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2011-05-14T00:34:41  <antimatroid> derr that makes sense
2011-05-14T00:35:17  <antimatroid> I always defined a graph as (V, E) where E was a subset of VxV, but that's obviously just a binary relation
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2011-05-14T04:44:46  <CIA-48> aichallenge: Marco Leise epsilon * r6a1e85c / (9 files in 4 dirs): visualizer: display player rannk, changed color theme, fixed java visualizer not beeing resizable, removed framed view mode, added 'center map' button - http://bit.ly/jUHtVL
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2011-05-14T05:10:00  <Frontier> oh I wrote rank with double n
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2011-05-14T08:30:03  <Frontier> Watch the latest stuff: http://marco-leise.homedns.org/antgui/stable/visualizer.php?game_id=2
2011-05-14T08:30:52  <Frontier> zoom in to maximum to get basic attack indicators on mouse over
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2011-05-14T08:36:35  <janzert> is that replay using the current engine?
2011-05-14T08:36:58  <Frontier> no, I realize that it is not correct
2011-05-14T08:37:23  <janzert> ok, I was hoping it wasn't supposed to be :)
2011-05-14T08:37:25  <Frontier> It is an ancient replay I just keep around forever because I'm lazy.
2011-05-14T08:37:48  <Frontier> I keep fixing it up to meet the specs every time there is a change though :p
2011-05-14T08:38:14  <Frontier> Just now the old error in the attack radius shows through badly.
2011-05-14T08:39:06  <Frontier> game_id isn't even 100% json, but seems to have correct behaviour
2011-05-14T08:40:59  <janzert> what do the solid and unfilled stars next to the names mean?
2011-05-14T08:41:07  <janzert> just that there isn't a rank?
2011-05-14T08:42:13  <Frontier> Ok, that didn't work out then ^^
2011-05-14T08:42:17  <janzert> or I guess rather they are 1st and second place
2011-05-14T08:42:32  <Frontier> rank 1 and 2 get stars
2011-05-14T08:42:46  <Frontier> the solid star is rank #1
2011-05-14T08:42:52  <janzert> ahh
2011-05-14T08:43:47  <janzert> also are those ranks from the replay, i.e. at the time of the game or current as of the time the game is viewed?
2011-05-14T08:43:48  <Frontier> The rank in text form takes up a bit of space. So I tried symbols.
2011-05-14T08:44:18  <janzert> that's the other thing I was going to ask what happens when all for ranks are 4 digits?
2011-05-14T08:44:27  <janzert> four ranks even
2011-05-14T08:44:41  <Frontier> 4 digits? time of the game?
2011-05-14T08:45:06  <Frontier> The ranks are determined by the final scores. There is no change over time.
2011-05-14T08:45:09  <janzert> ahh, these aren't the player's leaderboard rank?
2011-05-14T08:45:24  <janzert> that's what was shown in the past with the player name
2011-05-14T08:45:45  <Frontier> you are right, janzert. i ignored that.
2011-05-14T08:47:06  <Frontier> No that we have more than just winner/loser I wonder if we should drop the leaderbord rank in favor of a current game rank.
2011-05-14T08:48:02  <janzert> yeah, I'm not sure. I know generally when I was looking at games of my own with tron the opponents rank was usually more interesting to me than the actual name though
2011-05-14T08:48:27  <janzert> as in yay I beat someone 50 ranks above me or ugh I lost to someone 100 ranks below
2011-05-14T08:49:43  <janzert> maybe the names should move to the bottom of the page and become a list/table
2011-05-14T08:49:58  <janzert> with game rank, score and overall rank
2011-05-14T08:50:16  <janzert> that'll give the room for 9+ player names as well
2011-05-14T08:50:35  <janzert> sort of a scoreboard maybe?
2011-05-14T08:52:11  <Frontier> i see, ok. I would want to keep such a table inside the canvas, so I have it in the Java version as well and don't parse the replay twice.
