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I'll have to replace them either with ASCII chars like 'S', 'E', 'C', 'T' or icons. 2011-06-03T02:25:11 *** aeter has left #aichallenge 2011-06-03T02:30:08 *** Ice_Harley has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T02:33:24 *** MuTa-ofd00m has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T02:34:19 *** Frontier has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-06-03T02:36:05 *** MuTaLiSk has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-06-03T02:37:32 janzert, are you here? 2011-06-03T02:42:13 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T02:51:32 *** berak has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T02:58:36 *** Frontier has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T03:00:37 Ice_Harley: I'm currently in Windows Vista and the UTF-8 symbols display correctly. Do all your three Windows setups use the same version of Windows? 2011-06-03T03:03:51 or maybe it is just me who installed an open source font at some point 2011-06-03T03:06:49 Frontier, they are all XP, but from different distributives 2011-06-03T03:07:27 Frontier, let me check on other computer. 2011-06-03T03:08:06 Ah that may make sense. XP might just have been released before Microsoft decided to go with open standards. 2011-06-03T03:08:33 what other computer? do you have a Vista or Windows 7 pc around as well? 2011-06-03T03:08:48 *** Palmik has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T03:10:16 *** needsch has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T03:11:03 *** ltriant has quit IRC (Quit: Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/) 2011-06-03T03:11:05 Ice_Harley: As a test, could you do the following on your private Windows computer?: 2011-06-03T03:11:07 Click on "Start->Control Panel->(Date, Time, Language and Regional Options)->Regional and Language Options" 2011-06-03T03:11:12 Frontier, other winXP computer. It works... 2011-06-03T03:11:18 Click on 'Languages' tab (next to 'Regional Options') at the top 2011-06-03T03:11:28 In 'Supplemental language support', see whether "Install files for complex script and right to left languages (including thai)" is kept ticked. 2011-06-03T03:13:22 Frontier, no it's unchecked. I can't check it, it requires windows installation 2011-06-03T03:14:07 Yes, it installs wider Unicode support fonts :) 2011-06-03T03:14:09 Frontier, does anybody except me have this problem? If no, just ignore me :) 2011-06-03T03:16:39 A few people with Windows XP may not have installed full Unicode support. Honestly I should work around that issue and use icons or something. I just don't want to work on the visualizer right now :p 2011-06-03T03:17:34 same problem here, xp, checkbox not ticked by default. 2011-06-03T03:18:36 Frontier, i install those fonts support. I will check after reboot (how you say about windows and linux: reboot and be root) 2011-06-03T03:18:49 lol 2011-06-03T03:19:25 gahh, had to search the install cd for that, and will have to reboot (..later ) 2011-06-03T03:21:40 *** berak has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-06-03T03:22:48 *** Ice_Harley has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-06-03T03:23:12 *** berak has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T03:27:41 *** Frontier has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-06-03T03:28:25 *** Ice_Harley has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T03:29:01 Frontier, it didn't help :( 2011-06-03T03:29:31 same ;( 2011-06-03T03:30:03 *** Frontier has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T03:30:34 *** _smp <_smp!82755de1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.117.93.225> has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T03:30:58 <_smp> hi 2011-06-03T03:31:38 <_smp> what version of mono are you using? in the web it says 1.2.6 but I think it refers to planet wars... 2011-06-03T03:36:26 Frontier, that checkbox is not checked on other computer, where visualizer works 2011-06-03T03:39:05 Ice_Harley: that's ok. there may already be another unicode font installed. but does checking the box help? 2011-06-03T03:39:27 no 2011-06-03T03:39:33 :-( 2011-06-03T03:45:51 *** qacek has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5) 2011-06-03T03:46:07 Frontier, what font do you use for that symbols? 2011-06-03T03:54:23 I cannot tell. I setup the font for the latin letters, but the system uses installed fallback fonts to render symbols not included in for example Arial. 