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in my source lol 2011-09-13T14:49:54 lol 2011-09-13T14:50:11 i even showed to a collegue of mine, whats wrong??? 2011-09-13T14:50:22 12 days of Christmas's obfuscation contest 2011-09-13T14:50:24 ftw 2011-09-13T14:50:29 seen it 2011-09-13T14:50:49 but a1kOn has better 2011-09-13T14:50:55 have you seen his site? 2011-09-13T14:50:59 oh there is a lot better these days 2011-09-13T14:51:05 I like ook 2011-09-13T14:51:09 theres a flipping torus, really cool 2011-09-13T14:51:29 i use to be in the demo scene and all that... 2011-09-13T14:51:34 but i got old 2011-09-13T14:51:39 like 18 or something 2011-09-13T14:51:40 ;) 2011-09-13T14:51:57 you quit the scene when you were 18? 2011-09-13T14:52:02 must say the standard has only got better 2011-09-13T14:52:18 well when i left high school... 2011-09-13T14:52:23 so 17 -- 2011-09-13T14:52:33 and 362 days ;) 2011-09-13T14:52:36 i didnt really program up until the end of high-school 2011-09-13T14:52:52 not really left ..just didn't do it anymore 2011-09-13T14:52:58 my first linux distro was a broken suse 8.2 2011-09-13T14:53:03 wow 2011-09-13T14:53:14 mine was slackware 1.0 2011-09-13T14:53:26 by broken i mean broken, the cd's werewritten with errors 2011-09-13T14:53:28 1996 IIRC or 1997 2011-09-13T14:53:31 i couldnt use it 2011-09-13T14:53:35 dam 2011-09-13T14:53:47 back in those days, CD cost real money 2011-09-13T14:53:53 CDs 2011-09-13T14:53:53 so are you a slacker still? 2011-09-13T14:53:57 oh yea 2011-09-13T14:54:06 wearing the tshrit today even 2011-09-13T14:54:22 (i copied those, from the school's sysadmin) 2011-09-13T14:54:51 well, im an archer these days 2011-09-13T14:55:00 back in slack 1.0, if you wanted X windows. You had to write the video drivers 2011-09-13T14:55:01 actually for a couple of yeaRS, like 3 2011-09-13T14:55:11 not used archer 2011-09-13T14:55:23 its ArchLinux 2011-09-13T14:55:30 so who uses it is an archer 2011-09-13T14:55:32 I personally like the fact there is a flavor for every user 2011-09-13T14:55:36 Yea i know 2011-09-13T14:55:48 oh ic 2011-09-13T14:55:55 typo is something i do 2011-09-13T14:55:59 :) 2011-09-13T14:56:13 like the supergrid->multigrid 2011-09-13T14:56:37 yeah, i realized i read about multigrid when i wrote an adaptive mesh refiner 2011-09-13T14:56:40 in charm++ 2011-09-13T14:56:42 for someone in science you would think i would be more precise 2011-09-13T14:56:45 circa 2008 2011-09-13T14:57:07 at the time... they where a big break through 2011-09-13T14:57:21 this is all very informal 2011-09-13T14:57:22 even now, CFD has been totally changed with them 2011-09-13T14:57:41 i dont know much about that 2011-09-13T14:57:47 we do PFT/PFC 2011-09-13T14:57:58 if we were all still stuck with FEM galkern methods... dam 2011-09-13T14:58:08 galkerin 2011-09-13T14:58:12 whatever 2011-09-13T14:58:12 galerkin 2011-09-13T14:58:15 thanks 2011-09-13T14:58:51 I don't think there is a single commercial CFD that uses that anymore 2011-09-13T14:58:58 theres a strong possibility that i not stying with physics 2011-09-13T14:59:06 well i left 2011-09-13T14:59:07 im* 2011-09-13T14:59:18 right now I am thinking of going back 2011-09-13T14:59:23 or to CS 2011-09-13T14:59:28 the thing is, that i need money pretty fast, maybe ill get a software job 2011-09-13T14:59:44 oh---well ... I had a few of those 2011-09-13T15:00:10 was making more than my professors. 2011-09-13T15:00:22 I ended up drinking it all 2011-09-13T15:00:28 i dont have my degree yet, whats missing is only my thesis(in progress), what do you think, can i get a soft. developer job? 2011-09-13T15:00:39 No i LOVE academia 2011-09-13T15:00:53 Finish first 2011-09-13T15:00:59 It is only about finishing 2011-09-13T15:01:02 i need money 2011-09-13T15:01:44 * mcstar had a alcohol-free beer today 2011-09-13T15:01:46 yea-- i got a job while doing uni 2011-09-13T15:01:54 in fact i got 2 2011-09-13T15:02:22 that was a mistake --then i got married and ended with a (awesome) 8 year old daughter 2011-09-13T15:02:35 so well I am not a good example 2011-09-13T15:02:38 congrats 2011-09-13T15:02:49 that was 11 years a ago now 2011-09-13T15:02:54 all my collegues has daughters 2011-09-13T15:02:58 mostly 2 2011-09-13T15:03:31 but i can say i would hire you (i worked 10 years as a commercial coder ) 2011-09-13T15:03:49 we stopped getting CS majors since they sucked 2011-09-13T15:04:03 and you still have hopes to get back into research? 