2011-10-17T00:02:51 *** erjiang has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T00:15:29 *** dvladim has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T00:22:49 *** dvladim has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-17T00:31:38 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-10-17T00:44:05 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T01:26:19 <_flag> If any map mapmakers are here, I'd like to hear the rational behind maps like this: http://aichallenge.org/map.php?map=multi_hill_maze/multi_maze_19.map 2011-10-17T01:26:43 <_flag> They just seem to create really chaotic and unpredictable games, which makes it harder to differentiate the good bots from the bad ones 2011-10-17T01:29:02 <_flag> s/rational/rationale 2011-10-17T01:49:53 *** keith_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T01:53:18 *** ibdknox has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T02:44:45 _flag: are you referring to the number of hills? 2011-10-17T02:45:08 i agree, i just put in parameters mcleopold gave me, it shouldn't be hard to reduce the parameters 2011-10-17T02:45:21 <_flag> antimatroid: That and the nature in which they're arranged 2011-10-17T02:45:39 <_flag> If there were a ton of hills but they were at least in some way defendable I wouldn't mind 2011-10-17T02:45:42 *** onensora has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T02:45:47 <_flag> But they're all out in the open and beside each other 2011-10-17T02:45:52 <_flag> It's chaotic 2011-10-17T02:45:55 *** onensora has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-17T02:46:11 yeah, i have a minimum euclidean distance between hills but in order to allow the parameters asked for it had to be pretty small 2011-10-17T02:47:15 <_flag> You could try making hills belonging to the same player near each other 2011-10-17T02:47:29 <_flag> So that I could at least focus on defending an "area" 2011-10-17T02:48:19 that can be done 2011-10-17T02:48:30 although i'm really really busy for the next month outside of the ai contest 2011-10-17T02:48:33 well just under a month now 2011-10-17T02:48:53 and i smashed my face up the other night, so i need to get dental work done in the next few weeks 2011-10-17T02:49:27 *** kaemo has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T02:49:38 <_flag> The contest can start without it, but in the long run I think it's best if the maps have a little more structure so the results are less random 2011-10-17T02:49:58 yeah, i will work on them once i've finished all my uni stuff 2011-10-17T03:02:30 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-10-17T03:04:20 *** Akranis has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T03:12:26 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-17T03:20:34 *** Blkt has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T03:23:20 good morning everyone 2011-10-17T03:51:56 *** meta-coder has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T04:18:12 *** onensora has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T04:29:29 *** Accoun has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-10-17T04:33:37 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T04:36:26 *** meta-coder has left #aichallenge ("Leaving") 2011-10-17T04:45:30 *** ibdknox has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-17T04:54:22 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T05:02:18 *** g0llum has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T05:26:23 *** red1ynx has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T05:30:03 *** boegel has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T05:30:36 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T05:35:51 *** Kop6ypaTop has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T06:02:47 *** Kingpin13 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T06:03:25 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T06:23:54 *** LS_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T06:43:16 *** Kop6ypaTop has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-17T06:50:47 *** LS_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-17T06:50:50 *** foRei has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T06:52:04 antimatroid: What did you do to your face 2011-10-17T07:05:45 