colony of ants which fights among other colonies for domination." 2011-04-24T00:17:14 McLeopold: if you can find me a mod that does it, and that doesn't take ages to install(manually editing files), then sure 2011-04-24T00:17:20 i really want to point out the fact that they're just having to read data from input, go to town deciding which moves to make, then output those moves 2011-04-24T00:17:23 McLeopold: but yes.. i agree, the reddit way is the best 2011-04-24T00:17:42 can we use reddit for our forums? 2011-04-24T00:17:48 it's all open source yeah? 2011-04-24T00:17:51 yes 2011-04-24T00:17:53 is it easily used for other forums 2011-04-24T00:17:55 that would be cool 2011-04-24T00:18:08 anyone know french? is this spam? http://ai-contest.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1371 2011-04-24T00:18:18 or we could just make an aichallenge subreddit? :P 2011-04-24T00:18:35 antimatroid: and post what in it? 2011-04-24T00:18:44 lol wtf yes its spam 2011-04-24T00:18:45 amstan: he lives in vancouver with a few kids 2011-04-24T00:18:50 our site is cool apparently 2011-04-24T00:18:51 i guess forums really want sections 2011-04-24T00:18:56 amstan: that is spam 2011-04-24T00:18:56 which is what subreddits are 2011-04-24T00:18:58 computerwiz_222: orly? 2011-04-24T00:19:03 computerwiz_222: it's spam lol 2011-04-24T00:19:03 i wish they would implement a tree structure for subreddits 2011-04-24T00:19:07 amstan: * 2011-04-24T00:19:31 ok, now it's gone 2011-04-24T00:19:48 j3camero: do you think we can attempt i18n? 2011-04-24T00:20:05 McLeopold: when we get django yes 2011-04-24T00:20:13 McLeopold: till then, god no, not with php 2011-04-24T00:20:13 McLeopold: I think we could yes, but only by using Django. 2011-04-24T00:20:36 we would need a team of translators 2011-04-24T00:21:02 We could use Django this time around, if we have somebody who already is pretty decent at it. Barring that, I think we should kick the i18n and l10n stuff one more contest down the road. 2011-04-24T00:21:03 I doesn't hurt to start now, and maybe make one page language specific, just as a test to see if people are willing 2011-04-24T00:21:42 maybe the 5-minute-starter could be special? 2011-04-24T00:21:50 and help with conversion rates 2011-04-24T00:22:26 We could offer translations of the most popular pages on a case by case basis. That would be really easy. 2011-04-24T00:22:35 As for full i18n, I think probably not. 2011-04-24T00:22:52 Let's try with the 5-min-starter only, just to see if we can get commited translators 2011-04-24T00:23:21 * amstan doesn't want to see the urls for those pages 2011-04-24T00:23:36 use HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 2011-04-24T00:23:55 h'okay people, criticise this 2011-04-24T00:23:56 "The Google AI Challenge is all about creating artificial intelligence, whether you are a complete beginner or an expert. Using one of the easy-to-use starter kits, you will create a computer program in a language of your choice that controls a simulated colony of ants which fights among other colonies for domination. 2011-04-24T00:23:57 It only takes 5 minutes to submit one of the starter kits to the website and watch your ant colony fight for domination against colonies created by other people from around the world. From there check out the tutorials on how to locally run your bot and begin programming!" 2011-04-24T00:24:06 How about this: created a subdirectory fr/ in the website. In there we will do our best to expand a french translation of the most high traffic pages. Anything that isn't translated yet just gets linked out to the english version. 2011-04-24T00:24:23 http://ietherpad.com/dmVS6JTTSp 2011-04-24T00:25:10 there we go 2011-04-24T00:25:19 start hacking at it for me :P 2011-04-24T00:25:29 I say french because I believe we have several french speakers inn here, including myself. And I am guessing computerwiz_222 as well, just based on his name (Rossignol) 2011-04-24T00:25:59 stocha is from france 2011-04-24T00:26:18 But we can also start expanding other translations as well. Particularly, we want to do Polish, Russian, Chinese, and Spanish. Google Anlytics will tell us which languages are most important. 