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2011-09-06T09:29:53 I wonder how challenging the assignments will be 2011-09-06T09:30:02 the aiclass twitter feed mentions 10h/week 2011-09-06T09:30:08 which is way more than I can spare 2011-09-06T09:37:37 I'm taking the basic track of aiclass.com 2011-09-06T09:43:41 I'll try to take the advanced track, but will probably have to switch to the basic track 2011-09-06T09:44:04 I can give it a try though, who knows, maybe I can sleep 10h a week and not die 2011-09-06T09:44:22 if the challenge starts during the ai-class, the challenge will go on the bak burner for me 2011-09-06T09:44:31 unfortunate timing 2011-09-06T10:04:56 if back burner is like after-burner than its a good thing :D 2011-09-06T10:06:37 aerique: im looking into clojure more deeply nowadays, maybe i can use its concurrency framework to my advantage simulating intelligent agents 2011-09-06T10:10:43 *** Cyndre has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T10:14:01 mcstar: traitor :) 2011-09-06T10:17:46 *** TTE has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T10:27:30 *** TTE has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-09-06T10:36:28 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-09-06T10:37:17 are facebook messages broken? 2011-09-06T10:37:22 or does facebook just hate me? 2011-09-06T10:37:46 it's been broken for hours for me :\ 2011-09-06T10:38:50 antimatroid: use email 2011-09-06T10:39:06 boegel: tell that to other people :P 2011-09-06T10:39:11 i hate facebook chat with a passion 2011-09-06T10:44:15 * mcstar doesnt even have a facebook account, and he doesnt mind 2011-09-06T10:48:45 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T10:54:39 aerique: whoa, closure with a class-definition 2011-09-06T10:54:41 *** rabidus_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T10:55:12 interesting possibilities 2011-09-06T10:55:23 *** rabidus has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-09-06T10:57:25 aerique: why are some variables prefixed with @ in your engine code? 2011-09-06T11:00:20 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-09-06T11:02:41 aerique: nvm, i see its a reader macro 2011-09-06T11:04:59 *** jako has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T11:12:38 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-09-06T11:19:27 mcstar: sorry for the lack of response, was busy at work and I have to go home now :-| 2011-09-06T11:19:34 mcstar: see you tomorrow perhaps :) 2011-09-06T11:19:44 *** aerique has quit IRC (Quit: ...) 2011-09-06T11:27:23 *** boegel has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2011-09-06T11:32:52 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T11:32:52 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-09-06T11:34:58 sorry mr spider, but you don't get to live if you're in my bed 2011-09-06T11:35:50 dont tell me you crushed it 2011-09-06T11:36:33 what would you have me do? 2011-09-06T11:36:36 it was on my bed 2011-09-06T11:36:45 i normally leave spiders alone, but not on my bed :| 2011-09-06T11:37:00 well, a man at some point in his/her life must decide what he/she dislikes most: spiders or flies 2011-09-06T11:37:04 i chose flies 2011-09-06T11:37:27 that means i let spiders live 2011-09-06T11:37:29 flies aren't a problem for me 2011-09-06T11:37:42 oh, well, they are for me 2011-09-06T11:37:46 but i normally do my best to not hurt animals, but a spider invading my bed was over the line 2011-09-06T11:37:47 and they are nastier 2011-09-06T11:38:22 do you believe that common myth that spiders crawl into your mouth when you sleep? 2011-09-06T11:38:44 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T11:39:16 no 2011-09-06T11:39:29 i laugh at anyone who thinks someone could get data on that 2011-09-06T11:40:36 i remember someone told me a person on average eats 5 spiders in a month 2011-09-06T11:40:41 or something like that 2011-09-06T11:41:15 lol 2011-09-06T11:41:20 i was told 8 per lifetime 2011-09-06T11:41:30 it wouldn't really bother me if i did 2011-09-06T11:41:30 vastly different 2011-09-06T11:42:23 and there was another statistics, on average a person eats a shovel of dust in a decade(lifetime?) 2011-09-06T11:42:40 whats that other thing that comes with the broom? 2011-09-06T11:42:45 not shovel but similar 2011-09-06T11:43:40 maybe it is a shovel 2011-09-06T11:49:00 *** MikeTheAnt2 has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T11:49:16 Hi all, any AI-challenge admins here? 2011-09-06T11:50:20 yes? 2011-09-06T11:51:12 Just had a question about player selection. Some ants seems to get more games than others? Are there any rules for this or is it random? 