2011-07-09T00:00:02 just wait a month :p 2011-07-09T00:00:31 hmm? 2011-07-09T00:00:45 It reprofiles after a month ^ 2011-07-09T00:00:49 oh, ok 2011-07-09T00:00:57 I prefer the grub entry though. 2011-07-09T00:01:18 so why were you saying that it's static? 2011-07-09T00:01:24 I thought it was 2011-07-09T00:01:41 Because the Gentoo forum didn't mention this feature :( 2011-07-09T00:02:33 * mleise fixed his forum post 2011-07-09T00:09:22 ok, and an ubuntu dev wrote it, not an arch dev 2011-07-09T00:12:26 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T00:17:09 Maybe in the future they'll do the profiling and preloading of files at the same time, so you don't get a slow boot every once in a while when ureadahead is reprofiling. There is also room for improvement with that list beeing fed to an ext4 online defragment tool :D 2011-07-09T00:27:51 hmm maybe... if i use the dump feature of ureadahead and some cheap copy-defrag-tool... i can check if defragmenting is an improvement 2011-07-09T00:28:59 *** mleise has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-07-09T00:33:53 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T00:56:39 *** dvladim has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T01:16:06 *** mleise has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-07-09T01:16:07 *** computerwiz_222 has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T01:25:40 *** fbparis has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T01:27:58 *** fbparis has left #aichallenge 2011-07-09T01:28:26 *** zobilamouche has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T01:55:58 *** dvladim has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-07-09T02:02:44 *** superflit has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T02:40:43 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T02:47:42 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) 2011-07-09T02:48:21 *** computerwiz_222 has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-07-09T03:00:35 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T03:03:30 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T03:27:56 The beta server tells me : "Your next game should be within -3.3 minutes." 2011-07-09T03:32:05 smiley1983: yeah, its a negative-number-joke, you dont like them? 2011-07-09T03:32:49 i like when it says -0.0, thats hilarious too 2011-07-09T03:34:18 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T03:43:37 *** nux67 has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T04:14:21 *** AlliedEnvy has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-07-09T04:16:35 *** AlliedEnvy has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T04:25:40 I remember some time ago there was an issue relating to games being repeated. It seems to be happening again, see my recent game list: http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/profile.php?user=9 2011-07-09T04:27:03 by that I mean that the players and map are the same, though the bots make different decisions of course 2011-07-09T04:33:15 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-07-09T04:33:46 *** ibdknox has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-07-09T05:13:15 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-07-09T05:13:36 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T05:18:50 *** mleise has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-07-09T05:34:10 *** Kingpin13 has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T05:56:09 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2011-07-09T05:58:06 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T06:12:48 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-07-09T06:16:09 *** FireFly has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T06:17:44 i suck at programming 2011-07-09T06:17:47 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5) 2011-07-09T06:26:21 *** ibdknox has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T06:27:27 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T06:43:17 *** foRei has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T06:59:28 *** smellyhippy has quit IRC (Quit: Take your stinking clause off me you damn dirty predicate!) 2011-07-09T06:59:46 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T07:12:35 *** smellyhippy has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T07:18:25 *** _0x47 <_0x47!~slash@p5B12E9C4.dip.t-dialin.net> has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T07:53:20 *** onensora has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T08:10:45 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-07-09T08:12:16 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T08:19:02 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-07-09T08:24:00 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T08:42:21 i only reboot about once a month anyway :\ 2011-07-09T08:44:14 it's too late now, but i think for the beta we should have said up front that all bots uploaded to the beta would have their source code revealed at the beginning of the actual contest 2011-07-09T08:44:23 i mean, that's not what's going to happen 2011-07-09T08:44:30 but i think it should, and we would have had to say up front 2011-07-09T08:44:49 that way people aren't going to use their best ideas in the beta 2011-07-09T08:44:53 that would have been cool 2011-07-09T08:45:05 and we would have a huge selection of "starters" 2011-07-09T08:45:20 or at least bots to test against 2011-07-09T08:45:25 locally, i mean 2011-07-09T08:45:30 how is the beta going? 