2011-04-24T00:26:42 j3camero: maintaining translation strings is best practice, not separate sets of web pages 2011-04-24T00:26:56 lol, i was going to say google should let websites provide their own versions translted 2011-04-24T00:27:01 then realised how bad that would be 2011-04-24T00:27:11 j3camero: i'm not a french speaker, but i can read/understand enough to get by 2011-04-24T00:27:32 McLeopold: yes, for sure. I am just trying to bootstrap what we have now, avoiding building any machinery to deal with translation strings and _() and that sort of thing. 2011-04-24T00:28:28 A partial french translation is something we can build out in a few minutes or hours with no programming required. 2011-04-24T00:28:44 i like those cute little flags 2011-04-24T00:28:51 we can use those on our site to select language 2011-04-24T00:28:51 j3camero: I'm willing to put minimal hooks in 1 php page. 2011-04-24T00:28:54 i want to know where asian programmers hang out 2011-04-24T00:29:00 asia? 2011-04-24T00:29:04 lol 2011-04-24T00:29:05 online 2011-04-24T00:29:33 j3camero: join the fun http://ietherpad.com/dmVS6JTTSp 2011-04-24T00:29:37 there are meant to be lots of really smart asians (meh screw pc, it's the stereotype) yet not so many for these contests, i want to attract them 2011-04-24T00:29:46 Yeah I really really want to tap China and India. I know there are huge communities out there, but we haven't broken into them so far. Russia, yes. Poland, yes. Germany, yes. But zilch from China and India. 2011-04-24T00:29:53 and korea 2011-04-24T00:30:07 and japan (although they might be a bit busy atm) 2011-04-24T00:30:17 i will give the subreddits a go when we launch 2011-04-24T00:30:19 we had a south korean fight me for the top spot last year 2011-04-24T00:30:23 but other than that i don't really know where to look 2011-04-24T00:30:35 yeah, but that was a single person 2011-04-24T00:30:37 i remember them 2011-04-24T00:30:43 kcm1700 2011-04-24T00:30:44 we had oldman from china too 2011-04-24T00:30:49 we should rent a van and go cross country : 2011-04-24T00:30:55 didn't know he was from china 2011-04-24T00:30:58 :P 2011-04-24T00:31:01 good luck picking me up 2011-04-24T00:31:06 It seems we have only broken into countries whhere there are a decent number of people who also speak english. That's not surprising, since we have been english-only up until now. 2011-04-24T00:31:11 aichallenge: Alexandru Stan epsilon * raef56d7 / website/css/typo.css : fixed header position - http://bit.ly/h40U7s 2011-04-24T00:31:19 j3camero: we've tapped reddits market :P 2011-04-24T00:31:26 Pretty much yeah. 2011-04-24T00:31:57 lol we are driving across australia in a van, showing the contest to ALL THE PEOPLE. *cricket* *cricket* 2011-04-24T00:32:00 what about contacting univesities directly and sending them promotional stuff like posters 2011-04-24T00:32:04 Are there crickets in the desert? 2011-04-24T00:32:07 like.. csc's at other schools 2011-04-24T00:32:21 j3camero; i'm on the island off the bottom, you'll need to get another boat ride from the mainland :P 2011-04-24T00:32:23 computerwiz_222: problem is getting people to do it 2011-04-24T00:32:30 computerwiz_222: we did this in the past 2011-04-24T00:32:59 i know.. i mentioned it at McMaster last year and a couple friends of mine made accounts 2011-04-24T00:33:06 they didn't do anything.. but they still found out about it 2011-04-24T00:33:12 computerwiz_222: I did a lot of that during Tron. Google as a whole was pumping it hard at many campuses. We got some limited success, but nothing ultra-successful. We got like a dozen here and five there. Nothing like the way it catches fire in internet communities (forums, reddit, etc). 2011-04-24T00:33:36 j3camero: i half-expected that, worth a shot i guess 2011-04-24T00:33:50 j3camero: i was in #proggit a few times, the mere mention of the contest spurred a few people's interest 2011-04-24T00:34:07 I really really did it too. I had a team of people liasing with reps at some 200 universities around the world. 2011-04-24T00:34:13 j3camero: if our sponsors will pay for some nice magnets i'll put them on my car 2011-04-24T00:34:23 2010 Kia Forte, not making the contest look too bad :P 2011-04-24T00:34:38 Awww yeah 2011-04-24T00:35:09 antimatroid: do we have an "using the tools" wiki page? 2011-04-24T00:35:50 amstan: no 2011-04-24T00:35:54 Okay, it is time for me to sleep. 