2011-07-14T00:05:26 *** amstan has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2011-07-14T00:10:05 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T00:10:05 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-07-14T01:43:06 *** Iradrille has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T01:43:23 hi there 2011-07-14T01:48:12 *** berak has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T02:10:23 *** Palmik has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T02:12:34 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T02:14:50 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-07-14T02:20:34 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T03:01:45 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2011-07-14T03:03:46 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T03:28:40 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5) 2011-07-14T03:29:58 *** ltriant has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-07-14T03:35:24 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T04:08:34 *** Iradrille has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-07-14T04:30:35 I've been living in Hannover for a while and been to a few bars, but I ever heard of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanover_bars 2011-07-14T04:35:35 you need to search for Hangover bars, pal 2011-07-14T04:36:43 "Hangover in Hannover", that's what I hear from everyone visiting this city 2011-07-14T04:37:02 its a good reputation 2011-07-14T04:37:05 :D 2011-07-14T04:37:16 C'mon there is cultural heritage to see, parks, museums. Don't just drink! 2011-07-14T04:37:45 i think when you are drunk, you somehow look over these things 2011-07-14T04:37:51 Come to Australia, you drink for everything 2011-07-14T04:38:23 antimatroid: i saw your posts on reddit: how to safely fall from higher than 5 metres? LOL 2011-07-14T04:38:31 :) 2011-07-14T04:40:19 ouch, I heard from a bar keeper about someone who fell off an elevated road while walking drunk on the side wall 2011-07-14T04:41:03 he said that his alcohol level saved him from bad fractures because his muscles were more relaxed, lol 2011-07-14T04:41:45 have you heard the story of the russian and his wife? 2011-07-14T04:42:09 http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/weird/drunk-survives-five-storey-fall-twice/story-e6frev20-1225697113693 2011-07-14T04:54:16 no, antimatroid 2011-07-14T05:05:34 anyone knows of a good program for visualizing flow charts? 2011-07-14T05:05:41 wow that's amazing 2011-07-14T05:05:56 what is? 2011-07-14T05:06:07 drunk russian man 2011-07-14T05:06:08 the link 2011-07-14T05:06:19 *** boegel has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T05:06:35 i read it, i dont think it happened 2011-07-14T05:06:40 15m? twice? 2011-07-14T05:06:43 my arse 2011-07-14T05:06:45 5m 2011-07-14T05:06:48 no 15 2011-07-14T05:06:55 the drunk russian right? 2011-07-14T05:06:58 i asked that in the height thread of mine you asked 2011-07-14T05:07:04 and people seemed to think true? 2011-07-14T05:07:07 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) 2011-07-14T05:07:14 Astonishingly 22-year-old Muscovite survived - staggering back upstairs with barely a scratch after the 15m fall. 2011-07-14T05:07:23 hmm 2011-07-14T05:07:36 anyway, back later 2011-07-14T05:07:41 yeah... 2011-07-14T05:07:58 15m - 5 story 2011-07-14T05:08:21 mleise: antim. said 5m 2011-07-14T05:08:57 so no flowchart visualizers? 2011-07-14T05:09:18 mleise: dont you have one written? 2011-07-14T05:11:35 :P 2011-07-14T05:24:23 *** Kingpin13 has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T05:45:57 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T05:55:06 *** Naktibalda has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T06:13:14 *** sir_macelon has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T06:13:23 hi 2011-07-14T06:14:00 @rankings 2011-07-14T06:14:01 sir_macelon: Top 10 players: sir_macelon(100.0), FlagCapper(99.9), GreenTea(85.8), Sto03RepliCrush(84.6), Zaphus(82.3), OlexandrT(82.2), pachalmars(81.1), Zaphtest02(80.2), davidjliu(79.4), incoherent(79.2) 2011-07-14T06:14:29 *** fbparis has left #aichallenge 2011-07-14T06:14:52 hehe 2011-07-14T06:14:57 0.1 difference 2011-07-14T06:15:14 but this is some old raknings snapshot 2011-07-14T06:15:21 hey, has anyone seen