2011-10-18T00:00:12 when we go live they'll be pointed at aichallenge.org yeah 2011-10-18T00:00:58 we're still a go for Thursday night right? 2011-10-18T00:01:49 what is your TTL on aichallenge.org right now? 2011-10-18T00:02:11 janzert: low, i'll set it to high when we launch 2011-10-18T00:02:20 by low i mean 2 min 2011-10-18T00:02:20 good :) 2011-10-18T00:02:23 hehe 2011-10-18T00:02:36 1 or 2 hours would be fine 2011-10-18T00:02:38 janzert: ok, can you check the configs now? 2011-10-18T00:02:39 *** moondust has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2011-10-18T00:02:59 we should still have a redirect from beta.aichallenge.org now, because we used it for a while 2011-10-18T00:03:08 *** moondust has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T00:03:12 and.. we need a redirect from the main server to this one, or repoint the domain 2011-10-18T00:03:24 yeah, repoint the domain.. 2011-10-18T00:03:35 hmm? beta.aichallenge.org should just go away after launch 2011-10-18T00:03:50 not sure what you mean about the main server redirect 2011-10-18T00:04:01 ai-contest.com should point at the new server too 2011-10-18T00:04:08 right 2011-10-18T00:04:13 but let's do that at launch 2011-10-18T00:04:26 actually... 2011-10-18T00:04:48 like.. i still don't have access to that yet 2011-10-18T00:04:58 you could go ahead and set the aichallenge.org TTL high now and I'll reassign the current IP address to the correct server at launch 2011-10-18T00:05:06 :( 2011-10-18T00:05:24 ok, sure 2011-10-18T00:05:59 quick: if you remmeber wha't the funtion that actually passes input to the bot? i want to run it in debug mode and mnaully feed it to the bot :) 2011-10-18T00:06:03 *** pvarga has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T00:06:12 quick q* 2011-10-18T00:06:28 janzert: 107.20.156.231 ? 2011-10-18T00:06:58 amstan: yep 2011-10-18T00:07:29 why can't i ping it? 2011-10-18T00:07:42 * amstan upped to 8 hours 2011-10-18T00:07:55 ICMP is probably blocked 2011-10-18T00:08:06 aww 2011-10-18T00:08:52 yeah, it's only allowing ssh and http through atm 2011-10-18T00:09:03 janzert: so.. everything should be a 301 to aichallenge.org then? 2011-10-18T00:09:09 nomad_man: I don't really recall the path through the engine to the bot fully offhand 2011-10-18T00:09:21 the actual sending function would be in sandbox.py though 2011-10-18T00:09:34 I think playgame has a debug option but I'm not sure how verbose that is 2011-10-18T00:09:34 janzert: no worries, thanks, i'll hunt it down there than 2011-10-18T00:09:53 janzert: i'm already with verbose says nothign of interest, i want to mnaully feed the stream 2011-10-18T00:10:02 with debugger attached, and step through 2011-10-18T00:10:05 amstan: everything as in? 2011-10-18T00:10:34 [www].ai-contest.com www.aichallenge.org aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com beta.aichallenge.org 2011-10-18T00:11:07 nomad_man: http://beta.aichallenge.org/specification.php might give you enough for you to feed to your bot 2011-10-18T00:11:46 I'd just drop the beta urls, but I suppose they can be redirected if you really want ;) 2011-10-18T00:11:57 janzert: yeah i saw that, but it takes the regular input no problme, for w/e reason. however on testing the submission crashes 2011-10-18T00:12:01 they're in google, and i don't want that 2011-10-18T00:12:05 the others though 301 would seem appropriate for sure 2011-10-18T00:12:22 they should disappear pretty quickly though 2011-10-18T00:12:27 and we're pretty much migrating from it, so might as well 2011-10-18T00:12:30 once they're no longer around 2011-10-18T00:13:11 *** dvladim has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T00:13:41 k, antsbeta.janzert still works 2011-10-18T00:13:57 janzert: now.. what do you think about my archiving stuff? 2011-10-18T00:14:14 I like a subdomain and separate server as well 2011-10-18T00:14:21 subdomain per game probably 2011-10-18T00:14:24 good 2011-10-18T00:14:34 but all the archives can probably live on one server 2011-10-18T00:14:38 hopefully 2011-10-18T00:14:42 of course 2011-10-18T00:15:26 we've put off doing the ones before, and somehow there's random data dissapearing from them 2011-10-18T00:15:46 too bad we couldn't redirect current planetwars urls to the right spot in the archive as well 2011-10-18T00:15:46 ex: from tron, replays aren't working anymore 2011-10-18T00:15:59 yeah, I've noticed 2011-10-18T00:15:59 can't we? 2011-10-18T00:16:16 many of them are the same urls we're now using for ants I think 2011-10-18T00:16:17 i guess we can't 2011-10-18T00:16:24 too bad 2011-10-18T00:16:52 anyway, so tron has missing replays 2011-10-18T00:17:11 what probably happened is that csc got annoyed at having 5GB in the mysql db, so they deleted a table or something 2011-10-18T00:17:23 i don't blame them 2011-10-18T00:17:57 janzert: oh yeah, have you seen the video? 2011-10-18T00:17:59 should we make the live site (except for the frontpage) live at ants.aichallenge.org? 2011-10-18T00:18:15 just a thought not really sure if it's a good idea or not 2011-10-18T00:18:25 I did see the video 2011-10-18T00:18:33 nice little intro 2011-10-18T00:18:38 janzert: seems like a good idea, the only problem i have with is what if there's more than 1 ants game 2011-10-18T00:18:54 but i think mcleopold said we should just go ants2 and so on 2011-10-18T00:18:59 i'm fine with that 2011-10-18T00:19:10 I'm not sure it should keep playing the game after the explanation has finished 2011-10-18T00:19:17 *** dvladim has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2011-10-18T00:19:30 or use a date based subdomain 2011-10-18T00:19:35 but I'm not sure what offhand 2011-10-18T00:19:54 that's kinda ugly, it should be semantic, date is too numeric 2011-10-18T00:20:52 or aichallenge.org/ants/... ? 2011-10-18T00:21:02 not sure 2011-10-18T00:21:24 think I like the subdomain slightly more 2011-10-18T00:21:36 folders means we need proxies going 2011-10-18T00:21:45 otherwise they have to be on the same server 2011-10-18T00:21:53 the folder would only be for the current contest 2011-10-18T00:22:24 use a subdomain and then it can be transparently moved to the archive server later 2011-10-18T00:23:15 the folder idea was just that it would be easy to set up a redirect for it later 2011-10-18T00:23:50 idk about folders yet, let me think about it 2011-10-18T00:23:54 i should also sleep 2011-10-18T00:24:02 workers going ok then? 2011-10-18T00:24:16 ok, and I've pretty much talked myself out of folders already anyway :) 2011-10-18T00:24:20 yep, seem to be fine 2011-10-18T00:24:33 lol 2011-10-18T00:31:01 mleise: I found why my bot timed out. I was using std::cin directly to read an int. When my bot was reading player_seed, std::cin stop working properly. So now I read the parameter with a string then I do a conversion to an int via a stringstream. (I should point out that the c++ starter package also uses directly std::cin to read an int value, but it doesn't read the parameter "player_seed", that is why it doesn't time out) 2011-10-18T00:31:31 Larose: are you flushing? 2011-10-18T00:31:48 Yes 2011-10-18T00:32:03 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2011-10-18T00:33:38 Larose: the player_seed is a 64bit int 2011-10-18T00:33:40 My bot was ok with "normal" seeds. But the seed in the test case seems "huge". 2011-10-18T00:34:03 or it is on 64bit platforms anyway which the contest servers are 2011-10-18T00:34:57 From the website: "All numbers will be 32 bit signed integers (-2147483648 to 2147483647) converted to strings" 2011-10-18T00:35:15 hmm, where is that? it's wrong 2011-10-18T00:35:19 http://aichallenge.org/specification.php 2011-10-18T00:36:05 So we should read that "All numbers will be 64 bits signed integers"? 2011-10-18T00:36:57 that whole thing is a little bit off, the value type should be determined by the parameter type being parsed 2011-10-18T00:37:24 but all the parameters except player_seed currently are 32bit integers 2011-10-18T00:37:42 *** knups has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T00:37:52 *** antimatroid has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-10-18T00:37:55 an unknown parameter should just treat the value as an opaque string 2011-10-18T00:38:11 Ok 2011-10-18T00:45:44 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T00:55:38 *** pvarga has quit IRC (Quit: pvarga) 2011-10-18T00:59:47 *** Palmik has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T01:06:46 here is another question 2011-10-18T01:07:07 what does "status invalid survived" means after the test script 2011-10-18T01:07:28 bot no longer crashes, but that's what i get :) 2011-10-18T01:08:02 I think invalid means the bot sent invalid output 2011-10-18T01:08:24 ah, i was trying my debug version 2011-10-18T01:08:50 be sure to send any debug output to stderr instead of stdout 2011-10-18T01:09:33 true, i'll re-test my release version, will find out 2011-10-18T01:10:16 yep, working now 2011-10-18T01:10:28 janzert: excellent tip, saved me a tonn of time :) 2011-10-18T01:12:16 What i should do if the letter with activation code dont sent to me? 2011-10-18T01:13:26 knups: first thing is just double check your spam folder, the subject should be "Google AI Challenge!" 2011-10-18T01:14:12 this challenge is an excellent way to learn C# 2011-10-18T01:14:15 thanks guys :) 2011-10-18T01:14:22 I did see a few accounts that had the confirmation letter bounce today though, so it's possible you were one of them 2011-10-18T01:14:26 nomad_man: great 2011-10-18T01:17:34 dang, it crashed :( 2011-10-18T01:17:45 *** wonklab has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-10-18T01:18:13 *** wonklab has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T01:23:08 *** antimatroid has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T01:26:02 *** knups has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-18T01:28:07 *** Palmik has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-18T01:46:03 *** Areks has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T02:06:24 *** ChrisH_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T02:21:35 *** ChrisH_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-18T02:28:59 *** Larose has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-10-18T02:35:48 *** kiv has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T03:05:15 *** eashoka has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T03:07:48 *** eashoka has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-18T03:24:39 *** boegel has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T03:25:45 *** Blkt has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T03:31:06 good morning everyone :D 2011-10-18T03:33:38 hi Blkt 2011-10-18T03:33:50 hi there 2011-10-18T03:44:56 *** ibdknox has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-18T03:45:27 *** ibdknox has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T03:48:32 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-10-18T03:49:52 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2011-10-18T03:50:09 *** ibdknox has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-10-18T03:58:06 *** kiv has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-18T03:58:21 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T04:04:58 *** kiv has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T04:08:03 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T04:15:43 *** onensora has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T04:36:09 *** TTE has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T04:48:28 *** TTE has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-18T05:27:12 *** g0llum has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T05:33:36 *** whe has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T05:38:37 *** Areks has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-18T05:39:42 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T05:44:46 *** manzurmm has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T05:44:55 *** Areks has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T05:46:44 hi! does anybody know when the challenge starts officially? 