2011-10-12T00:06:43 *** dvladim has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T00:14:20 aichallenge: janzert * r4faca09 / website/visualizer_widget.php : Expand visualizer to fill wider content area - http://git.io/zp_XCA 2011-10-12T00:16:09 *** dvladim has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-10-12T00:17:39 aichallenge: janzert * r3b9eeba / website/css/layout.css : Give the menu a narrower right margin - http://git.io/-rmpxQ 2011-10-12T00:28:18 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-10-12T00:40:51 @later tell mleise is there any debug mode for the visualizer that displays the number of food sitting around? 2011-10-12T00:40:51 janzert: Aye, aye, sir 2011-10-12T00:41:01 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T00:41:15 janzert: looking at cutoffs? 2011-10-12T00:41:24 a bit yeah 2011-10-12T00:41:52 we are still going to remove maps with long hill-to-hill distances, so don't include those in your analysis 2011-10-12T00:42:00 yep 2011-10-12T00:42:19 I'm counting those in just the plain bad map category ;) 2011-10-12T00:50:02 *** Palmik has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T01:08:43 *** Accoun has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2011-10-12T01:10:23 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2011-10-12T01:18:15 *** davidjliu has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T01:20:46 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T01:25:06 *** Accoun has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-10-12T01:29:06 *** ChrisH__ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-12T01:29:38 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T01:34:30 *** Palmik has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-12T01:37:00 *** davidjliu has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-12T01:59:14 *** okay is now known as okayzed 2011-10-12T02:25:01 *** ltriant has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep) 2011-10-12T02:26:56 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-10-12T02:39:47 *** onensora has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T02:40:14 *** Accoun has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-12T02:44:39 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T02:44:49 *** kaemo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-10-12T02:50:35 janzert: no, there is no such option 2011-10-12T03:25:26 *** onensora has quit IRC () 2011-10-12T03:30:19 *** onensora has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T03:30:25 *** aerique has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T03:33:54 *** Blkt has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T03:37:19 *** ibdknox has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-12T03:38:31 good morning everyone 2011-10-12T04:18:34 *** kaemo has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T04:22:25 *** Chris_0076 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-12T04:22:29 *** chris__0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T04:41:00 *** boegel has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T04:45:37 morning, Blkt 2011-10-12T04:46:50 I think I'll use this from now on: alias double ℝ; alias size_t ℕ; 2011-10-12T04:47:10 ? 2011-10-12T04:49:01 foreach (ℕ i; 0..20) writeln(i); 2011-10-12T04:49:27 ℝ f = 0.5; 2011-10-12T04:54:45 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T05:07:43 *** kaemo has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2011-10-12T05:33:08 McLeopold: ping 2011-10-12T05:43:29 *** kaemo has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T05:44:02 *** olexs has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T06:06:42 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T06:15:15 *** espes has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-10-12T06:31:54 *** g0llum has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T06:46:57 *** Palmik has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T06:52:42 *** kaemo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-10-12T07:02:55 *** eashoka has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T07:22:10 *** eashoka has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-12T07:23:26 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T07:32:28 *** g0llum has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-12T07:34:16 *** g0llum has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T07:36:18 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T07:39:35 *** mikewintermute has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T07:39:46 *** mikewintermute has left #aichallenge 2011-10-12T07:41:06 *** george_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T07:44:37 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-12T07:47:08 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-10-12T07:48:33 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T08:00:36 *** mceier has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-10-12T08:03:57 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T08:10:51 *** mceier has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2011-10-12T08:24:38 *** olexs1 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T08:25:42 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T08:26:28 *** olexs has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-10-12T08:28:21 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-10-12T08:29:05 *** espes has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T08:30:05 *** Abrackadabra has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T08:30:19 hello people 2011-10-12T08:30:43 i'm ant 2011-10-12T08:30:52 can i ask a question? 2011-10-12T08:31:32 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T08:31:42 so... 2011-10-12T08:32:46 Can i somehow run my bot locally without sending it to the server? Is there an analog to PlayGame.jar like it was with planet wars? 2011-10-12T08:33:20 read up: http://antsbeta.janzert.com/using_the_tools.php 2011-10-12T08:34:05 thanks 2011-10-12T08:34:47 *** aarossig has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T08:34:59 rabidus: youre such a child 2011-10-12T08:35:07 Hey guys, who altered the header on the beta site? 2011-10-12T08:35:09 true 2011-10-12T08:35:22 i'm huge child 2011-10-12T08:35:25 this is computerwiz_222, creator of the original design 2011-10-12T08:35:26 the Header Alteration Group 2011-10-12T08:35:33 hey 2011-10-12T08:35:36 janzert 2011-10-12T08:35:43 if you ask that way 2011-10-12T08:35:44 what's the sitsuation about tcp server? 2011-10-12T08:36:06 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T08:36:06 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-10-12T08:36:09 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-12T08:36:13 aarossig: looks bad doesnt it? 2011-10-12T08:36:14 I feel that the proportions are off a little, the header is a little too short 2011-10-12T08:36:18 mcstar: yes 2011-10-12T08:36:27 I'm glad that I'm not alone in this 2011-10-12T08:37:00 aarossig: they wanted to change the header height, and they had to rename it 2011-10-12T08:37:04 aarossig: offer a new design 2011-10-12T08:37:07 name change is fine 2011-10-12T08:37:22 http://imgur.com/QHzZ5 2011-10-12T08:37:32 ugh, some discovered photoshop and tarted the logo up :-( 2011-10-12T08:37:38 header should be left alone, it was similar proportions to the navbar and created a bit of unity in the design 2011-10-12T08:38:01 mcstar: what's with the blue? 2011-10-12T08:38:15 mcstar: lol 2011-10-12T08:38:20 its to my likind 2011-10-12T08:38:23 g* 2011-10-12T08:38:27 you dont have to agree :) 2011-10-12T08:38:48 pay attention to the grey background 2011-10-12T08:38:50 I don't agree 2011-10-12T08:39:03 blue+green just induces headaches :P 2011-10-12T08:39:10 and colors aside) 2011-10-12T08:39:16 ? 2011-10-12T08:39:19 mcstar: we had a blue background before, it was painful until someone offered the brown 2011-10-12T08:40:14 anyway -- I suggest we revert to the old header with the new name 2011-10-12T08:40:43 aarossig: get an issue on github, i'll support it 2011-10-12T08:41:03 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T08:41:04 it wastes some vertical height, yes. but it looks good and I have no issue viewing on my netbook 2011-10-12T08:48:44 *** kaemo has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T08:49:17 https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/issues/new 2011-10-12T08:50:17 sorry about that... https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/issues/285 2011-10-12T08:50:22 aarossig: you wanted this: http://hypertriangle.com/~alex/aichallenge/website/ 2011-10-12T08:50:56 amstan: yes, like that 2011-10-12T08:53:40 not that anyone should care, but the shorter header is much better 2011-10-12T08:54:01 mcstar: be nice 2011-10-12T08:54:54 im sorry, i was as nice as i possibly can be 2011-10-12T08:55:14 mcstar: it is, but the way it was done is weird 2011-10-12T08:55:17 it's too extreme 2011-10-12T08:57:01 aarossig: do you see those horizontal separators on the sidebar? 2011-10-12T08:57:29 they're ok colour wise, but they should be full width 2011-10-12T08:57:43 i think they depend on the browser and its theme 2011-10-12T08:57:52 for example its very ugly for me 2011-10-12T08:58:10 i using a redmond95 theme, and it shouldnt interfere with those separators 2011-10-12T08:58:16 m* 2011-10-12T08:58:31 mcstar: screenshot? 2011-10-12T08:58:56 just look at the one i linked in 2011-10-12T08:59:08 and be sure its 100% 2011-10-12T08:59:17 i mean the zoom-level 2011-10-12T08:59:36 mcstar: i don't know what's going on there though 2011-10-12T08:59:41 it's all gray and stuff 2011-10-12T08:59:48 can you just give me the original? 2011-10-12T09:01:37 amstan: http://imgur.com/iyVop 2011-10-12T09:02:47 mcstar: yeah, looks almost right 2011-10-12T09:02:59 and you have chrome? 