2011-09-19T00:00:12 actually, I need to set it to compile, I think... 2011-09-19T00:02:02 McLeopold: were you going to delete matchup 266777? 2011-09-19T00:02:18 idk 2011-09-19T00:02:25 sure 2011-09-19T00:02:26 or somehow mark it to stop being retried forever 2011-09-19T00:02:34 oh, still doing that? 2011-09-19T00:02:56 just noticed that demerzel still hadn't gotten a game actually :) 2011-09-19T00:03:08 as I was closing some of my browser tabs 2011-09-19T00:03:08 I'll set it to my worker :) 2011-09-19T00:03:21 then I can mess with it 2011-09-19T00:04:05 but we figured out that it will never succeed since the player_id is all -1 2011-09-19T00:04:11 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-09-19T00:04:26 I'm going to manipulate the matchup_player data so I can put ChrisH in a game 2011-09-19T00:04:44 heh, ok 2011-09-19T00:05:11 okay, to find ChrisH in the rankings....at the bottom :P 2011-09-19T00:05:24 just so we remember to get demerzel unstuck :P 2011-09-19T00:05:44 McLeopold: yes, and likely to stay there. ;) 2011-09-19T00:06:03 At least until we get past this compilation issue, then I can work on bot brains. 2011-09-19T00:06:18 you submitted twice today? the same bot? 2011-09-19T00:06:48 sort of, one was trying to put all the code into a single source file, but the logic was the same for both 2011-09-19T00:07:24 all they do is reply "go" for each turn and make no moves. 2011-09-19T00:07:24 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-19T00:08:14 just to validate parsing code 2011-09-19T00:15:28 *** dvladim has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-09-19T00:21:43 ChrisH: the 2 functions are in classes, so they need the first parameter to be 'self' 2011-09-19T00:21:51 fix that and I think we are good 2011-09-19T00:22:10 Ok, you want me to make that change and submit a new pull request? 2011-09-19T00:22:46 ye 2011-09-19T00:22:49 s 2011-09-19T00:26:44 janzert: unless you want to fix my hacky "check for a go intermediate file" fix? 2011-09-19T00:27:07 not at the moment ;) 2011-09-19T00:27:12 about bed time for me 2011-09-19T00:28:37 amstan: need more git help 2011-09-19T00:28:48 ChrisH: hmm? 2011-09-19T00:29:27 I have a pending pull request from my fork to aichallenge, but I need to add an additional bit of code to that. 2011-09-19T00:29:28 janzert: can you wait until the fix is merged and then recycle the workers? 2011-09-19T00:29:36 I have made the change and pushed it to my fork 2011-09-19T00:29:49 but not sure how to update my pull request 2011-09-19T00:29:54 sure 2011-09-19T00:30:02 ChrisH: i've never done it myself, but i'm sure it's possible 2011-09-19T00:30:27 ChrisH: poke around, if you can't find it try the support.github.com, or #github 2011-09-19T00:30:47 github warns me I have an outstanding pull request and suggests I either go to it or update the commit range of my new pull request. 2011-09-19T00:31:02 yeah, update the commit range 2011-09-19T00:31:03 somehow.. 2011-09-19T00:31:08 it there 2011-09-19T00:31:13 I see both commits 2011-09-19T00:32:05 ok, good, I clicked the update commit range button, but github didn't give me any positive feedback, so I wasn't sure if anything happened. 2011-09-19T00:32:15 aichallenge: Chris epsilon * re248516 / worker/sandbox.py : Add missing self parameters to new methods. - http://git.io/ViFT6Q 2011-09-19T00:32:15 aichallenge: Scott Hamilton epsilon * r822a7cc / (worker/compiler.py worker/sandbox.py): 2011-09-19T00:32:15 aichallenge: Merge pull request #254 from ChrisHines/epsilon 2011-09-19T00:32:16 aichallenge: Fix for incorrect reporting of compile error fo Go. - http://git.io/ge9law 2011-09-19T00:33:07 yep, the code looks right in the main repo, good :) 2011-09-19T00:38:34 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-09-19T00:44:38 *** antimatroid has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-09-19T00:44:47 janzert: stuff updated? 2011-09-19T00:45:10 not yet, is it all set? 2011-09-19T00:45:17 uh 2011-09-19T00:45:56 yep 2011-09-19T00:46:46 current workers are shutdown 2011-09-19T00:51:09 *** antimatroid has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-19T01:20:37 I see the workers are running again, did the golang fix go live? 2011-09-19T01:21:43 it should be yes 2011-09-19T01:21:55 Ok, I'll resubmit and see how it goes. 2011-09-19T01:29:06 well, it didn't work, but it looks like it compiled and I got a good stack trace error message, so that's progress. 