2011-05-03T00:08:33 *** McLeopold has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T00:11:36 *** McLeopold has left #aichallenge 2011-05-03T00:47:30 i haz worked out how to define symmetry and find it i think 2011-05-03T00:49:37 you mean so we can tell the engine how to place food for a particular map? 2011-05-03T00:49:58 no, a general definition for a normal form game to be symmetric 2011-05-03T00:50:12 oh, okay 2011-05-03T00:53:26 what is required to make it symmetric? 2011-05-03T00:54:08 you want my current definition? 2011-05-03T00:54:15 first i need to define a couple of things for you 2011-05-03T00:54:17 *** bhasker has quit IRC (Quit: bhasker) 2011-05-03T00:54:30 alright 2011-05-03T00:55:08 if I have each players strategy sets A1, ..., An, a link up of those is a set of (a1,...,an) tuples so that no ai is in any tuple more than once 2011-05-03T00:55:37 so say you have A1={b1,b2} and A2={c1,c2}, a partition might be (b1,c2) and (b2,c1) 2011-05-03T00:56:39 this induces a matrix of permutations p_ij:A_i->A_j, where each p_ii just maps each strategy to itself, and you have p_jk compose p_ij = p_ik for all i,j,k 2011-05-03T00:57:43 then a game where every player has the same number of strategies is symmetric of there exists such a link up of the strategy sets there exists such a p so that for every permutation of the players, say q, you have 2011-05-03T00:58:47 u_i(s1, ..., sn) = u_q(i)(p_q^-1(1),1(s_q^-1(1))....) for all i and (s1,...,sn) :P 2011-05-03T01:02:29 make sense? :P 2011-05-03T01:02:46 sorry, I was making food :P 2011-05-03T01:02:52 I'll have to study this for a second 2011-05-03T01:03:10 i would be very surprised if you can make sense of that :p 2011-05-03T01:09:02 Yeah I'm pretty confused. Haha, nice try though 2011-05-03T01:09:21 that problem has been bugging me for over a year 2011-05-03T01:09:27 and i've been wrestling with it for like a week 2011-05-03T01:09:32 it's nice to work it out 2011-05-03T01:10:54 I don't understand the idea of breaking apart strategy sets, or really defining strategy sets in general 2011-05-03T01:11:44 take a single ant in ants 2011-05-03T01:11:57 it's strategy set on a turn is the set of directions that don't result in them landing in water 2011-05-03T01:11:57 following 2011-05-03T01:12:10 so maybe {N, E, S, W, X} (X == nowhere) 2011-05-03T01:12:17 still following 2011-05-03T01:12:54 if I had the ants game say a.b, the sets would be {X, E} and {W, X} 2011-05-03T01:13:16 my linking to find symmetry would be (X,X) and (E,W) 2011-05-03T01:13:31 following 2011-05-03T01:13:54 then p_ij(X) = X, p_ij(E/W) = W/E 2011-05-03T01:14:17 a permutation of the players might be q(1) = 2 and q(2) = 1 2011-05-03T01:14:32 then plug all that stuff in with assigned utility values and you will find it all holds 2011-05-03T01:15:15 but this definition will work for any n player game where all players have the same number of strategies 2011-05-03T01:15:57 sweet. Breakin new ground 2011-05-03T01:21:03 Planning on going anywhere interesting with this newfound knowledge? 2011-05-03T01:39:03 yeah, keep poking around to see what i find 2011-05-03T01:39:19 i've pretty much decided to do my honours thesis on "some structure properties of games" 2011-05-03T01:45:39 The idea of writing what's equivalent to a small book on any topic is pretty daunting to me 2011-05-03T01:45:54 I'm having enough trouble at the moment writing a 10 page paper 2011-05-03T01:46:34 it's not very hard once you actually play around quite a bit 2011-05-03T01:46:56 it doesn't necessarily need to be one small specific question/topic either 2011-05-03T01:48:23 It's pretty hard when I'm supposed to be writing about joseph conrad's works as being interpreted from a political standpoint :P Not really an English person 2011-05-03T01:55:41 I made the mistake of taking difficult English courses simply because I'm a relatively good writer and because I needed more classes, failing to take into the