2011-04-24T00:36:00 i have been waiting for people to decide on how we are to use them :P 2011-04-24T00:36:04 antimatroid: it still says planet wars in a few places on it 2011-04-24T00:36:11 j3camero: Same for me. 2011-04-24T00:36:12 oh, ok, lol 2011-04-24T00:36:14 I am pumped about this website design. We are going to look less sketchy than we ever have before. 2011-04-24T00:36:19 Night everyone 2011-04-24T00:36:27 computerwiz_222: cya 2011-04-24T00:36:29 the last design wasn't sketchy 2011-04-24T00:36:30 j3camero: awesome 2011-04-24T00:36:40 and it's 2 36pm you fools 2011-04-24T00:36:48 antimatroid: first thing i saw.. those vertical white lines on the header 2011-04-24T00:37:00 antimatroid: except we're in not in australia 2011-04-24T00:37:06 antimatroid: amstan showed me that removal of those lines actually makes it worse 2011-04-24T00:37:36 computerwiz_222 haha yes. I remember fiddling with those damn lines before the last launch. Grr. 2011-04-24T00:38:01 j3camero: Bye for now, I'll be online tomorrow more than likely 2011-04-24T00:38:08 *** computerwiz_222 has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-04-24T00:38:09 j3camero: what did amreidle do? 2011-04-24T00:38:32 amstan: another problem :P 2011-04-24T00:38:46 the example map etc. fonts aren't whatever gives constant width for characters 2011-04-24T00:38:49 which is a problem 2011-04-24T00:39:06 antimatroid: yes, i should fix that 2011-04-24T00:39:10 antimatroid: make an issue 2011-04-24T00:39:19 i wouldn't have a clue how :P 2011-04-24T00:39:39 antimatroid: https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/issues 2011-04-24T00:39:44 antimatroid: press New Issue 2011-04-24T00:40:00 antimatroid: put a nice description, then assign it to me 2011-04-24T00:41:12 done 2011-04-24T00:41:59 antimatroid: only this page? http://hypertriangle.com:13080/specification.php 2011-04-24T00:42:36 amstan: the old one was done in a wiki yeah? 2011-04-24T00:42:37 http://ai-contest.com/specification.php 2011-04-24T00:42:41 they managed to get that out 2011-04-24T00:42:57 including by the looks of it the latex stuff 2011-04-24T00:43:05 idk, didn't you make that? 2011-04-24T00:43:23 not for planet wars 2011-04-24T00:43:34 janzert: was that you? 2011-04-24T00:43:45 hmm? 2011-04-24T00:44:02 oh, the old planetwars spec? 2011-04-24T00:44:12 I think that was written by jmcarthur 2011-04-24T00:44:50 jmcarthur: ping me sometime :P 2011-04-24T00:45:34 antimatroid: you might want to use later tell 2011-04-24T00:45:54 meh :P 2011-04-24T00:45:55 antimatroid: also.. it was on the forums, that's where he first posted it 2011-04-24T00:46:43 amstan: didn't he actually write in the google code wiki though? 2011-04-24T00:46:47 I'm not really sure 2011-04-24T00:46:54 maybe 2011-04-24T00:47:18 the wiki from google code was transferred: https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/wiki/Planet-Wars-Game-Specification 2011-04-24T00:48:13 antimatroid: check the svn logs 2011-04-24T00:48:31 antimatroid: it seems like the one who transferred it over added the image 2011-04-24T00:48:46 antimatroid: git log*, it should be in the history 2011-04-24T00:49:15 from the looks of that page, maybe i should just go through and try a similar format 2011-04-24T00:49:43 how quickly can you update your local copy to what is saved on the wiki? 2011-04-24T00:49:53 antimatroid: https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/commits/pw/planet_wars/www/specification.php 2011-04-24T00:50:01 antimatroid: i just git pull, then ./setup.py 2011-04-24T00:51:31 antimatroid: https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/commit/d22dc9b6f7eddd7f6e7d12daa01e63e68151ab69 2011-04-24T00:51:32 actually, the pages aren't exactly the same 2011-04-24T00:52:38 antimatroid: pong 2011-04-24T00:52:51 antimatroid: i updated the test server with the new wiki contents 2011-04-24T00:52:51 i don't think we need you now sorry :P 2011-04-24T00:52:58 you didn't do the specs page for planet wars did you? 2011-04-24T00:53:04 yes i did 2011-04-24T00:53:14 i wrote it using markdown and pandoc 2011-04-24T00:53:25 pandoc? 