2011-09-19T01:30:57 :) 2011-09-19T01:32:00 janzert: what do you think about naming these "symmetric maps" as symmetric or fair? 2011-09-19T01:32:47 i am naming symmetric concepts more generally for normal form games for my honours thesis and have basically decided to name the equivalent idea as fair but not symmetric, even though there are isomorphisms which are symmetries of the game 2011-09-19T01:33:17 for the contest I'd rather keep the name symmetric 2011-09-19T01:33:51 yep fair enough 2011-09-19T01:34:05 if i had done this already back then i probably would have called them fair :P 2011-09-19T01:34:09 but i don't really care 2011-09-19T01:35:49 *** ChrisH has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-09-19T01:37:23 antimatroid: janzert: for the contest, since all maps will be symmetric, I'd rather have descriptive names, like 'maze' or 'splatter' or 'mountains' or 'rivers' 2011-09-19T01:37:54 okay, but somewhere it needs to say the maps are symmetric 2011-09-19T01:38:00 i was questioning that naming 2011-09-19T01:40:22 i would probably just create myself lots of questions if i renamed them as fair maps though 2011-09-19T01:40:28 anyway 2011-09-19T01:54:58 aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * rd109e83 / (sql/0_schema.sql sql/2_update_rankings.sql): add table for tracking opponent games - http://git.io/84jzow 2011-09-19T01:54:59 aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * rc162bd9 / (worker/compiler.py worker/sandbox.py): Merge branch 'epsilon' of github.com:aichallenge/aichallenge into epsilon - http://git.io/BF_mTQ 2011-09-19T02:00:40 *** berak has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-19T02:27:23 @later tell janzert http://pastebin.com/PWR3VYNc :D 2011-09-19T02:27:23 McLeopold: Yep. 2011-09-19T02:27:47 *** cody__ has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-19T02:32:39 @janzert I'm also a fan of letting bots duke it out. The decrease limit seems too strict. Could we instead lower the limit to a value that would cut out 5% of the *turns* rather than cut 5% of games? 2011-09-19T02:32:40 McLeopold: I have no idea what you mean. 2011-09-19T02:33:21 @later tell janzert I'm also a fan of letting bots duke it out. The decrease limit seems too strict. Could we instead lower the limit to a value that would cut out 7.5% of the *turns* rather than cut 7.5% of games? 2011-09-19T02:33:21 McLeopold: I come to serve. 2011-09-19T02:35:14 *** boegel has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-19T02:42:29 *** racko has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-19T02:45:34 *** chris__0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-19T02:49:01 *** Chris_0076 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-09-19T03:12:13 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-09-19T03:13:12 *** chris___0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-19T03:14:23 *** sir_macelon has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-19T03:15:08 *** chris__0076 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-09-19T03:15:32 McLeopold: just a minor issue: the skill change arrow on player's page is showing the opposite direction 2011-09-19T03:15:57 McLeopold: just look at any profile with a skill change 2011-09-19T03:17:19 McLeopold: also the deltas in the tooltip of skill and sigma changes are all at +0.00 2011-09-19T03:27:35 *** ltriant has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep) 2011-09-19T03:35:02 sir_macelon: the arrows are correct, I reverse the number so you can say "up 1 rank" and it shows an up arrow 2011-09-19T03:35:25 they should mostly match the direction of the arrows in the skill collumn 2011-09-19T03:36:42 McLeopold: If you check any profile page with a skill change you'll notice the skill arrows do not match in direction 2011-09-19T03:37:44 sir_macelon: your's are even right now... 2011-09-19T03:38:04 McLeopold: mine yes, but check GreenTea for instance 2011-09-19T03:38:18 http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/profile.php?user=21 2011-09-19T03:38:27 okay, I see it 2011-09-19T03:39:18 the profile page seems to lag behind rankings... 