2011-04-29T00:25:46 Is number of entries limited for each person? 2011-04-29T00:28:04 you can have only one entry 2011-04-29T00:28:14 if you are caught with more than one active entry all will be disqualified 2011-04-29T00:28:32 unless it was obviously truly an accident 2011-04-29T00:28:49 alright, that's what I thought. 2011-04-29T00:29:18 when you make changes though is the system going to recognize it as the same bot? 2011-04-29T00:31:37 you are logged in when you upload your bot 2011-04-29T00:31:47 it knows who you are 2011-04-29T00:32:11 you zip the folder containing your bot and upload that to submit it 2011-04-29T00:32:36 containing the source files* for your bot 2011-04-29T00:32:54 okay, then will any new submissions uploaded overwrite your old one? 2011-04-29T00:33:13 yes 2011-04-29T00:33:22 and your score will be reset 2011-04-29T00:33:27 score/rank 2011-04-29T00:33:43 it wasn't reset last time and i think it was bad 2011-04-29T00:33:49 i'm very much in favour of resetting the scores 2011-04-29T00:33:59 perhaps we should give people the option of keeping their rank? 2011-04-29T00:34:03 no 2011-04-29T00:34:09 why? 2011-04-29T00:34:12 people resubmit a lot to keep their rank up 2011-04-29T00:34:16 which is also a drain on the servers 2011-04-29T00:34:25 and people don't play anyone outside their rank region 2011-04-29T00:34:27 well, hardly 2011-04-29T00:34:38 alright :P 2011-04-29T00:34:50 it doesn't take that long for your bot to get to where it's meant to 2011-04-29T00:34:58 always resetting is definitely better than never resetting 2011-04-29T00:35:07 and yes the ranking system is very intuituve 2011-04-29T00:35:11 *intuitive 2011-04-29T01:16:40 *** Mathnerd314 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-04-29T01:46:42 if we ever intend to use get_map_output for showing map output from the perspective of a specific player then it'll have to be adapted to include UNSEEN_FOOD 2011-04-29T01:47:15 although this could be problematic because it would be the only thing seen by each player that we didn't want reflected by the replay data 2011-04-29T01:47:18 *** Cyndre has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-04-29T01:47:33 *** Cyndre has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T01:49:08 *** antimatroid has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-04-29T01:49:23 *** antimatroid has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T01:58:01 *** Ice_Harley has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T02:12:37 *** Cyndre_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T02:15:58 *** Cyndre has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-04-29T02:32:15 *** Cyndre_ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-04-29T02:32:29 *** Cyndre_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T02:41:20 *** delt0r has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-04-29T02:42:20 *** Cyndre_ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-04-29T02:42:49 *** Cyndre_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T02:51:23 *** janzert has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-04-29T02:57:11 *** janzert has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T03:03:38 *** dr-` is now known as dr- 2011-04-29T03:04:17 *** delt0r has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T03:29:51 *** berak has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T03:34:14 *** woudshoo has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T04:12:30 animatroid: damn you australians! http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/gznyk/what_obama_care_has_done_for_me/c1rif6t 2011-04-29T04:19:28 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T04:26:35 *** boegel has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T04:40:05 *** amstan_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2011-04-29T04:41:20 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T05:00:31 *** Eruonen has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T05:10:35 *** Kingpin13 has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T05:11:08 *** _0x47 <_0x47!~slash@p5B25FAA6.dip.t-dialin.net> has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T05:18:26 jaycobcoleman: you guys get raped over there 2011-04-29T05:20:04 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-04-29T05:20:45 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T05:34:04 *** stocha has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T05:35:02 bhasker: weird. Some people have used the bot with success. Maybe you had it timeout. Antimatroid said it was timeouting on his system. (although it only takes 20ms on mine) 2011-04-29T05:35:30 Another hypothesis is that the new game engine is not compatible with old bots. 2011-04-29T05:36:29 *** Frontier has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T05:37:38 how would it not be compatible? 2011-04-29T05:38:09 i don't know. Bhasker says it doesn't move. Most probably it timedout. 2011-04-29T05:38:46 Anyway. You can't speak of "accurate" ranking unless each bot plays at least 1000 games. 2011-04-29T05:39:53 stocha: what issue are you talking about? 2011-04-29T05:42:37 *** delt0r___ has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T05:44:23 *** delt0r has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-04-29T05:45:06 jaycobcoleman: I posted a link to my java bot. And bashker wasn't able to make it do anything it seems. 2011-04-29T05:45:22 i don't want to try to dig into that, as i have very few time at the moment. 2011-04-29T05:45:34 hmm :/ kay 2011-04-29T05:45:46 you can set the timeout to a larger value and test again 2011-04-29T05:46:02 i wasn't the one doing the testing. 