2011-10-20T00:00:16 Is there no "checkout all submodules" in the build script? 2011-10-20T00:00:22 ahh, git repo doesn't have the submodules inited yet 2011-10-20T00:00:34 nope, not automatically 2011-10-20T00:01:49 janzert: is that new server a http server? 2011-10-20T00:02:13 an http server? 2011-10-20T00:02:14 a "manager" or whatever you call them? 2011-10-20T00:02:19 yes 2011-10-20T00:03:58 janzert: can i have the hostname? 2011-10-20T00:04:33 not yet, I'm starting over ;) 2011-10-20T00:04:36 lol 2011-10-20T00:04:38 ok 2011-10-20T00:04:41 well, tomorrow then 2011-10-20T00:04:41 *** McLeopold1 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T00:05:19 *** kakashi_ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2011-10-20T00:05:19 *** morganb has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-20T00:05:20 *** McLeopold has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-20T00:05:54 *** the_real_crimper has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-20T00:05:59 this time I'll start with the contest setup since it is most likely to go wrong to a point that I want to start fresh, rather than save it to the end :/ 2011-10-20T00:06:25 *** the_real_crimper has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T00:06:31 *** dvladim has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T00:06:32 it is a lovely thing about ec2 though 2011-10-20T00:07:14 anyone have any tips for a newcomer to these competitions? 2011-10-20T00:07:27 *** Knekkebjoern has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T00:07:33 try not to let it interfere with your life too much ;) 2011-10-20T00:07:49 *** chris___0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T00:09:19 you're a little late, i have an essay due tomorrow i've been putting off by reading info on this 2011-10-20T00:09:32 *** jhines has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T00:10:01 the contest claims it's first victim before it even launches :P 2011-10-20T00:10:06 Will all the starter kits be ready by tomorrow? 2011-10-20T00:10:24 *** dr0b3rts has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T00:10:38 Knekkebjoern: probably not many than are ready now, maybe one or two more 2011-10-20T00:10:45 *** chris__0076 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-10-20T00:10:45 *** Ephemera has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T00:10:57 we've always supported more languages than we had starter bots for 2011-10-20T00:11:22 ok, I'll have to figure out how to get Clojure working 2011-10-20T00:11:31 how long does the contest run? I didn't see that info 2011-10-20T00:11:35 djr_: There is a solid guide for newcomers: http://aichallenge.org/ants_tutorial.php 2011-10-20T00:11:52 Knekkebjoern: until December. 2011-10-20T00:11:55 there is a Clojure bot in the git repo, I'm not sure it is complete though 2011-10-20T00:12:17 and yes, approximately 2 months running time 2011-10-20T00:12:21 *** Niedar has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-20T00:12:24 *** Count_Niedar has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T00:13:02 djr_: Is it enough or you wanna ask something else? 2011-10-20T00:13:09 what does ilk stand for? 2011-10-20T00:13:12 that's ok, don't need complete. Just a starting point 2011-10-20T00:13:49 oh, no i've already read a lot of that 2011-10-20T00:13:59 i just meant tips from anyone who has done these sort of competitions before 2011-10-20T00:14:11 protips 2011-10-20T00:14:29 hi 2011-10-20T00:14:31 djr_: warning, this contest is addictive 2011-10-20T00:14:45 *** rockzombie2 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T00:14:45 what does ilk stand for? 2011-10-20T00:14:46 i can have a partner right? 2011-10-20T00:14:50 djr_: yes 2011-10-20T00:15:05 ok cool. he doesnt program but he likes theory of strategy games 2011-10-20T00:15:20 hello, all 2011-10-20T00:15:50 hello zombie 2011-10-20T00:15:51 how are you? 2011-10-20T00:15:53 *** Knekkebjoern1 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T00:15:58 pretty good 2011-10-20T00:16:11 *** Knekkebjoern has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T00:16:28 one thing I would recommend is not to get too commited to any one technique right at the start of the contest but keep your mind opening to changing your approach for a while as you get some experience in how your bot is working out 2011-10-20T00:17:02 hm 2011-10-20T00:17:18 quick question, it sounds dumb (and it is kinda dumb) but how can you "look" in your visible area around the ant and find food, or enemies? because so far I just know how to check to see if the space is unoccupied and passable 2011-10-20T00:18:14 *** mindeavor has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T00:18:16 not sure if this is what you mean but the engine will automatically send you the information on everything you can see 2011-10-20T00:18:34 *** kakashi_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T00:18:37 for ants, food and hills it sends that information every turn, for water just on the first turn you see it 2011-10-20T00:20:02 djr_: I did previous one and I think have some experience to help you in general. 2011-10-20T00:20:10 working through the tutorial might help explain how your bot can handle that information 2011-10-20T00:20:39 so in C# at least, there is a Tile array called map, but the thing is it's private. so how am i supposed to check where the food is? 2011-10-20T00:20:42 *** oops has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T00:20:54 oh where is the tutorial? 2011-10-20T00:21:07 oh i see it 2011-10-20T00:21:09 1. Do version control. Even without special tools, you can just archive every version you uploading to the site. 2011-10-20T00:21:17 great :) 2011-10-20T00:21:17 *** eashoka has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T00:22:01 it's set up for python and java at the moment but hopefully it will explain the same approach used in the C# bot 2011-10-20T00:22:05 2. Do not hardcode any numbers (like attack radius, view radius). It can be changed. Last contest many guys got their bots crashed when max amout of planets changed. 2011-10-20T00:22:17 yes i was actually looking up information on git right now 2011-10-20T00:22:23 i haven't worked with version control much 2011-10-20T00:22:48 and i am aware of the hardcoding numbers issue 2011-10-20T00:23:22 Me too, I just store zip archives like MyBot_10.zip, MyBot_18.zip 2011-10-20T00:24:08 also what time zone is the time to start the contest? because it's the 20th where I'm from 2011-10-20T00:24:33 @tutoral 2011-10-20T00:24:34 janzert: I do not know about 'tutoral', but I do know about these similar topics: 'tutorial' 2011-10-20T00:24:38 @tutorial 2011-10-20T00:24:39 janzert: tutorial could be http://aichallenge.com/ants_tutorial.php. 2011-10-20T00:24:47 yay it works when I can spell 2011-10-20T00:25:00 rockzombie2: that would be tomorrow for you then 2011-10-20T00:25:05 rockzombie2: expect it to be closer to 24 hours from now 2011-10-20T00:25:29 *** perryh has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T00:25:46 :< 2011-10-20T00:26:35 3. Sometime you have a good idea but you need a lot of time to implement it. And you think 'for now I'll do it in another, simplier way and later will rewrite this function'. Don't even try, do in the good way from the beginning. 2011-10-20T00:27:46 *** dvladim has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-10-20T00:28:02 *** Vivitron has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-20T00:28:07 4. Keep your code clear, do refactoring. In the end of previous one I had a long wall of code and adding things were become harder and harder. But it's about every program :) 2011-10-20T00:28:14 *** Vivitron has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T00:30:09 5. Don't forget to sleep :D As amstan said this contest is _very_ addictive. We need you alive. 2011-10-20T00:30:32 talking about sleep 2011-10-20T00:30:35 stop pinging me 2011-10-20T00:30:37 lol 2011-10-20T00:31:05 *** vedas has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T00:33:39 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-10-20T00:35:13 anyone know what time is it open? 2011-10-20T00:37:34 *** ibdknox_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-20T00:37:52 *** Eruonen has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T00:38:08 *** ibdknox has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T00:38:23 Ephemera: It's between 15-23 hours from this moment. 2011-10-20T00:38:55 *** onensora has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-10-20T00:39:09 thx 2011-10-20T00:41:09 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC () 2011-10-20T00:42:59 *** ibdknox has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-10-20T00:44:17 janzert: you still need me? 2011-10-20T00:44:56 how late will this challenge run? 2011-10-20T00:45:51 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T00:45:54 rmmh: roughly 2 months 2011-10-20T00:46:28 *** McLeopold1 is now known as McLeopold 2011-10-20T00:46:30 people are pretty antsy about a few hours either direction... 2011-10-20T00:47:06 people are just excited 2011-10-20T00:47:41 :))) 2011-10-20T00:47:43 indeed 2011-10-20T00:47:44 i know i am 2011-10-20T00:47:50 *** foRei has quit IRC (Quit: Bye) 2011-10-20T00:51:53 Is there any kind of ordering to ant rows we're passed (in other words, could we use it to actually track our own ants from one turn to the next) ? 2011-10-20T00:52:11 ermau: nope 2011-10-20T00:52:21 :( 2011-10-20T00:53:33 *** ChrisH_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T00:54:13 *** perryh has quit IRC (Quit: perryh) 2011-10-20T00:58:01 *** akoshodi has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T01:00:17 *** amstan_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T01:00:23 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan_ 2011-10-20T01:02:12 *** mattfedd has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T01:02:33 *** akoshodi has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T01:04:02 *** hhdd has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T01:04:24 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-20T01:05:25 *** Eruonen has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-10-20T01:07:29 *** Zacru has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T01:08:06 When does account creation re-open? 2011-10-20T01:09:26 Zacru: type @topic, then read it 2011-10-20T01:09:50 @topic 2011-10-20T01:09:50 Zacru: AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge || Submissions and signups for the beta have closed. They will reopen when the contest starts tomorrow (Oct 20). Please be patient while we make the final touches. 2011-10-20T01:10:16 Thank you. 2011-10-20T01:10:19 np :) 2011-10-20T01:10:38 *** jonathanasdf has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T01:11:19 @time 2011-10-20T01:11:19 Accoun: 01:11 AM, October 20, 2011 2011-10-20T01:11:33 *** Areks has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T01:13:47 *** sunmoon has quit IRC (Quit: sunmoon) 2011-10-20T01:19:03 nice. one of the spawn locations is stuck in a wall in http://213.88.39.97:2080/map/multi_maze_02.map 2011-10-20T01:19:43 a1k0n: all the disabled maps at the bottom of http://antsbeta.janzert.com/maps.php have that issue 2011-10-20T01:20:00 the map generator now has a fix to prevent it of course 2011-10-20T01:20:03 is there a connected-components check on the map generator now? 2011-10-20T01:20:38 the problem was that it didn't have a check that it was placing the hill on land and not water 2011-10-20T01:20:58 i love the map stats page 2011-10-20T01:21:18 a1k0n: we have a lot of checks written, but not fully implemented yet 2011-10-20T01:21:19 it's fun to go through 2011-10-20T01:21:24 nice. but is that enough? a map generator could theoretically isolate land from everything 2011-10-20T01:21:40 yeah, it could 2011-10-20T01:21:50 (that could be considered a feature, unless only one player has a hill on it) 2011-10-20T01:21:57 I don't think any of the current ones can though 2011-10-20T01:22:00 I'm checking that 66% is traversable by a 3x3 block, that 100% is traversable by an ant 2011-10-20T01:22:14 there are multiple generators for the different map types btw 2011-10-20T01:22:35 they'll all be run through the master at some point, to do all the checks 2011-10-20T01:23:35 How many people would be interested in an ActionScript 3 starter pack? I'm considering trying to whip one up but not sure if it'll be worth the effort 2011-10-20T01:24:28 how does one run actionscript3 on the command line? 2011-10-20T01:24:37 redtamarin 2011-10-20T01:24:49 I don't know about ActionScript, but Erlang would be pretty nice. 2011-10-20T01:24:53 ah. 2011-10-20T01:25:07 Erlang probably is supported because I saw someone with Erlang on the scoreboards... 2011-10-20T01:25:50 I didn't see a link for one on the Starter Packages page. 2011-10-20T01:25:57 erlang seems like an odd choice compared to, i dunno, ocaml or haskell for this 2011-10-20T01:26:14 http://aichallenge.org/language_profile.php?language=Erlang 2011-10-20T01:26:41 http://aichallenge.org/starter_packages.php 2011-10-20T01:27:02 yeah just because there's no starter package doesn't mean it's unsupported 2011-10-20T01:27:03 loverl: there are several languages there that are supported but don't have a starter package 2011-10-20T01:27:21 in the end, you just need to take a certain input on stdin and output something on stdout 2011-10-20T01:27:27 yeah 2011-10-20T01:27:32 and the building magic has to support it 2011-10-20T01:27:50 Ah, okay then. So if I whip up my own stuff, I'd be fine then. 2011-10-20T01:28:07 well you can't use some language that they can't run 2011-10-20T01:28:17 right, but for Erlang 2011-10-20T01:28:21 yep 2011-10-20T01:28:41 jonathanasdf: we would first need instructions on how to install it on ubuntu 2011-10-20T01:29:11 that wouldn't take much. 2011-10-20T01:29:29 if it's regarding redtamarin I haven't tried installing it on my side either 2011-10-20T01:29:39 just gauging interest 2011-10-20T01:30:23 because I have a few friends who don't know any other languages and doesn't want to learn any other languages but wants to compete... lol 2011-10-20T01:31:00 Well, maybe I'll do something with erlang after I finish a shortest path algorithm and and a few other checks here and there.. 2011-10-20T01:31:15 Or perl. 2011-10-20T01:32:04 Perl seems more tempting because I'd be less that I have to write myself. 2011-10-20T01:32:41 I'm not that familiar with perl but isn't it kinda hard to make it OO? 2011-10-20T01:33:31 and it's not a functional language either 2011-10-20T01:35:43 I'm not sure. I'm learning it now because I'm going into system administration. I guess I'd be doing it because not many people would. Same thing with Erlang. 2011-10-20T01:36:29 doesn't seem like a great reason for doing so :P 2011-10-20T01:36:44 sounds almost like you don't want to get top100 2011-10-20T01:37:18 aichallenge: McLeopold * r4ae5b09 / sql/0_schema.sql : update to indexes - http://git.io/YkkIBg 2011-10-20T01:37:20 *** Chris_0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T01:37:47 *** chris___0076 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-20T01:37:56 Well, if at some point, I get in the top 100, I'll be fine. I'm hoping my python version will do it because I know python better than any other language that I've been learning. 2011-10-20T01:38:14 *** danielharan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T01:38:42 *** blacklingo has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5) 2011-10-20T01:39:29 *** danielharan has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T01:39:59 btw I created my own Makefile for the c++ starter project that actually remakes when a header changes (eg when you change Bug.h to show/hide debug output) here: http://pastie.org/2727968 2011-10-20T01:41:48 The problem description still says that bots will receive a list of land squares which haven't been seen before. This isn't going to happen now, is it? http://aichallenge.org/problem_description.php 2011-10-20T01:42:06 Unless it's already happened without my noticing... 2011-10-20T01:42:35 *** llama has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T01:42:45 no, pretty sure you're right 2011-10-20T01:43:00 why is account creation closed? 2011-10-20T01:43:01 *** llama is now known as Guest75192 2011-10-20T01:43:09 @topic 2011-10-20T01:43:09 janzert: AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge || Submissions and signups for the beta have closed. They will reopen when the contest starts tomorrow (Oct 20). Please be patient while we make the final touches. 2011-10-20T01:43:26 janzert: can we change that to Oct 21st? 2011-10-20T01:43:26 *** Guest75192 has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T01:43:35 for the austrailians? 2011-10-20T01:43:48 or at least mention it is late 20th EST 2011-10-20T01:44:05 would be fine with me, but I'm not sure offhand how to change it ;) 2011-10-20T01:44:15 @learn 2011-10-20T01:44:15 McLeopold: (learn [] as ) -- Associates with . is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value. 