2011-09-13T15:04:04 but you seem to know the theory and math as good as i do 2011-09-13T15:04:12 I am in research 2011-09-13T15:04:20 2nd postdoc 2011-09-13T15:04:21 i mean physics 2011-09-13T15:04:26 oh yea... 2011-09-13T15:04:34 did my masters in physics 2011-09-13T15:04:43 yeah you told me 2011-09-13T15:04:46 PhD in computational bio 2011-09-13T15:04:55 never did a day of CS 2011-09-13T15:05:11 ok that is not quite true... 2011-09-13T15:05:14 but close 2011-09-13T15:05:30 what i can say, is that i can get up-to-date on subjects if needed 2011-09-13T15:05:50 we started to hire physics majors and math majors... they don't get marked on their comments in code... but on the fact the code works 2011-09-13T15:06:45 we had a bunch of CS majors giving us all kinds of BS about theory... but you think we could get a single peice of code out of them that worked? 2011-09-13T15:06:47 so are you the head of a team? do you manage finance too? 2011-09-13T15:06:51 not a chance 2011-09-13T15:07:07 Senior dev 2011-09-13T15:07:26 refused more promotions.. too much management... i like to cut code. 2011-09-13T15:07:32 I do it for holidays.. 2011-09-13T15:07:35 :D 2011-09-13T15:07:38 may i ask what do you code exactly? 2011-09-13T15:07:48 My post doc is MSMS 2011-09-13T15:08:14 never heard of that acronym 2011-09-13T15:08:17 http://www.mabs.at/ewing/msms/index.shtml 2011-09-13T15:08:52 if you ping/host name me right now i think you get my first name too 2011-09-13T15:09:58 i using weechat, somehow i dont see the output of my pings 2011-09-13T15:10:02 im* 2011-09-13T15:11:12 i see, so this is some kind of population modeling? 2011-09-13T15:11:25 well i am on a static ip... you could get my desk phone number inside 30min without trying hard 2011-09-13T15:11:27 yea 2011-09-13T15:11:32 population genetics 2011-09-13T15:11:47 evolution of a finite population 2011-09-13T15:11:54 finite size population... 2011-09-13T15:12:18 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-13T15:13:48 *** bot_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-13T15:14:14 *** bot_ is now known as Guest21197 2011-09-13T15:16:56 Hi guys, are there any ai-contest administrators online? I'm a noob and I'm having trouble activating my account 2011-09-13T15:17:03 *** Hammerok has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-13T15:17:07 seems you have ssh open 2011-09-13T15:21:33 *** Allied_Envy has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-09-13T15:21:33 so whats the word this time around on java packages? 2011-09-13T15:23:10 if ill ever get close to java it will be because of clojure, which looks very promising 2011-09-13T15:23:12 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2011-09-13T15:23:42 well if you go "real job" you will end up using it 2011-09-13T15:24:18 you mean code in it? 2011-09-13T15:24:26 it doesnt seem too horrible 2011-09-13T15:24:27 mind you i did do a bit of C/C++ and even some odd proprietary langs 2011-09-13T15:24:27 yea 2011-09-13T15:24:34 its nto 2011-09-13T15:24:35 not 2011-09-13T15:24:44 but it is not great either 2011-09-13T15:25:07 I love lisp and CLOS... but that is a love born of never really doing anything in ti 2011-09-13T15:25:08 it 2011-09-13T15:25:13 i took a look at the language benchmark shootout, or wth, java performs pretty well, and the code remains very clear 2011-09-13T15:25:30 take a look at the similar performing sbcl code, its horrible 2011-09-13T15:25:35 performance is in the hands of devloper more or less 2011-09-13T15:26:12 last time i tired sbcl... it would not compile on my machine... 2011-09-13T15:26:19 :S 2011-09-13T15:26:23 waiting for a JVM lisp to be finished 2011-09-13T15:26:26 and what kind of machine was that? 2011-09-13T15:26:48 *** Titankiller has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-09-13T15:26:58 this one... slack 13.X, quad core intel 64bit 2011-09-13T15:27:08 hm 2011-09-13T15:27:20 i compiled it without problems 2011-09-13T15:27:24 can't remeber what was wrong... it was subtle.. 2011-09-13T15:27:40 but lisp is ok i though with defines 2011-09-13T15:27:46 performance wise 2011-09-13T15:27:59 theres an error with sbcl packages for arch, it is compiled with -fomit-frame-pointer, and all the backtraces are broken 2011-09-13T15:28:02 and defines don't really clutter the code imo 2011-09-13T15:28:14 oh... 2011-09-13T15:28:34 what about PIC? don't you need omit frame pointer for that? 2011-09-13T15:28:40 now imagine that i learned lisp, without correct backtraces 2011-09-13T15:28:47 mm 2011-09-13T15:29:01 well debuging macros is always horrible imo 2011-09-13T15:29:27 *** onensora has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-13T15:30:24 the thing is, that from gcc 4.6 on the above setting is default 2011-09-13T15:30:53 and they the sblc guys changed the 1.50.1 i thin accordingly 2011-09-13T15:31:02 well yea.. you don't need the frame pointer... for the most part... debug symbols holds what you need right? 