2011-10-18T05:50:51 maybe 2011-10-18T05:55:05 mcstar: and? 2011-10-18T05:55:37 to what end? 2011-10-18T05:55:41 sry 2011-10-18T05:55:44 to what and? 2011-10-18T05:55:47 :D 2011-10-18T05:56:00 i answered your question as honestly as i could 2011-10-18T05:56:21 i not sure, but there can be someone who might just know when it will actually start 2011-10-18T05:56:24 im* 2011-10-18T05:59:33 mcstar: cute answer, but absolutely useless 2011-10-18T06:00:21 at least its an answer, many such questions remained unanswered 2011-10-18T06:00:41 just wait for it, soon will start if you can believe in heresay 2011-10-18T06:08:21 manzurmm: we're hoping to launch this week but we'll see 2011-10-18T06:08:29 at least i think we are 2011-10-18T06:08:32 i'm fairly out of the loop too 2011-10-18T06:11:11 ok, thanks for the answer and your work 2011-10-18T06:41:14 *** Zannick has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-10-18T06:43:57 *** Riddle has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T06:46:33 *** Riddle has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-18T06:46:47 *** Zannick has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T06:53:22 *** Areks has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-18T06:58:04 *** JamesPotter has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T07:02:56 *** JamesPotter has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-18T07:03:56 *** foRei has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T07:12:30 *** rnk__ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T07:12:30 *** rnk__ is now known as rnkishi 2011-10-18T07:34:38 *** Zeldan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T07:41:53 *** Areks has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T08:08:50 *** diskonnect has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T08:13:37 *** Accoun has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-18T08:16:53 *** Olmer has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T08:22:04 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T08:30:36 *** manzurmm has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-10-18T08:32:26 *** manzurmm has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T08:32:35 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-18T08:35:18 *** Olmer has quit IRC (Quit: Ухожу я от вас (xchat 2.4.5 или старше)) 2011-10-18T08:41:06 *** ig has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T08:41:36 *** diskonnect has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-18T08:46:08 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T08:51:26 *** diskonnect has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T09:10:32 *** rnkishi has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-18T09:12:42 *** Mgrin00 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T09:23:56 *** manzurmm has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-10-18T09:26:06 *** Mgrin00 has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-18T09:26:40 *** g0llum has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-10-18T09:58:17 *** JamesPotter has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T10:29:01 *** onensora has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-18T10:30:48 *** Larose has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T10:30:53 *** onensora has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T10:32:08 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-18T10:35:18 *** medrimonia has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T10:35:28 Hi everyone 2011-10-18T10:35:52 *** Larose has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-18T10:36:13 *** Larose has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T10:46:14 *** dk_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T10:48:50 *** dx602 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T10:52:38 *** dk_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-18T11:03:01 *** Areks has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-18T11:03:25 *** onensora has quit IRC () 2011-10-18T11:13:23 *** dx602 has left #aichallenge 2011-10-18T11:15:09 http://aichallenge.org/index.php ???? 2011-10-18T11:16:56 Accoun: what's wrong? 2011-10-18T11:17:05 *** fsfgdgf has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T11:17:09 1 2011-10-18T11:17:38 *** fsfgdgf has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-18T11:23:23 known date of lanch? 2011-10-18T11:25:03 Accoun: soon, there is no exact date 2011-10-18T11:28:11 *** boegel has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2011-10-18T11:32:06 it secret or not planed? 2011-10-18T11:33:12 *** jfhs has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T11:34:18 hi 2011-10-18T11:34:54 !tsp 2011-10-18T11:35:00 !tcp 2011-10-18T11:36:08 i wrote bot, but it takes so much time for it to play some games 2011-10-18T11:36:27 about 2 hours to play one game 2011-10-18T11:36:42 now it says me 2011-10-18T11:36:43 86 players are ahead. 2011-10-18T11:36:43 The current game rate is about 3.9 players per minute. 2011-10-18T11:36:43 Next game should be within 59.3 minutes. 2011-10-18T11:37:07 so..86/3.9 ~ 22 min 2011-10-18T11:37:24 but the time he gives me is ~3 times greater 2011-10-18T11:37:25 why? 2011-10-18T11:41:19 Accoun: https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/issues?milestone=3&state=open 2011-10-18T11:42:43 Accoun: 2 days left till release date 2011-10-18T11:43:39 *** xathis has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T11:47:21 *** addfs has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T11:53:55 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T11:53:55 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-10-18T11:54:16 What method returns the position of the ant? php 2011-10-18T11:55:18 Sorry. not careful. 2011-10-18T11:55:50 mleise> 2 days left till lanch date? 2011-10-18T11:56:38 mleise: where do you see that? 2011-10-18T11:56:47 i see "No due date" 2011-10-18T11:57:41 the green bar to the left has only very little gray left :) 2011-10-18T11:58:25 oh that's the number of open issues represented there, never mind 2011-10-18T11:58:43 :D 2011-10-18T11:58:49 now you confused Accoun 2011-10-18T11:59:51 Anyway on the mailing list we discussed the launch and it was set to Thursday this week, honestly. 2011-10-18T12:00:36 If it wasn't made more public, it is probably because we often had to change the launch date again and again. 2011-10-18T12:00:42 for the record, its is Tuesday today 2011-10-18T12:00:53 -s 2011-10-18T12:01:16 im just saying, so Accoun dont get confused 2011-10-18T12:01:28 doesnt get* 2011-10-18T12:01:30 don't you know some russian perhaps 2011-10-18T12:01:53 dasvidane 2011-10-18T12:01:58 xD 2011-10-18T12:02:20 google say ok to sponser it? 2011-10-18T12:02:27 Accoun: yes! 2011-10-18T12:02:28 yes 2011-10-18T12:03:01 for how long contest will run? 2011-10-18T12:03:12 I mean: да 2011-10-18T12:03:27 is tcp server? 2011-10-18T12:03:41 Accoun: no working tcp server 2011-10-18T12:03:48 нет 2011-10-18T12:04:21 HeT is no? 2011-10-18T12:04:34 да 2011-10-18T12:04:40 omg:) 2011-10-18T12:04:40 map generator part of rules? 2011-10-18T12:05:03 = u all stuped invalides 2011-10-18T12:05:34 Accoun: You live in Russia and don't use UTF-8 IRC chat ?!? 2011-10-18T12:05:53 KOI8 lern it 2011-10-18T12:06:09 no, and I wont buy your cars either! 2011-10-18T12:06:30 map generator part of rules? 2011-10-18T12:06:36 All trolls from Russia)) 2011-10-18T12:06:41 Accoun: nope 2011-10-18T12:07:00 haha 2011-10-18T12:07:08 did he say we are stupid invalides? 2011-10-18T12:07:13 wth is that? 2011-10-18T12:07:19 russian cars only fo rusian 2011-10-18T12:07:45 it make for cleanap europe after nuclear strike 2011-10-18T12:08:14 *** ChrisH_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T12:08:22 Accoun change you charset to utf-8 and speaking to Russian. 2011-10-18T12:08:24 not for holidey shoping 2011-10-18T12:08:54 i cat read utf-8 ok with this client 2011-10-18T12:09:06 your cat reads utf-8? 2011-10-18T12:09:07 i can read utf-8 ok with this client 2011-10-18T12:09:07 да ? 2011-10-18T12:09:10 yes 2011-10-18T12:09:20 not for all spoping. Only for farm. 2011-10-18T12:09:44 Accoun: how's the uranium supplies? 2011-10-18T12:09:59 but wait... you say that you can read utf-8, why do you need a client? 2011-10-18T12:10:27 Accoun is a business man, he has many clients 2011-10-18T12:10:38 кукиш с маслом! 2011-10-18T12:10:41 mcstar: hi mcstar! :) 2011-10-18T12:10:52 did you see my video? 2011-10-18T12:11:05 @launchvideo 2011-10-18T12:11:06 amstan: launchvideo could be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGijmGbQxWM. 2011-10-18T12:11:07 hi, nice voice, but im dying to find out if blue or green won 2011-10-18T12:11:19 link to replay in description 2011-10-18T12:11:22 mcstar: green lost, blue was approaching it 2011-10-18T12:11:35 it was a joke/rhetorical question 2011-10-18T12:11:41 but thx 2011-10-18T12:11:44 green/blue is headache inducing 2011-10-18T12:11:49 haha 2011-10-18T12:12:03 put them next to each other and WHAM -- instaheadache 2011-10-18T12:12:26 О, делимся видео. 2011-10-18T12:12:48 cyrill characters have a similar effect on me 2011-10-18T12:13:37 where is kiling code in https://github.com/aichallenge/ ? 2011-10-18T12:14:03 use your utf-8 decoder to find it 2011-10-18T12:14:11 http://www.youtube.com/TheDeliriumMan this is Russian summer holyday. 2011-10-18T12:14:13 well.. we wouldn't want the ants to be killed to death 2011-10-18T12:14:29 killed to death -- the worst way to go. 2011-10-18T12:14:38 haha 2011-10-18T12:15:00 even resurrection is impossible when you are killed to death 2011-10-18T12:15:06 1822 lines in on file OMG 2011-10-18T12:15:21 *** ChrisH_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-18T12:15:38 Accoun: In western countries we have computers with more than 64kb ram 2011-10-18T12:15:56 mleise: I myself have 128kb of ram. quite. 2011-10-18T12:15:58 it not mean 2011-10-18T12:16:05 yes, our machines can read into memory whole source files at once 2011-10-18T12:16:24 and just in time compile then 2011-10-18T12:16:27 them* 2011-10-18T12:16:28 it's not just something you can dump something on 2011-10-18T12:16:28 all chips less than 128 NM cant worc in radiation 2011-10-18T12:16:42 oh man.. all those cosmic rays 2011-10-18T12:16:59 Accoun: so there's this question i was meaning to ask you for a while 2011-10-18T12:17:02 Lol, if you prefer to work in nuclear contaminated environments, ok 2011-10-18T12:17:05 Accoun: are you a professional russian? 2011-10-18T12:17:23 *** AlliedEnvy_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T12:17:25 he forgot bears 2011-10-18T12:17:35 so he isn't 2011-10-18T12:17:36 *** AlliedEnvy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2011-10-18T12:17:37 yes, Accoun do you work russian? 2011-10-18T12:18:03 Accoun -- PRus. 2011-10-18T12:18:04 im reath and dont need to worck 2011-10-18T12:18:20 nice spelling 2011-10-18T12:18:22 (it's like PEng, but better!) 2011-10-18T12:18:25 he is wrath? 2011-10-18T12:18:30 wraith? 2011-10-18T12:18:34 oh wraith 2011-10-18T12:18:38 im afraid now 2011-10-18T12:18:40 bath? 2011-10-18T12:18:58 ghast? 2011-10-18T12:19:00 yes, wraith can survive nuclear winters 2011-10-18T12:19:01 mcstar: now we know why the ancients left earth, accoun was stealing their souls 2011-10-18T12:19:23 Accoun: are you a wraith queen? 2011-10-18T12:19:26 * aarossig is an ancient 2011-10-18T12:20:30 u have ifernse betwin https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/blob/epsilon/ants/ants.py def do_attack_focus(self): and http://aichallenge.org/specification_battle.php 2011-10-18T12:20:38 u have difernce betwin https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/blob/epsilon/ants/ants.py def do_attack_focus(self): and http://aichallenge.org/specification_battle.php 2011-10-18T12:21:09 Accoun: you will have to submit a clear issue on it then 2011-10-18T12:21:17 Accoun: and then talk to antimatroid and mcleopold 2011-10-18T12:22:01 a dont need it 2011-10-18T12:22:26 so then what was the point of you saying that? 2011-10-18T12:22:32 Accoun: is there a semantic difference? 2011-10-18T12:23:04 wrong coment in pithon code 2011-10-18T12:23:06 Accoun is a semantic difference. 2011-10-18T12:23:21 :p 2011-10-18T12:23:21 # determine the most focused nearby enemy and # determine the most powerful nearby enemy 2011-10-18T12:23:24 3.14159thon 2011-10-18T12:24:03 *** Areks has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T12:26:46 *** Blkt has quit IRC (Quit: going home) 2011-10-18T12:29:52 Accoun: that is a serious issue you found, i guess you have to rewrite the engine, are you up for the job? 2011-10-18T12:30:19 not 2011-10-18T12:30:57 do you really want to disappoint several thousand people? 