2011-04-29T05:46:06 nah that was my issue 2011-04-29T05:46:13 but it wasn't working properly for some reason 2011-04-29T05:46:21 ? 2011-04-29T05:46:31 what do you mean ? 2011-04-29T05:47:53 *** _0x47 <_0x47!~slash@p5B25FAA6.dip.t-dialin.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-04-29T05:51:38 ? 2011-04-29T05:51:56 bhasker didn't have a timeout issue as far as i know 2011-04-29T05:53:59 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T05:56:15 ... who's gonna do code jam? 2011-04-29T05:56:26 i suck at those problems, but something to do 2011-04-29T05:57:37 I considered it, but I don't think I'd do so well :/ 2011-04-29T05:58:28 i wont do well 2011-04-29T05:58:30 something to do though 2011-04-29T05:58:54 the qualification round is usually trivial 2011-04-29T05:59:22 ...how trivial? 2011-04-29T06:01:13 you should be able to get through qualifying 2011-04-29T06:01:25 there are past problems up that you can practice with 2011-04-29T06:02:21 merrr. I don't know, I'm a little busy :) I got women nagging me enough already for being on my computer all the time 2011-04-29T06:04:30 if you're not taking it very seriously, it's not very time consuming :P 2011-04-29T06:04:51 alright, when does it start? 2011-04-29T06:05:05 qualification is in like 9 days 2011-04-29T06:07:20 alright I'll prepare! 2011-04-29T06:07:49 *** MatmaRex has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T06:07:53 *** MatmaRex has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T06:17:34 *** stocha has left #aichallenge 2011-04-29T06:28:54 http://www.overclockers.com.au/image.php?pic=images/newspics/29apr11/2.jpg 2011-04-29T06:29:06 what's it actually doing aha? 2011-04-29T06:30:06 its hanging around here, good laugh every now and then 2011-04-29T06:30:11 its good 2011-04-29T06:38:21 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T06:43:06 can i have some cpp clarification? 2011-04-29T06:43:28 possibly 2011-04-29T06:43:38 i'm no expert, but i know some stuff 2011-04-29T06:43:38 cin >> state; 2011-04-29T06:43:48 and state is a State struct 2011-04-29T06:43:56 yeah 2011-04-29T06:44:17 what does >> mean here? 2011-04-29T06:44:25 it's like cin >> myInt; 2011-04-29T06:44:32 it's the input syntax for c++ 2011-04-29T06:44:34 but state is a struct 2011-04-29T06:44:40 not a single variable 2011-04-29T06:44:48 what determines the input format? 2011-04-29T06:44:59 the specs page :P 2011-04-29T06:45:32 there is a function in State.cc "std::ostream& operator>>(std::ostream &os, const State &state)" 2011-04-29T06:45:33 ok bad question 2011-04-29T06:45:39 aha 2011-04-29T06:45:41 ok 2011-04-29T06:45:45 which inputs information from an ostream os and reads it into state 2011-04-29T06:45:55 i see its overloaded 2011-04-29T06:46:07 if you want to debug, you can have "game input" in a file, then use a file stream "ifstream file" and use "file >> state" 2011-04-29T06:46:24 i absolutely love doing io using >> and << 2011-04-29T06:46:35 i will not use the cpp starter kit 2011-04-29T06:46:44 just want to get a general idea what is does 2011-04-29T06:46:46 you can also overload like state++ to increment states etc :) 2011-04-29T06:46:54 yeah, i generally write my own starter package 2011-04-29T06:47:07 i mean i wont be using cpp >( 2011-04-29T06:47:08 they are mostly there for people who aren't able/can't be bothered writing their on 2011-04-29T06:47:10 :( 2011-04-29T06:47:10 own* 2011-04-29T06:47:14 why not? 2011-04-29T06:47:23 oh, you're a lispy? 2011-04-29T06:47:26 yes 2011-04-29T06:47:36 but im still closer to cpp than lisp 2011-04-29T06:47:36 worked well for mega1 :P 2011-04-29T06:47:57 yes, but he was an expert lisper 2011-04-29T06:48:23 ty antimatroid 2011-04-29T06:48:33 np, i did write the bot :P 2011-04-29T06:48:40 i think i am obliged to answer questions on it 2011-04-29T06:49:29 it is a basic version of how I usually set my bots up 2011-04-29T06:49:49 although I used to just have the Bot struct stuff in main, but i like how it's done now 2011-04-29T06:50:10 and i used to just use an ofstream for debugging, but now i can strip it all on compile easy 2011-04-29T06:50:33 *** Naktibalda has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T06:51:16 why dont u use class? 2011-04-29T06:52:11 u dont want to be bothered by public, private stuff? 2011-04-29T06:53:01 i am a communist programmer 2011-04-29T06:53:03 everything is public 2011-04-29T06:53:12 so it's just easier to use structs :) 2011-04-29T06:53:16 ok 2011-04-29T06:53:30 i will try to find a red colorscheme for ur codes 2011-04-29T06:53:49 :p 2011-04-29T06:54:06 i still like a comment from yesterday 2011-04-29T06:54:09 about neo and smith 2011-04-29T06:54:13 let me find it 2011-04-29T06:54:23 :) 2011-04-29T06:54:25 that was you 2011-04-29T06:54:27 excellent :) 2011-04-29T06:54:51 dont talk to me about matrix, i want to concentrate not to daydream 2011-04-29T06:55:25 ahh 2011-04-29T06:55:28 here it comes 2011-04-29T06:55:36 i have one question 2011-04-29T06:55:48 what is neo doing when the curier arrives? 2011-04-29T06:55:55 he is in his cubicles 2011-04-29T06:56:01 facing his computer 2011-04-29T06:56:07 but its not turned on!!! 2011-04-29T06:56:25 there was no reddit 2011-04-29T06:56:26 he is like meditating? 2011-04-29T06:56:29 whatever would he have done with it on? 2011-04-29T06:56:35 or mental-prograMMING 2011-04-29T06:56:54 typing something? 2011-04-29T06:57:01 red rabbit? 