2011-10-19T00:00:40 same 2011-10-19T00:00:53 i am trying to start in C# and trying to test the prepared package 2011-10-19T00:01:40 where on the forum do i sign up? 2011-10-19T00:06:26 *** dvladim has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T00:07:13 oh I'm not really sure where. Just try and post a new topic and it'll ask you to sign up 2011-10-19T00:14:43 this is so confusing to start 2011-10-19T00:14:53 i can code, but starting is so confusing 2011-10-19T00:16:09 yeah same here. So i'm determined to get it to work because I'm sure it'll be a lot of fun once I do. thats usually how things work 2011-10-19T00:16:18 *** ali_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T00:17:11 yeah 2011-10-19T00:17:29 with the one or two coding courses that i had 2011-10-19T00:17:38 it was such a pain to understand what they want and how to start 2011-10-19T00:17:56 but once you start and it becomes all logic/code and stradegy and debugging it gets interesting 2011-10-19T00:22:01 *** dvladim has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-10-19T00:22:10 right. what IDE are you using for c#? 2011-10-19T00:25:57 i have no idea what IDE is 2011-10-19T00:29:12 what app do you program in? 2011-10-19T00:29:52 notepadd++ 2011-10-19T00:30:10 was hopping to write code in c#, will do c++ 2011-10-19T00:30:27 but cant compile/dont know how to 2011-10-19T00:30:32 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2011-10-19T00:30:34 *** foRei has quit IRC (Quit: Bye) 2011-10-19T00:33:15 like I'm using Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone 2011-10-19T00:33:33 and for some reason it doesn't want to compile. Like the run button is dimmed out. 2011-10-19T00:34:00 but yeah if I can't do it in C# (I'm gonna try to though) then I'll just write it in Java 2011-10-19T00:35:09 *** Alexei has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T00:44:45 *** minsang has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T00:45:15 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T00:46:25 *** minsang has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-19T00:49:41 *** ChrisH_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T00:54:33 *** Palmik has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T01:02:15 *** ibdknox has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-19T01:02:46 *** ibdknox has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T01:07:16 *** ibdknox has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-10-19T01:09:36 *** kiv has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-10-19T01:16:29 *** Areks has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T01:16:50 *** ChrisH_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T01:20:52 *** mleise has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-10-19T01:22:00 *** onensora has quit IRC () 2011-10-19T01:23:12 *** sttwister has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T01:23:33 *** nomad_man has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T01:24:17 Is the queue is going to be as long as as now during the official competition, or are you guys going to scale? 2011-10-19T01:26:41 also, are the ants supposed to find other ants across water? 2011-10-19T01:35:03 *** kiv has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T01:38:01 ants can see other ants across water 2011-10-19T01:38:06 they can even attack across water 2011-10-19T01:38:36 *** captainpark has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T01:38:47 what up 2011-10-19T01:41:42 yo 2011-10-19T02:00:54 *** aeter has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T02:05:51 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-10-19T02:11:49 *** mattfedd has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T02:11:53 *** aeter1 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T02:13:03 *** aeter has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-19T02:13:52 *** captainpark has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T02:15:13 *** itelichko has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T02:17:08 *** nomad_man has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T02:19:18 *** rockzombie2 has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T02:21:51 *** dungeonduke has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-19T02:24:55 *** ltriant has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep) 2011-10-19T02:28:41 *** ibdknox has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T02:29:46 *** ibdknox has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T02:32:11 *** onensora has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T02:33:52 *** ibdknox has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-10-19T02:35:51 *** Taehun has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T02:35:52 d 2011-10-19T02:35:57 hi 2011-10-19T02:42:36 *** Coderik has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T02:50:10 *** aeter has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T02:54:08 *** aeter1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-10-19T02:56:48 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T02:56:48 *** kiv has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-19T03:00:19 *** kiv has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T03:08:03 *** Gudona has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T03:08:13 *** aerique has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T03:08:43 *** aeter has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-10-19T03:09:39 *** Gudona has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-19T03:23:11 *** ibdknox has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T03:25:22 *** Blkt has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T03:27:33 good morning everyone 2011-10-19T03:33:29 Blkt: good morning :) 2011-10-19T03:33:58 *** ibdknox has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-19T03:34:29 *** ibdknox has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T03:39:30 *** Taehun has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T03:39:37 *** ibdknox has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-10-19T03:42:45 *** sddfss has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T03:43:41 *** sddfss has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-19T03:44:20 *** steenlk has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T03:48:46 *** sttwister has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T03:55:18 hi there 2011-10-19T04:07:42 *** jfhs has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T04:13:19 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-19T04:16:56 autor of TCP server please msg me 2011-10-19T04:20:30 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T04:29:37 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T04:39:55 *** kiv has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-19T04:48:30 *** Blkt has quit IRC (Quit: testing...) 2011-10-19T04:48:50 *** Blkt has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T04:49:51 *** Blkt has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-19T04:54:42 *** xgetc25 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T04:54:57 *** nplus has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2011-10-19T04:55:13 hi , anyone write bot in Ruby ? 2011-10-19T04:58:52 *** Blkt has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T05:04:55 not seen one 2011-10-19T05:06:40 but there is a starter bot in ruby, as you might be aware of that, so it is supported 2011-10-19T05:08:17 yea, just want to have advice ) as i saw ruby bots submission, 2011-10-19T05:08:44 can I download other users code from website? 2011-10-19T05:09:31 you cant have legitim access to other people's submissions 2011-10-19T05:09:49 and if you hack the server, you are automatically disqualified 2011-10-19T05:10:21 oh okay, tnx 2011-10-19T05:14:00 *** JaycobColeman has quit IRC (Quit: JaycobColeman) 2011-10-19T05:18:41 *** nplus has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T05:25:35 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T05:39:14 *** jfhs has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-10-19T05:43:35 *** manzurmm has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T05:48:58 *** InsaneMalkavian has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T05:49:33 hey guys! 2011-10-19T05:49:58 *** Blkt has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-19T05:52:21 *** Blkt has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T05:53:32 Does anybody write a bot in MSVS? 2011-10-19T05:54:40 http://213.88.39.97:2080/ berak ants tcp server 2011-10-19T05:55:19 Pinging 213.88.39.97 with 32 bytes of data: 2011-10-19T05:55:19 Request timed out. 2011-10-19T05:55:20 Request timed out. 2011-10-19T05:55:39 it worck for me 2011-10-19T05:56:24 *** sir_macelon has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T05:56:59 how to play on this server? 2011-10-19T05:57:16 what is MSVS? 2011-10-19T05:57:17 dounload from it http://213.88.39.97:2080/tcpclient.py 2011-10-19T05:57:27 ping doesnt use port 2080 2011-10-19T05:57:33 rabidus: why do you expect a resposne? 2011-10-19T05:57:43 it's only a ping 2011-10-19T05:57:43 visual studio 2011-10-19T05:58:00 download from italia :p 2011-10-19T05:58:30 *** manzurmm_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T05:58:49 InsaneMalkavian: no sorry --its awful and since i don't do .net i have no need to be exposed to that kind of pain ;) 2011-10-19T05:59:05 are you doing your bot in C# 2011-10-19T05:59:29 c++ 2011-10-19T05:59:48 *** manzurmm has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-19T05:59:52 InsaneMalkavian: just use your common sense 2011-10-19T06:00:08 I just wanted to ask, is there a way to debug bot directly whaen it plays 2011-10-19T06:00:23 yes, it is called common lisp 2011-10-19T06:01:05 c++ <3 2011-10-19T06:01:09 beh 2011-10-19T06:01:10 unaccepted way 2011-10-19T06:01:30 antimatroid: why do you keep inserting little asses? 2011-10-19T06:01:58 Accoun: which bot is yours? 2011-10-19T06:02:07 mcstar: are you serious? :P 2011-10-19T06:02:09 *** kaemo has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T06:02:25 InsaneMalkavian: i don't know of C++ remote debugging capabilities sorry, as far as i know it does not have any 2011-10-19T06:02:46 arent i always? 2011-10-19T06:02:54 InsaneMalkavian: code::blocks is wonderful for c++ 2011-10-19T06:03:28 im just saying msvs mightmess up the code, and insert non-portable parts 2011-10-19T06:03:31 Uh, i'll check this. 2011-10-19T06:03:46 keep it simple, posix compliant 2011-10-19T06:04:43 InsaneMalkavian: care to explain what do you mean by "to debug bot directly whaen it plays"? 2011-10-19T06:04:56 my answer was honest, really, with common lisp you can do that 2011-10-19T06:05:07 but i dont see what deos this mean in a c++ context 2011-10-19T06:05:11 as delt0r_ pointed out 2011-10-19T06:05:13 *** Palmik has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2011-10-19T06:10:13 *** xgetc25 has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T06:10:27 *** Palmik has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T06:10:28 I mean how to make VS to run play-game.cmd which runs mybot.exe to debug it. Just like debugging dll. 2011-10-19T06:11:11 first of all, you have to disable timouts 2011-10-19T06:11:16 i did that first too 2011-10-19T06:11:37 *** kiv has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T06:11:46 after that, i guess msvs has a cli debugger, just like gdb 2011-10-19T06:11:53 run your exe through that 2011-10-19T06:13:28 engine.py line 331, last i checked 2011-10-19T06:13:44 comment out appropriately 2011-10-19T06:14:01 you need to do this, cause otherwise, the engine would kill your debugging session 2011-10-19T06:15:47 but i suspect this is going to be a PITA with MSVS, with lisp, i just run netcat with the engine, to which i connected from my running development environment, and could debug directly from slime/emacs 2011-10-19T06:15:50 *** eashoka has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T06:16:12 its possible you are better off using sockets too, and running the exe from MSVS gui 2011-10-19T06:18:05 anyone knows why i have ground coffee in my tea? 2011-10-19T06:18:22 mcstar: you can do that with java too... i suspect C# supports something like that as well 2011-10-19T06:18:40 but really InsaneMalkavian good logging is typically enough 2011-10-19T06:18:50 cout for the win ;) 2011-10-19T06:19:02 delt0r_: i suspect he really wants to use the debugger 2011-10-19T06:19:04 well to the error stream of course 2011-10-19T06:19:09 cerr ftw 2011-10-19T06:19:27 poor man's debugger 2011-10-19T06:19:44 simple verbose error steam output is highly underrated 2011-10-19T06:19:57 but then a good debugger is gold too 2011-10-19T06:20:07 Does anybody know how debug bot written on java? 2011-10-19T06:20:10 ive never used one, im inexperienced 2011-10-19T06:20:18 I find with many threads debugers get pretty clusmy 2011-10-19T06:20:21 yes 2011-10-19T06:20:33 Areks: this is your lucky day 2011-10-19T06:20:39 ) 2011-10-19T06:20:58 um. what should i do? 2011-10-19T06:21:01 Areks: there are lots of ways.. in particular to can attach to a JVM that is running in "debug" mode and grab stack traces etc 2011-10-19T06:21:28 I would stat with a good IDE... eclipse/NetBeans/IDEA 2011-10-19T06:21:35 the first two are free 2011-10-19T06:22:08 then use the docs to run a debug session and will start to get a idea of what is involved. 2011-10-19T06:22:14 I haw all of them )) 2011-10-19T06:22:19 *have 2011-10-19T06:22:23 i use eclipse 2011-10-19T06:22:36 but its not really a irc do this kinda a thing 2011-10-19T06:22:47 *** eashoka has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T06:23:03 the docs and google have some quite nice tuts on that sort of thing that will be better than what i can do here 2011-10-19T06:23:09 also i need to go 2011-10-19T06:23:16 l8r 2011-10-19T06:23:26 delt0r_: thanks 2011-10-19T06:24:02 Areks: however i would start with simple System.err.println(); 2011-10-19T06:24:10 that is all i used last year 2011-10-19T06:24:25 ) 2011-10-19T06:24:49 delt0r_: u use Linux or Windows? 2011-10-19T06:25:50 linux 2011-10-19T06:26:45 thanks mcstar. I'll try it when i'll be at home. 2011-10-19T06:27:23 I use logging now, but sometimes it's not enough 2011-10-19T06:28:46 i know a guy who has the same problem 2011-10-19T06:29:18 i think he is called bond, the world's not enough? 2011-10-19T06:30:23 im gonna miss lisp soo much, if i will really write my bot in c++ 2011-10-19T06:30:29 you just reminded me of that 2011-10-19T06:45:59 *** jfhs has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T06:48:01 InsaneMalkavian: did you watch Vizov? 2011-10-19T06:49:31 still not 2011-10-19T06:50:20 How do you know that? UncleVasya said it? 2011-10-19T06:50:52 no, either i am psychic, or i hacked your conversations 2011-10-19T06:51:03 of course he did 2011-10-19T06:51:22 he was happy, that you now have to watch it 2011-10-19T06:51:52 I promised him to watch it 2011-10-19T06:52:32 But i dont like to watch low-quality tv-rips, that's the problem. 2011-10-19T06:56:04 just think back to your first VHS porns, quality aside, you enjoyed them, concentrate on the content 2011-10-19T06:58:17 lol. you've got a perfect sense of humor =) 2011-10-19T07:00:47 :) 2011-10-19T07:02:18 *** steenlk has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T07:03:08 btw, I've got problem with replays on website 2011-10-19T07:03:11 Loading visualizer... Fetching replay from: game/37030... Creating canvas... Parsing the replay... INDEX_SIZE_ERR message INDEX_SIZE_ERR: DOM Exception 1 code 1 INDEX_SIZE_ERR 1 2011-10-19T07:04:06 chrome 14 2011-10-19T07:04:39 omg 14th version. they are insane. 2011-10-19T07:13:38 *** xathis has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T07:18:08 yep, same here 2011-10-19T07:19:07 mleise is tweaking the visualizer/replay format to add a mechanism to extract bot input or some like that 2011-10-19T07:19:13 i guess he messed something up 2011-10-19T07:19:27 will be fixed, dont worry 2011-10-19T07:22:58 ok 2011-10-19T07:23:18 How big is your team? 2011-10-19T07:24:26 I mean how many people are working on Ants. 2011-10-19T07:25:41 im a contestant just like you 2011-10-19T07:26:13 the organizing team is approximately 6-8 persons 2011-10-19T07:26:39 depends where do you draw the line, many contribute 2011-10-19T07:29:32 *** manzurmm has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T07:29:32 *** manzurmm_ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-19T07:39:56 *** manzurmm_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T07:39:57 *** manzurmm has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-19T07:44:33 *** manzurmm_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2011-10-19T07:45:08 *** manzurmm has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T07:48:31 *** Akkiros has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T07:49:03 *** foRei has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T07:50:07 *** manzurmm_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T07:51:33 *** Akkiros has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-19T07:52:46 *** manzurmm has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-19T08:06:13 *** amstan_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T08:06:13 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan_ 2011-10-19T08:15:32 @later tell McLeopold sure you can ask me java questions. 2011-10-19T08:15:32 delt0r: I come to serve. 2011-10-19T08:17:43 *** nekosune_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T08:18:23 Okay does anyone know how this error is happening? 2011-10-19T08:18:37 play_one_game.cmd C:\GoogleAI\tools\sample_bots\csharp\Ants.exe 2011-10-19T08:19:42 mcstar: http://aerique.blogspot.com/2011/10/virtualbox-common-lisp-environment-for.html 2011-10-19T08:20:39 reading 2011-10-19T08:21:44 hm 2011-10-19T08:21:50 in objective-c? 2011-10-19T08:22:17 i mean for the ipad 2011-10-19T08:22:24 I am getting the error: SandboxError: Failed to start ['./Ants.exe'] 2011-10-19T08:23:16 mcstar: my temporary gig? yeah, obj-c 2011-10-19T08:23:21 yep 2011-10-19T08:24:03 so, what kind of linux is in the image? 2011-10-19T08:24:10 how big is it? 2011-10-19T08:24:27 i tried emacs on win7 its good, tried it with ccl 2011-10-19T08:24:51 with a little modification you can make your starter bot portable 2011-10-19T08:25:43 can c# programs be started just like that? 2011-10-19T08:26:10 under linux you run them under mono, isnt there something like that on win too? 2011-10-19T08:26:20 nekosune_: 2011-10-19T08:30:36 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2011-10-19T08:32:10 aerique: 2011-10-19T08:32:46 im just curious about the motivation 2011-10-19T08:35:03 aerique: i re-did my cl bot a bit, i used a similar class to hold state variables like you did 2011-10-19T08:35:11 i ditched it, in favor of a hashtable 2011-10-19T08:35:29 now i just use the string that comes from the server and use it as the key for the value 2011-10-19T08:35:40 no (string= and such 2011-10-19T08:35:51 mcstar: a very minimal ubuntu 11.04 running window maker, it's 350mb compressed and unpacks to 2.4GB 2011-10-19T08:36:11 mcstar: my motivation for the gig or the vbox thing? 2011-10-19T08:36:18 vbox 2011-10-19T08:36:27 the other is money i guess 2011-10-19T08:36:30 :D 2011-10-19T08:36:36 *** Accoun has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2011-10-19T08:36:37 mcstar: have you got the src somewhere of your approach, i'm always interesting in better ways of doing things :) 2011-10-19T08:36:57 mcstar: i just hope some people will give CL a go 2011-10-19T08:37:25 i dont follow : "have you got the src somewhere of your approach" ? 2011-10-19T08:37:37 the hashtable? 2011-10-19T08:38:03 mcstar: yeah, i don't want to think about it now :) still got work stuff in my head that i need to continue with 2011-10-19T08:38:28 aah, dont bother with it, its trivial, and isnt vital 2011-10-19T08:38:52 wrt the vbox, i still get it 2011-10-19T08:39:08 it is much easier to download a ccl environment ready with emacs/slime 2011-10-19T08:39:15 than using a vbox image 2011-10-19T08:39:33 its huge, really, and windows people dont want to deal with windowmaker 2011-10-19T08:40:49 nekosune_: your bot needs to have a name MyBot.exe i guess 2011-10-19T08:41:06 if you want to sir_macelon no 2011-10-19T08:41:11 can be called whatever 2011-10-19T08:41:15 he is running locally 2011-10-19T08:41:29 haha 2011-10-19T08:41:38 "if you want to" isnt meant for you :D 2011-10-19T08:41:53 mcstar: i've noticed :) 2011-10-19T08:43:04 aerique: so how about tweaking a bit your bot, adding portable interrupt extension? 2011-10-19T08:43:22 i dont think it has anything else sbcl specific 2011-10-19T08:43:36 you havent implemented timers yet as far as i remember 2011-10-19T08:44:24 mcstar: i might take a look at it but it won't be in the very near future 2011-10-19T08:44:40 mcstar: and since we're running SBCL on the official server as well... 2011-10-19T08:44:50 its much easier than getting together a vbox image, isnt it? 2011-10-19T08:45:08 im just concerned about spending your time productively 2011-10-19T08:45:14 mcstar: perhaps, i'm not very familiar with CCL 2011-10-19T08:45:48 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T08:45:49 they recommended it for me on #lisp for its nice debugging messages 2011-10-19T08:45:59 mcstar: i thought using a vbox image would be the easiest for users.. no setting up of anything and ready to go after booting the image 2011-10-19T08:46:01 they say its better than sblc, makes more sense 2011-10-19T08:46:48 mcstar: i tried making a CCL, Emacs & Slime environment for a friend that just needed unzipping but that still had issues (and was still quite some MBs) 2011-10-19T08:47:31 i downloaded that from somewhere, and worked perfectly 2011-10-19T08:47:38 i dont remmeber its name 2011-10-19T08:48:03 mcstar: well, it's done now anyway. i'll keep it in mind for next time 2011-10-19T08:48:37 *** MGrin has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T08:48:50 http://common-lisp.net/project/lispbox/ 2011-10-19T08:48:53 this was it 2011-10-19T08:49:14 if i have time, i will see what needs to be done to make it portable 2011-10-19T08:49:23 Guys! someone can help me please? My code compiles on my one machine, but not on the server 2011-10-19T08:49:39 it's in Java, and I m on Mac os 2011-10-19T08:49:53 someone had something like that? 2011-10-19T08:50:05 aerique: i guess youre at work, dont let me distract you, ive got things to do too 2011-10-19T08:50:46 mcstar: thanks for the link :) 2011-10-19T08:51:21 MGrin: what's the error message? 