2011-07-09T08:45:41 it seems like development is going slow now 2011-07-09T08:45:52 i don't know what the stopper bugs are 2011-07-09T08:46:01 but whatever they are, they haven't been changing recently 2011-07-09T08:46:26 I stopped watching the issue tracker a long time ago, it's grown a lot 2011-07-09T08:46:32 yeah 2011-07-09T08:46:54 is there a launch date yet? 2011-07-09T08:47:14 lol https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/issues/milestones 2011-07-09T08:47:21 Launch "due in 18 hours" 2011-07-09T08:47:43 :) 2011-07-09T08:48:12 oh nice, github has 128 notifications for me -_- 2011-07-09T08:48:31 yeah, that's about the same number for me 2011-07-09T08:48:36 i rarely even go through those things 2011-07-09T08:48:43 oh, actually, i have 184 notifications 2011-07-09T08:49:18 I think I just marked everything as read a while back 2011-07-09T08:49:32 me too 2011-07-09T08:49:51 i wish i could be a member of a project without being subscribed to every activity of the project 2011-07-09T08:50:02 i do check the project page every once in a while 2011-07-09T08:50:17 which is nicer because things that no longer matter are usually out of sight by then 2011-07-09T08:50:37 yeah... I wish I could change the setting so they are different for my own projects 2011-07-09T08:51:26 I mean, I would actually care if someone commented on one of my crappy projects :P 2011-07-09T08:51:48 yeah 2011-07-09T08:53:15 *** sigh_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T08:54:09 *** sigh has quit IRC (Disconnected by services) 2011-07-09T08:54:19 *** sigh_ is now known as sigh 2011-07-09T09:17:01 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-07-09T09:34:05 *** superflit has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-07-09T09:34:26 *** superflit has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T09:36:17 *** GreenTea has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T09:37:07 Hi 2011-07-09T09:38:40 we still aren't giving bots their resource limits at the start of a match. it wouldn't be too much of an impact to change, would it? i think it would be nice to at least give bots their memory limits 2011-07-09T09:38:57 I think something with selection of opponents for my bot. Very many games vs Sto03RepliCrush. But no games with FlagCapper, TRavary, sir_macelon 2011-07-09T09:39:07 maybe i should just make a ticket on github and await comments there 2011-07-09T10:12:01 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T10:13:10 *** antimatroid-uni has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-07-09T10:13:12 *** eashoka has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T10:18:13 *** eashoka has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-07-09T10:38:50 *** GreenTea has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-07-09T11:19:58 *** dvladim has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T11:37:36 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2011-07-09T11:38:45 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T11:46:02 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-07-09T12:05:19 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T12:16:52 *** berak has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T12:17:41 *** berak has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-07-09T12:18:30 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T12:18:30 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-07-09T12:26:35 *** berak has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T12:58:50 *** sixthgear has left #aichallenge 2011-07-09T13:30:19 *** amstan has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-07-09T13:31:44 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2011-07-09T14:04:54 *** dvladim has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-07-09T14:06:26 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T14:18:25 *** McLeopold has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T14:22:30 *** pcavs has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T14:24:38 *** McLeopold has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-07-09T14:30:20 *** pcavs has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-07-09T15:02:33 *** _0x47 <_0x47!~slash@p5B12E9C4.dip.t-dialin.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-07-09T15:22:19 *** pcavs has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T15:40:39 god damn it is wet outside 2011-07-09T15:52:07 *** janzert has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T15:54:23 im popping sour cherry, theyre wet inside 2011-07-09T15:54:36 sooo boring 2011-07-09T15:54:51 but at least i can watch some tech-talks 2011-07-09T15:59:44 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2011-07-09T16:11:08 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T16:47:12 *** Kineman has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T16:52:50 janzert: ping 2011-07-09T16:52:58 Kineman: ping 2011-07-09T16:53:15 are you an admin on the forum? 