2011-09-19T03:50:08 McLeopold: I don't know if you have noticed this, but I replied under the issue #229 for no food at game start - it seems the problem is there 2011-09-19T03:51:41 McLeopold: Moreover some games have too low food spawn rate, I believe and generate a bit of random results, as there are periods where there's no food on the map and it is rather a matter who gets lucky to have food spawned close to his ants 2011-09-19T03:52:59 McLeopold: Most of those games weren't finished by the 1500 turn limit 2011-09-19T03:54:09 *** TTE has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-19T03:57:24 aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * r119b8ad / website/sql.php : fix bad profile rank/skill data - http://git.io/VjFRiA 2011-09-19T03:57:52 McLeopold: Here are some example games: 2011-09-19T03:57:53 http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/visualizer.php?game=177509 2011-09-19T03:58:11 http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/visualizer.php?game=177364 2011-09-19T03:59:08 McLeopold: But generaly you could look up the database for games that weren't decided by the 1500 turn limit and included top ranked bots 2011-09-19T04:02:33 *** onensora has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-19T04:05:28 *** hololeap has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-19T04:06:15 *** TTE has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-09-19T04:12:04 *** dr_terrible has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-09-19T04:14:48 aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * r2c0aa58 / website/sql.php : fix bad profile rank/skill data - http://git.io/W-2wmQ 2011-09-19T04:20:10 aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * r96ca57c / website/nice.php : fix nice html snippets - http://git.io/HmSvjg 2011-09-19T04:26:21 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-19T04:43:18 *** sir_macelon has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-09-19T04:43:58 aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * r6a610c1 / website/game_list.php : fix field count mismatch - http://git.io/FaHHdw 2011-09-19T04:48:34 it seems fft hates me 2011-09-19T04:54:37 mcstar: I hope the games don't end up with all bots avoiding each other and turning into a gas mix physics simulation. 2011-09-19T04:56:11 The fact that you have an unknown number > 1 of opponents makes everyone careful about loosing any ants. Aggressive players will just lose their ants to other players early. 2011-09-19T04:57:40 some time ago i think most of the top bots did exactly this 2011-09-19T04:57:47 they avoided each other 2011-09-19T04:58:00 but, obviously this isnt a winning strategy 2011-09-19T04:58:35 hopefully, those who have participated in beta will beat this obstacle first 2011-09-19T04:58:43 no of course not, but it is better than loosing all the time ;) 2011-09-19T04:58:57 i mean they will be the first ones with a nice battle strategy 2011-09-19T04:59:35 Show me a game where battles do not only occur about a) a food item or b) close to the turn limit, to get some points 2011-09-19T04:59:58 i have 3 ideas regarding battle so far 2011-09-19T05:00:02 shoot 2011-09-19T05:00:07 one was like what revolt does 2011-09-19T05:00:28 he inflates, then the repells other ants from his domain 2011-09-19T05:00:44 so those ants will fight more among themselves, so he spares his ants 2011-09-19T05:00:59 what i wanted, to do something like this, but to use aggressively water 2011-09-19T05:01:13 meaning that block corridors, and start the pressure from there 2011-09-19T05:01:29 and push enemies to water, where their degree of freedom decreses 2011-09-19T05:01:35 so they will be easier to kill 2011-09-19T05:01:43 another one, is fishing 2011-09-19T05:02:19 you guard a food from as far as possible, with multiple ants, and the enemies path becomes more predictable when it reaches for food... 2011-09-19T05:02:31 haha, nice idea 2011-09-19T05:02:34 the third one is chase down strategy 2011-09-19T05:03:03 but yeah using water as a natural border is an obvious strategy 2011-09-19T05:03:13 2 ants start chasing 