2011-06-03T03:55:05 You can write Chinese with Arial or MS Sans Serif selected, but it will eventually use some other font that is the fallback for Chinese glyphs 2011-06-03T03:55:26 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T03:56:04 I tried to find the font once, but this turned out to be more complicated than I thought. On linux there is some config file somewhere listing typical known fallback fonts. 2011-06-03T03:56:55 I don't know if Windows has something similar or actually goes through all the fonts until it finds a match ^^ 2011-06-03T03:58:32 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T04:07:57 *** needsch has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-06-03T04:10:24 millions of food items :D http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/visualizer.php?game=12230&turn=1900 2011-06-03T04:16:44 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T04:18:47 Frontier, today is your happy day. My bot expired its time: http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/visualizer.php?game=12243:) 2011-06-03T04:18:52 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-06-03T04:20:07 aichallenge: Marco Leise epsilon * r2cf133c / ants/visualizer/build.xml : local.properties was named local.build in a help text - http://bit.ly/mnEYRN 2011-06-03T04:25:01 *** xQuasar has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T04:25:13 Hi guys, is there an ants server online somewhere at the moment? 2011-06-03T04:26:08 let me see if contestbot has a link 2011-06-03T04:26:10 @beta 2011-06-03T04:26:11 Frontier: An error occured while trying to show the previous error. 2011-06-03T04:26:26 xQuasar: http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/ 2011-06-03T04:27:03 you may not get an email activation yet. so dont miss the LINK on the page after registration 2011-06-03T04:27:12 *** Naktibalda has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T04:27:24 *** Frontier has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-06-03T04:27:46 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-06-03T04:29:16 *** Frontier has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T04:41:14 *** Quasar has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T04:41:40 *** Quasar is now known as Guest70220 2011-06-03T04:44:58 *** xQuasar has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-06-03T04:59:43 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2011-06-03T05:15:27 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T05:28:48 *** Kingpin13 has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T05:30:01 *** _smp <_smp!82755de1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.117.93.225> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-06-03T05:39:47 *** mceier has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-06-03T05:42:43 *** Epona has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T06:00:34 *** tomh has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T06:06:17 *** Guest70220 is now known as xQuasar 2011-06-03T06:13:45 *** Epona has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-06-03T06:24:54 *** _0x47 <_0x47!~slash@p5B12FB2C.dip.t-dialin.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-06-03T06:25:13 *** _0x47 <_0x47!~slash@p5B12FB2C.dip.t-dialin.net> has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T06:32:57 *** olexs has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T06:34:13 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T06:48:24 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T06:50:25 *** delt0r___ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-06-03T07:40:32 *** tomh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-06-03T08:06:55 *** Frontier has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2011-06-03T08:08:28 *** yasith_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-06-03T08:15:59 *** Meatkat has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T08:16:23 *** xQuasar has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-06-03T08:19:41 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-06-03T08:20:00 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T08:20:53 *** xQuasar has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T08:25:26 *** xQuasar has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-06-03T08:29:49 *** xQuasar has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T08:32:34 *** olexs has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-06-03T08:39:15 What does "Ilk" stand for? 2011-06-03T08:39:23 In the starter packages - the java one, to be exact 2011-06-03T08:40:45 *** xQuasar has quit IRC () 2011-06-03T08:42:13 *** Eruonen has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T08:52:06 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T08:54:08 *** FireFly has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T09:10:34 *** needsch has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T09:11:33 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T09:42:20 *** yasith has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T10:12:15 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-06-03T11:32:04 *** GreenTea has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T11:32:08 Hi 2011-06-03T11:32:42 I have found strange issue in attack phase.. 2011-06-03T11:32:51 http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/visualizer.php?game=12534 2011-06-03T11:33:30 turn 590 2011-06-03T11:34:29 row 11, col 43, and row 12, col 41 2011-06-03T11:34:52 *** Ice_Harley has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-06-03T11:35:02 2 ants of sir_macelon disappeared 2011-06-03T11:35:21 but no one enemy ant was near.. 2011-06-03T11:37:27 or maybe his ants make wrong moves.. 2011-06-03T11:39:37 *** McLeopold has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T11:40:25 GreenTea: http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/visualizer.php?game=12534&turn=590&row=11&col=43 2011-06-03T11:45:25 *** filter has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2011-06-03T11:45:48 handy.. 2011-06-03T11:49:39 GreenTea - crashed turn 0 bot 1 crashed. 2011-06-03T11:49:46 6 times in a row.. 2011-06-03T11:50:09 yeah, no memory 2011-06-03T11:50:56 what memory limit on java? 2011-06-03T11:51:53 you fixed this error once. and now again.. 2011-06-03T11:51:57 100MB, but the issue on beta is that it is a VM and it doesn't always load more than 1 java bot 2011-06-03T11:52:21 janzert and I tested an ec2 instance and can run all java bots without issue 2011-06-03T11:52:34 ok 2011-06-03T11:52:47 *** GreenTea has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-06-03T12:02:10 *** olexs has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T12:22:38 *** Meatkat_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T12:24:19 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T12:25:38 *** Meatkat has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-06-03T12:33:01 *** Naktibalda has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 4.0.1/20110413222027]) 2011-06-03T12:42:31 *** _0x471 <_0x471!~slash@p57B3FBA5.dip.t-dialin.net> has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T12:43:56 *** _0x47 <_0x47!~slash@p5B12FB2C.dip.t-dialin.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-06-03T12:48:14 *** bhasker has quit IRC (Quit: bhasker) 2011-06-03T12:57:22 *** GreenTea has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T13:00:35 *** Frontier has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T13:05:28 *** berak has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2011-06-03T13:07:22 *** Meatkat__ has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T13:09:08 *** Meatkat_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-06-03T13:10:07 *** Meatkat_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T13:11:34 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T13:11:34 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-06-03T13:12:11 *** Meatkat__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-06-03T13:14:39 contestbot: learn http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/ as beta 2011-06-03T13:14:39 amstan: Ready to serve, my lord. 2011-06-03T13:25:38 *** Eruonen has quit IRC () 2011-06-03T13:28:10 *** GreenTea has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-06-03T13:31:10 *** berak has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T13:41:05 *** olexs1 has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T13:42:47 *** olexs1 has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-06-03T13:43:44 *** olexs has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-06-03T13:49:10 *** locutus_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T13:52:31 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2011-06-03T13:54:27 *** aeter has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T14:00:58 *** aeter has left #aichallenge 2011-06-03T14:05:35 contestbot: later tell McLeopold can you please use the labels? 