2011-07-09T16:53:31 no, sorry, i'm just a drunk person ;) 2011-07-09T16:53:45 there are a bunch of spam posts someone needs to delete 2011-07-09T16:53:58 amstan isn't in the room :( 2011-07-09T16:54:14 @later tell amstan spam, forums, problem! 2011-07-09T16:54:14 antimatroid: OK 2011-07-09T16:54:28 thanks 2011-07-09T16:54:32 np :) 2011-07-09T16:58:06 *** Kineman has left #aichallenge 2011-07-09T17:00:26 *** Chris_0076 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-07-09T17:06:56 *** GreenTea has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T17:09:03 Why I always play vs Sto03RepliCrush and never vs sir_macelon, FlagCapper or TRavary.. I think this is a bug.. 2011-07-09T17:19:15 antimatroid: man, i hope youre not drinking alone... 2011-07-09T17:19:48 mcstar: i just rode home from town before ;) 2011-07-09T17:19:56 i was at an engagement party then out 2011-07-09T17:20:16 (along the bike track and some random paths, not a road) 2011-07-09T17:20:45 you ride your bike at night in winter when drunk? 2011-07-09T17:20:54 yes, why not? 2011-07-09T17:20:59 hehehe 2011-07-09T17:21:04 i dont know, guess 2011-07-09T17:21:13 because you're a girl? :P 2011-07-09T17:21:19 haha 2011-07-09T17:21:32 when im drunk, i cant ride 2 legs, let alone a bicycle 2011-07-09T17:22:03 *** Chris_0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T17:22:09 well i can still reasonably type, so i can't be that far gone 2011-07-09T17:22:15 GreenTea: i agree that this seems suspicious 2011-07-09T17:22:22 it's also 7 20am :P 2011-07-09T17:22:43 youre drunk at odd hours 2011-07-09T17:22:56 i was just out late 2011-07-09T17:23:08 now is the best time to code 2011-07-09T17:23:27 i can't do anything like that when i'm drunk 2011-07-09T17:23:28 jmcarthur: time? 2011-07-09T17:23:34 late at night 2011-07-09T17:23:34 state of being 2011-07-09T17:23:39 oh 2011-07-09T17:23:40 ahhhh 2011-07-09T17:23:43 i am joking of course 2011-07-09T17:23:44 no, dont code when drunk 2011-07-09T17:23:46 ok 2011-07-09T17:23:55 the ballmer peak is not actually real 2011-07-09T17:24:13 balmer? 2011-07-09T17:24:13 i've had like 10 beers, i think i went past the ballmer peak 2011-07-09T17:24:16 not sure of spelling 2011-07-09T17:24:26 i know of it, no idea of hte spelling 2011-07-09T17:24:39 you can have multiple peaks, like girls, cant you? 2011-07-09T17:24:45 lol 2011-07-09T17:25:09 i'm still waiting to confirm my first female competitor in this 2011-07-09T17:25:23 we had a transgender last time i think? 2011-07-09T17:25:23 when im drunk, i cant recall anmes, itsss soo annoying, that i rather not drink 2011-07-09T17:25:32 binky? 2011-07-09T17:26:09 (i seriously don't mean that in a bad way, my mum is gay, i have absolutely no problems with people no matter what their lifestyle prefences) 2011-07-09T17:26:34 well, provided they aren't acitively hurting other people 2011-07-09T17:26:39 *** Chris_0076 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-07-09T17:27:08 mean what in a bad way? 2011-07-09T17:27:18 you didnt say anything? did you? 2011-07-09T17:27:32 transgender, i dunno, seems like some people would bring that up in a negative way... 2011-07-09T17:27:45 i think its a proper term, not prejudical 2011-07-09T17:28:00 i was really bummed at how much some people in my family made note of such a person at a family wedding last year :( 2011-07-09T17:28:14 of course im not an american indian, so i can be wrong... 2011-07-09T17:28:47 antimatroid: you mean your mom is happy all the time? 2011-07-09T17:29:04 mcstar: :P, i mean her partner is female :P 2011-07-09T17:29:04 fry and laurie had a sketch about the words gay 2011-07-09T17:29:15 and the other was ass-bender 2011-07-09T17:29:42 they contemplated that those words meant different things before they were used in today's meanings 2011-07-09T17:30:13 i'm with matt and trey, the context of some words is more important than their "definition" 2011-07-09T17:30:24 south park? 2011-07-09T17:30:26 yep 2011-07-09T17:30:44 i loved it, although, i dont find it that funny to watc again :S 2011-07-09T17:31:01 i can't stand the most recent south park, it sucks 2011-07-09T17:31:03 i think i still remember the jokes 2011-07-09T17:31:25 futurama is going strong though 2011-07-09T17:31:37 seen the pilot only, didnt like it 2011-07-09T17:31:45 of futurama? 2011-07-09T17:32:18 your're missing out, one of the writers is a phd student in (i think) physics (or maths), and some of the newer episodes have had some decent maths references 2011-07-09T17:32:40 there was a cool group theory episode about switching personalities (thank god for autcorrect!) 2011-07-09T17:33:28 * antimatroid finds thank god to be a weird statement yet still uses it, along with oh god :P 2011-07-09T17:33:46 istenem 2011-07-09T17:33:52 édes istenem 2011-07-09T17:34:06 im not religious at all, i mean at all, and still say those 2 2011-07-09T17:34:16 god, sweet god 2011-07-09T17:34:22 i'm not even going to get started on religion 2011-07-09T17:34:30 i would go on for too long :) 2011-07-09T17:34:37 why? its simple 2011-07-09T17:34:50 no, dogs 2011-07-09T17:34:54 how cool are dogs? 2011-07-09T17:35:03 hm 2011-07-09T17:35:15 you switched topic very subtly 2011-07-09T17:35:23 if theres such a word 2011-07-09T17:35:27 i'm a very subtle guy ;) :P 2011-07-09T17:35:47 i dont give a rats ass about dogs, to quote RDA 2011-07-09T17:35:57 :(, dogs are awesome 2011-07-09T17:36:00 i have them, but i wish i didnt 2011-07-09T17:36:10 i wish i still had a dog 2011-07-09T17:36:18 i did have a border collie, she was awesome 2011-07-09T17:36:21 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH64dlgyydM 2011-07-09T17:36:30 i saw her 2011-07-09T17:37:00 jmcarthur: :) 2011-07-09T17:37:12 ha, yep, its pretty good in hungarian 2011-07-09T17:37:16 ah yes, i vaguely remember that 2011-07-09T17:37:25 actually thats one of a few movies, that sonds cool translated 2011-07-09T17:37:48 speaking of cool movies, do you guys like the princess bride? 