1-2 enemy ants, and some other will coordinate together to come from the opposite direction, to catch the running ones 2011-09-19T05:03:49 i didnt find any other way, to make the moves of the enemy ants more predictable 2011-09-19T05:03:50 they will just eat your 1 support ant 2011-09-19T05:03:54 no 2011-09-19T05:04:03 yes 2011-09-19T05:04:05 obviously numbers matter 2011-09-19T05:04:11 but it can be made right 2011-09-19T05:04:25 if they don't stop running they crush your ant 2011-09-19T05:04:44 but maybe there will be more ants waiting 2011-09-19T05:05:09 it will be very hard, cause the environment is very very dynamic 2011-09-19T05:05:19 and hard to choose from these strategies 2011-09-19T05:05:35 ok, that is what some Dolphins do with fish swarms. Most of them drive the fish, while a few go have a meal 2011-09-19T05:05:41 (i mean to actually write this) 2011-09-19T05:06:00 why the captial d? 2011-09-19T05:06:15 is it your friend Dolphin? 2011-09-19T05:06:18 don't know ... some german relic 2011-09-19T05:06:21 aha 2011-09-19T05:06:32 ah yes, capitalized nouns right? 2011-09-19T05:06:34 i forgot 2011-09-19T05:06:53 Die Dolphin? 2011-09-19T05:06:55 right, all the time. but I see those come up in english as well. looking at menu entries in Eclipse for example 2011-09-19T05:07:05 no "der Delphin" :) 2011-09-19T05:07:06 lol 2011-09-19T05:07:32 i see, you breathe eclipse 2011-09-19T05:08:05 uh no... I just wrote some README.txt describing how someone would get the visualizer project running in the IDE 2011-09-19T05:08:27 and I realized they wrote "Build Path" and stuff like that 2011-09-19T05:08:34 i dont understand that framework, so its no use to tell me :) 2011-09-19T05:08:51 what framework? :D 2011-09-19T05:09:00 thats whole java world 2011-09-19T05:09:15 hey, i think im going to develop software 2011-09-19T05:09:22 *** eashoka has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-19T05:09:24 good idea, bye 2011-09-19T05:09:25 sonn i will give some firms my resume 2011-09-19T05:09:38 bye? 2011-09-19T05:09:40 you going? 2011-09-19T05:09:46 I thought you were coding now? 2011-09-19T05:09:55 mleise : resume ? 2011-09-19T05:10:01 but thats for scientific purposes 2011-09-19T05:10:16 eashoka: CV 2011-09-19T05:10:22 mleise : just joined and saw you this resume talk. :-) 2011-09-19T05:11:13 resumeé 2011-09-19T05:11:18 correctly i think 2011-09-19T05:11:19 nvm 2011-09-19T05:11:32 cv is more practical :) 2011-09-19T05:11:45 mleise : just joined and saw you doing this resume talk. :-) heh heh. changing jobs ? 2011-09-19T05:12:03 mleise: people amuse me sometimes 2011-09-19T05:12:05 mcstar is. 2011-09-19T05:12:37 You wouldn't believe what shows up in the D newsgroup sometimes 2011-09-19T05:12:56 btw, the first firm is called dolphio 2011-09-19T05:12:59 Trolls, drunks, advertisers 2011-09-19T05:13:06 BTW, I have a series issue to present to you guys. have a look at this game : http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/visualizer.php?game=188078&user=264 2011-09-19T05:13:31 mcstar : so whom r u quitting on ? 2011-09-19T05:13:36 mleise: you envy them cause you are just a regular guy? 2011-09-19T05:13:42 I see stupid bots.. they still actually *fight* ;) 2011-09-19T05:13:50 eashoka: academia probably 2011-09-19T05:14:16 mcstar : aha... welcome to the hard working real world then! 2011-09-19T05:14:28 hm 2011-09-19T05:14:36 its not soo easy you know here 2011-09-19T05:14:49 a paper doesnt write itself 2011-09-19T05:14:50 mcstar: It is really amazing, but I rather not do crazy stuff where it will forever be visible to the world if they only search long enough ;) 2011-09-19T05:15:20 in that game, the issue is any bot can win by committing hara-kiri (kamikaze to be precise) towards the end of turn limit 2011-09-19T05:15:37 eashoka: Yes that was my point b) above 2011-09-19T05:16:25 mleise : can't blame bots for doing that, they are just using the rules to their benefit. 