2011-06-03T14:05:35 amstan: Ready to serve, my lord. 2011-06-03T14:09:10 Hey peeps. So umm, do we have a working C# starter pack yet? 2011-06-03T14:09:14 *** GreenTea has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T14:09:48 it doesn't seem like it 2011-06-03T14:09:55 we had volunteers, but they haven't got too far 2011-06-03T14:09:58 *** bhasker has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T14:10:17 *** Meatkat__ has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T14:10:39 :(. So is uh, python the language everybody is using, right? 2011-06-03T14:10:50 *** Meatkat_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-06-03T14:11:09 coffescript seems to crash sometimes, look at the replays 2011-06-03T14:11:41 Kingpin13: there are so many languages. Java, C++ are used too 2011-06-03T14:12:23 I use D. I'm sure you could port the Java starter over to C# :) 2011-06-03T14:14:10 my comment for the day is pffff. 2011-06-03T14:14:35 mcstar: hmm? why? 2011-06-03T14:15:00 hmm, InsaneMalkavian submitted his last update 3 days ago, but still there's this ' (>")> ' line in the rankings 2011-06-03T14:15:12 reaction to Kingpin13's comment 2011-06-03T14:16:09 amstan: i dont recommend that you try setting the proc variables i discussed yesterday 2011-06-03T14:16:18 mcstar: yeah, i got that 2011-06-03T14:16:26 though, related to that 2011-06-03T14:16:37 we're having issues running java and lisp things on that server 2011-06-03T14:16:56 i experimented with it, and it is working, but you have to have a high ratio, and it might just defeat the pupose of it all 2011-06-03T14:17:11 since the server only has 1GB of ram, and another 1GB of fake ram(that might be taken at any time) 2011-06-03T14:17:14 yeah, sbcl needs 8GB overcommit 2011-06-03T14:18:08 you can invoke sbcl with --dynamic-space-size nMB 2011-06-03T14:18:24 nMB is a number 2011-06-03T14:18:41 have you tried runnig the cl starter on the beta server? 2011-06-03T14:19:01 is it 32 or 64 bit? 2011-06-03T14:19:06 cause that matters to 2011-06-03T14:19:08 o 2011-06-03T14:21:41 64 2011-06-03T14:22:26 *** GreenTea has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-06-03T14:23:25 then sbcl tries 8gb 2011-06-03T14:23:37 on 32bit its obviously less 2011-06-03T14:24:00 so i guess theres no active cl bot uploded 2011-06-03T14:24:24 i might upload mine then 2011-06-03T14:24:33 i just dont know how yet 2011-06-03T14:25:26 and amstan, only You with shell access can view the uploaded source code right? 2011-06-03T14:26:05 anyone with shell access to the servers(manager+worker) 2011-06-03T14:26:14 i wouldn't consider the beta server to be secure 2011-06-03T14:26:15 you as in You not just you 2011-06-03T14:26:23 Hi, sorry to be a pain - what would I use to test bots on my own machine? Like the visualizer PlayGame.jar we had last year? Or do we not have anything like that? 2011-06-03T14:26:26 there's more ppl than just me 2011-06-03T14:26:41 and we didn't bother too much with the api keys 2011-06-03T14:26:44 so that's also insecure 2011-06-03T14:26:50 amstan: I've got replay error: http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/visualizer.php?game=12641a 2011-06-03T14:26:57 again, i wouldn't upload secret stuff to the beta server 2011-06-03T14:27:09 ok 2011-06-03T14:27:13 UncleVasya: why is there an a at the end? 2011-06-03T14:27:58 sorry, random move of finger near keyboard 2011-06-03T14:28:53 Kingpin13: you need to download whole Ants sourcefrom github. Link is in the topic. 2011-06-03T14:28:57 to UncleVasya's fingers: try obeying your master, fingers! 2011-06-03T14:29:04 Hmm, okay, I'm reading through some stuff now. 2011-06-03T14:29:43 Kingpin13: are you under Linux? 2011-06-03T14:30:10 Yeah, the stuff at the git always seems outdated though. No, Windows, trying to work with C#, but I do have mono 2011-06-03T14:30:43 Kingpin13: Under windows you have 2 ways to test your bot: 2011-06-03T14:30:53 no.. hold on 2011-06-03T14:30:56 no need for all that 2011-06-03T14:31:04 I'm just downloading the "tools" now 2011-06-03T14:31:21 Kingpin13: this should mostly work: http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/using_the_tools.php 2011-06-03T14:31:41 http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/visualizer.php?game=12641&debug=true 2011-06-03T14:31:41 amstan, yeah, that's where I'm at :) 2011-06-03T14:31:44 morning 2011-06-03T14:31:54 1. edit and launch play_one_game.cmd in \ants directory. 