2011-07-08T00:14:59 *** computerwiz_222 has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-07-08T00:39:34 *** ArchMonkey has quit IRC (Quit: ArchMonkey) 2011-07-08T01:07:51 *** pcavs has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-07-08T01:08:05 *** filter has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T01:09:09 *** filter_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-07-08T01:36:36 <_flag> My newest bot has been compiling for several hours now, and the server is still playing games with the old one 2011-07-08T01:36:47 <_flag> Anyone want to look into this? 2011-07-08T01:55:33 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-07-08T02:02:44 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T02:03:35 *** Chris_0076 has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-07-08T02:05:32 *** Chris_0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T02:19:42 *** VilleH has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T03:19:10 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) 2011-07-08T03:19:42 *** gobang has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-07-08T03:24:45 *** ltriant has quit IRC (Quit: Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/) 2011-07-08T03:27:31 *** gobang has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T03:28:53 *** gobang has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-07-08T03:38:09 *** Palmik has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T04:14:22 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T04:16:53 *** Naktibalda has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T04:25:15 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T04:43:19 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T05:01:12 *** zaphus has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T05:26:24 *** _0x47 <_0x47!~slash@p5B12F708.dip.t-dialin.net> has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T05:49:35 @rankings 2011-07-08T05:49:46 mcstar: Error: There was a problem accessing the interface to ai-contest.com 2011-07-08T05:52:18 *** onensora has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T06:02:58 *** FireFly has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T06:25:53 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2011-07-08T06:35:31 *** ibdknox has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-07-08T07:02:42 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-07-08T07:09:56 *** VilleH has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-07-08T07:15:44 *** GeorgeSebastian has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T07:15:44 *** GeorgeSebastian has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T07:39:52 *** olexs has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T07:41:45 *** olexs has left #aichallenge 2011-07-08T07:48:59 http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/ijc5y/what_is_onedimensional/c247w4i 2011-07-08T07:49:07 not sure if that'll help in the end aha 2011-07-08T07:49:12 it's hard to explain what dimensions are 2011-07-08T07:52:19 *** Palmik has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-07-08T07:59:11 *** Palmik has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T08:01:52 *** foRei has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T08:02:20 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T08:03:57 *** sir_macelon has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T08:04:05 hi 2011-07-08T08:04:20 hey 2011-07-08T08:04:27 seems again workers are down and beta is not playing any games for 5 hours now... 2011-07-08T08:05:38 :( 2011-07-08T08:06:51 and I don't see any progress over any of the 5 issues for the launch milestone... 2011-07-08T08:06:51 im gonna kill myself... 2011-07-08T08:07:34 i have more pressing problems 2011-07-08T08:07:53 my linux just hang for the second time in 2 weeks 2011-07-08T08:09:19 wait a minute, hang hung hung? 2011-07-08T08:09:26 yes 2011-07-08T08:09:34 just hung, right antimatroid M 2011-07-08T08:09:36 ? 