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T07:07:38 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T07:11:01 *** Akranis has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-17T07:12:57 *** eashoka has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T07:19:05 *** eashoka has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-17T07:38:05 *** Abrackadabra has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T07:38:11 hello, guys 2011-10-17T07:38:20 i've got a stupid question 2011-10-17T07:38:40 is the contest that is currently going on still beta? 2011-10-17T07:39:30 and if it is, when will the main contest start and end? 2011-10-17T07:45:02 *** Abrackadabra has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-17T07:47:28 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-10-17T07:57:32 *** kaemo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-10-17T08:00:20 *** JaycobColeman has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T08:05:43 heyo 2011-10-17T08:06:19 Anybody know how an anthill's location is seen after it's been razed? 2011-10-17T08:06:40 as in...is it considered normal land? 2011-10-17T08:18:20 *** laksjdklasd has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T08:18:24 hi 2011-10-17T08:19:25 laksjdklasd 2011-10-17T08:19:42 yea 2011-10-17T08:20:16 sorry, typo.. i just smashed my keyboard 2011-10-17T08:20:50 :-DO:-) 2011-10-17T08:23:00 =) 2011-10-17T08:23:04 aarossig: nice video, and I'm happy that it stayed very crisp. after the upload to youtube. 2011-10-17T08:23:40 *** laksjdklasd has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-17T08:24:41 I just wonder why you say "when he finds food". An ant is either "it" or "she" if you are into ant biology. 2011-10-17T08:26:36 *** JaycobColeman has quit IRC (Quit: JaycobColeman) 2011-10-17T08:27:30 Your voice is also good and easy to understand. 2011-10-17T08:31:36 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-10-17T08:32:23 *** red1ynx has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-17T08:44:57 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T08:46:44 *** sir_macelon has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T08:46:50 hi 2011-10-17T08:58:54 gogle hase no chelenge this eue? 2011-10-17T08:59:05 eyur 2011-10-17T08:59:14 2011 is the eyer? 2011-10-17T08:59:23 who it on enlish? 2011-10-17T09:08:06 :DD 2011-10-17T09:24:11 Accoun: ant's is going to launch in the next few weeks, it's just taken way longer than expected 2011-10-17T09:26:11 *** kaemo has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T09:26:32 *** Akranis has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T09:32:04 Accoun, antimatroid: I hope the contest starts on this thursday. 2011-10-17T09:32:13 i would like that too 2011-10-17T09:33:49 Accoun: the word is 'year'. and the question would be "What is it in English?". 'who' is for asking about a person, 'what' is for a thing. 2011-10-17T09:37:14 This challenge is also going to be a bit more complicated than PlanetWars, so it helps if you can understand the English text on the website well. Or if you find someone else who speaks русский. 2011-10-17T09:42:11 antimatroid: ping 2011-10-17T09:42:58 mleise: "What is it in English?" 2011-10-17T09:43:14 why do you think he wanted to ask this? 2011-10-17T09:44:45 antimatroid: another ping, i want to talk to you too 2011-10-17T10:02:28 *** kaemo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2011-10-17T10:05:03 i 2011-10-17T10:05:05 i'm here 2011-10-17T10:05:06 sorry 2011-10-17T10:05:09 was doing assignments 2011-10-17T10:05:22 mcstar, delt0r: reping 2011-10-17T10:05:56 ladies first 2011-10-17T10:06:15 mcstar: did you see my pretty face pictures? 2011-10-17T10:06:27 i guess not 2011-10-17T10:06:30 http://imgur.com/a/1ugas 2011-10-17T10:06:33 where can it be seen? 2011-10-17T10:06:34 that was from friday night :P 2011-10-17T10:06:35 ah 2011-10-17T10:07:07 thx 2011-10-17T10:07:16 :p 2011-10-17T10:07:24 is it too cruel if i laughed? 