2011-05-14T08:52:52  <janzert> just an idea too, up to you if it seems to work better or not
2011-05-14T08:52:56  <Frontier> Then the resize code would have to be adapted. In the standalone player the height would include the table, in a website the talbe would be excluded
2011-05-14T08:53:51  <Frontier> The current version is confusing players and I don't want to take the good feeling away that you just beat someone 50 rank point above you ;)
2011-05-14T08:53:58  <janzert> just noticed when zoomed out all the way the mouseover square selection seems messed up for me on the lower third or so of the board
2011-05-14T08:55:05  <Frontier> oh maybe a copy&pase bug, looks like it jumps as soon as you go beyond the map width, instead of map height
2011-05-14T08:55:22  <janzert> ahh, yeah that could be it
2011-05-14T08:56:18  <Frontier> yup, will be fixed in the next commit
2011-05-14T08:57:29  <janzert> nice when they can be fixed that easily
2011-05-14T08:58:19  <Frontier> I mean the mouse position, not the player table Oo
2011-05-14T08:58:43  * janzert nods :)
2011-05-14T08:59:26  <Frontier> Oh wait, I cannot display the player rank easily. This visualizer was meant to work without db connection.
2011-05-14T09:00:37  <janzert> hmm, I wonder if the manager could add them to the replay data when it receives it from the worker
2011-05-14T09:01:39  <janzert> it would still be a static file request for the visualizer that way
2011-05-14T09:02:05  <Frontier> That would work.
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2011-05-14T09:03:20  <Frontier> And then the table could look like this: 1st | playername (1503)
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2011-05-14T09:04:10  <janzert> and could be expanded with other stats later if wanted
2011-05-14T09:04:12  <Frontier> I wonder how the global ranking page will look like
2011-05-14T09:04:42  <janzert> say things like maximum ants alive at once and total ants for that player
2011-05-14T09:06:55  <Frontier> ok, that is something that needs no support from the engine. Let's see how much space there is left on the line. Some players may have long names
2011-05-14T09:07:19  <janzert> yeah, that was a bit of a problem in the past
2011-05-14T09:09:28  <Frontier> now we have variable length names + variable player counts. I was surprised how diffuclt things became in the visualizer. I made the player buttons wrap to the next line when the don't fit. I added letters on the ants for color-blind people, because we have so many more colors now than in planet wars.
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2011-05-14T09:26:29  <Frontier> ah.. it is so nice to see how fluid the visualizer runs on Chrome. I don't think Opera will use their JS engine in the near future.
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2011-05-14T11:34:44  <Frontier> antimatroid1: ping
2011-05-14T11:34:51  <antimatroid1> pong
2011-05-14T11:35:28  <Frontier> I've added some interactivity to the replays when you zoom in to max.
2011-05-14T11:36:09  <antimatroid1> i'll need a link :P
2011-05-14T11:36:10  <Frontier> http://marco-leise.homedns.org/antgui/stable/visualizer.php?game_id=2
2011-05-14T11:36:13  <antimatroid1> cheers :P
2011-05-14T11:37:04  <antimatroid1> very nice :)
2011-05-14T11:37:45  <Frontier> I really like moving the mouse over s*** and get feedback. I will rework the player list though.
2011-05-14T11:38:04  <Frontier> or overhaul or whatever you say in English
2011-05-14T11:38:13  <antimatroid1> how do i undo the getting rid of the border? :p
2011-05-14T11:38:49  <antimatroid1> wait
2011-05-14T11:38:57  <antimatroid1> what's the button with arrows pointing inwards?
2011-05-14T11:40:17  <Frontier> "center map"
2011-05-14T11:40:37  <antimatroid1> ah, that makes sense :P
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2011-05-14T11:41:11  <antimatroid1> what's left before beta?