2011-07-08T08:09:42 what did it do? 2011-07-08T08:09:46 just freeze up? 2011-07-08T08:09:50 yep 2011-07-08T08:09:54 mine does that if i am using too much memory 2011-07-08T08:10:06 i have to be careful to close my browser windows every few days, it sucks 2011-07-08T08:10:14 that and paint are my only complaints about linux 2011-07-08T08:10:27 no, if that was the case, it would start swapping, which is noisy, and its not unresponsive when it does that 2011-07-08T08:10:37 what browser do you use 2011-07-08T08:10:43 it just freeze 2011-07-08T08:10:48 when i was compiling 2011-07-08T08:11:18 rabidus: it cannot be the browsers fault, and i usually have 3 gb free ram 2011-07-08T08:11:31 mcstar: does it run xscreensaver? and does it pass memtest? 2011-07-08T08:11:48 xscreensaver is the most reliable way to crash linux I've found 2011-07-08T08:12:02 the other one being the use of dodgy hardware 2011-07-08T08:12:39 smiley1983: my first guess i faulty memory, ill check with memtest 2011-07-08T08:12:48 but it can be a kernel/cpu problem too 2011-07-08T08:12:56 xscreensaver never crashed my box 2011-07-08T08:12:59 or then: something else 2011-07-08T08:13:46 hell, im not sure i have memtest as an option 2011-07-08T08:13:55 i use grub2 with gpt 2011-07-08T08:14:04 and i didnt configure it to have memtest 2011-07-08T08:14:10 ubuntu install discs have the option built in 2011-07-08T08:14:17 if you have one of those lying around 2011-07-08T08:14:24 i dont use optical drives :) 2011-07-08T08:14:32 they can be transferred to USB 2011-07-08T08:14:44 but i might have a pendrive lying around 2011-07-08T08:15:05 though because Ubuntu is silly, it needs special software to do the transfer (unlike the superior Arch isos) 2011-07-08T08:15:15 oh, my 4gb pendrive actually has win7 installer on it 2011-07-08T08:15:35 smiley1983: youre an archer too? 2011-07-08T08:15:42 yes :) 2011-07-08T08:15:56 I was a Debian user until I discovered Arch 2011-07-08T08:16:03 ok, there are 3 confirmed arch cases on this channel 2011-07-08T08:16:12 its spreading 2011-07-08T08:16:33 who is the other one? 2011-07-08T08:16:38 debian/suse/kubuntu/arch 2011-07-08T08:16:48 jm-carthur 2011-07-08T08:16:57 (i dont want to wake him) 2011-07-08T08:17:21 right. It makes sense that people will migrate to Arch, though, because it's so great :) 2011-07-08T08:18:16 there's no TCP server or working server code at the moment, is there? 2011-07-08T08:18:28 my highlights are: good packaging(modularity), easy build system(abs,aur) and bsd style init scripts 2011-07-08T08:18:48 oh, and rolling release style 2011-07-08T08:19:02 there was one, from berak 2011-07-08T08:19:10 but i didnt see him in quite a while 2011-07-08T08:19:34 berak pulled mcleo's tcp server 2011-07-08T08:19:59 but there was talk to add couple of functions to the engine's sandbox, so that it could function as a tcp server 2011-07-08T08:20:31 smiley1983: and arch has the nicest wiki 2011-07-08T08:20:42 When the test server was running, though, it wasn't telling me about water, so I think it's still incomplete 2011-07-08T08:23:10 yes, all the things you've mentioned about Arch are great. I was surprised at first by how stable everything is considering the rolling release model. 2011-07-08T08:23:41 memtest added to grub 2011-07-08T08:23:45 im gonna reboot 2011-07-08T08:23:49 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5) 2011-07-08T08:51:54 *** sir_macelon has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-07-08T08:53:16 smiley1983: that water thingie was a bit strange 2011-07-08T08:53:30 beacause it didn't go that way on some bots 2011-07-08T08:55:44 rabidus: do you know if there's a TCP server now? 2011-07-08T08:55:52 no, i don't know 2011-07-08T08:56:47 oh well, I'm guessing it will probably become a higher priority once the contest starts 2011-07-08T08:57:11 me too 2011-07-08T08:57:35 i'm not sure anyone's even working on a tcp server 2011-07-08T08:57:41 i suspect mcleopold is busy with other stuff? 2011-07-08T08:57:54 he is slacking 2011-07-08T08:57:55 :D 2011-07-08T08:58:09 he's done more than you :P 2011-07-08T08:58:18 (And i) 2011-07-08T08:58:23 yeah, well i'm a huge slacker 2011-07-08T08:58:41 isn't that common thing with programmers? 