2011-10-05T00:00:02  <McLeopold> I'm sure I wrote the code in Feb :)
2011-10-05T00:00:54  <mleise> Actually you wrote so much code (website, SQL, ant paste, engine, starter bots) that I wonder how you manage that all.
2011-10-05T00:01:28  <mleise> don't you end up writing python in PHP and SQL in C++?
2011-10-05T00:01:52  <McLeopold> no, but I keep janzert busy with my bugs :)
2011-10-05T00:02:40  <mleise> Recently I wanted to write in a typed language and I was constantly forgetting to mention return or variable types thanks to too much JS exposure
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2011-10-05T01:16:03  <CIA-24> aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * rcd1882b / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix python starters - http://git.io/2Qq3_A
2011-10-05T01:16:04  <CIA-24> aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * r94f30a4 / (3 files): Merge branch 'epsilon' of github.com:aichallenge/aichallenge into epsilon - http://git.io/wNrxqQ
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2011-10-05T03:35:28  <CIA-24> aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * r2ec21b0 / ants/dist/starter_bots/python/ants.py : fix python starter visible function - http://git.io/GKlXsQ
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2011-10-05T04:21:18  <Blkt> good morning everyone
2011-10-05T04:27:36  <CIA-24> aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * rf0681c3 / (6 files): Added tutorial game replays. - http://git.io/Y8z44g
2011-10-05T04:27:37  <CIA-24> aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * r32e7dce / ants/maps/example/tutorial1.map : Added tutorial map - http://git.io/Lp3GEQ
2011-10-05T04:27:42  <McLeopold> Hi Blkt
2011-10-05T04:28:25  <McLeopold> @later tell amstan can you review the tutorial I wrote on the wiki.  This would replace the "Climbing the Rankings" section.
2011-10-05T04:28:25  <contestbot> McLeopold: As you wish.
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2011-10-05T04:28:48  <sir_macelon> hi
2011-10-05T04:28:54  <McLeopold> howdy
2011-10-05T04:30:25  <sir_macelon> McLeopold: So what is preventing us from the launch?
2011-10-05T04:30:43  <McLeopold> sir_macelon: Google has to approve the use of the name.
2011-10-05T04:30:56  <McLeopold> So, we are waiting for Jeff to meet with them on Tuesday
2011-10-05T04:31:01  <Blkt> hi there
2011-10-05T04:31:24  <sir_macelon> McLeopold: oh, so that's pretty close
2011-10-05T04:31:47  <McLeopold> very close
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2011-10-05T04:37:29  <McLeopold> antimatroid: check out the tutorial I wrote
2011-10-05T04:37:42  <McLeopold> on the wiki
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2011-10-05T04:38:21  <eashoka> mcleopold : hi
2011-10-05T04:38:26  <McLeopold> hi
2011-10-05T04:38:51  <eashoka> seems like there is a problem in the profile :-) http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/profile.php?user=9
2011-10-05T04:39:20  <McLeopold> where's the problem?
2011-10-05T04:39:48  <eashoka> after playing 1 game with version 8, it has again updated the skill of version 7
2011-10-05T04:39:52  <eashoka> look at the top 2 games
2011-10-05T04:40:12  <eashoka> skill of the top game should be awarded to version 8 instead.
2011-10-05T04:40:24  <eashoka> some threading issue may be ?
2011-10-05T04:40:35  <McLeopold> meh, probably
2011-10-05T04:40:52  <McLeopold> we can't halt a game just because someone submitted a new bot
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2011-10-05T04:41:38  <McLeopold> the games were run on different workers
2011-10-05T04:42:12  <McLeopold> at 1000 turns for the last one, it probably ran longer, but started first
2011-10-05T04:43:19  <eashoka> mcleopold : I see
2011-10-05T04:44:57  <eashoka> mcleopold : yea the summary for version 7 (at the bottom section) shows the skill after it's 203th game. then this is not a big issue I guess. (except some may get confused looking at the top of the profile page)
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2011-10-05T04:47:25  <eashoka> mcleopold : is the date set for the launch ? :-)
2011-10-05T04:47:37  <McLeopold> no
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2011-10-05T05:27:12  <nh_> this time any pascal or delphi package available?
2011-10-05T05:27:26  <McLeopold> not yet, care to write one?