2011-10-20T01:44:37 I don't think that's the right one 2011-10-20T01:44:53 @help topic 2011-10-20T01:44:53 janzert: (topic []) -- Returns the topic for . is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. 2011-10-20T01:45:21 @learn topic \o/ 2011-10-20T01:45:21 McLeopold: (learn [] as ) -- Associates with . is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value. 2011-10-20T01:45:39 I think Zannick edited it earlier but I wasn't paying attention to how 2011-10-20T01:45:43 @learn topic as \o/ 2011-10-20T01:45:43 McLeopold: I think that worked... 2011-10-20T01:45:48 @topic 2011-10-20T01:45:48 McLeopold: AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge || Submissions and signups for the beta have closed. They will reopen when the contest starts tomorrow (Oct 20). Please be patient while we make the final touches. 2011-10-20T01:45:55 ooops :) 2011-10-20T01:46:01 @forget 2011-10-20T01:46:01 McLeopold: (forget [] [|*]) -- Removes a key-fact relationship for key from the factoids database. If there is more than one such relationship for this key, a number is necessary to determine which one should be removed. A * can be used to remove all relationships for . If as a result, the key (factoid) remains without any relationships to a factoid (key), it (1 more message) 2011-10-20T01:46:27 I think the learned keys are only checked after the built in commands :) 2011-10-20T01:46:28 *** DrAlan3 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T01:47:20 McLeopold: land squares being sent can be removed from the problem description right? 2011-10-20T01:47:26 yep 2011-10-20T01:51:47 *** rockzombie2 has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T01:51:58 *** AE has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T01:52:26 *** eashoka has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T01:52:44 janzert: i used /topic :P 2011-10-20T01:52:58 *** sunmoon has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T01:53:02 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2011-10-20T01:53:13 ahh 2011-10-20T01:53:15 *** r00b has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T01:53:21 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Zannick 2011-10-20T01:53:26 *** Zannick changes topic to "AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge || Submissions and signups for the beta have closed. They will reopen when the contest starts tomorrow (Oct 21). Please be patient while we make the final touches." 2011-10-20T01:53:29 guess only amstan knows the magic contestbot incantation 2011-10-20T01:53:31 that good? 2011-10-20T01:53:57 qq, python starter package contains only two .py files ? -- what about the game sim ? 2011-10-20T01:53:58 *** sunmoon has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T01:53:59 late Oct 20th EST is probably more accurate 2011-10-20T01:54:00 yeah, i didn't want to try to figure it out :P 2011-10-20T01:54:05 *** EA_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T01:54:22 r00b: http://antsbeta.janzert.com/using_the_tools.php is what you want 2011-10-20T01:54:34 the starter package is just the bot 2011-10-20T01:54:57 *** Zannick changes topic to "AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge || Submissions and signups for the beta have closed. They will reopen when the contest starts later today (Oct 20). Please be patient while we make the final touches." 2011-10-20T01:55:16 janzert: Thanks. (wasn't obvious to me). 2011-10-20T01:55:31 http://antsbeta.janzert.com/Ants_Five_Minute_Quickstart_Guide/ dead link o.o 2011-10-20T01:55:39 Also, sign-up is not yet opened, correect? 2011-10-20T01:55:45 *** Zannick sets mode: -o Zannick 2011-10-20T01:55:52 r00b: right 2011-10-20T01:55:57 *** hhdd has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T01:55:58 jonathanasdf: from where? 2011-10-20T01:56:19 it should be to ants_tutorial.php 2011-10-20T01:56:39 What does 'spawn radius' mean? 2011-10-20T01:56:52 useing_the_tools.php works for me 2011-10-20T01:56:56 janzert: from your using the tools page 2011-10-20T01:57:21 very first line: "So you completed the Ants Five Minute Quickstart Guide" 2011-10-20T01:58:07 *** Zacru has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T01:58:27 *** the-mgt has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T01:59:13 btw, you guys do know this bug already right? http://ai-contest.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1503 2011-10-20T01:59:33 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T01:59:36 *** mleise has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-20T02:00:59 yes, mleise filed it in the issue tracker 2011-10-20T02:01:11 *** stalcup has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T02:02:21 *** lurker has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T02:03:31 *** EA_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T02:03:47 <_flag> How many workers do you guys expect to be running at launch? 2011-10-20T02:04:09 <_flag> Because at the current rate of games a tcp server is desperately needed 2011-10-20T02:04:55 there is some tcp server that was just posted in the forums I think 2011-10-20T02:04:57 *** EA_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T02:05:17 http://ai-contest.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1505 2011-10-20T02:05:19 probably unofficial though 2011-10-20T02:05:32 and just for this current block of time where submissions are disabled 2011-10-20T02:07:19 *** mattfedd has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T02:07:20 *** lynxnathan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T02:07:26 *** EA_ has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T02:07:35 <_flag> Oh okay, I didn't realize someone set one up 2011-10-20T02:08:05 _flag: we currently have funding for 4 or 5 for the length of the contest 2011-10-20T02:08:17 *** stalcup has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T02:08:37 but I don't plan on starting with all of them right off 2011-10-20T02:08:49 <_flag> Perhaps you should add a feature that allows people to disable their bots if they don't want to be ranked atm, which allows for the conservation of resources? 2011-10-20T02:08:52 we'll see how fast users end up signing up tomorrow 2011-10-20T02:09:04 Good evening gentleman, would anyone be so kindly as to answer me when will the deadline for the contest be? 2011-10-20T02:09:11 <_flag> Because if I upload something I can't stop it, even if it's an old version that I don't care how it's doing 2011-10-20T02:09:16 <_flag> Or it's just a starter bot or whatever 2011-10-20T02:09:20 that would be a nice feature, but I doubt many would use it 2011-10-20T02:09:29 <_flag> You can encourage people to use it 2011-10-20T02:10:08 <_flag> Just leave a message saying, "If you do not wish to be ranked atm, you may disable your bot temporairly to allow others to play more games. This will not affect your entry into the contest." 2011-10-20T02:10:26 there has been talk of automatically disabling a submission after some time period unless the owner takes an action to keep it going 2011-10-20T02:10:26 <_flag> So if I upload a buggy version, I can disable it until I fix the issue 2011-10-20T02:10:38 e.g. clicks a button in his profile 2011-10-20T02:10:50 <_flag> Hmm... that could work 2011-10-20T02:11:06 <_flag> How about a combination of that and if it's a top bot it keeps going automatically? 2011-10-20T02:11:17 but of course none of these ideas have been actually coded so... 2011-10-20T02:11:22 <_flag> Haha 2011-10-20T02:11:28 *** r00b_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T02:11:53 yeah, we would not want the top bots to be disabled automatically 2011-10-20T02:12:11 Anyone else seeing OOM when piping sim output to Java Visualizer, known issue ? 2011-10-20T02:12:33 r00b_: not that I've heard anyone mention 2011-10-20T02:12:42 did you run with -So? 2011-10-20T02:13:00 Yes with -So 2011-10-20T02:14:42 does anyone know if there is a date set for the contest deadline? 2011-10-20T02:14:59 BTW, I opened up reply.html in browser and that seems to work much better 2011-10-20T02:15:32 *** r00b has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T02:16:00 lynxnathan: I'm wondering that too actually 2011-10-20T02:17:31 <_flag> Anyone want to play a game on tcp? 2011-10-20T02:17:36 _flag: I've already got a field in the database for automatic shutoff :) 2011-10-20T02:17:47 oooh, link? 2011-10-20T02:17:49 <_flag> McLeopold: Okay, sounds good :) 2011-10-20T02:17:56 <_flag> http://ai-contest.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1505 2011-10-20T02:18:02 <_flag> It's Accoun's 2011-10-20T02:18:06 <_flag> well, not his code 2011-10-20T02:18:10 <_flag> But he's hosting it 2011-10-20T02:22:54 where, oh, where is delt0r_'s manager :) 2011-10-20T02:23:11 janzert: I'm following http://aichallenge.org/ants_tutorial.php and at the end of the Create Test Script step it says "A browser should have launched to show you the game in the visualizer." but I don't see that happening :\ 2011-10-20T02:23:35 jonathanasdf: what is happening? 2011-10-20T02:23:50 just the table output 2011-10-20T02:23:56 do you see errors? 2011-10-20T02:23:58 the visualizer.jar doesn't auto-open 2011-10-20T02:23:59 no errors 2011-10-20T02:24:21 if I manually change tutorial.sh to pipe to the visualizer then it's fine 2011-10-20T02:24:25 but according to that tutorial it's supposed to automatically open even if I don't do that 2011-10-20T02:24:27 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5916270/pythons-webbrowser-launches-ie-instead-of-default-on-windows-7/5943706#5943706 2011-10-20T02:24:28 *** ltriant has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep) 2011-10-20T02:24:39 well it's not even launching ie 2011-10-20T02:24:46 That was my reaseach into how it works 2011-10-20T02:25:22 try launching from interactive mode 2011-10-20T02:25:44 *** oops has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T02:26:39 *** joffa has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T02:29:35 jonathanasdf: are you under a unix like OS or windows? 2011-10-20T02:29:37 asfd: could it be java plugin permissions in the browser, sure doesn't explain why browser doesn't work 2011-10-20T02:29:42 cygwin 2011-10-20T02:30:05 ahh, that's probably not been tried at all 2011-10-20T02:30:45 why cygwin? 2011-10-20T02:31:05 because 2011-10-20T02:31:06 lol 2011-10-20T02:31:14 why not cygwin? it's worked fine for me for everything else 2011-10-20T02:31:16 changing it to pipe the output might be the easiest 2011-10-20T02:31:45 well i'm going to mess around a bit with playgame and visualizer.. 2011-10-20T02:31:47 *** rr5 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T02:31:53 lots of little edge cases that could go funny 2011-10-20T02:31:55 :/ 2011-10-20T02:32:22 what's different between cygwin and an unix environment that would cause this problem? 2011-10-20T02:33:25 *** lurker has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T02:33:32 cygwin tries to add a unix enviroment on top of windows but there are myriad differences still 2011-10-20T02:33:35 jonathanasdf: no web browsers are installed in cygwin 2011-10-20T02:33:39 probably 2011-10-20T02:33:48 I bet your _tryorder is empty 2011-10-20T02:34:23 *** donpdonp has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T02:34:45 *** loverl has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T02:34:48 asfd: obviously there is something :) -- does which firefox-bin work ? 2011-10-20T02:35:19 can't find firefox-bin 2011-10-20T02:35:24 i'm going to try printing out _tryorder 2011-10-20T02:36:23 janzert: export BROWSER=~/AppData/Local/Google/Chrome/Application/chrome.exe 2011-10-20T02:36:26 jonathanasdf: ^^ 2011-10-20T02:36:36 put that in .profile 2011-10-20T02:39:02 jonathanasdf: but, its attempting to launch outside the cygwin environment, so can't find the file 2011-10-20T02:39:24 BROWSER just runs the file right? 2011-10-20T02:39:28 so it could point to a script? 2011-10-20T02:39:36 so I can just have a script that opens the browser outside of cygwin 2011-10-20T02:39:47 the webbrowser module checks that for a valid webbrowser executable 2011-10-20T02:40:08 this is what I get though file:///cygdrive/c/Users/Scott/git/aichallenge/ants/game_logs/replay.0.html 2011-10-20T02:40:32 so, I think I would need a junction at cygdrive/c pointing to the root 2011-10-20T02:42:15 ok good point, the brwoser can't open cygdrive paths 2011-10-20T02:42:30 but can't I just sed it or something lol 2011-10-20T02:42:30 *** glewis has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T02:42:44 i'm not familiar with python at all sadly 2011-10-20T02:42:59 it's a browser issue now, how is it going to read the file? 2011-10-20T02:43:09 thing is 2011-10-20T02:43:09 I don't think it takes stdin :) 2011-10-20T02:43:18 the brower doesn't even open a tab 2011-10-20T02:43:21 to that bad link 2011-10-20T02:43:25 so it's still not calling the browser 2011-10-20T02:43:33 using chrome? 2011-10-20T02:43:35 I have $BROWSER pointing to the firefox.exe 2011-10-20T02:43:42 should I be using chrome? lol 2011-10-20T02:43:48 where is the _tryorder thing? find tools/visualizer -type f -exec grep "_tryorder" {} \; gave nothing 2011-10-20T02:44:01 >>> import webbrowser 2011-10-20T02:44:07 >>> webbrowser._tryorder 2011-10-20T02:44:22 *** r00b_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T02:44:26 how do you open an interactive python prompt again? 2011-10-20T02:44:31 oh just python 2011-10-20T02:44:35 :) 2011-10-20T02:44:43 version 2.6? 2011-10-20T02:44:47 >>> webbrowser._tryorder ['/cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/Mozilla Firefox 4.0 Beta 12/firefox.exe'] 2011-10-20T02:45:11 2.6.5 2011-10-20T02:46:55 my firefox opens, but no url 2011-10-20T02:47:04 my firefox doesn't open and no url 2011-10-20T02:47:10 I think if I can get firefox to open I can get the url to work 2011-10-20T02:47:15 because if i cd into game_logs and then run 2011-10-20T02:47:19 windows replay.0.html 2011-10-20T02:47:27 it opens the page in firefox correctly 2011-10-20T02:47:29 if I open firefox first, it works 2011-10-20T02:47:38 my firefox is open right now and chatting and it doesn't work :P 2011-10-20T02:47:41 *** iris has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-10-20T02:48:38 ok sweet it works now 2011-10-20T02:52:08 jonathanasdf: edit visualize_locally.py 2011-10-20T02:52:36 line 60: webbrowser.open('file://'+os.path.realpath(generated_path).replace('cygdrive/c','C:')) 2011-10-20T02:52:44 *** glewis has quit IRC (Quit: glewis) 2011-10-20T02:52:51 yep 2011-10-20T02:55:09 what's the function for pattern replace in python? str.replace according to the docs only does substring replacement 2011-10-20T02:55:33 *** r3b00tx has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T02:55:37 import re 2011-10-20T02:56:12 Hi, do i need to know python to start with this? 2011-10-20T02:56:26 not really, it just needs to be installed 2011-10-20T02:56:33 r3b00tx: what language do you know? 2011-10-20T02:56:46 *** Larose has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-10-20T02:58:22 *** upgrayedd has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T02:59:13 McLeopold: i do know c, c++ and basics of java, delphi. 2011-10-20T03:00:55 *** Rainydays has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T03:01:13 thanks McLeopold, path_str = os.path.realpath(generated_path) path_str = re.sub(r'/cygdrive/(\w+)/', r'/\1://', path_str) webbrowser.open('file://' + path_str) worked 2011-10-20T03:01:29 McLeopold: will tat help me in anyway? btw basically i work on php, asp.net, c# at office. 2011-10-20T03:01:37 *** ChrisH_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T03:03:41 webbrowser.open('file://' + re.sub(r'/cygdrive/(\w+)/', r'/\1://', os.path.realpath(generated_path))) 2011-10-20T03:03:59 actually.... hm 2011-10-20T03:04:54 webbrowser.open('file://' + re.sub(r'^/cygdrive/(\w+)/', r'/\1://', os.path.realpath(generated_path))) 2011-10-20T03:04:56 that's probably better 2011-10-20T03:05:08 r3b00tx: well, you'll need python installed, and we support php and mono (.net stuff) 2011-10-20T03:05:19 *** InsaneMalkavian_ has left #aichallenge 2011-10-20T03:05:26 if can probably be integrated into the actual package and shouldn't affect any unix users except those that choose to have a folder named /cygdrive for some random reason.,.. 2011-10-20T03:05:48 jonathanasdf: I think your reason is more random than that :) 2011-10-20T03:06:01 dunno, I anticipate I won't be the only one using cygwin 2011-10-20T03:06:05 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-10-20T03:06:15 McLeopold: Think i m good to go. i m the linux guy, its all installed. thanks dude 2011-10-20T03:06:33 glad to see that the fix is simple though 2011-10-20T03:06:35 *** perryh has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T03:06:56 jonathanasdf: that and setting a .profile export up 2011-10-20T03:07:15 right 2011-10-20T03:07:40 can you post the full fix on the forum for others? if there is enough interest, I'll role it into the tools 2011-10-20T03:07:52 sure 2011-10-20T03:08:50 gonna try to implement increasing cost tree search for this contest, hope it proves to be useful 2011-10-20T03:10:33 *** boegel has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T03:11:13 McLeopold: My manager is coming soon 2011-10-20T03:11:42 I am busy of course and i havn't had time to update to the new rules 2011-10-20T03:11:56 fingers crossed for the weekend 2011-10-20T03:12:09 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T03:13:24 *** Accoun has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-20T03:13:32 *** rajn has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T03:14:38 *** dr0b3rts has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 6.0.1/20110830202826]) 2011-10-20T03:15:41 Can I use boost on the project? 