2011-07-08T08:58:59 if you are not coding, then you are thinking (slacking really) 2011-07-08T08:59:00 with people* 2011-07-08T08:59:14 i wouldn't have a clue how to set up tcp stuff 2011-07-08T08:59:22 me neither 2011-07-08T08:59:33 but great idea overall 2011-07-08T08:59:46 awesome actually 2011-07-08T09:00:17 it would be fun if every game would leave a tcp server behind, and contest goes on over there after it 'offically' ends 2011-07-08T09:00:24 like there is now pw tcp server 2011-07-08T09:01:41 tcp server doesn't need that much resources to run 2011-07-08T09:01:50 just talks to clients and check that data is valid 2011-07-08T09:01:59 very straightforward 2011-07-08T09:06:44 *** pcavs has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T09:21:05 *** Palmik has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-07-08T09:23:25 rabidus: hopefully with zeta we could revive servers (possibly just with tcp, but at least with tcp) for all old contest games 2011-07-08T09:23:28 possibly with some new ones 2011-07-08T09:23:44 the vision is like an ai training ground i think, at least that's what I envision 2011-07-08T09:24:13 *** jmreardon has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T09:24:34 i think everyone is looking forward to looking at tron again 2011-07-08T09:24:44 antimatroid you know what 2011-07-08T09:24:50 bhasker: what? 2011-07-08T09:24:54 i felt planetwars was more of an interesting challenge 2011-07-08T09:25:06 than tron? 2011-07-08T09:25:10 than ants 2011-07-08T09:25:14 i feel* 2011-07-08T09:25:15 rather 2011-07-08T09:25:38 i've stated my opinion on this a few times, i think planet wars was a more interesting problem, but ants offers more in the way of ai 2011-07-08T09:25:46 in that there's more obvious things to work on and see clear results from 2011-07-08T09:25:57 *** mleise has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-07-08T09:26:21 although that can also be a bad thing, as people are all doing very similar things 2011-07-08T09:26:37 at the start of planet wars everyone was like shit, how the hell am i going to do something with this? 2011-07-08T09:28:11 with zeta? what do you mean? 2011-07-08T09:28:19 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T09:28:53 rabidus: the current "framework" is being developed under the name epsilon, there is plans for a future one completely rewritten called zeta, which would provide a framework for multiple contests etc. 2011-07-08T09:29:10 mmh.. very nice 2011-07-08T09:29:25 as to how long that will take if it ever happens, we will see, i hope it does happen 2011-07-08T09:29:32 we intent to do it at least :) 2011-07-08T09:29:38 then there can be like .. poker games or .. chess or something similar with zeta framework ? 2011-07-08T09:29:38 yea thats what i felt, all the bots look the same right now 2011-07-08T09:29:43 very, very nice idea if that's so 2011-07-08T09:29:43 there doesn't seem to be much of a difference 2011-07-08T09:29:57 and more importantly the games look boring to watch 2011-07-08T09:30:02 planetwars was a lot more fun 2011-07-08T09:30:05 to watch 2011-07-08T09:30:12 yeah, i don't like the flooded maps 2011-07-08T09:30:37 i would prefer less ants on the map, but so far people seem to think it's been necessary for games not to take forever? 2011-07-08T09:30:45 i wouldn't have thought it would make that much difference 2011-07-08T09:31:03 so it was more strategic and you could actually see the game/battle unfold 2011-07-08T09:31:24 but i don't know how much will vary strategy wise 2011-07-08T09:31:40 battle code can vary, but how noticable will it be? 2011-07-08T09:33:18 yea battle code is rather simplistic 2011-07-08T09:33:30 and there is no incentive to control territory 2011-07-08T09:33:42 all ants are spreading out 2011-07-08T09:34:32 i think we should allow stacking 2011-07-08T09:34:38 that would change the game a lot 2011-07-08T09:35:06 you could have super squads that can't be blocked. 2011-07-08T09:35:29 though visualizing it might be harder 2011-07-08T09:37:15 *** pcavs has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-07-08T09:42:40 stacked ants could also do wider range damage, so they can be larger on map 2011-07-08T09:43:23 that actually would change the entire game. 2011-07-08T09:43:32 i liked antimatroids version more 2011-07-08T09:44:28 the dmg distribution method? 