2011-06-03T14:33:03 *** Frontier has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-06-03T14:33:42 amstan: you mean label the github issues? 2011-06-03T14:33:47 yes 2011-06-03T14:34:37 McLeopold: very nice replay 2011-06-03T14:35:14 amstan: can you or someone from the team kind a "certify" my utility for testing? Currently it's v0.2 and provide only nice gui for choosing play_one_game preferences. 2011-06-03T14:36:03 UncleVasya, are the sample bots broken? I just get status crashed crashed crashed crashed on the first turn :| 2011-06-03T14:36:06 amstan: I'm asking because people here awere awared that it can be a virus (it's a windows-program written in Delphi). 2011-06-03T14:36:13 UncleVasya: are you worried you didn't understand all the playgame options? 2011-06-03T14:36:28 McLeopold: maybe a timed out/crashed bot should not have to be disqualified, if it succeeds to dominate the map lol 2011-06-03T14:36:49 UncleVasya: do you have the source? 2011-06-03T14:37:15 Yes, I can give it to anyone. (Delphi 2010 project) 2011-06-03T14:37:22 mcstar: 2011-06-02T23:16:59 you can timeout, but still win! http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/visualizer.php?game=12047 2011-06-03T14:37:49 UncleVasya: k, hold on, let me make the forums for ants, then you can post in there 2011-06-03T14:38:13 amstan: thanks 2011-06-03T14:38:32 McLeopold: i thought those bots get automatically disqualified 2011-06-03T14:39:04 nope 2011-06-03T14:39:09 It's all about the score 2011-06-03T14:39:09 tbh i dont like the idea, its good for joking, but this aint right 2011-06-03T14:39:26 McLeopold: can't understand what you are asking about. 2011-06-03T14:40:02 UncleVasya: I was asking if you wanted us the verify the correctness of the interface. 2011-06-03T14:40:34 UncleVasya: i dont want to discourage you, but whats the point? you cant possibly be more flexible with a custom gui then with bash 2011-06-03T14:40:53 (and faster) 2011-06-03T14:41:01 mcstar: as long as he stays current with the playgame.py, it is useful 2011-06-03T14:41:10 Some people just want to click things 2011-06-03T14:41:21 McLeopold: Maybe I will need it later when utility became more complex. 2011-06-03T14:41:26 whatever :) 2011-06-03T14:41:50 Plus, a cache of common settings would be nice, which I don't plan on putting in playgame.py 2011-06-03T14:42:09 Plus, playgame doesn't manage bots for you. 2011-06-03T14:42:22 yes, click things it's a right describe. I was very pleasured with Galcon Testing Arena for Planet Wars and decided to do something like this for ants. 2011-06-03T14:42:42 And gui with nice pictures :) 2011-06-03T14:42:55 I used delt0r_'s tool 2011-06-03T14:43:13 *** Meatkat__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-06-03T14:43:20 UncleVasya: what's your native language? 2011-06-03T14:44:02 may I suggest: I was very *pleased* with Galcon Testing Arena 2011-06-03T14:44:34 lol 2011-06-03T14:44:41 mother tongue 2011-06-03T14:44:46 Russian but do not think that all russians are bad with studying. It's just me. 2011-06-03T14:44:54 :) 2011-06-03T14:45:26 your english is much better than many other russions i've talked to, trust me 2011-06-03T14:45:40 UncleVasya: make sure you talk to people in english enough, and you will get better soon :) 2011-06-03T14:46:09 McLeopold: if you have time to fix my errors it would be greate. Maybe I shall learn some grammatic rules from it. I'm too lazy to learn it from books :( 2011-06-03T14:47:25 what are you guys using to explore the map, is it just a directional random walk? 2011-06-03T14:47:33 or are you guys really guiding the ants around? 2011-06-03T14:48:51 *** delt0r___ has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T14:48:58 yes 2011-06-03T14:50:02 i'm trying to do it the other way round, let the smell of food/opponents propagate over the map, some 'potential' idea 2011-06-03T14:50:30 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-06-03T14:50:45 UncleVasya: here: http://ai-contest.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=25 2011-06-03T14:50:59 (oh, exploring, ignore me) 2011-06-03T14:51:54 UncleVasya: if you are really determined to make a gui launcher, why dont you choose a dynamic language? 