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2011-08-27T03:24:00  <delt0r_> well I am starting the AntManager/Server today... lets hope it does not take too long
2011-08-27T03:28:49  <delt0r_> Soo... the starter packages don't include a gameplayer?
2011-08-27T03:41:43  <delt0r_> ImportError: No module named ordereddict --mm what version of python does the tools need?
2011-08-27T03:54:07  <delt0r_> seems i need python 2.7 --snap
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2011-08-27T04:20:11  <delt0r_> mm
2011-08-27T04:20:23  <delt0r_> broke all python installing 2.7
2011-08-27T04:20:28  <delt0r_> oh funzor
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2011-08-27T06:02:29  <antimatroid> delt0r_: :)
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2011-08-27T07:20:20  <delt0r_> antimatroid !
2011-08-27T07:20:34  <antimatroid> delt0r_: @
2011-08-27T07:20:49  <delt0r_> antimatroid: #
2011-08-27T07:21:09  <antimatroid> :P
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2011-08-27T07:25:27  <delt0r_> in the map format
2011-08-27T07:25:37  <delt0r_> what is water? ? *
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2011-08-27T08:07:14  <antimatroid> delt0r_: water is % i think, * food
2011-08-27T08:07:22  <delt0r_> right
2011-08-27T08:07:43  <antimatroid> i would have preferred # but pythoners :P
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2011-08-27T09:11:04  <eashoka> Good Morning/Evening !
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2011-08-27T10:49:22  <delt0r_> sorry folks --didn't make much progress yet... probably won't be finished this weekend
2011-08-27T10:59:36  <eashoka> delt0r_ : Thanks for trying
2011-08-27T11:07:36  <eashoka> delt0r_ : why does all other bots seem to play only with handful of few selected bots ? that could be the reason for disparity in rate of play among bots. recently have see even the choice of maps get restricted over time. For instance, sir_macelon gets to play in only 4 maps now.
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2011-08-27T12:25:00  <mleise> eashoka: Interesting, only height_map_7 & 8 are played by sir_macelon but the opponents change.
2011-08-27T12:25:55  <mleise> it could also be that the game manager was explicitly looking for 2 player maps and only these two are available
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2011-08-27T12:40:28  <eashoka> mleise : and it is getting worse. he used to play 4 maps till few days ago. same is true opponent wise as well. for instance, DarkMomoBot  was used to play all others till yesterday or so now it too is limited to play only few selected bots resulting other bots are now limited to a even smaller set of opponents.
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2011-08-27T12:57:24  <mleise> eashoka: again this might be a result of the ranking algorithm converging to a fixed order
2011-08-27T12:57:55  <mleise> I don't say it is good, but probably actually showing a healthy behaviour
2011-08-27T12:59:31  <mleise> The only bots that may really affect DarkMomoBot are these few remaining bots. It's gonna be difficult to change that, I could imagine.
2011-08-27T13:01:40  <mleise> Every player needs the same amount of games, but yet some players are already at a pretty much fixed rank. This might have lead to very small groups of players for each match. And that again results in 1vs1 matches on only two matching maps.
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2011-08-27T13:07:01  <eashoka> mleise :You are correct. However, I'm not sure it is a healthy behaviour. looks like a bug to me or an incorrect strategy. we didn't see this opponent locking behaviour in planet wars
2011-08-27T13:08:57  <mleise> we had more activity there
2011-08-27T13:09:38  <eashoka> look for any player (regardless of their rank, skill) who is not in this set and you will see that they are limited to play only with opponents in the given set. the set (which is shrinking) is :
2011-08-27T13:12:59  <eashoka> mleise : (mathis, revolt, UVants, Trumpet, barisdermerdelen, svenhelge, luda, humwum, speedy_consiles, eightball) I may have missed few bots but this seems to be it. (until recently , DarlMomoBot was also in this group) all players I have seen can not play with anybody else but these players. May be this is the bottleneck in the scheduling system.