2011-09-19T05:16:45 harakiri is suicide, kamikaze, is dying while killing someone else 2011-09-19T05:16:48 That's right, they try to keep alive for the showdown 2011-09-19T05:17:09 the reason why this is possible is that current rules pay no attention to the fact that who the real victor after a battle is. (ideally it should be the one who survies) 2011-09-19T05:17:33 who doesnt survive cant be the winner 2011-09-19T05:17:59 and the bots doesnt know when will the game end 2011-09-19T05:18:02 or do they? 2011-09-19T05:18:04 we don't count the remaining ants in the end but just give 2 points for a kill. so this is possible 2011-09-19T05:18:08 they do know 2011-09-19T05:18:11 really? 2011-09-19T05:18:14 f 2011-09-19T05:18:18 of course they know 2011-09-19T05:18:19 thats stupid 2011-09-19T05:18:24 dont send it 2011-09-19T05:19:45 any bot can count the turns and do the math and decide/guess when should the turn limit arrive for that particular map. 2011-09-19T05:19:53 they will still assume a limit like 1500 turns 2011-09-19T05:20:08 that probably will be incorrect 2011-09-19T05:20:21 and yes, the bots should keep statistics for themselves 2011-09-19T05:20:24 look at that game, winning bot smartly get active towards 250th turn :-) 2011-09-19T05:20:34 if they can predict an end-game condition, good for them 2011-09-19T05:20:44 but im against to sending maxturns to them 2011-09-19T05:21:07 point is this is not proper fighting, defence or anything. kamikaze is no brainer! 2011-09-19T05:21:17 harakiri 2011-09-19T05:21:21 you mean suicide right? 2011-09-19T05:22:07 I mean killing one-one. that's pretty easy compared to trying kill more opponents than ur losses 2011-09-19T05:22:17 ok 2011-09-19T05:22:30 we are doing something unnatural here. that's why this strategy is possible 2011-09-19T05:22:31 well, the other one shouldn let itself get killed 2011-09-19T05:22:50 thats +2 for each the players 2011-09-19T05:22:50 in any real world battle, one would try to survive the battle and claim the victory 2011-09-19T05:22:55 thats not good enough :) 2011-09-19T05:23:06 each of* 2011-09-19T05:23:14 here, we award the victory disregarding whther the victor is alive or not :-) 2011-09-19T05:23:22 nono 2011-09-19T05:23:25 dont tell me 2011-09-19T05:23:34 mcstar : look at that game 2011-09-19T05:23:36 the winner can have 0 ants? 2011-09-19T05:23:52 we discussed it a very long time ago that its stupid 2011-09-19T05:23:58 mleise: do you remember? 2011-09-19T05:24:16 no that's been too long 2011-09-19T05:24:35 there is a simple solution! 2011-09-19T05:24:49 eashoka: well, greentea still had 1 ant 2011-09-19T05:25:04 and he would lose, but the turn limit was too low 2011-09-19T05:25:21 this could happen against any turn limit 2011-09-19T05:25:26 i know what that is: write a better bot 2011-09-19T05:25:55 i tell you it is the player number. you have to play defensively with so many opponents 2011-09-19T05:26:46 we simply have to award a bonus for the winner (one who is having the largest army in the end) while encouraging doing battles 2011-09-19T05:26:54 eashoka: i have a feeling that theres a model when the increasing turn limit decreses the probability of having 1 ant justbefore theend and winning with it 2011-09-19T05:27:03 mleise : yea, defence is important too 2011-09-19T05:27:27 eashoka: then you would ignore the 2points per kill? 2011-09-19T05:27:43 that's why we should award some bonus to the one who remains in the end with the larger army 2011-09-19T05:27:45 just looking at the ant count is not representative 2011-09-19T05:27:52 here's my suggestion : 2011-09-19T05:28:14 mine is: integrate the ant-count curve 2011-09-19T05:28:31 1) DON'T GIVE points for spawning. one has to spawn to get going. no need to give bonuses for that 2011-09-19T05:28:39 the biggest means better bot, more activity, + factor in the kills 2011-09-19T05:28:49 2) +2 for a kill (to keep them interested in doing battles) 2011-09-19T05:28:56 thats a constant 2011-09-19T05:29:32 3) -1 for a lost ant in battle. (this will test the defensive skills and also help reduce kamikaze instances) 2011-09-19T05:29:52 still, if you lose ants during battle early on, you have a hard time recovering 2011-09-19T05:29:56 4) then in the end add remaining ant count to ur total score. do that for all. 2011-09-19T05:30:55 eashoka: hmm, so kamikaze will make your score go down, right? 