2011-10-18T12:31:34 i hate you, Accoun 2011-10-18T12:32:22 rabidus: easy there, he has nuclear warheads 2011-10-18T12:32:36 just making some shitstorm 2011-10-18T12:32:54 boring down here 2011-10-18T12:33:10 you kidding? the best 15 minutes ever 2011-10-18T12:34:45 Is this always valid? From the website: "Food will also block an ants movement. This can happen if food spawns next to an ant. Don't move the ant and it will be gathered the next turn." 2011-10-18T12:37:26 what do you mean "always"? 2011-10-18T12:37:34 the circumstances are listed 2011-10-18T12:38:15 you cant approach a food-tile without "eating" it 2011-10-18T12:38:30 I mean, is this still valid? An ant can be blocked by a spawing food 2011-10-18T12:38:30 you can only get next to it, when it is spawned there 2011-10-18T12:38:51 the question is, does the engine spawn food next to ants 2011-10-18T12:39:03 if it does, than i think it can happen 2011-10-18T12:39:36 On a completely different note, I think I can add a feature to the visualizer that allows us to recreate bot input from the replay. 2011-10-18T12:41:13 I haven't looked at the details yet. It may be that it will lack some information. 2011-10-18T12:43:09 mleise: feature that does it in real time? or just dump the whole output? 2011-10-18T12:46:49 amstan: not sure what you mean. I imagine this being a button in the visualizer. When you click on it either the current turn or the whole replay is instantly rewritten to what the engine has sent to the bot when the game was played. 2011-10-18T12:47:00 ic, ok 2011-10-18T12:47:01 This should help a lot with debugging. 2011-10-18T12:47:10 yeah, that's what i meant by realtime: current turn 2011-10-18T12:47:12 I think U need add a feature to the visualizer that allows us to recreate bot input from the replay. 2011-10-18T12:47:42 Accoun: I think you need to read! 2011-10-18T12:47:43 good idea 2011-10-18T12:47:49 Accoun: yes, that's what he said 2011-10-18T12:48:23 last coctesnt i write "allows us to recreate bot input from the replay" by self 2011-10-18T12:48:41 cockfest? 2011-10-18T12:48:50 Accoun: yes, but the contest is not about making tools, it's about making the bot 2011-10-18T12:48:52 im not read all lines in this caht 2011-10-18T12:48:55 im not read all lines in this chat 2011-10-18T12:49:02 Oh. My idle bot very nice)) 2011-10-18T12:49:39 trols is miracle thing in some peoples head 2011-10-18T12:49:43 Accoun: anyway, you can download the replay file and transform it to your liking, for a rich russka guy that is nothing 2011-10-18T12:50:46 i plan to win tcp contest if it will bw meked and ignore this canadian staf 2011-10-18T12:53:52 Accoun: so like, i'm the only canadian here afaik 2011-10-18T12:54:23 alexandru? thats not a canadian name 2011-10-18T12:54:35 romanian-canadian 2011-10-18T12:54:40 yes ^ 2011-10-18T12:54:44 i know 2011-10-18T12:55:01 i just dont know if you were born there, or moved there? 2011-10-18T12:55:19 i was born in romania, live in canada 2011-10-18T12:55:33 i was born in Oradea 2011-10-18T12:55:49 oh 2011-10-18T12:56:02 and you know romanian? 2011-10-18T12:56:12 max 5 words 2011-10-18T12:56:14 my little pony - frendship is magic 2011-10-18T12:57:00 Accoun: can you introduce me to your little pony? 2011-10-18T13:02:24 *** xathis_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T13:04:59 *** xathis has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-10-18T13:05:02 *** dvladim has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T13:05:20 *** McLeopold has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T13:05:55 *** JamesPotter has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-18T13:07:11 amstan: how do I modify the java Makefile to create a jar? 2011-10-18T13:07:29 McLeopold: which java makefile? 2011-10-18T13:07:33 McLeopold: if you mean ant idk 2011-10-18T13:07:36 in the starter pack 2011-10-18T13:07:42 not ant 2011-10-18T13:08:24 now sure how jars work, right now i'm just compiling all *.java to *.class 2011-10-18T13:08:32 and the contest runs mybot.class somehow 2011-10-18T13:08:45 to be a jar you would need to add all classes together 2011-10-18T13:08:51 jar cvfm MyBot.jar Manifest.txt *.class 2011-10-18T13:08:59 I just don't understand makefiles to put in a target 2011-10-18T13:09:10 McLeopold: oh.. 2011-10-18T13:09:17 can i just add that? 2011-10-18T13:09:21 sure 2011-10-18T13:10:00 aichallenge: Alexandru Stan * ra3e7b03 / ants/dist/starter_bots/java/Makefile : Made java makefile to output jars. - http://git.io/vgpp0A 2011-10-18T13:10:01 McLeopold: can you try it? 2011-10-18T13:10:06 ok 2011-10-18T13:10:44 aichallenge: Alexandru Stan * re4ea109 / ants/dist/starter_bots/java/Makefile : Added clean for jar - http://git.io/LFD0gA 2011-10-18T13:10:58 built in github editor is nice 2011-10-18T13:11:05 doesn't that remove the jar right after you make it? 2011-10-18T13:11:05 but i just have a feeling it won't work anymore 2011-10-18T13:11:06 lol 2011-10-18T13:11:16 no 2011-10-18T13:11:27 clean is another target 2011-10-18T13:11:30 that all doesn't care about 2011-10-18T13:11:35 but all does make and clean 2011-10-18T13:11:51 a loot of random 2011-10-18T13:11:52 nope 2011-10-18T13:12:07 anyway 2011-10-18T13:12:09 g2g 2011-10-18T13:12:12 cya 2011-10-18T13:12:38 is test_bot.sh supposed to work? 2011-10-18T13:13:06 oh and it does. heh 2011-10-18T13:13:12 you need to give it an arguent 2011-10-18T13:13:17 m 2011-10-18T13:13:17 i just noticed 2011-10-18T13:13:39 no reson to play it if map generator not part of rules 2011-10-18T13:14:05 Accoun: lol, thats the funnies of all your comments 2011-10-18T13:14:11 any can win if have power to make map set 2011-10-18T13:14:32 I guess you should make a map generator then... 2011-10-18T13:16:27 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-10-18T13:16:43 this canadian dot want to make map generator is of rules 2011-10-18T13:17:01 read log of this chat, he say it before 2011-10-18T13:17:44 Accoun: we do have some map specifications, read at the end of the spec page here: http://aichallenge.org/specification.php#Map-Format 2011-10-18T13:18:15 The important ones are 3x3 traversable, no islands and hills distances 2011-10-18T13:18:48 That should give you a good handle on effecient path finding and blocking 2011-10-18T13:18:53 accoun has a point, though. at the upper echelons of the ranks, the particular map generator will favor some bots over others where they would be equally matched on an empty map 2011-10-18T13:19:02 *** zyberkiddy has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T13:19:06 so if the types of maps is known, one can optimize for that 2011-10-18T13:19:28 it no enough 2011-10-18T13:19:36 no reson to play it if map generator not part of rules 2011-10-18T13:19:55 and map generation procedure 2011-10-18T13:21:34 mower to meke map set is like map hack in Star Craft 2011-10-18T13:21:42 power to make map set is like map hack in Star Craft 2011-10-18T13:21:47 a1k0n: the map specs should be open enough that no 1 strategy can dominate 2011-10-18T13:22:07 and, since we will be open to new map generators, the dominate strategies may shift 2011-10-18T13:22:19 it no enough 2011-10-18T13:23:03 I consider it part of the problem spec that you should shift strategies based on the map type as you discover it 2011-10-18T13:23:14 the dominate strategies may shift by some peples power 2011-10-18T13:23:24 yep 2011-10-18T13:23:28 so what? 2011-10-18T13:23:37 so no reson to play it if map generator not part of rules 2011-10-18T13:23:44 so don't play 2011-10-18T13:23:47 lusing time 2011-10-18T13:23:47 that works 2011-10-18T13:24:03 i plan to win tcp contest if it will bw meked and ignore this canadian staf 2011-10-18T13:24:18 but the tcp contest is even less-specified 2011-10-18T13:24:28 who knows what maps will be on there 2011-10-18T13:24:30 the tcp is not part of the contest --is just for testing 2011-10-18T13:24:49 and the server admin can enter and its really easy to hack it 2011-10-18T13:25:07 Accoun: the organizers are from Canada, USA, Austrialia and Germany, and maybe other countries as well. 2011-10-18T13:25:15 last tch contester be very good 2011-10-18T13:25:21 last tcp contester be very good 2011-10-18T13:26:00 he use big random map set from published map generator 2011-10-18T13:26:50 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T13:26:50 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-10-18T13:28:09 if you a 100% everything specified totaly fixed never ever anything changing game, why not enter one of the many go competitions? 2011-10-18T13:28:16 if you want 2011-10-18T13:29:25 *** morganb has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T13:31:09 i have an ambivalent feeling, like some people think Accoun want a static map generator, others think he want a changing one 2011-10-18T13:33:00 he's just bitter about the tron contest where the map generator changed between the open submission period and the final tournament 2011-10-18T13:33:32 and it was specified in advance that it would change, but not what it would change to 2011-10-18T13:34:48 use some of contestant soursec-> meke some changes -> generate wining map -> wow u won! 2011-10-18T13:35:21 aichallenge: McLeopold * r860cb76 / website/css/layout.css : add toc style - http://git.io/Y8SH0A 2011-10-18T13:36:09 are you suggesting the maps were rigged intentionally? 2011-10-18T13:36:35 i'd be amazed if that were possible 2011-10-18T13:36:47 map set or map generation procedure mast be part of rules 2011-10-18T13:41:05 delt0r: can I ask stupid java questions? 2011-10-18T13:41:13 a1k0n: of course it was rigged, we solved a np complete problem to make certain bots win by just changing the map 2011-10-18T13:42:07 *** areece has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T13:42:29 well, those are usually easy to solve with counting 2011-10-18T13:44:01 btw, if anyone is mathematically inclined, i recently came to know this problem: 2011-10-18T13:44:06 Collatz conjecture 2011-10-18T13:44:23 just look it up, soo simple and beautiful, yet unsolved 2011-10-18T13:46:09 *** anthony has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T13:46:12 mcstar: jeff wrote a blog post about that 2011-10-18T13:46:13 check it out 2011-10-18T13:46:32 *** anthony is now known as Guest42089 2011-10-18T13:46:44 http://jpcameron.com/blog/?p=47 2011-10-18T13:46:47 reall? where 2011-10-18T13:46:52 moot 2011-10-18T13:46:55 *** Palmik has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T13:46:57 i like how jeff hasn't updated his blog since he went to toronto 2011-10-18T13:47:07 hey guys. do i need to install python to use tools? 2011-10-18T13:47:11 Guest42089: yes 2011-10-18T13:47:36 why nothing said in the tools webpage? 2011-10-18T13:47:50 good question 2011-10-18T13:47:58 amstan: im teaching a friend of mine(mathematician) programming c++, and he told me about it, it was the first "serious" c++ program he wrote 2011-10-18T13:48:13 sometimes us developers get too converned stuff 2011-10-18T13:48:28 and the fact that linux and macs come with python preinstalled 2011-10-18T13:49:27 its strange, but thanks anyway 2011-10-18T13:49:48 thought google cant miss anything 2011-10-18T13:50:04 we're just google sponsored 2011-10-18T13:50:33 yea but its not the first contest according to forum 2011-10-18T13:50:40 *** ibdknox_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T13:50:44 *** ChrisH_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T13:51:07 should be more clear 2011-10-18T13:52:15 http://aichallenge.org/starting_your_own.php 2011-10-18T13:52:24 amstan: you really need to update this page 2011-10-18T13:54:32 *** areece has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-18T13:54:42 *** amstan has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-18T13:55:14 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T13:55:14 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-10-18T13:59:21 once the contest is open, how long does it last? can you submit updated algos? 