2011-10-20T03:16:33 lynxnathan: what's boost? 2011-10-20T03:16:47 c++ library 2011-10-20T03:16:49 c++ lib? 2011-10-20T03:17:02 i think it comes with ubuntu 2011-10-20T03:17:04 so I'm guessing yes 2011-10-20T03:17:30 w00t, new contest \o/ 2011-10-20T03:17:37 unfortunately I won't have time 2011-10-20T03:17:43 I guess I'll have to make time :D 2011-10-20T03:17:57 jmcarthur: no Haskell starter package yet? is it in the works? 2011-10-20T03:21:03 *** danielharan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T03:21:47 *** ikaros has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T03:24:00 *** xunie-laptop has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-20T03:25:05 *** Blkt has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T03:27:49 McLeopold: http://ai-contest.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1506 good enough? 2011-10-20T03:28:18 hi 2011-10-20T03:28:34 is there a common lisp starter pack for linux? 2011-10-20T03:29:00 *** arscan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T03:29:01 good morning everyone 2011-10-20T03:29:26 Posterdati: I see one for debian on http://aichallenge.org/starter_packages.php 2011-10-20T03:29:42 *** uolot has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T03:30:05 jonathanasdf: ah ok 2011-10-20T03:30:26 jonathanasdf: in the aerique package there are a bunch of examples 2011-10-20T03:32:42 *** AGrishchenko has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T03:34:31 Posterdati: use aerique's one 2011-10-20T03:35:06 yes, nut I need to change the keyboard layout :) 2011-10-20T03:35:13 and the root password 2011-10-20T03:39:28 McLeopold: were going to reload that db schema? 2011-10-20T03:40:18 *** ztfw has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T03:47:37 *** Nea has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T03:48:59 *** Laie has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T03:50:01 when could i attend this? 2011-10-20T03:50:24 janzert: uh, yeah 2011-10-20T03:50:41 *** hhdd has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T03:50:59 janzert: done 2011-10-20T03:52:23 I think the other base data didn't get reloaded 2011-10-20T03:52:32 no coutries or schools defined 2011-10-20T03:53:28 ok, done 2011-10-20T03:53:46 that looks better :) 2011-10-20T03:56:39 *** MGrin has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T04:00:50 *** ikaros has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-10-20T04:08:54 *** danielha_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T04:12:24 *** danielharan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-10-20T04:13:43 *** avdg1 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T04:13:57 *** Nea has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T04:16:16 *** avdg has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-10-20T04:16:42 *** avdg has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T04:17:38 *** Tolsi has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T04:17:43 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T04:17:49 *** jonathanasdf has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T04:18:45 hey guys, when registration on aichallenge.org will be opened? 2011-10-20T04:19:27 *** avdg1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-10-20T04:19:37 *** aerique has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T04:19:44 aerique: hi 2011-10-20T04:20:25 aerique: I downloaded your ubuntu image for the ai-contest but I don't know the root password for it and I need to change the keyboard layout 2011-10-20T04:23:19 *** danielharan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T04:24:20 aham 2011-10-20T04:24:32 ubuntu derivatives doesnt have the root account enabled 2011-10-20T04:24:45 you can do everything with sudo 2011-10-20T04:24:57 if you want to remain root,do sudo su 2011-10-20T04:25:56 *** lynxnathan has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-10-20T04:26:12 *** danielha_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-10-20T04:26:32 mcstar: I don't even know the user password 2011-10-20T04:26:58 Posterdati: "reverse" 2011-10-20T04:27:33 Posterdati: and what mcstar wrote earlier is correct 2011-10-20T04:27:45 *** xathis has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T04:27:52 Posterdati: so either do "sudo command" or "sudo su" to become root 2011-10-20T04:28:18 Posterdati: the user password should have been in the instructions in the Emacs scratch buffer on boot 2011-10-20T04:28:39 *** wastinger has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T04:29:04 Posterdati: i'm at work currently so I can't check whether the pw actually is in the instructions 2011-10-20T04:29:08 Posterdati: sorry :) 2011-10-20T04:29:35 aerique: ok thanks 2011-10-20T04:30:09 What happens if I have only 1 hill and I gather 2 food? 2011-10-20T04:31:44 you will feel constipated 2011-10-20T04:31:48 wastinger: you wait a turn for the second ant 2011-10-20T04:32:02 make sure you move the first ant off the hill 2011-10-20T04:32:09 Ok thanks! 2011-10-20T04:32:32 *** Lurchi has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T04:32:58 *** Tolsi_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T04:33:00 *** aim__ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T04:33:04 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T04:33:17 *** Tolsi has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T04:33:46 "Sorry, submissions are closed." what is mean? 2011-10-20T04:33:57 McLeopold: is there an updated "hit count" graph somewhere? 2011-10-20T04:34:10 aim__: @topic 2011-10-20T04:34:16 @topic 2011-10-20T04:34:16 mcstar: AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge || Submissions and signups for the beta have closed. They will reopen when the contest starts later today (Oct 20). Please be patient while we make the final touches. 2011-10-20T04:34:41 thx) 2011-10-20T04:34:59 hi 2011-10-20T04:35:18 do you know when registering will be possible again? 2011-10-20T04:35:36 it says "Account Creation Closed" 2011-10-20T04:36:44 *** incandenza has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T04:36:44 uolot: probably by day's end, Waterloo university time 2011-10-20T04:37:13 aerique, mcstar: solved thanks 2011-10-20T04:37:14 danielharan: thanks 2011-10-20T04:42:17 Posterdati: don't hesitate to mail me if I'm not on IRC if you run into problems 2011-10-20T04:43:08 aerique: very well, thanks 2011-10-20T04:43:24 aerique: I'm an absolute beginner in Lisp and ai-contest :) 2011-10-20T04:44:53 *** DrAlan3 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T04:47:25 *** wastinger has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) 2011-10-20T04:49:26 hi aerique 2011-10-20T04:50:15 *** smly- has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-20T04:52:10 Posterdati: then I would be most grateful if you could send me a mail with your experiences, criticism and or comments after you've played around it for a while so I can improve it for the next challenge (first time for me) 2011-10-20T04:52:15 Blkt: hey :) 2011-10-20T04:52:16 *** smly- has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T04:52:19 :D 2011-10-20T04:52:29 aerique: good 2011-10-20T04:53:16 aerique: I'm running debian, so I don't really need your image to run bot :) but it's a good thing to have an image to do that 2011-10-20T04:53:43 is your email in the emacs message? 2011-10-20T04:54:17 Posterdati: hmm, i don't think so. i need to add that. it's aerique@xs4all.nl 2011-10-20T04:54:44 aerique: seems you were right, i would never think someone with linux already would download your image 2011-10-20T04:55:09 could not find ')' character in my image it keyboard layout 2011-10-20T04:55:25 mcstar: only curiosity 2011-10-20T04:55:45 *** toroto has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T04:55:57 mcstar: where could I donwload the ants environment? 2011-10-20T04:56:08 clone the github repo 2011-10-20T04:56:27 thats the easiest, im somewhat against downloading zip's or targz's 2011-10-20T04:56:29 *** Lurchi has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T04:56:37 and you can keep it up to date with git pull 2011-10-20T04:56:40 *** toroto has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T04:57:13 Posterdati: yes, someone on #lisp mentioned i had swapped the parens and the brackets. i have used that layout for so long i didn't notice :-( you can correct it in ~/.xmodmaprc (check the blog post) and either reloading that or rebooting 2011-10-20T04:57:14 *** serro has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T04:57:36 :D 2011-10-20T04:57:40 *** serro is now known as Guest49588 2011-10-20T04:58:11 aerique: did you tell to #lisp-ers that the contest is gonna start soon? 2011-10-20T04:58:29 i told them maybe a month ago? that it will happen, but not since 2011-10-20T04:59:19 aerique: good, done! Let's see if it works 2011-10-20T04:59:40 mcstar: where's the repo? 2011-10-20T04:59:58 @topic 2011-10-20T04:59:58 mcstar: AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge || Submissions and signups for the beta have closed. They will reopen when the contest starts later today (Oct 20). Please be patient while we make the final touches. 2011-10-20T05:00:08 mcstar: i sorta mentioned in the blog post but i didn't dare mentioning a specific date :) 2011-10-20T05:00:10 mcstar: found it! 2011-10-20T05:00:27 mcstar: common_lisp_starter_package.zip 2011-10-20T05:00:55 aerique: but now its time soon 2011-10-20T05:01:12 mcstar: feel free to tell them :) 2011-10-20T05:01:35 ok, i will as soon as they launch 2011-10-20T05:02:46 Posterdati: i made two (not very good with an awful voice) screencasts on setting up a CL environment for this challenge, links are in the blog post 2011-10-20T05:03:15 * aerique goes back to work 2011-10-20T05:04:10 aerique: thanks 2011-10-20T05:05:30 *** lrh9 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T05:05:52 Hello. 2011-10-20T05:11:14 *** Rainydays has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [SeaMonkey 2.4.1/20110928161145]) 2011-10-20T05:11:28 *** xathis has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T05:14:54 *** smly- has quit IRC (Quit: Tiarra 0.1+svn-36726: SIGTERM received; exit) 2011-10-20T05:15:31 *** DrAlan3 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T05:23:46 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T05:25:49 still beta? 2011-10-20T05:25:53 @time 2011-10-20T05:25:53 Accoun: 05:25 AM, October 20, 2011 2011-10-20T05:30:46 Accoun: restless? 2011-10-20T05:31:01 how's your tcp server? 2011-10-20T05:38:40 aerique: which blog? 2011-10-20T05:40:23 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2011-10-20T05:40:27 are beta accounts being kept or is everyone registering again? 2011-10-20T05:40:27 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2011-10-20T05:40:47 *** rr5 has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-20T05:40:50 *** dscy has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T05:42:07 Posterdati: i thought you had gotten hold of the vbox image through this: http://aerique.blogspot.com/2011/10/virtualbox-common-lisp-environment-for.html 2011-10-20T05:42:26 antimatroid: yes 2011-10-20T05:42:35 antimatroid: accounts will be wiped 2011-10-20T05:42:49 also have you seen the issue on C++ starter bug 2011-10-20T05:42:58 yeah, i'll fix that now 2011-10-20T05:43:11 *** Blkt has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-20T05:43:36 *** Blkt has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T05:45:31 aichallenge: Nick Ham * r39dffc2 / ants/dist/starter_bots/cpp/Square.h : fixed cpp starter bot bug - http://git.io/GK-iHw 2011-10-20T05:45:47 (sorry, busy busy with uni atm) 2011-10-20T05:46:02 thanks 2011-10-20T05:46:49 np 2011-10-20T05:47:08 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T05:50:52 *** mmaruseacph2 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T05:53:26 *** lrh9_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T05:57:11 *** lrh9 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-10-20T05:59:39 *** skyramp has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T05:59:51 *** uolot has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T06:01:38 *** danielharan has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-20T06:07:16 antimatroid: "cout.sync_with_stdio(0);" ? 2011-10-20T06:07:58 *** Chris_0076 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-20T06:08:20 *** mindeavor has quit IRC (Quit: mindeavor) 2011-10-20T06:10:21 *** chaudeau has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T06:12:55 *** Ephemera has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2011-10-20T06:13:01 mcstar: don't ask me why, but it makes output faster 2011-10-20T06:13:17 like noticably faster, do tests yourself if you don't trust me 2011-10-20T06:13:33 im not saying i dont trust you 2011-10-20T06:13:51 it at least has with the compilers i've used previously (mingw) 2011-10-20T06:14:04 but its weird, since you parse the input, wait hundreds of milisecs, and then write to stdout 2011-10-20T06:14:24 *** the-mgt has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-20T06:14:24 *** Ephemera has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T06:15:14 i am curious of your results if you do test it :P 2011-10-20T06:15:21 not the exact numbers, just whether there's a difference 2011-10-20T06:15:37 im not there yet, writing my bot from scratch 2011-10-20T06:15:46 i just wanted to see your file-structure 2011-10-20T06:16:00 yeah, just write a file that outputs like 10000 lines and compare with or without it 2011-10-20T06:16:26 k, maybe i will test it, later 2011-10-20T06:16:38 i found it nice to add a vector of neighbour locations to each square and update it so i could treat it like a graph 2011-10-20T06:16:50 that way with path finding you aren't constantly calculating adjacent locations 2011-10-20T06:16:57 and you never worry about searching onto water 2011-10-20T06:17:06 i didn't do that with the starter bot though 2011-10-20T06:17:35 i can't remember if i squared the euclidean metric in the starter bot either? but i don't know why anyone wouldn't 2011-10-20T06:17:40 is it faster than checking nn's? 2011-10-20T06:17:50 nn? 2011-10-20T06:17:59 nearest neigbors 2011-10-20T06:18:16 *** MGrin has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T06:18:28 normally with path finding you get to a square and have to calculate all the neighbours right? you can just store a vector of non-water neighbours and grab the locations from that 2011-10-20T06:18:46 and update the vectors as you get water information 2011-10-20T06:18:46 you have to traverse that vector too 2011-10-20T06:19:10 yes, but you don't have to calculate the 4 adjacent locations (and check if they're water) for every square you search 2011-10-20T06:19:17 and every time you search it 2011-10-20T06:19:18 calculating the positions of 4 nbors isnt much 2011-10-20T06:19:28 even so, if the compiler uses sse optimization 2011-10-20T06:19:30 i optimise all the things 2011-10-20T06:19:49 plus i think it's nicer anyway 2011-10-20T06:20:00 once you set it up anyway 2011-10-20T06:20:16 no, i can see why you do it that way 2011-10-20T06:20:20 you don't have to worry about checking for water all over the place or getting a vector of locations, just indexing a pre-existing one 2011-10-20T06:21:03 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-10-20T06:21:21 i think i will give every ant a whole board 2011-10-20T06:21:27 I also had a grid struct for my actual bot rather than just having a 2d vector of squares called grid in state 2011-10-20T06:21:47 im thinking i will go with a full board-based approach, c++ will handle it nicely i think 2011-10-20T06:22:29 lol, 2d vector? 2011-10-20T06:22:34 *** danielharan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T06:23:08 vector > grid 2011-10-20T06:23:40 i did a double indexable array 2011-10-20T06:23:49 I'm using the Python starter kit. The 'ready' return value the specification refers to is is None, correct? 