2011-07-09T17:37:59 they showed it to us in high school, such a great movie 2011-07-09T17:38:00 nhoi 2011-07-09T17:38:19 inconceivable! 2011-07-09T17:38:52 * antimatroid realises his miswording with autocorrect for spellcheck /facepalm 2011-07-09T17:39:16 gtg, but i should briefly mention wrt futurama, that i watch big bang theory 2011-07-09T17:39:28 i watch big bang theory, but i hat eit 2011-07-09T17:40:08 they have positions of nerds but act like geeks and portrays the stereotype that geeks are equivalent to nerds which i don't like /gets off highhorse 2011-07-09T17:41:16 amirite though? 2011-07-09T17:42:01 TBBT: best show ever ;D 2011-07-09T17:42:03 *** nann is now known as Apophis 2011-07-09T17:42:19 nooooo :( 2011-07-09T17:42:31 south park was the best show ever 2011-07-09T17:42:45 lost was awesome. but i wasn't a big fan of the ending 2011-07-09T17:43:12 or the lack of decent explanations, but such is the problem with such a build up i guess 2011-07-09T17:43:20 prison break should have ended after 1 season 2011-07-09T17:44:12 south park is vulgar... and proud of that. not my style! 2011-07-09T17:44:41 i like the south park episodes that hit the nail on the coffin for poltically incorrect topics 2011-07-09T17:44:56 and the beaver damn episode, cause that's hilarious 2011-07-09T17:45:03 * antimatroid broke the damn 2011-07-09T17:45:08 dam* 2011-07-09T17:45:11 damn! 2011-07-09T17:45:18 you don't need a hammer in satire... 2011-07-09T17:46:02 boston legal was equally as awesome if not more so than south park 2011-07-09T17:46:12 in that regard 2011-07-09T17:46:22 never watched it ;) but my mother likes boston legal a lot 2011-07-09T17:46:32 it's a good show imo :) 2011-07-09T17:47:26 my favourite serial is Breaking bad =) hope season 4 will be soon.. 2011-07-09T17:47:47 i have watched breaking bad, but i don't really consider it a top show :\ 2011-07-09T17:47:55 to each their own :) 2011-07-09T17:48:38 yeah thats why there are more than two serials ;D 2011-07-09T17:48:39 every episode in it is a little artwork.. 2011-07-09T17:48:58 but there will be never anything as good as ST:TNG or Babylon 5 ;D 2011-07-09T17:49:04 the two guys would be dead or in jail in real life by now :\ 2011-07-09T17:49:13 i have yet to watch the wire 2011-07-09T17:49:22 i imagine i'll like it, i'm saving it for a "rainy day" 2011-07-09T17:49:37 ) 2011-07-09T17:55:11 *** ibdknox has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T17:55:40 Apophis: tng true, babylon for the second time is boring 2011-07-09T17:55:56 lets mention dexter 2011-07-09T17:56:02 and scrubs 2011-07-09T17:56:23 i value dexter very much, i think im antisocial 2011-07-09T17:56:33 boring? Londo and G'Kar are boring? seriously? I could watch it voer and over again ;) too bad we never will have it in HD 2011-07-09T17:56:51 well, when you see the shadows the second time :D 2011-07-09T17:57:01 but yeah, there are timeless episodes 2011-07-09T17:57:47 but seriously, SG beats all, im fanatic, but i realize that others come close 2011-07-09T17:59:24 sg? 2011-07-09T17:59:27 stargate? 2011-07-09T17:59:57 *** escortkeel has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T17:59:59 i've only ever caught random episodes of that on tv when i was younger 2011-07-09T18:00:01 what else? do you know any other meaning for those 2 letters? 2011-07-09T18:00:03 Hallowed are the ori 2011-07-09T18:00:32 yeah, i cant quote origin 2011-07-09T18:00:32 How would I go about submitting an alternate starter package 2011-07-09T18:00:35 ? 2011-07-09T18:00:47 escortkeel: for which language? 2011-07-09T18:00:56 antimatdroid 2011-07-09T18:01:00 java 2011-07-09T18:01:13 sorry about the name mis-spelling.... 2011-07-09T18:01:14 submit a pull request i think 2011-07-09T18:01:23 Thanks! 2011-07-09T18:01:24 i don;t care about spelling :) 2011-07-09T18:01:28 :) 2011-07-09T18:01:39 haha 2011-07-09T18:01:41 droid 2011-07-09T18:03:12 ibdknox: im done through the first part 2011-07-09T18:03:21 mcstar: of the videos? 2011-07-09T18:03:24 yep 2011-07-09T18:03:29 thoughts? 2011-07-09T18:03:35 pretty interesting 2011-07-09T18:03:46 i didnt know jvm was soo advanced 2011-07-09T18:03:56 im not int that world, you know 2011-07-09T18:04:00 haha it beats C in a lot of cases 2011-07-09T18:04:09 runtime optimizations are pretty amazing 2011-07-09T18:04:36 i like the idead, of the lazy first/rest 2011-07-09T18:04:43 yes! 2011-07-09T18:04:51 lazy sequences are *awesome* 2011-07-09T18:04:59 you can do so many cool things with them 2011-07-09T18:05:02 and that there are unified functions for all of them 2011-07-09T18:05:07 mmhm 2011-07-09T18:05:23 How do i open a pull request... :) 2011-07-09T18:05:26 :) 2011-07-09T18:05:31 Clojure is hands down the most intelligently designed language I've ever used 2011-07-09T18:05:39 how old is it? 2011-07-09T18:05:46 and I used to be the PM in charge of C# and VB at Microsoft 2011-07-09T18:05:46 lol 2011-07-09T18:06:01 a little more than 4 years old, I believe 2011-07-09T18:06:29 interesting, most 4 year old languages are unknown 2011-07-09T18:06:34 i believe 2011-07-09T18:06:42 that's a fair statement 2011-07-09T18:07:09 completely unrelated, I'm beginning to agree that the game might be too simple 2011-07-09T18:07:27 the bot I have playing right now is about 15 LoC 2011-07-09T18:07:36 and is winning entirely too much 2011-07-09T18:07:37 name? 2011-07-09T18:07:46 ibdknox 2011-07-09T18:08:07 skill of 51.71 2011-07-09T18:08:18 well, thats pretty bad :) 2011-07-09T18:08:27 i mean my random bot had like 56? 