2011-09-06T11:53:56 for now it's a bug 2011-09-06T11:54:13 *** dvladim has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T11:55:39 ahh.. ok. so just wait and see than.. just wanted to make sure it was nothing wrong with my ant 2011-09-06T11:55:46 *then 2011-09-06T12:04:25 *** MikeTheAnt2 has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-09-06T12:17:42 *** mathis has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-09-06T12:23:20 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-09-06T12:24:56 *** ArchMonkey has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T12:25:34 *** dvladim has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2011-09-06T12:26:37 *** nux67 has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T12:27:55 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T12:41:24 *** ibdknox has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T12:49:50 *** dvladim has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T12:53:26 *** FireFly has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T12:58:51 *** dvladim has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2011-09-06T12:59:15 *** dvladim has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T13:00:22 *** mceier_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T13:00:33 *** mceier has quit IRC (Disconnected by services) 2011-09-06T13:00:45 *** mceier_ is now known as mceier 2011-09-06T13:02:00 *** GeorgeSebastian has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T13:03:43 *** dvladim has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-09-06T13:05:55 *** rabidus_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-09-06T13:07:34 *** rabidus has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T13:12:52 *** Hammerok has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T13:16:29 *** Mike has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T13:16:33 *** Apophis has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2011-09-06T13:16:55 *** Mike is now known as Guest43296 2011-09-06T13:17:45 *** Apophis has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T13:18:13 *** mathis has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T13:34:56 *** boegel has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T13:53:41 *** GeorgeSebastian has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2011-09-06T13:58:46 *** boegel has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2011-09-06T14:04:28 @seen dhartmei 2011-09-06T14:04:29 berak: dhartmei was last seen in #aichallenge 48 weeks, 6 days, 1 hour, 19 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: project selection problem? 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2011-09-06T16:10:30 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T16:16:16 *** ArchMonkey_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T16:17:49 *** ArchMonkey__ has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T16:19:00 *** ArchMonkey has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-09-06T16:20:44 *** ArchMonkey_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2011-09-06T16:22:30 *** ArchMonkey__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-09-06T16:31:32 *** Hammerok has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-09-06T16:46:51 McLeopold: Is it ok for the engine to be blocked while writing the streaming format to sdtout? 2011-09-06T16:51:03 *** Eruonen has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T16:52:19 *** onensora has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-09-06T17:12:05 mleise: maybe? 2011-09-06T17:16:20 McLeopold: Yeah, I'm asking because with fog of war the Java visualizer is quite slow and will forward that on to the engine 2011-09-06T17:22:15 forward the slowness? 2011-09-06T17:35:58 McLeopold: yes, I don't buffer the data 2011-09-06T17:37:39 i just read it from the pipe and wait for the visualizer to draw a frame. It could be that the engine has to wait there on a write() for a second. 2011-09-06T17:38:00 Will that affect bots? 2011-09-06T17:38:26 is this play_one_game_live? 2011-09-06T17:38:58 I still have to see what has to be done if delt0r's tcp server needs a client visualizer. Yes, that is the file I added to make it easier ;) 2011-09-06T17:39:35 It worked for months (except for a regression with for of war enabled) 2011-09-06T17:39:50 *** Kingpin13 has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T17:39:54 *** Kingpin13 has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T17:40:35 as long as the engine is giving the full amount of time to bots, I don't think there should be a problem 2011-09-06T17:41:11 Ok thanks. Then I don't need to worry. 