2011-10-18T13:59:55 nomad_man: yes, while the submissions are open, games are continously run 2011-10-18T14:00:02 McLeopold: Have you seen how skewed some of the game rates are at present? I see a range of 7 to 96 for submissions at least 24 hours old. 2011-10-18T14:00:03 and rankings are at most 2 minutes old 2011-10-18T14:00:12 at one point we close them, and just run games 2011-10-18T14:00:15 that's the final rankings 2011-10-18T14:00:19 amstan: how long does it run for? (contest) 2011-10-18T14:00:30 about 2 months 2011-10-18T14:00:32 amstan: but if you resubmit the algorithm, your rankings is reset to 0 2011-10-18T14:00:38 yes 2011-10-18T14:00:55 what are you using for rankings ELO? 2011-10-18T14:01:07 https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/issues/128 2011-10-18T14:02:31 nomad_man: I'm pretty sure they use TrueSkill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrueSkill) 2011-10-18T14:02:40 nomad_man: or a close approximation 2011-10-18T14:03:07 where can i get PlayGame.jar? It doesnt come with starter package neither tools 2011-10-18T14:03:26 ChrisH_: coool, very nice didn't know about TrueSkill, thanks 2011-10-18T14:03:37 amstan: thanks for doing all the work guys, it looks awesome. 2011-10-18T14:03:53 nomad_man: you can help too 2011-10-18T14:03:55 *** zyberkiddy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-18T14:04:09 Guest42089: that's out of date info, sorry about that 2011-10-18T14:04:18 amstan: hrm not sure if you will want my code, since i haven't touched development in last 3 years :) 2011-10-18T14:04:32 Guest42089: see http://aichallenge.org/using_the_tools.php instead 2011-10-18T14:04:53 *** ad3002 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-18T14:04:58 nomad_man: even fixing the content is helping 2011-10-18T14:05:17 is there a way to run my bot without installing python? 2011-10-18T14:05:42 Guest42089: directly on the website, but it will be a slow process 2011-10-18T14:05:49 Guest42089: you can also ssh in another comp that does have python 2011-10-18T14:05:58 amstan: remote dev is a pain :) 2011-10-18T14:06:08 or you can build your own engine, in a language that you like better than python 2011-10-18T14:06:21 but you might want to install python to run the engine to compare against 2011-10-18T14:06:24 thank god i had python installed on this windows box 2011-10-18T14:06:25 The current rankings page is currently screwed up. 2011-10-18T14:06:51 ChrisH_: how so? 2011-10-18T14:07:23 It wasn't showing all the entries. It seems to be fixed now though. 2011-10-18T14:07:50 i know c++ and java but i dont know how to run visualizer to test my bot now 2011-10-18T14:08:18 Guest42089: the visualizer takes in replay files 2011-10-18T14:08:49 i mean to watch bots fighting 2011-10-18T14:09:25 With all the new submissions over the last couple of days the game rate has really dropped. Four hours between games is painful. 2011-10-18T14:10:46 *** g0llum has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T14:10:58 ChrisH_: uh oh, you've been spoiled 2011-10-18T14:11:41 janzert: yes.. i've been meaning to talk to you 2011-10-18T14:11:42 janzert: Or there is a problem with the matchu system, why for example does sxyuan get 97 matches in 24 hours? 2011-10-18T14:11:58 janzert: aarossig is working at a company to replace their desktop comps 2011-10-18T14:12:08 they're 1.6ghz core2duos at 64bit 2011-10-18T14:12:10 ChrisH_: yeah, I think there are still problems in the pairing 2011-10-18T14:12:11 like 10 of them 2011-10-18T14:12:16 he was wondering if we could use them as workers 2011-10-18T14:13:04 amstan: certainly not mixed with ec2 workers and overall I'd rather not at this stage 2011-10-18T14:13:07 well.. wtf? 300 new users in the last 24 hours? 2011-10-18T14:13:43 it's a whole new environment to change to 2011-10-18T14:13:54 janzert: It would seem so 2011-10-18T14:13:57 it is tempting though :} 2011-10-18T14:14:21 ChrisH_: be sure to mention it to McLeopold if you see him 2011-10-18T14:14:33 janzert: what are you concerned about? deployment? 2011-10-18T14:14:36 janzert: or cpu differences? 2011-10-18T14:14:40 janzert: I did upstream. 2011-10-18T14:14:48 deployment and running 2011-10-18T14:14:58 gotta go for a while 2011-10-18T14:15:13 janzert: i can teach aarosig how to admin them, and i can do it myself too 2011-10-18T14:17:52 @later tell McLeopold The pairing system is struggling to keep the game rates at similar levels. There are currently a few submissions getting nearly 100 games/day and others that are getting as few as 7 games/day. Also the high rate of resubmission (which jump to the front of the queue) seems to be nearly starving the rest of the queue. 2011-10-18T14:17:52 ChrisH_: Yes master! 2011-10-18T14:17:59 *** onensora has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T14:19:13 *** ChrisH_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-18T14:19:38 *** Guest42089 has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-18T14:28:44 whoa, the matchup generator is seriously slow, I think I'm missing some indexes... 2011-10-18T14:29:22 woot, mcleopold is here to save us \o/ 2011-10-18T14:29:37 i have a feeling someone posted about the launch somewhere 2011-10-18T14:30:08 google indexes the channel logs 2011-10-18T14:30:25 i mean more like a blog 2011-10-18T14:30:33 lets see 2011-10-18T14:30:35 i don't think most of the people found it with google from the logs 2011-10-18T14:31:41 Google AI Challenge 2001: ants 2011-10-18T14:32:04 a forum post somewhere 2011-10-18T14:32:11 10 years ago, same idea 2011-10-18T14:32:13 hm 2011-10-18T14:32:47 ai-class is topic on #lisp 2011-10-18T14:33:32 amstan: that reminds me we should get google analytics set up before the launch 2011-10-18T14:33:40 oh yes 2011-10-18T14:33:45 k, i need a list 2011-10-18T14:33:49 haha i found the site that lead me first here! 2011-10-18T14:34:01 http://www.r-bloggers.com/google-ai-challenge-languages-used-by-the-best-programmers/ 2011-10-18T14:34:09 i found these graphs very informative 2011-10-18T14:34:10 preferably in a way that the analytics code doesn't need to be checked into git 2011-10-18T14:34:48 janzert: we can use serverinfo.php or w/e 2011-10-18T14:35:20 I thought the latest analytics code is suppose to live in the ? 2011-10-18T14:35:55 janzert: yes, we can get some php to put the code in the proper javascript section in head 2011-10-18T14:36:32 yeah, it'll just need another point that will pull in an external file 2011-10-18T14:38:42 *** ChrisH_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T14:39:06 janzert: i submitted a bunch of issues 2011-10-18T14:41:22 McLeopold: The matchup generator is teasing me. Everytime I get down to 10 players ahead of me it jumps back up to 12 (I assume because of new submissions). 2011-10-18T14:41:22 janzert: as a launch checklist 2011-10-18T14:41:34 ok :) 2011-10-18T14:41:40 McLeopold: This time it jumped to 20. grrr. 2011-10-18T14:41:57 ChrisH_: resubmissions do not get bumped to the start of the line 2011-10-18T14:42:10 first time user submission basically do though 2011-10-18T14:42:35 janzert: Really, that's not the externally observable behavior. 2011-10-18T14:42:51 so the influx of new users would cause that behavior 2011-10-18T14:42:57 janzert: Each time I make a new submission it gets a game within minutes of being compiled. 2011-10-18T14:43:43 it would tend to get picked up as an opponent 2011-10-18T14:44:07 but not front of the line as a seed 2011-10-18T14:44:18 Ok. 2011-10-18T14:44:29 which is what people in front of you is looking at 2011-10-18T14:44:56 janzert: we should round that number 2011-10-18T14:45:08 janzert: since we can't guarantee it's accurate, rigth? 2011-10-18T14:45:13 I don't much like the way that number is calculated at all 2011-10-18T14:45:26 So why wouldn't a submission with only four games (like mine) get picked up like that too? 2011-10-18T14:45:32 I think it tries to get fancy and just makes a mess of it 2011-10-18T14:46:25 ChrisH_: I believe it should a little more often, but that very first game will be a large push 2011-10-18T14:46:46 It is really frustrating to see sxyuan, summerte, melanye, and mattfedd get game after game, and other get nothing for hours. 2011-10-18T14:46:52 why do we have 974 users? 2011-10-18T14:47:02 McLeopold: good question 2011-10-18T14:47:03 janzert: can we close signups until launch? 2011-10-18T14:47:14 we've been getting a big influx the last few days 2011-10-18T14:47:22 *** Microfed has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T14:47:33 i can get analytics going today, then we can see 2011-10-18T14:47:39 I'd be fine with closing registration till launch 2011-10-18T14:47:44 okay 2011-10-18T14:47:47 anyway, i have a lab test, then i'm going home to work on this 2011-10-18T14:48:11 janzert: How many workers are planned for after launch? Part of the problem is that with only one worker it just can't keep up with the current rate of new submissions. 2011-10-18T14:48:20 with so many new submissions, it looks like the 24 hour game count is around zero for everyone? 2011-10-18T14:48:30 ChrisH_: undecided, but more ;) 2011-10-18T14:48:36 janzert: :) 2011-10-18T14:48:54 so how come we have 1/5th of the users from the last contest before it even got launched? 2011-10-18T14:49:16 McLeopold: it's all over the place, 100 for (67th) melanye 2011-10-18T14:49:37 there's got to be a calculation error... 2011-10-18T14:50:03 I noticed it varying a bit before the current influx, but the new influx has really exacerbated it 2011-10-18T14:52:19 anyone plan make TCP server? for this http://aichallenge.org/index.php 2011-10-18T14:52:42 Accoun: berak has written one 2011-10-18T14:53:01 will be setup? 2011-10-18T14:53:33 janzert: It does look like a calc error... 2011-10-18T14:53:42 *** medrimonia has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-18T14:53:58 Accoun: I don't know. Do you want to set up a TCP server? 2011-10-18T14:54:07 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-10-18T14:54:12 mleise> i can 2011-10-18T14:54:50 Accoun: see, the source code is here: https://github.com/berak/ants-tcp 2011-10-18T14:55:20 But first ask berak, if it is secure. 2011-10-18T14:57:54 he plan to setup it? 2011-10-18T14:59:16 Accoun: I don't think he is rich and can set up a server. 2011-10-18T14:59:49 You need a good internet connection for it. 2011-10-18T15:00:50 best is to have rented server 2011-10-18T15:02:59 it open licensed cose use ozer open licensed code 2011-10-18T15:05:19 *** Abrackadabra has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T15:05:30 hello everyone 2011-10-18T15:07:01 why the server is so slow nowadays? a week ago games were much more often 2011-10-18T15:09:41 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T15:10:13 fan game byt stuped rules 2011-10-18T15:11:05 why stupid? 2011-10-18T15:11:10 why not most big ant nation? why stuped "scores" 2011-10-18T15:11:11 janzert/amstan: get ready to laugh your ass off... 2011-10-18T15:11:20 *** nikis has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T15:11:33 aichallenge: McLeopold * r78c9f00 / (sql/2_generate_matchup.sql sql/opponent.sql): fix matchmaker total game count for users - http://git.io/upBhww 2011-10-18T15:11:37 and -1 for luse and 2 wor capture 2011-10-18T15:11:50 why not same scores? 2011-10-18T15:12:02 *** TTE has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T15:12:28 best bot can luse if some baggy enemes luse an capture same hill 2011-10-18T15:12:37 best bot can luse if some baggy enemes luse and capture same hill 2011-10-18T15:13:23 Accoun: you need to stop talking about conspiracy theories and trashing the game 2011-10-18T15:14:21 why google sponsor it? 2011-10-18T15:14:29 it terreble 2011-10-18T15:14:53 Accoun, are you that guy, that wants to marry a lot? 2011-10-18T15:15:14 is any girls for me? 2011-10-18T15:15:30 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o McLeopold 2011-10-18T15:15:38 Accoun: last warning 2011-10-18T15:16:15 no 2011-10-18T15:16:54 do you really think you can find anyone by posting a link to youtube video in your planetwars profile? 2011-10-18T15:18:56 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T15:19:05 well, that was easy 2011-10-18T15:19:17 problem is that i can't leave till the hour is up 2011-10-18T15:19:23 * rabidus takes some popcorn 2011-10-18T15:19:31 *** TTE has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-18T15:19:48 *** dvladim has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-18T15:19:59 amstan: what kind of test? 2011-10-18T15:20:04 I understand that there are many reasons why the game scoring the way it is, but it is interesting that in a three player game, the last bot with a remaining hill loses if the other two bots raze each other's hills. It seems counterintuitive. 2011-10-18T15:20:29 ChrisH_: we want to reward bots that attempt to make progress 2011-10-18T15:20:42 McLeopold: design a counter that can count up and down 0,2,4,6 2011-10-18T15:20:46 digital logic 2011-10-18T15:20:50 ah 2011-10-18T15:20:53 McLeopold: I totally understand. 