2011-04-24T00:53:25 oh, so it wasn't just converted from a wiki? 2011-04-24T00:54:37 amstan: I have a challenge for you :P embed frontiers visualiser onto that main page 2011-04-24T00:54:46 antimatroid: yes, i have to work on that too 2011-04-24T00:55:41 https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/issues/78 2011-04-24T01:03:56 antimatroid: no it wasn't just a conversion 2011-04-24T01:04:14 bugger :P 2011-04-24T01:04:19 antimatroid: i actually wrote the majority of both versions. i don't remember which was first, even 2011-04-24T01:04:29 *** needsch has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-04-24T01:04:37 antimatroid: if the wiki has a fairly common format then pandoc can probably read it 2011-04-24T01:04:48 markdown, textile, etc. 2011-04-24T01:05:03 it's using whatever github wikis use :P 2011-04-24T01:05:08 jmcarthur: what is this pandoc then? 2011-04-24T01:05:24 pandoc is markup sex 2011-04-24T01:05:38 all the markup languages getting together and having babies 2011-04-24T01:05:42 jmcarthur: so can it do githubish markdown + latex from it into html? 2011-04-24T01:05:49 probably 2011-04-24T01:06:08 how does github markdown differ from vanilla markdown? 2011-04-24T01:06:19 jmcarthur: i shall change this then to use pandoc: https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/blob/epsilon/website/setup.py 2011-04-24T01:06:28 jmcarthur: a few things, i'm not sure offhand 2011-04-24T01:06:30 latex i guess 2011-04-24T01:06:41 pandoc supports latex in markdown 2011-04-24T01:07:13 it can even import and export latex :D 2011-04-24T01:08:47 *** needsch has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-24T01:13:41 *** sids_aquarius has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-04-24T01:25:49 *** sids_aquarius has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-24T01:35:38 amstan/janzert: are you familiar with the php "guard" code? $JPC_CONTEST_SESSION_PHP__ 2011-04-24T01:35:49 no 2011-04-24T01:35:59 nope 2011-04-24T01:36:26 I think it's a poor man's require_once 2011-04-24T01:36:29 at least doesn't ring a bell at all 2011-04-24T01:38:04 hmm, yeah looks like someone familiar with c headers wrote it 2011-04-24T01:38:56 *** amstan_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-24T01:38:56 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan_ 2011-04-24T01:38:56 *** amstan has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-04-24T01:39:11 *** amstan_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-04-24T01:41:47 I also see session.php is currently included with "include 'session.php';" everywhere, which also seems like an error since a missing include will only cause a warning not an error 2011-04-24T01:42:16 and require, better require_once, would be what we really want 2011-04-24T01:47:56 janzert: all the includes on the php site are ridiculous. it all gets linked in through spagetti code 2011-04-24T01:48:37 header -> session -> mysql_login -> server_info 2011-04-24T01:50:00 I think at some point you'd want a web request to only connect to the sql server if it needs info from it, but that may be every request? 2011-04-24T01:50:13 I think so 2011-04-24T01:50:53 doesn't the session information get pulled from the db? 2011-04-24T01:51:52 hmm, actually maybe it doesn't 2011-04-24T01:52:28 it looks like the only part of session.php that touches the database is to activate a user 2011-04-24T01:52:35 I'm looking at that now. I should at least unhook the header.php from connecting to the database unless needed 2011-04-24T01:53:08 the header does need the session though 2011-04-24T01:53:20 session doesn't need mysql 2011-04-24T01:53:24 right 2011-04-24T01:54:11 at least if you refactor activate_user out of it 2011-04-24T01:54:30 which it doesn't seem to really belong there anyway 2011-04-24T01:54:34 I don't see an "active_user"? 2011-04-24T01:54:43 activate 2011-04-24T01:54:52 last function in the file 2011-04-24T01:55:03 grant_permission_to_user 2011-04-24T01:55:32 oh, I already factored that out, but didn't commit yet :) 2011-04-24T01:55:35 hmm, at line 79 for me 2011-04-24T01:55:37 ahh 2011-04-24T01:56:30 I hope you're getting rid of all the /deprecated/ functions the just return false too? 2011-04-24T01:56:46 it might be dangerous to put an include before the yes, I am 2011-04-24T01:57:38 ug, and header needs footer or you have open div tags :( 2011-04-24T01:58:05 yes, fairly unavoidable with the way it is written 2011-04-24T01:58:30 okay, stop me from doing too much, I've only started this to fix uploads :/ 2011-04-24T01:58:51 *** ahmedhelal has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-04-24T01:59:34 *** ahmedhelal has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-24T01:59:35 yeah, I wouldn't go too much further 2011-04-24T02:00:14 or you're looking at a whole rewrite of the way the html is produced, (e.g. using a really template system such as smarty) 2011-04-24T02:00:26 s/really/real 2011-04-24T02:17:28 janzert: do you know php? 2011-04-24T02:17:45 not really 2011-04-24T02:18:00 hmm, do you think you could debug a scoping issue? 