2011-09-13T15:31:04 but still, the new packages have the same error 2011-09-13T15:31:10 so i still compile it by hand 2011-09-13T15:31:36 i cant answer that without making something up 2011-09-13T15:31:49 well even java us is a little faster with -O 2011-09-13T15:32:02 which just level out trace infor 2011-09-13T15:32:08 information 2011-09-13T15:32:27 so, you dont consider clojure a mature lisp? 2011-09-13T15:32:43 its not clisp... but interesting non the less 2011-09-13T15:32:50 clisp? 2011-09-13T15:32:54 of course it isnt 2011-09-13T15:32:54 common 2011-09-13T15:33:00 ah thats cl 2011-09-13T15:33:11 they are vrey picky about the naming conventions 2011-09-13T15:33:11 right 2011-09-13T15:33:19 they differentiate between LISP and Lisp 2011-09-13T15:33:23 even 2011-09-13T15:33:59 tbh i am kind of tired of so many langs and yet in the *vast* majority if you want to something as normal as tcp sockets, you need different code for every OS 2011-09-13T15:34:17 it is lame that its not in a standard lib in 2010> 2011-09-13T15:34:22 *** Guest21197 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-09-13T15:34:25 ive been watchin rich hickey's lectures on clojure they seem interesting, im wondering wheater i could use it in the contest 2011-09-13T15:34:26 that is twenty ten 2011-09-13T15:34:59 well if they accept plan binary/jars then np 2011-09-13T15:35:09 however i don't think that changed in the end 2011-09-13T15:35:10 nono, clojure IS supported 2011-09-13T15:35:14 i didnt mean that 2011-09-13T15:35:19 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-13T15:35:20 oh right 2011-09-13T15:35:23 well then 2011-09-13T15:35:41 I just don't have the time... I may get a bot done... i may not 2011-09-13T15:35:46 i mean the agent system, the asynchron agent/actor model that is inherently in clojure 2011-09-13T15:35:49 I want to use coroutines. 2011-09-13T15:36:15 i read about co-recursion 2011-09-13T15:36:16 but then it is no longer java 2011-09-13T15:36:24 but i dont know coroutines in general 2011-09-13T15:36:50 phythons yield is a coroutine 2011-09-13T15:37:05 *** Allied_Envy has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-13T15:37:08 typos for the win 2011-09-13T15:37:24 oh a generator 2011-09-13T15:37:54 if we end up on big maps, then many bots are going to time out if not coded smartly 2011-09-13T15:38:06 yeah, been there 2011-09-13T15:38:11 all the demo bots time out on 100x100 maps for me 2011-09-13T15:38:18 my fsm snake bot was sometimes really slow 2011-09-13T15:38:28 well phython demo bots 2011-09-13T15:38:38 fsm? slow? 2011-09-13T15:38:46 yeah 2011-09-13T15:38:52 i used a recursive resolver 2011-09-13T15:39:07 i kept looping while the system reached a fixed-point 2011-09-13T15:39:23 still would not have expected it to be slow... recursive is not necessarily slow 2011-09-13T15:39:25 ah ic 2011-09-13T15:39:26 i performed better than stocha's snake bot 2011-09-13T15:39:31 it* 2011-09-13T15:39:50 the logic is, the code was iterative 2011-09-13T15:40:13 all in all it was slow with many ants but not just because of this 2011-09-13T15:40:22 it has a perfect matching algorithm 2011-09-13T15:40:37 and sometimes it needed to compute 50x100 matrix or some like that 2011-09-13T15:40:37 well my current ideas don't scale with ants but map size 2011-09-13T15:40:59 in fact one idea gets faster with more ants! 2011-09-13T15:41:18 look, i wrote last week, in circa 2 days a bot, which performs rather well, its VERY simple 2011-09-13T15:41:29 i spent much much mcuh less time tha non the previous one 2011-09-13T15:41:33 and its way better 2011-09-13T15:41:47 i don't know if the current beta server is a good reflection of the final standard 2011-09-13T15:41:53 but yea 2011-09-13T15:42:00 http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/rankings.php 2011-09-13T15:42:05 look, there i am 2011-09-13T15:42:14 Mc whatevers bot was not that complicated IMO 2011-09-13T15:42:32 mine isnt called that mc* 2011-09-13T15:42:55 from the last comp 2011-09-13T15:42:58 find it for yourself, i dont want to advertise myself :) 2011-09-13T15:43:05 i wasnt there the last time 2011-09-13T15:43:46 what alg. gets faster with the number of ants? 2011-09-13T15:44:35 the Fog Of War Baysian Fortune Teller? 