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It looks like that shaved off a BIG deal of my CPU load when browsing Youtube, especiall when I load some playlist to listen to music and do other things without actually watching the videos. 2011-08-01T03:21:51 On a different note there is currently a discussion about the possibility of a language parser builder in the standard library in D. One that is fed with definitions like: 'if' is followed by '(' an expression, a ')' and a 'code block'. 2011-08-01T03:25:23 I like these ideas, because you can write your programs in a very clean way then. Instead of lots of string tokenizing, ifs, switches recursion and the like you just put down the definition of a language you want to parse. You most probably lose some performance compared to a hand-written parser, but on the other hand debugging a 'definition' should be much easier. 2011-08-01T03:25:54 heheh 2011-08-01T03:25:56 sorry 2011-08-01T03:26:08 lisp has macros for like many years 2011-08-01T03:26:19 Someone already wrote an object <-> database binding, turning "CREATE TABLE ..." sql commands into machine code :) 2011-08-01T03:27:15 mcstar: Yeah other languages have that already and Perl would come to mind as well 2011-08-01T03:27:45 paul graham says lisp has macros since the mid 1960s 2011-08-01T03:28:24 vdpau? 2011-08-01T03:28:28 is that it? 2011-08-01T03:28:53 its supported from the 8th series upwards 2011-08-01T03:29:04 mcstar: yes, that is it, one more thing that Gentoo didn't tell me and I overlooked it for years. Same goes for libreoffice. I was still using the outdated openoffice :p 2011-08-01T03:29:05 unfortunately i had a 7300 2011-08-01T03:29:32 well, arch upgraded to libre just recently 2011-08-01T03:29:43 *** ltriant has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep) 2011-08-01T03:29:51 i remmeber a couple of months ago it did that 2011-08-01T03:30:11 i looked wth? another slow office? sure, why not 2011-08-01T03:30:31 fortunately i dont use them at all 2011-08-01T03:30:44 but you know, sometimes i come across a doc or xls.... 2011-08-01T03:31:24 *** jako has joined #aichallenge 2011-08-01T03:31:41 now i startes to set up my cuda development environment, and i faced with a problem: 2011-08-01T03:31:53 cuda needs gcc <= 4.X 2011-08-01T03:32:00 ah 2011-08-01T03:32:04 I actually use Writer now and then, but I hate that the Gentoo ebuild doesn't offer use flags for the other parts. I'd definitly disable database and drawing functionality 2011-08-01T03:32:05 <=4.4.X 2011-08-01T03:32:43 mleise: arent you tired of configuring every package in such details? 2011-08-01T03:32:44 oh... and maybe also an outdated glibc 2011-08-01T03:33:06 i might have asked this before... 2011-08-01T03:33:16 mcstar: no, because libreoffice takes literally hours to compile ... which is arguably again the 'fault' of using gentoo :p 2011-08-01T03:34:53 mcstar: There are other use flags that I consider 'details'. Like 'minimal' on nano. It makes nano unaware of terminal resizing :p. Yes, I tried it 2011-08-01T03:35:15 hm 2011-08-01T03:35:19 im 2011-08-01T03:35:25 im perplexed 2011-08-01T03:35:51 i mean nano? 2011-08-01T03:36:13 and paying attention to such details requires a mental process 2011-08-01T03:36:13 nano the tiny little text editor, yes it can become even tinier and more minimalistic 2011-08-01T03:36:29 i mean doesnt it make you tired and angry? 2011-08-01T03:36:31 :D 2011-08-01T03:36:39 i would make me 2011-08-01T03:37:00 well, recently i compiled emacs, to change 1 flag 2011-08-01T03:37:22 i wo...->it wou.. 2011-08-01T03:37:23 I was recompiling my system to 64-bit. While I could cook and iron clothes and the like I also checked some of the use flags. 2011-08-01T03:37:41 :) 2011-08-01T03:37:53 Practically I think I should now have an awesome low memory footprint, right? 2011-08-01T03:38:03 what size do you wear? 2011-08-01T03:38:20 i have 43 sized feet 2011-08-01T03:38:38 -.