2011-10-19T08:51:38 there is no error message 2011-10-19T08:51:59 just like "Compile Error: error while compiling submission" and that's all 2011-10-19T08:52:30 STUPID web client >.> didnt flash 2011-10-19T08:52:44 and no in windows c# programs can be started as executables 2011-10-19T08:54:02 MGrin: if you are logged in, on your player profile page you should get more verbose message 2011-10-19T08:54:33 hmmmm lemme try renaming it then 2011-10-19T08:55:19 sir_macelon: yes i know, something like "Did not find a recognized MyBot.* file. ..." etc., if i don't have my MyBot.java, but here, i dont have any message 2011-10-19T08:55:19 *** itelichko has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T08:55:29 renaming my bot does nothing 2011-10-19T08:56:09 MGrin: this means you didn't put MyBot.java in deafult packege, means the root directory, it has to be there 2011-10-19T08:56:53 nekosune_: what do you get if you start the bot by your own? 2011-10-19T08:57:03 I gte a waiting console 2011-10-19T08:57:15 it should wait for input and whene you type "ready" it should respond with "go" 2011-10-19T08:57:37 it does 2011-10-19T08:57:47 *** amstan_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2011-10-19T08:58:04 nekosune_: and what command do you start it ? 2011-10-19T08:58:08 *** amstan_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T08:58:08 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan_ 2011-10-19T08:58:33 sir_macelon: it is... I take the start package, i copy paste my code into the MyBot.java and other classes, just in the body, didn't change anything, zip it and sended it. So all my files are like in start pack, i just added a bit of my own code. 2011-10-19T08:59:06 play_one_game.cmd C:\GoogleAI\tools\sample_bots\csharp\NekoBot.exe 2011-10-19T08:59:21 nekosune_: how do you zip it? 2011-10-19T08:59:24 MGrin: your zip doesn't create any folders 2011-10-19T08:59:26 ? 2011-10-19T08:59:29 are you sure? 2011-10-19T08:59:34 it need to expand right there, not into a folder 2011-10-19T09:00:00 MGrin: if you choose an option to preserve paths to file than it's wrong 2011-10-19T09:00:02 of course i meant MGrin 2011-10-19T09:00:29 sended->sent 2011-10-19T09:00:34 I dont zip it yet 2011-10-19T09:00:40 this is the test one isnt it? 2011-10-19T09:00:46 sir_macelon: if you choose an option to preserve paths to file than it's wrong [15:00] of : It's an native zipper of Mac OS, so i'm not really sure.. i'll try to use something other 2011-10-19T09:00:59 oh boy 2011-10-19T09:01:02 dont use the finder 2011-10-19T09:01:06 use zip from iterm 2011-10-19T09:01:19 =) 2011-10-19T09:01:46 nekosune_: I am not aware what is the current content of play_one_game.cmd, could you paste it? 2011-10-19T09:01:55 *** manzurmm_ has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) 2011-10-19T09:02:12 @echo off python %~dp0playgame.py --engine_seed 42 --player_seed 42 --end_wait=0.25 --verbose --log_dir game_logs --turns 500 --map_file %~dp0maps\maze\maze_9.map %* "python %~dp0sample_bots\python\GreedyBot.py" "python %~dp0sample_bots\python\LeftyBot.py" "python %~dp0sample_bots\python\HunterBot.py" 2011-10-19T09:02:12 off python %~dp0playgame.py --engine_seed 42 --player_seed 42 --end_wait=0.25 --verbose --log_dir game_logs --turns 500 --map_file %~dp0maps\maze\maze_9.map %* python %~dp0sample_bots\python\GreedyBot.py python %~dp0sample_bots\python\LeftyBot.py python %~dp0sample_bots\python\HunterBot.py 2011-10-19T09:03:25 *** amstan_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-19T09:03:49 *** amstan_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T09:03:50 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan_ 2011-10-19T09:05:42 mcstar: Thanks! I was too lazy to do it from terminal... 2011-10-19T09:06:14 im glad it worked out 2011-10-19T09:06:24 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-19T09:06:57 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T09:07:26 nekosune_: try that again without the ".exe" and see how it goes 2011-10-19T09:09:15 ok 2011-10-19T09:10:23 it worke,d thankyou 2011-10-19T09:10:50 nekosune_: you're welcome 2011-10-19T09:11:41 *** sigh has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-10-19T09:12:03 sir_macelon: care to explain your reasoning? 2011-10-19T09:14:30 *** jcdny has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T09:15:48 how did you arrrive to that conclusion, removing .exe? why doesnt windows like .exe? is the engine? 2011-10-19T09:15:56 seems weird, thats all 2011-10-19T09:16:51 mcstar: I remember reading somewhere, that's how these ants python scripts work 2011-10-19T09:17:06 mcstar: you'd better ask mcleo for details 2011-10-19T09:18:22 mcstar: or you can grep old irc logs 2011-10-19T09:18:45 i dont care that much, just wasnt sure if its a windows quirk or not 2011-10-19T09:20:38 *** wololoooo has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T09:22:28 *** nekosune_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T09:24:33 *** aerique has quit IRC (Quit: ...) 2011-10-19T09:35:18 almost 1200, almost 350 in last 24h, phew... games are really slooow nooow... 2011-10-19T09:35:43 ^ i meant user counts 2011-10-19T09:38:55 wow 2011-10-19T09:39:03 Did you advertise or something 2011-10-19T09:44:16 *** ejls has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T09:45:08 now it's 1224/370 where are these people comming from? it's a flood! 2011-10-19T09:45:30 I am here since I read about it on Hacker News 2011-10-19T09:46:37 this year march? 2011-10-19T09:47:36 211 days ago 2011-10-19T09:47:43 i dont even know when that was 2011-10-19T09:48:07 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3129716 2011-10-19T09:48:44 aham 2011-10-19T09:49:44 *** PitomPi has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T09:55:14 *** amstan_ has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2011-10-19T09:55:34 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T09:55:34 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-10-19T09:56:19 janzert, mcleopold: i tought you guys closed the new signups 2011-10-19T09:56:35 why do we have 300 new people? 2011-10-19T09:57:17 *** lurbina has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T09:59:26 *** kirnatbbkdotru has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T10:00:29 *** harrigan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T10:01:39 *** codehotter has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T10:02:40 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T10:02:59 LOL 2011-10-19T10:03:03 look up the russians 2011-10-19T10:03:27 162 of them 2011-10-19T10:03:31 *** harrigan has left #aichallenge 2011-10-19T10:03:32 i think many of them just appeared 2011-10-19T10:03:33 *** harrigan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T10:03:49 uncleavasya must have spread the word 2011-10-19T10:04:20 and we are definitely more crowded here on irc too 2011-10-19T10:04:44 mcstar: oh well, i guess it's fine 2011-10-19T10:04:54 they'll just be annoyed when their account dies 2011-10-19T10:04:58 tomorrow 2011-10-19T10:05:11 :) 2011-10-19T10:05:26 Who is unclevasya? I am one of these new russians, but I never heard of him. 2011-10-19T10:05:50 how did you come here? 2011-10-19T10:06:17 (he is a fellow from ukraine, and it was just a guess) 2011-10-19T10:06:37 this is where most users are coming from: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/sport_programming/130582/ 2011-10-19T10:07:06 I knew about this contest for two years. But it looks especially interesting this time, so I could not resist. 2011-10-19T10:07:33 a whole tutorial 2011-10-19T10:07:46 amstan: did you spot a nick? 2011-10-19T10:07:51 nope 2011-10-19T10:07:56 seems well written though 2011-10-19T10:08:03 No, I am from Syberia. But there is a lot of users from all exUSSR. 2011-10-19T10:08:05 itelichko: can you tell me whom that blog belongs to? 2011-10-19T10:08:33 *** Lurchi has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T10:08:41 *** CrazyThinker has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T10:08:44 How was the game for this challenge designed? 2011-10-19T10:08:45 *** rprime has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T10:08:49 mcstar: anyway, it's fine, let's not get too much fuss then 2011-10-19T10:08:50 amidart? 2011-10-19T10:09:00 codehotter: what do you mean? 2011-10-19T10:09:07 amstan: fine fine sure, i just found this interesting 2011-10-19T10:09:27 How was a game designed to be interesting for an ai challenge? 2011-10-19T10:09:30 and/or selected 2011-10-19T10:09:55 *** sunmoon has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T10:10:33 http://213.88.39.97:2080/ TCP server 2011-10-19T10:10:50 Have no idea, but I think I saw amidart nick in the rating. You should ask him by email then. 2011-10-19T10:11:04 codehotter: it started with a forum post 2011-10-19T10:11:23 http://ai-contest.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1205&hilit=killer+ants 2011-10-19T10:12:52 i'm looking for olex, he wanted to post an announcement too 2011-10-19T10:14:31 *** Coderik has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T10:15:40 amstan: when you guys are ready, and if you want, i can send an email to some lists on my uni. too 2011-10-19T10:15:48 mcstar: ok 2011-10-19T10:16:28 habrahabr.ru is one of biggest collective it-blogs. They did big promotion for previous challenge. 2011-10-19T10:17:18 me and vasya even planned to write an article about it. 2011-10-19T10:17:18 mcstar: well.. you'll know when it launches 2011-10-19T10:17:40 InsaneMalkavian: i'm just a little annoyed that it got published before it launched 2011-10-19T10:17:54 InsaneMalkavian: it's still in beta, we're planning to launch tomorrow 2011-10-19T10:18:32 You were able to close registation untill public release 2011-10-19T10:18:33 russians are good at 0-day software too 2011-10-19T10:18:45 *** MGrin has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T10:19:30 InsaneMalkavian: yeah, i'm not sure what happened there, that was the plan 2011-10-19T10:21:43 *** prova has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T10:22:06 So when are you going to start officially? 2011-10-19T10:22:12 tomorrow 2011-10-19T10:22:13 tomorrow? 2011-10-19T10:22:19 nice 2011-10-19T10:22:19 *** prova has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-19T10:22:26 InsaneMalkavian: we have a video ready too 2011-10-19T10:22:37 link? 2011-10-19T10:22:42 InsaneMalkavian: are you going to write the article then? 2011-10-19T10:23:13 *** loowl has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T10:23:24 I'll discuss it with Vasya. If you dont mind - we can. 2011-10-19T10:23:29 InsaneMalkavian: we still have to put some finishing touches, but i can notify you when ready 2011-10-19T10:33:45 *** itelichko has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T10:34:18 *** itelichko has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T10:39:28 *** Posterdati has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T10:39:31 hi 2011-10-19T10:40:14 please I need help on the xubuntu virtualboximage for AI contest: I need root password and to change keyboard layout :) thanks 2011-10-19T10:40:37 Posterdati: i have no idea what you're talking about 2011-10-19T10:40:50 Posterdati: we don't have a virutualbox image 2011-10-19T10:40:59 where did you get it from? 2011-10-19T10:41:32 http://s3.amazonaws.com/google-ai-ants-common-lisp/Google+AI+Ants+Challenge+(Common+Lisp).7z 2011-10-19T10:41:56 Posterdati: where was it posted? 2011-10-19T10:42:07 on planetlisp 2011-10-19T10:42:16 link? 2011-10-19T10:42:29 its aeriqu's 2011-10-19T10:42:33 aerique 2011-10-19T10:42:38 he just told me about that 2011-10-19T10:42:39 oh, ok 2011-10-19T10:42:46 http://aerique.blogspot.com/2011/10/virtualbox-common-lisp-environment-for.html 2011-10-19T10:42:53 Posterdati: well, it's not an official thing, you should ask aerique about it 2011-10-19T10:42:54 and its not xubuntu? it supposed to tun window maker 2011-10-19T10:43:09 tun->run 2011-10-19T10:43:11 mcstar: yes it is window maker 2011-10-19T10:43:27 Posterdati: are you willing to try it out? 2011-10-19T10:43:36 i was considering an alternative, hear me out 2011-10-19T10:43:37 yes 2011-10-19T10:44:04 python? 2011-10-19T10:44:16 changing the cl starter bot, to be portable, and i would advise windows guys to download lispbox, which is emacs/slime/clozure cl 2011-10-19T10:44:28 no vrtual anything, everythings runs native on windows 2011-10-19T10:44:46 I don't run windows 2011-10-19T10:44:53 oh 2011-10-19T10:44:58 then why bother with it? 2011-10-19T10:45:32 the previous alternative works on osx too 2011-10-19T10:46:01 ? 2011-10-19T10:46:24 why the? 2011-10-19T10:46:42 *** itelichko has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T10:47:19 Posterdati: he's confused on why you would want to use an image of an os when you already have a capable os on the host 2011-10-19T10:47:33 ah yes i am 2011-10-19T10:47:58 amstan: because it is a ready to use image 2011-10-19T10:48:03 it would only make sense to me for windows users, since the windows sbcl port is not complete 2011-10-19T10:48:28 amstan: btw this can be a problem, dont you think? 2011-10-19T10:48:41 mcstar: what problem? 2011-10-19T10:49:02 I've got a working emacs+slime+sbcl system, but no info/examples written in Lisp for the contest 2011-10-19T10:49:08 are there any other languages, which have different quality implementations wrt platform? 2011-10-19T10:49:12 in the image there are examples 2011-10-19T10:49:55 Posterdati: its your space/bandwidth/choice, suit yourself 2011-10-19T10:50:28 mcstar: why do you think this is a problem? 2011-10-19T10:50:43 amstan: http://www.sbcl.org/platform-table.html 2011-10-19T10:50:55 mcstar: you mean no windows support? 2011-10-19T10:50:58 yes 2011-10-19T10:51:12 is there an alternative? 2011-10-19T10:51:18 i dont care about THAT, but i feel like theres a smaller chance that windows people will use lisp 2011-10-19T10:51:29 there is 2011-10-19T10:51:36 clozure cl, cmucl 2011-10-19T10:51:43 does it run the starter package the same? 2011-10-19T10:52:06 i discussed with aerique, that he should change the implementation dependent part of it 2011-10-19T10:52:13 its 1 line, sort of 2011-10-19T10:52:28 well, i'm sure you guys can solve it 2011-10-19T10:52:39 only if you want it 2011-10-19T10:52:55 it is not my problem per say 2011-10-19T10:52:56 *** codehotter has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T10:53:07 but i would gladly see more lispers around 2011-10-19T10:53:15 well, ping aerique about it 2011-10-19T10:53:23 he's not around on irc often so.. 2011-10-19T10:53:42 the two of you just miss each other 2011-10-19T10:53:47 :D 2011-10-19T10:54:24 we do? 2011-10-19T10:54:26 @seen aerique 2011-10-19T10:54:26 amstan: aerique was last seen in #aichallenge 2 hours, 3 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: mcstar: thanks for the link :) 2011-10-19T10:54:31 oh, nvm then 2011-10-19T10:54:32 lol 2011-10-19T10:54:41 is he in australia or something? 2011-10-19T10:54:52 netherlands 2011-10-19T10:54:55 i think 2011-10-19T10:55:07 oh, so he should be online then 2011-10-19T10:55:12 *** kakashi_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T10:55:14 it's like 4pm for him 2011-10-19T10:55:24 i guess he is simply busy 2011-10-19T10:57:47 *** ig has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-10-19T10:57:52 *** wastinger has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T10:58:34 Does anyone know the deadline, please? 2011-10-19T10:59:30 *** ben--- has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T10:59:36 *** ben--- is now known as ben---- 2011-10-19T10:59:44 of what? 2011-10-19T11:00:25 I could not login on http://ai-contest.com/forum 2011-10-19T11:01:02 The deadline of the submissions. 2011-10-19T11:01:04 *** ig has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T11:01:08 ok 2011-10-19T11:01:14 wastinger: the contest isnt started yet 2011-10-19T11:01:35 Ok, that's a relief! Thanks! 2011-10-19T11:02:04 so I can't login the forum 2011-10-19T11:02:12 Posterdati: why not? 2011-10-19T11:02:24 *** PitomPi_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T11:02:32 don't know 2011-10-19T11:03:59 *** PitomPi has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-19T11:03:59 *** PitomPi_ is now known as PitomPi 2011-10-19T11:04:51 *** spaes has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T11:06:05 *** jimb0 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T11:08:15 *** sir_macelon has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T11:09:25 *** Areks has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-19T11:09:28 *** twymer has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T11:09:44 Regarding ant spawing. Say, all ants are occupied and I gather further food. Afterwards the hills are emptied. Do ants spawn from the food I previously gathered or would I have lost the opportunity? 2011-10-19T11:12:00 *** jfhs has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-19T11:12:19 *** SalmanPK has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T11:13:07 *** chocko01 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T11:13:22 wastinger: i'm not sure what you mean 2011-10-19T11:14:46 ok, no contest! 2011-10-19T11:15:13 amstan: Is food valid only for 1 turn? What if my hills are occupied. Can I still spawn ants using food gathered when my hills were all occupied? 2011-10-19T11:15:34 yes 2011-10-19T11:16:11 i think you can store ants in your hill 2011-10-19T11:16:18 i saw a few games with that happening 2011-10-19T11:16:28 I mean hill will spawn ant next turn. you wont lose gathered food. 2011-10-19T11:16:33 Ok thanks! 2011-10-19T11:17:54 *** rtward has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T11:18:20 Look at visualizer, hive value on bars - is the number of ants ready to spawned from hill. 2011-10-19T11:20:02 *** hwang has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T11:25:56 *** Blkt has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-19T11:29:06 *** CrazyThinker has left #aichallenge 2011-10-19T11:31:02 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T11:31:54 *** sunmoon has quit IRC (Quit: sunmoon) 2011-10-19T11:32:34 *** sunmoon has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T11:32:52 *** chocko01 has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T11:34:29 *** DaOak has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T11:34:32 *** wastinger has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) 2011-10-19T11:36:29 *** macejiko has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T11:36:57 *** ChrisH_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T11:37:22 *** chocko01_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T11:37:25 *** jzknight has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T11:38:38 the rankings seems a bit weird ... 2011-10-19T11:39:22 there are two guys at the top with negative skills ! 2011-10-19T11:41:11 *** macejiko has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T11:41:26 *** DaOak has left #aichallenge 2011-10-19T11:41:29 *** zzz__ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T11:41:40 *** JSharpe_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T11:42:09 *** JSharpe has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T11:42:33 chocko01_: I think that just happens temporarily when they just submitted their first code 2011-10-19T11:42:58 i was at the very top for 1 minute before my first code had run 2011-10-19T11:43:21 @rankings 2011-10-19T11:43:32 amstan: Error: There was a problem accessing the interface to ai-contest.com 2011-10-19T11:43:36 :( 2011-10-19T11:43:46 oh.. nvm, it is slow 2011-10-19T11:45:30 *** ChrisH_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T11:51:06 *** Blkt has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T11:53:16 *** zzz__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T11:53:33 *** dvladim has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T11:54:08 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2011-10-19T11:54:25 *** Harpyon has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T11:58:57 *** mattfedd has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T12:00:28 *** tilarids has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T12:02:12 Hi. I can't find a schedule on the site. It seems it's also the most frequently asked question: when the contest ends? 2011-10-19T12:02:47 2-3 moonths after it has started 2011-10-19T12:02:51 -o 2011-10-19T12:04:15 And whent it has started? 2011-10-19T12:05:06 iz hasnt 2011-10-19T12:05:11 it* 2011-10-19T12:07:47 *** ChrisH_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T12:08:09 *** iris has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T12:08:52 how can I join the contest, it says new users can;t register 2011-10-19T12:09:08 sunmoon> http://213.88.39.97:2080/ TCP server 2011-10-19T12:10:52 sunmoon: The contest is about to leave beta and start for real, so I believe they have shutdown registration for the beta servers for now. I have heard rumors that they are going live any day now, so if you can't create an account today, check back tomorrow or the next day and maybe it will be open. 2011-10-19T12:10:54 sunmoon> 2081 coonection port 2011-10-19T12:11:21 thnaks 2011-10-19T12:11:48 have they announced yet the date when the final round is over? thank you! 2011-10-19T12:12:19 i don't think so. You are welcome. 2011-10-19T12:12:59 none of the official dates have been announced to my knowledge. 