2011-10-20T06:23:54 you can overload [] on a grid struct so you can still index it grid[r][c] 2011-10-20T06:24:06 mcstar: is it a documentation on how to write a bot? 2011-10-20T06:24:10 just return a reference to a vector of squares 2011-10-20T06:24:11 so the parameter is a int? 2011-10-20T06:24:21 yeah, hang on 2011-10-20T06:24:26 *** alk23 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T06:24:43 antimatroid: i verloaded arithmetic, and = operator so far 2011-10-20T06:25:04 Posterdati: what? 2011-10-20T06:25:09 what is? 2011-10-20T06:25:11 mcstar: inline Square& operator[](const Location &loc) const 2011-10-20T06:25:28 that's my index operator, so i can just index grid[loc] rather than grid[loc.row][loc.col] 2011-10-20T06:25:34 but location is a pair? 2011-10-20T06:25:40 location is a struct 2011-10-20T06:25:53 oh 2011-10-20T06:25:54 which contains 2 integers, one for row and another for col 2011-10-20T06:25:58 that hides the indices 2011-10-20T06:26:03 mcstar: documentation on how to write bots for the ai-contest 2011-10-20T06:26:05 then neighbours would be a vector of Locations etc. 2011-10-20T06:26:17 Posterdati: you can write anyway you want 2011-10-20T06:26:24 be creative 2011-10-20T06:26:25 *** lrh9__ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T06:26:33 go to town is the expression i like best 2011-10-20T06:26:48 within the time and memory constraints 2011-10-20T06:26:56 mcstar: ok, but there must be an api to interface the bot to the arena 2011-10-20T06:27:08 Posterdati: "loadtime" # in milliseconds 2011-10-20T06:27:10 "turntime" # in milliseconds 2011-10-20T06:27:11 "rows" # number of rows in the map 2011-10-20T06:27:13 "cols" # number of columns in the map 2011-10-20T06:27:15 "turns" # maximum number of turns in the game 2011-10-20T06:27:17 "viewradius2" # view radius squared 2011-10-20T06:27:19 "attackradius2" # battle radius squared 2011-10-20T06:27:22 "spawnradius2" # spawn radius squared 2011-10-20T06:27:23 "player_seed" # seed for random number generator, useful for reproducing games 2011-10-20T06:27:25 fuck me 2011-10-20T06:27:28 stupid buffer 2011-10-20T06:27:30 http://aichallenge.org/ants_tutorial.php 2011-10-20T06:27:31 Posterdati: see the above link 2011-10-20T06:27:32 Posterdati: your bot is just a program that reads input from standard in and outputs its moves from standard out meeting the specifications outlined on the website 2011-10-20T06:27:36 mcstar: what have you done! 2011-10-20T06:27:59 antimatroid: i had it in xclip 2011-10-20T06:27:59 the engine will run your bot as a child process and feed input to it and read output back 2011-10-20T06:28:02 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T06:28:09 mcstar: you sacrificed your life for me! 2011-10-20T06:28:15 mcstar: lol! 2011-10-20T06:28:47 Posterdati: i much prefer it this way than to how other contests do it 2011-10-20T06:28:51 "utputs its moves from standard out" ? 2011-10-20T06:29:21 antimatroid: are you planning on confusing newbies? 2011-10-20T06:29:25 *** lrh9_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-20T06:30:03 i make language up as i go along 2011-10-20T06:30:27 Posterdati: do you understand? 2011-10-20T06:30:44 antimatroid: did i pastebin you my matrix implementation? i want you to take a look at it 2011-10-20T06:31:02 all you need to know is what format to read information in and what format to output it, then you can just go to town with whatever strategy you like what almost any language you like 2011-10-20T06:31:09 nope, shoot 2011-10-20T06:31:11 do you want mine? 2011-10-20T06:32:06 http://pastebin.com/zsLuUXFb 2011-10-20T06:32:07 sure 2011-10-20T06:32:10 antimatroid: I did understand that, but I don't know how infos are formatted 2011-10-20T06:32:22 Posterdati: like the "bad paste of mine" 2011-10-20T06:32:28 turntime 500 2011-10-20T06:32:30 ok 2011-10-20T06:32:31 liek this 2011-10-20T06:32:35 gross :P 2011-10-20T06:33:06 you must parse each line, you get the "what" after you get the "how much" 2011-10-20T06:33:13 *** knyppeldynan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T06:33:18 *** the-mgt has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T06:33:19 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T06:33:38 http://pastebin.com/fYwm86KX that's my matrix struct for my game theory library 2011-10-20T06:35:20 aham 2011-10-20T06:35:23 mcstar: http://pastebin.com/Nm9ZgmHh you might find some of those functions useful? 2011-10-20T06:35:28 so you build on the vector stl 2011-10-20T06:35:32 some of them just make life easier 2011-10-20T06:35:35 yeah 2011-10-20T06:35:39 how fast is it? 2011-10-20T06:35:47 turns out, mine is no fast 2011-10-20T06:35:52 not sure, works fine for me 2011-10-20T06:35:57 mathematica is 3x faster 2011-10-20T06:36:09 in a .cc file i still include the std namespace so i don't need std:: everywhere 2011-10-20T06:36:17 but i've been told i shouldn't do that in a library .h file 2011-10-20T06:36:27 can you set up a 300x300 double prec matrix multtiplication? run 10 times? 2011-10-20T06:36:39 that doesnt matter 2011-10-20T06:36:49 it disappears after compilation 2011-10-20T06:38:22 i cant stand this: 2011-10-20T06:38:27 int *a; 2011-10-20T06:38:54 yeah the only time i ever need to use a * in c++ is for trees 2011-10-20T06:38:54 int &c 2011-10-20T06:39:01 and even then i'm not convinced it's not me being silly 2011-10-20T06:39:09 i mean i prefer int* a; 2011-10-20T06:39:12 or int& a; 2011-10-20T06:39:18 oh, meh 2011-10-20T06:39:22 i agree 2011-10-20T06:39:28 but yeah 2011-10-20T06:39:40 i prefer to distinguish the type in the name 2011-10-20T06:39:47 but i'm so used to it i forget 2011-10-20T06:40:58 i told my mathematician friend to write a bogosort 2011-10-20T06:41:03 poor guy did this: 2011-10-20T06:41:29 while(for(;;){something;} == 0){some other thing;} 2011-10-20T06:42:07 and he attended a c++ course at uni. 2011-10-20T06:42:38 we got a 1 day crash course at the start of advanced algorithms 2011-10-20T06:42:43 but we'd used c in another class 2011-10-20T06:43:11 i've picked most of it up on a need to know basis though 2011-10-20T06:43:12 i think in our uni, you can learn jackshit on programming classes 2011-10-20T06:43:19 cant* 2011-10-20T06:43:31 yeah the computing department at my uni is dreadful 2011-10-20T06:43:31 yeah me too 2011-10-20T06:43:48 i forgot a return 2011-10-20T06:44:00 while(for(;;){something; if() return 0;} == 0){some other thing;} 2011-10-20T06:44:10 so "logically" he was correct 2011-10-20T06:44:25 but c/c++ doesnt allow your logic to manifest 2011-10-20T06:45:47 c++ would be perfect if it was just a little bit more flexible 2011-10-20T06:46:01 like lisp, no more than that though 2011-10-20T06:46:01 for me anyway 2011-10-20T06:46:03 *** user123_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T06:46:12 i love the c++ syntax though 2011-10-20T06:46:15 i don't want to lose that 2011-10-20T06:46:24 hello. when will registration be opened? 2011-10-20T06:46:31 in less than 24 hours 2011-10-20T06:46:44 ok, thanks 2011-10-20T06:46:48 i will carve that into your tombstone: at least he didnt lose his sytax, r.i.p. 2011-10-20T06:47:12 :P 2011-10-20T06:47:46 antimatroid: you are missing on soo much, c++ syntax is not nice, no syntax is nice 2011-10-20T06:47:51 i love the whole vector/queue/stack/prique thing and << and >> for io 2011-10-20T06:47:59 anyway, please, for me, at one time take a look at lisp 2011-10-20T06:48:11 look, im dealing with c++ too 2011-10-20T06:48:15 *** user123_ has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T06:48:15 and #include "queue.h" etc. is really easy to remember compared to a lot of other languages 2011-10-20T06:48:27 missing out* 2011-10-20T06:49:01 wait a minute i have something 2011-10-20T06:49:19 http://norvig.com/java-lisp.html 2011-10-20T06:49:22 read this 2011-10-20T06:49:40 theres an old assignment here: http://www.flownet.com/ron/papers/lisp-java/ 2011-10-20T06:50:02 compares languages, its very interesting 2011-10-20T06:50:23 i did that assignment on sunday/monday 2011-10-20T06:50:38 *** kronos has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T06:50:45 compare your c++ skills, without looking at eh source 2011-10-20T06:50:50 the* 2011-10-20T06:51:12 i don't have time to do much sorry 2011-10-20T06:51:17 i'm meant to be working on my thesis :P 2011-10-20T06:51:20 it's due on the 1st 2011-10-20T06:51:24 k 2011-10-20T06:51:29 *** the-mgt has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-10-20T06:51:34 at least will you read the results? 2011-10-20T06:51:37 and i have 3 exams coming up 2011-10-20T06:52:14 if you have time for reddit, you can have time for this 2011-10-20T06:52:23 but i dont want to push you 2011-10-20T06:52:43 http://www.reddit.com/user/antimatroid/ :P 2011-10-20T06:53:48 "I wish I wore a helmet while out drinking on Friday" 2011-10-20T06:53:52 wise words 2011-10-20T06:53:56 :P 2011-10-20T06:54:19 i severed all the nerves in one of my teeth but should get to keep it 2011-10-20T06:54:25 gonna need root canal surgery though 2011-10-20T06:54:52 antimatroid: using a bot? 2011-10-20T06:55:03 *** the-mgt has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T06:55:04 Posterdati: ? 2011-10-20T06:55:07 no, a dentist 2011-10-20T06:55:18 my uncle to be precise :) 2011-10-20T06:55:34 antimatroid: so no expensive bill at all 2011-10-20T06:55:44 nope, he'll rape my insurance but otherwise all good 2011-10-20T06:55:58 antimatroid: a bot would perform better, because it won't worry about the patient pain 2011-10-20T06:56:09 is that better for me? 2011-10-20T06:56:13 doesn't sound like it :P 2011-10-20T06:56:17 no for the science 2011-10-20T06:56:18 you deserve much pain 2011-10-20T06:56:26 remember?you smiled on the photo 2011-10-20T06:56:36 lol 2011-10-20T06:56:43 would you prefer me to cry? 2011-10-20T06:56:48 "son, you wouldnt learn from it otherwise!" 2011-10-20T06:56:58 canal surgery is the painful experience of all 2011-10-20T06:57:07 that's why drugs exist 2011-10-20T06:57:22 lol 2011-10-20T06:57:30 now i see you as a morphine addict 2011-10-20T06:57:31 ok, but if the nerve is infected, drugs will be no help 2011-10-20T06:57:35 under some tassie bridge 2011-10-20T06:57:41 i've actually never had morphine to my knowledge 2011-10-20T06:57:48 i ruined my only possible chance of having it 2011-10-20T06:57:54 broke my shoulder and didn't go to the doctor for a week 2011-10-20T06:58:04 the tasman bridge :) 2011-10-20T06:58:20 you're a mess: teeth, shoulder... 2011-10-20T06:58:30 i know i had much painkiller infusions 2011-10-20T06:58:33 when will you learn? 2011-10-20T06:58:43 but i never asked for pills afterwards 2011-10-20T06:58:52 me too, I like pain 2011-10-20T06:58:56 mmmmmmh 2011-10-20T06:59:09 pain makes me laugh 2011-10-20T06:59:14 i was too drunk to feel much 2011-10-20T06:59:23 i think i had a concussion/amnesia too 2011-10-20T06:59:29 cause i don't remember falling or much at all after 2011-10-20T06:59:29 *** Findarato has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T06:59:32 antimatroid: did you break a teeth? 2011-10-20T06:59:46 Posterdati: pretty much knocked one out but it should survive 2011-10-20T07:00:01 we pulled my uncle out of bed that night and he pushed it back in and splinted it 2011-10-20T07:00:03 antimatroid: it will survive 2011-10-20T07:00:18 antimatroid: did he paste it? 2011-10-20T07:00:22 youre lucky, it rermained in your mouth 2011-10-20T07:01:08 i have to give a 50 minute talk in a couple of weeks aha, i hope it's all good by then 2011-10-20T07:01:32 mostly stoked i didn't get brain damage, it was a pretty decent fall onto my face 2011-10-20T07:01:48 *** kronos has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-10-20T07:02:22 è 2011-10-20T07:03:14 remember a programmer could die, we all are here for this. But your bot will last forever, so you will live forever! 2011-10-20T07:03:14 seminars, i loved them all 2011-10-20T07:03:26 *** binnu has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T07:03:27 my bot isn't written yet though :P 2011-10-20T07:03:34 mcstar: honours talks :P 2011-10-20T07:03:48 oh, to profs? 2011-10-20T07:03:55 to whoever shows up 2011-10-20T07:04:08 probably not even 20 people thankfully, i hate public speaking 2011-10-20T07:04:08 *** binnu has left #aichallenge 2011-10-20T07:04:13 will you be graded by it? 2011-10-20T07:04:35 people help I'm stuck in ants_tutorial.php 2011-10-20T07:04:40 not officially, but if our mark is on the line it'll be considered 2011-10-20T07:04:46 Posterdati: F5 2011-10-20T07:04:55 ok 2011-10-20T07:05:03 *** Tolsi_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T07:05:48 it worked! 2011-10-20T07:06:16 *** TankEnMate has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T07:06:47 *** randll has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T07:07:40 argh, i always forget to use "" instead of <> 2011-10-20T07:09:23 2011-10-20T07:09:38 *** norwaywins has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T07:10:31 *** danielharan has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-20T07:11:08 *** danielharan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T07:11:19 Posterdati: focus, the contest will end by the time you learn lisp! 2011-10-20T07:14:01 *** kronos has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T07:15:54 Posterdati: your nick was familiar, i knew i saw you on #lisp 2011-10-20T07:16:48 *** danielha_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T07:19:28 *** danielharan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-10-20T07:20:03 *** fredfrak has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T07:20:37 *** gim has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T07:20:46 ahoi 2011-10-20T07:21:04 is it allowed to run code parallelized/asynchronous? 2011-10-20T07:21:09 *** arcaseus has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T07:22:01 *** gim has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T07:22:49 the trait of a gentleman: never waits for the answer 2011-10-20T07:25:46 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2011-10-20T07:27:06 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T07:35:21 *** kronos has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-10-20T07:35:30 *** DrAlan3 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T07:35:37 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-10-20T07:36:18 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T07:37:09 *** onensora has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T07:40:21 @time 2011-10-20T07:40:21 Accoun: 07:40 AM, October 20, 2011 2011-10-20T07:43:32 mcstar: I'm a beginner, I don't think that I can compete in the contest 2011-10-20T07:44:08 Posterdati: you might not be able to win but you can certainly compete 2011-10-20T07:44:27 if you submit a bot, wheather you like it or not you are competing 2011-10-20T07:44:28 we have made sure the game is simple enough that beginner programmers can actually learn while writing a bot 2011-10-20T07:44:42 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-20T07:44:46 while the game has enough depth that more serious competitors have room to work on strategies 2011-10-20T07:44:51 antimatroid: what is the purpose to compete without win? 2011-10-20T07:44:57 to have fun! 2011-10-20T07:45:01 like a true klingon 2011-10-20T07:45:11 lol 2011-10-20T07:45:14 it's really cool watching a bot you wrote play against bots other people wrote 2011-10-20T07:45:15 if it's not for the win, why keep score? 2011-10-20T07:45:27 I could have fun having sex not programming a bot! 2011-10-20T07:45:28 :) 2011-10-20T07:45:32 you could aim to do better than other beginners for example 2011-10-20T07:45:42 i'm not saying results are irrelevant, just that it's not the only reason to compete 2011-10-20T07:45:55 Posterdati: well, if you can you should, unfortunately i cant 2011-10-20T07:46:26 mcstar: me too, was a joke :) 2011-10-20T07:46:30 Posterdati: my friend and i wrote a bot for tron when we were completely new to ai and it would have come in around 10th if it wasn't for the stupid timeout rules at the time 2011-10-20T07:46:45 imo tron was a simpler game than planet wars or ants though 2011-10-20T07:47:38 antimatroid: wow! 2011-10-20T07:47:47 antimatroid: did you win? 2011-10-20T07:48:21 and the matchmaking is so, that there IS an ordering of the submitted bots, so even if you dont Win, you have still beaten all the players below your rank 2011-10-20T07:48:24 no, we got disqualified when we were sitting around 10th cause we timed out 2011-10-20T07:48:25 http://www.sifflez.org/misc/tronbot/index.html 2011-10-20T07:48:37 our bot was based off that tutorial, although more clever 2011-10-20T07:49:09 we had a pretty good state evaluation function and recycled relevant parts of hte tree between turns 2011-10-20T07:50:07 to get anything useful out of game trees for planet wars or ants requires a lot more effort though due to the ridiculously large state spaces 2011-10-20T07:50:22 you're much better off starting out with heursistics and path finding 2011-10-20T07:50:43 not just that, the whole game is more random 2011-10-20T07:50:54 random? 2011-10-20T07:51:05 i hate everything about random in ai games 2011-10-20T07:51:15 yeah, basically the state space if influenced by the position of food/water/hills 2011-10-20T07:51:18 well, unfair random 2011-10-20T07:51:27 yeah but that's all somewhat symmetric 2011-10-20T07:51:40 at least from starting positions 2011-10-20T07:51:53 yeah, but the structure is much more complicated 2011-10-20T07:52:12 yeah, tron was read a board and output which direction to move 2011-10-20T07:52:12 in PW you did have that many degrees of freedom 2011-10-20T07:52:17 uh, where do I get the code to run two agents against each other locally? 