2011-10-05T05:28:41  <nh_> i think im not aware enough to translate from another language
2011-10-05T05:29:34  <McLeopold> what languages do you know?
2011-10-05T05:29:46  <nh_> delphi^^
2011-10-05T05:30:23  <mleise> did I hear Delphi? Be welcome to delphigl.com
2011-10-05T05:30:45  <mleise> oh wait... you probably came from there :)
2011-10-05T05:30:51  <nh_> yeah
2011-10-05T05:31:09  <mleise> shall we add a FreePascal support?
2011-10-05T05:34:32  <McLeopold> I used to know pascal...
2011-10-05T05:34:46  <McLeopold> I think I've still got my book
2011-10-05T05:39:44  <mleise> i used to know c++ I think i've still got 2 books
2011-10-05T05:41:02  <mleise> nh_: I think I could add Pascal support. We have quite a few languages already that are used by only few people.
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2011-10-05T06:09:36  <mleise> McLeopold: I always find myself owning books for programming languages, but actually learning from the internet.
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2011-10-05T06:28:33  <mcstar> i think IBM has a bigger image, so to speak, than google, maybe someone should ask for their support
2011-10-05T06:29:15  <mcstar> IBM AI Challange, sounds at least as good as google, its justa search engine after all, IBM created the computing experience
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2011-10-05T06:36:46  <mcstar> e*
2011-10-05T06:49:08  <jbroman> mcstar: Really? You think IBM is more prominent nowadays than Google?
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2011-10-05T06:51:54  <mcstar> IBM will survive google
2011-10-05T06:52:06  <mcstar> and im not talking about market share, rather history
2011-10-05T06:52:37  <mleise> I thought Google was the new world order?
2011-10-05T06:52:46  <mcstar> for a time maybe it is
2011-10-05T06:53:19  <mleise> it is in dictionaries even. (to) google smth.
2011-10-05T06:53:35  <mcstar> sg.
2011-10-05T06:53:47  <mcstar> i believe something is shortened as sg.
2011-10-05T06:53:51  <mleise> when did you last say "Let me ibm that quickly."
2011-10-05T06:53:54  <mcstar> at least thats how i learnt it
2011-10-05T06:53:56  <jbroman> IBM is an old company, yes. And yes, they've done some impressive research (inc. AI research). I'm not sure its brand is nearly as strong, though.
2011-10-05T06:54:37  <mcstar> of course my opinion is only an opinion, and i dont debate hard facts
2011-10-05T06:54:51  <mcstar> im just saying IBM sounds at least as cool as google
2011-10-05T06:55:22  <mcstar> so, if, maybe, google doesnt want to give enough money, turn somewhere else
2011-10-05T06:55:59  <mcstar> tell me some other brands that you would like to see in the name of the challenge?
2011-10-05T06:56:09  <mcstar> i resent ms/apple
2011-10-05T06:56:11  <mleise> Amazon?
2011-10-05T06:56:17  <mcstar> no yahoo or amazon
2011-10-05T06:56:40  <mleise> lol, Amazon AI Challenge. That sounds really disconnected
2011-10-05T06:56:48  <mcstar> :)
2011-10-05T06:57:03  <mcstar> "hey, it runs on the kindle, great"
2011-10-05T06:57:06  <jbroman> TBH, one option for the future is not naming the contest after them, but say "sponsored by Foo".
2011-10-05T06:57:11  <jbroman> Where Foo may even be multiple companies.
2011-10-05T06:57:19  <mcstar> thats good too
2011-10-05T06:57:30  <mcstar> but are they willing to share sponsoring?
2011-10-05T06:57:33  <eashoka> mleise, mcstar : beggers can't be choosers! I suggest ask and then take money from anybody who is willing :-)
2011-10-05T06:57:57  <jbroman> mcstar: If one company is not willing to fund the entire thing, sure. Depends on how expensive we become.
2011-10-05T06:58:04  <mcstar> eashoka: if the biggest isnt up to give money, why would some other company?
2011-10-05T06:59:12  <mcstar> of course you can say, to appeal to a second company: hey, you get to sponsore something, that google just refused, therefore, if it becomes successful, you get the fame instead of google
2011-10-05T06:59:36  <jbroman> I wouldn't say "Google refused".
2011-10-05T06:59:40  <mcstar> not yet
2011-10-05T06:59:43  <mcstar> :D
2011-10-05T06:59:49  <jbroman> Even if they did.