2011-04-24T02:18:19 I can try and help at least ;) 2011-04-24T02:18:36 okay, I've got check_submit.php, which includes submission.php 2011-04-24T02:19:04 I'm using the function create_new_submission_for_current_user, which calls an sql insert statement. 2011-04-24T02:19:14 I've put the sql statement into sql.php 2011-04-24T02:19:35 mysql_query(sprintf($sql["insert_new_submission"],current_user_id())) 2011-04-24T02:19:51 $sql is an associative array 2011-04-24T02:20:20 I get a "Query was empty" error when I use the $sql variable, but if I just put the text in there, it works? 2011-04-24T02:21:14 If, instead of calling cureate_new_submission_for_current_user, I just call the mysql_query directly from check_submit, the $sql variable works? 2011-04-24T02:21:35 my first debug step with php would be to stick an 'echo sprintf($sql["insert_new_submission"]...' line just before the call 2011-04-24T02:22:13 McLeopold: it is slightly harder to give people a vector of food information now :P 2011-04-24T02:22:29 * antimatroid is updating his starter bot 2011-04-24T02:22:31 submission.php is including sql.php in some way? (require, etc.) 2011-04-24T02:23:12 check_submit -> mysql_login -> sql 2011-04-24T02:23:26 I've added directly to submission just for kicks 2011-04-24T02:29:48 slightly different topic, but I wonder if it wouldn't be a good idea to add contest_query function in mysql_login that takes a query name and the associated arguments and does the mysql_query(sprintf($sql[$query_name], arguments... call 2011-04-24T02:34:09 if we are doing that, then we could switch to prepared statements easily 2011-04-24T02:34:22 also, my problem was I can't use a global in a function 2011-04-24T02:34:48 I'm so use to scope chains 2011-04-24T02:34:52 ahh 2011-04-24T02:35:11 actually, that one gets me in python all the time 2011-04-24T02:35:15 you need "global $sql" 2011-04-24T02:35:30 yeah, so I might as well create the contest_query function 2011-04-24T02:37:34 something like http://pastebin.com/QzgeeGuR 2011-04-24T02:37:40 should do it 2011-04-24T02:38:01 I can just include the sql.php right in that function 2011-04-24T02:38:05 although completely untested and in particular unsure if it works for a query without additional parameters 2011-04-24T02:38:30 yeah, if it's not needed anywhere else 2011-04-24T02:43:59 janzert: http://pastebin.com/CisU4kvW 2011-04-24T02:44:04 aichallenge: Nick Ham epsilon * r34a936c / (3 files): updated the c++ starter bot - http://bit.ly/eIZhtf 2011-04-24T02:44:21 i think i might know what my problem with git ssh keys is 2011-04-24T02:44:31 did you have a problem? 2011-04-24T02:44:38 would having a dynamic ip and resetting it cause me issues? 2011-04-24T02:44:44 it shouldn't 2011-04-24T02:45:11 if you are on ubuntu, you should have a ".ssh" dir, and that should be good enough to authenticate 2011-04-24T02:45:15 i used to find i always needed to add my email address to the end of my key on the website whenever i wanted to do something 2011-04-24T02:45:29 but recently i got a new router and haven't been needing to reset it as much, anyway, something has changed 2011-04-24T02:45:36 yeah, my public part ends in my email address 2011-04-24T02:46:04 yeah, on the website it strips it, but i used to not be able to connect after x amount of time unless i manually readded that to the end 2011-04-24T02:46:09 but it just worked without me having to do that 2011-04-24T02:46:30 anyway, the c++ bot keeps track of food information now, and only gives people information about whether a square is visible or not 2011-04-24T02:46:59 why did you say food is harder now? 2011-04-24T02:48:41 it's hard to have say a vector food; in state 2011-04-24T02:48:53 well, unless you do a full scan of the map to find current foo 2011-04-24T02:49:11 if you just add locations with