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2011-07-25T13:23:16  <bhasker> morning
2011-07-25T13:52:27  <iouri_> is there any specific newline convention used here?  Or should I assume that it can be any of \n, \r\n and \r?
2011-07-25T13:53:11  <amstan> iouri_: it's definatelly one of those and not some alien one
2011-07-25T13:53:25  <iouri_> ok, thanks
2011-07-25T13:54:30  <amstan> it's probably going to be \n
2011-07-25T13:54:47  <amstan> but sometimes we have to go with \r\n because of windows
2011-07-25T13:54:51  <amstan> \r is probably rare
2011-07-25T13:56:53  <iouri_> ah, thanks.  I'll just check for all of them, it's not that expensive.
2011-07-25T13:57:31  <amstan> what language?
2011-07-25T13:57:36  <iouri_> c++
2011-07-25T13:57:38  <amstan> see what the starter package does
2011-07-25T13:57:49  <iouri_> ok
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2011-07-25T14:40:12  <hacklash> what's keeping the contest from moving out of beta?
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2011-07-25T14:57:06  <janzert> contestbot: later tell amstan trying to do a git pull on the beta server it complains about changes to ants/play_one_game.cmd. I tried doing git checkout -- ants/play_one_game.cmd to get it back to the right state but it didn't help
2011-07-25T14:57:06  <contestbot> janzert: I think that worked...
2011-07-25T14:57:35  <janzert> hacklash: the major obstacle right now is problems with the ranking and matchup system
2011-07-25T14:58:09  <hacklash> ok
2011-07-25T14:58:38  <hacklash> i went on vacation 3 weeks ago and expected to contest to have started in earnest by the time i got back
2011-07-25T14:58:48  <hacklash> oh well
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2011-07-25T15:10:45  <hacklash> what techniques are leading to the spread out colonies that avoid fighting? game trees?
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2011-07-25T15:37:31  <amstan> Guys, look out for a Stephen Ehmann
2011-07-25T15:37:39  <amstan> he's from nvidia, interested in the contest
2011-07-25T15:39:32  <jbroman> amstan: Congrats on reading your email as frequently as I do. :P
2011-07-25T15:39:55  <amstan> jbroman: it's kinda hard not to when pidgin flashes as soon as i login
2011-07-25T15:45:11  <jbroman> amstan: Also the wiki should perhaps not list Ants as a "Winter 2011" game, since it's nearly August. :P
2011-07-25T15:45:21  <jbroman> Unless you mean December, of course.
2011-07-25T15:45:44  <amstan> yeah... we really need a time designation system that is immune to time passing by
2011-07-25T15:45:57  <amstan> which isn't really possible..
2011-07-25T15:46:30  <amstan> apparently we'll get more action on thursday when mcleopold comes back
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2011-07-25T15:46:48  <jbroman> amstan: Natural numbers?
2011-07-25T15:46:59  <jbroman> i.e. Contest number n, n \in N
2011-07-25T15:46:59  <amstan> that could work
2011-07-25T15:47:07  <janzert> amstan: did you get a chance to straighten git out on the server?
2011-07-25T15:47:23  <amstan> janzert: when did it need straightening?
2011-07-25T15:47:41  <janzert> a few hours ago, I told contestbot to message you later :}
2011-07-25T15:47:55  <janzert> "trying to do a git pull on the beta server it complains about changes to ants/play_one_game.cmd. I tried doing git checkout -- ants/play_one_game.cmd to get it back to the right state but it didn't help"
2011-07-25T15:47:58  <amstan> janzert: oh, i probably missed it, i was reconnecting a lot since i was at school
2011-07-25T15:48:09  <amstan> you just want a pull?