2011-07-08T09:46:50 stacked ants and food into the nest 2011-07-08T09:47:29 we should have done my original ants game :P :( 2011-07-08T09:47:33 but alas, way too late 2011-07-08T09:48:30 heh 2011-07-08T09:48:41 oh well, 2011-07-08T09:48:44 *** GeorgeSebastian has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-07-08T09:48:48 mine was like now, but you had to use a move to "attack" and adjacent ant, you had hp for ants, you could fuse your ants together and their hp would sum, you had home bases that you had to harvest and return food to to generate new ants, and you had to defend your base because if an enemy invaded it you died (like future cop lapd preccint assault) 2011-07-08T09:49:03 and you had to use a move to harvest a single food item 2011-07-08T09:49:27 and why that idea was crushed? 2011-07-08T09:49:32 "too complicated" 2011-07-08T09:49:56 well it is much more complicated than the ants game now, but... i think we need a bit more complexity 2011-07-08T09:50:28 frontier made an awesome mock up visualiser for it too 2011-07-08T09:50:33 i liked a lot of that 'move harvested food into the nest if you want your son' 2011-07-08T09:50:37 the ants were actual walking (animated) ants 2011-07-08T09:50:37 yeah, i saw that 2011-07-08T09:51:42 with multiplayer, we could have given like 10+ points for taking out a queen/base and then the bot who lost the base couldn't generate more ants 2011-07-08T09:52:07 or the bot who lost the base loses all their ants and the bot who took the base out gets that many points 2011-07-08T09:52:16 yea the current game is just too simple 2011-07-08T09:52:30 not too simple, but it is simple 2011-07-08T09:54:06 i don't really see how battles are simple though? 2011-07-08T09:54:31 i still hope that the best bot will be one that is somewhat offensive 2011-07-08T09:58:37 *** Kingpin13 has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T09:58:42 lets see 2011-07-08T09:58:49 most bots seem to be following a strat of 2011-07-08T09:58:58 don't enter battle as long as its an equal tradeoff 2011-07-08T09:59:07 they just seem to go back and forth till they have a majority 2011-07-08T09:59:08 and then fight 2011-07-08T10:06:21 i think ant spawning should be tuned too, maybe if it was made so that the bigger your ant cluster the more chances of attracting an ant to spawn would be nicer 2011-07-08T10:11:31 any ideas on how to do an efficient getNearbyAnts query 2011-07-08T10:11:57 sql? 2011-07-08T10:12:09 no i meant like in the bot 2011-07-08T10:12:19 what data structure are you using atm? 2011-07-08T10:13:43 its crappy right now since ants are stored in a vector 2011-07-08T10:13:56 i am assumin gi can just search the grid 2011-07-08T10:14:01 in a square around the current position 2011-07-08T10:14:10 rather than do a real distance calculation 2011-07-08T10:14:14 between all ants 2011-07-08T10:14:28 i am wondering if there was something better than can be done 2011-07-08T10:14:47 like maybe precompute it in one pass across the map for all ants 2011-07-08T10:14:54 rather for all squares 2011-07-08T10:14:55 ya, right now I put all my ants in a 2d array of bools, keep a precalculated list of grid offsets, then add them to the point and query those array entries 2011-07-08T10:15:28 ah yea i was thinking of doing something similar 2011-07-08T10:15:38 i think those queries are killing my bots performance right now 2011-07-08T10:15:51 my entire ai is actually being done by precalculating various values on the entire map 2011-07-08T10:15:57 nice 2011-07-08T10:15:59 > 100 skill 2011-07-08T10:16:06 which bot is it? 2011-07-08T10:16:12 works fairly well, but it's hard to do things like make only one ant go after a food 2011-07-08T10:16:15 jmreardon 2011-07-08T10:16:21 sir_macelon 2011-07-08T10:16:39 oh 2011-07-08T10:17:07 btw why does the worker keep dying? 2011-07-08T10:17:23 no games in last 10hrs or so? 2011-07-08T10:17:47 not sure 2011-07-08T10:17:50 not my area 2011-07-08T10:19:30 need to go to drink some beer 2011-07-08T10:19:32 almost +30 2011-07-08T10:25:03 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T10:25:32 smiley1983: memtest showed no errors, but i gave up, it takes too long 2011-07-08T10:31:30 so what now? the strategy-conversation just stopped? 