2011-09-13T15:44:39 lol 2011-09-13T15:45:11 one that looks at non intersecting paths 2011-09-13T15:45:11 the "oh god there are so many ants just issue random orders" algorithm 2011-09-13T15:45:25 more ants the less you need to look forward 2011-09-13T15:46:01 Zannick: not true, that too must monotonically increase 2011-09-13T15:46:04 Zannick: it looks like a lot of bots currently do that... why i question the competitiveness of the current server 2011-09-13T15:46:43 delt0r: cut the rankings above ~30% 2011-09-13T15:46:58 there are many starter kits uploaded 2011-09-13T15:47:05 always is 2011-09-13T15:47:19 i argued at one point, that they should not have provided starter kits 2011-09-13T15:47:35 there was talk of making sure they didn't swamp the games played this time round... did that happen 2011-09-13T15:47:49 the ones who would wrote those things for themselves, would probably upload a half-decent bot too 2011-09-13T15:48:00 write* 2011-09-13T15:48:33 one of the goals is too be very accessible to even high school level students 2011-09-13T15:48:39 so they are needed 2011-09-13T15:49:14 but if the are the default and not changed... then i don't think they should get the same priority for games 2011-09-13T15:49:19 but i guess a big portion of the beta workers' cycles are spent on aimless battles 2011-09-13T15:49:45 Personally we have had some hard core wet behind the ears coders here. It was cool 2011-09-13T15:50:06 658 users that pretty much for beta i think 2011-09-13T15:50:14 it is 2011-09-13T15:50:31 considering how small tron was compared to planet wars 2011-09-13T15:50:34 translation pls 2011-09-13T15:50:44 ? 2011-09-13T15:50:45 wet behind the ears? 2011-09-13T15:50:57 oh --first time coders 2011-09-13T15:51:11 but really really willing to learn... and learn fast 2011-09-13T15:51:12 (some phrases i dont get, maybe cause i hear it the first time) 2011-09-13T15:51:30 it is a English idiom 2011-09-13T15:51:36 an 2011-09-13T15:51:45 nevertheless, i dont know them all 2011-09-13T15:52:34 of course not... I have been in Austria for 5 years and i can barley order a beer and spare ribs in German 2011-09-13T15:52:40 *** Kynes38 has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-13T15:52:44 barly lol sory 2011-09-13T15:52:45 some of these things may even be NZ specific 2011-09-13T15:52:51 lol 2011-09-13T15:52:51 varley 2011-09-13T15:52:54 shat 2011-09-13T15:52:54 LOL 2011-09-13T15:53:21 that is funny... and from the "fruit" of the barley 2011-09-13T15:53:22 i have a big quick-fix wtf on my thumb i cut it 2011-09-13T15:54:02 adhesive bandage is the proper term 2011-09-13T15:54:05 also there are some saying i have that are specific to the part of NZ i come from 2011-09-13T15:54:21 band-aid <-NZ term... brand name 2011-09-13T15:54:33 thats new zealand? 2011-09-13T15:54:53 my step-brother wanted to go there 2011-09-13T15:55:00 well I am sure the company is bigger than that...we only have 4 million ppl 2011-09-13T15:55:02 to grow wine 2011-09-13T15:55:12 yeah, i looked 2011-09-13T15:55:20 Oh..yea NZ<- New Zealand 2011-09-13T15:55:37 honestly i am more worried about earthquakes/cunamies 2011-09-13T15:55:54 meh... We got a 6-7 once a year 2011-09-13T15:55:59 you get use to it 2011-09-13T15:56:09 :S 2011-09-13T15:56:12 eruptions once every 10 years or so 2011-09-13T15:56:14 horrible 2011-09-13T15:56:25 they look way cool up close 2011-09-13T15:57:03 then i come here.... and i understand why i can get wine in a cellar that was established in 659 2011-09-13T15:57:26 I am not use to the ground being that stable 2011-09-13T15:58:08 germany? 2011-09-13T15:58:17 Austria 2011-09-13T15:58:23 i am in Vienna 2011-09-13T15:58:23 yeah, sry 2011-09-13T15:58:30 well, youre not far than 2011-09-13T15:58:49 are you there with family? 2011-09-13T15:58:53 if you are ever here... need a cheap (as in free) place to stay... just say so 2011-09-13T15:58:55 yep 2011-09-13T15:59:03 haha thx 2011-09-13T15:59:15 you would not be the first.... 2011-09-13T15:59:23 my deutsch is waaa rusty 2011-09-13T15:59:32 waay* 2011-09-13T15:59:36 the last person was a real hit with my daughters Friends. 2011-09-13T15:59:53 how so? 2011-09-13T16:01:24 they all *really* *liked* him 2011-09-13T16:01:43 it was my daughters 18 birthday 2011-09-13T16:01:48 like, fell for him? 2011-09-13T16:02:04 he was like 25..but knew how to do all the classic dances... 