2011-05-14T11:41:25  <McLeopold> antimatroid1: see the issue list in github
2011-05-14T11:42:13  <McLeopold> Frontier, the visualizer is awesome
2011-05-14T11:43:34  <Frontier> oh hi, good to see you and thank you. I get so many compliments for the visualizer recently, I really hope I can iron out the last usability killers before we start.
2011-05-14T11:44:01  <Frontier> how are the two visualizer issues doing? do player links work for you?
2011-05-14T11:44:34  <antimatroid1> Frontier: there's some weird behaviour from the white square cursor
2011-05-14T11:44:40  <McLeopold> let me check, I need to run some games on hypertriangle first
2011-05-14T11:44:43  <antimatroid1> when the map isn't centered
2011-05-14T11:44:54  <McLeopold> I saw that too, when zoomed in
2011-05-14T11:44:56  <Frontier> and do I have to change things for the food bonus or is it ok to display the last score entry in the list?
2011-05-14T11:45:17  <Frontier> I have two known bugs there.
2011-05-14T11:45:26  <antimatroid1> it's not shifting where it thinks the boundaries are for verticals, ahh ok :)
2011-05-14T11:45:36  <Frontier> Don't worry, I didn't run a lot of tests before I commited
2011-05-14T11:46:55  <Frontier> So this is beta quality at its bes
2011-05-14T11:47:04  <McLeopold> Frontier: if the scores don't make sense, we can try and adjust what the engine outputs
2011-05-14T11:47:54  <Frontier> the engine outputs the scores with food bonus, if I read the source code correctly. that's fine for me - i.e. nothing to do :p
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2011-05-14T11:50:26  <Frontier> in that case, the visualizer should display the last score entry correctly and the issue be closed. otherwise if you have a good idea how to display the food bonus i may implement that.
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2011-05-14T11:54:12  <Frontier> McLeopold: I talked with janzert about the player ranks. If the replay contained the player ranks at the time the game was played, that would be great as we would miss that feature from Planet Wars.
2011-05-14T12:01:22  <McLeopold> Frontier: I read and added it as an issue
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2011-05-14T12:20:32  <mcstar> when is amstan coming?
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2011-05-14T12:38:24  <mcstar> hehe
2011-05-14T12:38:27  <mcstar> that wasnt long
2011-05-14T12:38:32  <mcstar> hey amstan
2011-05-14T12:38:40  <amstan> hi
2011-05-14T12:38:51  <mcstar> do you still suffer from kde?
2011-05-14T12:38:59  <amstan> yeah
2011-05-14T12:39:07  <mcstar> i have a solution
2011-05-14T12:39:18  <mcstar> driver downgrade didnt help
2011-05-14T12:39:44  <mcstar> but just a few minutes ago i figured out the problem is with the window decoration
2011-05-14T12:39:49  <amstan> ic
2011-05-14T12:39:54  <amstan> and?
2011-05-14T12:40:09  <mcstar> i disabled it around my console
2011-05-14T12:40:13  <mcstar> and it works perfectly
2011-05-14T12:40:22  <amstan> yeah, but that's not cool
2011-05-14T12:40:33  <mcstar> actually i only use the titlebar for minimization
2011-05-14T12:40:37  <amstan> i can't change its size and still
2011-05-14T12:40:39  <amstan> stuff*
2011-05-14T12:40:41  <mcstar> right click sends it to the taskbar
2011-05-14T12:40:51  <mcstar> i have meta mouse 1 move
2011-05-14T12:40:56  <mcstar> meta mouse 3 resize
2011-05-14T12:41:01  <mcstar> but
2011-05-14T12:41:11  <mcstar> there are those new kind of decorations
2011-05-14T12:41:23  <mcstar> i forgot what they are called
2011-05-14T12:41:26  <amstan> i'm just using the standard decorations
2011-05-14T12:41:32  <mcstar> theres a meta engine, and you can download themes for it
2011-05-14T12:41:45  <mcstar> and with those decos it works too
2011-05-14T12:42:09  <mcstar> do you know what im talking about?