2011-10-17T10:07:53 did you feel pain? you seemed quite happy on the first pic 2011-10-17T10:08:38 i don't remember the fall, i was pretty drunk 2011-10-17T10:08:47 not very fun at the moment :P 2011-10-17T10:10:35 so, ahhh, what did you guys want anyway :P 2011-10-17T10:10:56 you look quite different on these shots than on the one you showed me earlier with your dog 2011-10-17T10:11:20 injury aside of course 2011-10-17T10:11:33 dog picture would have been like 3 years ago 2011-10-17T10:11:37 and with longer hair 2011-10-17T10:11:54 antimatroid: do you remember that you told me, you couldnt overload arithmetic operators for your matrices? 2011-10-17T10:12:03 for your game-theory framework 2011-10-17T10:12:10 what? 2011-10-17T10:12:23 you said something like this 2011-10-17T10:12:24 i can't overload the precedence of operators 2011-10-17T10:12:38 aham 2011-10-17T10:12:41 how so? 2011-10-17T10:12:45 in what way? 2011-10-17T10:13:04 i dont remember what was the exact problem 2011-10-17T10:13:07 say I overload ^ and * for matrices, I need to say something like C = A*(B^2) 2011-10-17T10:13:22 at least from memory, otherwise A*B^2 gives (A*B)^2 2011-10-17T10:13:30 erm 2011-10-17T10:13:39 yeah that's right 2011-10-17T10:13:46 ok 2011-10-17T10:13:49 i forgot that 2011-10-17T10:14:37 imo precedence should work so a quadratic f(x) = a.x^2 + b.x + c doesn't need any parentheses 2011-10-17T10:14:57 ^ is xor 2011-10-17T10:15:13 meh :P i'm a mathematician :P 2011-10-17T10:15:28 im learning c++ btw 2011-10-17T10:15:32 thats why imasking 2011-10-17T10:15:32 *** Borik has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T10:15:34 i also wish keyboards had maths notation and doing maths on computers wasn't such a hack job 2011-10-17T10:15:36 but programmers :( 2011-10-17T10:15:40 :D 2011-10-17T10:15:50 hello!! 2011-10-17T10:16:11 well, it isnt, apparently you havent tried mathematica's 2D math input 2011-10-17T10:16:29 but obviously c++ wont help you there 2011-10-17T10:17:06 i mean like typing up maths 2011-10-17T10:17:11 it's such a pita with latex 2011-10-17T10:17:40 and as if a keyboard doesn't have composite operation, subset, less/greater etc. relations 2011-10-17T10:17:40 *** Borik has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-17T10:17:49 or the greek alphabet in unicode, wtf 2011-10-17T10:18:03 its somewhat easier in mathematica 2011-10-17T10:18:20 you input special symbols with ESC some characters ESC 2011-10-17T10:18:38 and when you press the second esc, a nice something shows up 2011-10-17T10:18:45 like an integral sign for int 2011-10-17T10:20:23 sounds a lot like a hack job :P 2011-10-17T10:20:35 it should be done at the os level :( 2011-10-17T10:20:52 same with browsers, latex plugins with greasemonkey etc. are awful 2011-10-17T10:21:04 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-17T10:21:14 particularly when combined with reddits comment stuff with ^ etc. 2011-10-17T10:21:20 antimatroid: another 100 years ad the machines will read your mind, then you will be satified 2011-10-17T10:21:22 s 2011-10-17T10:21:32 i'll be dead :P 2011-10-17T10:21:36 or that 2011-10-17T10:23:35 why are you learning c++? 2011-10-17T10:25:22 financial resons 2011-10-17T10:25:23 *** amstan_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T10:25:23 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan_ 2011-10-17T10:25:27 reasons* 2011-10-17T10:25:53 c++ programmers are needed, and i dont want to learn c# or java 2011-10-17T10:26:00 at least not now 2011-10-17T10:26:09 *** kaemo has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T10:26:10 and i have a bit background in c++, not like in the others 2011-10-17T10:27:19 yeah fair enough 2011-10-17T10:34:24 contestbot: learn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGijmGbQxWM as launchvideo 2011-10-17T10:34:24 amstan_: I come to serve. 2011-10-17T10:34:28 @launchvideo 2011-10-17T10:34:29 amstan_: User error, it's not my fault. 2011-10-17T10:34:33 ugh.. 2011-10-17T10:34:42 contestbot: learn launchvideo as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGijmGbQxWM 2011-10-17T10:34:42 amstan_: I think that worked... 2011-10-17T10:34:48 antimatroid: ^^ 2011-10-17T10:35:11 i'll watch it in a minute 2011-10-17T10:41:44 amstan_: that's awesome 2011-10-17T10:41:56 *** cesteban has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T10:42:45 *** amstan_ is now known as amstan 2011-10-17T10:44:06 Hello, I'm teaching an AI course on Universidad Carlos III de Madrid, Spain. I want my students to participate in the ants challenge. When it is suppose to start? 