2011-04-29T06:57:14 hacking away soemthing 2011-04-29T06:57:22 but he just stares at it 2011-04-29T06:57:28 soo weird scene 2011-04-29T06:57:30 he wasn't a programmer was he? 2011-04-29T06:57:35 yes 2011-04-29T06:57:41 he was an expert hacker 2011-04-29T06:58:04 hacking sounds a lot like web devlopment 2011-04-29T06:58:10 except in reverse 2011-04-29T06:58:18 messy and ugly, just playing around till it works 2011-04-29T06:58:56 i cant know that 2011-04-29T06:59:02 my site is pretty simple 2011-04-29T06:59:14 i don't have one 2011-04-29T06:59:15 and i havent touched it in 8 years? 2011-04-29T07:00:08 maybe he was debugging himself 2011-04-29T07:00:25 its an eternal mistery 2011-04-29T07:00:33 back to work 2011-04-29T07:03:14 sigh: how goes the lunches? 2011-04-29T07:03:27 lunches? 2011-04-29T07:03:34 google 2011-04-29T07:03:53 ahh... food is awesome :) 2011-04-29T07:04:06 what has been for lunch so far? 2011-04-29T07:04:12 also being able to snack throughout the day is good 2011-04-29T07:04:13 hmmm 2011-04-29T07:04:31 we had kangaroo the other day :) 2011-04-29T07:04:47 i don't think i've ever had kangaroo 2011-04-29T07:05:00 *** jaycobcoleman has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-04-29T07:05:01 not because i'm anal about it, just haven't 2011-04-29T07:05:28 it's good when it's not overdone... i think it is hard to cook well in general 2011-04-29T07:06:53 how's the work? 2011-04-29T07:08:25 mostly I'm just floundering around in the code... so much to learn to understand how things work 2011-04-29T07:09:02 the people are cool, they answer my endless stream of questions :P 2011-04-29T07:09:52 *** berak has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [SeaMonkey 2.0a3/20090223135443]) 2011-04-29T07:10:29 sounds fun :P 2011-04-29T07:10:51 i'm imagining you like the fish out of water in super mario brothers on snes 2011-04-29T07:11:17 yeah, it's really fun :) 2011-04-29T07:11:33 it's really cool learning how everything works behind the scenes 2011-04-29T07:12:56 the internet really likes the big bang theory 2011-04-29T07:13:06 i watch it because i get very bored, but i think it's awful 2011-04-29T07:13:21 i like it 2011-04-29T07:13:44 it's gotten a bit tiresome lately, but still 2011-04-29T07:14:48 i will die when i have to work full time 2011-04-29T07:14:57 :P 2011-04-29T07:15:08 it's not too bad, you get used to it :) 2011-04-29T07:15:37 yes, but when i eventually get to that point, it's going to be a big shock 2011-04-29T07:15:53 what part specifically? 2011-04-29T07:16:29 the long consecutive hours 2011-04-29T07:16:43 thursdays i have 3 classes, that's my longest day for classes 2011-04-29T07:16:57 i have 1 class on mondays, 2 wednesdays and none tuesdays and fridays 2011-04-29T07:17:21 three hours of work in a row on tuesdays is painful :P 2011-04-29T07:18:34 you'll have to get used to long consecutive hours before you reach the workforce if you are going to be a grad student :P 2011-04-29T07:20:39 they don't have to be consecutive :P 2011-04-29T07:20:49 i do a LOT of work, but not all at once 2011-04-29T07:21:48 i was 1 unit shy of having done the equivalent of 5 years worth of units in 4 :( 2011-04-29T07:22:41 :P 2011-04-29T07:23:03 i can sort of count measure theory, but it's not on my record 2011-04-29T07:23:15 and i didn't do assignments towards the end of semester as i didn't have time 2011-04-29T07:23:30 well, at work it's not like you are working flat out continuously :) 2011-04-29T07:23:34 i wanted to put it on my record, but the dean of science is an asshole 2011-04-29T07:23:45 and plus you can mostly forget about it at the end of the day, unlike uni 2011-04-29T07:23:55 wouldn't let us do 6 units in a semester, or count add a post grad unit to an undergrad transcript 2011-04-29T07:24:16 :) 2011-04-29T07:24:17 yeah, that's what i'm most envious about, not having to worry about it that much when you aren't there 2011-04-29T07:24:42 that is the biggest thing that makes me want to not go down the academic road 2011-04-29T07:25:05 have you done any internships? 2011-04-29T07:25:11 nope :P 2011-04-29T07:25:24 you should, if only to see what it's like 2011-04-29T07:25:31 i don't really have time 2011-04-29T07:25:40 gives you a better idea of what road you should head down 2011-04-29T07:26:04 i am going to do masters in maths at anu next year, then either work for a bit or do a phd in maths at anu or in economics at uni of queensland (there's a really good game theorist there) 2011-04-29T07:26:36 i applied for an rba internship the summer before last, but they didn't even interview me :( 2011-04-29T07:26:56 apply to more than one place :P 2011-04-29T07:27:24 although my boss suggests they were keen on people about to do honours (2 people from utas with far less maths and no programming got cadetships and now work there), but she could just be trying to make me feel better 2011-04-29T07:27:38 *** davidd has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-04-29T07:27:40 i did apply to rbnz for a similar thing, but same deal, no interview 2011-04-29T07:27:58 but i did my summer research scholarship thing playing around with game theory instead, which i would have preferred anyway 2011-04-29T07:28:02 hmm... get some people to review your resume and cover letter 2011-04-29T07:28:04 except no real experience 2011-04-29T07:28:38 i shall at some point 2011-04-29T07:28:45 i had my boss go over it before sending it off 2011-04-29T07:28:55 and seriously, learn how to sell yourself hard... there's not point holding back 2011-04-29T07:29:04 ergh, i hate that 2011-04-29T07:29:33 it's a skill, and you'll need it in academia as well 2011-04-29T07:30:03 i'm more interested in evaluating people based on what they know rather than how they can sell themselves 2011-04-29T07:30:16 i know it doesn't work like that, i just like to stick it to things i don't like 2011-04-29T07:30:21 i'm very stubborn about such things :P 