2011-05-14T12:42:23  <amstan> yeah..
2011-05-14T12:42:27  <amstan> so it works with those
2011-05-14T12:42:31  <mcstar> yes
2011-05-14T12:42:35  <mcstar> any of them
2011-05-14T12:42:48  <mcstar> but with none of the old harcoded ones
2011-05-14T12:43:01  <mcstar> what is this engine called? i forgot
2011-05-14T12:43:16  <amstan> the standard one is just standard
2011-05-14T12:43:32  <amstan> idk if it has a name
2011-05-14T12:43:39  <mcstar> it does
2011-05-14T12:44:17  <Frontier> my father claims to have lost all desktop icons and his opera mails after the kubuntu update
2011-05-14T12:44:44  * amstan doesn't believe in dist updates
2011-05-14T12:44:48  <amstan> everything just breaks in ubuntu
2011-05-14T12:44:53  <mcstar> deKorator
2011-05-14T12:44:56  <mcstar> thats it
2011-05-14T12:45:14  <mcstar> all the themes you can download are scripts for decorator
2011-05-14T12:46:15  <mcstar> amstan: does it work for you?
2011-05-14T12:46:51  <Frontier> In Gnome they changed the way the default browser is configured. Now depending on application it wants to open either Chrome, Opera or FireFox. It is really funny.
2011-05-14T12:47:29  <Frontier> best of all I have only Firefox in the list of options where I want to set Opera
2011-05-14T12:47:42  <mcstar> i strongly beleive this error is purely kde's fault
2011-05-14T12:47:59  <mcstar> my software is not really patched
2011-05-14T12:48:06  <mcstar> arch doesnt modifiy anything
2011-05-14T12:48:19  <Frontier> amstan: btw, how is the ants beta timeline progressing?
2011-05-14T12:48:19  <mcstar> Frontier: gnome 3?
2011-05-14T12:48:35  <Frontier> mcstar: no, gnome 2.9.9.9 or something :p
2011-05-14T12:48:40  <amstan> Frontier: not as good as i would want it, but it's going..
2011-05-14T12:48:46  <Frontier> i have a rolling distro, too: gentoo
2011-05-14T12:49:01  <mcstar> that 3 then :D
2011-05-14T12:49:06  <amstan> there's an error with the worker when it's using sandboxes, it works without the sandbox
2011-05-14T12:49:12  <amstan> and we still need a ranking page
2011-05-14T12:50:14  <Frontier> ah, that gives me an overview, thx
2011-05-14T12:50:28  <amstan> Frontier: oh.. right, since i caught you here
2011-05-14T12:50:49  <amstan> is there a way you can fix the issue with the full screen visualizer?
2011-05-14T12:51:13  <amstan> in my global css for html i have overflow-y: scroll;
2011-05-14T12:51:14  <Frontier> Is there an issue as in github issue, or something you just noticed?
2011-05-14T12:51:24  <amstan> something i noticed
2011-05-14T12:51:33  <amstan> anyway.. overflow-y: scroll; makes it so there's always a scrollbar
2011-05-14T12:51:45  <amstan> so there's no moving between pages
2011-05-14T12:51:56  <Frontier> hmm, maybe you just want to let the visualizer know that fullscreen is a bad option in that case?
2011-05-14T12:52:13  <amstan> the scrollbar will always appear, on all the pages
2011-05-14T12:52:13  <Frontier> what do you want to happen?
2011-05-14T12:52:30  <Frontier> on ALL pages? even visualizer.php?
2011-05-14T12:52:37  <amstan> so when you go from a short page, to a longer page, the content doesn't jump 5 pixels to make room ofr the scrollbar
2011-05-14T12:52:38  <amstan> yes
2011-05-14T12:53:32  <Frontier> I guess I should find that property and override it while in fullscreen mode, right?
2011-05-14T12:53:45  <amstan> you could
2011-05-14T12:54:29  <Frontier> do I have other options?