- me too 2011-08-01T03:38:53 not that low, is it? 2011-08-01T03:38:59 and i didnt change my flags 2011-08-01T03:39:20 clearly you are a computer-enthusisast 2011-08-01T03:39:25 enthusiast 2011-08-01T03:40:02 I figure there are worse passions, but better ones as well :p 2011-08-01T03:41:43 i had a terrible week the last week 2011-08-01T03:41:53 i started on a new job 2011-08-01T03:42:02 that's not that bad 2011-08-01T03:42:12 (well, new assignment, same place) 2011-08-01T03:42:31 and my old machine's hdd had problems, lost my data 2011-08-01T03:42:32 oh that's more the mediocre type of 'new' 2011-08-01T03:42:46 shit, make backups! 2011-08-01T03:42:57 then, on wednesday, my mother got hit my a car 2011-08-01T03:43:02 by 2011-08-01T03:43:15 i was visiting the hospital 2011-08-01T03:43:15 did she get injured? 2011-08-01T03:43:27 sort of, fortunately not really bad 2011-08-01T03:43:34 concussion 2011-08-01T03:43:42 and contusions? 2011-08-01T03:43:55 im not sure of the right word 2011-08-01T03:44:12 then i had bad sectors on my drive at home 2011-08-01T03:44:49 so i was recovering data, and running badblocks and smart self tests the weekend 2011-08-01T03:45:12 Did you lose anything important? 2011-08-01T03:45:22 *** ibdkno___ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-08-01T03:46:06 on my work machine, now everything is gone, but i stored mainly things like star trek the next generation, house m.d. and a couple of bluray movies on it 2011-08-01T03:46:23 700gb of entertainment 2011-08-01T03:46:47 oh crap! and you can't even blame your boss for the bad hardware 2011-08-01T03:46:50 but i had a couple 100 mbs of important data too 2011-08-01T03:47:27 well, they were using wdc caviar green's, a lot of them 2011-08-01T03:47:35 and at one point they started to die 2011-08-01T03:47:40 sigh, I'd be down from that too. It takes a long time to acquire 700gb of movies/music 2011-08-01T03:47:52 the lost quite a few of them, with simulation data on them 2011-08-01T03:48:00 they* 2011-08-01T03:48:15 it was a faulty series 2011-08-01T03:48:19 caviar hdd hmm... actually I heard about them dying like 5 years ago 2011-08-01T03:48:21 the drive kept parking the heads 2011-08-01T03:48:37 they were <2 years old i think 2011-08-01T03:48:40 but im not sure 2011-08-01T03:48:52 fuckno 2011-08-01T03:48:56 1 year old 2011-08-01T03:48:59 yes 2011-08-01T03:49:11 but, mine doesnt have that problem 2011-08-01T03:49:44 seems that sometimes hangs the sata controller, and the system cant see the drive anymore, the surface seemed ok 2011-08-01T03:50:02 i think it has a problem in the pcb 2011-08-01T03:50:06 doesnt matter 2011-08-01T03:50:28 i had a caviar green at home too, slightly different model 2011-08-01T03:50:34 Oo 2011-08-01T03:51:04 are they called green because they save energy by parking the heads all the time? 2011-08-01T03:51:11 3 bad sectors appeared on it, but a 15 full badblocks test fixed it, they arent listed as bad blocks, and the reallocation count is 0 2011-08-01T03:51:17 no :) 2011-08-01T03:51:22 that was a fault 2011-08-01T03:51:40 they parked the head in every couple of seconds 2011-08-01T03:51:53 im not sure how did the guys miss it though 2011-08-01T03:52:04 that gives off sound doesnt it? 2011-08-01T03:52:06 *** Palmik has joined #aichallenge 2011-08-01T03:52:11 nvm 2011-08-01T03:52:25 hell, 15 hours of* 2011-08-01T03:52:56 so i bought a samsung 1.5tb drive, and now this is givng me ecc errors 2011-08-01T03:52:59 *** sir_macelon has joined #aichallenge 2011-08-01T03:53:16 lol, what is it with you and hdds? 2011-08-01T03:53:26 the wdc's dont have those fields in their smart's 2011-08-01T03:53:58 i think this is quite common, the error occurs in the tranfer from the drive to the contrller 2011-08-01T03:54:05 hmm I had strange corruptions in text files when I resored a backup once 2011-08-01T03:54:40 in december i lost a samsung sata, before that, i my wdc caviar black got corrupted 2011-08-01T03:54:58 so you can imagine that i hate computers 2011-08-01T03:55:22 Ok, before that happens to me... is there a way to scan an USB disk for bad sectors? 