2011-10-12T09:03:07 this was in ff 2011-10-12T09:03:38 huh, i chrome its not that white 2011-10-12T09:03:41 in* 2011-10-12T09:03:50 ok 2011-10-12T09:04:08 ok, i thought its the theme, then its simply ugly 2011-10-12T09:04:30 of course it doesnt have a big impact or anything 2011-10-12T09:20:31 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-10-12T09:25:09 men i need help again 2011-10-12T09:25:27 i'm trying to test my bot 2011-10-12T09:26:08 i javaced it and put into mybot/ 2011-10-12T09:26:15 and i run such a command 2011-10-12T09:26:17 playgame.py --engine_seed 42 --player_seed 42 --food none --end_wait=0.25 --verbose --log_dir game_logs --turns 30 --map_file submission_test/test.map %1 "python %~dp0sample_bots\python\GreedyBot.py" "java -cp c:\temp\ants\tools\mybot MyBot" -e --nolaunch --strict --capture_errors 2011-10-12T09:26:59 and it says cannot find or load main class 2011-10-12T09:27:31 but this command "java -cp c:\temp\ants\tools\mybot MyBot" runs normally from the console 2011-10-12T09:27:36 what should i do? 2011-10-12T09:29:30 in general my question is: how should i run java bots? 2011-10-12T09:30:59 *** mleise has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-12T09:31:25 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T09:34:07 so..? 2011-10-12T09:35:01 *** mleise has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-12T09:35:11 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T09:35:27 java -cp path/to/.class/files ClassNameWithMainMethod 2011-10-12T09:35:32 this works for me 2011-10-12T09:35:39 but i dont know anything about java 2011-10-12T09:37:39 yeah, confirmed, works when i run play_one_game.sh 2011-10-12T09:38:40 one thing you could try is using double backslashes instead of single ones 2011-10-12T09:39:05 i guess its windows or os/2 that youre using, so you basically escape with \ (maybe i dont know) 2011-10-12T09:42:12 so 2011-10-12T09:42:32 should i use java MyBot" 2011-10-12T09:43:01 oh 2011-10-12T09:43:04 wait a second 2011-10-12T09:44:44 *** g0llum has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-12T09:45:07 *** g0llum has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T09:45:26 doesnt work 2011-10-12T09:45:46 the problem is 2011-10-12T09:46:02 when i run "java MyBot" from console - it's ok 2011-10-12T09:46:42 Abrackadabra: you start java MyBot from the bot directory, right? 2011-10-12T09:46:50 but when i give "java MyBot" to playgame.py it says "Error: Could not find or load main class ..MyBot" 2011-10-12T09:47:04 yes 2011-10-12T09:47:16 i told you what to do, it works from anywhere 2011-10-12T09:47:17 "java -cp MyBot" <- !!! 2011-10-12T09:47:29 exactly 2011-10-12T09:47:47 one thing though, maybe you should use relative filenames, maybe it does matter 2011-10-12T09:48:13 playgame.py does some magic to the so maybe it works with the same dp~ syntax applied to the greedy.py bot there 2011-10-12T09:48:31 to the? 2011-10-12T09:49:14 mleise: java -cp c:\temp\ants\tools\mybot MyBot doesnt work too 2011-10-12T09:50:27 Abrackadabra: and the .class files are in that directory, not in a subfolder 'bin' or something? 2011-10-12T09:50:33 that is strange 2011-10-12T09:50:37 exactly 2011-10-12T09:51:03 Abrackadabra: can you run "java -cp c:\temp\ants\tools\mybot MyBot" from any other directory? 2011-10-12T09:51:16 Just to check if the syntax is ok 2011-10-12T09:51:32 when i run it from anywhere else from console it's ok 2011-10-12T09:53:48 look 2011-10-12T09:53:49 then I'm confused and have no idea. 2011-10-12T09:53:58 just like me 2011-10-12T09:55:02 g0llum: there is a big gap in your last sentence. do you mind to fill it? 2011-10-12T09:55:17 step outside from the class's directory 2011-10-12T09:55:19 Abrackadabra: 2011-10-12T09:55:30 then use pls relative path to it 2011-10-12T09:55:39 that is mybot 2011-10-12T09:55:45 and try that way 2011-10-12T09:55:53 the path to greedy.bot in his cmdline had some dp~ in it 2011-10-12T09:55:57 you mean java -cp mybot MyBot? 2011-10-12T09:56:01 if you are in the same directory where your classes are, the -cp option doesnt matter 2011-10-12T09:56:05 yes 2011-10-12T09:56:18 it doesnt work too 2011-10-12T09:56:32 i tried both relative and absolute paths 2011-10-12T09:56:51 look, i found something strange 2011-10-12T09:57:01 so it only works when you launch from the same directory as where the class files asre 2011-10-12T09:57:11 arse 2011-10-12T09:57:13 are 2011-10-12T09:57:28 and i tried it too 2011-10-12T09:58:17 what? 2011-10-12T09:58:23 tried what? found what? 2011-10-12T09:58:30 when i try to use java -cp c:\temp\ants\tools\mybot somethingMeaningLess 2011-10-12T09:59:01 it says Error: Could not find or load main class somethingMeaningLess 2011-10-12T09:59:06 that makes sense 2011-10-12T09:59:07 *** olexs1 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-10-12T09:59:11 yes 2011-10-12T09:59:36 but when i use java -cp c:\temp\ants\tools\mybot MyBot 2011-10-12T10:00:10 Error: Could not find or load main class ..MyBot 2011-10-12T10:00:20 .. 2011-10-12T10:00:24 what do these dots mean? 2011-10-12T10:01:33 Oo, i need a magnifying glass 2011-10-12T10:01:43 but when in that directory you say java MyBot it works ok? 2011-10-12T10:02:19 it works only from console 2011-10-12T10:02:34 maaan its still not clear for me 2011-10-12T10:02:37 when i run playgame.py ... "java MyBot" ... it says Error: Could not find or load main class ..MyBot 2011-10-12T10:02:44 lets talk only console 2011-10-12T10:02:48 interactive call 2011-10-12T10:03:07 does it work, from onyl the same directory, or from anywhere else? 2011-10-12T10:03:08 You should use a telephone 2011-10-12T10:03:21 from anywhere he already said that 2011-10-12T10:03:37 well 2011-10-12T10:03:50 playgame.py ... "java ..." never works 2011-10-12T10:04:19 Abrackadabra: mstar asked for the direct call from the console 2011-10-12T10:04:31 he is typing wait for him 2011-10-12T10:04:46 but "java MyBot" works from console 2011-10-12T10:04:46 you sense that? 2011-10-12T10:04:59 ok, step 1 2011-10-12T10:05:16 now step 2, fromoutside of that directory, call it with the right -cp 2011-10-12T10:05:23 works 2011-10-12T10:05:32 now 2011-10-12T10:05:35 *** Palmik has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-10-12T10:05:46 copy the content of the script, and paste it into the cosnole 2011-10-12T10:05:59 make sure everything reads fine, and press enter 2011-10-12T10:06:16 this really should work now 2011-10-12T10:06:36 if not, then playgame messes up the -cp parameter directory path 2011-10-12T10:07:17 c:\temp\ants\tools>playgame.py --engine_seed 42 --player_seed 42 --food none --e nd_wait=0.25 --verbose --log_dir game_logs --turns 30 --map_file submission_test /test.map %1 "python %~dp0sample_bots\python\HunterBot.py" "java MyBot" -e --nol aunch --strict --capture_errors Incorrect number of bots for map. Need 2, got 3 Bot Cmd: %1 Bot Cmd: python %~dp0sample_bots\python\HunterBot.py Bot Cmd: java MyBot 2011-10-12T10:07:36 submission_test /test.map 2011-10-12T10:07:57 this is a mess 2011-10-12T10:08:02 "java MyBot" 2011-10-12T10:08:07 from c:\temp\ants\tools? 2011-10-12T10:08:09 why? 2011-10-12T10:08:16 the class is in c:\temp\ants\tools\mybot 2011-10-12T10:09:16 feel free to comment on this anytime 2011-10-12T10:09:26 i copied it everyfuckingwhere so "c:\temp\ants\tools> java MyBot" is correct 2011-10-12T10:09:50 ok 2011-10-12T10:10:03 then make sure the map parameter is correct too 2011-10-12T10:10:52 btw i hope you noticed this: Incorrect number of bots for map 2011-10-12T10:11:19 playgame.py --engine_seed 42 --player_seed 42 --food none --end_wait=0.25 --verbose --log_dir game_logs --turns 30 --map_file submission_test/test.map %1 "python %~dp0sample_bots\python\HunterBot.py" "python %~dp0sample_bots\python\HunterBot.py" -e --nolaunch --strict --capture_errors 2011-10-12T10:11:26 it works 2011-10-12T10:11:48 what is %1 btw? 2011-10-12T10:12:16 i just dont know 2011-10-12T10:12:34 i have test_bot.cmd from tools 2011-10-12T10:12:40 I am a java person ... 2011-10-12T10:12:47 * delt0r reads up the logs 2011-10-12T10:12:53 yes, for testbot you give a map as a parameter 2011-10-12T10:13:00 so cmd uses % for parameters 2011-10-12T10:13:05 basically you can cut it out 2011-10-12T10:13:25 now make the necessary modification 2011-10-12T10:13:37 change one of the python thing to java MyBot 2011-10-12T10:13:52 if MyBot.class is in the current directory 2011-10-12T10:14:01 Abrackadabra: the game engines have some problems with a direct "java spalt" type command line for different reasons on different OSes 2011-10-12T10:14:15 hm 2011-10-12T10:14:17 *** Palmik has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T10:14:32 Abrackadabra: I would recommend having a launch script for your bot 2011-10-12T10:14:58 so i am in linux and i have a bash script with my java command line in it 2011-10-12T10:15:09 delt0r: on linux it works just fine 2011-10-12T10:15:13 on windows a bat files also works 2011-10-12T10:15:25 mcstar: not reliably. 2011-10-12T10:15:34 for example it does not for my setup 2011-10-12T10:15:51 delt0r: you are set up 2011-10-12T10:15:55 well 2011-10-12T10:16:06 *** Glancy has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T10:16:08 i created a bat file "java MyBot" 2011-10-12T10:16:22 argh, with space in the name? 2011-10-12T10:16:28 you need to ensure class path and cd are correct 2011-10-12T10:16:49 this is what the python seems to have different between versions and oses 2011-10-12T10:17:17 java -cp /home/awesomebot/ MyBot 2011-10-12T10:18:01 I put the script with my classes (I use eclipse) and have java -cp . MyBot 2011-10-12T10:18:25 and then use "/home/bob/workspace/awesomebot/RunMyBot.sh 2011-10-12T10:18:26 well 2011-10-12T10:18:29 for example 2011-10-12T10:18:46 by bat is "java -cp mybot MyBot" 2011-10-12T10:18:46 its the most reliable way... 2011-10-12T10:18:52 but not the only way 2011-10-12T10:19:29 Unfortunatly i have not used windows in soo long... i don't even know how bats behave with respect to pwd and stuff like that 2011-10-12T10:19:48 so a full path for -cp is the first thing to try 2011-10-12T10:20:04 so 2011-10-12T10:20:06 then if that works you now know that its a classpath issue 2011-10-12T10:20:18 i created 1.bat "java -cp c:\temp\ants\tools\mybot MyBot" 2011-10-12T10:20:22 *** eashoka has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T10:20:28 yea 2011-10-12T10:20:34 when i just run bat, it's ok 2011-10-12T10:20:42 can you run that from the dir you call the engine? 