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2011-05-07T01:09:16  <Mathnerd314> amstan_: you can do /msg nickserv ghost <nick>
2011-05-07T01:09:37  <amstan_> Mathnerd314: you can't ghost logged in users
2011-05-07T01:10:00  <Mathnerd314> you can if you're logged into the same account
2011-05-07T01:10:46  <Mathnerd314> e.g. I could ghost myself right now
2011-05-07T01:11:36  <Mathnerd314> and it would disconnect me
2011-05-07T01:14:01  <amstan_> it won't work
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2011-05-07T01:14:37  <amstan_> oh.. nvm
2011-05-07T01:14:40  <amstan_> i guess it does work..
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2011-05-07T01:15:05  <amstan_> oh man.. my client want to come back though
2011-05-07T01:15:09  <amstan_> wants*
2011-05-07T01:16:12  <Mathnerd314> yeah, that's why you only use it on dead clients
2011-05-07T01:16:42  <amstan_> oh.. right..
2011-05-07T01:16:57  <amstan_> idk some other time, i tried ghosting, and it told me that i can't ghost myself
2011-05-07T01:17:43  <Mathnerd314> oh, yeah. you can't ghost the exact same username
2011-05-07T01:18:34  <amstan_> oh.. that's what i did then
2011-05-07T01:18:35  <amstan_> weird
2011-05-07T01:18:37  <amstan_> ok
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2011-05-07T04:13:00  <McLeopold> antimatroid: you around?
2011-05-07T04:13:52  <antimatroid> i am
2011-05-07T04:13:56  <McLeopold> cool
2011-05-07T04:14:51  <McLeopold> do you know if amstan got the test server going?
2011-05-07T04:15:19  <antimatroid> no idea sorry
2011-05-07T04:15:28  <antimatroid> amstan_: ^^?
2011-05-07T04:15:46  <McLeopold> it's 4:15am for him, I doubt he's up
2011-05-07T04:16:00  <antimatroid> hehe fair enough
2011-05-07T04:17:06  <McLeopold> so, what's happening?
2011-05-07T04:17:36  <antimatroid> not sure sorry, i'm flat out with uni work :P
2011-05-07T04:17:48  <McLeopold> ah, ok
2011-05-07T04:17:54  <antimatroid> what have you been doing?
2011-05-07T04:18:05  <antimatroid> if i am needed to do something i can be summoned
2011-05-07T04:18:12  <McLeopold> nah
2011-05-07T04:18:12  <antimatroid> but otherwise i'm doing other stuff :P
2011-05-07T04:18:20  <McLeopold> I got the true skill updating
2011-05-07T04:18:29  <McLeopold> next is the ranking snapshots
2011-05-07T04:18:42  <antimatroid> is that for graphs?
2011-05-07T04:18:45  <McLeopold> but at this point we should have a working server where people can submit entries
2011-05-07T04:18:56  <antimatroid> tasty
2011-05-07T04:19:06  <McLeopold> mainly to get stats on how fast you are moving up or down
2011-05-07T04:19:40  <antimatroid> it would be cool if the server stored information about peoples relative place every x amount of time
2011-05-07T04:19:41  <McLeopold> what will be cool this time around is you can see how a single match effected your rank
2011-05-07T04:19:54  <McLeopold> yes, that's what the rankings table is for
2011-05-07T04:19:59  <antimatroid> so we can have the performance graphs on profile pages that were about for tron
2011-05-07T04:20:02  <antimatroid> :D
2011-05-07T04:20:13  <McLeopold> also, every game will show a before and after mu/sigma
2011-05-07T04:20:21  <antimatroid> cool
2011-05-07T04:20:36  <McLeopold> so, do we only have 1 map gen going?
2011-05-07T04:20:50  <antimatroid> you have a symmetric one yeah?
2011-05-07T04:20:53  <antimatroid> that's 2 symmetric ones
2011-05-07T04:21:01  <antimatroid> i will bust out the extra symmetry type at some point
2011-05-07T04:21:01  <McLeopold> when I finish it, yes
2011-05-07T04:21:12  <McLeopold> gotta get to beta first
2011-05-07T04:21:23  <antimatroid> we should aim to get those two extra ones ready for launch
2011-05-07T04:21:31  <McLeopold> yes, definately
2011-05-07T04:21:54  <McLeopold> can you tweak the current one to give each bot 2 starting spots and still keep your row/col uniqueness?