2011-08-01T03:55:30 sure 2011-08-01T03:55:57 the best is: badblocks -swv -t random /dev/something 2011-08-01T03:56:00 even with marking bad sectors and all the usual stuff? 2011-08-01T03:56:11 well, i reda about it now 2011-08-01T03:56:28 and this command doesn't overwrite any data? 2011-08-01T03:56:29 oyu can mark sectors on the ext* family 2011-08-01T03:56:36 yes it does 2011-08-01T03:56:38 thats the point 2011-08-01T03:56:40 -w 2011-08-01T03:56:49 its destructive, but its more reliable 2011-08-01T03:56:58 mcstar: ok so it is a filesystem feature, I remember from the DOS days that HDDs have their own bad sector list 2011-08-01T03:57:00 you can use -n, it doesnt destroy data then 2011-08-01T03:57:06 wait 2011-08-01T03:57:13 you can, but thats a last resort 2011-08-01T03:57:21 you have to run a full smart self-test 2011-08-01T03:57:35 smart on usb? i doubt that works 2011-08-01T03:57:35 smartctl -t long /dev/somedrive 2011-08-01T03:57:48 i think that works if youre lucks 2011-08-01T03:57:50 y 2011-08-01T03:57:56 it supposed to 2011-08-01T03:58:22 but yeah, there are compilcations, the best is to pull it from its cage ant put it in the machine 2011-08-01T03:58:29 ant 2011-08-01T03:58:31 hehe 2011-08-01T03:58:34 ;) 2011-08-01T03:58:53 well, maybe windows has better support for that idk 2011-08-01T03:59:37 but you could do the badblocks test, it will take long 2011-08-01T03:59:53 just use -svn 2011-08-01T04:00:11 svn version of smartctl? 2011-08-01T04:00:17 -s -v -n 2011-08-01T04:00:17 ah no, ok 2011-08-01T04:01:38 please wait 106 minutes, hmm 2011-08-01T04:01:58 i learned one thing: dont use a filesystem youre not familiar with 2011-08-01T04:02:09 this means, i will only be using extX 2011-08-01T04:02:25 320gb? 2011-08-01T04:02:45 nono 2011-08-01T04:02:49 500 right? 2011-08-01T04:03:03 I switched to ext4 when it was reportedly stable enough and I can wait that long for btrfs. The disk size is 250 GB ;) 2011-08-01T04:03:15 oh 2011-08-01T04:03:23 it said 120 min for my 500 2011-08-01T04:03:28 and 255 for my 1.5tb 2011-08-01T04:04:00 is it your main drive? 2011-08-01T04:04:04 not the usb one right? 2011-08-01T04:04:23 smartctl -a /dev/* 2011-08-01T04:04:34 but i guess you knew that 2011-08-01T04:04:34 "Western Digital Scorpio Blue" what a wonderful name 2011-08-01T04:04:42 laptop 2011-08-01T04:05:00 uh yes, laptop and this is the main drive 2011-08-01T04:05:24 what do I do *after* 106 minutes? 2011-08-01T04:05:35 ? 2011-08-01T04:05:41 what do you mean? 2011-08-01T04:05:49 the thing you did before that? 2011-08-01T04:06:17 ironing, baking, cooking, vacumming 2011-08-01T04:06:17 lol, no smartctl started the self-test, but where can I read the results 2011-08-01T04:06:26 i said it 2011-08-01T04:06:29 smartctl -a 2011-08-01T04:06:55 it should say test is in progress 2011-08-01T04:07:08 scroll up 2011-08-01T04:07:45 i found notebook hdds more reliable so far 2011-08-01T04:08:16 mleise: you can do whatever while the test is running 2011-08-01T04:08:36 but i dont recommend heavy hdd load, because the test will slow down 2011-08-01T04:08:57 and when the test completes, you should obviously see no errors 2011-08-01T04:09:15 no bad blocks, no reallocations, no pending sectors 2011-08-01T04:10:03 oh, there is a graphical front-end, palimpsest 2011-08-01T04:10:32 gnome-disk-utility is the package on arch 2011-08-01T04:13:40 ah thx, that's actually a good gui. there is also GSmartControl 2011-08-01T04:14:24 btw, you cant entirely rely on smart to anticipate errors 2011-08-01T04:14:31 i read the google-report 2011-08-01T04:15:01 it is quite enlightening, and there is not much more reports like that(ive seen none another) 2011-08-01T04:15:22 the one problem, for trademark reasosn, it doesnt mention specific models/vendors 2011-08-01T04:16:37 worst value for temperature: 84°C ... what?!? I hope that is a bug 2011-08-01T04:17:24 :) 2011-08-01T04:17:32 lowest? 2011-08-01T04:17:52 no idea 2011-08-01T04:18:01 oh, is it the upper bound? or the experienced upper value? 2011-08-01T04:18:11 they are different, is it in the last column? 