2011-10-05T06:59:54  <mcstar> yeah, im exaggerating
2011-10-05T07:00:02  <jbroman> I'm not convinced that saying "your competitor didn't think it was worth it" is an attractive play.
2011-10-05T07:00:35  <mcstar> i think it can be :), bit of a gamble, sure
2011-10-05T07:01:09  <mcstar> my opinion again, is that i would perfectly fine if ANY university would put its name to it
2011-10-05T07:01:21  <mleise> who would you fine?
2011-10-05T07:01:29  <mcstar> would be perfetcly fine with*
2011-10-05T07:01:57  <mcstar> mleise: i dont want to personally fine anybody
2011-10-05T07:01:58  <mleise> MIT already has it's challenge
2011-10-05T07:02:06  <jbroman> mcstar: Used to have "Computer Science Club of the University of Waterloo" in the name. But we don't have a ton of money. :P
2011-10-05T07:02:22  <eashoka> surely it can't be that much to keep ther servers running for 2 months ? (I guess that will be the main cost, we all can help in spreading the word across.. no need for paid advertisements)
2011-10-05T07:02:22  <eashoka> jbroman : have you got any figures (estimates) on exactly how much we are going to cost ?
2011-10-05T07:02:34  <mcstar> unfortunately, i think it would be perfectly cool to call it the waterloo uni. contest
2011-10-05T07:02:35  <jbroman> eashoka: Ask j3camero, janzert or amstan.
2011-10-05T07:03:28  <mcstar> i dont think it was paid-advertised in the past, was it?
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2011-10-05T07:08:02  <mcstar> how about asking for wolfram's support?
2011-10-05T07:08:21  <mleise> Last I heard we were going for $2000 funding
2011-10-05T07:09:43  <mcstar> he isnt here
2011-10-05T07:10:21  <mleise> I see. Why do people always quit IRC before getting a good answers?
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2011-10-05T07:11:01  <mleise> meh. I'm gonna help my sister with her physics homework
2011-10-05T07:11:45  <mcstar> technically, he didnt quit
2011-10-05T07:11:48  <mcstar> but timed out
2011-10-05T07:12:05  <mcstar> but i dont know, its annoying
2011-10-05T07:12:17  <mcstar> good luck with the homework?
2011-10-05T07:12:28  <mcstar> high school or university?
2011-10-05T07:16:38  <mleise> univeristy
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2011-10-05T08:24:24  <Gero> Hello
2011-10-05T08:25:45  <spacebat_> hi
2011-10-05T08:25:52  <Gero> Someone could help me ? I m looking for a way to debug my java project for Ants challenge. I would like to print some text.
2011-10-05T08:26:43  <spacebat_> I worked around the restrictions on output by opening a separate file for logging
2011-10-05T08:27:09  <spacebat_> with a debug flag, be sure its off before you submit
2011-10-05T08:27:41  <Gero> ok thc you. It s what i was working on.
2011-10-05T08:27:57  <spacebat_> perhaps make your bot require a command line arg to turn debug on, and write a wrapper script that you use for testing that enables debug
2011-10-05T08:28:35  <spacebat_> I'm wondering if there is an event to indicate that a hill has been razed
2011-10-05T08:28:54  <Gero> Good idea i will try this =)
2011-10-05T08:29:09  <spacebat_> and what it takes to raze a hill - just move an enemy ant over it for 1 turn?
2011-10-05T08:30:51  <spacebat_> with respect to the sponsorship question earlier, I think it a good idea to use paypal and charge $2 or so to join the contest
2011-10-05T08:31:41  <spacebat_> monies left over can go into either a prize or funding development of the next year's challenge
2011-10-05T08:32:05  <spacebat_> without sponsorship, an impressive enough name would be the world AI challenge
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2011-10-05T08:45:19  <mleise> If the challenge required a PayPal account I would not be here.