2011-06-03T14:52:07 for example python, which is i think more popular than delphi 2011-06-03T14:52:25 and has an ubiquitious interpreter 2011-06-03T14:52:28 ah potential, i tried it didn't work very well, 2011-06-03T14:52:36 ants were oscillating too much 2011-06-03T14:52:38 What version of mono will the official server be running? 2011-06-03T14:52:44 or would get stuck in a local maxima/minima 2011-06-03T14:52:53 Delphi is the only thing I am familiar enough to make staff like that. 2011-06-03T14:53:02 *** McLeopold has left #aichallenge 2011-06-03T14:53:11 FreePascal :) 2011-06-03T14:53:16 sure 2011-06-03T14:53:24 bhasker, yea, you need a pretty, steep fallof there 2011-06-03T14:53:27 why not turboc 2011-06-03T14:53:42 actually thats a bad example :) 2011-06-03T14:53:44 Delphi brings fond memories back!.. used it back in 90's when it was hot 2011-06-03T14:53:58 still like it better than Visual Basic or .net crap for writing UI 2011-06-03T14:54:04 Visual Basic was the worst of the lot 2011-06-03T14:54:39 UncleVasya: i only asked because then more people could contribute 2011-06-03T14:54:52 and for example if i wanted to change it i could 2011-06-03T14:55:36 Kingpin13: same version that it uses now i think 2011-06-03T14:55:36 and im not sure how safe is to distribute it among windows computers 2011-06-03T14:55:47 3.5 or something, idk, whatever comes with ubuntu natty 2011-06-03T14:56:12 Well the beta server says it's running 1.2.6 2011-06-03T14:56:17 people on irc: http://pastebin.com/xFtrSczU 2011-06-03T14:56:22 is that a good idea to post on the forums? 2011-06-03T14:56:27 we'll get a ton of new ppl 2011-06-03T14:56:28 safe as in: does it matter where did you compile it? you know different versions of shared libraries, and such 2011-06-03T14:56:31 on the beta server 2011-06-03T14:56:42 *** Meatkat__ has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T14:57:24 jelp us not use 2011-06-03T14:57:27 h 2011-06-03T15:00:22 *** filter has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T15:02:59 amstan: why dont you include a notice in irc welcome msg? 2011-06-03T15:03:14 mcstar: how do i set those again? 2011-06-03T15:03:16 contestbot: welcome 2011-06-03T15:03:17 We need beta tester asap, you lazy sons of b*s 2011-06-03T15:03:17 amstan: User error -- Replace user. 2011-06-03T15:03:58 contestbot: topic remove 4 2011-06-03T15:03:58 *** contestbot changes topic to "Official Google AI Challenge: http://ai-contest.com/ || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.hypertriangle.com/ || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge" 2011-06-03T15:04:04 mcstar: maybe Lazarus will work for me because it's similar enough with Delphi but still I'll need time to learn it's usage, time toport project. In this case AntsTesting became a little exhausting project while now it's a rest from thinking about Ants. 2011-06-03T15:04:30 "/msg chanserv topic aichallange thetopic 2011-06-03T15:04:32 contestbot: topic add Beta testers needed: http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/ 2011-06-03T15:04:32 *** contestbot changes topic to "Official Google AI Challenge: http://ai-contest.com/ || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.hypertriangle.com/ || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge || Beta testers needed: http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/ (amstan)" 2011-06-03T15:04:43 mcstar: that's a topic 2011-06-03T15:04:50 the welcome message is another thing 2011-06-03T15:04:54 ok 2011-06-03T15:04:59 mcstar: If I'll do smething similar next contest I'll keep in mind your words. 2011-06-03T15:05:18 i mean the topic on the top side 2011-06-03T15:05:21 meant 2011-06-03T15:09:37 UncleVasya: im in no way a professional, but i do know that python is installed by default on osx and most of the linux distros, and its easy to install it on windows, plus you get immediately portability 2011-06-03T15:09:51 so i recommend that you soon learn python 2011-06-03T15:10:23 alright i shut my mouth for a while 2011-06-03T15:11:18 mcstar: I wrote console tic-tac-toe [3*3] on Python :) 2011-06-03T15:12:02 UncleVasya: http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pyqt4/ 2011-06-03T15:12:06 if you want gui 2011-06-03T15:12:44 UncleVasya: get greghaynes onboard, he likes doing that stuff 2011-06-03T15:13:30 oh.. right, someone should make an automated submission upload 2011-06-03T15:13:33 that would be nice to include 2011-06-03T15:15:06 *** aeter has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T15:18:51 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T15:20:02 if i write a proper