2011-09-06T17:41:18 *** Kingpin13 has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-09-06T17:41:57 *** Kingpin13 has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T17:51:06 *** trololo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-09-06T17:56:33 *** FireFly has quit IRC (Quit: FireFly) 2011-09-06T17:56:45 *** fspoon has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-09-06T18:00:05 *** ltriant has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T18:05:45 mleise: Some one else was going to do the tcp server... a python based one 2011-09-06T18:05:51 So i wasn't going to bother 2011-09-06T18:09:14 what about your super fast c++ engine? 2011-09-06T18:09:38 *** mathis has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T18:10:09 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2011-09-06T18:10:29 mleise: are you talking to me? 2011-09-06T18:10:37 delt0r_: yes 2011-09-06T18:10:40 its java 2011-09-06T18:10:48 and it is fast 2011-09-06T18:10:58 Oo JIT has made some serious progress 2011-09-06T18:11:24 2001 called... it wants its java is slow dogma back 2011-09-06T18:12:00 We still have our Java requires tons of virtual memory dogma 2011-09-06T18:12:27 So your VM is crap at mem managment... meh 2011-09-06T18:13:01 Java may not be "fast" but then niether is C++.... Fortran for the win ;) 2011-09-06T18:13:24 seriously.... 99% of performance is the programmer --not the lang 2011-09-06T18:13:40 except for PHP and perl :P 2011-09-06T18:18:27 delt0r_: remember all the Java bot crashes on the test server? That's what happens when virtual memory is exhausted 2011-09-06T18:19:03 which is a fault of the sand box ---get with 2011... virtual is not real 2011-09-06T18:19:04 one bot was practically eating up all the available memory 2011-09-06T18:19:16 virtual is not real 2011-09-06T18:19:23 *** Palmik has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-09-06T18:19:35 i know, but there is no difference between both on OpenVZ 2011-09-06T18:19:36 I will say that again... note that using C mem files does the same thing 2011-09-06T18:20:16 well then OpenVZ is a long way behind modern OS... one reason i don't like Virtulaization 2011-09-06T18:20:20 but meh 2011-09-06T18:20:26 its up to the organizers 2011-09-06T18:20:43 I don't really like java... but its a good tool for the job sometimes 2011-09-06T18:20:46 any 2011-09-06T18:20:47 gtg 2011-09-06T18:20:54 i agree, bye 2011-09-06T18:36:35 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2011-09-06T18:42:43 McLeopold: I moved the filtered rank out of sql, because it was broken and I couldn't see how to fix it (specifically the count variable was counting by submission id(? I believe it was) instead of rank). While the fix was trivial by moving it outside of sql. 2011-09-06T18:48:29 janzert: hi there 2011-09-06T18:48:29 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T18:51:37 aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * r9825c99 / sql/2_generate_matchup.sql : fixed improper ordering of closest 100 sigmas - http://git.io/ZQLscQ 2011-09-06T18:54:04 janzert: I'm thinking of removing the ghosts altogether to simplify ranking sql and such. I might add it back later, but it would be done much differently. 2011-09-06T19:03:50 *** Lithosphere has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-09-06T19:05:49 ok, I'm fairly neutral toward the ghosts so no real attachment to them from me ;) 2011-09-06T19:06:05 janzert: beta server seems slow 2011-09-06T19:06:24 yes 2011-09-06T19:06:55 to me it seemed like the database performance has tanked since the number of games has gone up 2011-09-06T19:07:06 I'm looking at database stuff now 2011-09-06T19:07:10 And yes, it sucks 2011-09-06T19:07:39 but I've not spent much time looking at stuff in the last month either 2011-09-06T19:08:45 aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * r22871bd / sql/2_generate_matchup.sql : missed a comma - http://git.io/jEUj0Q 2011-09-06T19:11:02 *** jako has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-09-06T19:14:29 *** amstan_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T19:14:29 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan_ 