2011-10-20T07:52:27 danielha_: starter packages 2011-10-20T07:52:45 antimatroid: I don't see it in Ruby? 2011-10-20T07:53:00 ants/dist/starter_packages? 2011-10-20T07:53:09 i think theres a ruby one 2011-10-20T07:53:11 i saw it 2011-10-20T07:53:36 there is a ruby starter package, which I got 2011-10-20T07:53:49 I'm wondering if I can do a local match between 2 of my own agents, before uploading 2011-10-20T07:53:57 hmm, you need the tools 2011-10-20T07:54:08 the cpp starter just downloads a zipped copy of that bot too 2011-10-20T07:54:21 danielha_: you can of course do that, you just need to get a copy of the tools 2011-10-20T07:54:29 mcstar: what's the easiest place to get them? 2011-10-20T07:54:36 i haven't really seen what's happened lately 2011-10-20T07:54:37 always git 2011-10-20T07:54:51 danielha_: http://aichallenge.org/using_the_tools.php see that page 2011-10-20T07:55:14 aah, thanks! 2011-10-20T07:55:31 np 2011-10-20T07:55:55 btw, i people should be disqualified for asking such questions, before exploring the site more thoroughly dont yuo agree? 2011-10-20T07:55:55 mcstar: once we launch it's probably better to direct people to the actual site :P 2011-10-20T07:56:06 i think* 2011-10-20T07:56:12 no, i ask such questions all the time :P 2011-10-20T07:56:22 why look something up when it's quicker to ask someone else? 2011-10-20T07:56:35 i highly disagree 2011-10-20T07:56:47 i'd be a bad teacher 2011-10-20T07:56:57 if i think there'd be a significant time difference i'll tend to ask 2011-10-20T07:57:12 and there's a fair bit of information to ingest for the contest stuff when you first come across it 2011-10-20T07:57:36 wibble 2011-10-20T07:57:42 but soo much was added since i came here first 2011-10-20T07:57:48 man i totally don't feel like doing work today 2011-10-20T07:57:53 there are all sorts of tutorials, descriptions 2011-10-20T07:58:40 mcstar: you are right of course... but no one reads the site properly 2011-10-20T07:58:49 delt0r: than please, take job of answering helpdesk questions 2011-10-20T07:58:56 take the* 2011-10-20T07:58:59 with due respect, I did search. the only link I see now is in the 5 minute quickstart guide. I expected to see that in FAQs 2011-10-20T07:59:13 danielha_: dont take this personally 2011-10-20T07:59:24 sometimes people try... i am sure we have all had times when we look everywhere --don't find the answer then ask and it was right there in front of us the whole time 2011-10-20T07:59:42 "where is my beer?" 2011-10-20T07:59:50 at the bar 2011-10-20T07:59:57 yeah, that happens 2011-10-20T08:00:04 it's happened debugging too. so saying someone should be disqualified when you've already nerd-sniped me... well, how aren't I to take it personally? 2011-10-20T08:00:21 easily? 2011-10-20T08:00:30 sorry in a funny mood today 2011-10-20T08:00:46 and we wonder why there aren't more women hackers? christ 2011-10-20T08:00:56 people should say sorry if they are NOT in a funny mood, no the other way around 2011-10-20T08:00:59 you are a women? 2011-10-20T08:01:12 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T08:01:29 i dont remember seeing christ 2011-10-20T08:01:35 will he join us? 2011-10-20T08:01:41 *** onensora is now known as Eruonen 2011-10-20T08:01:57 delt0r: lolol 2011-10-20T08:02:07 i am still amazed by your keyboard skills 2011-10-20T08:02:14 he will join when we will play "mankind" not "ants" :) 2011-10-20T08:02:22 how can he be multiple woman at once? 2011-10-20T08:02:39 *** kronos has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T08:02:42 mcstar: do you believe in the Virgin Mary? 2011-10-20T08:02:57 seriously danielha_ I don't pay attenttion to handels as they have nothing much to do with the person. I don't see gender as important for something like this 2011-10-20T08:03:03 as much as David Sandstrom 2011-10-20T08:03:07 delt0r is a math term and is quite genderless 2011-10-20T08:03:36 it's not my gender / sex - it's the kind of macho, elitist RTFM crap for something that was pretty much buried. 2011-10-20T08:03:49 so if there was offence danielha_ I do apologize. It was not intended. 2011-10-20T08:04:01 danielha_: yesterday i coined the term rtft, you are spot on 2011-10-20T08:04:06 well its par for the course... 2011-10-20T08:04:07 danielha_: are you italian too? 2011-10-20T08:04:19 rtft? 2011-10-20T08:04:26 read the "fine topic" 2011-10-20T08:04:46 Read The Fuc**ng Topic 2011-10-20T08:04:49 you have asked just one question. But remebder that you are asking a group that has had the same question ask a 1000x 2011-10-20T08:05:07 in the last 5 hours 2011-10-20T08:05:19 if this is pissing you off to the point of wanting to disqualify people like me, I'll suggest you fix the fucking usability of the site 2011-10-20T08:05:31 danielha_: are you still not getting it? 2011-10-20T08:05:33 no need to get rude 2011-10-20T08:05:40 danielha_: i never wanted that 2011-10-20T08:05:48 please people be calm 2011-10-20T08:05:50 but you dont knew what happened before you joined 2011-10-20T08:05:53 we already have our resident rude IRC member 2011-10-20T08:05:54 know* 2011-10-20T08:06:03 we are all here to take fun and grow 2011-10-20T08:06:11 one with nukes :D 2011-10-20T08:06:23 sorry could not resist 2011-10-20T08:06:24 danielha_: in tron, people were disqualified, if their bot timed out, imagine that 2011-10-20T08:06:29 i was making a jest on that 2011-10-20T08:06:35 perhaps i should stick to real work 2011-10-20T08:06:38 and as i said it WASNT meant for you 2011-10-20T08:06:49 have you seen your nick before my saying so?? 2011-10-20T08:06:52 no 2011-10-20T08:07:03 you havent, so dont take it PERSONALLY 2011-10-20T08:07:04 *** rogue780 has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2011-10-20T08:07:46 fine, I won't 2011-10-20T08:08:12 roulette still work? 2011-10-20T08:08:17 yep 2011-10-20T08:08:20 @roulette 2011-10-20T08:08:20 delt0r: *click* 2011-10-20T08:08:23 cool 2011-10-20T08:08:27 @roulette 2011-10-20T08:08:27 *** delt0r was kicked by contestbot (BANG!) 2011-10-20T08:08:28 * contestbot reloads and spins the chambers. 2011-10-20T08:08:39 but 2011-10-20T08:08:40 lol 2011-10-20T08:08:47 poor felt0r 2011-10-20T08:08:49 poor delt0r 2011-10-20T08:09:17 *** delt0r has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T08:09:30 hehe that never gets old 2011-10-20T08:10:06 @roulette 2011-10-20T08:10:06 Posterdati: *click* 2011-10-20T08:10:10 too bad you can only do it to yourself 2011-10-20T08:10:11 aha 2011-10-20T08:10:18 I'm still alive 2011-10-20T08:10:25 *** phantom has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T08:10:43 mcstar: now it is your turn 2011-10-20T08:10:52 *** phantom is now known as Guest59885 2011-10-20T08:11:00 mcstar: show me your war-face 2011-10-20T08:11:09 *** Lurchi has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T08:11:46 Hi guys, when does the challenge begin already? I'm tired to wait...=( 2011-10-20T08:11:54 in less than 24 hours 2011-10-20T08:11:55 be my Guest59885 2011-10-20T08:12:33 Posterdati: i dont have a war face and i dont take risks, its stupid 2011-10-20T08:13:00 soft 2011-10-20T08:13:16 soft kittie, warm kittie, little ball of fur... 2011-10-20T08:13:49 guess folk want a JAntManager? 2011-10-20T08:13:54 mcstar: so your ants are all dead 2011-10-20T08:13:55 ah sure 2011-10-20T08:14:17 delt0r: they want your tcp even more 2011-10-20T08:14:28 you mean play TCP 2011-10-20T08:14:32 or a tcp server? 2011-10-20T08:14:37 sure 2011-10-20T08:14:39 thought there was already a server 2011-10-20T08:14:56 I have a bot observer 2011-10-20T08:14:57 i dont think its complete 2011-10-20T08:15:09 did you talk to berak? 2011-10-20T08:15:11 *** Guest59885 has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T08:15:12 filters everything so you can see the state that the bot should have 2011-10-20T08:15:21 so there is no server yet? 2011-10-20T08:15:32 i dont think so 2011-10-20T08:15:37 oh 2011-10-20T08:15:37 *** alk23 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T08:15:39 well then 2011-10-20T08:15:41 and not with hills ans such for sure 2011-10-20T08:15:47 and* 2011-10-20T08:16:09 I was thinking of supporting the python engine too 2011-10-20T08:16:14 good 2011-10-20T08:16:22 so that changes don't always need to be reflected 2011-10-20T08:16:38 but you probably won't be able to watch a game while its playing 2011-10-20T08:16:48 why? 2011-10-20T08:17:02 and your local python installtion will need to be correct 2011-10-20T08:17:06 marco had a java in-play visualizer 2011-10-20T08:17:28 anyway, i dont care, im not the target audience 2011-10-20T08:17:41 is that with the stream game format? 2011-10-20T08:17:42 i dont yet know the usefulness of the tcp server 2011-10-20T08:17:52 i think so 2011-10-20T08:18:06 i think its a little ambiguous (stream game format) 2011-10-20T08:18:21 so is my answer 2011-10-20T08:18:31 best to take a look at it yourself 2011-10-20T08:18:33 give locations, but you can't be sure which ant moved to where... just the final result 2011-10-20T08:18:33 *** alrefrd has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T08:19:08 mcstar: could save pain... "just install delt0rs pure awesomeness" 2011-10-20T08:19:10 :D 2011-10-20T08:19:14 have you seen that marco added a new option to the js visualizer? 2011-10-20T08:19:22 nope 2011-10-20T08:19:35 again the visualizer this year is awesome 2011-10-20T08:19:35 you can copy instantly the input for your bot to reproduce the gameplay 2011-10-20T08:19:41 so little need for my one 2011-10-20T08:19:54 ? 2011-10-20T08:20:04 just try it 2011-10-20T08:20:21 the input to any one bot is incomplete. 2011-10-20T08:20:33 hah 2011-10-20T08:20:38 i dont know what you mean 2011-10-20T08:21:14 the only problem, is if the bot has some true pseudorandomness in it 2011-10-20T08:21:21 than it will diverge from its input 2011-10-20T08:21:48 expected input* 2011-10-20T08:22:02 you mean bots output? it can't control its input 2011-10-20T08:22:14 i meant what i wrote 2011-10-20T08:22:44 one bot does not see the full game state. that is what i mean my incomplete 2011-10-20T08:22:52 *** Palmik has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T08:22:57 * delt0r is surfing the web for the new visulaizer 2011-10-20T08:23:03 so? 2011-10-20T08:23:36 if the bot only initializes its random number generator, by player_seed, than this will work 2011-10-20T08:24:00 you can recreate the game by feeding it the input data from the visualizer 2011-10-20T08:25:10 anyone know when the challenge will go live? 2011-10-20T08:25:21 @topic 2011-10-20T08:25:21 mcstar: AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge || Submissions and signups for the beta have closed. They will reopen when the contest starts later today (Oct 20). Please be patient while we make the final touches. 2011-10-20T08:25:51 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T08:25:57 I did read that, I was hoping for somethign more accurate than "later today" 2011-10-20T08:26:03 mcstar: I understood "play back" to mean play back in the visulaizer... not your own bot... 2011-10-20T08:26:07 its nice 2011-10-20T08:32:07 delt0r: look what i found yesterday http://unlimiteddetailtechnology.com/ 2011-10-20T08:32:38 they have videos on youtube 2011-10-20T08:33:28 yea 2011-10-20T08:33:42 about every 3 years someone tries this again 2011-10-20T08:33:49 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-20T08:34:05 it never seems to bet polys+ razterizers at the game however 2011-10-20T08:34:13 there is always some catch 2011-10-20T08:35:13 argh 2011-10-20T08:35:19 from the examples there is a lot of instancing and not much independent geometry 2011-10-20T08:35:21 what does this mean? 2011-10-20T08:35:33 some were is sectet TCP server- i know it! 2011-10-20T08:35:34 ah, thats not important 2011-10-20T08:35:45 Accoun: please kill us 2011-10-20T08:35:49 lol 2011-10-20T08:36:01 delt0r: they can do it with not repeating patters too 2011-10-20T08:36:25 there is still real physical limits to what you can store... 2011-10-20T08:36:30 they say, they have a search lagorithm, that searchis this "point cloud data" and only rasterizes pixels that would appear onthe screen 2011-10-20T08:36:32 polys are pretty cheap 2011-10-20T08:36:42 pfff 2011-10-20T08:36:43 even pixar (aka renderman) use that 2011-10-20T08:36:44 searches 2011-10-20T08:36:50 aham 2011-10-20T08:36:58 so this is not new? 2011-10-20T08:37:09 yea i remeber when they were making a fuss about it last year 2011-10-20T08:37:14 not really 2011-10-20T08:37:24 *** petterw has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T08:37:26 can it work? probably 2011-10-20T08:37:53 but that is not good enough --it needs to be better than current stuff so its worth the "upgrade" 2011-10-20T08:38:11 well, they say it is without 3d accel 2011-10-20T08:38:27 if some writes this for the gpu, it can be pretty impressive 2011-10-20T08:38:36 And well razterised renderers with shaders and passes is hard to beat 2011-10-20T08:38:51 *** Gbdrm has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T08:39:03 yea but that is the point--gpu are optimized for polys 2011-10-20T08:39:16 so you probably need to convert to get good performance.... 2011-10-20T08:39:29 *** sir_macelon has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T08:39:34 hi 2011-10-20T08:39:37 it is definitely a challenge, writing search algorithms on a streaming hardware 2011-10-20T08:39:44 Hello. 2011-10-20T08:39:53 at anyrate last i heard the cannot easily deal with changing data... aka doors opening 2011-10-20T08:40:01 stuff blowing up 2011-10-20T08:40:14 *** client2 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T08:40:19 yea streaming hardware blows for many things 2011-10-20T08:40:24 lrh9__: hi 2011-10-20T08:40:30 delt0r: well, it will simulate a calm, quiet place than 2011-10-20T08:40:37 yea 2011-10-20T08:41:02 I like my doom still scared sh**less games... ;) 2011-10-20T08:41:19 *** client2 has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T08:41:21 never understood why so many liked Mist when it came out 2011-10-20T08:42:07 i only care about hl 2011-10-20T08:42:15 hl? 2011-10-20T08:42:16 oh 2011-10-20T08:42:22 half life 2011-10-20T08:42:27 there are simply too many games to consider, so i drew the line pretty early 2011-10-20T08:42:30 never got into it 2011-10-20T08:42:30 yep 2011-10-20T08:42:42 yea quake 3 for me 2011-10-20T08:42:51 my wife and i still play a lot 2011-10-20T08:42:59 she wins sometimes 2011-10-20T08:43:10 you must let her win 2011-10-20T08:43:24 never... i just can't do that sort of thing 2011-10-20T08:43:27 with all those starter bots on the board the games are really skewed, it's all about who eats them first, many free hills to raze... :/ 2011-10-20T08:43:36 if you beat me... its cus you bet me 2011-10-20T08:43:58 i was a damn good sniper at one time 2011-10-20T08:44:33 *** Gbdrm has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T08:44:37 *** alrefrd has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T08:44:51 I am no rail gun god... but i can hold my own 2011-10-20T08:45:03 We could write our own game state class if we wanted to? 2011-10-20T08:45:16 lrh9__: you can totally rewrite anything 2011-10-20T08:45:23 you dont even have to use starter packages 2011-10-20T08:45:52 lrh9__: you only need the entry point --ie MyBot 2011-10-20T08:45:55 of course this all depends upon personal capabilities 2011-10-20T08:46:13 so take my "can" with a grain of salt 2011-10-20T08:46:14 So is packages supported for java? 2011-10-20T08:46:17 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T08:46:24 he delt0r_ 2011-10-20T08:46:40 what do you mean? 2011-10-20T08:46:43 yea--my home machine 2011-10-20T08:46:48 *** hollance has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T08:46:55 there is java starter 2011-10-20T08:47:03 MyBot is in the default package 2011-10-20T08:47:13 ie the root directory 2011-10-20T08:47:23 root of the compilation 2011-10-20T08:47:28 ah, k, i dont know anything about that 2011-10-20T08:47:36 but in java you use other dir or packages... 2011-10-20T08:47:38 delt0r: yes, they are supported 2011-10-20T08:47:43 Awesome 2011-10-20T08:47:59 I tried that already 2011-10-20T08:48:17 So, given appropriate licenses, we're allowed to use open source code in our bots right? 2011-10-20T08:48:25 sir_macelon: are you already using libs? 2011-10-20T08:48:46 ermau: it must fit a 2MBs archive 2011-10-20T08:48:59 mcstar, well I'm using the Python starter package at the moment. The default bot's do_turn method accepts ants, so I'm trying to understand what ants is and how it works. 2011-10-20T08:49:09 mcstar: o..k...? 2011-10-20T08:49:24 mcstar: no, only packages, it means subfolders for class files 2011-10-20T08:49:40 k 2011-10-20T08:49:41 mcstar: that's how java source code's getting orgainzed 2011-10-20T08:50:02 mcstar: the perl install is an ubuntu default 5.10.1 install? 2011-10-20T08:50:17 TankEnMate: the current server is still natty 2011-10-20T08:50:20 i think 2011-10-20T08:50:29 okies, thanks. 