wrapper for playgame.py in bash i will share that 2011-06-03T15:20:48 why do you need wrappers for it? 2011-06-03T15:21:03 just change playgame.py so it had nice opts 2011-06-03T15:21:16 *** |UncleVasya| <|UncleVasya|!kvirc@178-133-174-6.dialup.umc.net.ua> has joined #aichallenge 2011-06-03T15:21:20 or maybe that 2011-06-03T15:21:35 i just would like to improve my bash skills 2011-06-03T15:21:46 i only wrote a ssh tunnel manager in bash 2011-06-03T15:21:49 so far 2011-06-03T15:22:05 you sound like computerwiz_222 2011-06-03T15:22:08 (except from trivial scripts) 2011-06-03T15:22:35 i wouldn't write complex things in it 2011-06-03T15:22:40 maybe youz should elaborate a bit, im not sure what quality of my talk you refer to 2011-06-03T15:22:40 bash is not for that 2011-06-03T15:23:14 the "bash skills" part 2011-06-03T15:23:26 he made a bitcoin miner manager/installer using only bash 2011-06-03T15:23:40 actually, nvm, he used php as well 2011-06-03T15:23:52 it was a client server model, his clients were all bash 2011-06-03T15:23:56 reporting to the server using wget 2011-06-03T15:24:28 well, if it wasnt exremely slow i say go for it 2011-06-03T15:24:50 bash is not a curiosity language 2011-06-03T15:25:03 and got the whole gnu tools in its disposal 2011-06-03T15:25:04 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-06-03T15:25:22 i feel sketchy when using it for complex things 2011-06-03T15:25:39 it just gets more hackish as i add to it 2011-06-03T15:25:54 i think people dont use it because they dont understand it 2011-06-03T15:26:12 i dont mean that i do know it that well 2011-06-03T15:26:34 it's just not designed for complex programs 2011-06-03T15:26:39 it's a pain to maintain 2011-06-03T15:27:38 i read about powershell 2011-06-03T15:28:21 i dont really know why did i say that 2011-06-03T15:28:33 maybe cause its capable of more complex things 2011-06-03T15:28:44 yes, powershell tried to make it a better language for complex programs 2011-06-03T15:28:48 it is not based on the pipes from the unix world 2011-06-03T15:29:02 but the more you go toward that, the less good it becomes for general shell use 2011-06-03T15:29:10 the data thats passed from to programs can have structure 2011-06-03T15:29:14 *** aeter has left #aichallenge 2011-06-03T15:29:27 you want people to be efficient at using the shell, they shouldn't have to worry about long function names and syntax too much 2011-06-03T15:29:40 oh yes, that was terrible 2011-06-03T15:29:46 the syntax and the style sucks 2011-06-03T15:30:08 but the model might be a good step forward regarding shells 2011-06-03T15:32:21 bash is also more of a tradition 2011-06-03T15:34:27 ? 2011-06-03T15:34:46 i mean there arent really any alternatives to it on linux are there? 2011-06-03T15:35:25 all the shells are built around a primitive namespace/variable model, with pipes and redirection 2011-06-03T15:35:55 technically you could use python as a shell 2011-06-03T15:36:02 but it's not pretty 2011-06-03T15:36:05 same problem as power shell 2011-06-03T15:36:27 lets say technically you could write a pretty pretty shell in python 2011-06-03T15:36:38 not a bad idea 2011-06-03T15:36:53 i just dont feel motivated 2011-06-03T15:36:54 the syntax doesn't allow you 2011-06-03T15:37:00 why? 2011-06-03T15:37:01 you can't write unquoted strings 2011-06-03T15:37:12 so.. "cd somerandomfolder" won't work 2011-06-03T15:37:21 you might get away with the cd part(as print does in python) 2011-06-03T15:37:30 but any arguments will have to be quoted 2011-06-03T15:37:35 and comma separated or something 2011-06-03T15:38:12 ??? 2011-06-03T15:38:19 sorry i doubt it 2011-06-03T15:38:34 its quite easy to write a parser 2011-06-03T15:38:45 oh... you mean that.. 2011-06-03T15:38:46 i guess 2011-06-03T15:39:03 no.. i meant of using python directly as a shell, maybe with some libraries to make it easier 2011-06-03T15:40:22 the shell's most basic function is to launch other programs 2011-06-03T15:40:32 hmm, you can add another affiliation from the sign-in page, but not from your profile 2011-06-03T15:40:41 so yeah, it wont be pretty in python 2011-06-03T15:40:57 but a simple parser would add some syntactic sugar 2011-06-03T15:42:15 amstan: are you sure that you cant handle name errors or whatever erro it spits when it encounters a foreign name? 2011-06-03T15:42:44 you could, but that's ugly 2011-06-03T15:43:31 actually theres another shell 2011-06-03T15:43:35 its written in lisp 2011-06-03T15:43:44