2011-10-12T10:20:52 yes 2011-10-12T10:20:54 right 2011-10-12T10:21:01 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-12T10:21:34 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T10:21:39 so i try to run paygame.py ... "c:\temp\ants\tools\1" ... 2011-10-12T10:21:53 you need the bat at the end 2011-10-12T10:22:18 it doesnt matter 2011-10-12T10:22:39 from console i can run 1.bat just by "1" 2011-10-12T10:22:43 so 2011-10-12T10:22:53 i try to run playgame 2011-10-12T10:22:56 and it says 2011-10-12T10:23:16 * delt0r waits in anticipation 2011-10-12T10:23:38 Traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\temp\ants\tools\sandbox.py", line 383, in start cwd=working_directory) File "C:\Python32\lib\subprocess.py", line 741, in __init__ restore_signals, start_new_session) File "C:\Python32\lib\subprocess.py", line 960, in _execute_child startupinfo) WindowsError: [Error 2] The system cannot find the file specified During handling of the above exception, another excep 2011-10-12T10:23:56 wtf? 2011-10-12T10:24:23 i told you use double slashes 2011-10-12T10:24:26 they cant hurt 2011-10-12T10:24:28 Can you put the whole command line into paste bin. that does not look like a java issue 2011-10-12T10:25:49 *** sigh has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-12T10:27:39 i have a cmd "test.cmd" 2011-10-12T10:27:42 inside 2011-10-12T10:27:44 @echo off playgame.py --engine_seed 42 --player_seed 42 --food none --end_wait=0.25 --verbose --log_dir game_logs --turns 30 --map_file submission_test/test.map %1 "python %~dp0sample_bots\python\HunterBot.py" "c:\temp\ants\tools\1" -e --nolaunch --strict --capture_errors pause 2011-10-12T10:27:44 off playgame.py --engine_seed 42 --player_seed 42 --food none --end_wait=0.25 --verbose --log_dir game_logs --turns 30 --map_file submission_test/test.map %1 python %~dp0sample_bots\python\HunterBot.py c: empnts ools -e --nolaunch --strict --capture_errors pause 2011-10-12T10:28:22 and from the console 2011-10-12T10:28:24 c:\temp\ants\tools>test Traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\temp\ants\tools\sandbox.py", line 383, in start cwd=working_directory) File "C:\Python32\lib\subprocess.py", line 741, in __init__ restore_signals, start_new_session) File "C:\Python32\lib\subprocess.py", line 960, in _execute_child startupinfo) WindowsError: [Error 2] The system cannot find the file specified During handling of the above 2011-10-12T10:30:07 *** sir_macelon has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T10:30:10 hi 2011-10-12T10:31:00 sir_macelon : hi 2011-10-12T10:32:10 Abrackadabra: seems you have some problem with running the java bot, do you need help? 2011-10-12T10:33:39 yes i need help 2011-10-12T10:34:14 are passing command line parameters to the command? 2011-10-12T10:34:24 have you noticed this "%1"? 2011-10-12T10:35:55 Abrackadabra: you need to give it an argument --that is what the %1 is for 2011-10-12T10:36:10 while %~dp0 is cwd IIRC 2011-10-12T10:36:28 didnt i mention %1 before? 2011-10-12T10:38:08 *** Glancy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-12T10:38:39 "c:\temp\ants\tools\1" 2011-10-12T10:38:43 c: emp nts ools 2011-10-12T10:39:35 mcstar: yes you did 2011-10-12T10:40:02 you see that in the error message the \ is escaped? 2011-10-12T10:40:32 now the one question remains: why isnt it escaped in the pyhton bot's path 2011-10-12T10:40:53 and for gawd's sake answer Abrackadabra if you use double slashes aka \\ does it work? 2011-10-12T10:41:42 wait a second please 2011-10-12T10:42:44 oh yea... \ is a special character... 2011-10-12T10:46:16 and probably the solution is: you shouldnt quote that pat in the first place 2011-10-12T10:46:24 quote only if t has spaces 2011-10-12T10:46:34 path* 2011-10-12T10:46:36 it* 2011-10-12T10:46:58 you could use slashes ("/") instead of backslashes in the path ("\"), that's how I do it 2011-10-12T10:51:47 *** boegel has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-12T10:52:35 so i've returned 2011-10-12T10:52:42 *** aerique has quit IRC (Quit: ...) 2011-10-12T10:53:06 a jedi, i see 2011-10-12T10:54:02 wel 2011-10-12T10:54:17 i replaced "c:\..." with "c:/" 2011-10-12T10:54:21 same error 2011-10-12T10:54:40 Abrackadabra: what about %1? 2011-10-12T10:55:07 if i remove it nothing changes 2011-10-12T10:55:15 could you paste your current command? 2011-10-12T10:55:18 keep it removed 2011-10-12T10:55:28 tried my latest suggestions? 2011-10-12T10:55:58 are you sure you are pointing your classpath to the MyBot.class file? 2011-10-12T10:56:27 you would get a class path error then 2011-10-12T10:56:36 not the funny error above 2011-10-12T10:56:47 sir_macelon: you joined too late 2011-10-12T10:57:01 his error was a class not found before 2011-10-12T10:57:10 what kind of error he is getting? 2011-10-12T10:57:16 lets solve this one 2011-10-12T10:57:19 he CAN run the bot 2011-10-12T10:57:26 he cant run it scripted 2011-10-12T10:57:31 yes 2011-10-12T10:57:38 Abrackadabra: so? 2011-10-12T10:57:50 Abrackadabra: could you paste the whole command? 2011-10-12T10:57:51 unquoting or doulbe backslashing? 2011-10-12T10:58:06 i added quotes everywhere 2011-10-12T10:58:11 un 2011-10-12T10:58:15 all the same 2011-10-12T10:58:16 unquote 2011-10-12T10:58:17 I use this: 2011-10-12T10:58:22 playgame.py --engine_seed 42 --player_seed 42 --food none --verbose --log_dir game_logs --log_replay --log_error --turns 30 --map_file submission_test/test.map "java -cp ../../Ants/bin MyBot" "python submission_test/TestBot.py" -e --nolaunch --strict --capture_errors 2011-10-12T10:58:25 and it works perfectly for me 2011-10-12T10:58:28 c:\temp\ants\tools\1.bat 2011-10-12T10:58:29 ? 2011-10-12T10:59:00 when you do this you get the same error? python bails out with file cannot be found or wtf? 2011-10-12T10:59:18 WindowsError: 2011-10-12T10:59:20 sir_macelon: you probably don't need --capture_errors 2011-10-12T10:59:24 use it and change the classpath to yours 2011-10-12T10:59:45 McLeopold: it's some leftover I guess 2011-10-12T11:00:22 sir_macelon: it puts stderr in the replay file, when running locally, using either -e or -E is probably better 2011-10-12T11:01:02 --food none is probably not what you want either, it prevents food spawning 2011-10-12T11:01:47 Abrackadabra: 2011-10-12T11:02:34 *** olexs1 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T11:02:52 i tried playgame.py --engine_seed 42 --player_seed 42 --food none --verbose --log_dir game_logs --log_replay --log_error --turns 30 --map_file submission_test/test.map "java -cp ../../Ants/bin MyBot" "python submission_test/TestBot.py" -e --nolaunch --strict --capture_errors 2011-10-12T11:03:09 playgame.py --engine_seed 42 --player_seed 42 --food none --verbose --log_dir game_logs --log_replay --log_error --turns 30 --map_file submission_test/test.map "java MyBot" "python submission_test/TestBot.py" -e --nolaunch --strict --capture_errors 2011-10-12T11:03:33 it crashes 2011-10-12T11:03:56 this is sad 2011-10-12T11:04:10 *** sir_macelon has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-12T11:04:16 we were on the right track with delt0r and now everything is screwed upű 2011-10-12T11:05:36 *** onensora has quit IRC () 2011-10-12T11:06:39 i dont know what to do 2011-10-12T11:07:23 what can be wrong with just "java MyBot"?.. 2011-10-12T11:07:40 Abrackadabra: c:\temp\ants\tools\1.bat do you still have this file? 2011-10-12T11:07:46 yes 2011-10-12T11:07:55 if you run it does your java bot runs? 2011-10-12T11:08:12 -s* 2011-10-12T11:08:50 c:\temp\ants\tools>1 2011-10-12T11:08:57 c:\temp\ants\tools>java -cp "c:/temp/ants/tools/mybot" MyBot 2011-10-12T11:09:01 Terminate batch job (Y/N)? y 2011-10-12T11:09:04 c:\temp\ants\tools> 2011-10-12T11:09:10 so yes 2011-10-12T11:09:26 Abrackadabra: because "java MyBot" is context sensitive ... what directory are you in etc 2011-10-12T11:09:34 delt0r: give me a minute 2011-10-12T11:09:55 Abrackadabra: now copy the last command you pasted here to the cmd.exe 2011-10-12T11:10:18 and exchange "python somethin" to c:\temp\ants\tools\1.bat 2011-10-12T11:10:27 character from character 2011-10-12T11:10:49 ok, "java MyBot" 2011-10-12T11:10:53 change this to that 2011-10-12T11:10:58 not the "python " part 2011-10-12T11:12:07 c:\temp\ants\tools>playgame.py --engine_seed 42 --player_seed 42 --food none --v erbose --log_dir game_logs --log_replay --log_error --turns 30 --map_file submis sion_test/test.map "c:\temp\ants\tools\1" "python sample_bots\python\HunterBot.p y" -e --nolaunch --strict --capture_errors Traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\temp\ants\tools\sandbox.py", line 383, in start cwd=working_directory) File "C:\Python32\l 2011-10-12T11:12:41 its wrong to run bat with 1.bat 2011-10-12T11:12:50 it should be done with 1 2011-10-12T11:13:01 did i not say character by character? 