account the fact that I don't do work that strikes me as particularly boring 2011-05-03T01:56:57 I thought, I have to take an English course...might as well take one I can get college credit for! 2011-05-03T01:57:11 stupid me. Stupid stupid me. 2011-05-03T01:58:43 *** ahmedhelal has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host) 2011-05-03T01:59:08 *** ahmedhelal has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T02:12:25 *** jaycobcoleman has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-05-03T02:12:47 *** JaycobColeman has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T02:13:14 *** JaycobColeman has left #aichallenge 2011-05-03T02:14:12 *** JaycobColeman has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T02:17:14 yeah, i hate doing work if it doesn't interest me 2011-05-03T02:17:18 fortunately i think i'm mostly past that 2011-05-03T02:17:23 at least for uni work 2011-05-03T02:18:06 At the very least I can take comfort in knowing that I can pretty much start college as a sophomore 2011-05-03T02:46:42 *** FireFly has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T03:03:09 *** ltriant has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep) 2011-05-03T03:15:26 *** berak has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T03:21:38 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T03:27:53 *** nann has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-05-03T03:31:41 *** pgpaskar_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-05-03T03:32:08 *** jbroman has quit IRC (Quit: Scotty, beam me up!) 2011-05-03T03:32:14 *** jbroman has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T03:33:10 *** pgpaskar_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T03:56:42 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T03:57:26 *** Meatkat has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T03:57:36 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-05-03T04:00:54 *** woudshoo has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T04:06:28 *** FireFly has quit IRC (Quit: swatted to death) 2011-05-03T04:11:16 hmm, the haskell-platform package is broken in ubuntu natty 2011-05-03T04:12:02 *** Naktibalda has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T04:54:26 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T04:55:07 Well that was a pretty terrible piece of writing I just threw together :/ 2011-05-03T04:55:50 woah...I don't like how that smiley looks. I'm used to plain text...not the emotion I was trying to convey... 2011-05-03T04:58:38 most of the rest of us will just see plain text 2011-05-03T04:58:41 perhaps a backslash? :\ 2011-05-03T04:58:50 nope. same 2011-05-03T04:58:58 plain text is the way to go 2011-05-03T04:59:27 I just downloaded a new IRC client thought and it defaulted to emoticons 2011-05-03T04:59:34 *though 2011-05-03T04:59:42 what client? 2011-05-03T04:59:55 colloquy 2011-05-03T05:00:09 I haven't actually had one prior to now 2011-05-03T05:00:21 just using webchat.freenode 2011-05-03T05:01:55 It's pretty nice not having to do a captcha every time I want to log in though 2011-05-03T05:02:07 haha 2011-05-03T05:02:28 what do you use? 2011-05-03T05:03:50 X-chat Aqua or Limechat, depends on the computer :P 2011-05-03T05:04:09 both OSX clients 2011-05-03T05:05:18 It has a novel theme, which I'm finding quite amusing at the moment. It turns everything into a quotation followed by "said sigh" or "asked JaycobColeman" etc. 2011-05-03T05:05:37 o_O 2011-05-03T05:05:52 * sigh wonders what is says for this 2011-05-03T05:06:05 no quotes 2011-05-03T05:06:08 just what you said 2011-05-03T05:06:12 This is an exclamation! 2011-05-03T05:07:01 [01:05AM] "o_O," said sigh. 2011-05-03T05:07:01 [01:05AM] sigh wonders what is says for this 2011-05-03T05:07:02 [01:06AM] "no quotes," said JaycobColeman. 2011-05-03T05:07:02 [01:06AM] "just what you said," said JaycobColeman. 2011-05-03T05:07:02 [01:06AM] "This is an exclamation!," exclaimed JaycobColeman. 