2011-08-01T04:20:00 *** locutus3 has joined #aichallenge 2011-08-01T04:20:07 all in all, the good thins is that i found the bills of my wdc hdd, so when i see a problem again, ill take it back to the store 2011-08-01T04:20:10 I'm using GSmartTools, and it is the 'worst' column 2011-08-01T04:20:21 hm 2011-08-01T04:20:28 i cant say without seeing it 2011-08-01T04:20:29 the norm-ed value is 97° 2011-08-01T04:20:35 i mean those can be confusing 2011-08-01T04:20:50 what could 'old age' and 'pre-failure' mean 2011-08-01T04:21:13 tipical reason for that value to increase 2011-08-01T04:21:31 ah, thx 2011-08-01T04:22:35 only the raw spinup time looks odd: 1508 2011-08-01T04:22:53 norm-ed: 189 2011-08-01T04:23:00 ms 2011-08-01T04:23:04 1508 ms 2011-08-01T04:23:28 dont pay attention to that normed value 2011-08-01T04:23:38 i dont know who is Norm 2011-08-01T04:23:57 how do I know what is considered 'too long' then :p 2011-08-01T04:25:45 you simply shouldnt care 2011-08-01T04:26:09 but I want to care about details 2011-08-01T04:26:11 the important fields are the ones i told you about 2011-08-01T04:26:25 mleise: well, that your problem now 2011-08-01T04:26:28 read up 2011-08-01T04:26:35 :D 2011-08-01T04:27:42 hmm 2011-08-01T04:28:01 i hope the self test will be self explanatory 2011-08-01T04:30:12 *** sir_macelon has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-08-01T04:30:52 if it runs ok, then you wont see a difference 2011-08-01T04:30:58 hehe 2011-08-01T04:31:49 theres no fireworks on your desktop saying: you are a real hero, you are smart-a-ok 2011-08-01T04:32:30 yeah I wasn't expecting that. 2011-08-01T04:33:24 But since this is a gnome gui application i DO expect a dialog saying "no errors" 2011-08-01T04:33:28 (im exaggerating, because i am.... still funny) 2011-08-01T04:33:49 you initiated the test from the console 2011-08-01T04:33:52 you are funny like someone who is really pissed 2011-08-01T04:34:14 mcstar: but then I over-initiated it from palim... whatever 2011-08-01T04:34:43 :S 2011-08-01T04:34:54 :< 2011-08-01T04:34:55 and I also have GSmartControl running at the same time 2011-08-01T04:34:58 it will say disk is healthy in green 2011-08-01T04:35:26 but otherwise, you can run it as a daemon or whatever 2011-08-01T04:35:33 i think ubuntu does this by default 2011-08-01T04:35:46 and it alerts you by desktop notifications if somethings wrong 2011-08-01T04:36:11 mcstar: yes that's a great feature, it told me my battery was dying, 2 days before it did die 2011-08-01T04:36:21 lucky you 2011-08-01T04:36:32 damn thing made you buy a new battery 2011-08-01T04:36:45 i didn't :p it is a desktop replacement 2011-08-01T04:37:04 the one thing it didnt tell you, is that it MADE the battery die, by running in the background 2011-08-01T04:37:10 I don't want to pay 200+ € for a new battery 2011-08-01T04:37:33 expensive things 2011-08-01T04:37:50 hehe, no the battery really died from bad quality, high temperatures and low discharging 2011-08-01T04:38:02 (i was kidding again as always) 2011-08-01T04:38:16 pfff, i need to get back and get a working gcc 2011-08-01T04:38:18 mcstar: they are out of stock and 9 cell, so I can get them from a reseller now for twice the price 2011-08-01T04:38:30 :S:S:S 2011-08-01T04:38:37 really? 2011-08-01T04:38:45 really -.- it makes me sad 2011-08-01T04:38:52 i can imagine 2011-08-01T04:39:46 the problem is that we are fed bullshit 2011-08-01T04:40:10 they made us believe that whatwe are using are actually good things 2011-08-01T04:40:24 then we are disapointed when something bad happens 2011-08-01T04:41:05 everything is really, of quite bad quality 2011-08-01T04:41:11 That's absolutly right. Especially with this dell laptop that was advertised with the gfx card and processor + gadgets like fingerprint and camera 2011-08-01T04:41:15 doesnt matter what is printed on its side 2011-08-01T04:41:46 the first day i had to get a ram stick replaced, then the left speaker died, then the battery 2011-08-01T04:41:58 now the left mouse button 2011-08-01T04:42:06 looks like you win the lottery brother 2011-08-01T04:42:11 *** Naktibalda has joined #aichallenge 2011-08-01T04:42:42 well the mouse button still works, it just dosn't have feedback any more 2011-08-01T04:42:53 so I guess that's second place in the lottery 2011-08-01T04:42:59 ah, good, i was soo worried :) 2011-08-01T04:43:15 otherwise it would be a Mac *hint* :p 2011-08-01T04:43:42 well, yeah, they arent really better 2011-08-01T04:43:55 and when that breaks down, you are even more disappointed 2011-08-01T04:44:01 but they ARE expensive and use only intel quality hardware? 