2011-09-19T05:31:11 you know, i think the opposite way 2011-09-19T05:31:13 because other bots have more remaining ants 2011-09-19T05:31:22 otherwise I could just amass a large army without doing much battles and then towards end just try to exchange it wholesale. that's really not that difficult compare to doing skillful battles and killing more enemy, that's where the real value is 2011-09-19T05:31:51 mleise : yes, ur score goes up when u do smart battles. killing without getting killed. 2011-09-19T05:32:15 mleise : isn't that's what we try to promote ? 2011-09-19T05:32:41 *should* be trying to promote 2011-09-19T05:32:45 eashoka: yes, yes, I just cannot convince myself this will *ever* work in an n-player game 2011-09-19T05:34:02 haha, with your scoring people can get negative scores :p 2011-09-19T05:34:14 mleise : yea 2011-09-19T05:34:35 the big disgrace, the uber fail 2011-09-19T05:34:47 if one is loosing twice the many ants than killing and end up going extinct, that would happen 2011-09-19T05:35:09 they would deserve a - point in that case wouldn't they ? :-) 2011-09-19T05:35:22 they would, i like the idea 2011-09-19T05:36:04 it could be very motivating to work on the bot in that case. because you know you can do better 2011-09-19T05:37:01 the more smaller goals there are to achieve the better 2011-09-19T05:37:08 eashoka : my only worry is, what if someone totally trying to avoid battles and try to just remain with the larger army ? I hope that will not be possible unless ur really good at defence and gathering both. 2011-09-19T05:37:47 lets see what i have to say: lets score offence and defence separately, there will be a low norm first, after that, the best bot will provide the standard, other will be normed by it, you can average the two scores to gether to get a global score, like this: s1*w+s2*(1-w), then, we can chooose a w constant to appropriately promote battle, the best w would stabilize the upper rankings 2011-09-19T05:39:56 ps. i wouldnt give points for ants that remains or such, just to keep thinhs simple 2011-09-19T05:40:03 -s 2011-09-19T05:40:24 ants that remain is a simple score bonus :) 2011-09-19T05:40:33 mcstar : scoring has to be a very simple formula I think. explain in simple terms please. :-) 2011-09-19T05:40:35 yeah, im against it 2011-09-19T05:40:49 eashoka: simpler than what? i cant 2011-09-19T05:40:55 i can! 2011-09-19T05:41:22 score = defense_score * defense_weight + offense_score * offense_weight 2011-09-19T05:41:34 no 2011-09-19T05:41:37 yes 2011-09-19T05:41:41 the weights are interconnected 2011-09-19T05:41:46 no need to 2011-09-19T05:41:48 yes 2011-09-19T05:41:50 no 2011-09-19T05:41:56 yes 2011-09-19T05:41:59 why 2011-09-19T05:42:01 yes 2011-09-19T05:42:08 what do you mean? 2011-09-19T05:42:09 eashoka : I like the spirit of that formula 2011-09-19T05:42:19 we want a good balance between battle and defence 2011-09-19T05:42:29 if one weight goes up, the other must come down 2011-09-19T05:42:31 mcstar, mleeise : we can figure out details surrounding the weights later 2011-09-19T05:42:42 lol 2011-09-19T05:42:45 but that's a good agreeable start I think 2011-09-19T05:42:53 mcstar: mcstar i will address myself 2011-09-19T05:43:08 heh her 2011-09-19T05:43:21 damn! i'm having a key board nightmare today.... 2011-09-19T05:43:32 when do you not? 2011-09-19T05:43:37 is it broken, 2011-09-19T05:43:40 ? 2011-09-19T05:43:49 i mean im making a lot of typos, but you top me 2011-09-19T05:43:59 my mouse cable is broken, but we go off-topic :) 2011-09-19T05:44:09 sure 2011-09-19T05:44:17 i broke my mouse notlong ago 2011-09-19T05:44:22 literally 2011-09-19T05:44:40 so.. how would u calculate the defence_score for instance ? 2011-09-19T05:44:56 at least i wont be playing anymore not even my 1 time per month portion 2011-09-19T05:45:21 that is essentially the spawnrate-suicide 2011-09-19T05:46:19 and the offence score is obviously killed ants minus losses from my side 2011-09-19T05:46:35 yeah, not obviously 2011-09-19T05:46:50 it can be ergued that simply killed ants should be used 2011-09-19T05:46:53 argued* 2011-09-19T05:47:46 think it's better to get McLeopold and/or janzert involved in this as well, shall I go on and log a defect / feature request for this ? then we can think deep and put our elaborated thoughts there, all in one place. so that others can shoot them down easily and quickly :-) 2011-09-19T05:47:55 but tbh i have the perfect argument against not having this discussion 2011-09-19T05:48:03 whatever will be the BEST bot will win 2011-09-19T05:48:17 (by definition)so im alright with anything 2011-09-19T05:48:38 hehe, but we want to have an interesting match until it wins, no? 2011-09-19T05:48:41 eashoka: i dont think theres any point doing so 2011-09-19T05:48:47 mleise: no 2011-09-19T05:49:00 ah yeah 2011-09-19T05:49:04 youre the visualizer guy 2011-09-19T05:49:08 you want interesting graphics 2011-09-19T05:49:09 mcstar: ... yes ... 