a draw game? 2011-07-14T06:15:25 the page is not updated 2011-07-14T06:15:31 ok 2011-07-14T06:16:08 i mean top rank level draw game 2011-07-14T06:16:17 mcleopold has seen one draw, he pasted it here, but it was quite some time ago 2011-07-14T06:16:57 that simply tells that the game is very complicated after all, there will be "allways" a winner 2011-07-14T06:17:03 *always 2011-07-14T06:17:12 it's hard to get a draw in this game, maybe if there would be some minimaps around 20x20, like the test map 2011-07-14T06:17:27 yep 2011-07-14T06:17:44 kinda... intresting thing 2011-07-14T06:34:27 do you mean a draw by points or just two survivers with no obvious winner? 2011-07-14T06:36:19 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T06:38:33 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T06:39:26 lol at this "victory": http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/visualizer.php?game=82497 2011-07-14T06:40:58 lone ant "wins" against 200 enemies 2011-07-14T06:41:05 smiley1983: i have those kind of "wins" all the times 2011-07-14T06:41:21 its absolutely rubbish 2011-07-14T06:41:31 i more turn, and we'd be eliminated 2011-07-14T06:41:40 hahaaa 2011-07-14T06:41:49 I think the current system requires some work. :) 2011-07-14T06:41:59 agreed 2011-07-14T06:42:32 no this looks good to me, the ant that looses all ants except for 1 wins against the one that manages to crawl back out of the hole and take over the board 2011-07-14T06:43:28 mleise: if you wait a couple of turn, the lone ant would die with massive probability 2011-07-14T06:43:40 its not right at all 2011-07-14T06:43:54 If th game went on for 10 more rounds and solifugid was eliminated and the turn limit was 1000 the food bonus would have kicked in 2011-07-14T06:44:41 mcstar: Yes I was being sarcastic, because green really did the better job here in the end 2011-07-14T06:45:01 i didnt get that, sorry 2011-07-14T06:45:02 but ymmv 2011-07-14T06:45:36 I'm usually for the rebels, not the empire 2011-07-14T06:46:19 sorry, i dont watch star trek 2011-07-14T06:46:26 I think it wouldn't happen so much with stronger bots - but most bots are weak like mine, and fail to do basic necessary things (like securing territory, or at least trying to revisit it) 2011-07-14T06:46:45 so strange outcomes emerge 2011-07-14T06:47:08 emerge ... hmm I should emerge the latest ebuilds on my gentoo 2011-07-14T06:47:28 :) 2011-07-14T06:47:45 So what can we do to solve this? 2011-07-14T06:47:57 Others cry for 2 points per ant killed. 2011-07-14T06:48:09 mleise: thats already done 2011-07-14T06:48:17 oh 2011-07-14T06:48:19 add an extra check for ant numbers, and don't end the game if the winner is massively behind 2011-07-14T06:48:50 mleise: cry for something i think means, you want it badly 2011-07-14T06:48:58 want it badly means you want it very much 2011-07-14T06:49:04 is that what you meant? 2011-07-14T06:49:24 yes, because someone - maybe you - wrote a good battle algorithm and wanted the scoring changed badly 2011-07-14T06:49:44 because harvesting food was so much easier than writing a good battle algorithm 2011-07-14T06:49:50 ok, front page says that 2 points are given for a killed ant 2011-07-14T06:49:57 *** boegel has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2011-07-14T06:50:07 so that's why cyan gets so many points 2011-07-14T06:50:14 yes 2011-07-14T06:50:26 but for me, it was like this before this rule too 2011-07-14T06:50:27 cyan is sparta 2011-07-14T06:50:44 sparta evetually disappears 2011-07-14T06:50:58 i wouldnt be sparta 2011-07-14T06:51:07 im the Highlander 2011-07-14T06:52:51 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-07-14T06:52:58 well in boxing you have victories by points as well. 2011-07-14T06:53:27 we can decide if we want this in ants or let the game run until it becomes a ko win 2011-07-14T06:54:09 I think games should be ended early in some cases, but currently the conditions are not quite right 2011-07-14T06:54:16 (hmm, new xorg-server-1.10... should i emerge that?) 2011-07-14T06:54:35 i heard bad things about gentoo system updates 2011-07-14T06:55:03 mcstar: like what? smiley1983: talk about this to McLeopold maybe 2011-07-14T06:55:41 collegue of mine had trouble after upgrades, wellm with upgrades, sometimes packages wont compile 2011-07-14T06:58:27 mcstar: Oh I