2011-04-29T07:30:35 i do try to relax the stubborness for such things though 2011-04-29T07:30:38 of course, but it is much easier if they make it very clear what they do know without you having to figure it out yourself 2011-04-29T07:30:40 as i know it only hurts me 2011-04-29T07:32:00 when I say that you should sell yourself, what I mean that you should make it blatantly obvious what you know and that you know it well 2011-04-29T07:32:22 make it easy for people to evaluate what you know 2011-04-29T07:32:22 i try to do that with whatevers relevant 2011-04-29T07:32:30 i know some things quite well and a lot of things not very well 2011-04-29T07:32:44 :) 2011-04-29T07:33:01 but i can't really list every maths subject i've taken, excepting first year units i did enough for two majors 2011-04-29T07:33:45 yeah... don't do that... the transcript is there for that if they want it 2011-04-29T07:34:39 i thought i had a bad transcript 2011-04-29T07:34:51 my friend has multiple pages of amendment notes 2011-04-29T07:35:02 amendment notes? 2011-04-29T07:35:13 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-04-29T07:35:20 like permission for overloads, permission to skip pre reqs, scholarships, awards blah blah 2011-04-29T07:35:30 heh 2011-04-29T07:35:54 permission to count honours units or a philosophy unit towards a major :P 2011-04-29T07:36:28 i did more overloads than normal semesters 2011-04-29T07:36:31 mostly it's just the courses you did and how you did in them that will matter if they decide to look at it 2011-04-29T07:36:52 yeah i know, it's just fun having a ridiculous number of notes at the end :P 2011-04-29T07:37:06 :) 2011-04-29T07:37:32 i don't imagine people would care to look at my transcript for units very long either 2011-04-29T07:37:39 it's rather long itself 2011-04-29T07:37:47 and i did units all over the place 2011-04-29T07:38:45 *shrug* some won't care, some will just look for the general trends, others might look at more specific things 2011-04-29T07:39:06 but get someone to review your application 2011-04-29T07:39:45 even if it is just to check that it makes sense, you have no idea how many resumes showed an obvious lack of proof reading when I was doing interviews 2011-04-29T07:41:16 but assuming you get that part right, the review is important to ensure that what you have in your resume is what companies are looking for 2011-04-29T07:47:54 :) yep 2011-04-29T07:47:57 sorry got distracted :P 2011-04-29T07:55:22 *** Naktibalda has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-04-29T08:03:01 *** davidd has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T08:09:50 *** Naktibalda has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T08:33:03 *** FireFly has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T08:40:20 *** Ice_Harley has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-04-29T08:48:58 *** delt0r___ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-04-29T09:07:01 *** sigh_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T09:08:49 *** woudshoo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-04-29T09:09:32 *** sigh has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-04-29T09:26:00 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T09:35:24 *** MuTa-ofd00m has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T09:36:40 Hey I just heard about the AI planet wars challenge, im so sad I missed the opportunity... Are there any "private servers" which I am able to play against other bots at? 2011-04-29T09:41:33 read about ants challenge 2011-04-29T09:42:20 aha there is a 3rd challenge starting, thats brilliant! thanks Naktibalda 2011-04-29T09:57:27 *** delt0r has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T10:05:32 *** needsch has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T10:14:12 *** Chris_0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T10:35:43 *** Chris_0076 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-04-29T10:44:25 *** sigh_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-04-29T10:45:17 *** boegel has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-04-29T11:18:05 morning! 2011-04-29T11:22:48 *** berak has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T11:50:58 *** kaemo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-04-29T11:51:45 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-04-29T11:59:10 *** kaemo has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T12:09:18 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T12:09:21 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-04-29T12:28:23 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T12:50:11 *** mceier has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2011-04-29T13:04:43 *** Eruonen has quit IRC () 2011-04-29T13:08:55 *** Frontier has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-04-29T13:25:39 aichallenge: Alexandru Stan epsilon * r70a5466 / ants/dist/starter_bots/ocaml/Ants.ml : 2011-04-29T13:25:39 aichallenge: Merged pull request #93 from smiley1983/epsilon. 