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2011-10-05T09:21:58  <CIA-24> aichallenge: Andrew Kirkpatrick epsilon * r983f45b / ants/dist/starter_bots/common_lisp/ants.lisp : store food coordinates in row,col order like the rest - http://git.io/JOOADg
2011-10-05T09:21:58  <CIA-24> aichallenge: Andrew Kirkpatrick epsilon * r0832502 / ants/dist/starter_bots/common_lisp/ants.lisp : initial support for ant hills - http://git.io/2m9ksg
2011-10-05T09:21:58  <CIA-24> aichallenge: Andrew Kirkpatrick epsilon * r97c6e11 / ants/dist/starter_bots/common_lisp/ants.lisp : support WATERP and WATER? as equivalent functions - http://git.io/riy5tA
2011-10-05T09:21:59  <CIA-24> aichallenge: Erik Winkels epsilon * r5880159 / ants/dist/starter_bots/common_lisp/ants.lisp :
2011-10-05T09:21:59  <CIA-24> aichallenge: Merge pull request #278 from spacebat/epsilon
2011-10-05T09:21:59  <CIA-24> aichallenge: store food coordinates in row,col order like the rest - http://git.io/TDTgeA
2011-10-05T09:37:34  <delt0r_> mleise ditto: One i don't think that will work with the demographic that is interested: Two I don't touch paypal... ever again. Ever
2011-10-05T09:38:06  <delt0r_> never Ever
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2011-10-05T09:55:50  <mcstar> delt0r_: have you been cyber-robbed or what?
2011-10-05T09:56:30  <delt0r_> yes
2011-10-05T09:56:39  <delt0r_> by paypal
2011-10-05T09:56:49  <mcstar> i wouldnt mind if you were a little more verbose
2011-10-05T09:56:53  <mcstar> what happened?
2011-10-05T09:56:53  <delt0r_> they still try to take cash from the canceled CC
2011-10-05T09:57:22  <delt0r_> They randomly decided that i owed them 400US
2011-10-05T09:57:33  <mcstar> :S
2011-10-05T09:57:52  <mcstar> were you using paypal actively?
2011-10-05T09:58:05  <delt0r_> no
2011-10-05T09:58:18  <delt0r_> just because some site needed it
2011-10-05T09:58:45  <delt0r_> so i had only 20EU of legit transactions
2011-10-05T09:58:51  <mcstar> im registered with them, but never actually payed anything through them, as far as i can remember
2011-10-05T09:59:46  <delt0r_> I would recommend against it
2011-10-05T09:59:55  <mcstar> so how did you resolve this fiasco?
2011-10-05T10:00:29  <delt0r_> I canceled my Credit card and got things reversed via my bank and CC
2011-10-05T10:01:20  <delt0r_> if you want payments from them... then read the terms and conditions.
2011-10-05T10:01:53  <mcstar> what is CC?
2011-10-05T10:02:06  <delt0r_> They have a "if we think you are fraudulent we will block all payments and keep the cash and you agree to never challenge our decision"
2011-10-05T10:02:11  <delt0r_> Credit Card
2011-10-05T10:02:18  <mcstar> nub me
2011-10-05T10:02:20  <mcstar> :)
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2011-10-05T10:03:05  <delt0r_> Compare to a bank that thinks you are fraudulent... they report it to the police and *don't* get to keep the cash
2011-10-05T10:03:34  <kikoo_> hello
2011-10-05T10:04:19  <kikoo_> There is something to do to attack with an ant or just need to move it at range ?
2011-10-05T10:05:41  <mcstar> you can only control the next desired direction of the ant
2011-10-05T10:06:11  <mcstar> i.e. you may or may not be able to move the ant for the next turn 1 step in the desired direction
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2011-10-05T16:00:09  <CIA-24> aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * rca3e2de / website/specification.php : fixes #277 - http://git.io/Dht0qA
2011-10-05T16:00:09  <CIA-24> aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * r5efc329 / ants/dist/starter_bots/common_lisp/ants.lisp : Merge branch 'epsilon' of github.com:aichallenge/aichallenge into epsilon - http://git.io/chcsMw
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2011-10-05T17:09:15  <CIA-24> aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * r253da12 / (3 files): remove old pages - http://git.io/6tjr3g
2011-10-05T17:09:16  <CIA-24> aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * rce2393a / (4 files): switch pages to use wiki content - http://git.io/xU0aKw
2011-10-05T17:09:16  <CIA-24> aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * r92e79b1 / (6 files): add ants tutorial pages - http://git.io/J07gZg
2011-10-05T17:09:16  <CIA-24> aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * r1a9f670 / (website/specification_battle.php website/strategy_guide.php): add more web pages - http://git.io/JJqqXQ
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2011-10-05T18:11:09  <mleise> what scala compiler is installed on the beta server?