2011-05-03T05:07:07 *** sids_aquarius_ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2011-05-03T05:07:40 quoteception. On my screen anyway :P 2011-05-03T05:08:14 *** jaycobcoleman_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T05:12:57 pidgin <# 2011-05-03T05:12:59 <3* 2011-05-03T05:13:08 you can have msn and irc tabs all in the one window 2011-05-03T05:22:02 RAINBOWLETTERSFORANIMATROID!!!! 2011-05-03T05:22:12 Or not :( 2011-05-03T05:22:29 IRC likes to lie to me 2011-05-03T05:23:07 @rainbow 2011-05-03T05:23:07 sigh: (rainbow ) -- Returns colorized like a rainbow. 2011-05-03T05:23:14 @rainbow foo 2011-05-03T05:23:14 sigh: foo 2011-05-03T05:23:19 @yay 2011-05-03T05:23:20 sigh: I'm sorry Dave, err sigh; I cannot 'yay'. 2011-05-03T05:23:43 I figured there was a contestbot function for it :P 2011-05-03T05:24:08 it was rainbow for me anyway :P 2011-05-03T05:24:29 red, orange, yellow, green, something, blue 2011-05-03T05:24:56 @rainbow murder for a jar of red rum 2011-05-03T05:24:56 antimatroid: murder for a jar of red rum 2011-05-03T05:25:05 my favourite palindrome 2011-05-03T05:26:04 haha, alright so I realized that that theme just didn't show color. Which makes me sad because I was really enjoying it 2011-05-03T05:26:19 but I need ma "colour" 2011-05-03T05:27:50 *** delt0r___ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2011-05-03T05:28:03 *** delt0r___ has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T05:30:48 skittles 2011-05-03T05:31:06 @rainbow taste the rainbow 2011-05-03T05:31:06 JaycobColeman: taste the rainbow 2011-05-03T05:31:11 teehee 2011-05-03T05:31:54 I'm growing to love contestbot 2011-05-03T05:34:35 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-05-03T05:35:39 I gotta get to sleep. I've got one AP test down, 2 to go, a week till I graduate AND try to get our current house up for sale, which means lots of housework, and 2 weeks till a roadtrip through Canada. Too much to do :/ 2011-05-03T05:37:15 well, goodnight everyone 2011-05-03T05:37:20 *** JaycobColeman has quit IRC (Quit: JaycobColeman) 2011-05-03T05:41:50 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T05:57:50 *** boegel has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T06:10:20 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T06:17:56 *** kaemo has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T06:27:14 *** MatmaRex has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T06:27:20 *** MatmaRex has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T06:54:54 *** needsch has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T07:01:25 *** Eruonen has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T07:04:15 *** Meatkat has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2011-05-03T07:04:50 *** Meatkat has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T07:19:59 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-05-03T07:21:29 * mcstar shaved off his 1 month old beard and looks like a civilized man again 2011-05-03T07:22:18 lol, you should have seen my beard at new years 2011-05-03T07:22:24 it was over 6 months of untouched growth 2011-05-03T07:23:11 i hate shaving, i usually wait a month or two until it's getting annoying and shave it off again 2011-05-03T07:23:51 it gets anoying after 2 days for me :) 2011-05-03T07:24:12 * Naktibalda never had a beard 2011-05-03T07:26:29 my skin gets easily irritated 2011-05-03T07:26:54 i tried shaving with electric razor in every day 2011-05-03T07:27:09 but then i forgot it somehow 2011-05-03T07:27:22 and the beard just kept on growing :) 2011-05-03T07:28:17 antimatroid: i beleive you are younger then me 2011-05-03T07:28:20 arent you? 2011-05-03T07:28:28 that would depend, how old are you? :p 2011-05-03T07:28:32 hehe 2011-05-03T07:28:34 25 2011-05-03T07:28:37 22 2011-05-03T07:28:54 its funny how young people look with a beard though 2011-05-03T07:29:11 im the old wizard! i passed 25! 