2011-10-12T11:13:10 c:\temp\ants\tools\1.bat 2011-10-12T11:13:16 not "c:\temp\ants\tools\1" 2011-10-12T11:13:30 what is this space??? t.p y" 2011-10-12T11:13:55 i cannot run 1.bat with "1.bat" 2011-10-12T11:14:03 i dont care 2011-10-12T11:14:23 just put it in there as i told you 2011-10-12T11:14:36 after that, if it doesnt work, you can lose the .bat 2011-10-12T11:14:39 but not before 2011-10-12T11:14:52 fix that space 2011-10-12T11:14:53 c:\temp\ants\tools>playgame.py --engine_seed 42 --player_seed 42 --food none --v erbose --log_dir game_logs --log_replay --log_error --turns 30 --map_file submis sion_test/test.map "c:\temp\ants\tools\1.bat" "python sample_bots\python\HunterB ot.py" -e --nolaunch --strict --capture_errors Traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\temp\ants\tools\sandbox.py", line 383, in start cwd=working_directory) File "C:\Python 2011-10-12T11:15:08 i dont get this 2011-10-12T11:15:17 delt0r: help me out wtf?? 2011-10-12T11:15:18 there is no space, that's just copying text from console issues 2011-10-12T11:15:35 and what about the "" ? 2011-10-12T11:15:46 i said dont quote it, why is it quoted? 2011-10-12T11:15:52 "c:\temp\ants\tools\1.bat" 2011-10-12T11:16:42 c:\temp\ants\tools>playgame.py --engine_seed 42 --player_seed 42 --food none --v erbose --log_dir game_logs --log_replay --log_error --turns 30 --map_file submis sion_test/test.map c:\temp\ants\tools\1.bat "python sample_bots\python\HunterBot .py" -e --nolaunch --strict --capture_errors Traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\temp\ants\tools\sandbox.py", line 383, in start cwd=working_directory) File "C:\Python32 2011-10-12T11:17:01 mcstar: sorry talking on other channels 2011-10-12T11:17:22 *** Accoun has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-12T11:17:31 Abrackadabra: ok, whats the rest of the error message? 2011-10-12T11:17:40 still WindowsError something? 2011-10-12T11:17:49 Abrackadabra: that does not look like a full error message 2011-10-12T11:18:33 delt0r: on windows, do you have an "execute flag"? 2011-10-12T11:19:48 c:\temp\ants\tools>playgame.py --engine_seed 42 --player_seed 42 --food none --v erbose --log_dir game_logs --log_replay --log_error --turns 30 --map_file submis sion_test/test.map c:\temp\ants\tools\1.bat "python sample_bots\python\HunterBot .py" -e --nolaunch --strict --capture_errors 2011-10-12T11:19:50 Abrackadabra: whatever the solution will be, i highly recommend you to download cygwin, and use its sensible terminal emulator with a rational shell, bash 2011-10-12T11:19:58 Traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\temp\ants\tools\sandbox.py", line 383, in start cwd=working_directory) File "C:\Python32\lib\subprocess.py", line 741, in __init__ restore_signals, start_new_session) File "C:\Python32\lib\subprocess.py", line 960, in _execute_child startupinfo) WindowsError: [Error 2] The system cannot find the file specified 2011-10-12T11:20:10 During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\temp\ants\tools\engine.py", line 92, in run_game sandbox.start(bot_cmd) File "C:\temp\ants\tools\sandbox.py", line 385, in start raise SandboxError('Failed to start {0}'.format(shell_command)) sandbox.SandboxError: Failed to start ['c:/temp/ants/tools/1.bat'] 2011-10-12T11:20:40 thats actually good 2011-10-12T11:20:43 there we go 2011-10-12T11:20:46 at least the path is correct 2011-10-12T11:21:04 now you can try it without .bat 2011-10-12T11:21:09 do you get a bot.error file in the directory? 2011-10-12T11:21:20 or something like that Abrackadabra 2011-10-12T11:21:34 if so what is the message 2011-10-12T11:21:37 no 2011-10-12T11:21:41 bugger 2011-10-12T11:21:43 delt0r: its only created if the bot is run 2011-10-12T11:21:57 Oh i remeber that now... 2011-10-12T11:22:18 Abrackadabra: exactly the same without .bat? 2011-10-12T11:22:19 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T11:22:50 delt0r: actually i think windows finds the script, but its not able to execute it 2011-10-12T11:23:07 thats why i asked if theres an excutable flag on files in windows 2011-10-12T11:23:25 or maybe it doesnt conform to a batch script 2011-10-12T11:24:22 Abrackadabra: do you think you are ready to start using bash? 2011-10-12T11:24:44 it seems there are no cmd.exe experts among us, so i recommend using http://cygwin.com/install.html 2011-10-12T11:24:53 i'll try 2011-10-12T11:25:23 i dont think ive used it in 5 years, but it could only improve 2011-10-12T11:25:30 if you need help with it ask 2011-10-12T11:25:35 installing 2011-10-12T11:26:39 you can get the script to write error msg 2011-10-12T11:29:31 Abrackadabra: you can press next when the package selection appears 2011-10-12T11:31:21 *** Dlayne has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T11:31:59 yea--i can't use windows without cygwin 2011-10-12T11:32:10 i mean there is not even a grep 2011-10-12T11:32:12 wtf... 2011-10-12T11:32:32 *** Dlayne is now known as InsaneMalkavian 2011-10-12T11:33:51 *** george_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-12T11:34:41 *** eashoka has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-12T11:42:29 *** ibdknox has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T11:45:50 *** okayzed is now known as okay 2011-10-12T11:47:57 Abra@AbraNote /cygdrive/c/temp/ants/tools $ playgame.py --engine_seed 42 --player_seed 42 --food none --verbose --log_dir game_logs --log_replay --log_error --turns 30 --map_file submission_test/test. map "python sample_bots\python\HunterBot.py" "java MyBot" -e --nolaunch --stric t --capture_errors bash: playgame.py: command not found 2011-10-12T11:48:44 $ python playgame.py --engine_seed 42 --player_seed 42 --food none --verbose -- log_dir game_logs --log_replay --log_error --turns 30 --map_file submission_tes t/test.map "python sample_bots\python\HunterBot.py" "java MyBot" -e --nolaunch --strict --capture_errors running for 30 turns Error: Could not find or load main class ..MyBot turn 0 bot 1 crashed ant_count c_turns climb? cutoff food r_turn ranking 2011-10-12T11:48:51 same problem 2011-10-12T11:48:55 Could not find or load main class ..MyBot 2011-10-12T11:49:57 when playgame.py is in the current directory and not in $PATH you have to execute it like this: 2011-10-12T11:50:02 ./playgame.py 2011-10-12T11:50:39 $ ./playgame.py --engine_seed 42 --player_seed 42 --food none --verbose --log_d ir game_logs --log_replay --log_error --turns 30 --map_file submission_test/tes t.map "python sample_bots\python\HunterBot.py" "java MyBot" -e --nolaunch --str ict --capture_errors running for 30 turns Error: Could not find or load main class ..MyBot 2011-10-12T11:50:50 turn 0 bot 1 crashed ant_count c_turns climb? cutoff food r_turn ranking_bots s_ali ve s_hills score w_turn winning turn 0 stats: [3,1,0] 0 [1,0] - 0 0 None [1,0 ] [1,1] [3,3] 0 None score 5 3 status survived crashed playerturns 0 0 2011-10-12T11:50:50 sure,its the same as python playgame.py 2011-10-12T11:51:32 "java -cp ./ MyBot" 2011-10-12T11:51:34 try this 2011-10-12T11:51:57 same 2011-10-12T11:52:19 i have no idead whatsoever why is ..MyBot in the error message 2011-10-12T11:52:23 -d 2011-10-12T11:55:02 *** fe has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T11:55:03 whappadautthe tcp server? 2011-10-12T11:56:40 sure 2011-10-12T11:56:59 Abrackadabra: this is stupid but i will ask, how old is your java installation? 2011-10-12T11:57:23 yeah, it sounds stupid when i read it back 2011-10-12T11:57:38 new 2011-10-12T11:57:46 month, may be 2011-10-12T11:58:04 ..MyBot is *not* ../Mybot and you should not even have that there... you need the class path.. MyBot then only works with the correct class path... 2011-10-12T11:58:43 delt0r: its ok, wedont tell it to search for ..MyBot 2011-10-12T11:58:50 k 2011-10-12T11:58:54 it puts the ..'s there in the error message 2011-10-12T11:59:03 right 2011-10-12T11:59:16 *** dvladim has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T11:59:27 but this is a java thing now, i cant help any more 2011-10-12T11:59:42 you still need a -cp argument 2011-10-12T11:59:55 delt0r: this should work doesnt it? "java -cp ./ MyBot" 2011-10-12T12:00:00 he tried this 2011-10-12T12:00:14 this is not a java thing 2011-10-12T12:00:21 only if the current directory is the correct class path 2011-10-12T12:00:30 yes, the MyBot.class is in there 2011-10-12T12:00:38 again i would try with absolute path names 2011-10-12T12:00:39 as far as im told 2011-10-12T12:00:40 playgame.py executes "java MyBot" in a very wrong way 2011-10-12T12:01:13 since you may not be getting the proper pwd within the python enjoyment 2011-10-12T12:01:17 the 2 .'s cannot appear there because of playgame.py 2011-10-12T12:01:30 and anyway, youre the first one who complains about this 2011-10-12T12:01:43 there are many people who use java on windows already 2011-10-12T12:01:43 "java MyBot" is always wrong 2011-10-12T12:02:16 why? 2011-10-12T12:02:19 it is working for me 2011-10-12T12:02:35 well it gets the same result as "java -cp ./ MyBot" 2011-10-12T12:02:38 because you should always state the class path 2011-10-12T12:02:49 even if ./ is implied 2011-10-12T12:03:16 remeber this is not the command line --some other program is launching the program 2011-10-12T12:03:52 also there is almost never a time with a bunch of other jars are needed so you always have one anyway 2011-10-12T12:04:03 *** ibdknox has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-12T12:04:21 but "java -cp $CLASSPATH MyBot 2011-10-12T12:04:28 is not so difficult to try 2011-10-12T12:04:37 *** ibdknox has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T12:04:39 where classpath is absolute 2011-10-12T12:04:53 again i needed to have a script 2011-10-12T12:05:01 delt0r: i think too that its better to use full path, cause you dont know what is $PWD when the .subprocess calls the bot 2011-10-12T12:05:18 java -cp splat MyBot worked from the command line but never from playgame 2011-10-12T12:05:29 indeed 2011-10-12T12:05:35 same 2011-10-12T12:06:00 with absolute path 2011-10-12T12:06:29 that is why i use a script to run it. 2011-10-12T12:06:29 let me see if i have a winxp virtual image somewhere 2011-10-12T12:06:46 god i won't touch windows if i can avoid it 2011-10-12T12:06:53 not any of them 2011-10-12T12:07:40 *** fe has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-12T12:08:29 no luck 2011-10-12T12:08:36 i purged them all 2011-10-12T12:08:43 * delt0r gets some coffee 2011-10-12T12:08:59 *** ibdknox has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-10-12T12:09:02 18:08 coffee now? 2011-10-12T12:09:09 coffee all day 2011-10-12T12:09:19 I drink about 4-8 cups a day 2011-10-12T12:09:19 i couldn sleep if i had it now 2011-10-12T12:09:34 of espresso 2011-10-12T12:09:37 2 for me, but i run out of it last week 2011-10-12T12:09:42 doesn't affect my sleeping patterns 2011-10-12T12:09:47 delt0r: i see, your blood smells coffee too 2011-10-12T12:09:54 lol 2011-10-12T12:10:02 janzert: pong (7 hours later) 2011-10-12T12:10:57 delt0r: my script name mangling needs some work 2011-10-12T12:11:28 excuse me 2011-10-12T12:11:35 np 2011-10-12T12:11:41 what should i do? 2011-10-12T12:11:55 talk to the knowledgeable Oz, aka McLeopold 2011-10-12T12:12:46 McLeopold: are you on windows btw? 2011-10-12T12:14:44 antimatroid1: ping 2011-10-12T12:15:27 I upgraded my Gentoo Linux and as usually it broke to pieces. I cannot resolve host names now :p 2011-10-12T12:15:57 The fact that I'm connected to IRC is an exception. 