2011-10-18T15:21:03 I hope you got 100% on ai-class homework 1 :) 2011-10-18T15:21:33 McLeopold: i did 2011-10-18T15:21:48 McLeopold: The engine seed in the JSON... I think it cannot be stored that way. 2011-10-18T15:21:58 McLeopold: It's just unfortunate that using a few resources (ants) on defense often ends up penalizing a bot because they weren't aggressize enough, even if they were making progress. 2011-10-18T15:22:23 All numbers in JavaScript are doubles, so there is not enough precision to store a 64-bit int :p 2011-10-18T15:22:44 ChrisH_: that assumes that one strategy should be considered "best" and any game mechinic that underminds it is a "penalty" 2011-10-18T15:23:06 mleise: you are right, we should limit it to something else 2011-10-18T15:23:28 mleise: but what's the problem, the idea of the seed is to make it deterministic 2011-10-18T15:23:30 McLeopold: true, but the flip side is that not using any ants for defense results in a lost hill and no chance of much progress. 2011-10-18T15:23:47 mleise: isn't converting 64bit ints to doubles deterministic? 2011-10-18T15:23:55 amstan: yes, you are right 2011-10-18T15:24:07 ChrisH_: you need a reactive strategy, only explore as far as you can come back for defense, look at what the other bots are doing 2011-10-18T15:24:34 mleise: the only problem i can see is different behavoir from implementations 2011-10-18T15:24:35 I was just blindly transferring all numbers from the json replay format to the bot input. 2011-10-18T15:24:44 also, if you keep a constant flow in the hive, you get a lot of ants right at the hill for defense 2011-10-18T15:24:48 McLeopold: I'm not saying this is hurting me. I have actually benefitted from it many times. Just making a neutral observation. 2011-10-18T15:25:24 McLeopold: I know that as well. Although that is impossible on low food maps. So it is not always a viable solution. 2011-10-18T15:26:00 which is the goal of the game, no constant winning strategies :) 2011-10-18T15:26:02 McLeopold: My bot's biggest weekness right now is a complete lack of combat tactics. But I still compete in the top 20. 2011-10-18T15:26:04 *** vxcvxcvx646546 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T15:26:33 I think that will be what wins the competition 2011-10-18T15:27:04 last year after I posted my bot, every seems to include resource funnelling to the frontier, then if you didn't have it, you couldn't compete 2011-10-18T15:27:12 McLeopold: I agree. I'm still thinking through the best way to include it in my code. I think my strategy is good, but still working on tactics. 2011-10-18T15:27:29 And the winners where the ones that solved other problems besides fast growth and funnelling 2011-10-18T15:28:02 yep, I finished #24 and the leap from ~200 to top 25 was dealing with close range starting planets correctly. 2011-10-18T15:28:03 I think in this competition, you need pathfinding to compete, and battle tactics to win. 2011-10-18T15:28:29 ouch, you beat me :(, what was your bot name again? 2011-10-18T15:28:33 ChrisH 2011-10-18T15:28:35 <_flag> McLeopold: I think one critism that you can make for the current rules is that they don't encourage consistent results. If I have to take a large risk to attack another bot, then it's easy for me to lose outright to a third bot who attacks me. This means there is no "safe" way to play 2011-10-18T15:28:55 <_flag> And even the best bots will lose odd games to inferior players 2011-10-18T15:29:28 so, no "safe" strategy leads to a fluctuating leaderboard? 2011-10-18T15:29:35 <_flag> Exactly 2011-10-18T15:29:36 I would add that in PW, allowing the other bot to spend ships conquering a neutral and then swooping in the next turn was a key differentiator as well. 2011-10-18T15:29:37 mleise: do you want a forum account rename? 2011-10-18T15:30:11 I agree _flag. It also means it will take a LOT of matches in the finals for things to stabilize. 2011-10-18T15:30:11 amstan: I woudn't mind, thank you 2011-10-18T15:30:54 mleise: http://ai-contest.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1233 2011-10-18T15:30:58 <_flag> But that's not necessarily a good thing. If it takes a thousand games to figure out who the best bots really are it may not be good for the contest 2011-10-18T15:31:22 amstan: that was quick 2011-10-18T15:31:27 McLeopold: aarossig is working at a place that's getting rid of some old comps 2011-10-18T15:31:27 I second what _flag just said. 2011-10-18T15:31:40 McLeopold: he'll have like 10 1.6Ghz 64 bit comps 2011-10-18T15:31:49 McLeopold: what's your toughts of using them for workers? 2011-10-18T15:31:52 gotta go 2011-10-18T15:31:56 hmm... 2011-10-18T15:31:56 *** ChrisH_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-18T15:32:08 are they all the same? 2011-10-18T15:32:19 McLeopold: yes, but they don't match ec2 2011-10-18T15:32:41 what's the memory? 2011-10-18T15:32:41 also, network connection will be limited, not sure how much the workers use 2011-10-18T15:32:44 it'll be a dsl line 2011-10-18T15:32:46 i think 2GB 2011-10-18T15:32:51 worker uses very little network 2011-10-18T15:33:02 ok, decent 2011-10-18T15:33:33 you could write a script to launch the worker to download and compile every submission without reporting results 2011-10-18T15:33:42 that would be a good first test 2011-10-18T15:34:12 McLeopold: first thing is if he should work toward getting those comps 2011-10-18T15:34:20 we need to make sure that bots get 500MB of memory, so that would limit the map size on those boxen 2011-10-18T15:34:21 he doesn't want so many if he doesn't have a use for them 2011-10-18T15:34:56 unless we just lower the amount to 250, but then we are wasting space on ec2 2011-10-18T15:35:09 are they upgradable? 2011-10-18T15:35:19 could we get them to 4GB? 2011-10-18T15:35:26 probably 2011-10-18T15:35:27 but that means cost 2011-10-18T15:35:43 but if it replaces 1 ec2 worker, it might be worth it 2011-10-18T15:35:50 yeah 2011-10-18T15:35:58 McLeopold: so i should tell them to work on them then? 2011-10-18T15:36:01 that's 600 for 2 months, memory is cheap these days 2011-10-18T15:36:34 the other issue would be that 500ms on an ec2 gets you more instructions than on those machines 2011-10-18T15:37:02 i spoke to janzert 2011-10-18T15:37:15 he said that he's more concerned about administering them, than cpu differences from ec2 2011-10-18T15:37:29 but i volunteer myself, and i'm sure aarosig can do stuff too 2011-10-18T15:37:39 I wouldn't worry about admin, the workers are very stable 2011-10-18T15:37:48 yeah, ok 2011-10-18T15:38:00 If they are all the same, and they can compile all the bots with no issues, then they are probably ok 2011-10-18T15:38:17 You just need to ensure power :) 2011-10-18T15:38:23 yes 2011-10-18T15:38:36 this would be a cool project 2011-10-18T15:38:42 can be reused too 2011-10-18T15:40:09 I would say we don't use them for finals, though 2011-10-18T15:40:17 ok 2011-10-18T15:40:52 Unless they are fast enough that they are all we need 2011-10-18T15:41:19 let me get exact quote 2011-10-18T15:42:57 "well, this office I am working in is decomissioning 8 dell vostro 200's. they are core2duo, around 2GHz. 2gb of ram. 8 identical machines" 2011-10-18T15:44:32 are our ec2 instances high-memory or high cpu? 2011-10-18T15:45:24 i'm not sure 2011-10-18T15:50:20 *** choas has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T15:51:45 amstan: m2.xlarge 2011-10-18T15:52:20 17.1 GB memory... 2011-10-18T15:52:27 lol 2011-10-18T15:52:37 we can run bots concurrently though 2011-10-18T15:52:39 anyway 2011-10-18T15:52:40 g2g 2011-10-18T15:52:42 cya 2011-10-18T15:52:44 *** amstan has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-18T15:52:45 bye 2011-10-18T15:54:30 *** onensora has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-18T15:55:05 *** vxcvxcvx646546 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-18T15:57:01 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2011-10-18T15:57:22 *** Microfed has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-18T16:00:20 *** onensora has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T16:06:27 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5) 2011-10-18T16:07:09 *** aeter has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T16:08:25 *** Abrackadabra has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-18T16:08:38 hi, submitting the coffeescript starter packege fails with "Did not find a recognized MyBot.* file.", although there is MyBot.coffee. Can I fix, or are coffeescript bots not permitted yet? 2011-10-18T16:08:56 http://aichallenge.org/profile.php?user=1022 2011-10-18T16:15:17 *** ChrisH_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T16:17:42 *** aeter1 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T16:17:57 *** aeter2 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T16:21:15 *** aeter has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-18T16:22:03 *** aeter1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2011-10-18T16:22:19 *** Mikustriker has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T16:22:25 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T16:23:02 Is there anyone here who knows about the code that generates the user profile pages? 2011-10-18T16:23:05 *** McLeopold has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2011-10-18T16:23:05 *** jnwhiteh has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2011-10-18T16:23:06 *** spacebat has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2011-10-18T16:23:15 *** itelichko has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T16:24:36 *** McLeopold has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T16:24:36 *** jnwhiteh has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T16:24:36 *** spacebat has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T16:24:36 *** gibson.freenode.net sets mode: +o McLeopold 2011-10-18T16:24:59 McLeopold: Do you know the code that generates the user profile pages? 2011-10-18T16:25:21 *** RenderMonkey has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T16:26:22 hello, i have been following the forum for a while now 2011-10-18T16:26:40 and seen posts saying that ants is going to be released soon a couple of times 2011-10-18T16:26:49 does anyone know whats going on? 2011-10-18T16:27:17 it's going to be officially launched Real Soon Now (tm) 2011-10-18T16:27:32 also people are spamming the forum 2011-10-18T16:27:35 http://ai-contest.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1400&start=10 2011-10-18T16:28:15 im sure there is a reason why its delayed 2011-10-18T16:28:20 does anyone have a link to the user docs for the IRC webclient used here? 2011-10-18T16:28:21 and thats its perfectly legit 2011-10-18T16:28:22 a1k0n: *great* 2011-10-18T16:28:25 its just nice to know 2011-10-18T16:28:26 a date 2011-10-18T16:28:28 or anything 2011-10-18T16:28:44 instead of just reading "next week" and "very soon" several times 2011-10-18T16:29:24 *** nomad_man has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-18T16:29:26 RenderMonkey: They have set a date a few times and not been able to go live for one reason or another, so now they are reluctant to promise anything. 2011-10-18T16:30:06 Lately they've been working on making sure Google will sponsor this year's contest (sounds like yes), and other important details. 2011-10-18T16:30:20 so the contest is not cancelled right ? 2011-10-18T16:30:27 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T16:30:27 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-10-18T16:30:28 it's definitely going to be by the end of next week. 2011-10-18T16:30:37 unless something goes horribly wrong. 