2011-09-13T16:02:12 oh yea 2011-09-13T16:02:27 hehe im 25 2011-09-13T16:02:27 recon at lest half would have ........ 2011-09-13T16:02:52 unfortunately im bad with girls 2011-09-13T16:02:57 lol 2011-09-13T16:02:57 i simply dont understand them 2011-09-13T16:03:14 I have been married for 11 years... 2011-09-13T16:03:26 I do not understand my wife at *all* 2011-09-13T16:03:33 :) 2011-09-13T16:04:09 where in Hungary are you from (only been to Budapest ) 2011-09-13T16:05:06 i lived near the lake Balaton, i spent my uni. years on Buda(pest), and now im ~40km south-east to Bp. 2011-09-13T16:05:17 right 2011-09-13T16:05:35 are you with that crazy political party? ;D 2011-09-13T16:06:03 the one that want to take back like half of Romania? 2011-09-13T16:06:07 no sure, i went to vote, and here stops my political activity right away :D 2011-09-13T16:06:23 I was there last time they where burning flags in Bp. 2011-09-13T16:06:33 you mean Jobbik 2011-09-13T16:06:38 yea 2011-09-13T16:06:38 i have a strong deja vu 2011-09-13T16:06:45 didnt you asked this before ? 2011-09-13T16:06:49 ask* 2011-09-13T16:06:53 don't think so 2011-09-13T16:06:58 but it is possible 2011-09-13T16:07:14 i was talking about exactly this in this channel a couple months ago 2011-09-13T16:07:25 right now i am rocking to Nirvana 2011-09-13T16:07:32 na... wasn't me 2011-09-13T16:07:40 but i dont remember knowing your nick "deltor" before a couple of weeks 2011-09-13T16:07:53 yea i was away for quite a while 2011-09-13T16:08:04 in japan and stuff for work 2011-09-13T16:08:42 delt0r ..defender of the integrator 2011-09-13T16:08:51 as in the dirac deltor 2011-09-13T16:09:04 of a generalized function/distribution 2011-09-13T16:09:26 Arigato gosaimasu! 2011-09-13T16:09:58 hm, i would have never guessed the connection 2011-09-13T16:10:14 hehe 2011-09-13T16:10:20 well they don't write it like that 2011-09-13T16:10:30 Watashi wa mcstar desu. 2011-09-13T16:10:35 ?? 2011-09-13T16:10:48 my japanese is also rusty 2011-09-13T16:11:05 hikooki 2011-09-13T16:11:27 well i learnt to say thank you... that was it... then i just ate whatever they gave me 2011-09-13T16:11:45 and drank --which turned out to be a *lot* of fun 2011-09-13T16:11:48 doko desu ka? 2011-09-13T16:11:55 dood 2011-09-13T16:12:06 wait i know more 2011-09-13T16:12:13 you know like \infinity more langs than me 2011-09-13T16:12:22 not really 2011-09-13T16:12:23 I only know bad english 2011-09-13T16:12:43 i started but turned out i didnt have the time to learn jap. 2011-09-13T16:12:55 bad english is excellent 2011-09-13T16:13:01 my fav. rock band 2011-09-13T16:13:04 well i still have not found the time to learn german 2011-09-13T16:13:10 not fav. but they have great love songs 2011-09-13T16:13:13 bad news? 2011-09-13T16:13:19 bad englsih 2011-09-13T16:13:25 ish* 2011-09-13T16:13:48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wM58YXp2x0 2011-09-13T16:14:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuJqJ7j7HVY 2011-09-13T16:14:49 i know bohemian rhapsody by heart 2011-09-13T16:15:05 its the favourite song of my buddy, we always sung it when drunk 2011-09-13T16:15:21 lets hail gay freddy! 2011-09-13T16:15:40 I am love with the hair cut ;) 2011-09-13T16:16:27 delt0r: i dont want to offend you but i switched to the original Boh. Thap. 2011-09-13T16:16:29 Rhap. 2011-09-13T16:17:36 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8feNFx3y3U&feature=rellist&playnext=1&list=PL745C63D1632D6F60 2011-09-13T16:17:42 more bad news 2011-09-13T16:18:05 one of the members is "Neil" from the young ones 2011-09-13T16:18:20 The Young Ones? 2011-09-13T16:18:48 Classic British comedy 2011-09-13T16:19:23 from the brits i only know Fry & Laurie, and the Fawlty Towers 2011-09-13T16:19:52 theres just too much information 2011-09-13T16:20:11 my brain cant process all media :( 2011-09-13T16:20:27 imagine i watched M.A.S.H 2011-09-13T16:20:42 to get up-to-date with US comedy 2011-09-13T16:21:18 well the us does not do comedy well 2011-09-13T16:21:33 MASH and that 70s show are exceptions 2011-09-13T16:21:38 *** GeorgeSebastian has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-09-13T16:21:44 gilligan's island 2011-09-13T16:21:54 i have that too, but i only watched the pilot 2011-09-13T16:22:30 and no, i didnt find that funny :) 2011-09-13T16:22:34 Heavy metal cow... hilarious 2011-09-13T16:22:52 i watched comedy central though, 7(8?) seasons 2011-09-13T16:23:01 whats that? 2011-09-13T16:23:10 another comedy show? 2011-09-13T16:23:44 of course there are 2 neo-classics 2011-09-13T16:23:45 yea-- not bad... some good moments... 