2011-10-12T12:16:14 how can you break host resolution? 2011-10-12T12:16:20 can someone give me the ip of google ? ^^ 2011-10-12T12:16:27 dunno 2011-10-12T12:16:31 74.125.39.147 2011-10-12T12:16:36 thx 2011-10-12T12:16:59 whats in your /etc/resolv.conf? 2011-10-12T12:17:14 are you using dsl? 2011-10-12T12:17:19 mcstar: I can be 2011-10-12T12:17:40 McLeopold: did you follow Abrackadabra's problem? windows realted 2011-10-12T12:17:44 kinda 2011-10-12T12:17:48 help him 2011-10-12T12:17:51 if you can 2011-10-12T12:17:52 bad command line? 2011-10-12T12:18:07 he cannot run his java bot from script 2011-10-12T12:18:25 Abrackadabra: so, can you run the sample bots? 2011-10-12T12:18:26 resolv.conf is empty and I'm using a DSL router 2011-10-12T12:18:35 everything seems alright, went through al ot of things, but when run from the script that damn thing doesnt find his class 2011-10-12T12:18:48 i can 2011-10-12T12:18:49 mleise: you know thats the problem, 2011-10-12T12:18:57 pppoe-setup 2011-10-12T12:19:09 give me your command line 2011-10-12T12:19:42 Abrackadabra: did you download the tools zip? where is your bot in relationship to that? 2011-10-12T12:19:56 mleise: do you want my nameserver? 2011-10-12T12:20:39 uh, the router should give me a nameserver, no?# 2011-10-12T12:20:45 well, no 2011-10-12T12:20:45 *** Blkt has quit IRC (Quit: going home) 2011-10-12T12:20:49 not the router 2011-10-12T12:20:52 aichallenge: Scott Hamilton * r4d3c2c8 / (website/mdx_github.py website/mdx_latex.py): add github preprocessor for markdown - http://git.io/KxGfcg 2011-10-12T12:21:04 the pppoe framework talks to the router, pppoe-discovery 2011-10-12T12:21:21 McLeopold: the story again 2011-10-12T12:21:23 and basically i dont know how, pppoe sets your resolve.conf 2011-10-12T12:21:29 i downloaded tools 2011-10-12T12:21:45 without having the nameserver(s) there you can only use ip's 2011-10-12T12:21:57 try this: nameserver 213.46.246.54 2011-10-12T12:22:05 put this into /etc/resolv.conf 2011-10-12T12:22:06 i took java sample bot from starter package, comiled 2011-10-12T12:22:17 mcstar: I think the router hides away all pppoe settings from my client 2011-10-12T12:22:26 really? 2011-10-12T12:22:28 and try to run it with playgame.py 2011-10-12T12:22:36 does it dial by itself? 2011-10-12T12:22:38 Abrackadabra: I need your full command line 2011-10-12T12:22:45 I just log into the wlan and it dials by itself yes 2011-10-12T12:22:57 ah ok, then you dont need those nameservers 2011-10-12T12:22:58 playgame.py --engine_seed 42 --player_seed 42 --food none --verbose --log_dir game_logs --log_replay --log_error --turns 30 --map_file submission_test/test.map "java MyBot" "python submission_test/TestBot.py" -e --nolaunch --strict --capture_errors 2011-10-12T12:23:03 anyway, you could try now 2011-10-12T12:23:12 until you solve your problem, i think it should work 2011-10-12T12:23:39 Abrackadabra: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: MyBot ? 2011-10-12T12:24:02 Error: Could not find or load main class ..MyBot 2011-10-12T12:24:40 Abrackadabra: I got this, which is slightly different "Could not find the main class: MyBot. Program will exit." 2011-10-12T12:25:55 it means?.. 2011-10-12T12:26:19 McLeopold: ..Mybot but why? 2011-10-12T12:26:26 we may not have the same setup. So, you have all of your java files in the same directory as playgame.py? 2011-10-12T12:26:39 yes 2011-10-12T12:28:28 Abrackadabra: did you compile with "javac MyBot.java" and have a MyBot.class? 2011-10-12T12:29:36 i compiled with javac *.java and have a .class 2011-10-12T12:30:06 Abrackadabra: you need the -cp part... really... 2011-10-12T12:30:22 * mleise resets his router 2011-10-12T12:30:30 Abrackadabra: can you zip up your directory and email it to me? 2011-10-12T12:30:44 ok 2011-10-12T12:30:53 my nick at gmail 2011-10-12T12:31:29 delt0r: he does, but I can get it to work without 2011-10-12T12:31:51 *** mleise has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2011-10-12T12:32:02 Abrackadabra: can you run "java -version" and give me the result? 2011-10-12T12:32:26 c:\temp\ants\tools>java -version java version "1.7.0" Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0-b147) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 21.0-b17, mixed mode, sharing) 2011-10-12T12:32:29 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T12:33:12 Abrackadabra: can you run "ver" as well? 2011-10-12T12:33:36 i sent email 2011-10-12T12:33:42 got it 2011-10-12T12:34:44 same ver as mine 2011-10-12T12:35:35 btw if anyone is wondering since when i care about java, well, since i care about clojure 2011-10-12T12:36:25 and i would like to be able to compile clojure programs, but it seems it must follow some java convention of using namespaces and directories 2011-10-12T12:37:20 restarting the router helped 2011-10-12T12:38:22 Abrackadabra: looks like you are running "javac *.java" in the mybot dir and copying the files down? 2011-10-12T12:39:24 hm... yes 2011-10-12T12:41:31 Abrackadabra: you should be able to test by just running "java MyBot.class", then you can type "ready" and look for a "go" 2011-10-12T12:42:05 it workd 2011-10-12T12:42:08 works 2011-10-12T12:42:23 but not java MyBot.class, java MyBot 2011-10-12T12:42:24 un, I meant "java MyBot" 2011-10-12T12:42:26 yeah, ok 2011-10-12T12:43:22 lol 2011-10-12T12:43:38 McLeopold: when i copied over the compiled .class file, it stopped working 2011-10-12T12:44:29 Error: Could not find or load main class HunterBot 2011-10-12T12:45:18 i see 2011-10-12T12:45:35 for thehunterbot to work properly, there are other files that must be copied over 2011-10-12T12:46:11 no not working still, when everything is copied 2011-10-12T12:46:29 now java seems more and more esoteric to me 2011-10-12T12:47:09 Abrackadabra: try the make.cmd to make a jar file 2011-10-12T12:47:27 then use "java -jar mybot/MyBot.jar" for your playgame command 2011-10-12T12:48:53 McLeopold: the .class files have absolute path information in them? 2011-10-12T12:49:00 it works!!! 2011-10-12T12:49:03 sweet 2011-10-12T12:49:31 jars are nice, because you don't have to be an expert in classpaths, the downside is you never learn what is really happening 2011-10-12T12:49:47 mein Gott 2011-10-12T12:49:49 at las 2011-10-12T12:49:52 last 2011-10-12T12:49:59 thank you guys 2011-10-12T12:50:23 yes, it was a lesson 2011-10-12T12:52:22 Abrackadabra: the upside is that now you have cygwin 2011-10-12T12:52:45 playgame modifies "java MyBot" to "java .\MyBot" which is causing the issues 2011-10-12T12:53:32 what does it do when the first argument is -cp? 2011-10-12T12:54:01 java -cp .\MyBot 2011-10-12T12:54:10 or did you want more after the -cp? 2011-10-12T12:54:25 McLeopold: My ping earlier is I am thinking about moving the ants graphic to the left side of the header, wondering what you think of the look 2011-10-12T12:54:33 yes, like java -cp rel/path/to/class MyClass 2011-10-12T12:54:46 Do you have firebug or something similiar that will let you dynamically alter CSS? 2011-10-12T12:54:56 janzert: yes, I use crome 2011-10-12T12:55:14 mcstar "java -cp . .\MyBot" 2011-10-12T12:55:54 McLeopold: excuse my nubness, but isnt that wrong? MyBot is the class name, not a path to something 2011-10-12T12:56:04 janzert: I don't know, I like the ants crawling over the word ants, but the highlight still looks a bit amature. Maybe let aarossig fix it up? 2011-10-12T12:56:21 ok, just disable the rules "background-image" in "#header .right" and "background" in "#header .left, #footer" section to take a look at it 2011-10-12T12:56:51 yeah, I do kind of like it under the word. at the same time moving it seems more balanced 2011-10-12T12:57:23 McLeopold: take a look at this: http://i.imgur.com/QHzZ5.png 2011-10-12T12:57:33 i cant take the critique 2011-10-12T12:57:38 can* 2011-10-12T12:59:20 McLeopold: That is why i need to use a launch script, because MyBot is getting mangled to ./MyBot ? 2011-10-12T12:59:25 not that it matters. 2011-10-12T12:59:37 I prefer to use a launch script anyways 2011-10-12T12:59:39 delt0r: it does, and I do want to fix it 2011-10-12T13:00:42 janzert: can't get it to show, just change the site 2011-10-12T13:00:57 mcstar: The colored Google pulls the eye too much, but other than that I don't mind it 2011-10-12T13:01:01 McLeopold: ok 2011-10-12T13:01:50 maybe wo the red O 2011-10-12T13:02:01 its just a mockup, if you liek something take it 2011-10-12T13:02:36 i learned today that significant members of your group consider the choosing of the colors ugly, which i can accept 2011-10-12T13:03:13 McLeopold: take a look now 2011-10-12T13:03:35 if we went this way the ants color should probably be dialed back down too 2011-10-12T13:04:36 janzert: not a fan 2011-10-12T13:05:03 ok 2011-10-12T13:05:13 I wasn't sure one way or the other 2011-10-12T13:06:02 #header .left h1 { margin-right: 30px; } 2011-10-12T13:07:44 *** tmtyioh has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T13:08:15 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2011-10-12T13:08:43 meh, it doesn't align with anything there 2011-10-12T13:09:09 15px maybe? 