2011-05-07T04:22:10  <antimatroid> i think so
2011-05-07T04:22:16  <antimatroid> next to each other? or...
2011-05-07T04:22:25  <McLeopold> varied
2011-05-07T04:22:30  <antimatroid> how varied?
2011-05-07T04:22:36  <antimatroid> anywhere else on the map?
2011-05-07T04:22:47  <McLeopold> I want to make sure people see enough variety at the start to prevent them from assuming too much, like last time
2011-05-07T04:22:54  <antimatroid> yep okay
2011-05-07T04:23:20  <McLeopold> okay, one more thing
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2011-05-07T04:23:36  <McLeopold> let's say you had 4 players...
2011-05-07T04:24:05  <McLeopold> if you did a bunch of 2 player matches, like a round robin, that would be 6 games
2011-05-07T04:24:28  <McLeopold> or you could have 6 regions on the map where the 2 start close to each other
2011-05-07T04:24:53  <McLeopold> what do you thing?
2011-05-07T04:24:55  <McLeopold> think
2011-05-07T04:25:04  <antimatroid> tile close matches so it all sort of runs at once?
2011-05-07T04:25:11  <McLeopold> yeah
2011-05-07T04:25:19  <antimatroid> each individual game will need to be quite small
2011-05-07T04:25:27  <McLeopold> if you win a local fight early, you get to help yourself with the others
2011-05-07T04:25:57  <antimatroid> the more variety with maps the better at the start i say
2011-05-07T04:26:02  <McLeopold> yep
2011-05-07T04:26:06  <antimatroid> but i'm not sure about them on first thoughts
2011-05-07T04:26:14  <antimatroid> but yeah, the more the merrier :P
2011-05-07T04:26:23  <McLeopold> well, if you have writers block with your uni stuff, try it out
2011-05-07T04:26:53  <McLeopold> I suppose it would be creating a 2 player small map, and then tiling it for each combination of 2 players
2011-05-07T04:27:39  <antimatroid> yep
2011-05-07T04:27:48  <antimatroid> but you need to make sure the global game is symmetric too
2011-05-07T04:28:02  <antimatroid> which might be a bit trickier
2011-05-07T04:28:07  <McLeopold> I'll let you solve that :p
2011-05-07T04:28:58  <antimatroid> i've been doing a physics class this semester (that was really hard to spell right then) and i'm playing around with it for thesis
2011-05-07T04:29:03  <antimatroid> so i'm all about symmetry this year
2011-05-07T04:29:07  <antimatroid> i wanted to spell it symester :P
2011-05-07T04:29:21  <McLeopold> how is physics and symmetry related?
2011-05-07T04:29:42  <antimatroid> exploiting symmetry makes things easier in some places
2011-05-07T04:29:47  <antimatroid> it's more a pure maths class than anything
2011-05-07T04:29:54  <antimatroid> but technically it's through the physics school
2011-05-07T04:30:49  <McLeopold> have you gone to 11.04 yet?
2011-05-07T04:30:58  <antimatroid> 11.04?
2011-05-07T04:31:02  <McLeopold> ubuntu
2011-05-07T04:31:05  <antimatroid> no
2011-05-07T04:31:12  <antimatroid> i'm lazy :P
2011-05-07T04:31:36  <McLeopold> I just click the "sure, why not" button and everything is working so far
2011-05-07T04:31:45  <McLeopold> I'm still getting used to the desktop
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2011-05-07T04:33:47  <antimatroid> what part of the desktop?
2011-05-07T04:33:50  <antimatroid> i love having 6 desktops
2011-05-07T04:33:55  <antimatroid> i'm tempted to have even more
2011-05-07T04:34:09  <antimatroid> well, workspaces :P
2011-05-07T04:34:17  <McLeopold> my "taskbar" is on the right and it's more like osx
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2011-05-07T04:34:29  <antimatroid> ewww
2011-05-07T04:34:34  <McLeopold> the menu's are at the very top, not with the program, like osx
2011-05-07T04:34:54  <antimatroid> oh wait
2011-05-07T04:34:59  <antimatroid> yah i'm fine with top right
2011-05-07T04:35:06  <antimatroid> i have quick launch stuff next to System
2011-05-07T04:35:16  <antimatroid> and workspace stuff bottom right
2011-05-07T04:35:34  <McLeopold> I've never been into workspaces
2011-05-07T04:35:40  <antimatroid> it's awesome
2011-05-07T04:36:02  <antimatroid> basic internet and pidgin in the first, reddit in another, then the rest are dedicated to ai/work/etc.