got used to this. It's not gentoo's fault in general. Often some packages just wont compile against certain versions of other packages. I usually mask the offending packages though an entry in /etc/portage/package.mask then and wait for the next version. :p 2011-07-14T06:59:22 i cant stand those kind of annoyances 2011-07-14T06:59:59 i understand that linux is not win/osx, but i wont choose a troublesome solution over a "just works" solution 2011-07-14T07:00:29 Gentoo is a 'rolling' distribution, so the updates come in as they are released. On Ubuntu for example they are more thoroughly checked and at some point an upgrade is done. 2011-07-14T07:00:43 arch is rolling too, but its binary 2011-07-14T07:00:49 never had a package rpoblem 2011-07-14T07:01:45 im not trying to convince you, its just my personal preference 2011-07-14T07:02:19 if i want to compile something i can do with cp -r /var/abs/extra/something .; cd something; makepkg -s 2011-07-14T07:02:44 and sudo pacman -U something.ver.tar.xz 2011-07-14T07:03:40 mcstar: If I was just switching from Windows to Linux now, I would probably chose Arch. But now I'm used to Gentoo 2011-07-14T07:03:57 :) 2011-07-14T07:04:02 kind of you 2011-07-14T07:04:25 I know the compiles are tideous, but with ccache it works ok 2011-07-14T07:05:37 Also with binaries you sometimes lose one degree of freedom: You cannot chose what features to activate. Some packages support bluetooth, but you don't need that support. 2011-07-14T07:06:20 If it is a plugin it can be installed as a separate binary package, but this is not always the case. 2011-07-14T07:07:46 On the other hand I have to constantly be up to date on what is state of the art. hal has been replaced by udev now. xorg.conf is optional. 2011-07-14T07:08:17 well, a year ago? 2011-07-14T07:08:21 maybe more? 2011-07-14T07:08:22 many big changes are announced in the news when updating the package tree though 2011-07-14T07:08:59 mcstar: yes that were just examples. i don't know what I'm currently lagging behind with. I guess btrfs replacing ext4 or so 2011-07-14T07:09:35 i only heard abuot btrfs from your conversation with bhask.er 2011-07-14T07:09:48 me too :p 2011-07-14T07:10:00 im wont be upgrading filesystems just becasue 2011-07-14T07:10:11 im quite happy with xfs/ext4 2011-07-14T07:10:22 Well, if it finally gets me online backup and defrag I will use it 2011-07-14T07:10:41 defrag? 2011-07-14T07:10:44 why? 2011-07-14T07:10:46 I would do backups more regularly 2011-07-14T07:11:08 defrag, because files fragment over time and I like watching little squares move around? 2011-07-14T07:11:21 really? 2011-07-14T07:11:58 i read some time ago that performance doesnt really degrade with fragmentation on modern linux filesystems 2011-07-14T07:12:08 I tried it with ext4 on an older IBM T23 notebook and the defrag made it boot WAY faster 2011-07-14T07:12:18 hm 2011-07-14T07:12:37 I just copied the files to an external drive and reformatted 2011-07-14T07:13:19 but those drives have huge seek times 2011-07-14T07:13:25 anyway, i dont really care 2011-07-14T07:13:30 So the disk may have been slow, not 50% empty or i compiled to many gentoo packages there, but the point is that file fragmentation happens 2011-07-14T07:13:38 i mean, its good the way it is now for me 2011-07-14T07:13:54 i believe you 2011-07-14T07:14:26 but i need to draw those diagrams now :S 2011-07-14T07:14:35 now I have ureadahead (stolen from ubuntu) and I don't think it will become much faster now :) 2011-07-14T07:15:27 you need to draw some manually or programatically? 2011-07-14T07:15:41 point and click and type 2011-07-14T07:15:55 try some uml tools 2011-07-14T07:16:05 aaaa, i dont know 2011-07-14T07:16:08 or use InkScape 2011-07-14T07:16:15 i dont want to waste my time learning uml 2011-07-14T07:16:19 maybe graphviz 2011-07-14T07:16:42 but its a one time thing, ao i just draw lines and such 2011-07-14T07:16:55 i try Dia, its a gtk diagram editor 2011-07-14T07:17:10 InkScape is a SVG editor, so what you learn there is useful for other things, like creating icons, web graphics, drawing some ant game situations :p 2011-07-14T07:17:19 i sed inkscape 2011-07-14T07:17:31 for dissecting pdf papers 2011-07-14T07:17:56 but i definitely wont need vector graphics in the near/far future 2011-07-14T07:18:14 im a science