2011-08-01T04:44:09 pfff 2011-08-01T04:44:15 they are pc 2011-08-01T04:44:28 yes, intel pc with expensive hardware 2011-08-01T04:44:33 or is it the apple logo? 2011-08-01T04:44:43 no, the genius service 2011-08-01T04:45:06 they have a boot loader in the bios though that works with the os, so you cannot install MacOS without hacks on a PC 2011-08-01T04:45:08 they need money to keep dumb-asses in business 2011-08-01T04:45:40 osx expects efi 2011-08-01T04:45:48 the bootloader, i.e. 2011-08-01T04:46:05 but the os needs some kind of identification chip 2011-08-01T04:46:15 that is not on conventional motherboards 2011-08-01T04:46:18 thats why the hack is needed 2011-08-01T04:46:49 but recent motherboards support efi now 2011-08-01T04:47:00 i even used gpt instead of mbr 2011-08-01T04:47:09 it has a couple of nice features 2011-08-01T04:47:18 but i had to used grub1.99 with it 2011-08-01T04:47:23 gpt... yes. I didn't dare convert my HDD 2011-08-01T04:47:30 its alright 2011-08-01T04:47:37 even windows can use it 2011-08-01T04:47:42 but cant boot from it 2011-08-01T04:47:57 not even win7, that a bit lame 2011-08-01T04:48:16 hmm, I figure it gives each partition a GUID, that can be used by Grup 2011-08-01T04:48:18 *grub 2011-08-01T04:48:22 thats why those mac something is needed if you want to install win on a mac pc 2011-08-01T04:48:38 not parallels 2011-08-01T04:48:52 but some other things i cant remember but you know it 2011-08-01T04:49:32 mleise: no, not that is important(guid) 2011-08-01T04:49:50 the thing is, that it has a little partition, that stores information of all other partitions 2011-08-01T04:50:08 and basically you can sort of unlimited sized partitions and many of them 2011-08-01T04:50:19 that fits modern age requirements 2011-08-01T04:50:29 mbr was very limited 2011-08-01T04:50:32 as you know it 2011-08-01T04:50:47 but that's no different from a dozen logical partitions 2011-08-01T04:50:54 yes 2011-08-01T04:51:00 dont ask how 2011-08-01T04:51:22 i read up when i did that a year ago? but i sort of forgot them 2011-08-01T04:51:30 i was convinced that its a nice thing 2011-08-01T04:51:41 and its pretty mature 2011-08-01T04:51:50 all I'm really interested in is the cheap partition ID to boot from (without loading an initrd root first and using udev to label disks) 2011-08-01T04:51:56 you only need the right tools to use it now 2011-08-01T04:52:15 ah 2011-08-01T04:52:21 mcstar: so you say it is safe to just convert the disk and reboot? 2011-08-01T04:52:30 yes, i remember something like that, efi solved that right? 2011-08-01T04:52:47 so its not gpt that provides that functionality but efi 2011-08-01T04:52:50 efi.... I don't even know what that really is and if I have it 2011-08-01T04:52:58 its like a better bios 2011-08-01T04:53:23 mac's always had them (well, not efi, but a similar thing) 2011-08-01T04:53:31 openfirmware 2011-08-01T04:53:44 did you use it? i messed with it on my powerbook 2011-08-01T04:53:54 its very advanced, compared to bios 2011-08-01T04:54:04 and efi is something like that for pc's 2011-08-01T04:54:16 but not compatible with it 2011-08-01T04:54:31 no i did not use any firmware except for the binary for my wlan 2011-08-01T04:55:15 nono 2011-08-01T04:55:20 did you have an old mac? 2011-08-01T04:55:45 hm, im not sure when did they changed this though 2011-08-01T04:55:54 maybe the first intels had them too 2011-08-01T04:56:03 its the gray screen 2011-08-01T04:56:19 