2011-07-09T18:08:29 haha it's beating more than half 2011-07-09T18:08:45 that's my point 2011-07-09T18:08:51 a random bot should lose terribly 2011-07-09T18:08:52 lol 2011-07-09T18:09:19 ok, it wasnt random entirely 2011-07-09T18:09:47 it collected food, and circled with random probailities which were dependent upun turn 2011-07-09T18:10:22 * mcstar starts the spellchecker too 2011-07-09T18:10:39 this is the basic logic of my bot 2011-07-09T18:10:40 https://gist.github.com/1073423 2011-07-09T18:10:41 lol 2011-07-09T18:13:10 the closest function can be pretty sophisticated 2011-07-09T18:13:29 in my case it's not 2011-07-09T18:13:34 i use the Hungarian method 2011-07-09T18:15:54 actually i dont understand that code 2011-07-09T18:16:14 which part? 2011-07-09T18:16:24 basically it goes through each ant 2011-07-09T18:16:37 finds the closest food, shuffles the two directions to get to that food 2011-07-09T18:16:40 the function is of 0 arity, then where those variables come from? 2011-07-09T18:16:52 directions 2011-07-09T18:17:14 directions is a global constant 2011-07-09T18:17:16 yes, thats the only one 2011-07-09T18:17:18 aham 2011-07-09T18:17:27 no **? 2011-07-09T18:17:28 a vector [:north :south :east :west] 2011-07-09T18:17:45 you only ear-muff things that get rebound in clojure 2011-07-09T18:17:50 with thread-level bindings 2011-07-09T18:19:14 so you give higher probability to the direction pointing towards a food square? 2011-07-09T18:19:29 yep 2011-07-09T18:19:32 when-let 2011-07-09T18:19:35 thats interesting 2011-07-09T18:19:57 its actually a (let (()) (when 2011-07-09T18:19:59 the majority of bots in the beta are starters 2011-07-09T18:20:02 *** Chris_0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T18:20:13 is it a macro? 2011-07-09T18:20:17 it is 2011-07-09T18:20:30 i don't think it's saying much that a bot has over 50 points (which is average, not *good*) 2011-07-09T18:20:35 **POLL** 2011-07-09T18:20:41 agreed 2011-07-09T18:20:56 Does anyone here use an atucal pathfinding algorithm? 2011-07-09T18:21:01 too many globals in those sentences 2011-07-09T18:21:05 *** MuTaLiSk has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T18:21:16 escortkeel: we seek by touch 2011-07-09T18:21:16 *** FireFly has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2011-07-09T18:21:18 sure. my bot currently finds the path that favors norths, then east, then south, then west ;) 2011-07-09T18:21:24 hahaha 2011-07-09T18:21:30 haha 2011-07-09T18:21:33 *north 2011-07-09T18:21:34 i'm mean 2011-07-09T18:21:35 escortkeel: a couple of us have A* 2011-07-09T18:21:38 somthing like A* 2011-07-09T18:21:43 i do :) 2011-07-09T18:21:44 yay 2011-07-09T18:21:44 *** FireFly has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T18:21:57 mcstar: is that fast enough to do over hundreds of ants? 2011-07-09T18:21:58 i thought i was all alone 2011-07-09T18:22:06 if you code i good 2011-07-09T18:22:08 it 2011-07-09T18:22:15 it is very fast 2011-07-09T18:22:19 i times my usual path 10000 times under a sec 2011-07-09T18:22:23 timed* 2011-07-09T18:22:29 :) 2011-07-09T18:22:37 nice 2011-07-09T18:22:43 A* should only become a burden if you have to use it like 100000 times a turn or something 2011-07-09T18:22:50 yeah 2011-07-09T18:22:50 or if you use a very complicated heuristic 2011-07-09T18:23:04 *** foRei has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-07-09T18:23:07 just use the manhattan heurisic 2011-07-09T18:23:14 my aforementioned path was ~45 turn long 2011-07-09T18:23:22 it is fine since there are not diagonal moves 2011-07-09T18:23:33 jmcarthur: a* can be badly implemented, and with a slow language..... 2011-07-09T18:23:40 i said "should" ;) 2011-07-09T18:23:54 escortkeel: problem is if you want multiple targets :) 2011-07-09T18:24:03 yeah... 2011-07-09T18:24:11 *issues occuring* 2011-07-09T18:24:28 escortkeel: it was using euclidean heuristics, which was better 2011-07-09T18:24:29 you can do a*, but the heuristic function needs to be a bit more complicated 2011-07-09T18:24:43 they are, much better 2011-07-09T18:24:48 *** Chris_0076 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-07-09T18:24:56 but my little manhattan is fine with me 2011-07-09T18:25:08 manhattan aint little 2011-07-09T18:25:24 well, it is sortal 2011-07-09T18:26:03 the actual manhattan code (not the whole thing) is only 30 lines 2011-07-09T18:26:04 jmcarthur: do you have one in haskell? 2011-07-09T18:26:48 im sort of lost: what is 30 lines? 2011-07-09T18:27:07 the manhattan heuristic code 2011-07-09T18:27:16 not the whol algorithm... 