2011-05-03T07:29:38 my friend has his 21st birthday the other week 2011-05-03T07:29:50 he's also in his 5th year of uni 2011-05-03T07:29:57 (i am yet to turn 23 this year) 2011-05-03T07:30:00 had* 2011-05-03T07:30:34 i should have finished already :( 2011-05-03T07:30:41 but im a fuckup 2011-05-03T07:30:59 better late than never 2011-05-03T07:31:08 true 2011-05-03T07:31:27 i had some problems.... 2011-05-03T07:31:34 of ocurs ei dont want to bore you 2011-05-03T07:31:45 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T07:31:52 ive got to go buy bread 2011-05-03T07:32:11 why is into the wild so popular all of a sudden? 2011-05-03T07:32:33 into the wild? 2011-05-03T07:33:37 the movie 2011-05-03T07:33:46 it's the second most seeded somethingerather :P on a website atm 2011-05-03T07:33:51 and i have no idea why 2011-05-03T07:34:04 I haven't heard of it... oh well 2011-05-03T07:36:32 it's an alright movie 2011-05-03T07:36:34 reasonably old though 2011-05-03T07:37:11 2007 is reasonable old now? :P 2011-05-03T07:39:52 yes 2011-05-03T07:40:38 reminds me of this http://xkcd.com/891/ :P 2011-05-03T07:56:19 *** _0x47 <_0x47!~slash@p5B25F8EE.dip.t-dialin.net> has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T07:56:39 hey sigh 2011-05-03T07:56:45 hey 2011-05-03T07:56:52 i had a problem last night 2011-05-03T07:57:03 they said i should ask you 2011-05-03T07:57:11 haha 2011-05-03T07:57:15 it is regarding "end" 2011-05-03T07:57:30 i looked at engine.py 2011-05-03T07:57:34 *** Frontier has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T07:57:43 and at the end of the game the code runs 2011-05-03T07:57:50 which supposed to tell the bots this: 2011-05-03T07:57:52 end 2011-05-03T07:57:54 players 3 2011-05-03T07:57:58 score 4 5 6 2011-05-03T07:58:00 go 2011-05-03T07:58:06 but 2011-05-03T07:58:21 not a single bot can pipe these lines to sderr 2011-05-03T07:58:38 bc they dont receive it 2011-05-03T07:58:55 or are their pipes shut off before they can output it? 2011-05-03T07:58:59 ok, so the bug is that the bots aren't receiving those lines? 2011-05-03T07:59:04 i dont know 2011-05-03T07:59:07 i cant know that 2011-05-03T07:59:16 they cant output it to stderr 2011-05-03T07:59:21 thats for sure 2011-05-03T07:59:36 but i beleive they dont receive it yes 2011-05-03T07:59:39 because 2011-05-03T07:59:53 if a write my bot to end the game if it sees "end" 2011-05-03T08:00:00 then it timeouts in the last round 2011-05-03T08:00:16 but if i check with "turns" then its ok 2011-05-03T08:00:32 so yes porb. they dont get it 2011-05-03T08:00:45 but according to the code you send it to them 2011-05-03T08:01:00 where does it get turns from? 2011-05-03T08:01:11 turn 0 2011-05-03T08:01:23 you send it in the initialization 2011-05-03T08:03:14 so 2011-05-03T08:03:23 i beleive the other bots dont terminate naturally 2011-05-03T08:03:34 oh duh... I pause all the bots unless they are supposed to the running 2011-05-03T08:03:36 hmmm 2011-05-03T08:04:30 so yes... the bots aren't getting them because the engine SIGSTOPs them 2011-05-03T08:04:32 oh 2011-05-03T08:04:40 the question is what to do 2011-05-03T08:04:45 so they dont run to process that 2011-05-03T08:05:07 well the question is 2011-05-03T08:05:09 yeah... 2011-05-03T08:05:22 to you really want to send scores and players 2011-05-03T08:05:26 to->do 2011-05-03T08:05:28 ? 2011-05-03T08:05:59 janzert i beleive told me its pointless 2011-05-03T08:06:05 if this is only an issue for development then we can just have a flag to run in non-strict mode where the bots can run even when we aren't timing them 2011-05-03T08:06:37 the other option is to let the bots run a bit after the game has finished to let them clean up 2011-05-03T08:06:47 yep 2011-05-03T08:06:51 that would be good 2011-05-03T08:07:08 do you really need to send that stuff after "end"? 