2011-10-19T12:13:53 *** blackwolf has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T12:14:02 *** loowl has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T12:14:40 *** PitomPi has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-10-19T12:14:40 @later tell amstan when someone logs in, i think it would be logical to open the "my profile" page instead of the front page 2011-10-19T12:14:40 mcstar: Ready to serve, my lord. 2011-10-19T12:16:34 *** Blkt has quit IRC (Quit: going home) 2011-10-19T12:16:37 sunmoon: you can register 2011-10-19T12:17:35 correct url http://aichallenge.org/ ? 2011-10-19T12:17:46 yes 2011-10-19T12:18:34 iris: janos? 2011-10-19T12:20:51 sunmoon, the link in the starter tutorial doesn't work, but you can click Sign Up from the front page 2011-10-19T12:21:05 got it, I am in :) 2011-10-19T12:21:35 *** someguy has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T12:21:59 *** ermau has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T12:22:20 hi, i have a quick question, when does the ant challenge end? 2011-10-19T12:22:27 Accoun: Hey you got it setup! Looks like it deadlocked again though. 2011-10-19T12:23:07 mleise: look, they stopped asking when will it start, instead they want to know when it ends, isnt life full of wonders? 2011-10-19T12:23:25 meaning, when is the last day for submissions for the ant challenge? 2011-10-19T12:24:12 http://www.ai-contest.com/ v/s http://aichallenge.org ? which one is correct? 2011-10-19T12:24:23 mleise: have you seen server statistics lately? 2011-10-19T12:24:49 mcstar: no, do you mean that special php page for the statistics? 2011-10-19T12:24:53 yes 2011-10-19T12:25:00 people are registering at an alarming rate 2011-10-19T12:25:16 some russian site published a tutorial even 2011-10-19T12:25:53 Don;t trust Domain Name:AICHALLENGE.ORG 2011-10-19T12:26:00 The Russians, can never wait for the offical release. -.- It was the same with Half-Life 2 ;) 2011-10-19T12:26:16 yeah, i had a 0-day software joke too 2011-10-19T12:26:21 Admin Email:aichallenge.org@safewhois.ca 2011-10-19T12:26:33 sunmoon: whats the problem? 2011-10-19T12:26:37 AICHALLENGE.ORG is not even owned by Google 2011-10-19T12:26:45 why should it be? 2011-10-19T12:26:53 sunmoon: yeah thats correct 2011-10-19T12:27:09 why AICHALLENGE.ORG's owner is using Privacy service? 2011-10-19T12:27:11 This challenge is *sponsored* by Google. We are not part of Google 2011-10-19T12:27:33 and the front site clearly states: "Hi, we are still in beta " 2011-10-19T12:28:27 may be I am paranoid 2011-10-19T12:28:44 now *sponsored* betwin stars? 2011-10-19T12:28:47 *** Faraday__ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T12:28:55 *Accoun* 2011-10-19T12:29:02 look what i did to your name 2011-10-19T12:29:07 lihiqerhoaehrohaerghoéiaerhgozhiaeroghaeroigoùaerhgaerohigaemorhghuaerghaerhgr 2011-10-19T12:29:07 lihiqerhoaehrohaerghoéiaerhgozhiaeroghaeroigoùaerhgaerohigaemorhghuaerghaerhgr 2011-10-19T12:29:07 lihiqerhoaehrohaerghoéiaerhgozhiaeroghaeroigoùaerhgaerohigaemorhghuaerghaerhgr 2011-10-19T12:29:07 lihiqerhoaehrohaerghoéiaerhgozhiaeroghaeroigoùaerhgaerohigaemorhghuaerghaerhgr 2011-10-19T12:29:08 lihiqerhoaehrohaerghoéiaerhgozhiaeroghaeroigoùaerhgaerohigaemorhghuaerghaerhgr 2011-10-19T12:29:09 lihiqerhoaehrohaerghoéiaerhgozhiaeroghaeroigoùaerhgaerohigaemorhghuaerghaerhgr 2011-10-19T12:29:09 lihiqerhoaehrohaerghoéiaerhgozhiaeroghaeroigoùaerhgaerohigaemorhghuaerghaerhgr 2011-10-19T12:29:09 lihiqerhoaehrohaerghoéiaerhgozhiaeroghaeroigoùaerhgaerohigaemorhghuaerghaerhgr 2011-10-19T12:29:09 lihiqerhoaehrohaerghoéiaerhgozhiaeroghaeroigoùaerhgaerohigaemorhghuaerghaerhgr 2011-10-19T12:29:10 lihiqerhoaehrohaerghoéiaerhgozhiaeroghaeroigoùaerhgaerohigaemorhghuaerghaerhgr 2011-10-19T12:29:10 lihiqerhoaehrohaerghoéiaerhgozhiaeroghaeroigoùaerhgaerohigaemorhghuaerghaerhgr 2011-10-19T12:29:10 lihiqerhoaehrohaerghoéiaerhgozhiaeroghaeroigoùaerhgaerohigaemorhghuaerghaerhgr 2011-10-19T12:29:11 lihiqerhoaehrohaerghoéiaerhgozhiaeroghaeroigoùaerhgaerohigaemorhghuaerghaerhgr 2011-10-19T12:29:11 lihiqerhoaehrohaerghoéiaerhgozhiaeroghaeroigoùaerhgaerohigaemorhghuaerghaerhgr 2011-10-19T12:29:18 :D 2011-10-19T12:29:21 it realy sponsored or only *sponsored* 2011-10-19T12:29:29 lihiqerhoaehrohaerghoéiaerhgozhiaeroghaeroigoùaerhgaerohigaemorhghuaerghaerhgr 2011-10-19T12:29:29 lihiqerhoaehrohaerghoéiaerhgozhiaeroghaeroigoùaerhgaerohigaemorhghuaerghaerhgr 2011-10-19T12:29:29 lihiqerhoaehrohaerghoéiaerhgozhiaeroghaeroigoùaerhgaerohigaemorhghuaerghaerhgr 2011-10-19T12:29:30 lihiqerhoaehrohaerghoéiaerhgozhiaeroghaeroigoùaerhgaerohigaemorhghuaerghaerhgr 2011-10-19T12:29:31 lihiqerhoaehrohaerghoéiaerhgozhiaeroghaeroigoùaerhgaerohigaemorhghuaerghaerhgr 2011-10-19T12:29:31 lihiqerhoaehrohaerghoéiaerhgozhiaeroghaeroigoùaerhgaerohigaemorhghuaerghaerhgr 2011-10-19T12:29:33 lihiqerhoaehrohaerghoéiaerhgozhiaeroghaeroigoùaerhgaerohigaemorhghuaerghaerhgr 2011-10-19T12:29:33 sponsored 2011-10-19T12:29:33 lihiqerhoaehrohaerghoéiaerhgozhiaeroghaeroigoùaerhgaerohigaemorhghuaerghaerhgr 2011-10-19T12:29:38 fx/fxparam/fxvolscreen/h/cu_vol_tree.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/fxvolscreen/h/cu_voltree.r" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/fxvolscreen/h/cu_covol.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/fxvolscreen/h/cu_volsurface.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/fxvolscreen/h/cu_volscreen.fwd.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/fxvolscreen/h/cu_vol_premium_spreads.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/fxvolscreen/h/cu_vol_realtime.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/fxvolscreen/h/cu_vol_co 2011-10-19T12:29:40 fx/fxparam/fxvolscreen/h/cu_vol_tree.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/fxvolscreen/h/cu_voltree.r" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/fxvolscreen/h/cu_covol.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/fxvolscreen/h/cu_volsurface.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/fxvolscreen/h/cu_volscreen.fwd.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/fxvolscreen/h/cu_vol_premium_spreads.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/fxvolscreen/h/cu_vol_realtime.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/fxvolscreen/h/cu_vol_co 2011-10-19T12:29:43 fx/fxparam/fxvolscreen/h/cu_vol_tree.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/fxvolscreen/h/cu_voltree.r" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/fxvolscreen/h/cu_covol.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/fxvolscreen/h/cu_volsurface.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/fxvolscreen/h/cu_volscreen.fwd.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/fxvolscreen/h/cu_vol_premium_spreads.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/fxvolscreen/h/cu_vol_realtime.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/fxvolscreen/h/cu_vol_co 2011-10-19T12:29:50 aarossig: 2011-10-19T12:29:50 he mad 2011-10-19T12:29:56 #include #include #include #include //spb #include "lib/bo/spb/h/spb_pub.h" #include "lib/bo/spb/h/spb_util.h" #include "lib/common/mxstd/h/mx_md.h" #include "lib/dictionary/marketdata/h/dctmkt_gen.h" #include "lib/fx/dbk/h/dbk_ext.h" //fx param commands, constants #include "lib/fx/fxparam/h/cu_cmd.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/h/cu_cst.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/h/cu_eu.h" #include 2011-10-19T12:29:57 is there some problem with the replays? 2011-10-19T12:29:58 #include #include #include #include //spb #include "lib/bo/spb/h/spb_pub.h" #include "lib/bo/spb/h/spb_util.h" #include "lib/common/mxstd/h/mx_md.h" #include "lib/dictionary/marketdata/h/dctmkt_gen.h" #include "lib/fx/dbk/h/dbk_ext.h" //fx param commands, constants #include "lib/fx/fxparam/h/cu_cmd.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/h/cu_cst.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/h/cu_eu.h" #include 2011-10-19T12:29:59 #include #include #include #include //spb #include "lib/bo/spb/h/spb_pub.h" #include "lib/bo/spb/h/spb_util.h" #include "lib/common/mxstd/h/mx_md.h" #include "lib/dictionary/marketdata/h/dctmkt_gen.h" #include "lib/fx/dbk/h/dbk_ext.h" //fx param commands, constants #include "lib/fx/fxparam/h/cu_cmd.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/h/cu_cst.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/h/cu_eu.h" #include 2011-10-19T12:30:00 #include #include #include #include //spb #include "lib/bo/spb/h/spb_pub.h" #include "lib/bo/spb/h/spb_util.h" #include "lib/common/mxstd/h/mx_md.h" #include "lib/dictionary/marketdata/h/dctmkt_gen.h" #include "lib/fx/dbk/h/dbk_ext.h" //fx param commands, constants #include "lib/fx/fxparam/h/cu_cmd.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/h/cu_cst.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/h/cu_eu.h" #include 2011-10-19T12:30:03 #include #include #include #include //spb #include "lib/bo/spb/h/spb_pub.h" #include "lib/bo/spb/h/spb_util.h" #include "lib/common/mxstd/h/mx_md.h" #include "lib/dictionary/marketdata/h/dctmkt_gen.h" #include "lib/fx/dbk/h/dbk_ext.h" //fx param commands, constants #include "lib/fx/fxparam/h/cu_cmd.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/h/cu_cst.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/h/cu_eu.h" #include 2011-10-19T12:30:06 #include #include #include #include //spb #include "lib/bo/spb/h/spb_pub.h" #include "lib/bo/spb/h/spb_util.h" #include "lib/common/mxstd/h/mx_md.h" #include "lib/dictionary/marketdata/h/dctmkt_gen.h" #include "lib/fx/dbk/h/dbk_ext.h" //fx param commands, constants #include "lib/fx/fxparam/h/cu_cmd.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/h/cu_cst.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/h/cu_eu.h" #include 2011-10-19T12:30:06 #include #include #include #include //spb #include "lib/bo/spb/h/spb_pub.h" #include "lib/bo/spb/h/spb_util.h" #include "lib/common/mxstd/h/mx_md.h" #include "lib/dictionary/marketdata/h/dctmkt_gen.h" #include "lib/fx/dbk/h/dbk_ext.h" //fx param commands, constants #include "lib/fx/fxparam/h/cu_cmd.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/h/cu_cst.h" #include "lib/fx/fxparam/h/cu_eu.h" #include 2011-10-19T12:30:13 wtf 2011-10-19T12:30:45 Accoun: mleise meant, google sponsors the contest, it does not own it 2011-10-19T12:31:46 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Zannick 2011-10-19T12:31:51 mcstar: what's up with the replays? seems like i can't watch any past games 2011-10-19T12:31:52 Zannick: ah 2011-10-19T12:32:08 *** Zannick changes topic to "AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org (amstan) || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge (amstan)" 2011-10-19T12:32:08 if something like google sponsor somethink like canada it mean google own it 2011-10-19T12:32:10 Zannick: you rejoined? 2011-10-19T12:32:20 mcstar: hm? 2011-10-19T12:32:20 *** someguy has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T12:32:25 been here? 2011-10-19T12:32:25 mattfedd: how can I help? what happens? errors? blank screens? 2011-10-19T12:32:34 yeah 2011-10-19T12:32:37 *** Zannick sets mode: -o Zannick 2011-10-19T12:32:40 did you see Faraday__ ? 2011-10-19T12:32:50 maybe you should kick him 2011-10-19T12:32:54 or whatever 2011-10-19T12:32:58 i see a big red table, with a list of error codes, and it says "index size err" 2011-10-19T12:33:01 *** dude__ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T12:33:15 mcstar: not until just now 2011-10-19T12:33:18 mleise: try any game replays it is totally screwed 2011-10-19T12:33:19 he seems to have stopped 2011-10-19T12:33:34 k 2011-10-19T12:33:39 mattfedd: I have an idea that an old version of a gfx is in your browsers cache. mind relaoding the page bypassing the cache or clearing it? 2011-10-19T12:33:50 ok will do 2011-10-19T12:34:03 it only worck in crome 2011-10-19T12:34:09 and opera 2011-10-19T12:34:19 not im my opera 2011-10-19T12:34:30 *** AndrewBC has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T12:35:00 that worked, thanks 2011-10-19T12:35:03 and firefox works as well for me 2011-10-19T12:35:08 or mine 2011-10-19T12:35:27 works in a pristine browser 2011-10-19T12:35:48 if i clear my cache, my porn will load much slower, i like to revisit sites 2011-10-19T12:36:18 then use ctrl+shift+r or whatever makes your browser reload bypassing the cache ;) 2011-10-19T12:36:31 logout 2011-10-19T12:36:52 quit 2011-10-19T12:36:55 kill 2011-10-19T12:37:12 *** dude__ has left #aichallenge 2011-10-19T12:37:58 *** mattfedd has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T12:38:01 dude__ is in the year 3251 and tries to exit his voice controlled car 2011-10-19T12:38:25 it worked, be forgot to say slash first though 2011-10-19T12:38:29 mleise: in chromium? 2011-10-19T12:38:38 c s r didnt help 2011-10-19T12:39:16 http://wizards.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1920/~/how-to-bypass-your-browser-cache. 2011-10-19T12:39:27 *** Mac has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T12:39:38 hello 2011-10-19T12:40:10 interesting, ctrl + menu reload works too 2011-10-19T12:40:13 maybe they have no option for that, but you can load up the debugging tools then click on the cog wheel in the lower-right and disable the cache 2011-10-19T12:40:27 mleise: but what happened? 2011-10-19T12:40:37 what was old in the cache? 2011-10-19T12:40:38 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T12:40:38 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-10-19T12:40:52 mcstar: The button graphics for the tool bar 2011-10-19T12:41:13 did you figure this from the error message? 2011-10-19T12:41:28 *** codehotter has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T12:41:29 *** eo has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T12:41:47 How are the ratings calculated? 2011-10-19T12:42:02 I had a feeling before, but yes. INDEX_ERROR happened to me before when I wasn't paying atention to image sizes in my code. 2011-10-19T12:42:26 just thought I'd pop in to mention that the link to the signup form on the quickstart page still points to the old signup form 2011-10-19T12:42:32 idk if anyone in here can do anything about that 2011-10-19T12:43:07 amstan, janzert: ^ 2011-10-19T12:43:36 Is program speed a significant advantage when making a bot? i.e. would it be better to use c++ instead of python, even though I'm way more experienced with python? 2011-10-19T12:44:55 *** onensora has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T12:45:01 mleise: cute robot 2011-10-19T12:45:20 if I were you I'd do it in python first since it's what I know, and then if speed is a problem port either refactor hot spots, and if all else fails port the algorithm to something else, Harpyon 2011-10-19T12:45:54 mcstar: that's my l33t monochrome pixel art skill 2011-10-19T12:46:11 mleise: hmm? 2011-10-19T12:46:31 oh.. signup 2011-10-19T12:46:34 AndrewBC, good stuff. Thanks 2011-10-19T12:46:43 the signin link points to the old page as well 2011-10-19T12:47:13 as does "Upload your code" 2011-10-19T12:48:34 *** kronos has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T12:49:29 Harpyon: speed matters, but if you make your AI's algorith better that's almost always going to be a bigger win. Program the way you are the most creative. 2011-10-19T12:49:34 mleise: do you develop the visiualizer? 2011-10-19T12:49:40 When will the contest start ? 2011-10-19T12:50:00 amstan: http://aichallenge.org/starting_your_own.php should be replaces by http://aichallenge.org/ants_tutorial.php 2011-10-19T12:50:08 *** avdg has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T12:50:22 mcstar: i'm not touching that, mcleopold's doing that 2011-10-19T12:50:28 i.e. "Starting Your Own" with "Climbing the Rankings" 2011-10-19T12:50:33 ok 2011-10-19T12:50:37 but signup i can fix 2011-10-19T12:50:49 ChrisH_: Yes, I change my name from Frontier to mleise. 2011-10-19T12:51:42 mleise: Ok. I just wanted to say that the new feature for getting a bot's input stream is killer. That is a very nice addition. Thanks. 2011-10-19T12:51:43 oh, you are Frontier 2011-10-19T12:53:00 technically, his name was always m.leise 2011-10-19T12:54:10 *** Mac has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T12:54:14 *** Faraday__ has left #aichallenge 2011-10-19T12:54:15 sigh.. http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/lhlt9/googles_ai_challenge/ 2011-10-19T12:55:02 ChrisH_: thx 2011-10-19T12:55:31 amstan: why is that a sigh? 2011-10-19T12:55:51 need moar upboats! 2011-10-19T12:56:01 because we didn't launch! 2011-10-19T12:56:22 * mleise smiles and thinks it comes from the URL change. 2011-10-19T12:56:22 amstan: I'm an /r/programming mod, do you want I should take it down for now? 2011-10-19T12:56:28 many joined form USA and Canada too recently 2011-10-19T12:56:37 eo: i pmd the op, that would be nice though 2011-10-19T12:56:51 people are used to google beta launches ;( 2011-10-19T12:58:44 amstan: alright, I removed it, and I'm also PMing the OP now 2011-10-19T12:58:58 thanks 2011-10-19T12:59:44 *** ChrisH_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T13:01:22 *** mattfedd has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T13:02:40 So uh, how are the rankings calculated? I understand how the scores are calculated during a game, but how are those scores used to determine the rankings? 2011-10-19T13:03:13 *** xathis_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T13:03:21 *** eo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T13:03:32 codehotter, it uses Elo ranking 2011-10-19T13:03:59 Unmodified Elo? I thought Elo was for pairwise comparisons... do you have some more information than that?\ 2011-10-19T13:04:21 No, I just saw a notice on the site somewhere, trying to find it again 2011-10-19T13:06:00 *** xathis has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-19T13:06:32 its uses trueskill 2011-10-19T13:07:00 *** wastinger has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T13:07:40 https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/wiki 2011-10-19T13:09:13 Ouch, trueskill. 2011-10-19T13:09:18 *** Siretu has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T13:09:42 would you accept an implementation of WHR if I send you one? I've been meaning to implement that for a while now and didn't have any good use for it. 2011-10-19T13:09:46 *** SalmanPK has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T13:10:22 *** notsonerdysunny has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T13:10:45 never mind, it's not suitable here ^_^ 2011-10-19T13:11:06 *** eo has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T13:11:16 found forum thread discussing various systems 2011-10-19T13:11:57 *** kronos has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-10-19T13:12:23 there are a few languages like clojure for which there is neither a zip file available nor is there any info in the info column .. what could this mean? does it mean it won't be available? 2011-10-19T13:12:50 *** InsaneMalkavian_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T13:13:56 notsonerdysunny, perhaps it means that the server supports it, but there is no starter package? 2011-10-19T13:14:31 https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/tree/epsilon/ants/dist/starter_bots/clojure 2011-10-19T13:14:42 *** jcdny has left #aichallenge ("Leaving") 2011-10-19T13:14:58 *** jcdny has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T13:15:37 *** KJ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T13:16:03 *** KJ is now known as Guest54685 2011-10-19T13:17:50 *** Guest54685 has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-19T13:18:01 thanks mcstar 2011-10-19T13:18:12 can someone with an account comment that it's still a beta? http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3129716 2011-10-19T13:18:20 *** eo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T13:18:28 but I am still curious as to why they are not available for download as zip file... though.. 2011-10-19T13:18:29 http://aichallenge.org/starter_packages/clojure_starter_package.zip 2011-10-19T13:18:49 man i'm fast as lightning 2011-10-19T13:18:49 amstan: twymer did 2011-10-19T13:19:52 mleise: girls say you that? 2011-10-19T13:20:18 "that's what she said"? 2011-10-19T13:20:21 :D 2011-10-19T13:20:48 *** rprime has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-10-19T13:21:07 notsonerdysunny: The clojure starter package is out-dated, it doesn't support hills. you can probably add that yourself though. 2011-10-19T13:21:58 that said it probably still works as long as you don't care for where the hills are ^^ 2011-10-19T13:24:27 oh ic thanks mleise 2011-10-19T13:24:29 *** jumbo has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T13:25:17 *** jumbo has left #aichallenge 2011-10-19T13:28:08 Hey, I'm trying to get a working starting package but no matter which one I pick, I don't get all the stuff 2011-10-19T13:28:26 The maps are missing, as well as some of the tools 2011-10-19T13:28:46 Siretu: tools are packaged separately 2011-10-19T13:29:07 Is the C package completed yet? 2011-10-19T13:29:11 Sigh 2011-10-19T13:29:13 I found the link now 2011-10-19T13:29:24 I see it now 2011-10-19T13:29:27 Thanks 2011-10-19T13:29:39 aichallenge: Alexandru Stan * r70b717c / (5 files): changed all the ai-contests to aichallenge - http://git.io/q40Z6Q 2011-10-19T13:31:11 *** jewel_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T13:37:02 well, i hope there's no more weird links now 2011-10-19T13:39:52 mleise: lol, you were sneaky with that eclipse_projects 2011-10-19T13:39:58 mleise: it looks neat though 2011-10-19T13:40:52 I wonder how microsoft extended trueskill to be applicable for multiplayer games 2011-10-19T13:41:08 and I wonder if WHR/bayeselo can be generalized to n-player games 2011-10-19T13:41:25 *** jewel_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T13:41:39 yeah, we looked a bunch of times at it, we ended up with trueskill because there were quite a few libraries made already 2011-10-19T13:41:44 we didn't want to fiddle with it too much 2011-10-19T13:41:44 *** tim____ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T13:41:51 (even though we had to change them a few times) 2011-10-19T13:41:58 *** tim____ has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-19T13:45:15 yeah 2011-10-19T13:45:24 pragmatism wins over idealism any day 2011-10-19T13:46:24 *** _will_sell_5_BTC <_will_sell_5_BTC!