2011-10-12T13:09:20 it just gives equal space to "AI Challenge" and "Ants" on either side of the triangle 2011-10-12T13:09:21 *** tmtyioh has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-12T13:09:41 15 is fine too 2011-10-12T13:09:47 *** InsaneMalkavian has left #aichallenge 2011-10-12T13:11:14 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T13:13:05 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T13:13:05 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-10-12T13:13:10 mcstar: another part of the confusion was that Abrackadabra had a mybot dir, which playgame was finding, in addition to MyBot.class 2011-10-12T13:13:53 McLeopold: how about something like that? 2011-10-12T13:14:14 basically 20px and aligning both lines 2011-10-12T13:14:40 the part I don't like is how the g and G are getting squished together with that alignment :( 2011-10-12T13:15:35 the other alignment the tail of the g fit nicely between the G and l 2011-10-12T13:15:42 but now half the header is empty :( 2011-10-12T13:15:59 mcstar: it has been 2011-10-12T13:16:06 talk to aarossig about this, he has some input, regarding the height of the header 2011-10-12T13:16:08 mcstar: we can fill that up with useful info, if we need 2011-10-12T13:16:12 that was my motivation for moving the ant graphic 2011-10-12T13:16:24 he opened an issue about it in the morning 2011-10-12T13:16:29 ok 2011-10-12T13:16:29 janzert: we could extend the header to maybe 125 or 130, to give room for "Google" 2011-10-12T13:20:00 janzert: also, the spacing that you are doing really ought to be done with em 2011-10-12T13:20:03 not px 2011-10-12T13:20:41 except we're already doing px defined layout for sizing anyway 2011-10-12T13:21:03 i.e. font size, header height, column widths 2011-10-12T13:21:15 otherwise I'd agree 2011-10-12T13:21:18 problem is that images don't go well with em sizes 2011-10-12T13:21:23 but.. hmm 2011-10-12T13:21:27 we don't really have many images 2011-10-12T13:21:39 we could do everything em then 2011-10-12T13:22:00 whoa, github site redesign... 2011-10-12T13:22:27 McLeopold: happened a while ago 2011-10-12T13:22:29 like 2 weeks 2011-10-12T13:22:47 no, I just got a different menu look from this morning 2011-10-12T13:22:55 hmm 2011-10-12T13:22:59 that is new, nvm 2011-10-12T13:23:01 the issues number is smaller and in serif font, with a brown bar 2011-10-12T13:23:11 yeah, kinda hard to read 2011-10-12T13:24:51 header is expanded to 110 or 50% of the right column width 2011-10-12T13:25:15 aichallenge: McLeopold * rea46383 / setup/server_setup.py : remove github pull of markdown-latex - http://git.io/tPwrMA 2011-10-12T13:25:46 janzert: expand the right one as well, "sponsored" and "fall" don't line up 2011-10-12T13:26:13 *** dvladim has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2011-10-12T13:26:17 I did, just forgot the extra padding on the h3 2011-10-12T13:26:33 or rather the rule was too specific 2011-10-12T13:26:56 okay, now "Google" is squished again :) 2011-10-12T13:27:10 working on it :P 2011-10-12T13:27:41 oh web development --So much fun 2011-10-12T13:27:57 we are building a bike shed, care to help? :P 2011-10-12T13:28:06 have you checked in the 37 different browsers yet ;) 2011-10-12T13:28:09 there 2011-10-12T13:29:38 #header .right { background-position: top right; } 2011-10-12T13:29:56 or center right 2011-10-12T13:29:58 I wonder how it will look like in IE8 when it's done 2011-10-12T13:30:17 i just waited until someone with ie8 fixed it 2011-10-12T13:30:27 it's nice when you have teams in webdev 2011-10-12T13:30:30 eewww 2011-10-12T13:30:39 left and right is the first parameter 2011-10-12T13:30:39 it looks *really* bad 2011-10-12T13:30:51 vertical the second 2011-10-12T13:31:23 but I don't like right center much either 2011-10-12T13:32:24 http://imgur.com/JXLas 2011-10-12T13:32:45 hehe 2011-10-12T13:33:07 seems like the css is not loading or something 2011-10-12T13:33:11 I assume that's after you fiddled with the css? 2011-10-12T13:33:19 not even the content a are styled 2011-10-12T13:33:28 looks like some broken rules 2011-10-12T13:33:49 that was IE9 in compatibility mode 2011-10-12T13:34:23 yeah, it shouldn't be in compatibility mode 2011-10-12T13:34:47 maybe get a css/html standards test 2011-10-12T13:35:37 amstan: get aarossig in here, we need someone to make the word "Ants" and the ants look awesome 2011-10-12T13:35:51 he's at work, till 5 2011-10-12T13:36:47 going to commit the header size increase and alignment changes 2011-10-12T13:37:13 if the height is bigger, the logo won't overlap, so you can remove the white shadow 2011-10-12T13:39:14 aichallenge: janzert * rfe8c24e / website/css/layout.css : Make header height 50% of sidebar width, tweak text alignment - http://git.io/Ax1zDQ 2011-10-12T13:39:14 aichallenge: janzert * r253264f / (3 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'epsilon' of github.com:aichallenge/aichallenge into epsilon - http://git.io/t3mocg 2011-10-12T13:39:49 janzert: IE8 http://imgur.com/FvZmc :( 2011-10-12T13:40:02 it still overlaps a bit but not near as much 2011-10-12T13:40:26 well I don't think that is css :P 2011-10-12T13:40:45 *** Abrackadabra has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-12T13:40:55 at least I hope css can't do that 2011-10-12T13:41:12 it's gotta be the java applet 2011-10-12T13:41:21 * janzert nods 2011-10-12T13:47:05 aichallenge: janzert * r1103de2 / website/css/layout.css : Make right header have same style glow as left - http://git.io/R16v0w 2011-10-12T13:52:56 aichallenge: McLeopold * rf223496 / website/css/pygments_style.css : fix visualizer widget background - http://git.io/4TugLg 2011-10-12T13:58:19 hmm, surge in visitors to ai-contest.com yesterday 2011-10-12T13:58:29 over double what it's been recently 2011-10-12T13:58:41 janzert: ai-class.com started 2011-10-12T13:59:00 those names work well together 2011-10-12T13:59:04 janzert: we should look into getting some visitors from there 2011-10-12T13:59:09 yeah, looks like most are coming from http://www.reddit.com/r/aiclass 2011-10-12T13:59:49 http://www.reddit.com/r/Boardgame_AI_101/comments/da8tg/google_ai_challenge/ 2011-10-12T14:00:15 1 year ago 2011-10-12T14:00:19 that still has 31 visits from that 2011-10-12T14:00:20 yeah 2011-10-12T14:00:31 I'm surprised it has that much residual traffic 2011-10-12T14:00:46 31 visits in the past month that is 2011-10-12T14:02:28 so.. applying proper ai-class terminology on ants 2011-10-12T14:02:40 we changed to contest from fully observable to partially observable 2011-10-12T14:06:50 *** onensora has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T14:14:10 McLeopold: I'm thinking that the Getting Started section of the menu should probably come before the Ants section 2011-10-12T14:15:13 *** Naktibalda has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T14:19:22 janzert: yes, then move the starter packages to the top of that section 2011-10-12T14:20:14 I was thinking that but I'm not sure either way, since the five minute quickstart is probably a better place for them to go and links to the starter packages 2011-10-12T14:20:19 amstan: partially observable, deterministic, discrete, adversarial 2011-10-12T14:20:45 McLeopold: you taking that too? 2011-10-12T14:20:46 the link should be in both 2011-10-12T14:21:07 amstan: yes, just so I can hang Peters signature on my wall :) 2011-10-12T14:21:22 but it feels really low level 2011-10-12T14:21:23 yes, it should be in both the menu and the guide but I'm not sure it should come before the guide in the menu ;) 2011-10-12T14:22:20 janzert: http://ietherpad.com/yXdEgg5Lko 2011-10-12T14:23:46 hmm, the horizontal rules are just placeholders marking updated content right? 2011-10-12T14:24:16 it was more to highlight the starterpacks and the quickstart guide 2011-10-12T14:24:33 just a little visual separation to pull them out 2011-10-12T14:24:39 hmm, I really don't like the look of them 2011-10-12T14:24:51 I tried to mute them as much as possible 2011-10-12T14:25:00 I'm really just interested in the extra space 2011-10-12T14:25:15 maybe just emphasize the text a bit? 2011-10-12T14:25:23 sure, let's try that 2011-10-12T14:25:27 slightly different color or weight, etc. 2011-10-12T14:25:47 make the other text #ddd or something, then white will stand out 2011-10-12T14:27:07 although at the same time, maybe they shouldn't be emphasized in the menu at all but made prominent in the front page content? 2011-10-12T14:27:18 it's hilarious hearing the prof try to pronounce the romanian city names 2011-10-12T14:27:34 yeah 2011-10-12T14:27:47 McLeopold: where are you at? 2011-10-12T14:27:59 should "Create Your Account" be there since Sign Up is? 2011-10-12T14:28:02 will all this knowledge about ai, I'm surprised they write with pens and then overlay checkboxes and stuff on it 2011-10-12T14:28:18 amstan: as far as I can get 2011-10-12T14:28:40 also Sign Out, My Profile and Upload Code are what should be there when logged in, Sign Up and Sign In when not 2011-10-12T14:28:49 is that emboss effect css3? 2011-10-12T14:28:54 right, but ietherpad isn't dynamic :) 2011-10-12T14:29:03 but otherwise I think that order looks good 2011-10-12T14:29:16 :) 2011-10-12T14:29:27 mleise: which effect? 2011-10-12T14:29:38 may I add that I find the horizontal bars in the navigation bar confusing? 2011-10-12T14:29:39 the one that used to be around "Ants"? 