2011-09-13T16:23:58 South Park and The Simpsons 2011-09-13T16:24:14 dam right 2011-09-13T16:24:15 the first i loved, the second not so much, couldnt make myslef watch it 2011-09-13T16:24:18 more exceptions 2011-09-13T16:24:49 may have to admit that the the US can do funny when they put their minds to it 2011-09-13T16:26:42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glHND2MqJ4M&feature=related 2011-09-13T16:26:45 6min 2011-09-13T16:26:56 you didn't let the dog in free did ya 2011-09-13T16:27:09 ok... sorry wrong channel 2011-09-13T16:29:34 that accent is waay funny 2011-09-13T16:29:46 even when i dont understand what they say 2011-09-13T16:30:19 lol 2011-09-13T16:31:07 well i think its time to go to a pub 2011-09-13T16:31:26 may have to wait at least another week for BorgAntMananger 2011-09-13T16:31:42 I am just having too much fun 2011-09-13T16:31:43 just take your time 2011-09-13T16:31:57 have fun with the pub 2011-09-13T16:31:59 any word on start dates yet 2011-09-13T16:32:02 yes 2011-09-13T16:32:10 starts when it starts 2011-09-13T16:32:16 i.e. the usual 2011-09-13T16:32:17 hehe 2011-09-13T16:32:49 well if it is all slave labor you get what you pay for ;) 2011-09-13T16:35:06 the upside is that it will be of the highest quality: Delt0r's engine, from the finest grains, 10X platinum filtered 2011-09-13T16:35:54 lol yea-- dam right 2011-09-13T16:36:08 well beer filtered. 2011-09-13T16:36:25 as in coded under the finest beers Europe has to offer 2011-09-13T16:36:34 under the influence 2011-09-13T16:37:44 Oh i forgot... our cluster is free... 500 cores to play... ants! 2011-09-13T16:37:57 any this time i will really leave 2011-09-13T16:37:58 http://headius.blogspot.com/2006/07/on-coding.html 2011-09-13T16:38:11 maybe you could read the last blog comment 2011-09-13T16:38:17 thats my internet footprint 2011-09-13T16:38:26 1 blog comment in ~6 years 2011-09-13T16:38:38 i was drunk 2011-09-13T16:38:39 wow 2011-09-13T16:38:46 it is like my blog 2011-09-13T16:39:04 the blog is not mine 2011-09-13T16:39:09 only the last comment 2011-09-13T16:39:22 http://delt0r.blogspot.com/ 2011-09-13T16:39:25 oh 2011-09-13T16:39:27 ic 2011-09-13T16:40:11 Half drunk is never the truth 2011-09-13T16:40:18 only ever half 2011-09-13T16:40:26 but which half 2011-09-13T16:41:31 you know, its an un-provable statement in that axiom system 2011-09-13T16:41:51 G�del 2011-09-13T16:42:05 i wanted to write godelian, but it sounds stupid 2011-09-13T16:42:08 F''' toss pot 2011-09-13T16:42:51 Tonight you proved just how much of a geek/nerd i am 2011-09-13T16:43:07 im happy to help 2011-09-13T16:43:22 enjoying this after this many beers.... Something is wrong with me :D but i am happy 2011-09-13T16:43:58 good, but please dont tempt me to drink again 2011-09-13T16:44:00 axiom: Beer <- proof god wants us to be happy 2011-09-13T16:44:36 application: drink beer... feel happy 2011-09-13T16:44:39 no, beer is God's plan to fill the toilets of the earth 2011-09-13T16:44:54 only for the fools who drink too much 2011-09-13T16:45:21 i drink a glass of beer, in the next 5-10 minutes i need to piss twice 2011-09-13T16:45:58 its an incredible diurethic 2011-09-13T16:46:04 well i better be off.. 2011-09-13T16:46:07 me too btw 2011-09-13T16:46:09 (im not sure of the spelling of the last word) 2011-09-13T16:46:24 sure, drink away 2011-09-13T16:46:30 bb delt0r 2011-09-13T16:46:40 hurry, before happy hours is over 2011-09-13T16:48:03 *** JamesMG has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-13T16:48:07 *** Kynes38 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-09-13T16:51:04 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-13T16:51:04 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-09-13T16:51:23 *** JamesMG_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-09-13T16:52:23 *** Kingpin13 has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-13T16:58:20 *** Hammerok has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-09-13T17:17:56 *** Allied_Envy has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-09-13T17:20:48 *** JamesMG_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-13T17:23:02 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5) 2011-09-13T17:24:03 *** JamesMG has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-09-13T17:33:01 *** Allied_Envy has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-13T17:35:08 *** JamesMG