2011-04-29T13:25:39 aichallenge: OCaml: fixed error and added check to food removal code - http://bit.ly/kg99Hv 2011-04-29T13:25:39 aichallenge: Jude Hungerford epsilon * r8c797cb / ants/dist/starter_bots/ocaml/Ants.ml : fixed error and added check to food removal code - http://bit.ly/m2kdCG 2011-04-29T13:42:53 *** Cyndre_ is now known as Cyndre 2011-04-29T13:45:38 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-04-29T15:05:13 *** Naktibalda has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-04-29T15:26:14 *** Cyndre has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-04-29T15:26:29 *** Cyndre has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T15:27:46 *** delt0r___ has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T15:29:28 *** delt0r has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-04-29T15:30:14 *** amstan_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T15:30:14 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan_ 2011-04-29T15:33:22 *** berak has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [SeaMonkey 2.0a3/20090223135443]) 2011-04-29T15:35:45 *** Redgis has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T15:40:36 *** sids_aquarius has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T15:41:15 *** Eruonen has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T15:41:18 *** Eruonen has left #aichallenge 2011-04-29T15:43:45 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2011-04-29T15:55:54 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T16:20:19 "Powerpoint is academic Karaoke." comment of the day 2011-04-29T16:39:59 *** Naktibalda has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T16:51:43 * antimatroid rages at people talking about economics again 2011-04-29T16:58:33 *** Naktibalda has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 4.0/20110419192255]) 2011-04-29T17:00:13 mcstar wonders how to make these funny self-referencing comments which he sees all the time here and other channels 2011-04-29T17:02:04 *** Barontrozo has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T17:03:58 ./me 2011-04-29T17:04:07 less the . 2011-04-29T17:04:20 Barontrozo: hello :) 2011-04-29T17:04:26 shall you guys be back for the new game? 2011-04-29T17:04:33 Hi all 2011-04-29T17:04:44 I don't know 2011-04-29T17:04:48 * mcstar thanks you 2011-04-29T17:04:55 me, yes 2011-04-29T17:05:04 I think taht also protocolocon 2011-04-29T17:05:10 I think that also protocolocon 2011-04-29T17:05:33 but i'm not sure if the rest of them will participate 2011-04-29T17:06:53 We have been on other contest meanwhile 2011-04-29T17:06:55 http://codercharts.com/contest/ipad-2-programming-contest/cleaderboard 2011-04-29T17:07:06 1º protocolocon, me 3º 2011-04-29T17:07:15 you could have come and told me :( 2011-04-29T17:07:36 o the are continous contest on this page 2011-04-29T17:07:39 although i'd probably just go meh if i couldn't use c++ 2011-04-29T17:08:02 you can use several languajes 2011-04-29T17:08:44 ah looks fun :) 2011-04-29T17:08:58 protocolon must be getting excited 2011-04-29T17:08:58 we have also participate on MIT Ai contest, but we began to develop and we where tired very soon .... 2011-04-29T17:09:10 that's java only yeah? 2011-04-29T17:09:16 i refuse to touch java 2011-04-29T17:09:25 have you looked at ants much? 2011-04-29T17:09:29 yes that was one of the reasons of our runout 2011-04-29T17:09:56 I have read the rules, but at this moments i'm really lost 2011-04-29T17:10:53 the most probable is that i'm going to do a dumy bot and see startegies of other people 2011-04-29T17:11:31 http://hypertriangle.com:13080/index.php 2011-04-29T17:11:35 there is a game on that page 2011-04-29T17:11:47 although not with the current parameters 2011-04-29T17:11:50 yes i have seen tis page 2011-04-29T17:11:59 yes i have seen this page 2011-04-29T17:12:13 but I continue very very very lost 2011-04-29T17:12:30 anything particularly confusing? 2011-04-29T17:12:36 i wrote the specs page and the c++ bot 2011-04-29T17:12:43 so i can answer questions on those :P 2011-04-29T17:12:55 there are a lot of fredom, so it's going to be dificult to develop a bot 2011-04-29T17:13:09 freedom is good, people can go to town doing whatever they like 2011-04-29T17:13:18 yeah 2011-04-29T17:13:40 what i mean that i don't know how to began to develop my bot 2011-04-29T17:13:46 I understand the rules 2011-04-29T17:13:47 food collection 2011-04-29T17:13:51 everyone starts there 2011-04-29T17:14:06 then you need to work out how to do battles 2011-04-29T17:14:18 but at this moment I can not imagine what strategy implent 2011-04-29T17:14:29 i have a neat little food collection thing 2011-04-29T17:15:39 first set up a map of locations to when they are available, all ant locations start at 0, then iteratively scan out from non-collected food locations to find locations of available ants, pick the ant that can spawn the food square fastest, update information and keep collecting 2011-04-29T17:16:04 yeah, it seems that the important thing is to distribute uniformely your ants in your midle zone 2011-04-29T17:16:07 you can then decide whether to collect food with just your ants or with enemies, and then work out how to send multiple ants from opposing bots that can arrive at the same time etc. 2011-04-29T17:16:30 but what is the best startegy on frontiers?????????? 2011-04-29T17:16:44 on his site? that's just hunterbot, it sucks :P 2011-04-29T17:17:01 have you got a copy of everything off github? 2011-04-29T17:17:19 I have download it yesterday 2011-04-29T17:17:21 you can play games using play_one_game.sh/bat and use copy_paste.html to view the games 2011-04-29T17:17:34 But I don't manage to get it work 2011-04-29T17:17:45 I'm a Windows user 2011-04-29T17:17:49 you must use python < 3 2011-04-29T17:17:55 and play_one_game.bat should work 2011-04-29T17:18:04 and on windows the python scripts give some problems 2011-04-29T17:18:24 i'm not the best person to ask there, but i think most problems have come from people using python >= 3 2011-04-29T17:18:49 Python 2.5.2 (r252:60911, Feb 21 2008, 13:11:45) [MSC v.1310 32 bit (Intel)] on win32 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. 