guy, mleise i dont do design 2011-07-14T07:18:33 *** locutus_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T07:19:00 but this shitty logic im writing is getting complicated, and i thought a diagram might help me see the connections 2011-07-14T07:20:20 I used InkScape for pathfinding ideas. Loaded some of the maze maps and manually traced some paths through the algorithm I had in mind to see if it works 2011-07-14T07:20:27 mleise: i draw ant configs with gimp 2011-07-14T07:20:41 i zoomed it up, and just draw pixels with 1pixel grid on 2011-07-14T07:21:15 ok, but in an svg you can also draw rectangle borders around areas 2011-07-14T07:21:27 add arrows or text 2011-07-14T07:21:45 i didnt say it isnt better 2011-07-14T07:22:40 hey, i must really do this now, i wont get anywhere if i chat the whole day :D 2011-07-14T07:22:56 so excuse me 2011-07-14T07:23:08 alright :) 2011-07-14T07:32:10 mleise: btrfs has replaced ext4 as the standard filesystem in gentoo? 2011-07-14T07:32:37 err, for some definition of "standard"? 2011-07-14T07:34:44 eh, time for work 2011-07-14T07:38:37 *** jmreardon has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T07:53:18 *** Apophis_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-07-14T07:53:21 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T07:55:05 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5) 2011-07-14T07:58:24 jmcarthur: I don't think Gentoo *has* a standard filesystem at all, hehe. There is no setup CD-ROM or something that would sugest reformatting with ext4 or anything 2011-07-14T07:58:56 *** Apophis_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T08:02:18 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-07-14T08:02:41 *** onensora has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T08:14:19 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T08:14:35 *** choas has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T08:40:04 Ah, there is actually a user package tree in gentoo that I can use to add some stuff that i consider missing :) 2011-07-14T08:48:56 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2011-07-14T08:49:54 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T08:51:09 *** eashoka has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T08:59:29 when can we get the ranking page back please ? :-) 2011-07-14T09:00:25 *** fbparis has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T09:00:36 arf, seen : http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/visualizer.php?game=82497 2011-07-14T09:01:05 ants in desesperate situation should suicide rather than giving 2 points to the opponent 2011-07-14T09:02:08 so it would be good to always walk in packs of 2 2011-07-14T09:02:28 yes, i thought about this too 2011-07-14T09:02:43 *** foRei has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T09:02:47 but it would slow the expansion, so depends on the time 2011-07-14T09:03:14 at least when an ant is near water.. 2011-07-14T09:03:18 plouf 2011-07-14T09:05:31 traps may be fun too, ants staying around a piece of food, and acting like a black hole for stupid bots :D 2011-07-14T09:06:11 lol 2011-07-14T09:07:58 we should really asess the intelligence of the other bots in several cetegories like "does it always follow me once it has seen me" "will it prefer food or enemy ants" "does it attack blindly or tactically" "will it stay away from me if I outnumber it" etc. 2011-07-14T09:08:30 *** Naktibalda has left #aichallenge 2011-07-14T09:08:54 logs of old games are available online ? 2011-07-14T09:09:20 fbparis: yes, you can watch and download them from id 0 on 2011-07-14T09:09:45 and bots are allowed to access it during a game ? 2011-07-14T09:09:54 fbparis: no -.- 2011-07-14T09:10:26 anyway you have 0.5 to 1 second per turn so it is hard to make use of that information 2011-07-14T09:10:29 not important, you can compute on all the available log before the game 2011-07-14T09:10:45 you talk in riddles 2011-07-14T09:11:57 arf that's stupid 2011-07-14T09:12:19 anyway during a game your bot doesnt know the opponents 2011-07-14T09:13:31 it could try to identify opponent during the game according to its way of playing 2011-07-14T09:13:58 better coding simplier things :D 2011-07-14T09:14:38 fbparis: Well, in Planet Wars we had the rule that you must NOT "identify opponent during the game" 2011-07-14T09:15:17 well, that's a stupid rule if you are allowed to get logs 2011-07-14T09:15:28 and how to proove it ? 