2011-10-05T18:24:05  <mcstar> just when i got accustomed to the up/left sign in button...
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2011-10-05T18:34:41  <mleise> hmm, this new setup of programming languages that keeps files on one of our servers has a little licensing problem
2011-10-05T18:37:20  <CIA-24> aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * r2350abc / (3 files in 2 dirs): shrink header height - http://git.io/Ai5cmA
2011-10-05T18:41:01  <CIA-24> aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * r415362c / website/css/typo.css : fix ugly colors - http://git.io/bDvw0w
2011-10-05T18:44:31  <McLeopold> mleise: what's the problem?
2011-10-05T18:49:41  <mleise> McLeopold: I have to check with Walter Bright what his license was made for. Basically it boils down to "no redistribution of DMD"
2011-10-05T18:50:42  <CIA-24> aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * rd38b80b / website/css/typo.css : Fix inline code tag. - http://git.io/HR9OXA
2011-10-05T18:50:53  <mleise> I hope he meant "no redistribution to real people" ;)
2011-10-05T18:51:09  <McLeopold> mleise: so, how are you suppose to program in D?
2011-10-05T18:52:03  <mleise> hehe, I'm free to download a copy from ftp.digitalmars.com
2011-10-05T18:52:53  <mleise> keep everything as is, I asked in the newsgroup
2011-10-05T18:54:08  <CIA-24> aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * rc32dbaf / website/css/typo.css : fix inline code tag - http://git.io/TWylXw
2011-10-05T18:55:13  <mleise> McLeopold: there are other compiler backends though, like GCC and LLVM that have other licenses. But when we started planning GDC x64 (GCC) was instable.
2011-10-05T19:01:00  <CIA-24> aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * r1a63802 / website/visualizer_widget.php : fix visualizer pre tag border/background - http://git.io/9Pj_Dg
2011-10-05T19:06:19  <CIA-24> aichallenge: McLeopold epsilon * r26ef861 / website/visualizer_widget.php : fix visualizer pre tag border/background correctly - http://git.io/w3hEug
2011-10-05T19:14:05  <mleise> McLeopold: If I add the FreePascal compiler, how would I trigger the installation on the server?
2011-10-05T19:16:31  <McLeopold> mleise: in the setup folder, the worker_setup.py script
2011-10-05T19:16:50  <mleise> I just launch it with no parameters?
2011-10-05T19:18:05  <CIA-24> aichallenge: Marco Leise epsilon * r97549d1 / setup/worker_setup.py : added FreePascal compiler - http://git.io/yHENXQ
2011-10-05T19:18:05  <CIA-24> aichallenge: Marco Leise epsilon * r7b15cf6 / (32 files in 8 dirs): Merge branch 'epsilon' of github.com:aichallenge/aichallenge into epsilon - http://git.io/OpNlvw
2011-10-05T19:29:50  <mleise> McLeopold: That script asks me too many questions
2011-10-05T19:30:40  <McLeopold> mleise: are you setting up a test server?
2011-10-05T19:30:52  <McLeopold> or a test worker?
2011-10-05T19:31:27  <mleise> no, I don't have an Ubuntu installation to mess around with. I planned on updating aichallengebeta
2011-10-05T19:35:24  <McLeopold> mleise: languages go on the workers, not the main server
2011-10-05T19:37:04  <mleise> McLeopold: oh Walter answered me.. wait a sec
2011-10-05T19:37:50  <mleise> "Yes. Feel free to do this."
2011-10-05T19:39:53  <mleise> McLeopold: I'll just wait till someone gets around to starting a server then. I have to write a Pascal starter package first anyway.
2011-10-05T19:42:34  <McLeopold> okay
2011-10-05T19:42:54  <McLeopold> did you just need the fpc package?
2011-10-05T19:43:16  <mleise> Yes, I added fp-compiler to the package list
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2011-10-05T19:46:26  <mleise> McLeopold: I'll add the compiler switches when I know them ^^
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2011-10-05T23:17:26  <joexner> Hello
2011-10-05T23:17:47  <joexner> So, when does this year's challenge start/end?
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2011-10-05T23:19:50  <joexner> Hello?
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2011-10-05T23:58:59  <UncleVasya> Hi. GreenTea uploaded his bot 4 minutes earlier than I did. Jered59 - 12 minutes after me. Both of them already played 5 games while mine played 0. Our uploads were made nearly 5 hours ago.