~1@static-213-88-39-97.chebnet.ru> has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T13:46:53 *** Accoun_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T13:47:02 *** Accoun has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-19T13:47:14 *** eo has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T13:48:24 *** lurbina has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-19T13:49:09 aichallenge: Alexandru Stan * rd8babfc / (website/register.php website/submit.php): removed stuff about finals when submissions closed. - http://git.io/oNKY_g 2011-10-19T13:51:09 aichallenge: Alexandru Stan * r2384271 / website/register.php : removed funny warning about CSC. based on http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3130223 - http://git.io/6VV4DQ 2011-10-19T13:51:10 hmm, what happened with the forums? 2011-10-19T13:51:17 Submissions closed now? 2011-10-19T13:51:36 * amstan kicks CIA-24 2011-10-19T13:51:37 ow 2011-10-19T13:51:51 ermau: they were supposed to be closed 2011-10-19T13:51:56 ah 2011-10-19T13:52:06 avdg: forums... yes.. let me get on that, use ai-contest.com/forums 2011-10-19T13:52:12 avdg: only the link is diff 2011-10-19T13:52:32 hmm, I just got an account 2011-10-19T13:54:12 avdg: sorry about that, you can still work on your bot locally, just submit tomorrow 2011-10-19T13:54:27 ah 2011-10-19T13:54:45 I'm just exploring the tools atm, so its not that bad 2011-10-19T13:55:00 *** tusharg has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T13:55:14 avdg: well, let us know if you're finding stuff ok 2011-10-19T13:55:33 *** notsonerdysunny has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T13:55:41 will do 2011-10-19T13:55:46 *** Serg_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T13:55:49 *** jakub has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T13:56:38 *** Vivitron has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T13:57:08 *** cirno_the_greate has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T13:57:34 hi folks, I would like to code in Haskell, is there any unofficial starter kit? 2011-10-19T13:57:44 *** Ch00k has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T13:57:52 hey 2011-10-19T13:57:57 search at forum yields only kits for previous year 2011-10-19T13:58:11 why is the registration closed? is it forever? 2011-10-19T13:58:14 cirno_the_greate: this guy has something, but it probably doesn't handle hills: https://github.com/qacek/ants-haskell 2011-10-19T13:58:23 Ch00k: nope, just till tomorrow, when the contest actually starts 2011-10-19T13:58:36 oh 2011-10-19T13:58:42 *** tusharg has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-19T13:59:09 *** Serg_ has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-19T13:59:12 what will happen when the contest finishes? will there be another one? 2011-10-19T13:59:14 amstan: thanks, that's anyway better than nothing ;) 2011-10-19T13:59:32 cirno_the_greate: i'm going to go check why it's not on the main site now, it should have been 2011-10-19T13:59:38 Where can I find the relevant dates for the contest? I didn't know it started tomorrrow! 2011-10-19T13:59:42 wow, I registered today :) 2011-10-19T13:59:44 Ch00k: hopefully there's always going to be another one 2011-10-19T13:59:58 Ch00k: we're just lazy and sometimes take forever to release them 2011-10-19T14:00:09 amstan: yep, that would be awesome, because i think Haskell pretty popular for such things 2011-10-19T14:00:14 how many have there already been? 2011-10-19T14:00:52 was there a contest before tron? 2011-10-19T14:00:52 *** Lurchi has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T14:01:01 afaik, this is third. 2011-10-19T14:01:04 amstan: how long contest will last? 2011-10-19T14:01:08 tron, planet wars and this - ats 2011-10-19T14:01:12 till december? 2011-10-19T14:01:19 there were older ones that were smaller 2011-10-19T14:01:21 cirno_the_greate: a few month, probably till dec 2011-10-19T14:01:35 good 2011-10-19T14:01:39 *** FusionX has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T14:02:03 and last lazy question, testing environment works under windows? 2011-10-19T14:02:21 just my laptop for work runs under win7 2011-10-19T14:02:21 cirno_the_greate: it should be working 2011-10-19T14:02:30 okay 2011-10-19T14:02:30 you'll need python though 2011-10-19T14:02:33 thanks :-) 2011-10-19T14:02:36 i have it already 2011-10-19T14:02:49 why is account creation closed? 2011-10-19T14:02:54 can I still get an account, please? 2011-10-19T14:03:07 FusionX: "The contest will start tomorrow(Oct 20). You will not be able to submit bots yet. You can start working on your bot by downloading a starter package and the tools." 2011-10-19T14:03:21 While setting up I found a couple rough patches on the website, where should I report them? 2011-10-19T14:03:38 so the answer is, yes, you can still get an account, but you have to get it tomorrow (or later) : ) 2011-10-19T14:03:40 maybe we should put something in the topic 2011-10-19T14:03:45 amstan: it says that account will be reset when the contest starts 2011-10-19T14:03:48 @topic add Contest starts tomorrow, please be patient while we do the final touches. 2011-10-19T14:03:48 *** contestbot changes topic to "AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org (amstan) || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge (amstan) || Contest starts tomorrow, please be patient while we do the final touches. (amstan)" 2011-10-19T14:03:56 *** ChrisH_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T14:04:09 amstan: also, I would like to make few posters for university, is there any templates? 2011-10-19T14:04:09 *** Arukim has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T14:04:23 *** foobar_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T14:04:26 cirno_the_greate: that's cool, unfortunately we don't have any 2011-10-19T14:04:57 "Be aware we will also be doing an account reset when the contest goes live. So you will need to recreate your account after the contest launches." 2011-10-19T14:05:01 Rule changes? 2011-10-19T14:05:04 *changed 2011-10-19T14:05:18 FusionX: it's not a rule, it's just a thing about beta 2011-10-19T14:05:33 FusionX: we're going to be reinstalling the server when the contest starts, we want to start clean 2011-10-19T14:05:42 oh, alright :) 2011-10-19T14:05:50 FusionX: feel free to work on your bot in the meantime 2011-10-19T14:06:22 I'm just a beginner in programming though, don't know if I can do much. 2011-10-19T14:06:43 FusionX: there was a tutorial somewhere, hang on 2011-10-19T14:06:55 What timezome are you guys adhering to? 2011-10-19T14:07:05 timezone* 2011-10-19T14:07:17 wastinger: by starting, it will probably be a random hour, so it's not relevant 2011-10-19T14:07:47 i'm in EST, but others have other timezones 2011-10-19T14:08:02 Ok nevermind then! 2011-10-19T14:08:05 FusionX: https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/wiki/Ants-Tutorial 2011-10-19T14:08:27 *** maverick has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T14:08:33 *** tobiassjosten has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T14:08:37 FusionX: better link: http://aichallenge.org/ants_tutorial.php 2011-10-19T14:08:47 can some tell me the deadline for the contest 2011-10-19T14:08:49 Does anyone know if the registration will come up shortly? 2011-10-19T14:08:56 tobiassjosten: tomorrow 2011-10-19T14:08:56 amstan: thanks :D 2011-10-19T14:09:04 *** ikaros has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T14:09:04 maverick: about 2 months 2011-10-19T14:09:10 amstan: Ah, alright. Thanks. 2011-10-19T14:09:42 which distribution server runs? 2011-10-19T14:09:48 cirno_the_greate: ubuntu 11.04 2011-10-19T14:09:52 i would like to setup same VM 2011-10-19T14:09:53 *** foobar_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T14:09:54 hmm 2011-10-19T14:11:08 *** Ch00k has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T14:11:11 *** xathis_ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-19T14:11:48 *** mmmm has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T14:12:48 *** ascadian has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T14:12:52 *** testit has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T14:13:29 aichallenge: Alexandru Stan * r7c1c2c2 / INSTALL.md : added worker install instructions - http://git.io/26nbQQ 2011-10-19T14:13:34 *** aajap has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T14:14:43 I'm reading the focus battle resolution page and am wondering what the actual attack range will be?! 2011-10-19T14:14:54 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T14:15:17 wastinger: http://aichallenge.org/game_settings.php 2011-10-19T14:15:31 Ok thanks! 2011-10-19T14:15:55 website issues: http://aichallenge.org/starting_your_own.php still refers to fleets rather than ants; java visualization instructions at http://aichallenge.org/using_the_tools.php under "Watch Bots Fight" don't work as stated (missing a compile step?) 2011-10-19T14:16:49 Vivitron: starting_your_own is outdated, yes, still need to work on that 2011-10-19T14:16:59 *** Rya729 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T14:17:32 Vivitron: the java visualizer should work 2011-10-19T14:17:36 Vivitron: do you have the jar in there? 2011-10-19T14:17:47 *** Rya729 has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-19T14:18:21 no, hmm, I'll bet it's because I pulled from github rather than downloading a package 2011-10-19T14:18:39 yeah, cd ants/visualizer 2011-10-19T14:18:40 ant jar 2011-10-19T14:18:50 but you need to install a package or something 2011-10-19T14:18:52 *** maverick has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T14:18:55 it's complicated.. 2011-10-19T14:19:02 just get the compiled one from the zip 2011-10-19T14:19:19 *** mmmm has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T14:19:25 unless you really want to compile it 2011-10-19T14:19:26 all right, thanks. 2011-10-19T14:19:33 *** ChrisH_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T14:25:03 *** MagLite has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T14:25:18 good time of the day all 2011-10-19T14:25:39 *** boegel has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T14:26:39 I cant Sign in for some reason even though my account is activated. Anyway to reset password? 2011-10-19T14:26:45 amstan: Hi! Congratulations with start of this race. I hope there will be no unexpected headash to you during the contest. 2011-10-19T14:27:04 UncleVasya: well, there are, a few blogs posted that we launched already, but that's tomorrow 2011-10-19T14:27:10 if you smoke a head, there will be much headash 2011-10-19T14:27:40 MagLite: we haven't launched yet, don't worry if you can't sign in, submissions are closed 2011-10-19T14:27:57 MagLite: tomorrow we're going to do a server reset, so you'll have to register again 2011-10-19T14:27:58 I haven't seen these posts, I know about tomorrow from InsaneMalkavian. 2011-10-19T14:28:15 so there will be a chance for more ppl to register? 2011-10-19T14:28:18 UncleVasya: hacker news had it, some blog in russia, even reddit 2011-10-19T14:28:22 MagLite: of course! 2011-10-19T14:28:37 cool ppl at our forum are worried that signup closed 2011-10-19T14:28:38 amstan: hang in there, dont lose it 2011-10-19T14:28:44 imagona go bring joy 2011-10-19T14:28:54 right.. i should post an announcement there, forgot about it 2011-10-19T14:28:55 I don't read any of these :) 2011-10-19T14:29:03 *** chocko01_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T14:29:33 *** ikaros has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat) 2011-10-19T14:30:29 amstan: Can you prognose a an amount of hours left before accounts reseting? I wanna catch some cute very low id. I think low id is cool :D 2011-10-19T14:30:42 *** ztfw has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T14:30:47 haha :) 2011-10-19T14:30:54 i want one around 160 2011-10-19T14:30:54 ~26 +-3 2011-10-19T14:30:54 UncleVasya: nice ;) 2011-10-19T14:31:02 cause thats my IQ 2011-10-19T14:31:18 mensa member? 2011-10-19T14:31:22 thanks 2011-10-19T14:31:24 UncleVasya: i talked to InsaneMalkavian and he said you guys are writing a blog post about it 2011-10-19T14:31:47 UncleVasya: so you'll have the privilege of knowing a few minutes before the time comes 2011-10-19T14:32:26 but we'll do stuff from irc anyway, so people will know 2011-10-19T14:33:23 a month or so? 2011-10-19T14:33:23 how long will the contest last once open? 2011-10-19T14:33:30 december 2011-10-19T14:34:02 and are we allowed to use 3rdparty open source libs in our bots? (by adding their source code to the zip?) 2011-10-19T14:34:16 testit: yep, as long as it compiles 2011-10-19T14:34:39 testit: you can't use makefiles, so that might be a problem 2011-10-19T14:34:45 cool, will take a bit of build hacking but should be workable 2011-10-19T14:34:47 bah, need to adjust my PATH at windows system 2011-10-19T14:34:52 I use ocaml, which is built with ocamlbuild 2011-10-19T14:34:54 cirno_the_greate: oh yeah, fun stuff 2011-10-19T14:35:01 it's so big that i can bootstrap gcc, i think 2011-10-19T14:35:04 so it _should_ work to write a myocamlbuild.ml and _tags files for custom build steps? 2011-10-19T14:35:06 testit: s/makefile/any build system 2011-10-19T14:35:26 ah contest rules don't allow it? 2011-10-19T14:35:35 testit: they do, but we'll ignore them 2011-10-19T14:35:40 testit: we use this to compile things: https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/blob/epsilon/worker/compiler.py 2011-10-19T14:35:54 *** aeter has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T14:36:02 that one looks to run 'ocamlbuild MyBot.native', and thats fine that automatically looks for myocamlbuild.ml and _tags 2011-10-19T14:36:02 amstan: We are decided to write. No any work done yet. I will not have a time for it in about 22 hours from this moment. 2011-10-19T14:36:11 anyway just dropping source code 2011-10-19T14:36:14 into the dir should work 2011-10-19T14:36:18 don't really need a build sys 2011-10-19T14:36:19 yes 2011-10-19T14:36:39 ocaml's dynamic/interpreted isn't it? 2011-10-19T14:36:53 nope, its got a native compiler too 2011-10-19T14:36:58 and a bytecode compiler 2011-10-19T14:37:10 oh, there: "OCaml" : [["ocamlbuild -lib unix", BOT + ".native"]], 2011-10-19T14:37:22 testit: Me and Smiley1983 use ACaml too. Welcome to our band! :) 2011-10-19T14:37:24 thanks 2011-10-19T14:37:34 *** testit is now known as lightspeed 2011-10-19T14:37:37 *OCaml 2011-10-19T14:37:50 *** lightspeed is now known as lightspeed1 2011-10-19T14:37:51 ok :) 2011-10-19T14:38:07 UncleVasya: I've seen like 4-5 OCaml on the submissions page 2011-10-19T14:38:34 lightspeed1: My is the best now :P 2011-10-19T14:38:59 MagLite: you can link to this: http://ai-contest.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1499 2011-10-19T14:40:00 ty 2011-10-19T14:40:30 when we submit a new bot, will it remove old one? 2011-10-19T14:40:44 *** Oscar_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T14:40:46 or can we have all the bots race against others? 2011-10-19T14:41:09 *** Oscar_ is now known as Guest44391 2011-10-19T14:41:20 lightspeed1: only one entry at once 2011-10-19T14:41:22 if you want your bot to play against your other bot, you'll have to do that yourself 2011-10-19T14:41:30 using the provided tools 2011-10-19T14:41:34 or that ^ 2011-10-19T14:41:42 I mean if I submit 2 bots, will they both play against other player's bots, or only the last bot? 2011-10-19T14:42:05 your second submission will overwrite the first one 2011-10-19T14:42:10 ah ok 2011-10-19T14:42:13 *** dvladim has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-19T14:42:13 the first one will stop playing 2011-10-19T14:42:15 *** eo has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T14:42:15 but it won't reset my rank, right? 2011-10-19T14:42:25 it will 2011-10-19T14:42:43 but that's fine, you can always reupload your old version 2011-10-19T14:42:54 hmm ok, guess I'll have to test my bots locally against each other and submit only the one with the best strategy 2011-10-19T14:43:17 *** ikaros has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T14:43:26 lightspeed1: you can use the server for testing too, since you can submit multiple types over the course of 2 months 2011-10-19T14:43:48 theoretically, resubmitting the same bot shouldn't affect your ranking 2011-10-19T14:44:10 it will just take time to redetermine your rank 2011-10-19T14:44:15 ah and for the final results you'll rerun the final bots against eachother one more time, right? 2011-10-19T14:44:38 yes, the final tournament consists of a period where submissions are closed, but bots are still playing 2011-10-19T14:44:39 even if one submits the perfect bot 1s before closing :D 2011-10-19T14:44:44 exactly like the server state is now 2011-10-19T14:44:44 cool 2011-10-19T14:44:57 hmm I was able to submit a bot earlier today 2011-10-19T14:45:12 but the site acted weird, kept asking for my password 2011-10-19T14:45:31 maybe i was restarting apache when you were doing that 2011-10-19T14:45:54 Zannick: mysql seems to be doing much better compared to last contest, no restarts needed for it 2011-10-19T14:46:10 also no email about successful compilation 2011-10-19T14:46:11 amstan: cool 2011-10-19T14:46:15 do we get an email only on failed one? 2011-10-19T14:46:26 lightspeed1: where did you see the email stuff? 2011-10-19T14:46:37 in the getting started instructions somewhere 2011-10-19T14:46:41 ok 2011-10-19T14:46:42 it said that you'll get an email 2011-10-19T14:46:47 hold on let me find the page again 2011-10-19T14:46:53 i'm not sure what's happening this time, but i think we phased out compile emails 2011-10-19T14:47:07 you can find them on your profile page now 2011-10-19T14:47:13 i think the goal was to have that just shown on your profile page now, yeah 2011-10-19T14:47:45 *** Guest44391 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T14:48:32 *** heathkit has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T14:48:38 lightspeed1: Success: ready to play 2011-10-19T14:48:52 awww, account creation closed :( 2011-10-19T14:49:16 heathkit: yeah, too many eager people wanted to use beta 2011-10-19T14:49:21 amstan: yeah I've seen that, trying to find the page that says about email, but can't find it anymore 2011-10-19T14:49:31 lightspeed1: when did you read it? 2011-10-19T14:49:34 maybe it was the page after I uploaded the code 2011-10-19T14:49:44 let me go through them again 2011-10-19T14:49:45 lightspeed1: i just changed the faq yesterday, probably removed it 2011-10-19T14:49:59 well I first found out about this site a few hours ago :D 2011-10-19T14:50:30 ./aichallenge.wiki/Ants-Five-Minute-Quickstart-Guide.md:Once your account is created, you must activate it by clicking the link in the confirmation email. If you haven't received a confirmation email in your inbox after five minutes, check your junk mail folder. 2011-10-19T14:50:32 that ^? 2011-10-19T14:51:04 lightspeed1: or this: next five minutes you should receive an email letting you know whether or not 2011-10-19T14:51:12 yeah, ok, i'll keep it in mind 2011-10-19T14:51:51 yeah I think the "next five minutes" 2011-10-19T14:51:55 amstan: Do you have some good feeling in the chest? 2011-10-19T14:51:58 *** MagLite has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T14:52:06 UncleVasya: yeah, i'm excited 2011-10-19T14:52:50 has the ocaml starter package been tested? 2011-10-19T14:53:17 I've used the python one for the tutorial, going to try the tutorial steps using the ocaml starter tomorrow 2011-10-19T14:53:28 but well, it doesn't crash 2011-10-19T14:53:47 I just unzipped the package, ran "ocamlbuild MyBot.native" 2011-10-19T14:53:49 and got 2011-10-19T14:53:58 Error: No implementations provided for the following modules: 2011-10-19T14:54:08 Unix referenced from ants.cmx 2011-10-19T14:54:29 is that normal? 2011-10-19T14:54:37 ztfw: i'm not sure 2011-10-19T14:55:08 ztfw: he's the author: https://github.com/smiley1983/aichallenge 2011-10-19T14:55:26 UncleVasya: you know him, don't you? 2011-10-19T14:55:47 amstan: btw, our post will be on the Russian forum in Russian language. I said it just in case. To be sure we understand each other. 2011-10-19T14:56:01 UncleVasya: of course, that's fine 2011-10-19T14:56:17 UncleVasya: in Russian is enough 2011-10-19T14:56:39 mcstar: so you have an iq of 160? 2011-10-19T14:56:39 amstan: you are doing great job with this challenge, it's awesome. So sad that i have missed previous one 2011-10-19T14:57:02 Arukim: thanks! don't worry, there will be more 2011-10-19T14:57:22 amstan: No, I don't. We had few conversations here, that's all. 2011-10-19T14:57:45 UncleVasya: can you help ztfw with his error though? you said you were ocamling 2011-10-19T14:58:59 ztfw: Are you using Windows? 2011-10-19T14:59:01 amstan: i think it was 138 2011-10-19T14:59:05 no 2011-10-19T14:59:10 GNU/Linux 2011-10-19T14:59:11 sheldon has 160 from tbbt 2011-10-19T14:59:42 *** hobbes_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T15:00:00 hey does anyone know why account registration is closed? 2011-10-19T15:00:09 when did this contest start? 2011-10-19T15:00:12 it starts tomorrow ;-) 2011-10-19T15:00:14 *** aiguy has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T15:00:24 can i still sign up or did i miss it? 2011-10-19T15:00:37 tomorrow ;-) 2011-10-19T15:00:41 ztfw: Maybe my make-file can help you. 2011-10-19T15:00:43 hobbes_: you can sign up whenever's open 2011-10-19T15:00:45 ztfw: ocamlbuild -lib unix MyBot.native 2011-10-19T15:00:45 ocamlc -c Ants.ml 2011-10-19T15:00:48 ocamlc -c MyBot.ml 2011-10-19T15:00:48 ocamlc -o MyBot.exe Ants.cmo MyBot.cmo 2011-10-19T15:00:48 ohh ok, sounds good 2011-10-19T15:00:56 *** hobbes_ has left #aichallenge 2011-10-19T15:00:56 ztfw: thats what @amstan pasted earlier 2011-10-19T15:01:02 Is "sign in" not working? 