2011-04-29T17:19:02 i'm using 2.5.2 2011-04-29T17:19:15 I also have a Ubunto 2011-04-29T17:19:19 I also have a Ubuntu 2011-04-29T17:19:47 but on my linux machine I manage to complete a game, but i havent manage to visualize it 2011-04-29T17:20:24 so i was waiting for the first start package 2011-04-29T17:20:47 when you run the game, a 0replay file is created in /viewer, paste its contents into copy_paste.html that's in /visualizer 2011-04-29T17:20:57 the starter packages will make it easier eventually though 2011-04-29T17:21:10 ask sigh sometime about getting it running on windows 2011-04-29T17:21:19 he'd be asleep atm 2011-04-29T17:21:23 (i should be asleep :P) 2011-04-29T17:21:52 don't worry 2011-04-29T17:22:07 i'm on windows too, maybe i can help? 2011-04-29T17:22:19 I'm going to wait to the first start package 2011-04-29T17:22:30 it's a long contest 2011-04-29T17:23:05 you where from australia, no???? 2011-04-29T17:23:23 *** McLeopold has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T17:23:35 yeah, the island at the bottom 2011-04-29T17:23:37 you're in spain? 2011-04-29T17:23:44 yes 2011-04-29T17:24:19 i was on windows, then i switched to ubuntu, it's so much nicer 2011-04-29T17:24:20 here on the school, the teacher always says, taht if we dig a big hole, we will end on australia 2011-04-29T17:24:35 we used to joke about digging through to china 2011-04-29T17:25:00 particularly as you might find old broken china while digging :P 2011-04-29T17:26:34 *** MatmaRex has left #aichallenge 2011-04-29T17:27:28 http://ai-contest.com/visualizer.php?game_id=9132039 2011-04-29T17:27:49 In Spain is near the time to going bed, so there probabally it will be 5-6 A.M. 2011-04-29T17:28:23 *** sids_aquarius has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2011-04-29T17:28:40 why McLeopold???? 2011-04-29T17:28:45 haha 2011-04-29T17:28:51 there is no need to remenber these things 2011-04-29T17:29:05 You had a good bot that beat me 2011-04-29T17:29:10 You can remember that 2011-04-29T17:29:26 you can also paste me some youtube links to Real Madrid lost against Barcelona 2011-04-29T17:29:35 :( 2011-04-29T17:30:03 McLeopold: :P 2011-04-29T17:30:30 Sorry I don't rember that game 2011-04-29T17:30:36 I remeber this one 2011-04-29T17:30:37 http://ai-contest.com/visualizer.php?game_id=9556840 2011-04-29T17:30:42 :) 2011-04-29T17:31:27 http://ai-contest.com/visualizer.php?game_id=9521580 2011-04-29T17:31:30 come back king! 2011-04-29T17:31:31 yeah, going for that 88 was stupid 2011-04-29T17:31:40 otherwise I had you 2011-04-29T17:31:52 my bot had a sever problem of not finishing games 2011-04-29T17:32:56 ohh McLepold I'm looking back my particual figths with you and see this: 2011-04-29T17:33:00 really, did you have a lot of timeouts? or do you mean not finishing off the opponent 2011-04-29T17:33:04 http://ai-contest.com/visualizer.php?game_id=9458149 2011-04-29T17:33:13 http://ai-contest.com/visualizer.php?game_id=9394062 2011-04-29T17:33:24 http://ai-contest.com/visualizer.php?game_id=9274886 2011-04-29T17:33:39 McLeopold: not finishing off the opponent 2011-04-29T17:33:43 i had a few timeouts though 2011-04-29T17:33:51 i'm really quite surprised my bot finished where it did 2011-04-29T17:33:57 the tree was broken and had memory leaks 2011-04-29T17:34:23 My final bot was really just an experiment of my main line that did really well. It was geared toward maps where moving toward the enemy was the best option. 2011-04-29T17:34:24 yes my bot was plenty of faults also 2011-04-29T17:34:44 So any map where you should wait and gather planets in the back, it did poorly 2011-04-29T17:34:58 The first time I sumited it, was in a poor place, but when i began to correct them, it began to get better results 2011-04-29T17:35:18 I think most used some time of ships in X turns to calc the best neutrals to take, I didn't do that. 2011-04-29T17:35:45 Barontrozo: have you looked at the symmetric maps for ants? 2011-04-29T17:35:49 Which means I missed taking high cost growth 5 planets sometimes 2011-04-29T17:35:49 that was my favourite problem so far 2011-04-29T17:36:39 I have seen only the map on the link you have paste 2011-04-29T17:37:05 https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/tree/epsilon/ants/maps 2011-04-29T17:38:26 they're tesselations on a torus :) 2011-04-29T17:39:09 you don't have symmetry of relative starting positions, not possible with more than 3 players, but otherwise it's symmetric 2011-04-29T17:39:31 antimatroid: you ought to paste them to http://ants.zeroviz.us 2011-04-29T17:40:15 mehffort 2011-04-29T17:40:29 I'll work on that for you... 2011-04-29T17:40:44 could that display it more like the actual visualiser :P 2011-04-29T17:40:58 someday 2011-04-29T17:41:16 I want random ants to play games on it as well, I'm working on a js port of the engine 2011-04-29T17:41:21 Barontrozo: you guys don't want to help with the tcp server do you? 2011-04-29T17:41:36 i remember you guys set up a local copy of dhartmei's at work? 2011-04-29T17:44:51 *** amstan_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2011-04-29T17:44:55 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-04-29T17:50:57 *** Redgis has quit IRC (Quit: ... mains libres) 2011-04-29T17:57:21 We can mount a local server, but i think it will be dificult to us to mount a public server 2011-04-29T17:58:22 things are really ugly on our company 2011-04-29T18:00:13 *** sids_aquarius has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T18:06:44 here is now 12pm so i think i'm going to sleep, so tomorrow i can see in detail the first Beta 2011-04-29T18:07:10 good luck for all of you on this constest 2011-04-29T18:07:55 And if we have the posibility to mount a TCP server i will get in contact with one of yours 2011-04-29T18:07:59 bye 2011-04-29T18:10:05 *** Barontrozo has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-04-29T18:13:29 *** Chris_0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T18:15:39 *** Chris_0076 has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-04-29T18:16:38 *** Chris_0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T18:19:44 how do so many people confuse 12am for pm? 2011-04-29T18:19:47 and vice versa 2011-04-29T18:26:08 *** _0x47 <_0x47!