2011-10-12T14:29:43 janzert: the effect on Ants 2011-10-12T14:29:54 mleise: yes, and they are going away 2011-10-12T14:30:23 the one that was there this morning was created by using two css3 drop shadows, yes 2011-10-12T14:30:36 the one that is there now is using a single drop shadow 2011-10-12T14:30:47 but I guess I wouldn't call it an emboss effect 2011-10-12T14:31:12 oh, i had the old version on my screen - which looked cool 2011-10-12T14:31:13 possibly your css hasn't refreshed since the change 2011-10-12T14:31:38 apparently no one but you and me liked it though ;) 2011-10-12T14:33:19 McLeopold: do you agree with Create Your Account going away? 2011-10-12T14:33:46 hmm, yeah 2011-10-12T14:33:51 it's the same as sign up 2011-10-12T14:33:57 * janzert nods 2011-10-12T14:34:34 want me to work on the rearranging or were you? 2011-10-12T14:34:44 updated my winxp and java, and I don't get the DEP anymore 2011-10-12T14:34:51 janzert: you 2011-10-12T14:34:53 yay :) 2011-10-12T14:34:56 ok 2011-10-12T14:36:44 I think Sign In / Sign Up is not intuitive especially for non-native speakers. It is short and neat though :-) 2011-10-12T14:37:01 Login / Register anyone? 2011-10-12T14:37:16 Login / Create Your Account? 2011-10-12T14:37:17 also the good thing is that it is made more explicit in the starter guide 2011-10-12T14:37:45 five minute quickstart guide that is 2011-10-12T14:38:05 that is an *absolute* link? 2011-10-12T14:38:17 aren't these evil? 2011-10-12T14:38:27 where? 2011-10-12T14:38:35 ok, i shut up already. in the starter guide 2011-10-12T14:39:04 ahh, we do try to avoid them yes 2011-10-12T14:40:03 the trouble is that for content getting pulled from the wiki it relative links will be broken there 2011-10-12T14:40:35 so I think authors tend to use absolute links when writing the page 2011-10-12T14:40:36 oh now that you mention it! how is the wiki content converted? 2011-10-12T14:40:46 I found that some of my text was massacrated 2011-10-12T14:41:08 McLeopold just changed how it is handled this morning 2011-10-12T14:41:15 I haven't really looked at it 2011-10-12T14:41:34 ok let me check if the problem is gone... 2011-10-12T14:44:17 aichallenge: janzert * r0858403 / website/menu.php : Rearrange website menu - http://git.io/lMwBPQ 2011-10-12T14:44:18 aichallenge: janzert * r77deb59 / website/css/pygments_style.css : Merge branch 'epsilon' of github.com:aichallenge/aichallenge into epsilon - http://git.io/iA8S-Q 2011-10-12T14:44:28 it is better. all the text is there now. but the indentation of list sub-items and font attributes (italic) are still missing 2011-10-12T14:45:22 *** ChrisH_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T14:46:47 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5) 2011-10-12T14:47:45 mleise: which page? 2011-10-12T14:47:55 the replay format description 2011-10-12T14:48:07 it is not important for participants though 2011-10-12T14:48:32 look for "map". It uses a unordered list inside the list item on github 2011-10-12T14:49:09 and text enclosed in * is printed with an emphasis tag ... 2011-10-12T14:49:35 sorry that I used so many exotic features ^^ 2011-10-12T14:51:00 mleise: I've switched to python-markdown for the server, I'm in the process of making it compatible with github 2011-10-12T14:51:53 ok, cool. it is a nice-to-have item though. all the important sections seem to render fine 2011-10-12T14:52:27 it looks like you need 4 spaces for a sub list 2011-10-12T14:52:50 huh? in python-markdown? 2011-10-12T14:53:03 em and strong work find 2011-10-12T14:53:06 fine 2011-10-12T14:53:14 McLeopold: #menu .highlight { font-size: 105%; } ? 2011-10-12T14:53:22 it's our css that sucks 2011-10-12T14:54:28 eh, maybe I'll play with the color some more 2011-10-12T14:54:51 don't get me started on to what lengths I went to print a simple html table from inside the visualizer fighting the css rules :p 2011-10-12T14:55:18 janzert: I'd go with color 2011-10-12T14:55:41 the reset.css needs to be scraped 2011-10-12T14:56:57 yeah, font size changes are noisy. bright white / normal white should work 2011-10-12T14:57:12 I've been using http://html5boilerplate.com/ lately 2011-10-12T14:58:27 mleise: the 4 spaces for sub lists is the same with standard markdown, github is different 2011-10-12T14:59:18 ok, then I'll just make it four spaces. or is it +4 spaces to the last indentation level? that would make 5 in sum 2011-10-12T15:00:00 the first doesn't need a space 2011-10-12T15:00:26 oh :-[ 2011-10-12T15:02:10 ok, done 2011-10-12T15:03:05 *** ChrisH_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-12T15:05:14 janzert: is HTML5 Boilerplate in use on the server? 2011-10-12T15:05:16 McLeopold: how about "#menu .highlight { color: #fff; }" i.e. change the list item marker color? 2011-10-12T15:05:19 mleise: no 2011-10-12T15:05:33 at least I don't believe so at all 2011-10-12T15:06:19 janzert: sure, I'm starting to not care... :) 2011-10-12T15:06:25 I'm just not finding a color combination between the normal menu links and the highlighted ones that I'm really liking :} 2011-10-12T15:07:27 I'll just go with the marker color for now then 2011-10-12T15:09:02 aichallenge: janzert * r505469c / website/css/layout.css : Add menu highlight styling - http://git.io/8ahpXQ 2011-10-12T15:09:44 list-style-type: circle; 2011-10-12T15:10:18 aichallenge: janzert * r7df212d / website/css/layout.css : Fix typo - http://git.io/COw9Yw 2011-10-12T15:10:54 McLeopold: ? they already are, aren't they 2011-10-12T15:11:04 disc is filled, circle is open 2011-10-12T15:11:11 ah 2011-10-12T15:11:30 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T15:13:30 aichallenge: janzert * r32c2cbc / website/css/layout.css : Change highlight styling - http://git.io/1fU1IQ 2011-10-12T15:13:55 *** darko has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T15:16:37 *** darko has left #aichallenge 2011-10-12T15:28:45 or like this? http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/2691/whitecircle.png 2011-10-12T15:32:45 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2011-10-12T15:32:46 aichallenge: McLeopold * r4f5d7e6 / (website/mdx_github.py website/redcarpet): improve github code markup - http://git.io/-ZWpzw 2011-10-12T15:33:41 aichallenge: McLeopold * r0343544 / website/mdx_github.py : remove stderr - http://git.io/LLq_rQ 2011-10-12T15:38:46 *** kaemo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-10-12T15:38:57 *** dvladim has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T15:39:16 *** kaemo has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T15:44:18 *** boegel has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T15:57:29 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T16:06:01 *** ChrisH_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T16:06:18 McLeopold: ping 2011-10-12T16:12:12 ChrisH_: what's up? 2011-10-12T16:13:16 I was just reading the McLeopold Focus Battle spec page, which is very useful BTW, and had a comment or two 2011-10-12T16:13:30 for improvements? 2011-10-12T16:14:13 The main thing being that not all of the examples could occur in a real game. That may be on purpose, if so, never mind, but it if not on purpose... 2011-10-12T16:14:31 ...maybe a revision is warranted. 2011-10-12T16:15:12 The one that jumps out at me is the Wall Punch section. 2011-10-12T16:15:12 is the McLeopold Focus Battle spec page different than the Ants Focus Battle Resolution page? 2011-10-12T16:15:35 janzert: no, sorry, not sure how I typed that. 2011-10-12T16:15:56 heh, ok. just thought I might be missing new interesting content 2011-10-12T16:16:10 LOL, sorry for the confusion. 2011-10-12T16:16:16 the wall punch is the most unlikely, but they could all occur 2011-10-12T16:17:10 Anyway, in an actual dynamic game it isn't possible for a bunch of enemy ants to get into the Wall Punch configuration because some of them would have to die before the two groups could get that close. 2011-10-12T16:17:39 Unless there were some hills spawning ants into that configuation of course. 2011-10-12T16:17:52 ;) 2011-10-12T16:18:15 So, I don't know if you care, but I thought I would mention it in case you did. 2011-10-12T16:22:28 *** dvladim has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2011-10-12T16:23:01 *** ChrisH_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-12T16:28:36 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-10-12T16:41:34 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T16:42:39 *** g0llum has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-12T16:46:23 aichallenge: janzert * r79231c8 / website/rules.php : Remove time limit disqualification rule since we no longer disqualify on that - http://git.io/R2o13Q 2011-10-12T16:46:45 and we haven't since before planetwars ;) 2011-10-12T16:57:59 *** rabidus has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-10-12T17:05:27 *** rabidus has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T17:06:14 *** Palmik has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-12T17:08:25 *** boegel has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-10-12T17:22:55 *** McLeopold has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-10-12T17:35:28 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2011-10-12T17:37:11 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T17:40:46 *** ltriant has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T17:44:21 *** McLeopold has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T17:58:40 *** antimatroid1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-10-12T17:59:12 *** antimatroid has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T18:09:41 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2011-10-12T18:13:16 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T18:14:35 *** ibdknox_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T18:17:05 *** mleise has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-10-12T19:20:10 *** ibdknox_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-12T19:20:35 *** ibdknox_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T19:25:03 *** ibdknox_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-10-12T19:46:53 *** olexs1 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-10-12T19:53:49 *** mceier has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2011-10-12T20:14:58 aichallenge: McLeopold * rf22e20a / (3 files in 3 dirs): add tab synchronization - http://git.io/E9cEzQ 2011-10-12T20:21:12 janzert / amstan: http://beta.aichallenge.org/specification_battle.php look at the code at the bottom, plus the wiki text, I'm almost to multi-language tutorials :) 2011-10-12T20:22:45 *** McLeopold has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-12T21:49:58 *** McLeopold has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-12T22:03:46 *** okay is now known as okayzed 2011-10-12T22:12:22 aarossig: you around? 