2011-07-08T10:33:02 lets see, what i have to offer 2011-07-08T10:33:37 i think food spawning could be modified, so that you would have to collect 2 squares within lets say 10 turns, to get 1 ant 2011-07-08T10:34:29 *** VilleH has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T10:35:15 *** dude_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T10:35:24 hey, mcstar this is really a good idea 2011-07-08T10:35:37 dude_: you agree? 2011-07-08T10:35:43 yeah, totally, man 2011-07-08T10:35:47 rabidus: i miss summer :( 2011-07-08T10:35:58 hey, dude_ i already like you 2011-07-08T10:36:05 can you be my best friend? 2011-07-08T10:36:14 mcstar: i was going to ask you the same thing 2011-07-08T10:36:28 Hello 2011-07-08T10:36:29 gtg now, sorry, bye mcstar 2011-07-08T10:36:37 *** dude_ has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-07-08T10:36:41 Just started 2 weeks vacation :) 2011-07-08T10:36:42 ah, dude left 2011-07-08T10:37:46 antimatroid: http://www.ouka.fi/index_kamera.asp this city camera 2011-07-08T10:38:31 rabidus: i rode to uni today with track pants under jeans, 2 jumpers, gloves and a scarf 2011-07-08T10:39:20 VilleH: 2 weeks of programming* 2011-07-08T10:39:48 :) 2011-07-08T10:40:01 *** mleise has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-07-08T10:40:36 1 week of fishing & drinking somewhere where isn't any electricity or mobile signals :) 2011-07-08T10:41:01 *** jmreardon has quit IRC (Quit: jmreardon) 2011-07-08T10:41:08 VilleH: where are you from? yeah finland, but where? 2011-07-08T10:41:23 And maybe 1 week of programming :) 2011-07-08T10:41:36 VilleH: i went camping during the summer, like half the people had smart phones with internet 2011-07-08T10:41:40 Rovaniemi, Lapland. Home of lapdancing. 2011-07-08T10:41:49 i don't even own a mobile, completely different experience in the one campsite :) 2011-07-08T10:41:53 we were gone about a week 2011-07-08T10:42:09 VilleH: oulu here :) 2011-07-08T10:42:26 rabidus: Thought so :) 2011-07-08T10:42:39 yeah, but now that beer, cu -> 2011-07-08T10:46:39 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T10:49:45 *** jmreardon has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T10:53:24 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T10:56:38 *** jmreardon has quit IRC (Quit: jmreardon) 2011-07-08T11:03:55 *** ArchMonkey has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T11:13:34 my recursive command logic just for a couple of times in the first turn, then never again 2011-07-08T11:13:37 i suspect a bug 2011-07-08T11:13:50 couple of thousand* 2011-07-08T11:16:18 i wonder if i program the same silly way as i type: run*, run for...... 2011-07-08T11:17:19 VilleH: you there? 2011-07-08T11:17:28 Yes 2011-07-08T11:17:34 http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/visualizer.php?game=67742&user=17 2011-07-08T11:17:38 take a look at this game 2011-07-08T11:18:11 my ants must have bribed the engine, otherwise i cant understand why did my bot win 2011-07-08T11:19:24 Haha, seems so :D 2011-07-08T11:20:14 http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/visualizer.php?game=67602&user=17 2011-07-08T11:20:18 another example 2011-07-08T11:20:40 when it wins, it wins the same way, with much fewer ants than other bots 2011-07-08T11:21:11 i left a few bugs in it, and it seems to be suicidal 2011-07-08T11:21:19 and still wins, i dont understand 2011-07-08T11:21:48 by suicidal i mean, frequently 2 or more of my ants step on each other.. 2011-07-08T11:22:24 Yeah, my first bot did that also 2011-07-08T11:22:54 the problem is that its not my first :D 2011-07-08T11:24:23 Hehe, nice comeback on that last game from 4 vs 59 ants to victory :D 2011-07-08T11:24:52 *** eashoka has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T11:25:05 @rankings 2011-07-08T11:25:16 mcstar: Error: There was a problem accessing the interface to ai-contest.com 2011-07-08T11:25:18 I think you are winning with small amount of ants because the battle system is rewarding based on how much your ants are contributing to the killing of other ants 2011-07-08T11:25:45 Though your ants are getting beaten to death at the same time :) 2011-07-08T11:25:48 yeah, i wonder how much better it would be without the continuous suicides :( 2011-07-08T11:27:15 I wonder how my bot would do against any of the "real" bots on the server as it is currently beating those local bots all the time.. 2011-07-08T11:27:43 as the c# or mono doesn't work on server I cant test them there 2011-07-08T11:28:58 too bad 2011-07-08T11:29:29 what can i say? experiment, find it out 2011-07-08T11:30:34 Yeah, I'm running my own bots against each other but hard to say if they are even close to what others have done.. 2011-07-08T11:31:08 hi, anybody knows when would the server be up again ? 