2011-10-20T08:50:49 C# is mono then? 2011-10-20T08:50:51 lrh9__: i think McLeopold wrote the python starter 2011-10-20T08:51:09 but you can easily write your own, you dont have to figure out anything 2011-10-20T08:51:19 From what I can tell it is just an api that abstracts obtaining data from given turn data. But what I'm wondering is this ants api going to be supplied by the contest operators, or can we use our own? 2011-10-20T08:51:19 TankEnMate: basically 2011-10-20T08:51:32 i mean yes ok 2011-10-20T08:52:06 lrh9__: nothing is supplied only the input 2011-10-20T08:52:10 lrh9__: Currently that api is implemented in ants.py, but you can replace it if you want 2011-10-20T08:52:18 you must put all sources into the archive 2011-10-20T08:52:19 *** dd has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T08:52:25 OK. I see the place where it gets the input. 2011-10-20T08:53:05 ermau: no one checks the sources of the bots, unless theres a problem 2011-10-20T08:53:16 ah 2011-10-20T08:53:16 (I don't understand how getting input from stdin works, but I guess that's not for me to worry about. I just need to handle it correctly.) 2011-10-20T08:53:32 mcstar: the git repo looks very handy... 2011-10-20T08:54:08 lrh9__: IO is one of the first things you have to consider when dealing with a new language 2011-10-20T08:54:23 python has input() i think 2011-10-20T08:54:29 Yes. 2011-10-20T08:54:29 *** Craigus has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T08:54:50 *** hollance has left #aichallenge 2011-10-20T08:54:53 Is anyone else trying to run a bot on the tcp server? 2011-10-20T08:55:03 Accoun's? 2011-10-20T08:55:06 yes 2011-10-20T08:55:18 i wont try it for political reasons 2011-10-20T08:55:22 lol 2011-10-20T08:57:36 mcstar, thanks. I think I've got it. 2011-10-20T09:00:18 *** ikaros has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T09:00:24 mcstar: i noticed a couple of the perl bots said "compiled but failed tests", do perl bots need a working test harness? 2011-10-20T09:01:00 I think those are the test cases which all bots must pass in order to be given games 2011-10-20T09:01:16 TankEnMate: test_bot.sh 2011-10-20T09:01:41 the perl starter doesn't include test_bot.sh, what needs to go in it? 2011-10-20T09:02:08 TankEnMate: you need the tools 2011-10-20T09:02:19 and always try your bot locally before you upload 2011-10-20T09:02:54 *** Sergey has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T09:03:11 mcstar: yup, thanks 2011-10-20T09:06:21 *** r3b00tx has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T09:07:46 *** chaudeau has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T09:09:06 mcstar: i get it, the test runs a really small map with a test bot and low timer... 2011-10-20T09:09:26 "low timer"? 2011-10-20T09:09:45 it runs a bot and your bot agaist each other 2011-10-20T09:10:42 *** Craigus has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T09:12:00 yeah, but the time out appears to be much lower than the normal 1000 no? like 30 or something? 2011-10-20T09:12:11 *** schroeder` has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T09:12:18 sorry wrong terminology, the max number of turns 2011-10-20T09:12:25 yes, timeout is 500ms 2011-10-20T09:12:34 different things 2011-10-20T09:12:38 nod 2011-10-20T09:12:39 *** norwaywins has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T09:13:08 *** schroeder` is now known as ascadian 2011-10-20T09:14:49
Any idea how I can stop the security warnings shown when running the local results HTML page? 2011-10-20T09:15:37 mcstar: open source and public domain code is fine yeah? 2011-10-20T09:16:25 dd: accept them, and check some box 2011-10-20T09:17:15
Hm, what's that accepting it for though - that page only (which is fine) or all local HTML? Or even all remote too? 2011-10-20T09:17:25 TankEnMate: i dont think theres a limitation as to where your code can come from, basically, different registered entities are not allowed to work together/share code 2011-10-20T09:18:22
Also, if I click "deny" it works fine. Is it totally necessary to be requesting those permissions? 2011-10-20T09:18:34 dd: k, no idea, but theres some popup something that comes up, when you try it in a new browser session 2011-10-20T09:18:54 accept that with checking that box too, and it wont come up, unless you re-start your browser 2011-10-20T09:18:58 so it isnt permanent 2011-10-20T09:19:17
OK, cheers. 2011-10-20T09:19:22 it is, since java accesses your local file system, which it cant do otherwise 2011-10-20T09:19:25 sorry 2011-10-20T09:19:27 javascript 2011-10-20T09:19:30 mcstar: ok, thanks just wanted to get two libraries from cpan that's all.. 2011-10-20T09:20:08 i think that is totally ok 2011-10-20T09:20:24 mcstar: the rules don't mention anything about network connections, i assume that is verbotten as well. 2011-10-20T09:21:35 verboten 2011-10-20T09:21:42 mcstar: implied from the the no multi tasking bit 2011-10-20T09:22:09 *** ermau has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-20T09:22:27 *** upgrayedd has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-20T09:22:38 i thought of storing state between runs to "learn" via back propogation 2011-10-20T09:22:50 but no writing to files. 2011-10-20T09:23:23 http://aichallenge.org/rules.php 2011-10-20T09:23:29 this should say so 2011-10-20T09:23:32 yeah i read the rules 2011-10-20T09:23:34 but it doesnt 2011-10-20T09:23:46 yeah, cant do that 2011-10-20T09:24:16 by definition if you have a network connection with anything meaningful happening it is by definition multi processing, just not on the same device. 2011-10-20T09:24:32 amstan_: you need to extend http://aichallenge.org/rules.php with at least "no network connections allowed" 2011-10-20T09:25:05 not really 2011-10-20T09:25:19 if you dont get back anything, why would it be multi-processing? 2011-10-20T09:25:20 Has anyone started working on a Haskell starter package ? 2011-10-20T09:25:32 yes 2011-10-20T09:25:40 *** foRei has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T09:26:06 I'm willing to help, but it would be useless to write it twice 2011-10-20T09:26:33 https://github.com/qacek/ants-haskell 2011-10-20T09:26:48 thanks 2011-10-20T09:27:14 https://github.com/qacek/ants-haskell 2011-10-20T09:27:17 use this 2011-10-20T09:27:19 *** bitbrit has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T09:27:19 *** skyramp has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T09:27:23 ahhh hell 2011-10-20T09:27:28 its the same ok 2011-10-20T09:27:53 all the starter bots are here: https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/tree/epsilon/ants/dist/starter_bots 2011-10-20T09:29:08 great, then the webpage should probably be updated 2011-10-20T09:31:15 *** Sunshowers has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T09:32:17 *** TTE has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T09:34:41 *** amstan_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-10-20T09:38:08 *** larrydag has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T09:45:26 *** g0llum has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T09:52:17 *** Cash has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T09:52:24 hello 2011-10-20T09:52:35 Hello. 2011-10-20T09:52:38 *** upgrayedd has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T09:53:00 when will the signup start 2011-10-20T09:54:12 *** Sergey has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T09:54:42 They will open later today. 2011-10-20T09:55:59 *** Sunshowers has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T09:56:25 *** kronos has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-10-20T09:58:06 *** arcaseus has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T10:02:22 *** qwe has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T10:05:36 *** ermau has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T10:06:08 *** ascadian has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-10-20T10:07:03 *** dd has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T10:08:54 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T10:17:11 hmm... not all starter packages are created equal :O 2011-10-20T10:20:11 they've all been made by different people, and indeed, I think some have included extras, and some may not be quite complete 2011-10-20T10:20:54 it's ok, not complaining... 2011-10-20T10:21:05 *** jcdjcd has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T10:21:12 just had a moment where I was like, wtf, I can't find these methods in the ruby code 2011-10-20T10:21:15 is the python starter kit complete? that would be my preferred choice 2011-10-20T10:21:35 *** Harpyon has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T10:23:03 I'd say the Python kit seems good. 2011-10-20T10:25:32 some were is sectet TCP server- i know it! 2011-10-20T10:26:07 Accoun: i rogered the firt time too, remember? 2011-10-20T10:26:24 *** eashoka has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T10:26:44 *** itelichko has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T10:27:04 Looking through the starter pack guide again, and the Python starter, I'd say it's complete 2011-10-20T10:29:35 *** icefox has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T10:30:03 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-20T10:31:13 Are there any guidelines on memory usage for our bots? I saw mention of a 1gb process limit in the forum but nothing in the rules... 2011-10-20T10:33:55 *** Cash has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T10:35:26 *** eashoka has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T10:35:58 *** mattfedd has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T10:39:06 jcdjcd: turns out the mem limits are somewhat problematic.. 1Gb should be fine i suspect 2011-10-20T10:39:50 but for example java uses lots of virtual memeory (as in not real mem that is not mapped etc) and the instances can't work out that its not real mem 2011-10-20T10:40:02 so in java for example it may be less... 2011-10-20T10:40:28 *** svolkov has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T10:40:31 *** randll has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T10:40:51 this is not really a java thing per say... for example if you used large memory mapped files in a instance this would have the same issue. However that does not really apply here 2011-10-20T10:41:58 delt0r: sbcl asks for 8GB on 64bit systems 2011-10-20T10:42:05 right 2011-10-20T10:42:26 but my guess that is virtual as well right? 2011-10-20T10:42:58 once i messed with linux memory allocation, disabeled over-allocation, well, sbcl stopped working 2011-10-20T10:43:06 it isnt virtual 2011-10-20T10:43:13 i mean this isnt the proper term 2011-10-20T10:43:14 personally i am surprised by how poor instances/virtulization is 2011-10-20T10:43:20 ture 2011-10-20T10:43:29 can't remeber the proper term either 2011-10-20T10:43:41 Nija ? 2011-10-20T10:43:43 *** andy has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T10:43:45 ninja 2011-10-20T10:44:00 it like could be real ram, but you dont' see it? 2011-10-20T10:44:02 :D 2011-10-20T10:44:27 what is the proper term? 2011-10-20T10:44:36 anyone who know why the account creation is closed? 2011-10-20T10:45:17 it is called overcommmit memory 2011-10-20T10:45:23 right 2011-10-20T10:45:26 thnks 2011-10-20T10:45:27 andy: no idea sorry 2011-10-20T10:46:05 oh, i was wrong, its in the topc 2011-10-20T10:46:08 @topic 2011-10-20T10:46:08 mcstar: AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge || Submissions and signups for the beta have closed. They will reopen when the contest starts later today (Oct 20). Please be patient while we make the final touches. 2011-10-20T10:46:43 oh, I see.. I have to be a little patient. thanks 2011-10-20T10:47:28 *** aerique has quit IRC (Quit: ...) 2011-10-20T10:52:08 *** sss has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T10:52:34 aloha 2011-10-20T10:53:11 Hello. 2011-10-20T10:53:15 what is ai? 2011-10-20T10:54:37 *** Areks has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-20T10:54:47 artificial intelligence, check it out on wikipedia 2011-10-20T10:55:10 *** sss has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T10:55:23 guess he's not interested 2011-10-20T10:55:44 *** ascadian has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T10:56:34 hi, i can't find visualizer.jar (needed by play_one_game_live.cmd') 2011-10-20T10:57:11 i just use a browser and point to the game... are you sure there is a visualizer.jar? 2011-10-20T10:57:31 *** hollance has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T10:57:32 *** qwe has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T10:57:40 play_one_game_live.cmd, new script, came in with toda'y git pull 2011-10-20T10:58:23 download the tools from the main site. 2011-10-20T10:58:24 just thought, it was something new .. 2011-10-20T10:59:15 *** hollance has left #aichallenge 2011-10-20T10:59:24 k,k. was only curious, what play_one_game_live would do different 2011-10-20T11:01:09 *** Sunshowers has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T11:01:51 play_one_game_live does what its name suggests 2011-10-20T11:02:01 visualizes while the game is running 2011-10-20T11:02:21 it has been there for weeks 2011-10-20T11:03:43 *** aim__ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T11:06:36 mcstar, thanks, seems i did not notice it. still, what about the jar file ? 2011-10-20T11:06:50 *** dd has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T11:06:53 never tried to use it 2011-10-20T11:07:19 ;) nevermind 2011-10-20T11:07:24 *** saveme has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T11:07:25 but marco said it is slower than the js one, because this runs js over java 2011-10-20T11:07:36 anyone know when registration will reopen?? 2011-10-20T11:07:57 i can imagione, rhino and all 2011-10-20T11:08:37 ok, let me prope something, if you guys wanna help out, just say @topic whenever such a question arises, ok? 2011-10-20T11:08:41 propose* 2011-10-20T11:09:04 *** diskonnect has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T11:09:08 you can try it now 2011-10-20T11:09:23 @topic 2011-10-20T11:09:23 lrh9__: AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge || Submissions and signups for the beta have closed. They will reopen when the contest starts later today (Oct 20). Please be patient while we make the final touches. 2011-10-20T11:09:32 thx 2011-10-20T11:09:51 *** TankEnMate has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-10-20T11:10:19 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-20T11:10:38 I came to the channel going to ask that same question. Fortunately I read the topic before asking. Hehehe. 2011-10-20T11:10:53 *** saveme has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T11:10:58 :-) 2011-10-20T11:11:03 *** crosfire has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T11:11:47 *** doxa has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T11:12:14 *** doxa has left #aichallenge 2011-10-20T11:12:36 *** crosfire has left #aichallenge 2011-10-20T11:14:48 These circles around ant hills in the visualiser, what they show? 2011-10-20T11:15:26 i believe enemy ants approaching the hill 2011-10-20T11:16:26 it looks like it is indeed the enemy ants aprouching the hill 2011-10-20T11:17:24 I thought so, but sometimes they are not shown. For example - http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=38452&user=26, turn 50, blue hil in the right bottom. 2011-10-20T11:17:48 There are two enemy ants next to the hill, but no circle around it. 2011-10-20T11:18:13 I see that quite a lot. 2011-10-20T11:18:18 which row/col? 2011-10-20T11:18:37 row 71, col 75 2011-10-20T11:19:13 itelichko: because these circles show that a hill will be captured soon 2011-10-20T11:19:54 in this case although enemy ant was close the hill was not threatened 2011-10-20T11:20:13 the circle appears at around turn 100 2011-10-20T11:20:33 this lets you focus on when a hill is being razed 2011-10-20T11:20:36 I see. So if enemies will not capture the hill this time, there will be no circle. 2011-10-20T11:21:58 i think if not that enemy will capture it, than theres gonna be no circle 2011-10-20T11:22:19 or maybe it is turn dependent 2011-10-20T11:22:22 itelichko: yes, exactly 2011-10-20T11:22:48 mcstar: I've noticed the circle is shown 30 turns before a hill is razed 2011-10-20T11:23:26 *** jay_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T11:23:31 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T11:23:33 yep 2011-10-20T11:23:45 and any enemy will trigger it 2011-10-20T11:23:48 *** jay_ has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T11:23:51 it helps catching your attention when watching the gameplay while zoomed out 2011-10-20T11:24:21 i initially called them "pulsating colored sphincters" but now i see, they are much more than that 2011-10-20T11:25:50 *** dungeonduke has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T11:27:45 Next game should be within 111.6 minutes... gosh... :/ 2011-10-20T11:28:07 :-) 2011-10-20T11:28:31 it looks like the competition would need a lot servers 2011-10-20T11:29:07 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2011-10-20T11:29:07 yeah, there are supposed to be 4-5 instanes, but it depends also on user count 2011-10-20T11:29:22 currently only one running 2011-10-20T11:29:32 ah, that explains a lot 2011-10-20T11:29:41 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T11:31:42 *** Palomides has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2011-10-20T11:32:04 One of the rules states that we can read from files. Would loading precomputed values - say square roots - violate the rules or the spirit of the rules? 