2011-10-12T22:21:52 anybody use password software? 2011-10-12T22:27:56 what sort of password software? I use Password Maker in my browser for general passwords and Password Safe separately for secure passwords 2011-10-12T22:32:15 I think I'm going with bruce's stuff, passwordsafe.sourceforge.net 2011-10-12T22:32:33 I use pwgen for making em 2011-10-12T22:32:36 yep, that's password safe 2011-10-12T22:43:28 McLeopold: you rang? 2011-10-12T22:47:24 McLeopold: okay, I did some log reading -- just clear up what you want me to do. This IRC runs in a screen session so I'll read your reply sooner or later 2011-10-12T23:05:36 McLeopold: what's this ai-contest.css? 2011-10-12T23:05:57 McLeopold: it doesn't seem to work on my server when i have it in a folder 2011-10-12T23:06:05 do i have to exec anything? 2011-10-12T23:06:18 website/setup.py will generate it 2011-10-12T23:06:43 basically it's just a concatenation of all the css files under website/css 2011-10-12T23:06:51 amstan: what do you think of my suggestions to solve this landing page/header issue? 2011-10-12T23:06:56 oh, it does, ok 2011-10-12T23:07:26 idk yet 2011-10-12T23:07:32 ^^ aarossig 2011-10-12T23:07:41 aarossig: I should be sleeping already, but I think the front page should be what you're referring to as a splash page 2011-10-12T23:07:49 and it can hang around for logged in users too 2011-10-12T23:08:06 janzert: yes.. but I was thinking to create it like facebook has 2011-10-12T23:08:27 and we can have our identity clearly marked on that page as well -- giant ant logo or something like that 2011-10-12T23:08:39 but I still don't think it should have a large header ;) since that will just push your beautiful content that will draw them in below the fold 2011-10-12T23:08:51 aarossig: just looking for some front page love 2011-10-12T23:09:13 this splash page for non-logged in users might not even have a navbar or header... 2011-10-12T23:09:29 remember for some largish percentage of your users below the fold content might as well not exist 2011-10-12T23:09:31 a barebones page to grab your attention 2011-10-12T23:09:59 ANTS! login here: ___ sign up here: ___ 2011-10-12T23:10:03 meh, make it an interesting, draw you in front page 2011-10-12T23:10:20 something that tells them how exciting the contest is :) 2011-10-12T23:10:30 janzert: exactly - something eye catching and quick 2011-10-12T23:10:46 McLeopold: Your book suggestion is on my rather large pile 2011-10-12T23:10:55 (of books to read) 2011-10-12T23:11:05 surely the regular home page can be made to fill the roll 2011-10-12T23:11:45 ugh.. this doesn't work for me 2011-10-12T23:11:55 janzert: maybe it can. If we intend to use it as a blog, do you think it will still work? 2011-10-12T23:11:59 concat css should be first 2011-10-12T23:12:15 I don't think the front page should turn into a blog 2011-10-12T23:12:26 isn't that what we have right now? 2011-10-12T23:12:40 more or less... 2011-10-12T23:12:53 right now we don't really have much of anything 2011-10-12T23:12:57 just a short intro really 2011-10-12T23:13:06 okay, fair enough then 2011-10-12T23:13:19 the frontpage will stay pretty static throughout the contest 2011-10-12T23:13:39 good to know, is this a change from previous contests? 2011-10-12T23:13:46 probably a few announcements added for the finals and then the results and that is hopefully it 2011-10-12T23:13:50 yeah 2011-10-12T23:13:50 nope 2011-10-12T23:14:06 okay, that's what I remembered from tron when I first wanted to help improve your site design 2011-10-12T23:14:55 it might have been more of a blog feel for tron, I guess I don't really remember very accurately that far back :/ 2011-10-12T23:15:30 well, the main reason that I'm kind of put off by these sudden changes is because I feel that we shouldn't let anything hold us back for our landing page (aside from flash) 2011-10-12T23:15:49 ? 2011-10-12T23:16:02 it should be visually appealing and grab the attention of as many users as possible, even if they don't know how to program 2011-10-12T23:16:45 I agree, I just feel that should be able to fit into the framework of the header and sidebar that go with the rest of the site as well 2011-10-12T23:16:55 i made the gradient more inthe title 2011-10-12T23:16:57 http://home.hypertriangle.com/~alex/aichallenge/website/ 2011-10-12T23:17:08 it should be able to hold that steady as the move onto other parts of the site 2011-10-12T23:17:19 the title looks better if there's gradient under it, by being smaller, it was getting in the solid section only 2011-10-12T23:17:46 amstan: looks the same as what is currently live to me 2011-10-12T23:17:53 amstan: same 2011-10-12T23:17:59 did you rebuild the css after changing? 2011-10-12T23:18:00 hard refresh 2011-10-12T23:18:04 i did, yes 2011-10-12T23:18:13 yep, I did 2011-10-12T23:18:32 and I don't think I've visited that page before so shouldn't have been cached anyway 2011-10-12T23:18:41 or if I have it was months ago 2011-10-12T23:18:45 put the main one next to it 2011-10-12T23:18:50 and switch between them 2011-10-12T23:18:57 I'm flipping between two tabs 2011-10-12T23:18:59 oh 2011-10-12T23:19:06 what might solve this header issue... reduce the size of the AI Challenge text? 2011-10-12T23:19:10 sorry about that, forgot to do other browsers, only changed webkit 2011-10-12T23:19:15 * amstan is an idiot 2011-10-12T23:19:16 only thing changes is glow behind Ants disappears 2011-10-12T23:19:19 ahh 2011-10-12T23:19:32 try now 2011-10-12T23:19:47 now it's there :) 2011-10-12T23:20:00 yeah, it's there for me too -- though the difference is rather small 2011-10-12T23:20:25 aarossig: red ants? 2011-10-12T23:20:34 amstan: try making the font smaller on AI Challenge and Ants 2011-10-12T23:20:36 aarossig: fan of that? 2011-10-12T23:20:48 biggest thing I don't like about the header atm is the left feels too bare and right too crowded 2011-10-12T23:21:02 janzert: yeah, it worked better with the longer name 2011-10-12T23:21:03 amstan: yea, that was always part of my svg file but the red got washed out from low-res 2011-10-12T23:21:09 amstan: yes 2011-10-12T23:21:26 there 2011-10-12T23:21:29 they do look good 2011-10-12T23:21:29 fixed the title length 2011-10-12T23:21:35 hehe 2011-10-12T23:21:46 lol 2011-10-12T23:21:52 Double Rainbow 2011-10-12T23:22:00 ok, I'm really off for the night 2011-10-12T23:22:07 janzert: cya 2011-10-12T23:22:08 have fun :) 2011-10-12T23:22:12 janzert: cya 2011-10-12T23:22:19 amstan: try reducing the font-size please 2011-10-12T23:22:28 sec 2011-10-12T23:22:51 amstan: found some more dubmood in a Razor keygen music folder -- it's awesome 2011-10-12T23:23:40 aichallenge: Alexandru Stan * rc124fc6 / website/setup.py : changed the setup script to do markdown last; it speeds up css deving - http://git.io/S37I0Q 2011-10-12T23:24:37 also.. those overlapping ants look horrible, move them down -- that might make all the difference 2011-10-12T23:24:51 oh! move them down + mirror in the Y-axis 2011-10-12T23:24:57 yes, that should do it 2011-10-12T23:25:25 then it will look like they are invading the word Google lol 2011-10-12T23:25:52 perhaps we should move them to the left side 2011-10-12T23:25:58 but do you really like the red? 2011-10-12T23:26:01 yeah 2011-10-12T23:26:03 looks good 2011-10-12T23:26:05 i don't think it looks professional enough 2011-10-12T23:26:26 they should be on the right, and something cool on the left 2011-10-12T23:26:34 maybe a larger ant 2011-10-12T23:26:40 or.. some kind of site statistic 2011-10-12T23:26:57 or a few site statistics, in a very small font 2011-10-12T23:27:11 monospace font too 2011-10-12T23:27:12 it looks cleaner on that side without them 2011-10-12T23:27:14 hmm.. 2011-10-12T23:27:43 idk.. it is cleaner but now it's more boring 2011-10-12T23:27:48 *** okayzed is now known as okay 2011-10-12T23:27:57 try mirror across the Y-axis and move them down slightly 2011-10-12T23:28:11 brb, water 2011-10-12T23:35:04 amstan: okay, i'm going to bed -- work tomorrow 2011-10-12T23:35:12 cya 2011-10-12T23:35:30 k 2011-10-12T23:35:32 cya 2011-10-12T23:56:03 contestbot: later tell mleise i made you a mod on the forums 2011-10-12T23:56:03 amstan: As you wish. 2011-10-12T23:56:56 @later tell contestbot @later tell jbroman test 2011-10-12T23:56:56 jbroman: Error: I can't send notes to myself. 2011-10-12T23:56:59 Aww. 2011-10-12T23:57:46 hmm 2011-10-12T23:57:52 yeah.. doesn't work 2011-10-12T23:57:57 now? 2011-10-12T23:58:02 jbroman: problem is that @later tells are notices, not messages in the channel 2011-10-12T23:58:09 so contestbot won't exec commands from those 2011-10-12T23:58:15 OIC 2011-10-12T23:58:24 Thought they were private messages. 2011-10-12T23:58:28 Meh. 2011-10-12T23:58:40 they seemed nicer to be notices 2011-10-12T23:58:45 there's a setting 2011-10-12T23:58:52 Don't really care. 2011-10-12T23:58:54 *** okay is now known as okayzed 2011-10-12T23:58:56 Was just curious if it would work. 2011-10-12T23:59:20 i made a bot once which would execute any command in a pm 2011-10-12T23:59:27 and reply with errors if there was an error 2011-10-12T23:59:33 as in shell exec? 2011-10-12T23:59:41 no, just interpret