2011-05-03T08:07:25 dunno, I didn't come up with the specs 2011-05-03T08:07:32 :) 2011-05-03T08:07:36 antimatroid, you know anything about this? 2011-05-03T08:09:40 meh, I'll make an issue and see if people comment on it 2011-05-03T08:10:07 sry for the inconvenience :) 2011-05-03T08:10:21 nah, it's a valid point 2011-05-03T08:10:36 if it wasn't, I would have just ignored it :P 2011-05-03T08:10:45 ok 2011-05-03T08:10:56 im just surprised that nobody noticed it 2011-05-03T08:11:15 i usually dump IO to see if its ok 2011-05-03T08:11:45 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-05-03T08:12:02 depends on what you are logging I guess 2011-05-03T08:12:29 i mean while a block of code becomes permanent 2011-05-03T08:13:38 i dont dump everything 2011-05-03T08:13:56 the image translators arent fast enough to decode the matrix 2011-05-03T08:14:01 you have to look at it encoded 2011-05-03T08:28:38 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T08:38:33 *** Mathnerd314 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-05-03T08:41:04 *** Blkt has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T08:43:28 good day everyone 2011-05-03T08:47:16 *** berak has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-05-03T08:50:08 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2011-05-03T08:53:10 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-05-03T08:56:12 *** Kingpin13 has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T09:27:13 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T09:53:43 *** Meatkat has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-05-03T10:05:17 *** woudshoo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-05-03T10:21:44 *** MuTa-ofd00m has quit IRC (Quit: Bye) 2011-05-03T10:29:05 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2011-05-03T10:34:14 *** bhasker has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T10:37:08 *** FireFly has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T10:44:44 *** MuTa-ofd00m has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T11:09:18 *** tvorryn has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T11:17:43 *** berak has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T11:22:46 *** MatmaRex has left #aichallenge 2011-05-03T11:30:53 *** boegel has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-05-03T11:52:48 what servers will the bots run on in the contest? and will they be able to take advantage of threading/multicore at all? 2011-05-03T11:54:28 threading is forbidden 2011-05-03T11:55:14 that's good to know 2011-05-03T11:56:29 and here I was getting all excited about how to parallelize my algorithms :) 2011-05-03T11:56:52 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T12:00:08 *** Cyndre has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-05-03T12:23:23 and watch out for the turn timelimit 2011-05-03T12:26:12 tvorryn: the servers are most likely going to be amazon (I think ec2?) servers 2011-05-03T12:26:41 you can expect to have at least 1gb of memory, and a processor to yourself while you are picking your moves 2011-05-03T12:27:13 well, i would take a low max of memory to be 500mb to start with, but i expect people to have more like at least 1gb 2011-05-03T12:27:15 *** Blarg has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T12:27:48 mcstar: the c++ bot has a nice timer already set up :P 2011-05-03T12:27:59 cough use my bot damnit cough d; 2011-05-03T12:28:01 he uses java 2011-05-03T12:28:23 ur bit nice, even i can navigate in the code :) 2011-05-03T12:28:27 bit->bot 2011-05-03T12:29:05 i love c++ syntax, i just wish it wasn't so restrictive sometimes 2011-05-03T12:29:25 yes, god thought so, and created lisp 2011-05-03T12:30:31 haha 2011-05-03T12:30:41 *** McLeopold has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T12:30:41 you arent laughing now are you?? 2011-05-03T12:30:55 janzert: ping 2011-05-03T12:31:10 i don't know any lisp :P 2011-05-03T12:31:14 yes? 2011-05-03T12:31:23 antimatroid: i has no syntax 2011-05-03T12:31:26 it 2011-05-03T12:31:28 play_one_game.cmd is broken :( 2011-05-03T12:31:29 McLeopold: I think we should maybe just go with them and get rid of 'r', as much as i like it 2011-05-03T12:31:34 well, close enough 2011-05-03T12:31:40 antimatroid: I agree, sigh convinced me 2011-05-03T12:31:41 McLeopold: in what way? 2011-05-03T12:31:53 WindowsError: [Error 3] The system cannot find the path specified: '/srv/chroot/*.