2011-10-19T15:01:21 aiguy: the beta is closed. the contest proper will start tomorrow 2011-10-19T15:01:35 people dont read the topic anymore 2011-10-19T15:01:37 Thanks 2011-10-19T15:01:46 * avdg think that the notice needs more focus, so people will read it 2011-10-19T15:01:52 it should flash, and have boobs 2011-10-19T15:01:52 *** aiguy has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-19T15:02:12 UncleVasya, lightspeed1, thanks 2011-10-19T15:04:24 *** mintsoup has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T15:07:31 *** AndrewSmith has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T15:08:00 *** onensora has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-10-19T15:08:27 *** AndrewSmith has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-19T15:09:32 *** xunie-laptop has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T15:10:49 So, I was wondering. Is 'hiveminding' allowed? 2011-10-19T15:11:52 xunie-laptop: define that 2011-10-19T15:12:29 Sharing memory between ants, building a map of the world and letting ants communicate globally? 2011-10-19T15:12:59 In the "Starting your own Bot" page it mentions PlayGame.jar but in the tools I downloaded are all written in python and bash?! 2011-10-19T15:13:58 wastinger: see using the tools, the other page is out of date 2011-10-19T15:14:11 xunie-laptop: a player/bot controls its ants any way she may see fit 2011-10-19T15:14:19 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T15:14:25 Ok thanks! 2011-10-19T15:14:56 without communicating over network connections, or with coordinating with different players somehow 2011-10-19T15:15:34 mceier, awesome. 2011-10-19T15:15:56 ? 2011-10-19T15:16:00 tab-fail ? :P 2011-10-19T15:16:10 mcstar: yes 2011-10-19T15:16:15 :D 2011-10-19T15:16:15 *** onensora has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T15:19:41 *** jack has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T15:19:45 mcstar: This was your funniest joke! :) 2011-10-19T15:19:53 *** llooiicc has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T15:20:08 *** DrAlan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T15:20:13 *** jack is now known as Guest5630 2011-10-19T15:20:18 hi 2011-10-19T15:20:39 hm, im slipping than 2011-10-19T15:20:50 *** DrAlan is now known as DrAlan3 2011-10-19T15:20:56 hi 2011-10-19T15:20:58 Why am I not able to sign up now? Can anybody help me please? 2011-10-19T15:21:00 ^ ) 2011-10-19T15:21:09 Read the topic 2011-10-19T15:21:13 rtft 2011-10-19T15:21:14 *** codehotter has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T15:21:35 does "fine topic" make sense, 2011-10-19T15:21:41 ? 2011-10-19T15:21:55 *** Guest5630 has left #aichallenge 2011-10-19T15:22:13 as in "read the fine topic" yes :) 2011-10-19T15:23:00 *** cianc has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T15:23:36 Contest starts tomorrow, please be patient while we do the final touches. = Sorry, submissions are closed. ? 2011-10-19T15:23:50 *** haskeller has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T15:24:06 DrAlan3: the beta has closed. the contest does not start until tomorrow. 2011-10-19T15:24:21 thank 2011-10-19T15:24:44 this is probably a faq, but cant see it listed anywhere: are account creations closed for good? 2011-10-19T15:25:04 just until the contest launches 2011-10-19T15:25:15 sweet, thanks 2011-10-19T15:25:34 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Zannick 2011-10-19T15:26:19 *** samxan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T15:26:21 *** Zannick changes topic to "AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org (amstan) || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge (amstan) || Submissions and signups for the beta have closed. They will reopen when the contest starts tomorrow. Please be patient while we make the final touches. (amstan)" 2011-10-19T15:26:27 *** Zannick sets mode: -o Zannick 2011-10-19T15:26:46 *** paul-reiners has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T15:26:50 hope that helps 2011-10-19T15:27:08 *** DrAlan3 has quit IRC (Quit: bye bye) 2011-10-19T15:27:10 exit 2011-10-19T15:27:14 *** wastinger has left #aichallenge 2011-10-19T15:28:42 *** paul-reiners has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-19T15:29:48 *** cianc has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T15:32:13 *** lightspeed1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T15:38:01 *** fm_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T15:42:35 *** dd has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T15:42:42 *** fm_ has left #aichallenge 2011-10-19T15:45:38 *** nomad_man has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T15:45:49 1. Is the queue is going to be as long as as now during the official competition, or are you guys going to scale? 2. are the ants supposed to find other ants across water? 2011-10-19T15:45:58 s/find/fight/ 2011-10-19T15:46:27 1. We'll see, and 2. yes 2011-10-19T15:46:38 thanks :) 2011-10-19T15:46:48 There will be some more workers but there will also be more participants, so... 2011-10-19T15:48:30 <_flag> I'm surprised at the already gigantic number of entries 2011-10-19T15:48:37 <_flag> Was this posted somewhere recently? 2011-10-19T15:49:13 we've gotten a flood of users from russia so I assume something must have been posted 2011-10-19T15:49:24 yes 2011-10-19T15:49:24 yeah, some people posted the site to various places not realizing we hadn't launched yet 2011-10-19T15:50:23 we have 20000 visits already 2011-10-19T15:50:30 *** goutham has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T15:50:35 today 2011-10-19T15:50:44 *** loverl has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T15:50:56 it was on hacker news, that's how i saw it anyway 2011-10-19T15:51:08 and we're getting lots of web freenode traffic too 2011-10-19T15:51:13 hacker news and habrahabr.ru 2011-10-19T15:51:16 i'm guessing there's a link 2011-10-19T15:51:31 Zannick: that's for all the people that are joining irc and clicking links sent to the channel 2011-10-19T15:52:03 sounds like scooby dooby doo with a lisp 2011-10-19T15:52:05 i mean, on the site somewhere there's probably a link to this chatroom via freenode's web gateway 2011-10-19T15:54:27
How long until account creation is opened up? 2011-10-19T15:54:34 Yeah, there is. 2011-10-19T15:54:37 12 Pascal users. :D More than I hoped for already. 2011-10-19T15:55:05 Zannick: yes, menu has a link 2011-10-19T15:55:09 *** Accoun_ is now known as Accoun 2011-10-19T15:56:21 *** Arukim has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T15:57:46 dd: topic says 'tomorrow'... and waterloo is eastern time, so i guess somewhere between 8 and 32 hours from now 2011-10-19T15:57:56 24 2011-10-19T15:58:17 4pm? 2011-10-19T15:58:31 closer to midnight was the plan originally 2011-10-19T15:58:37 janzert: oh, ok 2011-10-19T15:58:44 we'll see how it works out though 2011-10-19T15:59:23
Thanks spaes. 2011-10-19T15:59:26 amstan: What default values I should make for thnigs like attack radius, view radius etc in testing application? 2011-10-19T15:59:32
& janzert 2011-10-19T15:59:44 UncleVasya: http://aichallenge.org/game_settings.php 2011-10-19T16:00:33 oh, sry. I looked into the game specification instead of this, 2011-10-19T16:02:38 UncleVasya: but do still check the actual values sent to your bot at the start of the game of course 2011-10-19T16:03:36 amstan: yep, there is two articles at habrahabr.ru 2011-10-19T16:04:02 And third is going to be. The best one. 2011-10-19T16:04:03 amstan there was a decent post http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/sport_programming/130722/ today plus a diff one about the event coule of days ago 2011-10-19T16:04:14 oh wait 2011-10-19T16:04:17 three articles 2011-10-19T16:04:18 :) 2011-10-19T16:04:24 cirno_the_greate: :) 2011-10-19T16:04:53 hmm, my ants are team killing 2011-10-19T16:05:07 ermau: ban the team killers! 2011-10-19T16:05:08 even though I'm checking passable and unoccupied 2011-10-19T16:05:27 *** Palmik has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-19T16:07:39 *** goutham has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T16:08:13 grr, we're 9th on hacker news right now :( 2011-10-19T16:08:27 ermau: Maybe you have few places in your code where you are issuing orders for ants but you check only in one place. 2011-10-19T16:08:33 by the time the contest is actually open we're going to have lost a bunch of people 2011-10-19T16:08:51 <_flag> Why not just not reset the accounts? 2011-10-19T16:08:55 janzert: yes, we should have closed earlier 2011-10-19T16:09:00 _flag: they'll get bored and leave though 2011-10-19T16:09:14 or not closed at all 2011-10-19T16:09:38 then they could have gotten the 5 minute starter satisfaction and more chance of sticking around 2011-10-19T16:10:41 janzert: if we leave it open, there's going to be more posts, like on reddit and such 2011-10-19T16:10:50 with the added benefit of weeding out a bunch of users that just only ever were going to submit a starter bot anyway ;) 2011-10-19T16:11:02 ahah, it doesn't track orders in progress.. 2011-10-19T16:11:25 *** itelichko has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T16:11:31 Me and InsaneMalkavian have been beaten: http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=37733&user=37 :) 2011-10-19T16:11:47 the real mistake is probably letting aichallenge.org pointing at the beta site 2011-10-19T16:11:59 got to easy to confuse people 2011-10-19T16:12:02 that's what jeff wanted 2011-10-19T16:12:09 yeah, I know 2011-10-19T16:12:33 hindsight, 20/20 and all that 2011-10-19T16:13:35 *** Forrest has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T16:13:40 h 2011-10-19T16:13:41 i 2011-10-19T16:14:05 UncleVasya: very interesting record, thanks, /me noted it 2011-10-19T16:15:07 *** dd has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T16:15:16 UncleVasya: You should immediately use the new BOT IN button to get bot input for your bot and debug it. 2011-10-19T16:15:44 The good news is the site seems to be handling the load just fine 2011-10-19T16:16:06 how long has the beta been out? 2011-10-19T16:16:17 *** dogon has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T16:16:19 mleise: BOT IN button? 2011-10-19T16:16:32 Forrest: since May, but only for 3 weeks in the current form 2011-10-19T16:16:44 shh... yeeees... the BOT IN button in the latest visualizer 2011-10-19T16:16:47 it is next to ctrl on us keyboard 2011-10-19T16:16:55 mcstar: :p 2011-10-19T16:17:10 Oh okay, is there any news for when the finished version will come out since it is presently in the beta? 2011-10-19T16:17:25 buttons are not displaying for me at all on the local visualiser, fyi. 2011-10-19T16:17:28 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2011-10-19T16:17:38 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T16:18:00 amstan: I think we should get the "starting your own" link out of the menu asap, any objection? 2011-10-19T16:18:05 *** aeter1 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T16:18:14 janzert: nope 2011-10-19T16:18:15 nomad_man: ok, thanks. can you give me some more details? 2011-10-19T16:18:26 There are several ways to visualize a game locally 2011-10-19T16:18:40 Why can't I register for the challenge? It says "Account Creation Closed" 2011-10-19T16:18:42 ? 2011-10-19T16:18:44 pretty sure that content has been completely replaced in new forms on other pages now anyway 2011-10-19T16:18:46 heh the visualizer just crashes with OOM for me eventually when running live 2011-10-19T16:18:49 *** chmielu has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T16:19:26 mleise: well, it runs plays the buttons actually work, but the tiles are not displayed for them ff 7.0.1 windows 2011-10-19T16:19:28 ermau: *g* sorry for that. and you probably didn't even use the fog of war, right? 2011-10-19T16:19:33 Hi, anybody knows wheter they will open registration or not? 2011-10-19T16:19:39 mleise: on and off 2011-10-19T16:19:42 chmielu, tomorrow 2011-10-19T16:19:42 aichallenge: janzert * rb13b0dd / website/menu.php : Remove link to old planetwars quickstart page - http://git.io/IV73ag 2011-10-19T16:19:51 ok, thanks 2011-10-19T16:20:02 mleise: if yo uare saying there is a new version of the visualiser, i'll redownload it 2011-10-19T16:20:07 mleise: and can let you know 2011-10-19T16:20:10 *** chmielu has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-19T16:20:13 chmielu, it has been in beta up until now, going live tomorrow. 2011-10-19T16:20:28 nomad_man: Does the same work online? Is it only an issue with local games? 2011-10-19T16:20:37 sweet, thanks for the answers guys, I appreciate it. 2011-10-19T16:20:40 Just curious, but is there a twitter account for this? That'd be something to follow. 2011-10-19T16:20:45 mleise: only local 2011-10-19T16:20:50 aichallenge: janzert * r2dd98a0 / website/starting_your_own.php : Remove old planetwars quickstart page - http://git.io/z7PWZw 2011-10-19T16:20:51 Does anybody know why the account creation is closed? 2011-10-19T16:21:04 *** asw has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T16:21:06 dogon: see topic or main page 2011-10-19T16:21:07 dogon: Read thetopic 2011-10-19T16:21:16 dogon: Because the contest will launch tomorrow 2011-10-19T16:21:17 what's the end date for the challenge? 2011-10-19T16:21:18 Where? 2011-10-19T16:21:25 @topic 2011-10-19T16:21:25 amstan: AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org (amstan) || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge (amstan) || Submissions and signups for the beta have closed. They will reopen when the contest starts tomorrow. Please be patient while we make the final touches. (amstan) 2011-10-19T16:21:26 can't find it listed on the website after a cursory examination 2011-10-19T16:21:27 Got it... 2011-10-19T16:21:36 *** aeter has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-19T16:21:38 asw: front page, first thing 2011-10-19T16:21:41 *** nekosune_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T16:21:45 asw: no firm date quite yet, probably middle of december 2011-10-19T16:21:47 ermau: Unfortunately the JavaScript inside Java I use for the visualizer adds an extra layer of indirection and consumes much more memory than necessary if it was a native compiled application. But it saved me from rewriting the code. 2011-10-19T16:22:09 mleise: The visualizer on the website runs way faster :P 2011-10-19T16:22:12 well so far, I have a lovely AI, it sits there, and does absolutely NOTHING 2011-10-19T16:22:23 nekosune_: good one 2011-10-19T16:22:24 ermau: Same reason ;) 2011-10-19T16:22:29 mleise: Though I suppose it's not running the actual game 2011-10-19T16:22:40 thanks. only just found the site, keen to have a try, checking I had time left to at least modify the starter packages a little 2011-10-19T16:22:42 no, it is only displaying a replay file 2011-10-19T16:22:55 hm 2011-10-19T16:23:00 mleise: wouldn't it be nicer if the tools package used the javascript visualizer from a standalone html page? 2011-10-19T16:23:09 it is supposed to be doing an A* search 2011-10-19T16:23:15 i saw yesterday, and someone else is telling me now, that aichallenge.org is in a redirect loop with beta.aichallenge.org 2011-10-19T16:23:24 but I cant figure how to debug when the python script is running this thing 2011-10-19T16:23:27 *** cirno_the_greate has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T16:23:29 i'm not experiencing it anymore, though 2011-10-19T16:23:32 Zannick: tell them to hard refresh 2011-10-19T16:23:32 mleise: was it sarcasm about new visualizer? i'm not seeing the button even if mouse overing 2011-10-19T16:23:36 mleise: Well ouch. I'd probably play with the tools some, but I'm a C# guy and wouldn't want to impose .NET/Mono on people 2011-10-19T16:24:12 amstan: The HTML visualizer is in the tools package 2011-10-19T16:24:15 I am using C# 2011-10-19T16:24:17 mleise: oh, ok then 2011-10-19T16:24:18 ah, that's what i did yesterday, right 2011-10-19T16:24:35 amstan: It just cannot show games live obviously 2011-10-19T16:24:56 Though I may take the C# sample and make it less like Java :P 2011-10-19T16:25:06 mleise: but the java one does? understood 2011-10-19T16:25:23 nekosune_: debug is complicated, since you have to communicate with it the same way the engine communicates with it 2011-10-19T16:25:39 where do i find that said debug? because i'm not seeing it :( 2011-10-19T16:25:40 nekosune_: make your bot save the stdin 2011-10-19T16:25:56 *** dogon has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T16:25:58 nomad_man: then start your debugger, execute your bot directly, and feed it the stdin manually 2011-10-19T16:25:58 nomad_man: I'll try FF 7 on my Linux computer and see if I can work around the problem. I would understand if the buttons on the *left* didn't show up, but the ones on the right and on the bottom should really show 2011-10-19T16:26:27 amstan: i had to modify the flags for the play one game to get teh stdin to the bot. 2011-10-19T16:26:39 nomad_man, nekosune_, amstan: The engine can already save stdin for you! 2011-10-19T16:26:57 It's just a flag, look at the usage information from playgame.py 2011-10-19T16:27:08 mleise: that's what i did 2011-10-19T16:27:17 mleise: only 2 buttons are showing alltogether 2011-10-19T16:27:54 amstan: right, the java one can do live replays, generate videos and convert replay files to stdin for bots on the command-line 2011-10-19T16:28:06 mleise: 2 on the right, zoomout being inactive and i think "focus"? button 2011-10-19T16:28:35 ah the center map button. so only inactive buttons show 2011-10-19T16:28:39 we are getting somewhere 2011-10-19T16:29:14 FF is notorious for new bugs. The best version is still FF 3, before the switch to quick releases 2011-10-19T16:30:04 *** Forrest has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T16:33:18 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2011-10-19T16:34:57 mleise: also the generate replay input button is not showing in the online version 2011-10-19T16:35:04 *** InsaneMalkavian has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T16:35:54 nomad_man: that's because we have to update it 2011-10-19T16:35:57 nomad_man: I tested FF 7.0.1 on Linux and the buttons all show up. I cannot reproduce the problem. 2011-10-19T16:36:32 nomad_man: Reload the page bypassing the browser cache. It should show up then. 2011-10-19T16:36:44 i see it! 2011-10-19T16:38:04 mleise: why do the bots recieve engine_seed? 2011-10-19T16:38:09 amstan: button is there but the image is not 2011-10-19T16:38:20 amstan: to seed the random generator if you want to replay 2011-10-19T16:38:31 mleise: https://minus.com/lmU9L7wjHCQDr 2011-10-19T16:38:34 amstan: I just moved everything that looks like a number into the output, to be future proof. 2011-10-19T16:38:42 that's player_seed 2011-10-19T16:38:57 what are the CPU limitations for bots? 2011-10-19T16:39:18 *** mehehe has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T16:39:22 Who should I talk to if I think there is an issue with the code on the site? 2011-10-19T16:39:32 loverl: see the code repository 2011-10-19T16:39:36 loverl: or put it here 2011-10-19T16:40:19 nomad_man: Is there a JavaScript console or error log that may give me a hint? 2011-10-19T16:41:27 mleise: give me 2 mins 2011-10-19T16:41:34 mleise: i mena 10 minutes 2011-10-19T16:41:40 mleise: i gotta go pickup a package 2011-10-19T16:42:19 and we're up to 31000 visits 2011-10-19T16:42:44 nomad_man: you need to restart windows for the change to take effect 2011-10-19T16:42:59 *** aeter1 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-10-19T16:43:10 janzert: definatelly more people than the launch last year 2011-10-19T16:43:12 amstan: is that unique hits or total requests? 2011-10-19T16:43:16 avdg: unique 2011-10-19T16:43:23 *** wfranck has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T16:43:30 nice 2011-10-19T16:43:37 * janzert is going to cry 2011-10-19T16:43:50 I hope a good number come back 2011-10-19T16:44:02 janzert: lol 2011-10-19T16:44:07 nomad_man: FF 7 uses a new rendering backand for Windows. This is probably why it works fine on Linux. 2011-10-19T16:44:13 *backend 2011-10-19T16:44:35 janzert: http://imgur.com/UaCRr 2011-10-19T16:44:47 has anyone looked into why specification page is broken? 2011-10-19T16:45:09 nice 2011-10-19T16:45:11 not me 2011-10-19T16:45:29 Thankyou 2011-10-19T16:45:37 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T16:46:19 *** boegel has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-10-19T16:46:24 mleise: okay i'm back, no package for me... i'm waiting for my whiteboard and was promissed delivery today, but nothing :() 2011-10-19T16:47:27 *** perryh- has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T16:47:29 mleise: [16:47:03.934] canvas: an attempt to set strokeStyle or fillStyle to a value that is neither a string, a CanvasGradient, or a CanvasPattern was ignored. @ file:///E:/Code/AI_challenge/tools/game_logs/replay.0.html 2011-10-19T16:48:19 *** yy has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T16:48:30 aha! 2011-10-19T16:48:30 *** djr_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T16:48:37 hmmm can you tell it to spend a certain time inbetween each turn? 2011-10-19T16:48:39 mleise: the rest is at :http://nopaste.info/7a54ef811d.html 2011-10-19T16:49:01 Hi, is account creation open? 2011-10-19T16:49:06 are signups currently closed for everyone? 2011-10-19T16:49:14 Hi, is account creation open? 2011-10-19T16:49:15 Hi, is account creation open? 2011-10-19T16:49:16 haha 2011-10-19T16:49:27 @topic 2011-10-19T16:49:27 janzert: AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org (amstan) || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge (amstan) || Submissions and signups for the beta have closed. They will reopen when the contest starts tomorrow. Please be patient while we make the final touches. (amstan) 2011-10-19T16:49:28 oh, it says in the top bar 2011-10-19T16:49:41 thanks 2011-10-19T16:49:47 thanks janzert! 