2011-07-14T09:15:59 you can't and it is a bit vague as it still allows to identify individual strategies 2011-07-14T09:16:27 bot taking a decision if some pattern match dosent mean it has identified an opponent :) 2011-07-14T09:16:41 right 2011-07-14T09:35:01 morning 2011-07-14T09:36:31 afternoon 2011-07-14T09:36:54 epic 2011-07-14T09:40:55 is the rankings page still barfed? 2011-07-14T09:43:23 so how is everyone doing 2011-07-14T09:43:34 drunk 2011-07-14T09:43:37 as always 2011-07-14T09:43:38 ah I'm a bit demotivated 2011-07-14T09:44:02 and i hate dhl and i hate simplyelectronics 2011-07-14T09:44:02 This project doesn't seem to have a deadline 2011-07-14T09:44:08 sir_macelon : is it the time out setting you spoke about once which is holding the ranking page now ? 2011-07-14T09:44:47 *** choas has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2011-07-14T09:45:20 ah frontier don't be 2011-07-14T09:45:34 i am sure once we have a final battle resolution method that works it will be ready soon 2011-07-14T09:45:39 mostly the framework seems to be ready 2011-07-14T09:45:50 in other news my bot is now hitting 70 rating 2011-07-14T09:46:08 now to make it a bit smarter about picking its battles 2011-07-14T09:46:15 stupid thing goes and fights anything and everythign 2011-07-14T09:46:22 and ends up burning a lot of ants 2011-07-14T09:46:37 while another opponent grows big and eventually crushes it 2011-07-14T09:46:41 how's that tcp coming? 2011-07-14T09:47:13 About the ranking page issue (if it is a performance related one) : Iif it takes too long to load, why not split it into several smaller pages (say about 20 entries each) and then display a list of links (at the bottom or top or both) to directly load each page. that way ppl can get to pages with minimal number of clicks, at the same time watch individual pages should load fast.c 2011-07-14T09:48:16 bhasker : congrats! 2011-07-14T09:48:34 thanks 2011-07-14T09:49:11 at least i am happy it doesn't do stupid things like suicide in the first 20 turns 2011-07-14T09:51:06 eashoka: I don't know what happed to rankings page, but it is frozen now and someone from the contest organizers should take a look at it 2011-07-14T09:54:49 *** bhasker has quit IRC (Quit: bhasker) 2011-07-14T10:01:00 night.. 2011-07-14T10:01:08 *** fbparis has left #aichallenge 2011-07-14T10:09:40 *** mleise has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-07-14T10:11:01 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T10:13:24 *** mleise has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-07-14T10:15:50 *** mleise1 has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T10:42:25 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-07-14T10:52:38 *** sir_macelon has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-07-14T11:00:19 *** eashoka has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-07-14T11:05:39 *** sir_macelon has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T11:07:12 my bot is as fed up with this contest not being start as me... 2011-07-14T11:08:01 he expressed it well in this game, check this out: http://ants.zeroviz.us/y7fPA/ 2011-07-14T11:54:24 *** sir_macelon has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-07-14T12:45:11 *** dvladim has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T12:54:32 *** mleise1 has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T12:55:53 *** mleise1 has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-07-14T12:56:12 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T13:27:32 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2011-07-14T13:39:59 *** hardfire has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T13:40:39 hello i need some help regarding registeration . i got no confirmation mail till now 2011-07-14T13:41:11 any moderators here ? 2011-07-14T13:42:24 *** dvladim has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-07-14T13:42:52 *** hardfire has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-07-14T13:43:47 there's no email yet, you have to click the 'click me' link (at the bottom) after completing the registration form instead. 