2011-10-17T10:44:59 Do you think it would be possible to tackle the problem with evolutionary computation? How long does it take to simulate a single match? 2011-10-17T10:45:06 Thanks 2011-10-17T10:45:22 cesteban: it will hopefully launch in a few days 2011-10-17T10:46:03 you're welcome to throw whatever you want at it, although note that you only have 0.5 seconds (I think) per turn and you cannot write to file on the official servers 2011-10-17T10:46:21 animatroid: any idea how long it will be open for submitting? 2011-10-17T10:46:23 but you can of course write to files locally (which includes playing on tcp) if you want to train parameters or whatever if you will 2011-10-17T10:46:28 2-3 months i suspect 2011-10-17T10:46:40 Ok, that's perfect 2011-10-17T10:47:01 you might also want to look into setting up a tcp server just for your students, i can't help you there though :P 2011-10-17T10:47:11 but competitors in the past have done something like that with their workplace 2011-10-17T10:47:30 *** kaemo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-10-17T10:48:34 about the evolutionary computation, my only concern is that for training the system we need to simulate thousands of matches. Is there any way of playing against predefined bots in offline mode? 2011-10-17T10:49:28 i imagine your largest bottleneck would be bot running time rather than network lag for tcp, so that's always helpful 2011-10-17T10:49:44 otherwise you might find some people willing to share binaries, otherwise you just need to test locally against what you have 2011-10-17T10:50:10 we encourage people not to actually share code for their bots during the contest so each competitor knows how they've done relative to the other people who have taken the time to write a bot 2011-10-17T10:50:25 rather than how well they've done to people who have submitted other peoples or slight variations of other peoples bots 2011-10-17T10:51:45 I actually don't care much about the ranking position. Of course, I'll love to win :-) But it is an assignment, so the only important thing is for the students to be able of take part 2011-10-17T10:52:22 i would be careful about assigning the contest as an assignment? when does the semester end? 2011-10-17T10:52:48 january 2011-10-17T10:52:49 it really should be launching soon, but personally i'd maybe go for a local tournament then also have students enter the contest if they like? 2011-10-17T10:53:05 you should be fairly safe i think, but yeah, i can't promise anything :) 2011-10-17T10:53:16 also, make them use the c++ bot because i wrote that :P 2011-10-17T10:53:49 anyway, it's 2am, i'm off to bed, night 2011-10-17T10:53:53 Nope, they use Java in this course, sorry :-/ 2011-10-17T10:53:58 :( 2011-10-17T10:54:11 oh, ok, animatroid, thank you very much 2011-10-17T10:54:17 good night :-) 2011-10-17T10:55:07 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-10-17T10:56:14 (of course people are welcome to share strategy ideas, just not code) 2011-10-17T10:56:41 no! no! use the D starter, not the C++ one, because I wrote it 2011-10-17T10:57:03 antimatroid: we could have used a specially sized map yesterday :) 2011-10-17T10:58:24 make them use their own starter bots since they are CS students 2011-10-17T10:59:30 the music is not bad on the video, but the poor guy who watched it, will keep wondering wheather blue or green won 2011-10-17T11:00:39 mcstar: I really don't care much about the bots, I'll find out which ones to use, my biggest concern is that an evolutionary algorithm needs to simulate thousands of matches in very short time, and I need to be sure that I can play the game very fast in offline mode (against silly bots if needed) 2011-10-17T11:01:12 mleise: sorry :) 2011-10-17T11:01:19 what you download is the same framework that the server runs 2011-10-17T11:01:33 cesteban: you can do as fast as your bots give you input 2011-10-17T11:02:17 *** onensora has quit IRC () 2011-10-17T11:02:54 of course you can launch many games at parallel, or even, for local development, you can use multi-threaded bots too 2011-10-17T11:03:13 mcstar: Ok, perfect, that's what I needed to know 2011-10-17T11:03:50 as a past competitor i would advise against having too much difference between the bots you run locally and submit to the