*' 2011-05-03T12:32:38 ok, you must have a server_info.py in the worker but the jailuser chroots are not setup 2011-05-03T12:33:19 I'm thinking true jail users should be off be default, only when you add the correct option to the play_game.py does it use them 2011-05-03T12:33:25 it's a sandbox safety feature that if it finds a server_info module it defaults to secure mode 2011-05-03T12:33:50 if there is no server_info it defaults to not using jails 2011-05-03T12:34:09 I'm in ants running play_one_game, so no server_info? 2011-05-03T12:34:33 but it is still using the sandbox from the worker directory 2011-05-03T12:34:39 ok 2011-05-03T12:35:03 we should add an optional value in server_info to overide the sandbox security 2011-05-03T12:35:11 yeah 2011-05-03T12:35:25 but the default should stay the way it is ;) 2011-05-03T12:36:17 antimatroid: i might use your C++ bot as a base for my final iterations, but right now I'm experimenting using Java (less to think about, memory management etc.) 2011-05-03T12:37:02 tvorryn: the only time I ever need to "delete" memory with a c++ bot is when clearing a game tree 2011-05-03T12:37:13 McLeopold: try changine line 14 of sandbox.py to "_SECURE_DEFAULT = server_info.get("secure_jail", True)" 2011-05-03T12:37:18 i'll take a look 2011-05-03T12:37:19 changing 2011-05-03T12:37:26 :) 2011-05-03T12:41:12 aichallenge: janzert epsilon * r19f5eeb / worker/sandbox.py : Allow sandbox security to be changed by a setting in server_info - http://bit.ly/lAZ4rL 2011-05-03T12:41:14 that should do it 2011-05-03T12:42:10 janzert: thx, I'm still getting issues with the worker running games right now 2011-05-03T12:42:32 run_game is returning None 2011-05-03T12:42:35 you will need to set "secure_jail", False in server_info.py of course 2011-05-03T12:42:46 yeah, I got that, play_one_game now works 2011-05-03T12:43:36 *** Cyndre has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T12:43:48 run_game doesn't have a return 2011-05-03T12:43:56 which means it returns None of course 2011-05-03T12:44:50 no, run_game from the worker.py returns None 2011-05-03T12:45:10 line 388 2011-05-03T12:45:25 when a function exits by "falling of the bottom" python has a default return of None 2011-05-03T12:45:33 that run_game is from engine.py? 2011-05-03T12:45:46 looks like anyway 2011-05-03T12:46:07 and run_game has no explicit return statement 2011-05-03T12:46:47 I think I need to look at the git history then, because it is suppose to return a json result 2011-05-03T12:47:35 yeah, it certainly doesn't anymore 2011-05-03T12:47:44 I bet logging got mixed it with the json stuff at some point 2011-05-03T12:47:53 They are suppose to be separate 2011-05-03T12:49:05 https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/commit/38fda30d254b040c46f7e5e5d602289c99b9b579#worker/engine.py 2011-05-03T12:52:30 *** jmcarthur has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T12:53:08 that commit morphed it into printing instead of returning, then this commit morphed it into saving a json replay file 2011-05-03T12:53:11 https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/commit/5121d421712f74386682b41a5e63680ea64ae5fa#worker/engine.py 2011-05-03T12:53:17 janzert: yeah, that was it 2011-05-03T12:56:19 I don't think I had the engine doing anything to stdout before... 2011-05-03T12:57:13 *** _0x47 <_0x47!~slash@p5B25F8EE.dip.t-dialin.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 262 seconds) 2011-05-03T12:59:01 janzert: why would the engine need to output on stdout? I thought of it more as a module than a command line tool. Any thoughts? 