has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-13T17:38:38 *** JamesMG_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-09-13T17:40:47 *** FireFly has quit IRC (Quit: FireFly) 2011-09-13T17:51:01 *** Palmik has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-09-13T17:54:47 *** JamesMG_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-13T17:57:55 *** JamesMG has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-09-13T18:00:59 *** ltriant has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-13T18:16:26 *** JamesMG has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-13T18:20:03 *** JamesMG_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-09-13T18:22:54 *** Apophis_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-09-13T18:45:23 *** Kingpin13 has quit IRC (Quit: quit) 2011-09-13T18:52:47 *** Apophis has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-13T18:59:54 *** rabidus has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-09-13T19:01:36 *** rabidus has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-13T19:05:13 note to self, go hang out at delt0rs place for his daughters friends 2011-09-13T19:06:55 ? 2011-09-13T19:08:39 amstan: http://pastebin.com/yYCsCdYb 2011-09-13T19:09:26 lol 2011-09-13T19:09:40 depends where he lives 2011-09-13T19:10:46 austria i think 2011-09-13T19:11:10 delt0r: have you heard anything from utas about the job you applied for? :P 2011-09-13T19:11:49 *** mceier has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2011-09-13T19:15:18 snrk 2011-09-13T19:36:55 *** onensora has quit IRC () 2011-09-13T20:22:16 *** antimatroid has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host) 2011-09-13T20:22:16 *** antimatroid1 has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-13T20:24:15 aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * r6fcee25 / website/starter_packages.php : added lua to starter packages list - http://git.io/BMLOZg 2011-09-13T20:24:15 aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * r4582030 / (12 files in 2 dirs): 2011-09-13T20:24:16 aichallenge: update website for sorting columns 2011-09-13T20:24:16 aichallenge: Includes the jquery tablesorter plugin. Also updates the tables 2011-09-13T20:24:16 aichallenge: to look a bit nicer. Added viewing games for one submission version. - http://git.io/4lJlng 2011-09-13T20:40:20 *** antimatroid1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-09-13T22:49:55 *** contestbot has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-13T23:04:58 McLeopold: It looks like you finally arrived at some nice-to-have features. Does that mean we are close to a launch? 2011-09-13T23:20:24 mleise: hopfully 2011-09-13T23:20:54 I'm working on a trueskill implementation that won't crash. 2011-09-13T23:21:02 Then we need to beef up worker stability. 2011-09-13T23:21:13 I think everything else can wait. 2011-09-13T23:21:14 So the TruSkill implementation is crashing the workers? 2011-09-13T23:21:34 no, it is just crashing on the main server, janzert created a script to restart it 2011-09-13T23:21:57 weird. out-of-memory? 2011-09-13T23:21:58 not often, just enough to be anoying 2011-09-13T23:22:06 probably, it is java 2011-09-13T23:22:11 and the test server sucks 2011-09-13T23:22:49 That OpenVZ has 'burst-ram' which will be reclaimed by the VM as neccessary. Any application working in that memory may crash randomly 2011-09-13T23:22:50 oh, the last big thing to do, rewrite all of the web page material 2011-09-13T23:23:26 I thought the beta site was pretty much complete and up to date except for maybe 2 pages 2011-09-13T23:23:42 no, click around, it's worse than you think 2011-09-13T23:23:54 ok, will do :) 2011-09-13T23:24:50 starting_your_own.php 2011-09-13T23:25:05 simple_strategy_guide.php 2011-09-13T23:25:20 advanced strategy guide 2011-09-13T23:25:24 .php 2011-09-13T23:25:58 oh... and what about the Unicode problems? 2011-09-13T23:26:20 I think I got those fixed, but there still might be some bad data in the database 2011-09-13T23:26:38 it needs to be tested more 2011-09-13T23:26:57 I need a routing to cleanup messed up utf-8 2011-09-13T23:27:01 routine 2011-09-13T23:27:16 There is. I see some organizations with broken characters, and some that 'hacked' around the problem using 'a' instead of 'ä' for example 2011-09-13T23:27:31 yeah 2011-09-13T23:27:50 We could do a wipe and let everyone re-register and create new orgs 2011-09-13T23:27:50 Will the database be cleaned on the real server? 