2011-05-07T04:39:23  <antimatroid> anyway, i'm off to get dinner supplied :P
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2011-05-07T12:16:40  <_flag> Anyone else here doing the Google CodeJam?
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2011-05-07T12:28:42  <Naktibalda> You are not a resident of Quebec, Italy, Saudi Arabia, or anywhere that the contest is prohibited by law.
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2011-05-07T12:40:50  <mcstar> i surely wont
2011-05-07T12:41:03  <mcstar> you have to code on time
2011-05-07T12:41:12  <mcstar> and i cant do that :)
2011-05-07T12:45:58  <MatmaRex> hey guys
2011-05-07T12:46:25  <MatmaRex> two thinngs - one, can somebody finally pull this? https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/pull/85 you just need to click a button, don't you?
2011-05-07T12:46:55  <MatmaRex> second, is there any ETA for the beta? or will it be available "when it's done"? ;)
2011-05-07T12:47:18  <mcstar> MatmaRex: try using some of the organizer's name
2011-05-07T12:47:29  <mcstar> so they get a notification thaht u want to talk to them
2011-05-07T12:47:57  <MatmaRex> yeah, and everyone will get angry at me that i'm bothering them ;)
2011-05-07T12:48:53  <MatmaRex> i can only see two people who can commit here right now, both AFK for a few hours?
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2011-05-07T14:26:42  <janzert> Mathnerd314: yep, when it's done. Although I think we're getting fairly close to, if not done, at least working end to end
2011-05-07T14:27:19  <Mathnerd314> you meant MatmaRex, but he's gone
2011-05-07T14:27:42  <janzert> oops, sorry yes. paid no attention to my tab completion obviously
2011-05-07T14:28:05  <Mathnerd314> though I will be interested to know there's a beta ;-)
2011-05-07T14:29:08  <janzert> yep, there's definitely a beta coming :)
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2011-05-07T16:16:08  <mcstar> oooooooo
2011-05-07T16:16:13  <mcstar> i changed my mind
2011-05-07T16:16:18  <mcstar> im not going to participate
2011-05-07T16:16:25  <mcstar> take a look at this
2011-05-07T16:16:28  <mcstar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKm2aOd62ZI&feature=related
2011-05-07T16:16:48  <mcstar> its soooo scary
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2011-05-07T16:30:17  <Frontier> it is a guy in a costume with speakers, motors and lights?
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2011-05-07T16:35:02  <mcstar> take a look at this
2011-05-07T16:35:13  <mcstar> first human-robot conflict
2011-05-07T16:35:16  <mcstar> 0:1
2011-05-07T16:35:19  <mcstar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd-WVOQwTYU&feature=related
2011-05-07T16:35:48  <mcstar> its seems its a real robot
2011-05-07T16:36:00  <mcstar> not remote controlled
2011-05-07T16:37:08  <Frontier> I found this more scary back then: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmvCdZJz-As
2011-05-07T16:39:04  <mcstar> ill watch it
2011-05-07T16:39:10  <mcstar> but have you seen the punch?
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2011-05-07T16:39:44  <Frontier> yeah, very nice. I wonder how the guy conrtolling the thing is in real life ^^
2011-05-07T16:40:05  <mcstar> lol
2011-05-07T16:40:18  <mcstar> this robot looks like the japanese female michael jackson
2011-05-07T16:40:18  <Frontier> or maybe it is a woman *g*
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2011-05-07T16:40:31  <Frontier> yeah don't read the comments -.-
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2011-05-07T16:41:07  <mcstar> hehe
2011-05-07T16:41:13  <mcstar> and her mouth
2011-05-07T16:41:20  <mcstar> like she likes to ....
2011-05-07T16:42:01  <Frontier> uh... did we have a niveau in here? :p
2011-05-07T16:42:28  <mcstar> you mean standard?