~slash@p5B25FAA6.dip.t-dialin.net> has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T18:55:24 *** ahmedhelal has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T19:02:59 *** kaemo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-04-29T19:06:36 *** FireFly has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-04-29T19:07:16 they don't use 24-hour time? 2011-04-29T19:12:29 *** needsch has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-04-29T19:13:44 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T19:17:35 i usually use imaginary time beacuse its easier to integrate my duties and when necessary i Wick-rotate it so that i can have real results 2011-04-29T19:37:33 antimatroid: because 12 > 11. It should be 0pm. 2011-04-29T19:38:04 *** McLeopold has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-04-29T19:42:43 *** Kingpin13 has quit IRC (Quit: money can't buy you love, but it can if you have enough) 2011-04-29T19:50:14 12pm is poorly named, it is not after noon; and 12am is just as equally before noon as it is after noon 2011-04-29T19:50:20 they are both poor names :P 2011-04-29T19:51:30 *** Mathnerd314 has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T19:52:05 unless we define noon as 12:00-ε in which case things will make more sense 2011-04-29T20:23:47 *** Debuggg has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T20:29:08 *** sigh_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T20:29:18 *** sigh has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-04-29T20:38:00 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-04-29T20:49:08 *** sids_aquarius has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-04-29T20:49:42 *** Eruonen has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T20:49:44 *** Eruonen has left #aichallenge 2011-04-29T20:50:39 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T20:51:47 *** antimatroid has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-04-29T20:53:18 *** sigh_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-04-29T20:53:31 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T20:53:46 is somebody still awake? 2011-04-29T20:54:33 is there a better way to use the visualizer than to copy paste the replay file in the textbox? 2011-04-29T20:55:43 for example to give the filename as an argument when i open the html in a browser? 2011-04-29T20:56:46 even though you're using a local html file it isn't allowed to read the contents of files from your computer 2011-04-29T20:57:04 i.e. no I don't think currently there is a better way 2011-04-29T20:57:14 pfff 2011-04-29T20:57:20 kind of disappointing 2011-04-29T20:57:23 there was some talk of a script that would start a small server that your browser would then access 2011-04-29T20:57:33 but I don't know that it was ever done yet 2011-04-29T20:58:26 u know parameters can be specified in an url 2011-04-29T20:58:35 cant i pass that to the browser 2011-04-29T20:58:39 as part of the filename 2011-04-29T20:58:50 ant the scripty thingy would use that variable 2011-04-29T20:59:01 and it wont bother with the textbox 2011-04-29T20:59:10 but start visualizing right away? 2011-04-29T20:59:19 the javascript in the visualizer can't read file content from you computer though 2011-04-29T21:00:15 im thinking of a nice cussing 2011-04-29T21:00:26 like fuck js or something 2011-04-29T21:00:28 that is a restriction to ensure security in the browser 2011-04-29T21:00:58 so this is a general characteristic of js? 2011-04-29T21:01:17 yes, well the browser security really 2011-04-29T21:01:23 not js itself 2011-04-29T21:01:53 can js be run NOT in the browser? 2011-04-29T21:02:03 or that doesnt make much sense 2011-04-29T21:02:12 since the visualiztion is html 5 2011-04-29T21:02:17 right 2011-04-29T21:02:29 javascript itself can of course be run outside of browsers 2011-04-29T21:02:46 yeah but i wont be much use to us :) 2011-04-29T21:02:53 i->it 2011-04-29T21:02:55 but the visualizer needs a browser since it is html+javascript 2011-04-29T21:02:57 yep 2011-04-29T21:03:07 at least not for running a visualizer ;) 2011-04-29T21:04:00 i cant remember what are the methods of passing data to a cgi engine 2011-04-29T21:04:11 stdio 2011-04-29T21:04:12 theres one when u put it in the url 2011-04-29T21:04:15 whats the other? 2011-04-29T21:04:21 oh, get and post requests? 2011-04-29T21:04:29 http request types you mean? 2011-04-29T21:04:43 u mean in pure html 2011-04-29T21:04:48 u can have certain variables 2011-04-29T21:04:59 that u directly get from &var 2011-04-29T21:05:17 but theres another method to initialize those vars 2011-04-29T21:05:20 right? 