2011-08-27T13:13:01  <mleise> mathis: eashoka, TrumpeT, HumWum, FlagCapper, integer, martinordi, Scpeedy_Co, GreenTea, barisdemir, kadiyaa, eightball, paratrechi, UvAntsBeta, DarkMomoBot, revolt, phillc
2011-08-27T13:13:06  <mleise> thats a lot of bots!
2011-08-27T13:14:10  <mleise> eashoka: from which player did you generate your list?
2011-08-27T13:14:35  <eashoka> mleise : eashoka, Flagcapper, kadiyya, darkmomo, greentea etc are NOT in the set actually.
2011-08-27T13:14:50  <mleise> they are in mathis' set
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2011-08-27T13:15:20  <eashoka> yes. mathis is in the set!
2011-08-27T13:15:35  <eashoka> mliese : you need to take someone who is not in the list
2011-08-27T13:16:01  <eashoka> take any player outside of the set I have given.
2011-08-27T13:16:19  <mleise> sir_macelon for example?
2011-08-27T13:16:24  <eashoka> yes
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2011-08-27T13:17:00  <mleise> ahrr, someone fix this sql please :p
2011-08-27T13:17:07  <eashoka> greentea, flagcapper, eashoka, paratrechina, kadiyya anybody....
2011-08-27T13:17:42  <mleise> i would need to find someone who plays something else but 1-on-1
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2011-08-27T13:21:57  <mleise> hmm, yeah it looks like some obvious opponents (with few games as well) are missing in your opponent set
2011-08-27T13:22:24  <mleise> smly-- would be a candidate I think
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2011-08-27T13:23:46  <eashoka> you mean he should also be in the set ? I havn't played him in ages though.
2011-08-27T13:24:50  <eashoka> I think he was in the set initially but got dropped like darkmomo has
2011-08-27T13:25:30  <mleise> I don't know anything about the match making code, sorry. But I see no obvious reason why you should not play that bot any more.
2011-08-27T13:27:36  <eashoka> yes. it looks like a bug isn't it? everybody in the system(who are not in the set X) can play only against members in set X. right now, set X is seems to be : ( mathis, revolt, UVants, Trumpet, barisdermerdelen, svenhelge, luda, humwum, speedy_consiles, eightball, zounds)
2011-08-27T13:28:57  <eashoka> only 12 bots! and set X too is keep shrinking. so do available maps for all who are outside of X
2011-08-27T13:30:49  <mleise> I don't believe there are fixed sets, but dmj111 or McLeopold probably know what the reason can be
2011-08-27T13:31:05  <eashoka> since everybody else is waiting until one from set X becomes available, they all have to wait for long durations. since opponents are limited, one drifts towards 1-1 games eventually.
2011-08-27T13:32:11  <eashoka> mleise : it is not a fixed set but a result of some bug, I think.
2011-08-27T13:33:08  <mleise> yeah so let's wait and dring a cup of tea :D
2011-08-27T13:33:57  <mleise> we should make a list with all the things that need to be looked upon by McLeopold when he returns
2011-08-27T13:34:05  <eashoka> mleise : yeah :-) I like Green Tea.
2011-08-27T13:34:36  <eashoka> mleise : ah, where has he gone?
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2011-08-27T14:16:57  <Obeleh> Heyall
2011-08-27T14:20:16  <eashoka> Obeleh : hi
2011-08-27T14:22:55  <Obeleh> Programming a bit... Trying to see how TCP works in C# :)
2011-08-27T14:29:34  <eashoka> obeleh : ah, to get your server up ? :-)
2011-08-27T14:31:37  <Obeleh> Small steps :P
2011-08-27T14:31:42  <Obeleh> I havent programmed any TCP before ;)
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2011-08-27T14:45:24  <eashoka> Ah the ranking page is up again!