2011-05-14T12:54:47  <amstan> you could make the visualizer smaller
2011-05-14T12:55:00  <Frontier> it is a fullscreen option :p
2011-05-14T12:55:13  <amstan> yes.. but compensate for the size of the scrollbar
2011-05-14T12:55:24  <Frontier> does that work across browsers?
2011-05-14T12:55:33  <amstan> the overflow-y? yes
2011-05-14T12:56:06  <amstan> i think you're using browser window size, you should be using something like body width
2011-05-14T12:56:11  <Frontier> i mean getting the size of a ascrollbar
2011-05-14T12:56:39  <Frontier> body width... hmm. yeah i settled with window.clientHeight or something
2011-05-14T12:56:57  <amstan> anyway.. i would try overriding it instead
2011-05-14T12:58:15  <Frontier> sure. and... on other pages where you embed the visualizer you may want to disable fullscreen mode.
2011-05-14T12:58:47  <Frontier> since you can save the fullscreen setting as default it would make these pages unusable until the user returns to the small size
2011-05-14T12:58:49  <amstan> why?
2011-05-14T12:59:17  <amstan> well.. maybe ignore the setting on the other pages
2011-05-14T12:59:26  <amstan> don't go to fullscreen by default
2011-05-14T12:59:40  <Frontier> it would be better if I added a constructor option that overrides user settings though :p
2011-05-14T13:00:12  <amstan> in terms of disabling the overflow-y, you could add a class to the html when you're fullscreened
2011-05-14T13:00:16  <Frontier> I don't go to fullscreen by default, but the user may choose to go to fullscreen and then save the setting
2011-05-14T13:00:24  <amstan> yeah.. i know
2011-05-14T13:00:34  <amstan> so.. ignore the setting for autofullscreen on the other pages
2011-05-14T13:01:09  <Frontier> hmmm... checking for a page name somewhere in the code seems ugly.
2011-05-14T13:01:34  <Frontier> I should really get around adding a constructor option :p
2011-05-14T13:01:43  <_flag> were there any major changes to the way the engine does input from say, a month ago until now apart from the 'r' thing? My bot randomly misses food with the newest engine but works perfectly fine with an older one.
2011-05-14T13:01:46  <amstan> yeah, that's what i meant
2011-05-14T13:01:51  <Frontier> then you can set the zoom level to 1 and what-not
2011-05-14T13:02:06  <amstan> _flag: does the python one work?
2011-05-14T13:02:32  <_flag> amstan: the one that's packaged with the new version does, haven'
2011-05-14T13:02:37  <_flag> t tried the old one
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2011-05-14T13:03:05  <amstan> you can do this: https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/commits/epsilon/ants/dist/starter_bots/python/ants.py , https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/commits/epsilon/ants/dist/starter_bots/python/MyBot.py
2011-05-14T13:03:54  <amstan> anyway.. going to eat
2011-05-14T13:06:35  <_flag> Well, it says McLeopold did an i/o update on May 4th
2011-05-14T13:06:38  <_flag> McLeopold: ping
2011-05-14T13:07:59  <Frontier> isn't online
2011-05-14T13:08:11  <_flag> :(
2011-05-14T13:08:32  <Frontier> I can't even run the engine. I'm too stupid.
2011-05-14T13:08:59  <Frontier> It wants to write to /srv/chroot with or without server_info.py
2011-05-14T13:09:10  <_flag> Have you tried running ./play_one_game.sh?
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2011-05-14T13:16:28  <Frontier> sure
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2011-05-14T13:20:33  <Frontier> maybe I could configure it to use the current directory, but I don't need new replay files urgently so I'll look into it later.
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2011-05-14T13:44:34  <McLeopold> _flag: you had a question?