2011-07-14T13:45:42 *** locutus_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-07-14T13:45:55 can someone please train the contestbot on that situation ? 2011-07-14T13:52:54 @learn activation as there's no email yet, you have to click the 'click me' link (at the bottom) after completing the registration form instead. 2011-07-14T13:52:54 mleise: Ready to serve. 2011-07-14T13:52:58 @learn 2011-07-14T13:52:58 mleise: (learn [] as ) -- Associates with . is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value. 2011-07-14T13:53:03 ;) 2011-07-14T13:53:12 ?? 2011-07-14T13:53:22 @activation 2011-07-14T13:53:23 mleise: activation could be there's no email yet, you have to click the 'click me' link (at the bottom) after completing the registration form instead.. 2011-07-14T13:53:43 ah why is my name in it now :p 2011-07-14T13:54:24 because i invoked the command, ok. im easy to confuse today 2011-07-14T13:55:09 @forget activation 2011-07-14T13:55:09 mleise: Job's done. 2011-07-14T13:55:36 @learn activation as done by email later. but at the moment you have to click the 'click me' link (at the bottom) after completing the registration form instead 2011-07-14T13:55:36 mleise: Ready to serve, my lord. 2011-07-14T13:55:39 @activation 2011-07-14T13:55:40 mleise: activation could be done by email later. but at the moment you have to click the 'click me' link (at the bottom) after completing the registration form instead. 2011-07-14T13:55:55 contestbot is a challenge of it#s own 2011-07-14T13:55:56 berak: An error occured while trying to show the previous error. 2011-07-14T13:56:23 hehe 2011-07-14T13:59:35 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T14:04:45 mleise, your name wan't in the factoid, you just happend to asked for it 2011-07-14T14:05:44 yeah that's what I realized when i said: "because i invoked the command, ok. im easy to confuse today" 2011-07-14T14:07:21 *** okayzed` has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2011-07-14T14:16:18 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2011-07-14T14:18:02 *** okayzed has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T14:19:07 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T14:22:25 *** okayzed has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-07-14T14:27:05 *** mathis_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T14:30:36 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-07-14T14:31:10 *** confab has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-07-14T14:33:50 hey guys. I downloaded Toolz.zip and all the python sample bots are working but i can't figure out how to use the java bots. i tried "java sample_bots\java\LeftyBot.class" and other stuff, can anyone help me? 2011-07-14T14:40:59 tools.zip seems to contain only the source code of the java bots, you have to compile them first(on your own), before using LeftyBot, etc 2011-07-14T14:42:51 i have compiled them, i can see the .class files 2011-07-14T14:44:31 try "java sample_bots\java\Leftybot" <-- whithout .class, then 2011-07-14T14:44:35 the name of the Bot is correct, in the replay it says "4. LeftyBot.class (crashed)" 2011-07-14T14:45:48 without the ".class" it doesn't even get the right name in the replay, it just says "4. player 4 (crashed)" 2011-07-14T14:46:25 mathis_: try running the command directly yourself and make sure the bot is executed correctly 2011-07-14T14:46:57 java -classpath sample_bots\java Leftybot 2011-07-14T14:46:59 *** okayzed has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T14:47:56 and yeah, I was going to say under linux at least the command line is more like "java -cp sample_bots/java LeftyBot 2011-07-14T14:49:00 i'll try that 2011-07-14T14:51:22 okay thanks, "java -cp sample_bots\java LeftyBot" seems to work 2011-07-14T14:52:34 it's a bit strange that now it says "3. java" even though it's the fourth player and the name of the bot of course isn't java 2011-07-14T14:57:39 *** mleise has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-07-14T15:04:28 *** foRei has quit IRC (Quit: Bye) 2011-07-14T15:05:18 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T15:05:18 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-07-14T15:13:12 *** foRei has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T15:25:50 *** janzert has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-07-14T15:29:53 *** janzert