2011-10-18T16:30:41 But as an outside observer it seems like they have fewer and fewer things like that holding them back. 2011-10-18T16:31:01 what's the policy on spam posts? delete them? 2011-10-18T16:31:09 i see someone already banned the user 2011-10-18T16:31:14 tracert to originator, murder 2011-10-18T16:31:16 Zannick: delete their account 2011-10-18T16:31:19 Zannick: or that 2011-10-18T16:31:28 if you can, if not, ban+delete 2011-10-18T16:31:38 my friend Slin, came 3rd place last contest 2011-10-18T16:31:47 RenderMonkey: i remember his name 2011-10-18T16:31:51 me and him are looking forward to try some ants bots 2011-10-18T16:32:00 amstan, he just finished his master thesis 2011-10-18T16:32:14 and now is an unemployeed engineer looking for a job ! :P 2011-10-18T16:32:20 RenderMonkey: well, good luck to both of you 2011-10-18T16:32:26 *** Palmik has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-18T16:32:42 i actually made a bet with him 2011-10-18T16:32:44 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-10-18T16:32:45 that i lost 2011-10-18T16:32:53 100 usd if he got top 5 2011-10-18T16:32:59 and the bastard made it 2011-10-18T16:33:03 heheh 2011-10-18T16:33:14 he was surprised himself :p 2011-10-18T16:33:15 i don't think i can delete accounts 2011-10-18T16:33:23 but i deleted all their posts by hand 2011-10-18T16:33:43 Zannick: if you're too lazy and they have a lot of posts, just tell me 2011-10-18T16:33:48 i can do it 2011-10-18T16:33:51 RenderMonkey: I remember Slin. He had a great bot. I had many games against it, and lost most of them. 2011-10-18T16:34:07 hehe ChrisH_ 2011-10-18T16:34:10 half into the contest 2011-10-18T16:34:14 had a had a major bug 2011-10-18T16:34:19 and he almost gave up 2011-10-18T16:34:22 working on it 2011-10-18T16:34:32 but i think the bet kept him alive :p 2011-10-18T16:35:05 https://github.com/berak/ants-tcp for Python 2.7.2 ? 2011-10-18T16:35:21 Accoun: why do you think we know? 2011-10-18T16:35:23 or Python 3.2.2 2011-10-18T16:35:30 RenderMonkey: Yeah. It became addictive. At first I thought, a top 400 finish would be good. Then when I got there, I wanted top 200. Then top 100.... ended up #24 and was surprised I did that well. 2011-10-18T16:35:37 Accoun: you best bet is to ask the author 2011-10-18T16:35:47 awesome ChrisH_ 2011-10-18T16:35:50 Accoun: but probably 2.7 2011-10-18T16:36:05 i didnt have time for the last contest 2011-10-18T16:36:10 Accoun: readme specifies: "a complete rewrite of the ants-tcp server (2.6 < python < 3)." 2011-10-18T16:36:16 but i hope i can enter ants 2011-10-18T16:36:23 its seems to be harder than planet wars tho 2011-10-18T16:36:29 RenderMonkey: Anyway, it will be great to have you and Slin around again this year. Great competition is what makes this fun. 2011-10-18T16:36:59 I think it is harder, especially with a 500ms/turn time limit. 2011-10-18T16:37:01 contest tools for Python 2.7.2 ? 2011-10-18T16:37:03 hehe slin will be a challenge for sure ChrisH_ but i dont think i will be much of a challenge 2011-10-18T16:37:17 This game is more compute intensive with all the path finding. 2011-10-18T16:37:17 im a last year under graduate student 2011-10-18T16:37:23 and we suck :p 2011-10-18T16:37:29 yea 2011-10-18T16:37:36 contest tools for Python 2.7.2 ? yes? 2011-10-18T16:38:41 RenderMonkey: You might be surprised. 2011-10-18T16:40:56 well in planet wars you could come up with some nice strategy 2011-10-18T16:41:16 that didnt necessarily rely on advance algorithms etc 2011-10-18T16:41:21 i think it will be harder in ants 2011-10-18T16:42:07 It is harder, but that doesn't mean strategy isn't part of the game. 2011-10-18T16:42:26 sure 2011-10-18T16:42:45 i think i had a better chance in planet wars tho :P 2011-10-18T16:42:54 but you never know 2011-10-18T16:43:07 i might get hooked on the contest 2011-10-18T16:43:17 *** aeter2 has left #aichallenge 2011-10-18T16:43:21 and to all sorts of "research" etc 2011-10-18T16:43:25 I think there are more tough decisions to make. The lack of perfect information adds a big challenge. 2011-10-18T16:44:25 janzert: ping 2011-10-18T16:44:52 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T16:44:57 yea 2011-10-18T16:45:39 ChrisH_ are you a uni student or ? 2011-10-18T16:45:40 *** diskonnect has quit IRC (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) 2011-10-18T16:46:39 RenderMonkey: No, I've been a professional software engineer for a long time. 2011-10-18T16:46:48 *** areece has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T16:46:53 k 2011-10-18T16:47:12 I had a few questions about Go and the challenge. 2011-10-18T16:47:16 RenderMonkey: Learned about the PW competition from a blog last year and got hooked. 2011-10-18T16:47:17 What version of Go is the server running? 2011-10-18T16:47:24 60.1 2011-10-18T16:47:29 The starter code doesn't compile on my machine :3 2011-10-18T16:47:29 hehe 2011-10-18T16:47:40 Let me check what version I'm on 2011-10-18T16:48:01 Also, in go it is often considered idiomatic to use multiple goroutines. 2011-10-18T16:48:12 However, the contest rules explicitily forbid multiple threads. 2011-10-18T16:48:17 *** ltriant has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T16:48:27 areece: I haven't tried multiple goroutines yet. 2011-10-18T16:48:49 Is it even allowed? 2011-10-18T16:49:05 However, since the competition uses the gc compilers, and they only use one thread by default (and multiplex the goroutines on that thread), it might work ok. 2011-10-18T16:49:19 I'm considering it, but so far haven't needed it. 2011-10-18T16:49:36 Ah, I have go 60.2 2011-10-18T16:49:47 The image stuff doesn't appear correct. 2011-10-18T16:50:52 areece: I wouldn't know about that. I didn't use the go starter kit, but I did help them fix the code that runs the compiler, so I'm a little familiar with how that works. 2011-10-18T16:51:19 So I just downloaded the starter code and couldn't compile it. 2011-10-18T16:51:41 The exact version reported on the website is: 6g version release.r60.1 9753+ 2011-10-18T16:52:02 But I'm also doing some development in Go, so not am synced to release tree. 2011-10-18T16:52:15 Ahhh 2011-10-18T16:52:41 I do more work in a VM just for working on ants. 2011-10-18T16:53:10 *** Palomides has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T16:53:15 Since go still has issues on Windows and that's what my main machine has. So I have ubuntu in a VM, and that makes it a lot easier. 2011-10-18T16:53:44 So there is a go version 60.3 out now. 2011-10-18T16:53:45 http://code.google.com/p/go/source/browse/.hgtags 2011-10-18T16:55:14 Anything interesting, or just bug fixes. 2011-10-18T16:55:51 Well 2011-10-18T16:56:01 It appears that the image API changed :P 2011-10-18T16:56:15 I dunno, I'd have to check. 2011-10-18T16:56:23 I'm still waiting for Go 1 ^.^ 2011-10-18T16:57:02 Description from golang-announce: We just tagged release.r60.3, a minor update to the r60 branch. It fixes a bug in the reflect package. 2011-10-18T16:57:54 areece: The image stuff in the starter kit is just there for debugging, so you could just delete that part. 2011-10-18T16:58:18 I debug with plain old fmt.Printf() statements myself. 2011-10-18T16:58:40 I wrote a logging package for mine 2011-10-18T16:58:51 github.com/awreece/golog 2011-10-18T16:58:58 Yeah, I did that too. :) 2011-10-18T16:59:00 Still unstable 2011-10-18T16:59:01 Yeah. 2011-10-18T16:59:22 *** RenderMonkey has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-18T16:59:33 anyways, I'd like to report that the go starter code doesn't compile 2011-10-18T16:59:48 areece: what is the compliation error? 2011-10-18T17:00:02 I also don't think it supports the hills, I haven't been able to add them yet 2011-10-18T17:01:03 areece: you should keep in mind that the way go gets compiled for the contest that you can't have multiple packages in your code, so you'll need to move your logging stuff in to the main package if you haven't already. 2011-10-18T17:01:30 you don't goinstall? 2011-10-18T17:03:12 http://pastebin.com/y8ingWB3 2011-10-18T17:03:17 only the packages that are part of the standard library and your main package are available. 2011-10-18T17:04:12 so all your *.go files get compiled with a single 6g call and the output is passed to 6l. 2011-10-18T17:04:27 wait, you don't respect the Makefile? 2011-10-18T17:05:03 none of the languages get that in the contest, they use very basic python code to run the compilers, no make, no ant, etc. 2011-10-18T17:05:16 int(self.db.retrieve("select id from games order by id desc limit 1;",())[0][0]) 2011-10-18T17:05:21 BTW, I just helped them fix a bug, I didn't write it. ;) 2011-10-18T17:05:39 ^ how to make no error if emty select result? 2011-10-18T17:06:16 makes me sad. Now I can't do automatic code generation, or testing, or ... 2011-10-18T17:06:47 areece: yeah 2011-10-18T17:06:56 Anyways: jnwhiteh, ChrisH_, http://pastebin.com/y8ingWB3 is my compilation error 2011-10-18T17:07:18 areece: you can just drop debugging.go from the Makefile and it will compile file 2011-10-18T17:07:21 fine 2011-10-18T17:07:29 I didn't implement any of the debugging stuff, so I'm not sure what its all about 2011-10-18T17:07:37 but running gofix on it should work fine =) 2011-10-18T17:07:50 *however* if you do that, it may differ from the server version 2011-10-18T17:08:00 you should try uploading the starter package first to see if it errors at all =) 2011-10-18T17:08:26 jnwhiteh: Yup, that worked 2011-10-18T17:08:43 I uploaded the starter package and it built just fine. 2011-10-18T17:08:49 then you have a version difference 2011-10-18T17:08:51 It doesn't build locally w/o gofix 2011-10-18T17:08:53 Yes. 2011-10-18T17:09:04 Solution: I use an old version of Go? 2011-10-18T17:09:08 yep =) 2011-10-18T17:09:11 :( 2011-10-18T17:09:20 you can have multiple go installations 2011-10-18T17:09:23 quite easily =) 2011-10-18T17:09:24 :'( 2011-10-18T17:09:37 areece: but, the version used in ants isn't going to change during the competition :) 2011-10-18T17:09:52 ok :-/ 2011-10-18T17:09:57 so once you start you won't get blindsided by a new release right before finals. 2011-10-18T17:09:58 * areece grumbles: its not like anyone else uses go 2011-10-18T17:09:59 just install a version that you use when working on the competition 2011-10-18T17:10:04 I do 2011-10-18T17:10:09 and its not that big of an issue =) 2011-10-18T17:10:30 at the top of the Makefile, define GOROOT to be the 'alternate' GOROOT 2011-10-18T17:10:53 Hey, I'm using go for ants. I wonder whose gobot will place higher. ;) 2011-10-18T17:10:54 with a conditional so it only runs on your machine 2011-10-18T17:11:02 hehe 2011-10-18T17:11:06 I dont know if I'll be able to compete 2011-10-18T17:11:08 my thesis and all =/ 2011-10-18T17:11:19 ChrisH_: does the starter pack now support the hills? 2011-10-18T17:11:20 wow, 3 people who use go in the same place at once 2011-10-18T17:11:22 :o 2011-10-18T17:11:25 Yeah, thesis is a bit more important. ;) 2011-10-18T17:11:30 ;) 2011-10-18T17:11:33 there's tons of us in #go-nuts =) 2011-10-18T17:12:02 jnwhiteh: I have no idea, I built my code from scratch and haven't looked at the go starter kit for a month. 2011-10-18T17:12:08 :P 2011-10-18T17:13:33 I am actually using the ants competition as a playground for learning go. I didn't PW in Java, and thought go would be a better language for this type of code. 2011-10-18T17:13:48 that should be "I did PW in Java" 2011-10-18T17:13:59 Go is fun, but immature. 2011-10-18T17:14:03 yes 2011-10-18T17:14:06 I would not advise Go for any real project. 2011-10-18T17:14:12 not yet 2011-10-18T17:14:13 psh 2011-10-18T17:14:15 i did pw in c++ until i got fed up with it, threw out all the c++ and did the rest in c 2011-10-18T17:14:19 plenty of us use it for real projects every day 2011-10-18T17:14:36 The first time I sat down and used it for a real project I found 2 bugs in the standard library. 2011-10-18T17:14:37 gofix fixes anything that changes without issue 90% of the time 2011-10-18T17:14:37 I'm sure. 2011-10-18T17:14:38 Thats not ok 2011-10-18T17:14:42 and you can target release/weekly/whatever you want 2011-10-18T17:15:11 areece: launch and iterate! 2011-10-18T17:15:16 I hope go gains traction because I think it is a pretty neat language. 2011-10-18T17:15:24 I agree 2011-10-18T17:15:36 I want my languages to have lamda functions :3 2011-10-18T17:15:53 One thing I have found VERY helpful with ants is the profiling tools. 2011-10-18T17:15:58 *** g0llum has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-18T17:16:28 *** g0llum has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T17:16:30 ChrisH_: pong 2011-10-18T17:16:47 janzert: who does the code for the user profile pages? 2011-10-18T17:16:59 janzert: I have a recommendation for improvement. 2011-10-18T17:17:01 D has lamdas and instrumented profiling as well. 2011-10-18T17:17:08 mostly McLeopold has but I've done some as well 2011-10-18T17:17:48 janzert: I recommend displaying all of the dates and times in the same format. There are currently three different date formats on the same page. Makes it hard to compare them. 2011-10-18T17:17:56 But I'd use a heuristical profiler over any instrumented profiler. 2011-10-18T17:18:13 ChrisH_: yeah, I think there is even a bug filed about that already too 2011-10-18T17:18:15 :( 2011-10-18T17:18:27 janzert: I thought I might have filed one, but couldn't find it today. 