2011-10-20T11:32:16 of course not 2011-10-20T11:32:25 but that is a bad example 2011-10-20T11:32:47 it takes more time to fetch it from memory than to recompute it 2011-10-20T11:33:40 lrh9__: the limit is that your archive must be within 2MBs 2011-10-20T11:33:56 but this opens up an interesting bug 2011-10-20T11:34:06 next game? I can't even login (I wonder if some accounts were cleared yesterday?) 2011-10-20T11:35:03 you are worrying over nuances 2011-10-20T11:35:30 could you log in at least once? 2011-10-20T11:35:50 mcstar: Yeah 2011-10-20T11:36:03 I registered and logged in a few times before registrations were closed yesterday 2011-10-20T11:36:10 than clearly, you have forgotten your password 2011-10-20T11:36:20 mcstar, I'm not sure it would be slower. I'm doing a simple test (so my testing methodology may be flawed) but according to my timeits calculating the square root of a number is a little over twice as slow as looking it up from a dictionary of number, square root pairs. 2011-10-20T11:36:26 mcstar: Not a chance. 2011-10-20T11:36:41 *** Lurchi has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T11:36:50 lrh9__: python? 2011-10-20T11:36:54 Yes. 2011-10-20T11:36:58 use numpy 2011-10-20T11:37:25 it is slow, beacuse python must dispatch on its dynamic variable's type 2011-10-20T11:37:39 you are not measuring sqrt speed 2011-10-20T11:38:14 ermau: all i can say is that i can log in 2011-10-20T11:38:32 and the admins dont delete accounts "just that" 2011-10-20T11:38:45 can you find yourself, 2011-10-20T11:38:47 ? 2011-10-20T11:38:52 ermau: can you find your account with the User Search field? 2011-10-20T11:38:57 Well, I figured they might have due to the fact that it was just in beta 2011-10-20T11:39:16 they either delete all, or none 2011-10-20T11:39:16 mcstar: smiley1983: Yup 2011-10-20T11:39:44 what is it? 2011-10-20T11:40:02 erimau 2011-10-20T11:40:15 (bloody 6 char min on usernames -_- ) 2011-10-20T11:40:39 is there any way of logging during a game on the local computer (I'm using java). I suspect it could be problematic since System.out is used to issue commands to the server 2011-10-20T11:41:04 andy: you can use standard error output 2011-10-20T11:41:10 so the sumbissions are open again? 2011-10-20T11:41:12 use -e -E flags with playgame.py 2011-10-20T11:41:19 alright. thanks 2011-10-20T11:41:20 and you can write to files too 2011-10-20T11:41:37 ruser: only registrations were closed i believe 2011-10-20T11:41:38 ok, I thought that was forbidden.. 2011-10-20T11:41:44 mcstar: cool 2011-10-20T11:41:52 *** |UncleVasya| <|UncleVasya|!kvirc@178-133-240-108.dialup.umc.net.ua> has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T11:41:54 andy: i believe it's forbidden to do it on the server 2011-10-20T11:41:55 Submissions were closed yesterday when I checked 2011-10-20T11:41:58 mcstar: ruser: submissions also 2011-10-20T11:42:04 thanks 2011-10-20T11:42:21 to pic says both are closed, is that still actual? :) 2011-10-20T11:42:27 ok 2011-10-20T11:42:28 anyway, theres not much point in doing so, cause games are slow 2011-10-20T11:42:28 s/to pic/topic/ 2011-10-20T11:42:33 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2011-10-20T11:42:51 mcstar: agreed, 116 is not bad i had 300 - 2days ago 2011-10-20T11:43:18 i _think_ can't remember exact 2011-10-20T11:43:45 *** |UncleVasya| <|UncleVasya|!kvirc@178-133-240-108.dialup.umc.net.ua> has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T11:44:01 sir_macelon: i read the topic 2011-10-20T11:44:06 when was the last time tools.zip was updated? 2011-10-20T11:45:06 im gonna do some work now, please somebody take the helpdesk 2011-10-20T11:46:05 *** kronos has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T11:46:15 *** Chris_0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T11:49:06 *** AndChat| has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T11:49:33 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T11:50:17 *** chris__0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T11:50:36 *** goutham has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T11:50:46 use of gems in ruby ? 2011-10-20T11:52:12 hmm: "behavior conditional on the opponent's identity" <- hmm, where is the line in this context? is that predicting the behavior or also recognizing that for example 2 different enemies and doing an action based on that (and that only) 2011-10-20T11:53:17 avdg: where do you get that from? 2011-10-20T11:53:25 *** Chris_0076 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-20T11:53:51 http://aichallenge.org/rules.php 2011-10-20T11:54:15 *** nea has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T11:54:17 *** rogerhall has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T11:54:23 *** kronos has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-10-20T11:54:51 the players already receive data so they know in which team the ants belongs to 2011-10-20T11:54:52 Hi - I suppose my account was deleted? I was out for a bit ... 2011-10-20T11:54:56 *** boegel has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-10-20T11:55:11 *** Knekkebjoern1 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-10-20T11:55:12 but it looks like we probably may not use this data 2011-10-20T11:55:40 rogerhall: Why do you think that? 2011-10-20T11:55:46 avdg: i think it means, if you try to make another opponent win based on some data, that is considred cheating and you will be disqualified 2011-10-20T11:55:52 I cannot find it anymore, cannot login 2011-10-20T11:55:54 avdg: it means you cannot base your strategy on some other opponent's strategy 2011-10-20T11:56:44 but suppose 2 enemies are close together, you can say that you can make your ai less interesting in attacking that location 2011-10-20T11:56:48 old game links also not working ermau 2011-10-20T11:57:21 http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=115712&user=368 2011-10-20T11:57:26 sir_macelon: avdg it's attached to a specific identity, from what i understand 2011-10-20T11:57:26 would that be against the rules? 2011-10-20T11:59:20 *** phu54321 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T11:59:28 it means: you cannot identify specific enemies, you CAN identify startegies, but cannot make action regarding another player's identity: i.e.: you match a "behavoir" to A.Smith, and your code copntains explicitely: if i encounter A.Smith, i will collaborate with him 2011-10-20T11:59:35 any thoughts ermau? Was there no administrative deleting? 2011-10-20T11:59:55 the ruby starter package has two .rb files. it does not have 'One hundred randomly generated maps that you can use for testing'. where can i get some maps? 2011-10-20T12:00:04 The way I interpret it is that if you can somehow tell that a bot belongs to player Bob, you can't write a bot that combats Bob's specific implementation. I'd think that opponent modeling (as in gather data that is legally available and making decisions based on it) would and should be legal. 2011-10-20T12:00:05 rogerhall: No idea, I had a similar but different issue 2011-10-20T12:00:05 donpdonp: in tools.zip 2011-10-20T12:00:16 rogerhall: the rules have changed about 3 weeks ago and all accounts and games were wiped back then 2011-10-20T12:00:20 ruser: where is that? 2011-10-20T12:00:27 @topic 2011-10-20T12:00:27 lrh9__: AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge || Submissions and signups for the beta have closed. They will reopen when the contest starts later today (Oct 20). Please be patient while we make the final touches. 2011-10-20T12:00:44 thnx sir - I spose I missed the deadlin to rejoin then. 2011-10-20T12:01:35 ah - heh 2011-10-20T12:01:42 rogerhall: you didn't missed the contest open tomorrow 2011-10-20T12:02:12 awesome thnx folks - may all your ants find their paths :} 2011-10-20T12:02:15 what time is it 2011-10-20T12:02:15 donpdonp: http://aichallenge.org/tools.zip 2011-10-20T12:02:17 *** rogerhall has left #aichallenge 2011-10-20T12:02:31 it's 01:01 AM here 2011-10-20T12:02:44 @time 2011-10-20T12:02:44 mcstar: 12:02 PM, October 20, 2011 2011-10-20T12:02:50 ruser: got it. thx! 2011-10-20T12:03:09 *** kronos has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T12:03:33 *** sir_macelon has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T12:05:03 *** ChrisH_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T12:05:04 *** Eruonen has quit IRC () 2011-10-20T12:05:16 *** goutham has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T12:05:43 *** keek has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T12:05:49 *** keek is now known as k33k 2011-10-20T12:06:52 Question: Locations with dead ants are functionally equivalent to passable locations? (They're just for your information.) 2011-10-20T12:07:17 lrh9__: they are, in fact food can spawn too 2011-10-20T12:09:41 *** dd has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T12:10:13 *** Knekkebjoern has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T12:11:00 *** Sunshowers has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T12:12:02 *** jcdjcd has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-10-20T12:13:10 *** okayzed has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T12:15:02 *** mende has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T12:15:21 *** phu54321 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T12:15:29 i just noticed, turntime is back on 1000ms 2011-10-20T12:18:37 *** phu54321 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T12:19:21 I found a bug on this site. http://aichallenge.org/find_user.php?username=&search=Go (blank username) 2011-10-20T12:19:45 *** ChrisH_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T12:20:28 *** ash0d has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T12:20:39 maybe im there 2011-10-20T12:21:57 *** AndChat| has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-20T12:22:26 *** okayzed has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2011-10-20T12:22:34 *** arcaseus has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T12:22:51 As I understand the contest will open today until December... 2011-10-20T12:22:53 *** david___ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T12:23:07 why such a long period? what is expected to happen during this time? 2011-10-20T12:23:37 *** Blkt has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-20T12:24:11 Hi! How can I create a account ? 2011-10-20T12:24:19 ash0d, I think you said it will be finished December, i am understanding correctly? 2011-10-20T12:24:32 david___, 2011-10-20T12:24:32 then that's not that long i think.. 2011-10-20T12:24:34 @topic 2011-10-20T12:24:34 lrh9__: AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge || Submissions and signups for the beta have closed. They will reopen when the contest starts later today (Oct 20). Please be patient while we make the final touches. 2011-10-20T12:24:39 that's what I understand 2011-10-20T12:25:08 personally i was hoping it was like 6 months ;p 2011-10-20T12:25:26 we can have 100s of thousands matches during that time, is that the purpose? 2011-10-20T12:25:32 ok, may be I'm missing something obvious here :) 2011-10-20T12:25:57 just personal reasons, i'm really busy at school until 2 months from now.. 2011-10-20T12:26:07 ha ha 2011-10-20T12:26:32 lrh9__ Do you have any idea when ? 2011-10-20T12:26:34 @time 2011-10-20T12:26:34 Accoun: 12:26 PM, October 20, 2011 2011-10-20T12:26:38 i am first to ai contest so i wanna practice and try with enough time :) 2011-10-20T12:27:07 same here Laie 2011-10-20T12:27:13 ^^ 2011-10-20T12:27:15 I just got here yesterday 2011-10-20T12:27:22 today< 2011-10-20T12:27:29 david___, no. We haven't been told a time (if one has been decided on). Be patient. Sign up and registration will almost certainly be open tomorrow. 2011-10-20T12:27:58 *** mende has quit IRC (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1) 2011-10-20T12:27:59 Sign up and registration. :p Sign up and submission. 2011-10-20T12:28:47 lrh6__ thanks 2011-10-20T12:29:06 lrh6__ will you update the FAQ and other info with the final decisions? 2011-10-20T12:29:16 you == staff 2011-10-20T12:29:18 *** david___ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T12:30:10 I can't. I'm not involved in any official capacity with the contest. I'm just passing on what I've heard. I think mcstar may be involved. 2011-10-20T12:30:39 *** xathis has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T12:30:40 *** phu54321 has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T12:30:55 *** ak0 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T12:30:57 i am not an organizer 2011-10-20T12:31:06 Ah. 2011-10-20T12:31:12 the contest will start, and they will polish the site 2011-10-20T12:31:19 dont worry guys soo much 2011-10-20T12:32:34 thanks :) 2011-10-20T12:32:54 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T12:32:54 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-10-20T12:32:59 hello 2011-10-20T12:33:09 Hello. 2011-10-20T12:33:09 *** phu54321 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T12:33:11 amstan: yo, launch party tonight! 2011-10-20T12:33:24 get wild 2011-10-20T12:33:26 yep 2011-10-20T12:33:43 @rainbow PARTY! 2011-10-20T12:33:43 amstan: PARTY! 2011-10-20T12:33:44 we're getting 3 things: Pizza, Coca-cola and a Projector for realtime site stats 2011-10-20T12:33:59 and a few monitors for IRC of course 2011-10-20T12:34:47 @rainbow I really did not know this existed. This should be an n-th rainbow btw. 2011-10-20T12:34:47 aarossig: I really did not know this existed. This should be an n-th rainbow btw. 2011-10-20T12:35:15 oh yes, that is a octuple rainbow 2011-10-20T12:35:43 *** kronos has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-20T12:35:48 funny how there is white in rainbow! 2011-10-20T12:37:52 *** Siretu has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T12:37:56 *** xunie-laptop has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T12:38:23 @later tell janzert remember to put player count in map names 2011-10-20T12:38:23 McLeopold: Yes master! 2011-10-20T12:40:27 *** mmaruseacph2 has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2011-10-20T12:41:20 *** olexs has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T12:42:10 *** ascadian has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-20T12:42:22 *** phu54321 has left #aichallenge 2011-10-20T12:42:28 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2011-10-20T12:42:40 ash0d: the games during those two months(ish) don't count for anything - once the submissions close, ranks ar reset and the final tournament is run. 2011-10-20T12:42:43 *** ak0s has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T12:42:59 *** ak0 has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T12:43:28 smiley, thanks! Now *that* makes sense. 2011-10-20T12:43:38 I was hoping to hear something similar. 2011-10-20T12:44:07 no worries :) 2011-10-20T12:44:12 so basically we'll be able to experiment and upload modifications of our bots until the closing date, at which point the real tournament will start? 2011-10-20T12:45:17 this is gonna be the real turnament, that is the finals 2011-10-20T12:45:25 tournament* 2011-10-20T12:46:12 so we get only one submission? 2011-10-20T12:46:47 it is as smiley1983 said, im just stressing the importance of this period 2011-10-20T12:47:06 i see, tnx 2011-10-20T12:47:27 *** jonathanasdf has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T12:48:02 *** dvladim has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T12:48:40 smiley1983: nice to see you're sleep pattern is still normal :) 2011-10-20T12:48:45 i just cooked butter chicken :P 2011-10-20T12:49:31 Should we scrap input validation from a starter package to increase execution speed or is it pretty much vital? I wouldn't expect malformed or nonstandard input from the contest. 2011-10-20T12:50:01 imo very little time is actually used on reading input in the end 2011-10-20T12:50:10 i'd be more concerned about minimising bugs 2011-10-20T12:52:05 *** nea has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T12:52:21 antimatroid: haha, yes, though I'm actually heading toward sleep now 2011-10-20T12:52:39 ahh, i'm working on my thesis :P 2011-10-20T12:52:50 i ride the productivity train while it's around 2011-10-20T12:52:54 WAIT 2011-10-20T12:52:57 *caps 2011-10-20T12:53:07 So do we only get one submission or not? 2011-10-20T12:53:13 after it starts later today 2011-10-20T12:53:16 *** Larose has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T12:53:21 you can submit as many times as you like 2011-10-20T12:53:27 yes, when the brain wants to work, best to let it do so :) 2011-10-20T12:53:32 but you're only allowed one account and that's only allowed one active submission at a time 2011-10-20T12:53:40 Ah 2011-10-20T12:53:44 That's what I thought 2011-10-20T12:54:26 woah, there's 115 people in the channel 2011-10-20T12:54:33 Now to find time to work on my ants.... 2011-10-20T12:55:04 Siretu: which language are you using? 