2011-09-19T05:49:17 :D 2011-09-19T05:49:41 next contest will be in 3D ;) 2011-09-19T05:49:45 lol 2011-09-19T05:49:53 even harder to analyze the game right? 2011-09-19T05:50:09 take a look at the aitoolbox 2011-09-19T05:50:11 no 2011-09-19T05:50:18 googling 2011-09-19T05:50:34 *** cichociemno has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-19T05:50:41 http://aisandbox.com/ 2011-09-19T05:50:50 mleise: this will be interesting when its done 2011-09-19T05:51:23 I think it's worth given a try (slightly better scoring system that is) and see it in action, then all can decide. hope changing the bonus calc code is a fairly simple one. 2011-09-19T05:51:24 eashoka: i think its too late for such a change 2011-09-19T05:51:45 you could have argued more about this in beta 2011-09-19T05:51:50 mcstar : that could very well be true 2011-09-19T05:52:19 actually, i dont have a say in all this, so the GUYS may change this, surely you should talk to them 2011-09-19T05:52:27 its only my oppinion that it wont change 2011-09-19T05:53:20 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6668252845907844439 <- jump to the 1 hour mark 2011-09-19T05:54:26 *** cody__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-09-19T05:55:17 whats that? 2011-09-19T05:55:27 i already have a series of videos i have to watch 2011-09-19T05:56:01 ok i read it 2011-09-19T05:56:16 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-09-19T05:56:29 mleise: that looks like a command prompt 2011-09-19T05:56:42 i dont think i want to have anything to do with that video 2011-09-19T05:57:07 why does someone who is writing ai code stay with windows 2011-09-19T05:57:17 its a biggest mystery than women 2011-09-19T05:57:22 bigger* 2011-09-19T05:58:51 mcstar: The video shows a 3D realtime strategy game 2011-09-19T05:59:02 mleise: i will be watching an arguemnt between a prof of our uni. and a greenpieceofshit someone over nuclear energy 2011-09-19T05:59:13 its supposed to be a very good talk ive got to watch it 2011-09-19T05:59:21 i mean they will be fighting or something 2011-09-19T05:59:42 like politicians on election talks 2011-09-19T05:59:56 i hope i wil get a good laugh out of it 2011-09-19T06:00:03 mcstar: It is spelled Greenpeace 2011-09-19T06:00:17 no, i think i spelled it right 2011-09-19T06:00:24 take another look 2011-09-19T06:00:28 you see? 2011-09-19T06:00:30 :D 2011-09-19T06:01:13 mleise: i hope you are not contaminated by them 2011-09-19T06:01:31 mcstar: no not at all, I am a member 2011-09-19T06:01:42 thats a nice joke 2011-09-19T06:01:54 are you serious? 2011-09-19T06:02:17 I used to be head of the genetic engeneering working group here in hannover 2011-09-19T06:04:11 ok, tell me what is the most heavily engineered plant? 2011-09-19T06:04:35 Had an argument with someone in the ministry of agriculture, and took part in some action on a nuclear power plant 2011-09-19T06:04:35 and lets say, what country has the most of it 2011-09-19T06:04:54 soy beans is the most spread one 2011-09-19T06:05:21 And although I am not up to date, I would say brasil, probably 2011-09-19T06:05:36 USA and Canada have a lot 2011-09-19T06:06:08 alright i believe you 2011-09-19T06:06:50 Monsanto, Du Pont, Pioneer, BASF are some company names. 2011-09-19T06:07:24 „Guckt man genauer hin, wird die Lobbyarbeit für die Gentechnikkonzerne (Monsanto, BASF etc.) deutlich. 2011-09-19T06:07:55 haha what was the search query? 2011-09-19T06:08:08 this 2011-09-19T06:08:11 and google found it 2011-09-19T06:08:28 :D 2011-09-19T06:08:37 its obvious what it was 2011-09-19T06:08:43 marco leise greanpeace 2011-09-19T06:08:47 green* 2011-09-19T06:09:26 well, i wont say sorry, because i mnot 2011-09-19T06:09:38