official server 2011-10-17T11:04:00 bugs can be a tricky beast with a bot 2011-10-17T11:04:16 cesteban: A few people wrote their own engine last time, but it was easy to implement an engine for PlanetWars. That way you can run several versions of your bot + the engine in one process without parsing text on stdin etc. 2011-10-17T11:04:29 the bot that locally evolutionarily develops an algorithms can and should be very different from the one that he might upload 2011-10-17T11:04:36 -s 2011-10-17T11:04:47 yeah, i don't know much about that stuff 2011-10-17T11:05:38 Well, What I need is a complete engine that can be played offline very fast 2011-10-17T11:05:49 Is there something like that available 2011-10-17T11:05:50 ? 2011-10-17T11:06:02 the engine is fast, your bots take time to think up their next moves 2011-10-17T11:06:11 the complete engine is in the tools package 2011-10-17T11:06:32 you are free to consider a python program slow if you like :) 2011-10-17T11:06:50 Ok, perfect, tha engine.py, I assume 2011-10-17T11:07:06 really if you want top performance, you'll end up reimplementing it in a native compiling language 2011-10-17T11:07:15 those files are somewhat interconnected i think, look for the imports 2011-10-17T11:07:24 maybe you will need to tweak the sandbox a bit 2011-10-17T11:07:40 compiled? 2011-10-17T11:08:18 mcstar: the language should be compiling code, not be compiled itself :p 2011-10-17T11:08:35 real men program in binary 2011-10-17T11:08:38 cesteban: delt0r wrote a more or less complete engine in java, maybe it suits your needs better 2011-10-17T11:09:08 antimatroid: I wrote a GIF viewer in and MD5 algorithm in assembly, is that close enough to binary? 2011-10-17T11:09:23 nope :P 2011-10-17T11:09:30 pfff 2011-10-17T11:09:35 punch cards are close enough 2011-10-17T11:09:45 thats not even binary 2011-10-17T11:09:54 i know, but it sounds almost as tedious 2011-10-17T11:09:59 damn, only my father used to have access to such exclusive hardware 2011-10-17T11:10:28 one of the lecturers at my uni would crack jokes about the old days and how much more careful you were about bugs etc. 2011-10-17T11:11:07 lol, well, yeah without memory protection, you are f'ed 2011-10-17T11:11:09 mcstar: that java engine will be perfect for me 2011-10-17T11:11:26 delt0r_: are you tehre? 2011-10-17T11:11:35 probably not 2011-10-17T11:11:41 but usually he is around 2011-10-17T11:11:42 delt0r_: you are my only hope lol 2011-10-17T11:11:59 i dont think he implemented the hills 2011-10-17T11:12:20 mleise: did delt0r know about the "surprise" changes? 2011-10-17T11:12:29 ok, I'll try again later. At what time does he usually connects? 2011-10-17T11:12:54 think in GMT 2011-10-17T11:12:55 lol, you need to specify a timezone here :P 2011-10-17T11:13:19 yes, that was my next question 2011-10-17T11:13:25 where does he lives? 2011-10-17T11:13:26 lol 2011-10-17T11:13:26 (also, i'm just terrible at going to bed, i wasn't trying to stop talking to you before :P) 2011-10-17T11:13:56 he is GMT+1 i think 2011-10-17T11:14:06 animatroid: don't worry, Ia ppreciate a lot your help ;-) 2011-10-17T11:14:09 at least i am, and he is pretty close 2011-10-17T11:16:50 Ok, GTM+1 is very close to me, that will be easy 2011-10-17T11:16:53 :-) 2011-10-17T11:17:28 *** Ugzuzg has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T11:17:48 you said "good night" 2011-10-17T11:17:53 cant be that close 2011-10-17T11:18:20 hi. how to test my source code in pascal? 2011-10-17T11:18:20 nvm, im just nitpicking 2011-10-17T11:18:41 mleise: yout turn 2011-10-17T11:18:44 t->r 2011-10-17T11:20:53 mcstar: I said good night because he told me it's 3 am for him. Here its 5 pm 2011-10-17T11:21:12 17:20 here, close then 2011-10-17T11:21:13 i said 2am :P 2011-10-17T11:21:30 *** boegel has quit IRC (Quit: *poof!*) 2011-10-17T11:21:30 antimatroid: you need your beauty-sleep 2011-10-17T11:21:34 you really need it 2011-10-17T11:21:41 animatroid: sorry, 2 am ;-) 2011-10-17T11:21:51 mcstar: gee, thanks :P 2011-10-17T11:31:17 what? pascal? 2011-10-17T11:31:57 delt0r did not know about ant hills. only those who needed to know, knew 2011-10-17T11:34:34 Ugzuzg: hi. do you have the tools? 