2011-09-06T19:16:30 janzert: where did the workers go? 2011-09-06T19:16:44 did I just break the system again? :) 2011-09-06T19:31:31 *** Eruonen has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-09-06T19:31:39 *** onensora has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T19:32:12 they did both quit, restarted now :) 2011-09-06T19:32:25 janzert: do you know why? 2011-09-06T19:33:27 2011-09-06 22:55:21,940 - 27068 - INFO - Received task: {u'timestamp': u'2011-09-07T02:55:11+04:00', u'task': ''} 2011-09-06T19:33:35 which then failed of course 2011-09-06T19:33:44 2011-09-06 22:55:41,960 - 27068 - WARNING - Task failed, stopping worker 2011-09-06T19:33:53 hmm... 2011-09-06T19:33:56 notice the 'task': '' 2011-09-06T19:34:00 yea 2011-09-06T19:34:06 I didn't think that was possible 2011-09-06T19:34:18 I don't remember seeing it before 2011-09-06T19:34:27 and it seems to be working again now 2011-09-06T19:34:38 one thing I do see commonly 2011-09-06T19:34:47 2011-09-06 22:55:16,077 - 27068 - WARNING - Bad json from server during post result: 2011-09-06T19:34:47 {"hash":"944bd76e97e3b21f2ca1ebcbfcf583ae"}{"hash":"944bd76e97e3b21f2ca1ebcbfcf583ae"} 2011-09-06T19:34:49 oh, it was a mysql error 2011-09-06T19:35:06 which causes it to resubmit and usually succeed 2011-09-06T19:35:26 but from looking at the code I'm not sure how that is possible 2011-09-06T19:35:30 maybe the server times out? 2011-09-06T19:35:52 it is getting back the json twice it seems 2011-09-06T19:36:10 weird 2011-09-06T19:37:52 *** choas has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2011-09-06T19:48:01 janzert: for the task failure, can you give me the traceback? 2011-09-06T19:49:03 *** mceier has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2011-09-06T19:51:15 sorry, I don't have it 2011-09-06T19:51:17 just the log 2011-09-06T19:52:25 maybe we should add a bare except at the top level of worker.py to log any traceback that makes it that far 2011-09-06T19:52:56 well, worker.task returned falsy, I just can't think of why 2011-09-06T20:01:27 *** McLeopold has left #aichallenge 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tsiki has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-06T21:58:25 *** sendak.freenode.net sets mode: +oo amstan ChanServ 2011-09-06T22:49:12 Hey amstan 2011-09-06T22:49:17 Where was it that you said you're going now? 2011-09-06T22:49:18 hey 2011-09-06T22:49:22 Instead of udubz 2011-09-06T22:49:23 mohawk college 2011-09-06T22:49:30 udubz? 2011-09-06T22:49:39 what's udubz? 2011-09-06T22:49:40 udubz=u double u =uw 2011-09-06T22:49:48 lol 2011-09-06T22:49:49 nvm >] 2011-09-06T22:49:49 ok 2011-09-06T22:50:09 Your absence was noted in #csc and I remember you told me but I forgot the name 2011-09-06T22:59:39 yay something positive came from something i did. that rarely occurs 2011-09-06T22:59:47 thats why i tend not to do things 2011-09-06T23:07:59 pgpaskar: lol 2011-09-06T23:37:13 there is some git merge conflict on the test server around 'sql/2_generate_matchup.sql' 2011-09-06T23:41:11 mleise: i could look at it 2011-09-06T23:42:43 mleise: you're just trying to update, right? 2011-09-06T23:43:03 mleise: not doing anything funny like making commits on the server? 2011-09-06T23:43:04 yes, probably it is no real conflict 2011-09-06T23:43:29 I'd never commit from the server ^^ 2011-09-06T23:43:36 mleise: done 2011-09-06T23:43:55 mleise: i git reset $file and git checkout $file 2011-09-06T23:44:00 then pulled 2011-09-06T23:44:21 What if someone was working on that file on the server!? 2011-09-06T23:44:34 mleise: they're not really supposed to 2011-09-06T23:45:28 mleise: also, what's inside sql/ is only applicable to the setup part 2011-09-06T23:45:36 ok... I hope they know that. I think for the database stuff it is convenient to modify queries dierctly on the server 2011-09-06T23:45:51 wait, nvm 2011-09-06T23:45:55 not the generate_sql part 2011-09-06T23:46:00 generate_matchup sounds like it ... you say it 2011-09-06T23:46:17 you just deleted someones work of several hours 2011-09-06T23:47:25 generate_matchup.sql could be work in progress for the current bugs around player matching 2011-09-06T23:49:11 i'm sorry, but on the server, uncommited and which causes a conflict shouldn't really be left like that, especially if extensive work was done 2011-09-06T23:54:28 maybe that person had a copy :) 2011-09-06T23:55:45 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-09-06T23:55:52 *** dvladim has joined #aichallenge