2011-07-09T18:27:44 i still dont get it: what can be 30 lines? i mean its only a function call 2011-07-09T18:27:51 the whole thing is 186 lines 2011-07-09T18:28:01 function call? 2011-07-09T18:28:03 in what 2011-07-09T18:28:08 *** Chris_0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T18:28:23 mcstar: one what? a bot? or an A* implementation? 2011-07-09T18:28:41 a* 2011-07-09T18:28:46 A* heuristic implementation 2011-07-09T18:28:51 i don't, but there is a pretty decent implementation on hackage 2011-07-09T18:29:15 i was wondering if you measured that '100000' 2011-07-09T18:29:22 :) 2011-07-09T18:29:28 ah, no 2011-07-09T18:29:45 it very much depends upon the situation, the number of squares needed to be scanned 2011-07-09T18:29:46 i erred on the side of exaggeration 2011-07-09T18:30:07 any how, a* rules 2011-07-09T18:30:12 bye 2011-07-09T18:30:35 *** superflit has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2011-07-09T18:30:46 bb 2011-07-09T18:30:46 ah, 2011-07-09T18:30:54 i just realised something 2011-07-09T18:31:01 i hope its money 2011-07-09T18:31:07 when you said: 2011-07-09T18:31:08 i still dont get it: what can be 30 lines? i mean its only a function call 2011-07-09T18:31:20 I actually codedx the algorithm 2011-07-09T18:31:29 i didn;t use a lib 2011-07-09T18:31:38 yes, sure 2011-07-09T18:31:49 bye 2011-07-09T18:31:50 but the huristics is only an addition 2011-07-09T18:31:55 (+ g h) 2011-07-09T18:32:11 h can be the mahattan or whatever you want 2011-07-09T18:32:14 but without the heuruistics it is basically flood fill 2011-07-09T18:32:16 thats what i meant 2011-07-09T18:32:17 not a* 2011-07-09T18:32:38 :) 2011-07-09T18:32:44 look, is your manhattan distance function 30 lines long? 2011-07-09T18:32:50 yes 2011-07-09T18:33:00 *** Chris_0076 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-07-09T18:33:07 thats too many 2011-07-09T18:33:22 (defun distance (rows cols p1-r p1-c p2-r p2-c) 2011-07-09T18:33:29 (let ((a-r (abs (- p1-r p2-r))) 2011-07-09T18:33:31 (a-c (abs (- p1-c p2-c)))) 2011-07-09T18:33:33 (+ (min a-r (- rows a-r)) 2011-07-09T18:33:35 (min a-c (- cols a-c))))) 2011-07-09T18:33:46 *** Chris_0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T18:34:03 so? hardly 30 lines 2011-07-09T18:34:40 sure 2011-07-09T18:34:42 thanks 2011-07-09T18:34:43 ! 2011-07-09T18:34:44 :) 2011-07-09T18:34:46 alot 2011-07-09T18:34:52 for what? 2011-07-09T18:35:02 im sort of confused 2011-07-09T18:35:21 allowing me to turn the 30 line h calculator into a 5 line one! 2011-07-09T18:35:33 but i actually 2011-07-09T18:35:43 already had that code somewhere else... 2011-07-09T18:35:46 *** chris__0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T18:35:57 but it thaught they calced different values 2011-07-09T18:36:03 FAIL 2011-07-09T18:36:16 you have shown me the way! 2011-07-09T18:36:46 lol, the assemly version of it is 30 lines long :D 2011-07-09T18:36:53 :) 2011-07-09T18:36:54 haha 2011-07-09T18:37:00 yeah.... pretty much 2011-07-09T18:37:03 :) 2011-07-09T18:37:03 *** superflit has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T18:37:04 escortkeel must be writing assembly then 2011-07-09T18:37:13 :) 2011-07-09T18:37:18 nah... java 2011-07-09T18:37:34 28, nevermind 2011-07-09T18:37:50 but i left the type declarations out of the previous code 2011-07-09T18:38:09 www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5LNTTGDKYo 2011-07-09T18:38:17 heard that b4? 2011-07-09T18:38:20 ^ 2011-07-09T18:38:21 | 2011-07-09T18:39:13 *** Chris_0076 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-07-09T18:39:15 funny,,,, 2011-07-09T18:39:20 but wrong ;) 2011-07-09T18:40:29 i havent found my perfect language yet 2011-07-09T18:40:43 by the way. i wanted to rewrite my bot on lisp.. 2011-07-09T18:40:53 but found it is too slow 2011-07-09T18:40:58 really? 2011-07-09T18:41:01 sbcl? 2011-07-09T18:41:05 my path finding works 6 time slaw than java 2011-07-09T18:41:07 yes 2011-07-09T18:41:16 I spend many time to find why 2011-07-09T18:41:17 do you use declare? 2011-07-09T18:41:27 do it in Clojure! 2011-07-09T18:41:29 ?? 2011-07-09T18:41:33 then you get lisp on the JVM! 2011-07-09T18:41:34 lol 2011-07-09T18:41:35 what declare? 2011-07-09T18:41:52 java da BOMB 2011-07-09T18:42:13 lisp is good for ai though,,, ;) 2011-07-09T18:42:30 http://pastebin.com/evnHsyHj 2011-07-09T18:42:36 take a look at this GreenTea 2011-07-09T18:42:51 its my whole packaged a* 2011-07-09T18:42:59 find the declare's 2011-07-09T18:43:11 *** superflit has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-07-09T18:43:53 thats pretty long... :) 2011-07-09T18:44:17 i see. something complicated.. 2011-07-09T18:44:24 what it mean? 2011-07-09T18:44:42 you can have tpye declarations and compiler directives with it 2011-07-09T18:44:48 it gens the optimal path from one tile to another 2011-07-09T18:45:21 i'm guessing that the engine doesn't take things like leap seconds into account when timing bots? 2011-07-09T18:45:25 escortkeel: the actual a* is 60 lines long 2011-07-09T18:45:29 so i might as well not either 2011-07-09T18:45:35 as it's quite hard to account for that 2011-07-09T18:46:17 ok 2011-07-09T18:46:25 your going to lagh at mine then... 2011-07-09T18:46:53 http://pastebin.com/8r0Uv7bS 2011-07-09T18:47:05 look... 2011-07-09T18:47:10 escortkeel: it has a priority queue implementation in it, based on lists 2011-07-09T18:47:22 ill do 2011-07-09T18:47:29 but i dont understand java 2011-07-09T18:47:36 oh, ok 2011-07-09T18:47:39 sorry 2011-07-09T18:47:50 GreenTea, do you understand...? 