an 'f' line, you will add some food more than once 2011-04-24T02:49:31 the best bet is to use a set 2011-04-24T02:49:59 oh, yeah, I looked at that in my code and decided to solve it later :) 2011-04-24T02:50:10 i just got rid of the food and enemies vector :P 2011-04-24T02:50:34 let them deal with it 2011-04-24T02:50:52 I was thinking of creating a second food list in python, then for every 'f' line, scan the old list to determine known food and potential food 2011-04-24T02:51:20 let them do that 2011-04-24T02:51:35 we can cover these kinds of options in the beginners tutorial 2011-04-24T02:51:45 so they have quite a few simple things to play around with to get familira 2011-04-24T02:51:47 Well, I still think it's okay for the starter bots to handle the state updates 2011-04-24T02:52:35 The tutorial should cover things like, "attempt to return to seen food", not "rewrite the update function to remember seen food" 2011-04-24T02:53:09 The tutorial should cover possible strategies and tactics for the game, not programming techniques. 2011-04-24T02:53:33 but using the information differently is different strategy/tactics 2011-04-24T02:54:16 I'm making the information available. The tutorial can discuss using it. Others can re-write the implementation for speed or other reasons. 2011-04-24T02:54:21 if you start people with the stupider idea while making it just as easy to switch, then you can make it easy for people to see their bot beat the starter bot, and from there they're hooked 2011-04-24T02:54:33 but yeah, i really don't mind 2011-04-24T02:54:43 just voicing my opinion on starter bots 2011-04-24T02:55:10 well, you're in charge of them, but I really think we should include this 2011-04-24T02:56:21 include what? :P 2011-04-24T02:56:25 just to be clear 2011-04-24T02:57:05 Include updating food information to know the difference between visable food and non-visable potential food. 2011-04-24T02:57:20 *visible* that is 2011-04-24T02:58:08 So, included remembered food in the food list, but have a flag or maintain 2 lists 2011-04-24T03:07:24 *** needsch has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-04-24T03:09:59 but do they need a list? 2011-04-24T03:10:20 well, the starter bot writer can pick the data structure 2011-04-24T03:10:22 can't it be enough that they can check a location in the grid as to whether it's food and/or visible 2011-04-24T03:10:39 sure 2011-04-24T03:19:37 *** stocha has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-24T03:19:58 antimatroid: i think we said we always assume that unseen food is not there anymore. 2011-04-24T03:20:16 stocha: when? 2011-04-24T03:20:20 antimatroid: and that the R stuff wasn't desirable. Although it was not very annoying either 2011-04-24T03:20:34 it was desirable for some and doesn't affect others 2011-04-24T03:20:34 antimatroid: by we, i mean the guy you asked and me :p 2011-04-24T03:20:39 giving net deirability :P 2011-04-24T03:20:43 it's desireconomics 2011-04-24T03:20:54 antimatroid: now you see that it raises questions. Wich is "bad" :p 2011-04-24T03:21:09 Also i think there is way for implementing the game of life without indexes 2011-04-24T03:21:31 although i wouldn't have been able too when i was 14 :p 2011-04-24T03:21:31 lots of variables :P 2011-04-24T03:21:59 and without per say arrays 2011-04-24T03:22:54 Because you can use bit-operiations for the game of life. Where indices won't matter anymore. 2011-04-24T03:23:23 especially if it's 15x15 in size :p 2011-04-24T03:23:46 i don't think that was what they meant when they didn't use arrays 2011-04-24T03:24:22 i don't know, i did'nt follow. 2011-04-24T03:24:32 i just wanted to point out it wasn't impossible. 2011-04-24T03:25:20 you can do 15x15 with 15 (16bit) registers. 2011-04-24T03:25:45 multiplayer game of life would have been cool 2011-04-24T03:26:01 you choose your starting position ? 2011-04-24T03:26:06 yep 2011-04-24T03:26:12 like everyone in turn put up a piece 2011-04-24T03:26:13 and you can move your squares each turn 2011-04-24T03:26:16 and there's no draws 2011-04-24T03:26:31 *** McLeopold has left #aichallenge 2011-04-24T03:26:39 you can move like in ant ? 2011-04-24T03:26:44 yeah 2011-04-24T03:26:49 well that's one option 2011-04-24T03:26:55 so the life rule apply with everyone being same color ? 2011-04-24T03:27:05