2011-04-29T21:05:38 it was soo long ago i read about this 2011-04-29T21:05:55 with a get request the variables are embedded in the url yes 2011-04-29T21:06:12 with a post request they are given to the server in the body of the request 2011-04-29T21:06:51 but again, this has nothing to do with our situation 2011-04-29T21:06:55 :) 2011-04-29T21:07:00 yep :) 2011-04-29T21:07:25 its pass 3 oclock here 2011-04-29T21:07:29 i neeed sleep 2011-04-29T21:07:32 good nite 2011-04-29T21:07:41 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-04-29T21:20:50 janzert: was mcstar looking for this: visualizer/visualize_locally.py? 2011-04-29T21:45:08 *** amriedle has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T21:50:30 *** jaycobcoleman has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T22:09:08 *** amstan_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T22:09:08 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan_ 2011-04-29T22:18:08 evening 2011-04-29T22:19:31 amstan_: Me and McLeopold talked about those changes to the python bot before I made them. Although they certainly should still be checked because I'm not the most experienced programmer :P 2011-04-29T22:19:52 bhasker: baby sleeping? 2011-04-29T22:19:57 yup 2011-04-29T22:19:58 :) 2011-04-29T22:20:02 dawww 2011-04-29T22:20:08 *** amstan_ is now known as amstan 2011-04-29T22:20:48 you should show us some pictures :D 2011-04-29T22:26:30 *** sigh_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T22:27:15 i have some up on my fb page 2011-04-29T22:27:30 any of you on fb? 2011-04-29T22:27:41 *** sigh has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-04-29T22:28:00 I have it, but never use it. I would to see some baby pictures though! 2011-04-29T22:32:42 *** antimatroid has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T22:32:47 amstan: How would you like the idea of me writing a python script to run local games? 2011-04-29T22:33:16 It'll give names of all map files and bots for you to choose from 2011-04-29T22:33:29 as well as prompt you for other parameters 2011-04-29T22:33:57 which you can leave blank for a default value or type random for, obviously, random 2011-04-29T22:34:03 within reason of course :P 2011-04-29T22:37:23 add me as a friend on FB 2011-04-29T22:37:27 search for Bhasker Hariharan 2011-04-29T22:38:45 *** Chris_0076 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-04-29T22:42:36 Alright so there are a couple people you could be 2011-04-29T22:42:50 *** amriedle has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) 2011-04-29T22:43:50 https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=649732321 ? 2011-04-29T22:44:22 jaycobcoleman: the idea for the local games is that it's easy to do a ton of them in batch 2011-04-29T22:44:28 so.. concentrate on command line options 2011-04-29T22:44:33 it shouldn't prompt you for anything 2011-04-29T22:45:50 that can't b e him 2011-04-29T22:46:04 Really I'd be making sort of an interactive tutorial 2011-04-29T22:46:25 help people understand what is necessary to run a match 2011-04-29T22:46:43 no wrong one 2011-04-29T22:47:00 https://www.facebook.com/bhaskar.hariharan ? 2011-04-29T22:47:28 bhasker.hariharan 2011-04-29T22:47:32 facebook.com/hbhasker 2011-04-29T22:47:42 perfect 2011-04-29T22:48:59 couple of snaps on my wall 2011-04-29T22:49:07 you maybe able to goto my wife's profile to see a few more 2011-04-29T22:49:13 OH MY GOD SO CUUTEEE!! 2011-04-29T22:49:58 thanks:) 2011-04-29T22:50:23 where's my facebook love? 2011-04-29T22:50:45 haha 2011-04-29T22:50:48 adding you now 2011-04-29T22:51:47 :p 2011-04-29T22:53:15 alright animatroid, let's make it a facebook love triangle 2011-04-29T22:55:26 done 2011-04-29T22:55:30 *** Chris_0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T23:01:34 I haven't changed my profile picture in about a year and a half 2011-04-29T23:01:41 my pants were tighter then :P 2011-04-29T23:02:21 *** chris__0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T23:02:23 spray ons 2011-04-29T23:02:33 haha pretty much 2011-04-29T23:02:35 i had a massive beard up until the new year 2011-04-29T23:03:05 it was months and months worth of untamed growth 2011-04-29T23:03:12 It was a lovely beard :) 2011-04-29T23:04:13 *** Chris_0076 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2011-04-29T23:05:24 amstan: what could I do as far as command line options? there's already a script for that 2011-04-29T23:05:37 jaycobcoleman: so.. there's not much you can do then 2011-04-29T23:05:43 jaycobcoleman: you could write documentation for them 2011-04-29T23:10:40 At least for the sake of learning I'm going to toy with my original idea. I'll add game profiles so that game setups can be easily repeated 2011-04-29T23:13:17 perhaps an option to repeat a profile x number of times 2011-04-29T23:15:55 *** chris__0076 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-04-29T23:19:51 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T23:19:58 huh 2011-04-29T23:20:00 im back 2011-04-29T23:20:05 *** Chris_0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T23:20:34 i wrote a bash script so that the visualizer can be used conveniently 2011-04-29T23:20:42 no copy-paste 2011-04-29T23:21:12 u just have to give it the replay filename 2011-04-29T23:23:19 well 2011-04-29T23:23:24 its 5:22 here 2011-04-29T23:23:29 so i will sleep now 2011-04-29T23:23:50 well have a nice sleep 2011-04-29T23:23:58 ty 2011-04-29T23:24:52 *** Cerealklr has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T23:26:04 *** Chris_0076 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-04-29T23:29:20 *** delt0r has joined #aichallenge 2011-04-29T23:29:39 *** delt0r___ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2011-04-29T23:41:06 *** Debuggg has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-04-29T23:53:18 jaycobcoleman: you still don't seem to be familiar with the unix way 2011-04-29T23:53:30 the idea is that you have all these small tools, that do one thing, but do it well 2011-04-29T23:53:44 so.. make the game engine do the game enginening well 2011-04-29T23:53:50 and leave the UI for the website and for other scripts 2011-04-29T23:54:07 if you want to have "profile", all you have to do is put your line from bash, in a .sh file