2011-07-09T18:48:44 escortkeel: ok, i can read it after all 2011-07-09T18:48:50 your code? 2011-07-09T18:48:51 yay! 2011-07-09T18:49:04 yeah, i worte it 2011-07-09T18:49:20 isAdjacentTo is weird with those if-else's 2011-07-09T18:49:29 yeah 2011-07-09T18:49:38 thats sorta failsafe 2011-07-09T18:49:44 for some other code... 2011-07-09T18:49:47 ;) 2011-07-09T18:50:01 in case of it passing me a null value 2011-07-09T18:50:14 or me encountering one during the loop 2011-07-09T18:50:20 http://www.policyalmanac.org/games/aStarTutorial.htm 2011-07-09T18:50:25 that is the best tut ever 2011-07-09T18:51:04 sorry. I to lazy to examine it 2011-07-09T18:51:11 oh, sure 2011-07-09T18:51:16 just putting it out there 2011-07-09T18:51:40 haha, i downloaded that and tried on my mom's laptop 2011-07-09T18:51:54 :) 2011-07-09T18:52:01 i write my implementation of path finding. dont know, what it is. A* or something else.. 2011-07-09T18:52:19 but wiki is very good in this regard 2011-07-09T18:52:29 i was going to port the c code examples in the tuorial 2011-07-09T18:52:31 into java 2011-07-09T18:52:33 but 2011-07-09T18:52:50 i got boarded and just wrote it from scratch as something to do 2011-07-09T18:53:23 http://www.policyalmanac.org/games/AStar.zip 2011-07-09T18:53:27 *** pcavs has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-07-09T18:53:30 download and extract that 2011-07-09T18:53:34 and run some examples 2011-07-09T18:53:35 i dont like {} delimited languages, they hide the code from you 2011-07-09T18:53:48 what so, python then? 2011-07-09T18:53:54 :| 2011-07-09T18:54:05 well, its better in this regard 2011-07-09T18:54:17 but obviously my code wasnt in python.... 2011-07-09T18:54:25 yeah 2011-07-09T18:55:43 do you like python? 2011-07-09T18:55:45 i do 2011-07-09T18:55:54 it's basicly java 2011-07-09T18:56:05 but not type safe and without braces 2011-07-09T18:57:01 omg 2011-07-09T18:57:08 omg 2011-07-09T18:57:10 ? 2011-07-09T18:57:14 how do you sort that list? 2011-07-09T18:57:18 double loop? 2011-07-09T18:57:24 do i see it right? 2011-07-09T18:57:47 in my a* 2011-07-09T18:57:50 no, im mistaken 2011-07-09T18:57:51 ? 2011-07-09T18:58:00 if it not a secret. how fast are you path finding algorithms? 2011-07-09T18:58:05 for example map 2011-07-09T18:58:11 {". . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .", ". . . . . . . . . % % % . . . . . . . .", ". . . . . . . . . . * % . . . . . . . .", ". . . . . . . . . % % % . . . . . . . .", ". . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .", ". . . . . . . % . . . . . . . . . . . .", ". . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .", ". . . . . 2011-07-09T18:58:27 escortkeel: you just loop it over, and pick the smallest value? 2011-07-09T18:58:29 ok 2011-07-09T18:58:39 but that can be improved too 2011-07-09T18:58:51 how many time took to find 20000 time path from A to * ? 2011-07-09T18:58:59 GreenTea: you dont like pastebin? 2011-07-09T18:59:01 * times 2011-07-09T18:59:07 :) 2011-07-09T18:59:25 i cant copy those lines from there 2011-07-09T18:59:41 and theyre incorrect 2011-07-09T18:59:48 that exceeds the IRC 2011-07-09T18:59:51 limit 2011-07-09T18:59:56 of a single post length 2011-07-09T18:59:58 hm 2011-07-09T19:00:29 basically 2011-07-09T19:00:47 i find a pthe by searching the squares in order of f 2011-07-09T19:00:58 and then i work backwards form the end to the start 2011-07-09T19:01:25 http://www.everfall.com/paste/id.php?spmrcml27f6w 2011-07-09T19:02:12 so.. here is the map 2011-07-09T19:02:24 20000 iterations 2011-07-09T19:03:00 aaa 2011-07-09T19:03:04 GreenTea: come on 2011-07-09T19:03:07 . . . ? 2011-07-09T19:03:17 it should be ... 2011-07-09T19:03:22 i cant load that 2011-07-09T19:03:25 what? 2011-07-09T19:03:28 i need an Ants map 2011-07-09T19:03:35 nither can i 2011-07-09T19:03:55 i mean i could, but im not going to dig in previous versions to load this :S 2011-07-09T19:04:09 ok. i understand) 2011-07-09T19:04:20 this is my internal format for testing =) 2011-07-09T19:04:31 i just wrote a function to load Ants map 2011-07-09T19:04:38 why spaces? 2011-07-09T19:04:43 because there are soo many of them, and everyone uses them 2011-07-09T19:04:52 jmcarthur: probably cause the aspect ratio 2011-07-09T19:05:13 there are no 1:1 fonts around for console 2011-07-09T19:05:31 sure, but that doesn't mean you have to actually type spaces and stuff 2011-07-09T19:05:39 you could just programmatically add them when you need to view it 2011-07-09T19:05:41 but it displayes nices 2011-07-09T19:05:42 r 2011-07-09T19:06:00 obviously he chose this way 2011-07-09T19:06:04 you asked why.... 2011-07-09T19:07:05 yes. it looks nice.. 2011-07-09T19:07:20 i'm tired of coding. time for minecraft 2011-07-09T19:10:13 MINECRAFT! :) 2011-07-09T19:10:21 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T19:10:21 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-07-09T19:10:22 bye! 2011-07-09T19:10:27 *** escortkeel has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-07-09T19:10:50 %) 2011-07-09T19:13:01 GreenTea: so? is the map coming? 