you can hold option control f o 2011-08-01T04:56:36 and the opnfirmware comes up, a command line interface 2011-08-01T04:56:56 where you can manage everyhting: boot loading, query devices, ports, any hardware 2011-08-01T04:56:58 access disks 2011-08-01T04:57:10 thats why i say very advanced 2011-08-01T04:57:24 it has a whole language of its own 2011-08-01T04:57:42 mcstar: no i never had a mac, only pc 2011-08-01T04:57:44 and now they have efi, and recently pc motherboards have them too 2011-08-01T04:57:58 workstations ahd them for some time too 2011-08-01T04:58:10 mleise: wtf? i thought you had a mac 2011-08-01T04:58:19 you talked about it as if you had one 2011-08-01T04:58:40 i dont mean now, but previously 2011-08-01T04:58:41 lol, our graphics dude at the office had one 2011-08-01T04:59:15 ok, then i will talk bullshit now, and dont pay attention to the details, since you cant check 2011-08-01T04:59:57 I'm just not ignorant to what is happening on the Mac-side and I know people who use Mac. 2011-08-01T05:00:13 I remember the times of one mouse button and when IE was supported on Mac 2011-08-01T05:00:32 ich bin dein fater, Luke.... 2011-08-01T05:00:59 wow, almost right, but with a V instead of an f 2011-08-01T05:01:09 ah, sry 2011-08-01T05:01:47 hmm how do i check for efi support? /proc/efi ? :p 2011-08-01T05:02:02 you dont have it 2011-08-01T05:02:06 :D 2011-08-01T05:02:09 im quite sure 2011-08-01T05:02:26 expensive desktop motherboards have it 2011-08-01T05:02:42 :-/ at least it is part of IA64, so it cannot be too exotic 2011-08-01T05:03:15 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-08-01T05:03:25 hmm no /sys/firmware/efi 2011-08-01T05:04:04 In 2011 Asus and MSI launched several consumer-based motherboards using the Intel LGA 1155 chipset with EFI.[31] 2011-08-01T05:05:10 mleise: efi is like a complete bios replacement 2011-08-01T05:05:18 so its a big change 2011-08-01T05:05:38 but linux supports it on specific hardware, from 200X 2011-08-01T05:05:55 read up on the wiki, i cant tell you any-different 2011-08-01T05:06:04 sounds cool. I'll compile my kernel with EFI and see what happens 2011-08-01T05:06:19 mleise: it seems you dont get what im saying 2011-08-01T05:06:22 if I don't have it, I wont bother 2011-08-01T05:06:29 you DONT have it :D 2011-08-01T05:06:35 but how do you know? 2011-08-01T05:06:55 it not spread among consumer motherboards at all 2011-08-01T05:07:04 :-( 2011-08-01T05:07:10 and much less among laptop motherboards 2011-08-01T05:07:24 only high quality workstations have it for quite some time 2011-08-01T05:07:31 read up 2011-08-01T05:07:34 hey, i gtg 2011-08-01T05:07:43 i mean i have to deal with my work now 2011-08-01T05:08:03 good luck with smart 2011-08-01T05:09:00 ok thx & bye 2011-08-01T05:10:12 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has joined #aichallenge 2011-08-01T05:19:11 *** rabidus has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-08-01T05:24:52 *** rabidus has joined #aichallenge 2011-08-01T05:36:39 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-08-01T06:06:41 *** antimatroid has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-08-01T06:07:02 *** sigh_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-08-01T06:10:23 *** sigh has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-08-01T06:12:42 *** antimatroid has joined #aichallenge 2011-08-01T06:16:04 *** hamburg has joined #aichallenge 2011-08-01T06:24:37 *** hamburg has quit IRC (Quit: hamburg) 2011-08-01T07:10:46 *** Eruonen has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-08-01T07:17:13 *** hamburg has joined #aichallenge 2011-08-01T07:23:13 *** mad_man has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-08-01T07:24:10 *** mcstar has left #aichallenge ("WeeChat 0.3.5") 2011-08-01T07:35:39 http://www.quantcup.org/home/ 2011-08-01T07:35:43 wish i knew of that earlier :\ 2011-08-01T07:41:27 *** vdp|afk is now known as vdp 2011-08-01T07:44:26 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2011-08-01T07:46:12 *** onensora