2011-10-19T16:49:52 :) np 2011-10-19T16:50:01 what's that? a digital flash mob? 2011-10-19T16:52:06 *** mceier has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2011-10-19T16:52:55 nomad_man: They list a lot of code style hints. I think I'll work on those as well, they are no errors though. I wish there was a line number for the point 25. 2011-10-19T16:53:19 *** ruser has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T16:54:11 mleise: swthiching boxes here. this is nomad_man. This is hte reson i gave you the rest in separate link :) 2011-10-19T16:54:24 *** Vivitron has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-19T16:54:46 *** nomad_man has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T16:54:54 *** dideler_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T16:54:58 *** xathis has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T16:55:24 *** plumbium has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T16:55:25 ruser: I try FireFox 7 in wine. If that works I can hopefully reproduce the error 2011-10-19T16:56:19 *** plumbium has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-19T16:56:23 mleise: thanks for the effort. my laptop with linux is dead i'm stuck on win7 box 2011-10-19T16:56:29 *** wfranck has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T16:56:56 ruser: sorry, it still works 2011-10-19T16:57:18 mleise: :((( 2011-10-19T16:57:53 Found my problem, I wasnt expecting AntLoc to be destroyed and remade each turn 2011-10-19T16:58:16 nekosune_: c#? 2011-10-19T16:58:54 That may mean the problem is somewhere in Windows, DirectX or drivers. Or why else could the same FireFox binary work under wine, but not on Windows? 2011-10-19T16:59:09 yeah C# 2011-10-19T16:59:21 mleise: heads up it's missing hills information 2011-10-19T16:59:31 whops wrong person 2011-10-19T16:59:40 nekosune_: heads up it's missing hills information 2011-10-19T16:59:52 mleise: why inactive buttons would render though? :) 2011-10-19T16:59:54 it is? so I have to add that in myself? hmm 2011-10-19T17:00:15 nekosune_: it's easy 2011-10-19T17:00:16 ruser: Inactive buttons don't use shadows 2011-10-19T17:00:31 mleise: remove the shaddows? 2011-10-19T17:00:37 anyone know what the most common language used is for the competition? 2011-10-19T17:00:53 common lisp 2011-10-19T17:00:58 mcstar: really? 2011-10-19T17:01:07 ruser: Just for you?! if (user == 'ruser') then disableShadows(); 2011-10-19T17:01:08 nothing is more common that that 2011-10-19T17:01:18 than* 2011-10-19T17:01:20 mleise: :))) 2011-10-19T17:01:48 *** hanswurst has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T17:01:56 ruser: I disabled shadows for browsers that don't render them, but FF 7 does render them fine. 2011-10-19T17:02:13 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-19T17:03:04 *** asw has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T17:03:23 ruser: okay thanks 2011-10-19T17:05:27 Will we play on fixed set of maps or not? 2011-10-19T17:05:37 *** samxan has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-19T17:06:04 InsaneMalkavian_: As far as I know we want a random set of new maps every day 2011-10-19T17:06:22 thanx 2011-10-19T17:06:26 hi, is some kind of threading in the bot code allowed? thx 2011-10-19T17:07:11 hanswurst: no, you must use only one thread, unless it is inevitable (JVM spawns multiple threads) 2011-10-19T17:08:32 hanswurst: depends on your language, if it supports green threads you can use them 2011-10-19T17:08:40 but if they're real threads, you won't be able to spawn them 2011-10-19T17:08:43 what are green threads? 2011-10-19T17:08:47 ok, thx 2011-10-19T17:08:52 fake threads that some languages have 2011-10-19T17:08:55 i think python does 2011-10-19T17:09:03 oh i c 2011-10-19T17:09:11 mleise: so does java 1.2.1 :) 2011-10-19T17:09:12 don't think python 2011-10-19T17:09:38 @mleise so.. given the inevitability of threads on the jvm, does that mean implementations on the jvm are able to be multithreaded? 2011-10-19T17:09:39 mintsoup: I'm sorry Dave, err mintsoup; I cannot 'mleise'. 2011-10-19T17:09:59 *** ibdknox_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T17:10:04 wewps 2011-10-19T17:10:20 mintsoup: the bot answers to @ commands 2011-10-19T17:10:24 mintsoup: The rules are clear: no multi-threading 2011-10-19T17:10:36 yea just noticed--forgot irc formatting 2011-10-19T17:10:41 mleise: it's not a rule, as much as a sandbox limitation 2011-10-19T17:10:51 mleise: yea i know--was just wondering if that's a loophole in the rules 2011-10-19T17:10:55 mintsoup: try it.. if it doesn't work, you have your answer 2011-10-19T17:11:29 amstan: I am allowed to spawn threads if it works? 2011-10-19T17:11:33 yes 2011-10-19T17:12:02 *** twymer has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) 2011-10-19T17:12:10 the reason can't have them is because the sandbox cannot track the new threads/processes 2011-10-19T17:12:33 but if your language fakes it by having only 1 thread, but multiple threads inside it using async stuff or something, you can do that 2011-10-19T17:13:05 amstan: then explain the rules.php to me: "Use of multiple processes or OS threads are prohibited." 2011-10-19T17:13:16 mleise: note the OS threads 2011-10-19T17:13:30 amstan: aren't threads on the jvm "os threads"? 2011-10-19T17:13:37 i don't know 2011-10-19T17:13:45 the rule is in place because of resource limitations not so much sandbox limitations 2011-10-19T17:14:07 janzert: that was my impression, too 2011-10-19T17:15:03 mintsoup: they are unless you are java 1.2.1 2011-10-19T17:15:03 once thing i noticed, reading up on clojure, is that clojure agent-references need multiple real jvm threads, the thread-pool cant be empty and these are not so called "green threads", can somebody comment on this? 2011-10-19T17:15:56 now we have the trouble? who was the bad guy starting this discussion? :p 2011-10-19T17:16:16 boo hanswurst 2011-10-19T17:16:38 lol 2011-10-19T17:17:03 *** ltriant has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T17:17:07 mcstar: if you use it your bot has a chance of ending up being killed by the sandbox and if we see a submission actively using more than 1 core we would disqualify it 2011-10-19T17:17:39 janzert: the core of the question is wrt clojure technology, not game regulations 2011-10-19T17:17:56 janzert: how are you going to track it against jvm threads? out of curricity 2011-10-19T17:18:17 is it like electricity but more spicy? 2011-10-19T17:18:23 pretty sure jvm threads map 1-1 with OS thread 2011-10-19T17:18:29 if not then you'll be fine 2011-10-19T17:18:50 i.e. if it doesn't use more OS level threads then you're ok 2011-10-19T17:20:20 ibdknox_: you here? 2011-10-19T17:23:14 Currently just improving the C# skeleton adding stuff like operator overloading 2011-10-19T17:23:47 how much programming experience do you guys have? 2011-10-19T17:24:02 reading this channel makes me intimidated 2011-10-19T17:25:27 djr_: we also designed this contest for beginners 2011-10-19T17:25:39 have you seen the http://aichallenge.org/ants_tutorial.php ? 2011-10-19T17:26:04 no sir, i have read several of the pages but not that one yet, thanks 2011-10-19T17:26:04 *** cco3 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T17:26:11 *** cco3 has left #aichallenge 2011-10-19T17:27:48 amstan: I'm thinking the tutorial should be right after the quickstart in the menu 2011-10-19T17:27:59 janzert: moving 2011-10-19T17:28:12 heh, ok. I was as well 2011-10-19T17:28:54 actually, using the tools should probably follow that with contest rules last 2011-10-19T17:30:00 *** MrBond has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T17:30:14 Hi guys! 2011-10-19T17:30:17 also: the first link on the Using the Tools page is broken 2011-10-19T17:30:30 Game spec does not describe when ant hill locations are passed to the bot. It should say - every turn, like ants and food, right? 2011-10-19T17:30:38 Are submission realy closed? Why? 2011-10-19T17:30:47 MrBond: see topic 2011-10-19T17:30:48 mrbond, check the top bar 2011-10-19T17:31:04 *** Alanzed has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T17:31:09 ah, for a moment i saw topless bar 2011-10-19T17:31:25 * MrBond too 2011-10-19T17:31:36 Please, give link to that topic 2011-10-19T17:31:38 aichallenge: Alexandru Stan * rba187e4 / (website/menu.php website/resources.php): Renamed Climbing the rankings to ants tutorial - http://git.io/Ifp2cg 2011-10-19T17:31:54 @topic 2011-10-19T17:31:54 mcstar: AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org (amstan) || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge (amstan) || Submissions and signups for the beta have closed. They will reopen when the contest starts tomorrow. Please be patient while we make the final touches. (amstan) 2011-10-19T17:32:21 Thanks 2011-10-19T17:32:48 janzert: how's that? 2011-10-19T17:33:23 janzert: ants tutorial and using the tools should be in the ants section 2011-10-19T17:33:32 looks good 2011-10-19T17:33:43 *** harrigan has left #aichallenge 2011-10-19T17:33:46 since getting started is general, should change from contest to contest 2011-10-19T17:34:10 I think the tutorial falls under getting started fine 2011-10-19T17:34:45 either way though 2011-10-19T17:35:06 the grouping on those is rather arbitrary 2011-10-19T17:35:12 janzert: on this page? why are some of them not linked? http://aichallenge.org/starter_packages.php 2011-10-19T17:35:22 no idea 2011-10-19T17:35:29 I'm guessing just no one did it 2011-10-19T17:36:08 what should the link to forums be? 2011-10-19T17:36:20 just /forums/ I guess 2011-10-19T17:36:25 yes 2011-10-19T17:36:36 i made a temp redirect from the new server to the old one 2011-10-19T17:36:43 since people were asking why the forums were offline 2011-10-19T17:36:55 I know the contest starts tomorrow, but just so that I know, it will start at 1:00AM EST because google is located in Arkansas, correct? 2011-10-19T17:37:10 arkansas is CST 2011-10-19T17:37:33 Right, but I'm in New York, so it'll start at 1:00AM for me. 2011-10-19T17:37:39 *** ztfw has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-19T17:38:10 more likely by midnight EST 2011-10-19T17:39:04 Google headquarters is California btw 2011-10-19T17:39:26 arkansas? 2011-10-19T17:40:31 geobytes.com puts aichallenge.org at North Little Rock, Arkansas. 2011-10-19T17:40:43 loverl: that's where the servers are probably 2011-10-19T17:40:49 that's the website hosting 2011-10-19T17:40:58 also, google is not running this competition, only sponsoring it 2011-10-19T17:41:09 Zannick: True. 2011-10-19T17:41:16 *** ibdknox_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-19T17:41:41 *** ibdknox_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T17:42:49 the physical server is almost certainly in norther virginia btw 2011-10-19T17:42:58 northern even 2011-10-19T17:43:32 I wasn't sure if Google had an office in Arkansas or not. http://www.google.com/about/corporate/company/address.html cleared it up. 2011-10-19T17:44:08 *** hanswurst has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T17:44:38 *** jasox has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T17:45:22 *** Xunie has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T17:45:51 *** ibdknox_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-10-19T17:45:56 Something is probably being hosted in California, though. The times listed for the games that I've played are three hours ahead of my current time. 2011-10-19T17:46:21 *** jasox_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T17:46:54 server time is gmt 2011-10-19T17:47:25 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T17:47:44 *** jasox_ has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-19T17:47:54 everything really is in the ec2 virginia datacenter 2011-10-19T17:48:21 *** McLeopold has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T17:48:50 mleise: the tutorial pages are failing to display the replay for me, I'm on chromium 2011-10-19T17:48:51 *** MrBond has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T17:49:24 amstan, McLeopold: there's a question, for the live server maybe we should set the timezone to EST to cause less confusion? 2011-10-19T17:49:29 *** jasox has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T17:49:40 janzert: I was thinking UTC might be best 2011-10-19T17:49:58 *** Alanzed has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T17:50:03 McLeopold: it is utc 2011-10-19T17:50:10 yeah, it is now 2011-10-19T17:50:12 are people confused? 2011-10-19T17:50:22 yay, mcleopold's here \o/ 2011-10-19T17:50:24 just that we generally line our deadlines up with midnight est 2011-10-19T17:51:11 let's make them 3:14am just to show everyone how hip we are 2011-10-19T17:51:17 lol 2011-10-19T17:51:23 :) 2011-10-19T17:51:29 3.14thon? 2011-10-19T17:51:36 :D 2011-10-19T17:51:54 *** llooiicc has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T17:52:35 *** barnjamin has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T17:53:06 *** qwerber has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T17:53:08 hello~ 2011-10-19T17:53:29 can I submit code anymore? 2011-10-19T17:54:41 holy shit everyone is afk 2011-10-19T17:54:50 @topic 2011-10-19T17:54:50 Zannick: AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org (amstan) || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge (amstan) || Submissions and signups for the beta have closed. They will reopen when the contest starts tomorrow. Please be patient while we make the final touches. (amstan) 2011-10-19T17:55:19 *** kkyqqp has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T17:55:36 so, do you guys see broken replays in the tutorial pages? 2011-10-19T17:55:38 *** sk3ptic has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T17:55:48 McLeopold: if you're at the point of being ready to smash the pairing code to little pieces and have it die a horrible death, I'm willing to pick it up for a while ;) 2011-10-19T17:55:53 Hi guys why can't I create an account? 2011-10-19T17:55:56 they're working fine here with FF8 2011-10-19T17:55:58 is it full or something? 2011-10-19T17:56:14 janzert: ok, lets hash this out :) 2011-10-19T17:56:18 *** loverl has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T17:56:20 sk3ptic: closed until launch 2011-10-19T17:56:40 janzert: k thanks 2011-10-19T17:56:40 how broken do we think it is? I really like the current implementation, as far as what we are trying to accomplish 2011-10-19T17:57:01 I'm not sure since I haven't looked at it in a few weeks 2011-10-19T17:57:02 Wooo that is a good feeling, my bot moved 2011-10-19T17:57:11 what languages are you guys using? 2011-10-19T17:57:21 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-19T17:57:21 it's been long enough for me to get a bit fuzzy on what it's supposed to be doing 2011-10-19T17:57:36 but it does seem clearly broken at the moment 2011-10-19T17:57:40 arg 2011-10-19T17:57:53 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T17:58:04 just not sure how much that is due to possible bugs or basic problems with the method 2011-10-19T17:58:14 okay, first the lessons learned: trueskill match quality does *not* provide matchmaking capabilities 2011-10-19T17:58:21 meh, imma go with random an see how it works 2011-10-19T17:58:37 relying on matchquality causes a few submissions to be picked for every match 2011-10-19T17:58:50 are you clearing the registrations before tommorow? 2011-10-19T17:59:27 Picking the seed player works, last active submission to have played a game 2011-10-19T18:00:07 *** kkyqqp has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T18:00:10 picking the number of players should work, pick the player count least picked for the seed in the last 24 hours 2011-10-19T18:00:26 *** qwerber has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T18:00:28 picking opponents seems broken, here is what it is doing 2011-10-19T18:00:58 just clarification, least recent active player for seed right 2011-10-19T18:01:07 yes, seed or not 2011-10-19T18:01:20 right 2011-10-19T18:01:39 pick a random number using a pareto dist, find this number of players with the closest match quality 2011-10-19T18:02:03 *** sigh has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2011-10-19T18:02:14 closest match quality here is based on all the players chosen so far? 2011-10-19T18:02:32 all active submissions 2011-10-19T18:03:22 but the quality is measured against just the seed or all players in the game so far? 2011-10-19T18:03:22 did I answer the question? 2011-10-19T18:03:53 all players selected, so just the seed for the first opponent, then the 2 players for the 3rd, and so on 2011-10-19T18:03:59 ok 2011-10-19T18:04:20 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T18:04:22 it's not the actually trueskill match quality with more than 2 players 2011-10-19T18:04:29 it's more of a soft max 2011-10-19T18:04:47 http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2010/01/13/soft-maximum/ 2011-10-19T18:05:24 it is fairly close to the microsoft trueskill calculator 2011-10-19T18:05:33 ok 2011-10-19T18:05:39 okay, we've got a set of potential opponents 2011-10-19T18:05:50 order by least matches, then least games, then match quality 2011-10-19T18:06:06 the first will tend to produce a round-robin effect 2011-10-19T18:06:11 *** guest1423 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T18:06:20 the second will keep total games even for players 2011-10-19T18:06:26 the third is a tiebreaker 2011-10-19T18:06:32 *** sk3ptic has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T18:06:56 Hey, I have a quick question. Under the problem specs, it says "Information about a water square will only be sent the first turn in which it is visible by one of your live ants (to reduce the amount of data transferred)", but I was under the impression that there is no persistent data 2011-10-19T18:06:56 least matches is least number of plays again the current set of players? 2011-10-19T18:06:58 once the players are selected, the map choosen is the least played map by all players 2011-10-19T18:07:51 least number against the seed? 2011-10-19T18:07:53 guest1423: your bot will stay in memory while the game is playing, so you can store that information in a variable somewhere 2011-10-19T18:08:10 least number against all the players selected so far 2011-10-19T18:08:16 ok 2011-10-19T18:08:25 Okay what happens if ants try and bump into each other? 2011-10-19T18:08:27 McLeopold: Thank you very much. That helps a lot 2011-10-19T18:08:31 nekosune_: they die 2011-10-19T18:08:47 *** sigh has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2011-10-19T18:09:00 mine should be bumping into each other and dieing, but then seem not to 2011-10-19T18:09:11 so the question is what in there is causing some ants to get selected 5 times or more than some other ants :/ 2011-10-19T18:09:44 nekosune_: they have to end in the same square at the end of the turn 2011-10-19T18:09:47 *** asldkjflkdsjf has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T18:09:58 i.e. they can step over each other and switch spots 2011-10-19T18:11:31 janzert: if the pareto number is always small, this introduces the error were the small sigma players are selected 2011-10-19T18:12:05 *** asldkjflkdsjf has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-19T18:12:37 the idea is that the pool of players might include a high match quality bot, because that bot has tons of games, but it should be last in the pool due to having high game counts 2011-10-19T18:12:38 *** JSharpe_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T18:12:50 I don't think it's small sigma 2011-10-19T18:13:00 hmm it seems they dont die because they get lucky, a third arrives, and confuses the program enough not to make any new moves ... 2011-10-19T18:13:13 if the pool is only bots with high match quality because of lots of games, then we have a bais, but that really should be rare 2011-10-19T18:13:34 *** JSharpe_ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-19T18:13:58 look at e.g. johku90 s=1.28 with 107 rate and Laentir s=1.32 with 64 rate 2011-10-19T18:14:22 *** JSharpe_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T18:14:29 kantor s=1.27 rate 84 2011-10-19T18:15:33 *** JSharpe has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-10-19T18:16:39 janzert: did you reset the database? 2011-10-19T18:16:45 and whatever the cause it seems to have gotten much worse with the influx of new submissions 2011-10-19T18:16:48 nope 2011-10-19T18:18:57 *** renton has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T18:19:13 what are the memory limits for the ai challenge? 2011-10-19T18:20:08 renton: 1.5gb 2011-10-19T18:21:09 Should we submit patches to improve the samples at all? 2011-10-19T18:21:46 s/samples/starter bots 2011-10-19T18:21:56 *** renton has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-19T18:21:56 ermau: depends on what you mean by improve ;) 2011-10-19T18:22:05 if you mean add extra functionality then no 2011-10-19T18:22:25 Specifically I was thinking of making the C# starter more like C# and less like Java 2011-10-19T18:22:30 if you mean make it better coded for the language it is written in then sure 2011-10-19T18:22:50 sure 2011-10-19T18:22:55 janzert: the problem has to be in the pool of players we are selecting from 2011-10-19T18:23:27 anyone using the ruby starter? 2011-10-19T18:23:45 *** rr has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T18:24:01 Okay this is rediculous, the sandbox is reporting a move that should not happen 2011-10-19T18:24:30 okay time to change my heuristic and add in some checks, I think I know why happening 2011-10-19T18:25:08 question, do you attack other ants by trying to ram them? 2011-10-19T18:25:45 nekosune_: technically, yes, but the attack radius is large enough that they will kill each other about 2 squares away 2011-10-19T18:27:01 ok sorry for the dumb questions 2011-10-19T18:27:28 still trying to figure out, my code tries to ram two of ants together 2011-10-19T18:27:41 the sandbox says they are on the same square .... allive 2011-10-19T18:29:11 what sandbox? 