2011-10-18T17:19:03 it's just a matter of someone actually doing it 2011-10-18T17:19:47 There are quite a few systems languages emerging that can be an alternative to C/C++. 2011-10-18T17:20:09 i should pick up on the old work i did in zeta 2011-10-18T17:20:29 i like how it's been untouched for so long 2011-10-18T17:20:50 *** Areks has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-10-18T17:21:48 *** ibdknox_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-18T17:22:13 *** ibdknox_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T17:24:03 Zannick: what will you work on? 2011-10-18T17:24:11 no idea 2011-10-18T17:24:14 i just "should" 2011-10-18T17:24:27 i don't think i actually will 2011-10-18T17:24:53 busy with other work 2011-10-18T17:25:02 beef with Go starter code: main doesn't parse flags >-< 2011-10-18T17:25:07 ok, just thought that maybe you want some ideas or there is an ideas thread somewhere 2011-10-18T17:25:27 areece: what is the problem with that? 2011-10-18T17:25:44 if there is an ideas thread, i would like to be pointed at it. i've been not working on aichallenge since february or so 2011-10-18T17:25:56 Um, it means that flags can't be used? 2011-10-18T17:26:24 areece: the command line used to run the bot is fixed. 2011-10-18T17:26:27 Zannick: I don't know. But the compiler system could support build systems. 2011-10-18T17:26:48 Maybe all we have are the 'zeta' issues on github 2011-10-18T17:26:48 Zannick: Yes. But I like having flags to control logging, etc. 2011-10-18T17:26:54 Or "./MyBot --help" 2011-10-18T17:26:59 *** ibdknox_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2011-10-18T17:27:00 I expect that to tell me how to run it >_< 2011-10-18T17:27:11 *** g0llum has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-18T17:27:20 why don't you just add that functionality if you need it? 2011-10-18T17:27:25 *** g0llum has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T17:27:27 areece: then your solution should be to add that functionality for yourself 2011-10-18T17:27:44 its not like you are forced to keep the original files as is 2011-10-18T17:27:46 *** McLeopold has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-10-18T17:27:54 but make sure that the reasonable defaults of "no flags specified" still work 2011-10-18T17:28:09 Of course. 2011-10-18T17:28:43 areece, the engine is not passing any cmd line args to aour bot ever 2011-10-18T17:28:45 yeah, as mleise said, you can edit the starter files as much as you like, or start from scratch. 2011-10-18T17:28:58 Guys, of course I realize I can edit the starter code -.- 2011-10-18T17:29:17 I was just grumbling that "./binary --help" didn't produce anything meaningful 2011-10-18T17:29:31 ah, right. the engine. if you want your bot to play with flags specified from the engine, you need to modify the engine 2011-10-18T17:29:41 areece: the thing is that you're never supposed to run your bot manually, but run it through the engine 2011-10-18T17:29:49 and starter-specific issues should be taken up with the author ;) 2011-10-18T17:29:51 so command line arguments are kinda useless 2011-10-18T17:29:57 How do I run the engine? 2011-10-18T17:30:02 Noone said that the bots have to comply to Posix command-line standard interfaces :p 2011-10-18T17:30:17 areece: get the tools, the run_one_game 2011-10-18T17:30:32 mleise: sure they do: stdin, stdout 2011-10-18T17:31:10 amstan: I mean the posix standard for providing --help, -h and other flags. 2011-10-18T17:31:18 is that a posix standard? 2011-10-18T17:31:19 ... ah 2011-10-18T17:31:38 yeah, it's not really a posix standard, just a convention for user friendly commands 2011-10-18T17:31:39 is there a readme or something in the starter pack? 2011-10-18T17:32:24 oh sorry, --help is a GNU standard 2011-10-18T17:32:44 http://www.faqs.org/docs/artu/ch10s05.html 2011-10-18T17:35:01 ... am I expected to modify run_one_game to use it? 2011-10-18T17:35:19 areece: yes 2011-10-18T17:35:36 is this all in a README file somewhere that I just didn't get? 2011-10-18T17:35:41 areece: or make copies and edit it to run different tests. 2011-10-18T17:35:57 ls 2011-10-18T17:36:34 areece: did you see: http://aichallenge.org/using_the_tools.php 2011-10-18T17:37:44 *** azth has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T17:38:02 Yeah. 2011-10-18T17:38:07 Was expecting a README though :-/ 2011-10-18T17:38:20 *** g0llum has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-18T17:38:37 *** g0llum has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T17:38:53 *** azth has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-18T17:39:30 specialiation is for insects 2011-10-18T17:41:50 *** Larose has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-10-18T17:43:18 *** sjones has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T17:43:21 *** g0llum has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-18T17:43:44 *** sjones is now known as Guest8070 2011-10-18T17:45:46 *** loverl has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T17:48:00 *** areece has left #aichallenge 2011-10-18T17:49:50 The "Getting Started With Python" page was not found. 2011-10-18T17:50:06 Just so people are aware. 2011-10-18T17:51:35 which one? 2011-10-18T17:51:48 *** DarthArachides has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T17:52:31 *** revisor has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T17:53:15 *** DarthArachides has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-18T17:53:21 *** revisor has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-18T17:54:11 http://aichallenge.org/Getting_Started_with_Python/ 2011-10-18T17:55:12 I believe that page has the link to download "tools" which are mentioned here: http://aichallenge.org/ants_tutorial.php 2011-10-18T17:56:13 oh, that should be a link to python.org, not a relative link 2011-10-18T17:56:52 ugh, the visualizer on this page is capturing my home, end, pgup, and pgdown keys 2011-10-18T17:57:07 not cool 2011-10-18T17:57:47 ah, okay then. 2011-10-18T17:58:40 * amstan gets in the mood for programming, puts on tron 2011-10-18T18:01:23 *** choas has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-10-18T18:03:50 well, i can't find the markup files for the site, so i guess i can't fix it 2011-10-18T18:04:20 Zannick: the markup is on github :) 2011-10-18T18:04:43 it is the wiki content 2011-10-18T18:06:11 janzert: you're ok with including server_info.php in header.php? that's the only way to not include analytics key in git 2011-10-18T18:06:45 oh 2011-10-18T18:09:13 aichallenge: Alexandru Stan * rf8beb45 / (setup/server_info.php.template website/header.php): readded google analytics - http://git.io/HLcy4g 2011-10-18T18:10:32 mleise: well, that makes it easier 2011-10-18T18:11:45 markdown * 2011-10-18T18:12:16 *** nomad_man has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T18:13:06 *** ltriant_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T18:13:32 *** ltriant has quit IRC (Disconnected by services) 2011-10-18T18:13:39 *** ltriant_ is now known as ltriant 2011-10-18T18:13:43 it would be cool if github had a bot ala cia, that would idle in the channel and talk even about issues 2011-10-18T18:16:16 on http://aichallenge.org/ants_tutorial.php , what is, "You'll also want to download the tools and install them on your machine." referring to? 2011-10-18T18:17:46 see "using the tools" 2011-10-18T18:18:39 hm, "Using the Tools" page has a wiki link to "Ants Five Minute Quickstart Guide" but that doesn't work on the site, only on the wiki 2011-10-18T18:18:59 ah, I was sitting through python's index of packages looking for "tools" XD 2011-10-18T18:19:55 loverl: updated page to have a link to it now 2011-10-18T18:20:08 Much appreciated. 2011-10-18T18:20:20 loverl: that's funny though, lol 2011-10-18T18:39:43 amstan: I'd rather not have any of the google analytics code in git 2011-10-18T18:40:02 janzert: so you don't like it now? 2011-10-18T18:40:09 I meant to do something like server_message.html 2011-10-18T18:40:16 but have it included in the head section 2011-10-18T18:40:30 and call it what? google_analytics? 2011-10-18T18:40:41 server_head.html? 2011-10-18T18:40:45 oh, ic 2011-10-18T18:40:57 can you do that? 2011-10-18T18:41:04 i'm getting the faq ready 2011-10-18T18:41:09 sure 2011-10-18T18:41:11 https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/wiki/Frequently-Asked-Questions 2011-10-18T18:41:55 also working on getting the dates on profile page to be displayed in less ways ;) 2011-10-18T18:46:17 aichallenge: Alexandru Stan * r1a1265a / website/faq.php : now we have faq from wiki - http://git.io/EW_Q-Q 2011-10-18T18:48:11 amstan: btw, is this still the same analytics account as before or is it a new one? 2011-10-18T18:48:14 found in the FAQ just linked: "You may modify any of the provided files in a starter package, including the PlanetWars class." 2011-10-18T18:48:34 janzert: same one, i need more access from jeff for more 2011-10-18T18:48:47 ChrisH_: fixed that too, just not updated on the site, check wiki 2011-10-18T18:48:58 wait.. no nvm 2011-10-18T18:49:16 there 2011-10-18T18:49:31 hahah 2011-10-18T18:49:36 well, you could just start a whole new domain 2011-10-18T18:50:51 we have a new domain 2011-10-18T18:50:51 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-18T18:50:56 planet wars was on ai-contest.com 2011-10-18T18:51:10 right, I meant in google analytics 2011-10-18T18:51:15 ah 2011-10-18T18:52:00 although having in the same account as the old one would let us compare back 2011-10-18T18:53:55 aichallenge: janzert * r471eee1 / website/faq.php : Merge branch 'epsilon' of github.com:aichallenge/aichallenge into epsilon - http://git.io/cwPrPw 2011-10-18T19:01:37 aichallenge: Alexandru Stan * rf676cf9 / setup/server_info.php.template : removed google analytics from server_info - http://git.io/8PMj6g 2011-10-18T19:03:06 *** addfs has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-18T19:08:03 *** mceier has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2011-10-18T19:08:33 aichallenge: janzert * r11f67e1 / website/profile_submissions_widget.php : Match submission time date display to game list - http://git.io/nFJ5YA 2011-10-18T19:09:48 aichallenge: janzert * r1c7b9bc / website/profile_submissions_widget.php : Fix quoting - http://git.io/6eFoKA 2011-10-18T19:20:34 aichallenge: janzert * r6be36d7 / (website/nice.php website/profile.php): Get another date on the profile page formatted the same way - http://git.io/XLq4PQ 2011-10-18T19:23:08 *** screamer__ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T19:23:27 aichallenge: janzert * r8f463f4 / website/nice.php : Get both date functions to format it the same way - http://git.io/ZgwH2Q 2011-10-18T19:24:47 janzert: Thanks for the date format fixes. It is much better now. 2011-10-18T19:25:24 took a little digging to figure out where they were all coming from :/ 2011-10-18T19:25:33 but I think I got 'em all now 2011-10-18T19:31:43 *** McLeopold has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T19:32:04 janzert: try to get everything displaying a date to run through nice.php 2011-10-18T19:32:27 That's what I did 2011-10-18T19:32:38 I was just working on the profile page 2011-10-18T19:34:11 how can I visualize bot's testing on my local computer? 2011-10-18T19:34:49 McLeopold: Why if I don't and never have had an active submission does my profile page say I have 8 players ahead of me? 2011-10-18T19:35:43 screamer__: playgame should open a browser to show the game after playing it 2011-10-18T19:35:49 janzert: because whoever is writing the webpages sucks 2011-10-18T19:36:01 :P 2011-10-18T19:36:47 is it just a random number though or do we have wrong people in the seed queue? 2011-10-18T19:37:05 it's Rasmus Lerdorf's fault 2011-10-18T19:37:46 janzert: I'll have to look at it later 2011-10-18T19:38:02 ok 2011-10-18T19:40:37 janzert: yes, it opens. but bot doesn't do any actions. maybe I pass it in a wrong way? 2011-10-18T19:43:19 janzert: okay, it's later... 2011-10-18T19:43:46 if you ever did submit a a valid bot, that is how many people would be ahead of you 2011-10-18T19:44:00 which is technically how many people are currently in matchups 2011-10-18T19:44:31 McLeopold: can you check the assigned issues? 2011-10-18T19:47:05 guys, if I have a bot on cpp, how can I visualize it's behavior on a local machine? 2011-10-18T19:47:08 looking... 