2011-05-03T12:59:04 *** _0x47 <_0x47!~slash@p3EE0BADB.dip.t-dialin.net> has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T12:59:14 * janzert shrugs 2011-05-03T12:59:33 I haven't really looked at it at all 2011-05-03T12:59:59 just enough to figure out where to and the sandbox.release() call ;) 2011-05-03T13:00:08 where to put it even 2011-05-03T13:00:13 play_game is the command line tool for testing, worker.py is what uses it in the tournament, neither is using it in a shell 2011-05-03T13:03:07 antimatroid: any opinion on engine.py needing stdout? 2011-05-03T13:03:16 I guess I can see where run locally it would be nice to output ongoing game information to the console though 2011-05-03T13:03:35 but at least some of that information would be good to get returned to the worker for recording 2011-05-03T13:03:48 e.g. the bot did not start 2011-05-03T13:04:03 McLeopold: doesn't it usually output like "turn x"? 2011-05-03T13:04:19 i don't really know anything about that stuff :P 2011-05-03T13:04:28 yeah, but playgame should be doing the outputting, not engine.py 2011-05-03T13:04:30 some people would probably like it if they could output using cerr 2011-05-03T13:05:04 and I see "print >>" in the python code, wtf, this isn't c++ 2011-05-03T13:05:27 don't look at me, i didn't write it :P 2011-05-03T13:05:36 that is one rather ugly python syntax wart 2011-05-03T13:05:46 yeah, they got << around the wrong way too :P 2011-05-03T13:06:00 it's gone in python 3 ;) 2011-05-03T13:06:08 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2011-05-03T13:06:10 actually the whole print statement 2011-05-03T13:06:53 although I do wish they had "template A& operator<<(A &a, ostream &os)" so you could have like if((a << cin) > 0) 2011-05-03T13:07:00 the print >> syntax is something I have to look up almost everytime I want to use it in order to get it right 2011-05-03T13:07:19 ugh, you and operator overloading 2011-05-03T13:07:23 :p 2011-05-03T13:07:52 janzert: I think python 3 still has print, doesn't it? 2011-05-03T13:08:03 it's a built in function in python 3 2011-05-03T13:08:13 oh, right, you need the () 2011-05-03T13:08:15 so print("message") instead of print "message" 2011-05-03T13:08:22 print("WTF", sys.stderr) 2011-05-03T13:08:26 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T13:08:26 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-05-03T13:08:31 lol, you could totally just define "bool operator<(ostream &os, int n)" :P 2011-05-03T13:08:43 although one may want the input 2011-05-03T13:08:50 ergh, istream :P 2011-05-03T13:08:59 okay, I'm going to move any output to play_game and remove it from engine.py 2011-05-03T13:09:04 *** amstan_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-05-03T13:09:04 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan_ 2011-05-03T13:09:36 @later tell sigh I'm changing output stuff in engine.py, I need to know if it will break anything you are using it for 2011-05-03T13:09:36 McLeopold: Ready to serve. 2011-05-03T13:10:40 amstan_: btw I ran into problems trying to get the worker using natty because haskell is broken on natty :( 2011-05-03T13:10:46 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/haskell-platform/+bug/742052 2011-05-03T13:10:47 janzert: I suppose I could turn run_game into a generator for stream output if you needed real time results 2011-05-03T13:11:00 ick 2011-05-03T13:11:12 you don't like the yield statement? 2011-05-03T13:11:21 I'd rather have run_game just output stuff directly 2011-05-03T13:11:23 janzert: we can use a ppa 2011-05-03T13:11:45 less complicated and doesn't incur the performance overhead of a generator 2011-05-03T13:11:52 well, with a generator, you don't have to play with processes 2011-05-03T13:11:56 it's all python 2011-05-03T13:12:25 but incurs rather large overhead anyway 2011-05-03T13:12:39 not as large as seperate threads and syncing admittedly 2011-05-03T13:13:06