2011-08-27T14:50:09  <Obeleh> Nice :)
2011-08-27T14:50:15  <Obeleh> #68 :D
2011-08-27T15:07:45  <eashoka> Obeleh : you are doing well and going up :-)
2011-08-27T15:09:26  <Obeleh> My bot has no offense... I'm kinda stuck on a piece of that ;)
2011-08-27T15:10:04  <Obeleh> I had something before but not adequate
2011-08-27T15:16:05  <eashoka> Obeleh : That's ok actually. most people do resource gathering and defense first and offence later. that makes sense too. I suggest to solve the case against a single lonely ant first and taking on group battles once you have mastered that.
2011-08-27T15:17:16  <Obeleh> Ah ill figure it out soon enough :)
2011-08-27T15:19:10  <eashoka> Obeleh : good luck!
2011-08-27T15:19:26  <Obeleh> http://ai-contest.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=593
2011-08-27T15:19:29  <Obeleh> thats me :P
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2011-08-27T15:25:04  <mcstar> my startegy guide: use a sharp knife, slice the tomatoes with that, but be careful not to cut your own hand, and remember: always eat cheese that hasnt expired yet, bon apetit
2011-08-27T15:26:38  <Obeleh> Wont work for me :P
2011-08-27T15:26:47  <Obeleh> I dont like tomatoes that much
2011-08-27T15:27:46  <mcstar> i die for them
2011-08-27T15:27:53  <mcstar> best vegetable ever
2011-08-27T15:28:23  <janzert> and worst fruit ever? :P
2011-08-27T15:28:47  <mcstar> anyway, it was an aforizm(?), my opinion about sharing ideas in general and strategies in particular
2011-08-27T15:29:06  <mcstar> janzert: i dont get it
2011-08-27T15:29:19  <mcstar> a tomato is clearly not a fruit
2011-08-27T15:30:00  <antimatroid> it is technically isn't it?
2011-08-27T15:30:06  <antimatroid> and a banana is a berry?
2011-08-27T15:30:15  <mcstar> oh, in that sense, yes
2011-08-27T15:30:16  <antimatroid> whilst a strawberry is not
2011-08-27T15:30:20  <mcstar> yeah
2011-08-27T15:30:24  <janzert> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato#Fruit_or_vegetable.3F ;)
2011-08-27T15:30:24  <mcstar> correct
2011-08-27T15:30:48  <janzert> but the US supreme court did declare it a vegetable at one point
2011-08-27T15:31:29  <mcstar> janzert: well, that article wont really change my opinion about tomato
2011-08-27T15:31:32  <antimatroid> lol, I love how the US just does whatever they want, regardless of whether it makes any sense :P
2011-08-27T15:31:37  <eashoka> yeah something like "economically a vegetable and biologically a fruit" I think
2011-08-27T15:31:39  <janzert> :)
2011-08-27T15:32:23  <mcstar> maybe 2 generations from now, people will call it a fruit, but i dont see that happing soon
2011-08-27T15:32:27  <janzert> to be fair it did specifically limit its ruling to whether or not the tomato was a fruit for the purpose of on specific tax law
2011-08-27T15:32:43  <mcstar> f' em
2011-08-27T15:33:06  <mcstar> it will turn out that i piss liquid gold, right?
2011-08-27T15:33:21  <mcstar> ill still call it piss
2011-08-27T15:34:01  <antimatroid> yeah, there is a supermarket here which changed it's name like 15 years ago, I still call it by the old one
2011-08-27T15:34:04  <antimatroid> i refuse to change
2011-08-27T15:34:35  <mcstar> good :)
2011-08-27T15:35:01  <mcstar> gov. of mne changed the name of an important square in the capital city
2011-08-27T15:35:09  <mcstar> old name was Moscow square
2011-08-27T15:35:26  <mcstar> so i can understand the reasoning behind the change :)
2011-08-27T15:35:37  <mcstar> but i still cant get used  to the new name
2011-08-27T15:35:58  <mcstar> its some poet or something, neber heard of it, but i knew where Moscow was
2011-08-27T15:36:04  <mcstar> b->v
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2011-08-27T15:40:43  <mcstar> janzert: thank you very much, if it werent for you, i'd still have no idea what an eggplant is
2011-08-27T15:41:08  <janzert> hehe
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