2011-09-13T23:27:55 ok 2011-09-13T23:28:04 maybe, amstan and janzert have to agree 2011-09-13T23:28:11 I think it would be worth it 2011-09-13T23:28:41 sure, as long as the website uses it properly 2011-09-13T23:29:04 last few terms i was setting the db just fine, but the website did not have an encoding specified 2011-09-13T23:29:25 so i had to remove all the special chars so they wouldn't be squigly lines 2011-09-13T23:29:28 chars* 2011-09-13T23:29:36 how can I check that? we should just use utf-8 2011-09-13T23:29:41 There are also probably some orphan oranization names, but I'm not sure (i.e. spelled wrong, corrected in profile later) 2011-09-13T23:29:45 it should be in the header file 2011-09-13T23:29:48 mysql seems to store as utf-8 2011-09-13T23:30:57 amstan: I'm using php's htmlentities( , , "UTF-8") on all usernames and organizations, plus the bios. 2011-09-13T23:31:12 I think that should be sufficiant for what we need. 2011-09-13T23:31:17 why is that required? 2011-09-13T23:31:33 to translate utf-8 into html entities 2011-09-13T23:31:33 shouldn't utf8 in the source code display fine in the rendering? 2011-09-13T23:31:42 as long as the charset is defined properly in ? 2011-09-13T23:32:00 uh.. 2011-09-13T23:32:30 it didn't 2011-09-13T23:32:54 it didn't last contest because i suspect there was nothing in head 2011-09-13T23:33:03 but if it works, nvm 2011-09-13T23:33:07 It does in the visualizer 2011-09-13T23:33:21 well, it didn't 5 days ago, but when I did the html entities, it looked alot better 2011-09-13T23:33:48 yeah, we have this already 2011-09-13T23:33:49 2011-09-13T23:33:51 hmm 2011-09-13T23:34:26 so it was in the head, but looking bad, because we are already sending database text through htmlentities, which screws it up unless you specify the "UTF-8" options 2011-09-13T23:34:40 so, regular text was fine, database stuff was wrong 2011-09-13T23:34:47 oh, i get it 2011-09-13T23:34:57 so it was php's fault then 2011-09-13T23:35:00 yeah 2011-09-13T23:35:14 ok, fair enough 2011-09-13T23:35:25 "If your organization isn't present in drowdown, select 'Other' and enter your organization." <- find the error 2011-09-13T23:35:27 yeah, so when we launch we can clear the db 2011-09-13T23:35:30 I couldn't probably set it globaly in the ini file 2011-09-13T23:35:41 McLeopold: how are we going to solve duplicates though? 2011-09-13T23:35:58 by hand? 2011-09-13T23:36:06 i guess that works 2011-09-13T23:36:10 just wait for forum posts 2011-09-13T23:36:35 there is no other way, I don't want to build in a levenstien distance and ask "do you mean this?" 2011-09-13T23:36:42 ya 2011-09-13T23:37:01 but it is the latest shit in the IT world :) 2011-09-13T23:37:18 maybe there is already a jQuery plugin... 2011-09-13T23:37:19 Even D does that. 2011-09-13T23:37:32 maybe we can have that when we get django 2011-09-13T23:37:38 MIT -> Massachu.... will be difficult though ^^ 2011-09-13T23:38:24 dang, it sounds fun to implement and now I want it... 2011-09-13T23:38:59 McLeopold: lol, nobody's stopping you 2011-09-13T23:39:17 amstan: so, I'm furiously working on backend issues. If you can get the remaining web pages, including the front page, ready for launch, we can launch. 2011-09-13T23:39:23 k 2011-09-13T23:39:30 don't do it! :) What if I am the first user and register 'University fo Waterloo' and everyone else gets this as first proposal 2011-09-13T23:39:54 I'll allow the next guy to correct it for everyone? 2011-09-13T23:40:07 yes... but that is even more work for you 2011-09-13T23:40:11 McLeopold: what about trolls? 2011-09-13T23:40:16 "Uizzle fo' Wizzle"? 2011-09-13T23:41:13 Corrections should go into a database for the authorities to check 2011-09-13T23:41:21 yeah, suggested edits 2011-09-13T23:42:52 Anyway, people who troll on their own organization should be few. I can't imagine anyone changing Microsoft to Micro$oft 2011-09-13T23:43:12 mleise: I don't think you understand what a troll is 2011-09-13T23:43:26 hmm 2011-09-13T23:43:26 lol, yes 2011-09-13T23:43:34 grifers don't follow rules, like, must work at org to troll them 2011-09-13T23:43:39 griefers 2011-09-13T23:44:04 I have difficulties to think like a troll 2011-09-13T23:44:46 ok, back to trueskill... 2011-09-13T23:47:13 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-09-13T23:48:59 *** GeorgeSebastian has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-13T23:48:59 *** GeorgeSebastian has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-13T23:58:34 *** dvladim has joined #aichallenge