2011-10-18T19:48:31 *** Mikustriker has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-18T19:49:40 screamer__: if you run the bot with playgame.py, it should launch a replay of the game. If that is not happening, check your game_logs directory to see if an html page got generated. You can pastebin errors or other text files for us to look at if stuff doesn't work. 2011-10-18T19:49:58 right here --> http://pastebin.com/ 2011-10-18T19:50:12 *** xathis_ has quit IRC () 2011-10-18T19:51:27 amstan: I'm not sure if a django forum is the answer to your problems 2011-10-18T19:52:03 McLeopold: it's a pain to upgrade phpbbs 2011-10-18T19:52:09 i might be fixing it now, but iwe'll see 2011-10-18T19:52:16 *** test has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T19:52:27 well, you'll have a data mirgration issue if you switch, I assume 2011-10-18T19:52:28 test 2011-10-18T19:52:32 hi test 2011-10-18T19:52:40 hi 2011-10-18T19:52:46 yes 2011-10-18T19:52:53 @later tell test new to irc? 2011-10-18T19:52:53 McLeopold: I think that worked... 2011-10-18T19:53:24 I'm not sure the matchup problems were entirely fixed by the change earlier today. I still see a lot of the same names repeatedly on the Latest Games page. 2011-10-18T19:53:50 *** test has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-18T19:54:51 ChrisH_: until the 24 hour period is up, the pendulum is going to swing the other way 2011-10-18T19:55:18 *** loverl has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-18T19:55:23 in fact, it may ossilate for awhile... 2011-10-18T19:55:39 McLeopold: I would understand if that were the case, but the repeating names are the ones that already have a high game rate. 2011-10-18T19:56:36 which names? 2011-10-18T19:58:50 mattfedd, sxyuan, Boojum, Nzeuwik, look at games 36206-36215 2011-10-18T19:59:39 It looks to me like maybe certain players are more frequently being chosen to match up against new submissions, or new users. 2011-10-18T20:00:16 but that's just a guess 2011-10-18T20:01:22 maybe something to look into. anyway, gotta go. 2011-10-18T20:01:27 *** ChrisH_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-18T20:03:53 janzert: ping 2011-10-18T20:06:57 amstan: http://askbot.org/en/questions/ I'm a fan of stackexchange 2011-10-18T20:14:03 *** pschulz has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T20:15:37 *** SimonT has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T20:16:38 *** nplus has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2011-10-18T20:16:38 *** SimonT is now known as nplus 2011-10-18T20:16:54 Is there any way of changing my account name? 2011-10-18T20:18:28 pschulz: wait for launch, then sign up again 2011-10-18T20:19:03 amstan: yes? 2011-10-18T20:19:16 janzert: what do i tell phpbb for mail settings? or should i leave it for later? 2011-10-18T20:19:30 hmm 2011-10-18T20:19:50 we'll have to figure out what to do with that 2011-10-18T20:20:49 you do remember I'm planning on starting with a fresh server thursday though right? 2011-10-18T20:21:45 janzert: couldn't we downgrade the worker type on ec2 and still be okay? 2011-10-18T20:22:14 0.168 reduced to 0.125, save 30 bucks per worker per month 2011-10-18T20:22:20 to what? 2011-10-18T20:22:26 janzert: ok then 2011-10-18T20:22:31 janzert: well i'm done then 2011-10-18T20:25:15 I assume you mean m1.large? 2011-10-18T20:25:55 it would give the bots ~60% of the cpu power and we would have to reduce the RAM they could use as well 2011-10-18T20:28:41 60% of CPU, 10% of RAM for 75% of the price 2011-10-18T20:28:44 7.5gig, looked like they could still have 500mb 2011-10-18T20:29:04 oops 43% of RAM 2011-10-18T20:29:28 java will die with less than 1gb 2011-10-18T20:29:50 what's the current limit 2011-10-18T20:30:18 1.5GB 2011-10-18T20:30:29 actually just over 2011-10-18T20:30:50 1580000KB 2011-10-18T20:30:57 they only get 1 core anyway, so, what does 6.5 ec2 compute units really get us? 2011-10-18T20:31:28 the 1 core they get is a faster core than the 1 core they get in a m1.large 2011-10-18T20:31:58 do we only get 2 cores? or is it unknown? 2011-10-18T20:32:04 2 cores yes 2011-10-18T20:32:07 in either type 2011-10-18T20:32:15 are we running parallel or serial? 2011-10-18T20:32:22 2 bots at a time 2011-10-18T20:32:28 okay 2011-10-18T20:32:38 1 per core 2011-10-18T20:33:23 *** McLeopold has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-18T20:34:56 the pairings for which 2 get run together are randomized every move 2011-10-18T20:37:37 *** amstan_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T20:37:37 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan_ 2011-10-18T20:42:30 *** screamer__ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-18T20:48:26 aarossig: https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/wiki/ants-Focus-Battle-Resolution 2011-10-18T20:54:37 *** rogue780 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T20:55:00 Are we still waiting for google's thumb up? 2011-10-18T20:55:24 rogue780: nope, it's all green 2011-10-18T20:57:18 @seen olexs 2011-10-18T20:57:18 amstan_: olexs was last seen in #aichallenge 2 weeks, 4 days, 5 hours, 2 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: indeed 2011-10-18T20:57:21 when is the website being updated? 2011-10-18T20:57:30 rogue780: when it launches 2011-10-18T20:58:04 funny, I don't see that date on my calendar 2011-10-18T20:58:41 rogue780: probl 2 thurs 2011-10-18T20:59:09 fantastic. thanks 2011-10-18T21:06:18 *** Dukie has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T21:08:05 *** Dukie is now known as dungeonduke 2011-10-18T21:11:13 *** vladimirfol has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T21:12:16 *** senekis_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T21:12:32 Hi. Any site admin online? 2011-10-18T21:13:12 *** JaycobColeman has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T21:14:52 *** senekis_ has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-18T21:15:56 senekis: definatelly not 2011-10-18T21:19:16 *** dungeonduke has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-18T21:20:11 *** dungeonduke has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T21:20:54 *** dungeonduke has left #aichallenge 2011-10-18T21:21:01 *** dungeonduke has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T21:23:02 new video incoming eta:10minutes 2011-10-18T21:37:39 *** rockzombie2 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T21:38:07 * rockzombie2 waves 2011-10-18T21:43:59 * amstan_ waves back 2011-10-18T21:44:56 hello? 2011-10-18T21:44:59 rockzombie2: So.. are you a zombie and a rock at the same time? or are you a zombie who likes listening to rock music? 2011-10-18T21:45:12 hey, how are you :D 2011-10-18T21:45:32 it's more of an open-to-interpretation type thing 2011-10-18T21:45:45 it kinda just evolved from previous usernames 2011-10-18T21:45:49 ah okay -- so what brings you to the channel? 2011-10-18T21:46:08 so i'm a little confused about the AI challenge 2011-10-18T21:46:25 first of all, is it not open yet, or is it already closed? the Ant one? 2011-10-18T21:46:37 it has yet to open 2011-10-18T21:46:48 it opens in about a week or so 2011-10-18T21:47:25 New Video Everyone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPs1y8LkMOo 2011-10-18T21:47:27 oh, ok. Well I still downloaded the packages and stuff to test it out but it didn't work. I don't know if its because it hasn't opened yet or if its because of an entirely different problem 2011-10-18T21:48:00 rockzombie2: well, I believe registration has been disabled because we are still in beta 2011-10-18T21:48:17 the problem has changed slightly because we were in open beta for such a long time 2011-10-18T21:48:34 rockzombie2: we'll launch very soon(2 days) 2011-10-18T21:48:43 I suggest coming back then :) 2011-10-18T21:49:08 *** amstan_ sets mode: +o aarossig 2011-10-18T21:49:11 So no chance of practicing on my computer until then? Like I can't run a game without uploading it first? 2011-10-18T21:49:15 when we launch we will all be around to help new comers and old users adapt to the changes 2011-10-18T21:49:42 rockzombie2: check this page out http://aichallenge.org/using_the_tools.php 2011-10-18T21:50:47 yeah, see that's what I tried doing, (running play_one_game.cmd) and I got an error saying something about 'python is not a valid command' 2011-10-18T21:51:16 rockzombie2: you need to install python 2011-10-18T21:51:41 well then. that sounds simple enough. I'll go try that now 2011-10-18T21:52:07 rockzombie2: ping me if you need help 2011-10-18T21:54:11 does it matter which version of Python I download? 2011-10-18T21:54:36 3.2.2 or 2.7.2? 2011-10-18T21:54:41 *** vladimirfol has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-18T21:56:33 rockzombie2: 2.7 2011-10-18T21:58:29 thanks. Also, what language are you going to be programming in? (assuming you're participating) 2011-10-18T21:59:01 amstan is an op 2011-10-18T21:59:08 he won't be participating (conflict of interest) 2011-10-18T22:08:48 *** InsaneMalkavian has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-10-18T22:20:47 *** nomad_man has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-18T22:22:04 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T22:33:03 *** amstan_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-18T22:56:54 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-18T23:00:33 *** jfhs has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-18T23:07:49 *** ali_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T23:08:15 hi 2011-10-18T23:08:38 hi 2011-10-18T23:09:11 ur from which univ? 2011-10-18T23:09:22 mohawk college? 2011-10-18T23:11:04 amstan: any ideas for a @aichallenge.org email address? I'm thinking maybe something like staff@ that would go to a list the admins could subscribe to 2011-10-18T23:11:30 yes 2011-10-18T23:11:33 good idea 2011-10-18T23:11:36 right now registration emails go out with a from address of janzert@janzert.com changing that to an @aichallenge.org address would be nice 2011-10-18T23:11:47 we have noreply@ai-contest.com already 2011-10-18T23:11:53 for that 2011-10-18T23:11:58 but aichallenge.org works too 2011-10-18T23:12:00 is that a real address though? 2011-10-18T23:12:03 yes 2011-10-18T23:12:07 it's a real inbox too 2011-10-18T23:12:11 oh 2011-10-18T23:12:27 then I just need to get it verified with amazon's email server 2011-10-18T23:12:33 service 2011-10-18T23:12:48 is someone monitoring it? 2011-10-18T23:12:56 jeff set it all up 2011-10-18T23:13:04 I have gotten a few questions back in reply to registration emails 2011-10-18T23:13:30 jeff didn't want to read them 2011-10-18T23:13:44 :} 2011-10-18T23:14:22 I think it will stay fairly low volume 2011-10-18T23:14:46 i.e. I don't mind handling them, just need an account/address to do it with 2011-10-18T23:16:55 I do think having it as a list we all could monitor is probably the best option though 2011-10-18T23:17:18 *** orn2011 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T23:18:14 ? 2011-10-18T23:18:18 *** orn2011 has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-18T23:24:36 aichallenge: Marco Leise * r46334d5 / (2 files): added -g debug switch - http://git.io/mGYSew 2011-10-18T23:24:36 aichallenge: Marco Leise * r7b5f26f / (13 files in 5 dirs): Support for regenerating bot input from a replay - http://git.io/gGuIqw 2011-10-18T23:24:36 aichallenge: Marco Leise * rf401bfd / eclipse_projects/Python/.project : added a directory - http://git.io/-Z0fEQ 2011-10-18T23:24:56 *** Alexei has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T23:25:03 is anybody here? 2011-10-18T23:26:52 yes? 2011-10-18T23:27:02 there's quite a few people in here 2011-10-18T23:28:13 *** mattfedd has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T23:33:51 Alexei: Don't believe him; amstan is a bot. 2011-10-18T23:37:18 *** rogue780 has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2011-10-18T23:38:43 *** ltriant has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-10-18T23:41:23 *** ibdknox has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T23:46:29 *** ltriant has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-18T23:51:58 haha 2011-10-18T23:52:08 well i got the email that the ant challenge will start 2011-10-18T23:52:10 on oct 21 2011-10-18T23:52:23 i am assuming the sighn up is down until then? 2011-10-18T23:54:04 *** pschulz has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-18T23:57:57 you can sign up on the forum. btw, does anyone know how to test your bot in C#? i don't can't find the exe for it that the tutorial says to run from cmd