2011-05-07T16:42:33  <mcstar> ah, nooo
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2011-05-07T16:42:57  <mcstar> two things can scare me regarding robots
2011-05-07T16:43:03  <Frontier> she looks like she has to vomit I think
2011-05-07T16:43:08  <mcstar> one is the big, unstoppable one
2011-05-07T16:43:18  <mcstar> like terminator 1
2011-05-07T16:43:30  <mcstar> in the hydraulic press still reaching for linda hamilton
2011-05-07T16:43:37  <mcstar> and the other is the innocent type
2011-05-07T16:43:40  <mcstar> child ai
2011-05-07T16:43:44  <mcstar> like in AI
2011-05-07T16:44:00  <mcstar> the little bot is absolutely scary
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2011-05-07T16:44:28  <mcstar> bot->boy
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2011-05-07T16:46:24  <Frontier> have you seen Death Machine with Brad Dourif?
2011-05-07T16:46:52  <mcstar> never hearad of it
2011-05-07T16:46:53  <Frontier> Its like terminator, just bigger and badder ^^
2011-05-07T16:47:14  <mcstar> brad dourif? actor?
2011-05-07T16:47:28  <Frontier> yes, he plays mad people mostly.
2011-05-07T16:48:09  <Frontier> the 'snake' in Lord of the Rings, the crazy guy in Myst III Exile
2011-05-07T16:48:35  <Frontier> a mad scientist in Alien 2 and so on :p
2011-05-07T16:48:38  <mcstar> im thinking of where have i seen him
2011-05-07T16:48:49  <mcstar> he looks familiar but not from those
2011-05-07T16:49:53  <Frontier> One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest maybe...
2011-05-07T16:50:16  <mcstar> of course
2011-05-07T16:50:19  <mcstar> alien 4
2011-05-07T16:50:35  <mcstar> the one with the pony tail
2011-05-07T16:50:42  <mcstar> who licks the glass
2011-05-07T16:51:10  <Frontier> oh yeah it was part 4 not 2, you are right
2011-05-07T16:51:28  <mcstar> ill try to find this death machine :)
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2011-05-07T20:09:20  <sigh> antimatroid: did you end up doing the code jam?
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2011-05-07T20:49:14  <_flag> sigh: did you? I only got the first two
2011-05-07T20:50:38  <sigh> _flag: I'm not eligible to compete
2011-05-07T20:51:34  <_flag> sigh: how come?
2011-05-07T20:51:43  <sigh> google employee
2011-05-07T20:51:54  <_flag> Really? What do you work on?
2011-05-07T20:52:26  <sigh> can't really talk about that :P
2011-05-07T20:52:34  <_flag> okay :P
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2011-05-07T22:03:39  <antimatroid> sigh: nah i was playing around with thesis stuff all day :P
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2011-05-07T22:27:09  <sigh> _flag: you didn't solve the candy one?
2011-05-07T22:30:13  <amstan_> contestbot_: nick contestbot
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2011-05-07T22:35:49  <_flag> sigh: no, but in hindsight I probably should have been able to do it
2011-05-07T22:36:27  <sigh> _flag: then you'll kick yourself when you see how short the solution is
2011-05-07T22:36:52  <_flag> _flag: I already saw it and got depressed, thanks :)
2011-05-07T22:36:53  <sigh> oh, they have the solutosup
2011-05-07T22:37:13  <_flag> The people who solved all for in under an hour amaze me
2011-05-07T22:37:20  <_flag> s/for/four
2011-05-07T22:37:46  <_flag> That's how much time I spend reading over the questions and planning the thing :P
2011-05-07T22:38:18  <sigh> yeah, some people are quite fast
2011-05-07T22:38:41  <sigh> but the fast people will be much more experienced
2011-05-07T22:39:43  <_flag> Are there people who do these things regularly? Or do you just mean people who've been writing algorithmns for years?
2011-05-07T22:40:35  <sigh> there are people who do these things regularly... there are lots of places around which have coding problems
2011-05-07T22:41:00  <sigh> when it comes to the harder problems, it's not so much algorithms as it is maths
2011-05-07T22:41:32  <sigh> goro and candy are a good example of that
2011-05-07T22:41:48  <_flag> Yeah, for example I would have no clue how to begin doing goro
2011-05-07T22:42:54  <sigh> yeah, goro was much harder than the other questions
2011-05-07T22:44:05  <sigh> but again, the topics that goro covers, like permutations and probability would have been immediately obvious to people who had done some higher level maths
2011-05-07T22:44:15  <sigh> so for them it would have been just a matter of finding the proof
2011-05-07T22:44:35  <_flag> I haven't, so I'm at a disadvantage there
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2011-05-07T22:45:10  <sigh> practice is the only way to get better :)
2011-05-07T22:46:05  <_flag> Yup :)
2011-05-07T23:03:37  <antimatroid> _flag: are you still at uni?