has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T16:05:32 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2011-07-14T16:07:58 *** confab has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T16:13:46 *** mathis_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-07-14T16:27:18 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T16:31:31 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T17:31:22 *** amstan_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T17:31:22 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan_ 2011-07-14T17:31:46 *** amstan has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host) 2011-07-14T17:35:14 *** Palmik has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-07-14T17:39:28 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T17:51:26 *** okayzed has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-07-14T18:09:11 *** Chris_0076 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-07-14T18:16:08 *** Kingpin13 has quit IRC (Quit: this used to be the life, but I don't need another one) 2011-07-14T18:19:07 *** ltriant has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T18:35:22 *** Chris_0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T18:35:30 *** okayzed has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T18:39:48 *** Chris_0076 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-07-14T18:42:12 *** mleise has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-07-14T18:45:13 *** Chris_0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T18:50:49 *** Chris_0076 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-07-14T18:55:47 *** Chris_0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T18:59:40 *** bhasker has joined #aichallenge 2011-07-14T19:00:11 *** Chris_0076 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-07-14T19:20:04 *** berak has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-07-14T19:28:03 bhasker: based on what you have said earlier about the state of the contest, its sounds like you believe the battle resolution method is a problem right now. what do you think is wrong with it? (i personally think the worst thing about the game right now is lack of depth, and second place is the scoring system) 2011-07-14T19:29:05 *** amstan_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-07-14T19:32:27 battle reolution is too dimple 2011-07-14T19:32:32 *simple 2011-07-14T19:33:12 very little strategy in area control 2011-07-14T19:33:33 still seems to be who spread faster 2011-07-14T19:33:40 wins 2011-07-14T19:34:06 in 10 way battles it can be because of luck 2011-07-14T19:34:08 just to be clear, you are talking about the "focus" battle resolution? 2011-07-14T19:34:24 in general all methids are too simple 2011-07-14T19:34:50 but mostly i think there isnt much strategy to the games 2011-07-14T19:35:06 personally i think we need to make the games more goal oriented and less score oriented 2011-07-14T19:35:25 i guess so 2011-07-14T19:35:42 mostly i think 2 player games are interesting 2011-07-14T19:35:51 score could still play a part in it, but it should be deeper than just moving next to food or moving next to an opponent 2011-07-14T19:35:57 above 4 it becomes too chaotic 2011-07-14T19:36:22 2-4 would be a good balance 2011-07-14T19:37:00 i think making it so that bots that control more territory get more food or score would be fun 2011-07-14T19:37:32 there should be an incentive to hold something 2011-07-14T19:37:55 i want to see king of the hill or something 2011-07-14T19:38:01 maybe with a moving hill 2011-07-14T19:38:24 hold the hill for n turns, you get a point, it moves to somewhere else 2011-07-14T19:39:08 i dunno 2011-07-14T19:39:18 i think this game is just about the worst combination of features we could have thought up 2011-07-14T19:39:47 not that that's stopping me from participating, so i guess that's still saying something 2011-07-14T19:39:59 but it could just be that i'm holding out hope that we will actually improve it 2011-07-14T19:48:02 yea 2011-07-14T19:48:09 this game is not half as interesting as planetwars 2011-07-14T19:48:25 which IMO was not half as interesting as tron 2011-07-14T19:48:45 despite tron being much simpler 2011-07-14T19:49:16 not sure about tron since i didn' take part in that one 2011-07-14T20:01:43 *** Chris_0076