2011-05-14T13:47:31  <_flag> McLeopold: yeah but I found the problem, my starter didn't expect the new "seed" parameter
2011-05-14T13:47:52  <McLeopold> that update was a long time ago :)
2011-05-14T13:52:14  <_flag> Well I was using a fairly old engine
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2011-05-14T16:10:24  <mcstar> McLeopold: thx, stderr is working once again!
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2011-05-14T17:31:28  <McLeopold> janzert: ping
2011-05-14T17:35:25  <janzert> yes?
2011-05-14T17:35:52  <janzert> McLeopold: pong
2011-05-14T17:36:12  <McLeopold> I was thinking about the dir structure of our repo
2011-05-14T17:36:25  <McLeopold> perhaps each game should be a module
2011-05-14T17:36:32  <McLeopold> so I don't have to do this
2011-05-14T17:36:51  <McLeopold> sys.path.append("../ants")
2011-05-14T17:36:51  <McLeopold> from ants import Ants
2011-05-14T17:37:18  <janzert> yeah, I don't much like the cross dependencies between ants and worker
2011-05-14T17:37:33  <McLeopold> I never did either, it was just to get something going
2011-05-14T17:37:55  <janzert> but I'm not sure I'd change it at this point.
2011-05-14T17:38:16  <McLeopold> well, for zeta then
2011-05-14T17:38:47  <janzert> sure :)
2011-05-14T17:39:28  <McLeopold> I think game directories inside the worker may make sense
2011-05-14T17:41:06  <McLeopold> janzert: or both inside the same dir as modules
2011-05-14T17:41:07  <janzert> I think trying to *completely* abstract the server framework from the game is going to far, i.e. it's going to be cleaner and easier for each server setup to be single contest / game specific
2011-05-14T17:41:13  <McLeopold> so every game would be a sibling
2011-05-14T17:41:44  <McLeopold> At some point I thought we'd have a database that could control multiple games at once
2011-05-14T17:42:28  <janzert> yeah, I have mixed thoughts about that is all
2011-05-14T17:42:40  <janzert> from both a code and social perspective
2011-05-14T17:43:11  <McLeopold> From a social perspective, we should only ever have 1 official contest at a time
2011-05-14T17:43:12  <janzert> but I'm not firmly against it either
2011-05-14T17:44:12  <McLeopold> janzert: amstan was saying that acl's would be better than chown on some of the dirs, like uploads and games
2011-05-14T17:46:26  <janzert> what does he want to do with them?
2011-05-14T17:46:57  <janzert> it also means we'll need to be able to mount the partition with them enabled, no idea how easy that is to do with ec2
2011-05-14T17:47:20  <janzert> ACL's give finer control of course but I'm not sure why we need that
2011-05-14T17:48:29  <McLeopold> I'm not familiar with them
2011-05-14T17:49:11  <janzert> yeah, I'm basically familiar with the concept but haven't actually used them "in anger" :)
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2011-05-14T18:05:25  <janzert> thinking about it a bit I'm pretty sure any set of permission combination you want to give to 2 separate users + everone else you can do with regular file permissions or ACLs it is only when you have 3 or more users + everone else that you may be forced to use ACLs
2011-05-14T18:05:58  <janzert> so far as I know we only ever have 2 users involved, the contest user and the web server
2011-05-14T18:07:49  <janzert> the only exception I can think of is restricting root from having access, but I'm pretty sure that requires a special kernel build as well
2011-05-14T18:08:17  <janzert> and that also certainly doesn't apply to us
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2011-05-14T22:07:06  <amstan_> contestbot: seen McLeopold
2011-05-14T22:07:06  <contestbot> amstan_: McLeopold was last seen in #aichallenge 4 hours, 18 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <McLeopold> I'm not familiar with them
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2011-05-14T22:19:20  <McLeopold> amstan_: what's up?
2011-05-14T22:19:32  <amstan_> nm, just wondering what's up
2011-05-14T22:19:46  <McLeopold> I haven't looked at the worker issue yet.
2011-05-14T22:19:52  <McLeopold> I'm getting to that in a few
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