2011-05-07T23:03:43  <antimatroid> the acm contests deal with problems like these
2011-05-07T23:05:39  <amstan> ugh.. mcleopold's scripts..
2011-05-07T23:06:18  <sigh> is something wrong with them?
2011-05-07T23:06:32  <amstan> yes
2011-05-07T23:06:36  <amstan> they're broken
2011-05-07T23:06:43  <sigh> :(
2011-05-07T23:06:52  <amstan> they're in the wrong place.. and everytihing.. ugh
2011-05-07T23:06:54  <amstan> _mysql_exceptions.IntegrityError: (1062, "Duplicate entry 'TestUser0' for key 'username'")
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2011-05-07T23:09:22  <computerwiz_222> hello all
2011-05-07T23:11:57  <amstan> and he broke the php too on the index.php
2011-05-07T23:11:57  <computerwiz_222> i see that website isn't loading correctly anymore? http://hypertriangle.com:13080/
2011-05-07T23:12:04  <amstan> aka that ^
2011-05-07T23:12:43  <sigh> checkout a older version that works for now?
2011-05-07T23:12:54  <amstan> sigh: that's not the point though..
2011-05-07T23:13:14  <amstan> i really don't like that mcleopold is pushing all this untested code
2011-05-07T23:13:21  <sigh> :(
2011-05-07T23:16:35  <CIA-33> aichallenge: Alexandru Stan epsilon * r387e88c / (7 files in 3 dirs):
2011-05-07T23:16:35  <CIA-33> aichallenge: Fixed a bunch of things, tried to get other stuff working, just fustrated in general
2011-05-07T23:16:35  <CIA-33> aichallenge: * completed server_info.py files SHOULD NOT be in the repository, added it to gitignore
2011-05-07T23:16:35  <CIA-33> aichallenge: * sql should contain only sql files, and integration testing should have stuff like create_test_data.py
2011-05-07T23:16:36  <CIA-33> aichallenge: * changed create_test_data to use the server_info.py file from manager/
2011-05-07T23:16:36  <CIA-33> aichallenge: * mysql is case sensitive, so stuff like USER will give errors if there's only lowercase user table. - http://bit.ly/kOmLVf
2011-05-07T23:16:36  <qacek> is there any documentation yet on the IO for the contest? I wanted to try my hand at writing a haskell starter bot. Should I just look at other bots to get a feel for the spec or is there something better?
2011-05-07T23:16:55  <amstan> qacek: yes, afaik there's a wiki page about it
2011-05-07T23:17:23  <amstan> qacek: but if you can't find it.. you might want to look at the other bots
2011-05-07T23:17:48  <qacek> amstan: thanks I forgot github had wiki
2011-05-07T23:18:00  <amstan> sigh: and that's why i'm fustrated with him..
2011-05-07T23:18:04  <amstan> sigh: that commit
2011-05-07T23:18:12  <sigh> yeah I see
2011-05-07T23:18:15  <sigh> qacek: https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/wiki/Ants-Game-Specification
2011-05-07T23:21:31  <amstan> sigh, janzert: have you guys ever used memcache? it seems like mcleopold made it a requirement for the index.php page, how can i set it up on a dev comp?
2011-05-07T23:22:24  <sigh> I haven't
2011-05-07T23:23:09  <amstan> it seems like all i had to do is aptget it
2011-05-07T23:23:11  <amstan> hopefully
2011-05-07T23:28:26  <CIA-33> aichallenge: Alexandru Stan epsilon * r3d90858 / (4 files): added andrew's website sources back, they were lost in the history before - http://bit.ly/lp8PFT
2011-05-07T23:30:46  <janzert> yes, so far as I know just "apt-get install memcached php5-memcached"
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2011-05-07T23:41:12  <amstan> janzert: would you be able to guide me through setting up a worker?
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2011-05-07T23:47:46  <CIA-33> aichallenge: Alexandru Stan epsilon * r19798c1 / (INSTALL.md README.md): fixed some of the markdown - http://bit.ly/lcW3x2
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