2011-07-25T15:48:21  <janzert> that's all I was trying to do yes
2011-07-25T15:49:42  <janzert> it kinda looked like it might be a newline conversion problem
2011-07-25T15:50:11  <janzert> and was getting it confused into thinking the file was modified
2011-07-25T15:51:52  <amstan> man.. it really doesn't like me
2011-07-25T15:58:43  <amstan> janzert: almost
2011-07-25T15:59:20  <amstan> janzert: though, i seem to have reset /manager/jskills/JSkills_0.9.0.jar
2011-07-25T15:59:39  <amstan> janzert: for some reason it wasn't the same as the one in the repo before i starter
2011-07-25T15:59:41  <amstan> started*
2011-07-25T16:00:00  <janzert> yeah, I had modified it so it didn't crash quite as often
2011-07-25T16:00:07  <janzert> but it wasn't real fix and still crashed
2011-07-25T16:00:23  <janzert> so never ended up committing it
2011-07-25T16:00:32  <amstan> right now the only changes besides the website are modified:   ../manager/trueskill (modified content)
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2011-07-25T16:00:43  <amstan> not sure what's going on there, i'll just leave it as is
2011-07-25T16:01:08  <janzert> I'm happy so long as pull works again ;)
2011-07-25T16:01:46  <amstan> i git fetchd
2011-07-25T16:01:52  <janzert> trueskill should probably be removed from the repository since we don't use it and it produced worse results than jskill :/
2011-07-25T16:02:19  <amstan> then to merge i did git reset origin/epsilon then git checkout epsilon
2011-07-25T16:02:27  <amstan> maybe a -f for the checkout
2011-07-25T16:02:51  <amstan> i still don't know why that trueskill implementation is bad
2011-07-25T16:02:53  * janzert wonders how it got so confused
2011-07-25T16:03:31  <janzert> yeah, I don't know what the cause is just that the results from it don't agree with the online calculator results
2011-07-25T16:03:56  <amstan> do you have a sample?
2011-07-25T16:04:12  <amstan> i would have submitted a bug report with this
2011-07-25T16:04:16  <amstan> but i didn't have the data
2011-07-25T16:04:35  <janzert> I think everything I tried was different
2011-07-25T16:04:52  <jbroman> amstan: I take it you'll follow up on the NVIDIA guy's further questions?
2011-07-25T16:05:00  <amstan> jbroman: yes
2011-07-25T16:05:22  <janzert> test_trueskill.py in the manager directory has one test that differed
2011-07-25T16:05:58  <janzert> at least I'm fairly certain it did
2011-07-25T16:06:11  <amstan> antimatroid1: do you remember any pw enthusiasts that wanted to keep playing after the contest? anything happened to them? a tcp server maybe?
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2011-07-25T16:25:06  <CIA-48> aichallenge: Alexandru Stan epsilon * rb74f700 / .gitattributes : made sure .cmd files are always crlf - https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/commit/b74f700e53ab272e9a120eb55252c9c7506dc222
2011-07-25T16:29:11  <jbroman> amstan: It really needs eol=eol=crlf (with the two "eol="s)?
2011-07-25T16:29:23  <amstan> you serious?
2011-07-25T16:29:29  <jbroman> This was a question.
2011-07-25T16:29:31  <jbroman> You had two in there.
2011-07-25T16:29:45  <jbroman> I was asking whether that was necessary.
2011-07-25T16:29:59  <CIA-48> aichallenge: Alexandru Stan epsilon * r0d25924 / .gitattributes : ugh... pasting stuff twice - https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/commit/0d25924aa690e3d76d353a977c71b4d064cc1fcc
2011-07-25T16:30:16  <jbroman> Cool.
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2011-07-25T21:30:28  <mleise> amstan: I added eol=crlf to some .gitattribute file a while back
2011-07-25T21:33:54  <mleise> That was when I updated the make file for tools.zip. I just want to make sure we don't have duplicate stuff in there now.
2011-07-25T21:34:19  <amstan> mleise: i added it for *.cmd
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2011-07-25T21:43:48  <mleise> yeah me too
2011-07-25T21:44:14  <mleise> because when zipped from a linux machine the line endings turned into unix-style and that didn't work on windows
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2011-07-25T22:10:51  <agweber> Oh my! I happen to have a question regarding the Ants python quickstart kit, would there happen to be anyone who could answer my question online?
2011-07-25T22:11:02  <agweber> I'll ask anyway
2011-07-25T22:12:24  <agweber> food_visible(self) 'return a list of all visible food locations'    Now, does this return locations of food after fog of war is added for all ants, or is this a list of food visible to whichever ant I'm cycling through? I have a feeling it's the prior
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