2011-10-17T11:34:58 mleise: yep 2011-10-17T11:35:45 look at play_one_game.sh/.cmd or play_one_game_live.sh/.cmd. These scripts start a game with 4 python bots 2011-10-17T11:36:10 You can replace one of those with your pascal program. its really simple 2011-10-17T11:37:35 mleise: i did it 2011-10-17T11:39:27 *** kaemo has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T11:39:43 If you want to print stuff on the console you'll need to write to stderr. I'm not sure how to do that in pascal, yet. 2011-10-17T11:39:45 mleise: so you mean that delt0r engine is not complete? 2011-10-17T11:40:03 delt0r has an engine? 2011-10-17T11:40:30 if it is on github you can probably check the date 2011-10-17T11:40:48 if it was updated after the switch to ant hills, it probably works 2011-10-17T11:42:30 cesteban: You might try creating a large set of very small 2 player maps, then you could simulate a lot more matches 2011-10-17T11:42:54 *** Ugzuzg has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-17T11:44:09 McLeopold: yes that's my choice 2011-10-17T11:44:44 but I just tried the play_one_game.sh recommended by mleise, and the problem is that it is slooooow 2011-10-17T11:44:55 takes several minutes to make 1000 turns 2011-10-17T11:45:13 it is because the size of the default map, or because of the bots logic? 2011-10-17T11:46:32 cesteban: did you try with only dummy bots? 2011-10-17T11:46:41 to see if it is the engine or the bots? 2011-10-17T11:47:47 smaller maps will help in any case of course. usually if you want to test fighting it would be bad if you had to wait 500 turns until the bots get to meet each other with more than one ant :p 2011-10-17T11:48:03 *** vladimirfol has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T11:48:27 test 2011-10-17T11:54:46 cesteban: how many games per minute would you think is enough to do Evolutionary computation? 2011-10-17T11:58:02 *** ibdknox has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T12:00:04 *** sir_macelon has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-17T12:00:05 cesteban: 1000 turns took 12.410 seconds on my machine, with the default map and bots 2011-10-17T12:00:27 McLeopold: that's too much for EC 2011-10-17T12:00:36 I think that's 12,410 in spanish :) 2011-10-17T12:00:44 1 game per second? 2011-10-17T12:00:47 hehe, yes 2011-10-17T12:00:58 yes, 1 game/second could be ok 2011-10-17T12:01:35 no, sorry, that is still too much 2011-10-17T12:02:44 *** ibdknox has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-17T12:03:33 cesteban: the tutorial map is about .8 seconds 2011-10-17T12:04:00 but it doesn't go the 1000 turns either 2011-10-17T12:04:13 just 56 turns 2011-10-17T12:04:39 1000 turns in under a second? aren't us asking for too much? 2011-10-17T12:05:37 *** vnerad has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T12:05:46 If you considered an individual ant's turn as a "game" and gathering food, or killing an enemy without dying a "win", then it might work 2011-10-17T12:05:48 McLeopold: It is two players or more? 2011-10-17T12:06:02 the tutorial map is 2 players 2011-10-17T12:06:14 I understand 2011-10-17T12:06:15 if you downloaded the tools, it's in there 2011-10-17T12:07:14 *** choas has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T12:08:39 Ok, I think I'll spend some more time surfing the code and playing with the tools. Then I'll come again If I need your help 2011-10-17T12:09:04 McLeopold: does the engine give time slices to the bots in succession, or at once? 2011-10-17T12:09:10 I appreciate a lot your support 2011-10-17T12:09:18 either way, you can specify 2011-10-17T12:09:26 default? 2011-10-17T12:09:43 because if you need speed, you want parallelism 2011-10-17T12:09:47 cesteban: if you have the time, go through the tutorial on the web site and help us with corrections or making it more understandable 2011-10-17T12:10:05 default is parrellel 2011-10-17T12:10:47 McLeopold: of course, if I can provide any feedback I'll let you know 2011-10-17T12:10:51 thanks a lot again 2011-10-17T12:11:02 and see you soon ;) 2011-10-17T12:11:14 cesteban: do you want to make an evolutionary bot, or you want each and every one of the class do one? 2011-10-17T12:12:36 I want the students to evolve a bot using Genetic Programming (GP) 2011-10-17T12:13:02 if its not a secret, what part do you want to handle with GP? 2011-10-17T12:13:55 the logic of the bot, I'm still not sure, because I don't know the details of the game 2011-10-17T12:14:17 for example, do you want to use a sort of influence mappings, and compute aim-functions that combine variables with a GP tuneable logic? 