2011-07-08T11:31:49 mcstar: remember you are likely collecting points when battling enemies 2011-07-08T11:32:24 antimatroid: ok, but the only thing that bot does well, is collecting food quite optimally 2011-07-08T11:32:28 so even if you don't have the largest army, if you're churning through ants a lot faster it's possible for your score to be high 2011-07-08T11:32:38 and as i said, it dies often from its own fault 2011-07-08T11:32:49 my bot is doing NOTHING in the way of battles 2011-07-08T11:32:54 Actually it seems that c# has started working again, now if the worker would be doing its work I could try it out 2011-07-08T11:32:54 it's just churning through lots of ants 2011-07-08T11:33:01 antimatroid: mine neither 2011-07-08T11:33:11 absolutely has no idea about enemies :) 2011-07-08T11:33:20 mine sents ants towards enemies 2011-07-08T11:33:35 but it doesn't do it smartly, and will only do it if "it thinks it has enough ants" 2011-07-08T11:33:38 but yeah 2011-07-08T11:34:03 antimatroid: cant you help VilleH ? youre cpp, youre closer to it then me 2011-07-08T11:34:14 (to c#) 2011-07-08T11:34:32 what's the problem? 2011-07-08T11:34:38 i've never done anything with c# 2011-07-08T11:34:59 i forgot, but he cant use it on the server 2011-07-08T11:35:10 VilleH: maybe you could tell again.. 2011-07-08T11:35:29 https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/issues/207 2011-07-08T11:36:10 amstan opened issue on it before and now it seems that C# should be working also, if only the worker was running 2011-07-08T11:36:33 i don't think i'd be much help sorry 2011-07-08T11:36:57 No worries, I think the problem has been sorted out allready 2011-07-08T11:37:33 Testbots are kicking again allready: http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/profile.php?user=184 http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/profile.php?user=87 2011-07-08T11:39:34 we need those ec2 server asap 2011-07-08T11:39:42 s 2011-07-08T11:45:14 *** nux67 has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T12:07:16 *** carlop has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T12:09:22 *** VilleH has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-07-08T12:18:46 aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * r907c1ab / (4 files in 2 dirs): changed points for killing an ant to 2 to reward good fighting bots - http://bit.ly/nSVtCH 2011-07-08T12:18:47 aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * r22b5149 / (10 files in 5 dirs): Merge branch 'epsilon' of github.com:aichallenge/aichallenge into epsilon - http://bit.ly/onneRW 2011-07-08T12:28:51 aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * rc3d23f5 / ants/ants.py : create food dead zone along symmetric mirrored lines - http://bit.ly/pOMjGG 2011-07-08T12:44:35 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T12:44:39 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-07-08T12:45:44 _flag: still have that problem? 2011-07-08T12:46:04 _flag: there's no workers running though 2011-07-08T12:56:08 *** Naktibalda has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 5.0/20110615151330]) 2011-07-08T12:58:36 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2011-07-08T13:00:26 <_flag> amstan: I fixed it by reuploading, but it was stuck for about an hour and a half before the workers went down 2011-07-08T13:00:39 <_flag> See submission 20: http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/profile.php?user=7 2011-07-08T13:00:40 *** sir_macelon has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-08T13:00:58 yeah 2011-07-08T13:01:04 i think the worker crashed on your submission 2011-07-08T13:01:16 and the reason it crashed was because of http connection problems 2011-07-08T13:01:25 and that's because of the crappy host 2011-07-08T13:01:27 <_flag> Well I got 3 games in with the new upload 2011-07-08T13:01:36 <_flag> So it was still working after I resubmitted 2011-07-08T13:01:51 amstan: and it seems rankings command is not working again 2011-07-08T13:02:11 maybe one of the workers crashed and then the second after some time 2011-07-08T13:02:11 contestbot: later tell janzert I'm going to be starting the worker on the main host again, there's no other worker 2011-07-08T13:02:11 amstan: Job's done. 2011-07-08T13:02:28 sir_macelon: not sure why contestbot doesn't like it 2011-07-08T13:03:11 amstan: is it related to the worker crashes? 