2011-07-09T19:13:35 of course i could use vim to edit that map.. 2011-07-09T19:13:59 hm. you can just remove spaces. and add "m " to begining of every line.. 2011-07-09T19:15:11 *** jbrechtel has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T19:15:27 ok, done 2011-07-09T19:15:43 :) 2011-07-09T19:16:02 Hi, I've looked for documentation explaining this, but can't seem to find anything....can anyone tell me under what circumstances my ants would kill each other? 2011-07-09T19:16:49 nevermind 2011-07-09T19:16:53 if they move to same space 2011-07-09T19:16:58 yes) 2011-07-09T19:17:12 I swear I guarded against that and still saw it happening, but just saw it in the docs 2011-07-09T19:17:12 thanks 2011-07-09T19:17:18 must inspect more carefully 2011-07-09T19:17:59 maybe lisp will be fast with declare. but. code is so weird.. and java is already fast withoud handmade optimizaitions ^_^ 2011-07-09T19:22:15 GreenTea: with manhattan heuristic: ~0.4sec, with better heuristic: ~0.3 2011-07-09T19:22:56 cool.. my result is 1 second 2011-07-09T19:23:12 wih GreenTea heuristic) 2011-07-09T19:23:21 *** ibdknox has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-07-09T19:24:23 http://imgur.com/KNdPv 2011-07-09T19:24:26 this is the path 2011-07-09T19:24:40 from yellow to magenta 2011-07-09T19:24:52 whit: open, red: close, blue: water 2011-07-09T19:25:08 GreenTea: amd x2 2000mhz 2011-07-09T19:25:52 same path) 2011-07-09T19:26:17 what if bad case. no path http://www.everfall.com/paste/id.php?spmrcml27f6w 2011-07-09T19:26:24 ? 2011-07-09T19:26:50 it would check almost all tiles, i can run that 2011-07-09T19:28:28 1.63 sec 2011-07-09T19:29:52 GreenTea: you? 2011-07-09T19:30:36 Excuse my ignorance, but is it obvious what the better heuristic than the manhattan one is here? 2011-07-09T19:30:40 GreenTea: and those arent hand-made optimizations, they are just like when you declare a variable with type 2011-07-09T19:30:56 Are you just referring to some variation of Manhattan with more domain/game specific knowledge? 2011-07-09T19:31:04 jbrechtel: weighted a* is usually better, and you have to experiment 2011-07-09T19:31:31 its c*d_manhattan 2011-07-09T19:31:38 *** GreenTea_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T19:31:42 or euclidean can be god too 2011-07-09T19:31:44 Sorry, reboot 2011-07-09T19:31:48 GreenTea_: argh 2011-07-09T19:32:02 shall i paste my lines? 2011-07-09T19:32:05 mcstar: interesting, thanks 2011-07-09T19:32:21 what is time? 2011-07-09T19:32:29 ill paste them.. 2011-07-09T19:32:35 it would check almost all tiles, i can run that 2011-07-09T19:32:37 1.63 sec 2011-07-09T19:32:39 GreenTea: you? 2011-07-09T19:32:41 GreenTea: and those arent hand-made optimizations, they are just like when you declare a variable with type 2011-07-09T19:32:55 oO 2011-07-09T19:32:58 17 seconds 2011-07-09T19:33:04 *** GreenTea has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-07-09T19:33:24 :( 2011-07-09T19:34:59 ok. my implementation is not so good as I think) 2011-07-09T19:35:28 your machine? 2011-07-09T19:35:34 what kind is it? 2011-07-09T19:36:07 *** jbrechtel has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-07-09T19:37:22 core i7 :( 2011-07-09T19:37:38 id love to have one of those 2011-07-09T19:37:50 =) 2011-07-09T19:39:22 then ill close it now 2011-07-09T19:40:56 @later tell mleise i installed ff6, the gray overlay if gone 2011-07-09T19:40:56 mcstar: Ready to serve, my lord. 2011-07-09T19:47:36 *** berak has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [SeaMonkey 2.0a3/20090223135443]) 2011-07-09T19:53:28 need sleep 2011-07-09T19:53:30 bb 2011-07-09T19:53:32 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5) 2011-07-09T20:05:41 bb 2011-07-09T20:05:49 *** GreenTea_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-07-09T20:13:20 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-07-09T20:21:17 *** Kingpin13 has quit IRC (Quit: this used to be the life, but I don't need another one) 2011-07-09T20:34:16 *** superflit has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T20:46:05 *** pcavs has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T20:50:30 *** jbrechtel has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T21:27:34 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T21:52:52 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T21:52:52 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-07-09T21:53:07 *** computerwiz_222 has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T21:58:37 *** jmreardon has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T22:03:48 *** jbrechtel has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-07-09T22:04:42 *** pcavs has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-07-09T22:07:47 *** pcavs has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T22:22:52 *** computerwiz_222 has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2011-07-09T22:23:34 *** computerwiz_222 has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T22:24:28 *** onensora has quit IRC () 2011-07-09T22:24:35 *** jmreardon has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2011-07-09T23:02:05 *** jmreardon has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T23:02:14 *** ibdknox has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-09T23:48:47 *** ibdknox has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-07-09T23:57:14 *** jbrechtel has joined #aichallenge