2011-10-17T12:14:33 cesteban: well, in general, a bot will need to be able to do pathfinding, so limiting the GP to attacking or food gathering might be best 2011-10-17T12:14:54 yes, it is a possibility 2011-10-17T12:15:19 plus, you need to attack hills for points, so if points is your only performance function, it will be slow to learn 2011-10-17T12:15:21 typically students are able to make their own choices 2011-10-17T12:15:44 I mean: some could use GP for the pathfinding, others for the strategy 2011-10-17T12:15:45 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T12:15:45 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-10-17T12:15:56 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant_colony_optimization 2011-10-17T12:16:06 I'm still not sure 2011-10-17T12:16:23 I have to learn more abouth the game 2011-10-17T12:16:25 cesteban: are you worried that maybe one of your students will write a better bot than you? 2011-10-17T12:16:36 :D 2011-10-17T12:18:16 McLeopold: that would make sense, if the ants could communicate with each other more efficiently, but since theres one entity that has all the bots information and drives the ants, i dont see the point in ant colony optimization 2011-10-17T12:18:27 couldnt* 2011-10-17T12:21:07 *** cesteban has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-17T12:23:58 *** cesteban has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T12:24:04 sorry I ran out of batteries 2011-10-17T12:26:23 *** Blkt has quit IRC (Quit: going home) 2011-10-17T12:27:09 *** dvladim has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T12:36:31 *** choas has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-17T12:49:43 @later tell amstan you need to apply bayesian learning to the faq problem 2011-10-17T12:49:43 McLeopold: Job's done. 2011-10-17T12:50:03 wow 7 people using pascal already :D 2011-10-17T12:53:01 *** cesteban has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-17T12:53:13 It looks like they are mostly from Russia or neighboring states, like Finnland or Ukraine. 2011-10-17T12:53:23 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-10-17T12:54:07 *** okayzed has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-17T12:54:30 I wonder if Pascal is the standard language of schools and universities on that part of the globe. 2011-10-17T12:56:25 *** onensora has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T12:58:48 Anyway, why are the Darkworks guys leading the ranks? Shouldn't they be hacking on their money-making AAA games? 2011-10-17T13:02:17 *** Palmik_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T13:03:34 finland and pascal :D 2011-10-17T13:03:47 yeah well, 10 years ago 2011-10-17T13:04:28 damit cesteban left already 2011-10-17T13:04:50 delt0r_: hell be back 2011-10-17T13:05:08 how's your engine? 2011-10-17T13:05:08 yea 2011-10-17T13:05:18 not changed since the rule change 2011-10-17T13:05:33 was it production-ready b4? 2011-10-17T13:05:38 been out of the country and sick and up the mountains 2011-10-17T13:05:43 not quite 2011-10-17T13:05:46 but close 2011-10-17T13:06:07 you said you gonna visit oktoberfest 2011-10-17T13:06:19 perhaps 6-8 hours away from ready 2011-10-17T13:06:23 I did 2011-10-17T13:06:26 one evening 2011-10-17T13:06:29 its not good 2011-10-17T13:06:39 a normal beer Garden is much nicer 2011-10-17T13:07:02 :) 2011-10-17T13:08:00 *** vladimirfol has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-17T13:09:27 *** vnerad has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-17T13:13:05 *** Cyndre has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T13:35:02 *** law_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T13:59:17 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T13:59:17 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-10-17T14:02:49 *** Dlayne has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T14:07:54 *** Areks has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-17T14:09:00 hello all 2011-10-17T14:09:15 *** Dlayne is now known as InsaneMalkavian 2011-10-17T14:09:32