2011-07-08T13:03:53 sir_macelon: probably to the http errors 2011-07-08T13:05:21 amstan: what do you mean "on the main host"? 2011-07-08T13:05:30 other than the beta server? 2011-07-08T13:05:34 mcstar: same as the website 2011-07-08T13:05:36 no.. 2011-07-08T13:05:43 sir_macelon: if this fails: http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/ranking_json.php?page=1 2011-07-08T13:05:46 sir_macelon: it'll error 2011-07-08T13:05:58 sir_macelon: i'm using urllib2, idk what the timeout on it is 2011-07-08T13:06:07 probably 10 seconds or something 2011-07-08T13:13:18 amstan: so maybe timeout is too short? 2011-07-08T13:13:36 you really want to wait 10 seconds to get a reply for rankings? 2011-07-08T13:51:15 *** carlop has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-07-08T14:00:08 amstan: well, I would like to eventually get an answer, not an error every time; maybe there's a better solution, I don't know 2011-07-08T14:00:47 @rankings 2011-07-08T14:00:48 amstan: Top 10 players: sir_macelon(101.4), Sto03RepliCrush(85.3), antimatroid(82.0), TRavary(81.7), davidjliu(81.3), Zaphus(80.7), Zaphtest02(80.3), OlexandrT(80.3), paratrechina(77.6), pachalmars(77.5) 2011-07-08T14:00:59 sir_macelon: just wait till we get a proper server 2011-07-08T14:01:00 amstan: workers are still down, I thought you were going to start them again? 2011-07-08T14:01:31 sir_macelon your bot is quite interesting to watch 2011-07-08T14:02:07 amstan: It's nothing important, just if there is a simple solution we could use it, but if it is to complicated then we have to live with it during beta 2011-07-08T14:02:22 2011-07-08 22:02:04,038 - 18107 - WARNING - Bad json from server during post result: 2011-07-08T14:02:24 {"hash":"67e6ab18c29fc4ef77a61d8700ccc199"}{"hash":"67e6ab18c29fc4ef77a61d8700ccc199"} 2011-07-08T14:02:25 whatever that means... 2011-07-08T14:02:59 contestbot: seen mcleopold 2011-07-08T14:02:59 amstan: mcleopold was last seen in #aichallenge 4 days, 1 hour, 19 minutes, and 1 second ago: in games per minute, that is 2011-07-08T14:03:10 bhasker: thanks, but it's still rather simple I think 2011-07-08T14:03:18 not sure.. something seems broken 2011-07-08T14:03:41 well i think most bots are still simple, seem to be chase food, if nothing to do chase an ant, if still nothing explore 2011-07-08T14:04:05 or reverse the last two orders maybe 2011-07-08T14:04:43 the difference between bots seem to be, a) how fast they can explore b) not to die in suicide moves 2011-07-08T14:04:48 excuse me, my bot is rather complicated, it makes me tired to improve it 2011-07-08T14:05:13 people are still reluctant to implement any battling, because the final rules are not yet settled 2011-07-08T14:05:22 yeah when does the actual contest start? 2011-07-08T14:05:37 mcstar: you'd better start refactoring then :) 2011-07-08T14:05:48 yeah, constantly :D 2011-07-08T14:06:05 a1k0n_: I am asking the same question 2011-07-08T14:06:33 how long it was for the planet wars to launch? 2011-07-08T14:06:47 does anybody know, how long was the beta period there? 2011-07-08T14:08:55 though i wonder if the fog of war actually hampers smart bots or really smart strategies from evolving 2011-07-08T14:09:00 very short in comparison 2011-07-08T14:12:15 bhasker: it puts more pressure to exploration strategy and therefore some luck 2011-07-08T14:12:28 yea but its making every bot the same 2011-07-08T14:12:34 every bot is just spreading out 2011-07-08T14:12:41 also there doesn't seem to be any incentive in sticking together 2011-07-08T14:12:44 beyond combat 2011-07-08T14:13:02 so we don't see like any marching ants or any grand battles really 2011-07-08T14:13:13 my take is the current structure of the game makes for a very boring watch 2011-07-08T14:13:21