2011-10-19T18:29:45 *** xathis has quit IRC () 2011-10-19T18:29:48 sorry, whatever it is that runs theese things 2011-10-19T18:30:12 we usually call it "engine" 2011-10-19T18:30:18 ok sorry 2011-10-19T18:32:47 *** JSharpe_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-10-19T18:34:58 *** alekz-lopez has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T18:36:14 nekosune_: if two ants are being reported on the same square by the engine that is certainly a bug, but I would also be surprised that it hadn't been found before now 2011-10-19T18:37:49 *** djr_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T18:39:29 he confuses it with a live and dead ant probably 2011-10-19T18:39:32 janzert: okay, I see another really stupid bug 2011-10-19T18:40:12 yay :P 2011-10-19T18:40:24 but I don't think it is going to make a difference :( 2011-10-19T18:40:32 boo 2011-10-19T18:40:43 *** TheLorax has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T18:41:15 hmm a technical question: how big would be the change that a chunk of the input stream doesn't end with a "\n"? 2011-10-19T18:41:17 I was summing the opponent counts for a total game count, which means I was double counting 3 player games, and triple counting 4 player, and so on 2011-10-19T18:41:47 avdg: are you asking us to change the bot input? 2011-10-19T18:42:09 I'm simply not sure about the starters implementation I'm receiving 2011-10-19T18:42:16 which starter pack? 2011-10-19T18:42:20 js 2011-10-19T18:42:39 *** TheLorax has left #aichallenge 2011-10-19T18:43:51 if you want to know, its located in ants.js, the "start" method 2011-10-19T18:44:12 avdg: chunk.split('\n') will discard the '\n' characters 2011-10-19T18:44:21 yes 2011-10-19T18:44:32 but what if the message was broken in the middle of the line 2011-10-19T18:44:50 btw the github page still has the old website as the main website for the repo 2011-10-19T18:45:26 ermau: fixed 2011-10-19T18:45:30 than ks 2011-10-19T18:45:41 *** nack has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T18:45:51 What is the submission deadline for 2011? 2011-10-19T18:46:18 december 2011-10-19T18:47:04 December, to have the bot fully completed and submitted for official competition with other submissions, correct? 2011-10-19T18:47:18 yes 2011-10-19T18:47:22 Thank you. 2011-10-19T18:50:14 avdg: according to this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5006821/nodejs-how-to-read-keystrokes-from-stdin input is buffered until a newline is recieved, so the split shouldn't happen 2011-10-19T18:50:28 McLeopold: ty 2011-10-19T18:50:35 *** nack has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-19T18:51:39 McLeopold: https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/issues/128#issuecomment-2462489 2011-10-19T18:52:40 hmm, I must be doing wrong. According to this all of the sample bots that are setup by default are crashing turn 1... 2011-10-19T18:52:45 doing something* 2011-10-19T18:54:23 amstan: anything new I should know about? 2011-10-19T18:54:41 aarossig: tomorrow at midnight is the time 2011-10-19T18:54:42 *** ikaros has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat) 2011-10-19T18:54:47 amstan: awesome 2011-10-19T18:54:50 aarossig: how are the comps? 2011-10-19T18:54:59 oh, it won't be for about 2 weeks 2011-10-19T18:55:05 but will it be? 2011-10-19T18:55:12 they are still in service, and the owners have gone on vacation 2011-10-19T18:55:13 janzert: with the influx of starter bots, most everyone is around mu=50.0 2011-10-19T18:55:35 when the owners return from vacation and the server is operation that will be a good time to ask for CPU time sponsorship 2011-10-19T18:55:48 s/operation/operatonal/ 2011-10-19T18:55:49 *** savage_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T18:55:51 aarossig: also this: http://imgur.com/UaCRr 2011-10-19T18:55:56 we don't have any bot "cooldown" logic to prevent multiple games in a row, so all the "real" bots have lower match quality compared to the starters 2011-10-19T18:56:19 amstan: who blogged about us? 2011-10-19T18:56:37 20000... and it's not even the time yet 2011-10-19T18:56:40 aarossig: It definitely hit Hacker News. 2011-10-19T18:56:48 this may or may not breat a server :P 2011-10-19T18:56:48 *** Harpyon has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/) 2011-10-19T18:56:53 s/breat/break/ 2011-10-19T18:57:12 reddit(for a sec), hacker news, habrahabr.ru 2011-10-19T18:57:14 jbroman: that's interesting -- the official time will be fun 2011-10-19T18:57:25 amstan: any chance we can get a one-liner to watch traffic come rolling in? 2011-10-19T18:57:30 amstan: Clearly all the traffic was coming from habrahabr.hu. 2011-10-19T18:57:33 s/hu/ru/ 2011-10-19T18:57:57 amstan: I would *love* to get my projector going in our office with traffic scrolling by on it 2011-10-19T18:58:04 aarossig: i can, but how will you watch? 2011-10-19T18:58:09 ok, tomorrow it is 2011-10-19T18:58:12 we can hang out until after midnight? 2011-10-19T18:58:17 yeah 2011-10-19T18:58:20 cool beans 2011-10-19T18:58:26 I'll pick up the projector 2011-10-19T18:58:31 we can use the third video port on my desktop 2011-10-19T18:59:11 we have a third of the people from the final registered 2011-10-19T18:59:18 and we purged the server 2 weeks ago 2011-10-19T18:59:21 and we can get slay radio running with a nice visualizer behind a semi-transparent terminal -- that's classy. 2011-10-19T18:59:29 amstan: awesome 2011-10-19T18:59:58 *** cata has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T19:00:23 amstan: irc is a little more populated than usual 2011-10-19T19:00:31 yeah, twice the people 2011-10-19T19:00:34 amstan: ~200% 2011-10-19T19:00:36 hmmm 2011-10-19T19:00:37 yah 2011-10-19T19:01:39 amstan: I think the starter packs are woefully outdated, without hills stuff? 2011-10-19T19:02:07 McLeopold: what do you suggest? 2011-10-19T19:03:36 getting them fixed 2011-10-19T19:04:15 i msgd all the creators 2 weeks ago on github 2011-10-19T19:05:45 *** alekz-lopez has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T19:06:25 amstan: They are probably not all github user, or are they? 2011-10-19T19:06:38 mleise: they are 2011-10-19T19:06:48 i went by comitter 2011-10-19T19:07:47 *** savage_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T19:08:25 in terms of videos, which ones should we use? 2011-10-19T19:10:02 aichallenge: McLeopold * rc3ac7b4 / (sql/2_generate_matchup.sql sql/opponent.sql): fix to total game count - http://git.io/QwpCSw 2011-10-19T19:10:24 we currently have two videos, one is stricly gameplay, the other starts off on the site and then goes to the gameplay 2011-10-19T19:10:40 I suggest we make both public and use the version that starts off on the site as the main one 2011-10-19T19:10:47 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGijmGbQxWM 2011-10-19T19:10:57 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPs1y8LkMOo 2011-10-19T19:13:46 aichallenge: Marco Leise * rc4b579c / (ants/play_one_game.cmd ants/play_one_game_live.cmd): 2011-10-19T19:13:46 aichallenge: Merge pull request #299 from ermau/epsilon 2011-10-19T19:13:46 aichallenge: Batch scripts should work in dirs with spaces - http://git.io/5LpYYg 2011-10-19T19:14:18 woohoo 2011-10-19T19:19:22 *** hhdd has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T19:19:33 janzert: so.. are we getting the new server? 2011-10-19T19:20:13 janzert: I can implement logic that will prevent a bot from playing if it has had too many games in the last 24 hours 2011-10-19T19:21:09 if I take the distribution of games in last 24 hours for all users, I can chop off the top 10 or 20 percent? 2011-10-19T19:21:40 or just calc the average? 2011-10-19T19:21:51 okay now my program dies when an ant does 2011-10-19T19:21:59 oops 2011-10-19T19:22:14 nekosune_: it just can't go on 2011-10-19T19:24:24 which url has the default conditions? 2011-10-19T19:24:37 ruser: hmm? 2011-10-19T19:24:55 amstan: there was a URL which i can't find now, that showed default startup conditions 2011-10-19T19:25:04 *** rmmh has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T19:25:04 you mean the game settings? 2011-10-19T19:25:07 amstan: yes 2011-10-19T19:25:16 @settings 2011-10-19T19:25:17 amstan: settings could be http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/game_settings.php. 2011-10-19T19:25:21 thanks! 2011-10-19T19:26:32 *** AlexeiS has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T19:26:36 anybody here? 2011-10-19T19:27:03 a couple of people here and there 2011-10-19T19:27:04 *** cambri has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T19:27:10 AlexeiS: there are at least 50 people in here, stop asking that :P 2011-10-19T19:27:25 haha 2011-10-19T19:27:28 i hate being lonely :( 2011-10-19T19:27:31 is all 2011-10-19T19:27:32 and it turns out, a ant dieing had nothing to do with it, it was coicdence 2011-10-19T19:27:57 i still need help getting started *angel face* 2011-10-19T19:28:48 nekosune_: you will keep commenting on every change you make? 2011-10-19T19:28:53 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5) 2011-10-19T19:29:00 this is intense: http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=38008 2011-10-19T19:29:15 *** cambri has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-19T19:29:18 amstan: whoa 2011-10-19T19:29:31 there's team games even? 2011-10-19T19:29:32 I just saw that too-- locutus' line strategy is interesting 2011-10-19T19:29:53 could somebody help me out getting me started? 2011-10-19T19:30:05 AlexeiS: well, what do you need? 2011-10-19T19:30:37 interesting strategy... 2011-10-19T19:30:57 i just installed python like i was told. and added it to the directory 2011-10-19T19:31:08 when i run from cmd the file "play_one_game_cmd" 2011-10-19T19:31:13 i get the following message 2011-10-19T19:31:14 AlexeiS: you added it to PATH? 2011-10-19T19:31:24 python: can't open file 'C:\Ant': Error 2 no such file or directory 2011-10-19T19:31:29 the line strategy has an amusing bug; see turn ~450 2011-10-19T19:31:34 How is that even possible? 2011-10-19T19:31:39 ermau: was that you bug that you fixed? 2011-10-19T19:31:48 your* 2011-10-19T19:31:50 to be honest i dont even know what PATH Is.... its a system variable 2011-10-19T19:31:57 gets boned because a few enemies blocked the front of the column 2011-10-19T19:31:58 i posted on the forum my problem 2011-10-19T19:32:03 *** ibdknox_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T19:32:14 amstan: potentially, depends on what the full dir he's in is 2011-10-19T19:32:16 AlexeiS: open a command prompt, and type python 2011-10-19T19:32:19 AlexeiS: if it works, you're good 2011-10-19T19:32:34 AlexeiS: then tell me where you ants folder is located 2011-10-19T19:32:52 ermau: i need to repackage the tools then 2011-10-19T19:33:16 C:\Google AI Challenge\Tools 2011-10-19T19:33:21 amstan: ^ yup. 2011-10-19T19:34:22 *** Siretu has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T19:34:35 i typed in pythin, i am at a scrreen with ">>>" 2011-10-19T19:35:08 AlexeiS: exit() 2011-10-19T19:35:14 AlexeiS: actually, just close the window, you're good 2011-10-19T19:35:30 good? 2011-10-19T19:35:31 ermau: does it have your change? http://aichallenge.org/tools.zip 2011-10-19T19:35:34 AlexeiS: yep 2011-10-19T19:35:47 amstan: yes 2011-10-19T19:35:48 amstan: when i double click play_one... nothing happends 2011-10-19T19:35:57 amstan: how do i run the test game? 2011-10-19T19:35:58 AlexeiS: run it from the command prompt 2011-10-19T19:36:07 AlexeiS: right.. ideally you should run it from the command prompt 2011-10-19T19:36:15 AlexeiS: since that's the only way to see what it outputs 2011-10-19T19:36:19 k 2011-10-19T19:36:48 i still get that error 2011-10-19T19:37:28 AlexeiS: Redownload the tools, it's a bug in the batch script, amstan just linked to them 2011-10-19T19:37:30 taking screen shot and will show you 2011-10-19T19:37:41 AlexeiS: http://aichallenge.org/tools.zip 2011-10-19T19:37:51 well still got the lowest score, however I actually have ants that can find food around them now 2011-10-19T19:38:11 *** itelichko has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T19:39:01 *** Vivitron has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T19:39:02 *** rogue780 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T19:39:26 it WORKED! 2011-10-19T19:39:28 thank you! 2011-10-19T19:39:47 now can i vew this visually and not in console 2011-10-19T19:39:55 did you read the tutorial on the website? 2011-10-19T19:39:58 it covers all of this 2011-10-19T19:40:05 numerous times 2011-10-19T19:40:15 rmmh: it was a bug that he had, since there was a space in his folder name 2011-10-19T19:40:26 rmmh: i don't thing tutorials cover installing python+PATH, do they? 2011-10-19T19:40:36 nope 2011-10-19T19:40:39 *** ascadian has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-10-19T19:41:15 if I had more time, I would figure out the ant hill thing, and get better, but I did what i set out, applied A* to it, XD got coursework now 2011-10-19T19:41:27 amstan: works now, the cosole outputs turns, verry annoying tho, will read tutorial on how to make appear visually 2011-10-19T19:42:10 nekosune_: prepare to have your life ruined by this 2011-10-19T19:42:24 ;D 2011-10-19T19:42:35 *** mehehe has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T19:42:43 I just wish I could get a group of my local dev buddies to participate 2011-10-19T19:42:59 I'd have more fun fighting against them probably, don't stand much of a chance in the grand scheme of things 2011-10-19T19:43:01 ermau: they don't care about this? 2011-10-19T19:43:05 ermau: well, do so, what's stopping you? 2011-10-19T19:43:17 ermau: all of you can be in the same organization 2011-10-19T19:43:30 amstan: I may continue this later, but I have the stanford online course things to do 2011-10-19T19:43:32 then you can have rankings for inside it: http://aichallenge.org/organization_profile.php?org=346 2011-10-19T19:43:41 amstan: I tried with planet wars, didn't get much of a response 2011-10-19T19:43:42 nekosune_: i'll do that on the weekend 2011-10-19T19:43:45 amstan: oh interesting 2011-10-19T19:44:22 amstan: well, I also kinda meant actually pitting our bots against each other directly 2011-10-19T19:44:47 amstan: Sadly no 2011-10-19T19:45:11 ermau: then you can setup a private contest 2011-10-19T19:45:23 either with tcp, when that gets finished by a volunteer 2011-10-19T19:45:37 or by rolling your own contest, all you need is a blank ubuntu 64bit 2011-10-19T19:45:47 amstan: Right, problem isn't really a technical one ;) 2011-10-19T19:46:03 hmm 2011-10-19T19:46:08 Just can't get them interested/motivated enough 2011-10-19T19:46:19 yeah, can't help you much there 2011-10-19T19:46:20 lol 2011-10-19T19:46:23 ;) 2011-10-19T19:47:18 ermau: Promise them free candy. That always works! :P 2011-10-19T19:47:22 I wonder what the % of participants is that have no education in AI whatsoever is 2011-10-19T19:47:29 ermau: oh yeah, make bets 2011-10-19T19:47:29 (even self education) 2011-10-19T19:47:52 hah 2011-10-19T19:47:53 ermau: probably a lot 2011-10-19T19:48:06 hey.. i don't 2011-10-19T19:48:07 yet 2011-10-19T19:48:16 Whatever % of participants comes in under me is a sure bet 2011-10-19T19:48:17 :P 2011-10-19T19:48:26 there is a mistake on the tutorial page 2011-10-19T19:48:31 i'm still asking myself how i managed to beat RPS 2011-10-19T19:48:35 * avdg didn't had proper education, if that counts 2011-10-19T19:48:36 AlexeiS: ok? 2011-10-19T19:48:37 for the |tutorial" 2011-10-19T19:48:41 I am currently doing a online course on AI, if that counts 2011-10-19T19:48:42 the code for python 2011-10-19T19:48:47 nekosune_: The stanford one? 2011-10-19T19:48:49 nekosune_: yes, me too, lol 2011-10-19T19:48:50 the -e at the end is missing a - 2011-10-19T19:48:57 Me too, but I haven't actually looked at it yet lol.. 2011-10-19T19:49:04 amstan: Stanford? 2011-10-19T19:49:06 code says -e, while description uses --e 2011-10-19T19:49:07 ermau: you lost homework1 then 2011-10-19T19:49:16 I kind of want to make the visualizer's fog of war track explored/not as well... 2011-10-19T19:49:17 amstan: I didn't sign up for the homework course 2011-10-19T19:49:23 ermau: oh, ic 2011-10-19T19:49:43 aichallenge: McLeopold * re4159a7 / sql/opponent.sql : start of matchmaking change - http://git.io/1wxJaw 2011-10-19T19:49:43 AlexeiS: if you have a github account you can edit it yourself: https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/wiki/Ants-Tutorial 2011-10-19T19:49:47 amstan: I was going to, but I just got a new job that requires a bit of prep work so 2011-10-19T19:51:08 ermau: just curious, what kind of prep work? is this a software job? 2011-10-19T19:51:41 aarossig: Yeah, I'll be working from home and and I have to spend two weeks in Boston, so I need to revamp my work area at home and do a lot of shopping 2011-10-19T19:51:58 aarossig: A Floridian going to Boston in November for two weeks = much winter clothes needed. 2011-10-19T19:52:00 ermau: very nice, congrats on the job 2011-10-19T19:52:08 aarossig: Thanks! :)] 2011-10-19T19:52:35 rmmh: yay! new forker! 2011-10-19T19:54:40 mleise: have you ever played warcraft 2? 2011-10-19T19:54:49 actually, nvm, most rts games do this 2011-10-19T19:55:00 if food spanwed right next to me, does my need to "step" on it in order to it? 2011-10-19T19:55:26 ermau: yes the stanford one 2011-10-19T19:55:45 s/my/my ant/ 2011-10-19T19:55:46 hmm, are teh starter bots supposed to know where ant hills are? 2011-10-19T19:55:54 they have 2 levels of fog of war, one is complete black. the other is shaded, you can see: terrain, hives(at the state of what they were when they were last seen), and maybe food that was seen there last 2011-10-19T19:55:55 ermau: most of htem dn't 2011-10-19T19:56:16 mleise: it would be cool if the visualizer had this 2011-10-19T19:56:18 ruser: but are they _supposed_ to? (as in, should I go patch the one I'm using) 2011-10-19T19:56:34 ermau: depends on your stategy, that's part of the input 2011-10-19T19:56:48 If it's part of the input, I'd say that'd be a yes then 2011-10-19T19:57:24 need quick help again, can i send somebody here a picture of what happens now when i run the tutorial 2011-10-19T19:57:33 amstan: should be easy enough with a per-player 2D array representing the time a square was first seen 2011-10-19T19:57:40 rmmh: yes 2011-10-19T19:58:21 problem: when to calculate it 2011-10-19T19:58:36 would lazy calculation be acceptable? 2011-10-19T19:58:52 aichallenge: Marco Leise * rb65d7ed / (2 files): enable PgUp, PgDn, Home and End in the visualizer only when not in embedded mode - http://git.io/_lng0Q 2011-10-19T19:59:11 well bye for now all 2011-10-19T19:59:16 i.e. if you turn on fog of war at turn 500, it doesn't know what was seen on turns 1-499 yet, but will update with that when you go backwards 2011-10-19T19:59:33 rmmh: it could calculate it the whole time 2011-10-19T20:00:02 *** DrAlan3 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T20:00:07 but what if you jump to turn 500 2011-10-19T20:00:11 amstan: is it possible i found a bug with food? http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=37998&user=569 player #5 - watch the food at steps 82-156 it's not being eaten even though the level is supposed to be wrapped around? 2011-10-19T20:00:27 should the visualizer hang? 2011-10-19T20:01:17 amstan: ah, no diagonal eating? 2011-10-19T20:01:26 ruser: hmm, it seems like it's a bug 2011-10-19T20:02:07 Oct 20th 12:01am. 2011-10-19T20:02:07 *** mattfedd_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T20:02:24 Sorry, submissions are closed. :(( 2011-10-19T20:02:53 *** hhdd has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T20:03:01 amstan: it shoulod be able to it diagonally, correct? or does it have to be in adjacent cell that's directly N,S, W or E? 2011-10-19T20:03:07 ruser: it's a range thing 2011-10-19T20:03:22 *** dideler_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T20:03:26 amstan: I'm too lazy to code your suggestion in. I'd rather like to reduce the memory footprint in the Java visualizer. 2011-10-19T20:03:31 is the view^2 < or <= 2011-10-19T20:03:51 *** mintsoup has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T20:03:51 *** mattfedd has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T20:03:59 ruser: yeah, it seems like it has to be distance of 1 2011-10-19T20:04:09 diagonal means distance^2=2 2011-10-19T20:04:20 *** AlexeiS has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T20:04:20 *** guest1423 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T20:04:21 *** hwang has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T20:04:26 amstan: attackradius2 5 2011-10-19T20:04:31 amstan: that's what in the input 2011-10-19T20:04:36 ruser: that's attack, not food 2011-10-19T20:04:40 @settings 2011-10-19T20:04:41 amstan: settings could be http://aichallengebeta.hypertriangle.com/game_settings.php. 2011-10-19T20:04:44 (why isn't there a foodratius2?) 2011-10-19T20:04:48 ruser: http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=37998&turn=80&row=31&col=83 2011-10-19T20:04:49 *** cata has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T20:04:49 *** tilarids has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T20:04:51 amstan: where is hte food radius? 2011-10-19T20:04:52 spawnradius2 ! 2011-10-19T20:04:56 rmmh: it used to be spawnradius, lol 2011-10-19T20:05:06 since they were spawning in place before, not at the hill 2011-10-19T20:05:20 lol, i didn't realize that until now 2011-10-19T20:05:21 amstan: or rather which argument determines the food consumption radius? 2011-10-19T20:05:25 they'd spawn next to the ant that picked it up? 2011-10-19T20:05:39 ruser: spawnradius2 should be renamed to foodradius2 2011-10-19T20:05:46 rmmh: yes 2011-10-19T20:07:03 McLeopold: what did you want to show me by this link? 2011-10-19T20:07:10 You can also move your mouse over food to see the radius 2011-10-19T20:07:19 oh, there we go 2011-10-19T20:07:30 aichallenge: McLeopold * r1753114 / (sql/2_generate_matchup.sql sql/opponent.sql): matchmaker excludes players with high 24 hour game count - http://git.io/-7QS_g 2011-10-19T20:07:30 aichallenge: McLeopold * red1351e / (2 files): Merge branch 'epsilon' of github.com:aichallenge/aichallenge into epsilon - http://git.io/AsNJDw 2011-10-19T20:07:53 we should make games where food spawns only in certain locations 2011-10-19T20:08:13 advertised locations? 2011-10-19T20:08:24 (well, if they spot it) 2011-10-19T20:08:31 avdg: you'll eventually find out 2011-10-19T20:08:37 send spies 2011-10-19T20:08:51 maybe next to hives 2011-10-19T20:08:54 maybe not 2011-10-19T20:08:56 heh, there should be a mode like capture the flag 2011-10-19T20:08:58 Are there any memory limits to what my bot can use? 2011-10-19T20:09:04 1.5G 2011-10-19T20:09:10 but i wouldn't hardcode that 2011-10-19T20:09:15 looks like 500MB here... 2011-10-19T20:09:27 oh, it's per-server~ 2011-10-19T20:09:59 *** nack has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T20:10:01 aichallenge: McLeopold * r281568f / sql/2_generate_matchup.sql : nicer sp output - http://git.io/eqK-HA 2011-10-19T20:10:30 *** nekosune_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T20:11:03 On rules, it says "Use of multiple processes or OS threads are prohibited.". Obviously this means no multiple agents running, but does this mean there is no multi-threading within the single bot agent itself? 2011-10-19T20:11:34 nack: there's no way to start another agent 2011-10-19T20:11:41 nack: so it means within the single bot 2011-10-19T20:11:55 nack: The idea is not to hog all the CPU cores. 2011-10-19T20:12:06 depends on your language though, threading might not use OS threads 2011-10-19T20:12:35 Ah. 2011-10-19T20:12:46 So green threads are OK. 2011-10-19T20:12:59 ruser: food gathering can happen over the wrapped map 2011-10-19T20:13:42 Oh okay I see. Green threads are okay, but not native ones. Thanks. 2011-10-19T20:14:36 It would be nice if we could lock the process to a single core (so that you could use native threads, but only one core). But I'm not aware of a way to do this without patching the kernel's CPU scheduler. 2011-10-19T20:15:04 aichallenge's own kernel 2011-10-19T20:15:10 great idea for a project 2011-10-19T20:15:30 REWRITE ALL THE THINGS! 2011-10-19T20:15:33 if it's modular enough to be easy to install, and if it works on amazon, it should be ok 2011-10-19T20:15:52 jbroman: lol 2011-10-19T20:15:56 amstan: It's more that writing kernel code to do this is non-trivial, and you kinda want it to be stable as welll. 2011-10-19T20:16:07 If you can pull that off, deploying it on EC2 is not a problem. :) 2011-10-19T20:16:33 I would attempt this myself, but I have n units of time and 4n units of things I want to do with it. 2011-10-19T20:16:34 maybe we can find volunteers in #linux 2011-10-19T20:17:09 amstan: good idea, maybe csc members? 2011-10-19T20:18:33 Actually 2011-10-19T20:18:43 Apparently there is an API for this and my search terms last time sucked. 2011-10-19T20:18:45 sched_setaffinity 2011-10-19T20:19:10 So that would be cool. :) 2011-10-19T20:19:32 so, that's it then? seems to be all we need 2011-10-19T20:19:47 we just need a python wrapper 2011-10-19T20:20:14 It could also be put off for a later contest if we want to keep our implementation more stable at this point. 2011-10-19T20:20:17 jbroman: nice find 2011-10-19T20:20:55 yeah, a good candidate to go in zeta 2011-10-19T20:20:56 >.> 2011-10-19T20:21:00 Oh yeah, zeta. 2011-10-19T20:21:04 (haha, zeta.) 2011-10-19T20:21:05 The thing I keep trying to work on. 2011-10-19T20:21:11 And then school/work/life interfere. 2011-10-19T20:21:12 lol 2011-10-19T20:21:25 so.. is zeta the name of the next contest? or is that just a codename... 2011-10-19T20:21:36 aarossig: Codename for next version of contest core. 2011-10-19T20:21:41 *** nack has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T20:21:43 i remember the days of "let's make a smaller contest before we launch the cool contest, we'll call the smaller one epsilon and the bigger one zeta" 2011-10-19T20:21:46 (i.e. all the software, minus the game-specific stuff) 2011-10-19T20:21:46 aarossig: we split the codebase in two way back when. epsilon and zeta. 2011-10-19T20:21:51 So, is Zeta going to move to something socket based perhaps? 2011-10-19T20:21:54 *** tomejuan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T20:21:59 do you guys know if google runs this competition every quarter? 2011-10-19T20:22:03 epsilon for the next contest (this one), and zeta for after 2011-10-19T20:22:10 what does that mean? 2011-10-19T20:22:11 tomejuan: To clarify, this is Google-sponsored, but not Google-operated. 2011-10-19T20:22:20 tomejuan: And the schedule is extremely sporadic. 2011-10-19T20:22:32 how many competitions have there been so far? 2011-10-19T20:22:38 i'd really like to join but i can't make it this fall 2011-10-19T20:22:38 tomejuan: yeah, it's a great community of volunteers who run this. Google helps us out through sponsorship 2011-10-19T20:22:40 3 international ones 2011-10-19T20:22:53 and a bunch more that were waterloo only 2011-10-19T20:23:54 33000 visits now 2011-10-19T20:24:21 amstan: can we get the bot to do this? 2011-10-19T20:24:34 aarossig: do what? extract stuff from analytics? 2011-10-19T20:24:35 just ask it for current page views for the day or something like that 2011-10-19T20:24:41 yeah, I think they have an API 2011-10-19T20:25:20 amstan: http://code.google.com/apis/analytics/docs/ 2011-10-19T20:26:21 aarossig: http://code.google.com/apis/analytics/docs/gdata/2.0/gdataProtocol.html 2011-10-19T20:26:51 amstan: yep, a bot command would be cool 2011-10-19T20:27:01 or just make it periodic, every 15 minutes or something 2011-10-19T20:27:15 the analytics data is not that accurate though 2011-10-19T20:27:26 yeah, even every 30 minutes would be fine 2011-10-19T20:27:46 *** swizec_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T20:27:46 the data has a ~30 minute lag, I noticed this from experience 2011-10-19T20:27:55 *** kakashi_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-19T20:28:09 any idea why account creation seems to be closed? 2011-10-19T20:28:15 @topic 2011-10-19T20:28:15 amstan: AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org (amstan) || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge (amstan) || Submissions and signups for the beta have closed. They will reopen when the contest starts tomorrow. Please be patient while we make the final touches. (amstan) 2011-10-19T20:28:25 aarossig: Shameless plug: http://analytics.blogspot.com/2011/09/whats-happening-on-your-site-right-now.html 2011-10-19T20:29:03 amstan when will the final submissions be? tomorrow? 2011-10-19T20:29:08 * amstan desperatelly looks for the new version button 2011-10-19T20:29:10 jbroman: awesome, Why is this a shameless plug? Did you write it? 2011-10-19T20:29:16 swizec_: yes, in about 26 hours 2011-10-19T20:29:47 yes! found it 2011-10-19T20:29:49 submissions open tomorrow 2011-10-19T20:29:57 aarossig: No, but still my employer. 2011-10-19T20:29:57 jbroman: excuse my ignorance if I am mistaken. I don't know your full name 2011-10-19T20:29:59 final submissions are december something 2011-10-19T20:30:21 aarossig: his last name is broman 2011-10-19T20:30:23 aarossig: Jeremy Roman (CSC member and ex-sysadmin, SWE Intern at Google this term) 2011-10-19T20:30:36 jbroman: thanks, cool 2011-10-19T20:30:48 jbroman: oh, nice. (re google) 2011-10-19T20:30:57 aichallenge: McLeopold * r123d1a2 / website/getting_started_with_python.php : add getting started with python - http://git.io/VwKemw 2011-10-19T20:31:13 Usual disclaimer about how nothing I say is on behalf of Google, etc. 2011-10-19T20:32:09 *** tomejuan has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T20:32:18 *** dr0b3rts has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T20:32:33 :(, i'm not the domain admin, so i can't see it 2011-10-19T20:34:50 *** fredfrak has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T20:35:32 *** chaudeau has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T20:37:33 *** chris__0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T20:39:24 aichallenge: Marco Leise * rf2df546 / (3 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'epsilon' of github.com:aichallenge/aichallenge into epsilon - http://git.io/3R2TMQ 2011-10-19T20:39:26 aichallenge: Marco Leise * re044761 / ants/visualizer/js/Replay.js : fixed bug where two ants of the same team colliding would send the bot input generator into an endless loop - http://git.io/OuM9jw 2011-10-19T20:40:14 *** kakashi_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T20:40:17 *** guest161 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T20:40:48 *** chris_0076 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2011-10-19T20:42:15 aichallenge: McLeopold * r70f5102 / website/starter_packages.php : add note about needing python - http://git.io/rX-j1w 2011-10-19T20:42:42 amstan: okay, blasted a note about needing python on 3 pages. Let me know were else I should put it. :D 2011-10-19T20:43:16 McLeopold: on the windows thing, there should be small guide on how to add it to PATH 2011-10-19T20:43:24 yeah, I know... 2011-10-19T20:43:38 I didn't want to mess with windows version differences yet :( 2011-10-19T20:43:53 linux and mac should have python already 2011-10-19T20:44:07 I believe I mention that :) 2011-10-19T20:44:20 It's all in the wiki, so feel free to correct :) 2011-10-19T20:44:24 ok 2011-10-19T20:45:00 And add notes to pages to stop as many dumb questions in here as you can :) 2011-10-19T20:46:41 aarossig: can I completely redo the css reset? 2011-10-19T20:46:51 McLeopold: sure 2011-10-19T20:50:23 *** Niedar has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T20:50:32 *** sunmoon has quit IRC (Quit: sunmoon) 2011-10-19T20:50:32 *** arscan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T20:50:52 does the game send out any updates to about a hill that was just killed? 2011-10-19T20:52:10 in other words how do we know that anthill was successfully razed other than ant being on top of it? 2011-10-19T20:53:30 *** swizec_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T20:57:10 McLeopold: I didn't create the css 2011-10-19T20:58:55 when start блиадь 2011-10-19T21:02:12 amstan: If the start date is finalized, put it in /topic. 2011-10-19T21:02:20 aichallenge: Marco Leise * r9b07ccf / ants/visualizer/js/Application.js : playback button bar width aligns to the right of the map view - http://git.io/7lroVA 2011-10-19T21:02:20 This way the question will not be asked every five minutes. 2011-10-19T21:02:37 nobody reads the topic before asking :p 2011-10-19T21:02:40 Wait, people read the topic? 2011-10-19T21:03:01 hmm, can a bot output comments? 2011-10-19T21:03:27 *** amstan changes topic to "AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge || Submissions and signups for the beta have closed. They will reopen when the contest starts tomorrow (Oct 20). Please be patient while we make the final touches."." 2011-10-19T21:04:16 amstan: what is with that ". at the end of the topic? 2011-10-19T21:04:33 *** amstan changes topic to "AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge || Submissions and signups for the beta have closed. They will reopen when the contest starts tomorrow (Oct 20). Please be patient while we make the final touches." 2011-10-19T21:06:19 ermau: Well, at least then you can say "read the topic". 2011-10-19T21:06:24 :P 2011-10-19T21:06:34 (Less kindly, if that's your style.) 2011-10-19T21:09:24 *** haskeller has quit IRC () 2011-10-19T21:12:16 aichallenge: Marco Leise * rf78572f / ants/visualizer/js/Application.js : minor change - http://git.io/AIHjrQ 2011-10-19T21:12:32 *** rr5 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T21:13:36 *** dustmote has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T21:13:39 *** hhdd has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T21:15:01 urgh, zeta. 2011-10-19T21:16:27 RTFT? 2011-10-19T21:16:41 *** xar0l has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T21:17:14 if it were more testable i might be more inclined to work on it 2011-10-19T21:20:57 maybe in december i'll take an axe to it so i don't need to worry about s3 while testing it 2011-10-19T21:21:34 *** chaudeau has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T21:24:42 Hmm, once a bot is eliminated, the engine seems to still wait for it to end it's turn (which it won't do) 2011-10-19T21:25:08 So if you increase the turn time to allow for debugger stepping.. you end up having to kill the python process manually 2011-10-19T21:25:29 *** Larose has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T21:27:28 Is there something in the engine that actually kills processes? Every time I try to attach a debugger, the process dies 2011-10-19T21:27:53 ermau: does it time out? 2011-10-19T21:28:04 yes, i think the engine does kill the process 2011-10-19T21:28:04 amstan: Well I set the timeout to 2 minutes, so it shouldn't 2011-10-19T21:28:11 unless the param is getting ignored 2011-10-19T21:28:30 which is what it feels like 2011-10-19T21:28:58 unless there's a separate timer it pays attention to before the first turn completes? 2011-10-19T21:29:11 yes, that too i think 2011-10-19T21:29:23 That's probably it then.. I didn't see an arg for it in the batch file 2011-10-19T21:29:58 *** ejls has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2011-10-19T21:30:22 ah, loadtime 2011-10-19T21:30:36 *** ibdknox_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-19T21:30:39 *** ejls has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T21:30:43 or not.. 2011-10-19T21:31:01 *** ibdknox_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T21:31:14 oh! 2011-10-19T21:31:30 I see, the args in the batch script are misleading (and therefore my original statement is incorrect) 2011-10-19T21:31:48 --end_wait was the only timing arg, so I figured it was the turn timer 2011-10-19T21:31:50 *** gnok has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T21:32:34 aichallenge: Marco Leise * r884da44 / (8 files in 2 dirs): fixed "game #:" displaying without an actual game id in example games - http://git.io/pae86Q 2011-10-19T21:36:02 *** ibdknox_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-10-19T21:37:40 amstan: Do you know how to update the markdown? I made a little change that should add captions to the replays in the tutorials, but I cannot test it. 2011-10-19T21:38:13 mleise: run ./setup.py from aichallenge/website 2011-10-19T21:38:21 *** guest161 has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T21:41:24 amstan: thank you. and I see it do something, but it probably doesn't fetch the new content from github (?) 2011-10-19T21:41:38 mleise: cd aichallenge.wiki&&git pull 2011-10-19T21:43:29 Looks like I went and modified too much of the starter.. my bot and the engine see completely different states -_- 2011-10-19T21:44:34 ...huh, only when I deny attaching a debugger 2011-10-19T21:45:18 aichallenge: Marco Leise * rb632afe / ants/visualizer/js/Application.js : missed an assignment - http://git.io/Xkp9qA 2011-10-19T21:46:52 *** djr_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T21:47:06 *** VaderSeven has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T21:47:36 aichallenge: Marco Leise * rd375bf6 / ants/visualizer/js/Application.js : ...now it should really work - http://git.io/hcUoDA 2011-10-19T21:50:51 I understand this competition starts tomorrow, but when does it end? 2011-10-19T21:51:10 *** gnok has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-10-19T21:52:00 ~2 months later :) 2011-10-19T21:53:28 *** mattfedd_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T21:54:26 *** xar0l has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T21:54:47 *** ruser has quit IRC (Quit: brb) 2011-10-19T21:55:12 *** ruser has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T22:00:56 *** flaggy has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T22:01:47 *** dustmote has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T22:04:20 *** flaggy has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-19T22:08:46 *** vitou has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T22:09:49 *** vitou has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-19T22:15:00 *** gnok has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T22:19:43 *** ibdknox has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T22:20:44 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T22:26:26 *** AllenLi has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T22:27:27 *** gnok has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-10-19T22:27:31 *** moises has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T22:33:05 *** ibdknox_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T22:35:40 *** meatroaf_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T22:36:00 *** ibdknox has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-10-19T22:36:34 *** yy is now known as yydesktop 2011-10-19T22:36:36 *** rajn has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T22:36:50 *** rr5 has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-19T22:37:17 *** itelichko has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T22:38:16 *** yydesktop is now known as yy 2011-10-19T22:42:23 *** rr has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T22:47:48 *** itelichko has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T22:47:51 *** loverl has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T22:48:55 *** gnok has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T23:01:00 1 2011-10-19T23:01:42 *** meatroaf_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T23:03:31 *** the_real_crimper has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T23:04:53 hi 2011-10-19T23:05:04 hey 2011-10-19T23:05:19 i am not able to find tools.zip can anybody help me 2011-10-19T23:05:51 I had that problem too. 2011-10-19T23:06:14 rajn: http://aichallenge.org/using_the_tools.php 2011-10-19T23:06:27 umm http://aichallenge.org/tools.zip 2011-10-19T23:06:27 just click on which operating system you use. 2011-10-19T23:06:43 that works too 2011-10-19T23:09:55 *** dvladim has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T23:13:03 thank you 2011-10-19T23:15:19 *** dvladim has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-10-19T23:17:40 *** gnok has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T23:19:23 *** djr_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-10-19T23:22:53 jbroman, amstan: Did you consider using existing OS functionality to set the process cpu affinity? 2011-10-19T23:23:11 mleise: what do you mean by existing? 2011-10-19T23:23:20 taskset I imagine 2011-10-19T23:23:28 janzert: yes 2011-10-19T23:23:55 mleise: it's something that would be nice to add to the sandboxing yes 2011-10-19T23:24:22 the affinity would have to be updated each turn though 2011-10-19T23:25:28 the only real worry about doing it would be how much it would slow the engine down 2011-10-19T23:25:42 other than that it's just a matter of getting it written 2011-10-19T23:28:06 *** Arukim has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T23:28:44 *** yjroot has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T23:29:18 How can I create account? 2011-10-19T23:29:28 the question is when 2011-10-19T23:30:05 how is easy, click on sign up 2011-10-19T23:30:52 it says "Account Creation Closed" 2011-10-19T23:30:53 janzert: When exactly (Waterloo time) will the contest start? 2011-10-19T23:31:38 sometime between 17:00 and 0:00 hours tomorrow 2011-10-19T23:32:03 i.e. 17.5 to 24.5 hours from now 2011-10-19T23:32:22 most likely closer to the latter than the former 2011-10-19T23:33:07 ok 2011-10-19T23:33:15 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T23:33:51 yjroot: that's the answer to 'when' 2011-10-19T23:34:16 thanks :) 2011-10-19T23:35:37 *** djr_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T23:39:10 *** Arukim has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-19T23:39:42 *** blacklingo has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T23:39:49 McLeopold: ping 2011-10-19T23:40:07 also amstan 2011-10-19T23:40:11 yes? 2011-10-19T23:40:52 *** DrAlan3 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-19T23:41:46 see IM :) 2011-10-19T23:42:52 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T23:44:25 amstan: http://s15.radikal.ru/i189/1110/ad/033bb8d8740a.jpg But last 2 tabs doesn't work, I've made them invisible :) 2011-10-19T23:45:17 *** VaderSeven has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-19T23:45:25 *** VaderSeven has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T23:45:30 UncleVasya: cool 2011-10-19T23:46:01 UncleVasya: what's it written in again? 2011-10-19T23:46:20 Delphi. 2011-10-19T23:46:23 you could get a html thing going, and interface with the visualizer 2011-10-19T23:46:54 but you'll have to stay away from the IE engine, either gecko or webkit 2011-10-19T23:47:11 <_flag> So does the contest start in 15 minutes? Or 24 hours and 15 minutes? 2011-10-19T23:47:25 _flag: longer one 2011-10-19T23:47:34 _flag: but could be shorter 2011-10-19T23:47:37 <_flag> So it starts the 21st then? 2011-10-19T23:47:49 <_flag> Or just whenever you guys feel like launching? 2011-10-19T23:47:50 definatelly not in 1 hour 2011-10-19T23:48:02 let's just say near the end of the 20th 2011-10-19T23:49:45 *** sunmoon has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-19T23:52:15 *** dr0b3rts has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-10-19T23:55:14 amstan: I think it will be difficult for me. The last thing I plan to do is 'do make somehow a comfort picking maps that I want to test on' ©InsaneMalkavian. 2011-10-19T23:57:16 mleise: ping 2011-10-19T23:57:31 janzert: what's up? 2011-10-19T23:58:03 setting up new server, got this error http://pastebin.com/Rfqw8TVN 2011-10-19T23:58:19 missing a build tool? 2011-10-19T23:58:52 *** moises has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-19T23:59:50 no, I added Rhino as a submodule, since the devs moved the code over to github as well