2011-10-20T12:55:09 noooooooo 2011-10-20T12:55:11 Python or Java 2011-10-20T12:55:15 nooooo 2011-10-20T12:55:16 use c++ :) 2011-10-20T12:55:24 on step 2 in the tutorial, and already foreseeing how incredibly difficult it will be to get an optimal algo 2011-10-20T12:55:24 If I have speed problems I might switch from python 2011-10-20T12:55:29 if it's even possible :O 2011-10-20T12:55:40 Possibly c++ 2011-10-20T12:55:47 antimatroid: i have a working c++ bot now 2011-10-20T12:55:53 I need to learn it better for my final project 2011-10-20T12:55:53 mcstar: :) 2011-10-20T12:55:58 in high school 2011-10-20T12:56:06 anyone knows time limits for 1 round? 2011-10-20T12:56:12 Anyone else here taking the Stanford AI course? 2011-10-20T12:56:13 this challenge seems like it has a much larger solution space than planetwars 2011-10-20T12:56:18 the online version 2011-10-20T12:56:18 Siretu: me 2011-10-20T12:56:27 Advanced or basic? 2011-10-20T12:56:30 advanced 2011-10-20T12:56:32 ikaros: i believe its 1000ms now 2011-10-20T12:56:35 Siretu: yep, in it. advanced too 2011-10-20T12:56:36 lol, the state space for planet wars and ants were both unimaginably large 2011-10-20T12:56:37 Nice, how did the first homework go? 2011-10-20T12:57:04 85%. not great, but OK 2011-10-20T12:57:07 I haven't finished all the lectures for this week yet, nor the homework. I am finding less time for everything 2011-10-20T12:57:09 ok thanks just to get a feeling.. whether it's more like 1milli sec, 1 sec or 1 minute :) 2011-10-20T12:57:17 annoyed that they think loaded coins are partially observable 2011-10-20T12:57:44 I got 100%, the homework felt easy but I was afraid I was going to lose a lot of points due to me being stupid 2011-10-20T12:58:00 *** Xunie has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-20T12:58:03 HW2 is a lot more interesting 2011-10-20T12:58:14 antimatroid: but i couldnt resist the idea of storing parameters in a hashtable 2011-10-20T12:58:18 Nice to hear, I'll try to finish it tomorrow 2011-10-20T12:58:25 antimatroid: i didnt have to use il/else this way 2011-10-20T12:58:32 I got a politics(ish) test tomorrow 2011-10-20T12:58:39 *** Xunie has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T12:58:40 So about now would be a good time to start studying 2011-10-20T12:58:59 I don't think he would accept "But sir, I was busy training ants" as the reason for failing the test. 2011-10-20T12:59:29 you're not training but commanding :P 2011-10-20T12:59:40 Good point 2011-10-20T12:59:43 well, unless you go the genetic route i guess 2011-10-20T12:59:46 training if you actually use machine learning 2011-10-20T12:59:50 Yeah 2011-10-20T12:59:54 haha if anyone actually goes the genetic route 2011-10-20T12:59:55 I was just thinking about that 2011-10-20T13:00:01 I was considering it 2011-10-20T13:00:07 That would be awesome 2011-10-20T13:00:17 cesteban and his class will go genetic 2011-10-20T13:00:25 Nice 2011-10-20T13:00:43 *** kljbl has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T13:00:44 if i find time i'll try to get a game tree happening for battles 2011-10-20T13:00:50 Siretu: me too. I got 96% (not the coin) 2011-10-20T13:00:54 but even then one needs to prune like mad 2011-10-20T13:01:12 ash0d: the ai class? 2011-10-20T13:01:12 *** brak2718 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T13:01:14 nash equilibrium for battles 2011-10-20T13:01:19 yup 2011-10-20T13:01:24 yeah, same here. 2011-10-20T13:01:32 you mean "nash equilibrium for bottles"? 2011-10-20T13:01:33 good luck constructing the game :P 2011-10-20T13:01:59 it's easier to just abuse notation and construct it as a tree and use backward induction as it's easier to iteratively generate a tree until you run out of time 2011-10-20T13:02:07 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2011-10-20T13:02:32 i'd like to try genetic programming just in general but i don't have the time to set it up right now 2011-10-20T13:02:47 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T13:02:47 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-10-20T13:03:03 Zannick, I think you'll timeout way too often. 2011-10-20T13:03:17 how so? 2011-10-20T13:03:28 genetic algorithms are all that fast 2011-10-20T13:03:37 ? 2011-10-20T13:03:47 actually, the evolutionary process isn't efficient at all 2011-10-20T13:03:47 i wouldn't upload the part that generates the bot :P 2011-10-20T13:04:10 i see :) 2011-10-20T13:04:17 you can't write to file on the server anyway, so you might as well just train it before submitting 2011-10-20T13:04:19 you'll generate based on genetic 2011-10-20T13:04:32 Zannick: yeah, evolving a bot under 1 sec is not really feasible on current EC2 machines 2011-10-20T13:04:32 that is how it's usually done, yes 2011-10-20T13:04:48 that may work, if you have enough cycles until the closing date :P 2011-10-20T13:05:12 isn't the resulting algorithm pretty much opaque and impossible to tweak 2011-10-20T13:05:15 mcstar: not really only that, but with more time to generate a bot it'll generate a better one 2011-10-20T13:05:29 you just have to modify the evolver and model parameters and hope you get better results 2011-10-20T13:05:57 Say, I was wondering. What if my bot crashes during a game? Can I build in error reporting facilities in my bot? 2011-10-20T13:06:29 previously, you had a chunk of stderr on your profile page 2011-10-20T13:06:35 but i dont see it anymore 2011-10-20T13:06:49 Like, maybe it's handy that stderr will be outputted to a file for later retrieval. 2011-10-20T13:06:57 this reminds me, what about logging? can we enable it? 2011-10-20T13:06:58 nah 2011-10-20T13:07:14 I mean, the bot can't write to files itself. So... :/ 2011-10-20T13:07:20 it can locally 2011-10-20T13:07:23 just not on the server 2011-10-20T13:07:55 you can output to stderr as i said, and previously, i know fore sure, you could see the end of the error output when your bot crashed 2011-10-20T13:08:17 what language can i develop the AI? 2011-10-20T13:08:22 now, either it got changed, or simply my bot doesnt want to report anything 2011-10-20T13:08:31 can i develop with C++? 2011-10-20T13:08:33 but it is possible to re-enable this feature 2011-10-20T13:08:36 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T13:08:39 Laie: Yes 2011-10-20T13:08:46 lol excited! 2011-10-20T13:08:47 Laie: i almost demand it 2011-10-20T13:08:49 isnt that D? 2011-10-20T13:08:57 stupid name 2011-10-20T13:09:05 There's a list of available languages here: http://aichallenge.org/starter_packages.php 2011-10-20T13:09:13 shhh, c++ is fine 2011-10-20T13:09:22 mcstart / good point i think 2011-10-20T13:09:25 Siretu: no, that is the list of "starter packages" 2011-10-20T13:09:29 well 2011-10-20T13:09:35 Laie: pretty much any language 2011-10-20T13:09:37 but maybe 'C' is a variable 2011-10-20T13:09:38 it also contains languages that there are no starter package for? 2011-10-20T13:09:41 right? 2011-10-20T13:09:58 *** rr5 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T13:10:08 I mean, Erlang is in the list even though there's no starter package for it 2011-10-20T13:10:17 the lolcode bot didn't make it to the starter packages? :( 2011-10-20T13:10:22 what C++ linker server is using? 2011-10-20T13:10:27 windows'? 2011-10-20T13:10:33 gcc 2011-10-20T13:10:35 of course 2011-10-20T13:10:42 what do you mean windows? 2011-10-20T13:10:51 *** kozlovsky has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T13:10:53 i mean can i use WINAPIs 2011-10-20T13:10:54 what is windows' linker? 2011-10-20T13:10:55 if you look at the starter_package page, it has the info for that 2011-10-20T13:11:00 *** jonathanasdf has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T13:11:21 Laie: sure, just make sure to disable that part before you upload 2011-10-20T13:11:35 antimatroid, is lolcode turing complete? 2011-10-20T13:11:38 i got it :D 2011-10-20T13:12:07 of course it is 2011-10-20T13:12:11 @time 2011-10-20T13:12:11 antimatroid: 01:12 PM, October 20, 2011 2011-10-20T13:12:16 like brainfuck or whitespace 2011-10-20T13:12:32 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-20T13:12:37 what's the name of putting a program inside a program? 2011-10-20T13:12:37 mcstar: whitespace makes me lol just thinking about it 2011-10-20T13:12:46 I didn't know either of these were turing complete! 2011-10-20T13:12:50 like a program which is a valid program in multiple programming languages 2011-10-20T13:12:54 even c++'s templates are supposed to be turing complete 2011-10-20T13:13:07 yes they are 2011-10-20T13:13:23 called polygot 2011-10-20T13:13:23 looking forward tomorrow 2011-10-20T13:13:27 polyglot 2011-10-20T13:13:41 it's 2 AM here im going to get sleep :) 2011-10-20T13:13:42 provided your algorithm has known initial state (to the compiler) 2011-10-20T13:13:51 it's 4 am be a man :P 2011-10-20T13:14:00 i am a loser xD 2011-10-20T13:14:12 what timezones are you guys in? 2011-10-20T13:14:21 here 10pm 2011-10-20T13:14:25 +10(+1 <3 daylight savings) 2011-10-20T13:14:34 so +11 2011-10-20T13:14:45 GMT +1 I think 2011-10-20T13:14:51 Timezones make me dizzy 2011-10-20T13:14:57 +4 2011-10-20T13:14:58 Stockholm 2011-10-20T13:14:58 you get used to it in here 2011-10-20T13:15:15 summer is coming! 2011-10-20T13:15:20 antimatroid, ozzy? 2011-10-20T13:15:21 wrong, winter 2011-10-20T13:15:24 yeah, tasmania 2011-10-20T13:15:33 What do you guys think about having stationary ants guarding exits and such? 2011-10-20T13:15:39 there you go with summer :) 2011-10-20T13:15:47 *** k33k has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T13:15:47 you can use stationary ants to control where ants spawn 2011-10-20T13:15:50 Siretu: original 2011-10-20T13:16:04 Siretu, that's tricky... you don't want to block your exits 2011-10-20T13:16:18 Well, the paths are quite big, one stationary ant wont block it 2011-10-20T13:16:19 antimatroid: are you available for the launch? 2011-10-20T13:16:20 might i remind some of you, the beta period has lasted for half a year 2011-10-20T13:16:21 so you have to manage it such that you don't stifle your growth 2011-10-20T13:16:46 yet, somehow, I managed to stay ignorant of it until yesterday! 2011-10-20T13:16:57 Same 2011-10-20T13:17:01 amstan: i can try 2011-10-20T13:17:02 ash0d: because of a leak 2011-10-20T13:17:04 Saw it on /r/aiclass 2011-10-20T13:17:05 i'll probably be at uni at the time 2011-10-20T13:17:06 whois Siretu 2011-10-20T13:17:09 isnt supposed to happen 2011-10-20T13:17:13 sorry, lol 2011-10-20T13:17:13 *** kljbl has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T13:17:15 same here 2011-10-20T13:17:19 amstan: the channel is getting quite busy :P 2011-10-20T13:17:21 *** TankEnMate has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T13:17:26 antimatroid: oh yeah, definatelly 2011-10-20T13:17:36 mcstar, what leak? 2011-10-20T13:17:54 it has been leaked that the contest will start in a matter of days 2011-10-20T13:18:03 I'll get an epilleptic shock if the colored names keep scrolling by at that rate :) 2011-10-20T13:18:03 that's private information? 2011-10-20T13:18:06 well.. it's not really a leak 2011-10-20T13:18:09 it's been said in this channel multiple times 2011-10-20T13:18:18 it's just that some blogs started blogging about us when we were in beta 2011-10-20T13:18:31 was it a private beta? 2011-10-20T13:18:32 leak is only 4 letters, let me call it a leak 2011-10-20T13:18:32 there was a reddit post months ago too 2011-10-20T13:18:38 no, beta was public 2011-10-20T13:18:50 *** Racko has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T13:19:00 ash0d: well.. it wasn't meant to be a load test, we don't think it's fair to have 10% of the users in beta 2011-10-20T13:19:03 that way i can compete :) 2011-10-20T13:19:23 but why wouldn't the open date be announced beforehand? 2011-10-20T13:19:32 ash0d: because we weren't sure 2011-10-20T13:19:35 the open date depended on when everything was ready 2011-10-20T13:19:44 which it was not 2011-10-20T13:19:52 makes sense 2011-10-20T13:19:53 *** qwerber has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T13:20:00 http://aichallenge.org/register.php says 'Account Creation Closed'. am i too late? 2011-10-20T13:20:06 @topic 2011-10-20T13:20:06 amstan: AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge || Submissions and signups for the beta have closed. They will reopen when the contest starts later today (Oct 20). Please be patient while we make the final touches. 2011-10-20T13:20:09 donpdonp: you're right on time 2011-10-20T13:20:09 especially that the site had some noticable issues 2011-10-20T13:20:19 antimatroid: oh 'later today'. cool 2011-10-20T13:21:03 as soon as those google engineers finished their free lunch and company-sponored lasertag/skydiving arena :) 2011-10-20T13:21:15 google is only a sponsor :) 2011-10-20T13:21:24 oh. that explains all the php :) 2011-10-20T13:21:28 ...i want to be at google 2011-10-20T13:21:33 me too 2011-10-20T13:21:40 there are a few googlers about though 2011-10-20T13:21:45 oh, who doesn't, lol 2011-10-20T13:21:58 i think i want the food more than anything 2011-10-20T13:21:58 one day! 2011-10-20T13:21:59 i don't even like skydiving 2011-10-20T13:22:09 Zannick: so lasertag? 2011-10-20T13:22:21 but lasertag skydiving.... 2011-10-20T13:22:22 I implemented my own package. 2011-10-20T13:22:26 now that would be interesting 2011-10-20T13:22:33 *** mattfedd has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T13:22:42 i want to skydive non-tandem first time 2011-10-20T13:23:11 *** asdf_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T13:23:25 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T13:24:25 *** Sunshowers has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T13:24:36 heheh, 119 humans here. It's a usual_number*3 :) 2011-10-20T13:24:50 give or take 2011-10-20T13:25:12 yep :P 2011-10-20T13:25:46 *** oops has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T13:27:03 is there a way to make my console not disappear instantly after it runs a game 2011-10-20T13:27:11 i cant read the results, it closes and visualizer opens 2011-10-20T13:27:26 djr_: sure, open a console window first :') 2011-10-20T13:27:46 *** jix_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T13:27:58 lol 2011-10-20T13:28:09 Maybe ask for input? (Makes the console wait for input.) 2011-10-20T13:28:10 or you could add a "pause" to the end 2011-10-20T13:28:12 oh is that hows its done 2011-10-20T13:28:54 djr_: most of the contest developers use Linux and it is common there to have a console window open 2011-10-20T13:29:08 yeah im doing this on my windows computer 2011-10-20T13:29:16 im not used to windows console 2011-10-20T13:29:28 yes, the recommendation is to run python from the windows console 2011-10-20T13:29:28 *** amstan has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-20T13:29:39 download far manager 2011-10-20T13:29:55 it's easier with it 2011-10-20T13:30:00 @seen Zaphus 2011-10-20T13:30:00 UncleVasya: Zaphus was last seen in #aichallenge 16 weeks, 3 days, 19 hours, 40 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: _flag thanks 2011-10-20T13:30:03 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T13:30:03 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-10-20T13:30:16 oh my neighbor, she is practicing opera singing again 2011-10-20T13:30:37 mleise: blast gordon strombola 2011-10-20T13:30:38 headphones? 2011-10-20T13:30:45 *** Racko has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T13:30:58 mleise: http://www.8bitpeoples.com/discography/zip/8BP072 2011-10-20T13:31:05 should i turn my hi-fi on with punk rock? 2011-10-20T13:31:36 mleise: try that 2011-10-20T13:31:53 mleise: also, The bug usually applicable to our work 2011-10-20T13:32:12 *** brak2718 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T13:32:30 *** jcdjcd has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T13:32:36 mcstar, aarossig: you guys should talk in here 2011-10-20T13:32:46 oh 2011-10-20T13:32:52 we like privacy 2011-10-20T13:32:53 amstan: what how? did you.. see... 2011-10-20T13:32:56 mleise: As about punk-rock. Have you listened Tonight Alive - What Are You So Scared Of? 2011-10-20T13:32:59 aarossig: i'm next to you.. 2011-10-20T13:33:02 Y U SCREEN LOOK! 2011-10-20T13:33:03 lol 2011-10-20T13:33:20 amstan is magic 2011-10-20T13:33:29 Who is aarossig? 2011-10-20T13:33:37 introductions should be redundant :| 2011-10-20T13:33:39 unofficial public relations guy :P 2011-10-20T13:33:46 the lover of green/rust colored website, he is 2011-10-20T13:33:50 UncleVasya: he designed the site 2011-10-20T13:33:59 and I did a couple launch videos 2011-10-20T13:34:08 that will be made public later this afternoon 2011-10-20T13:34:30 *** ascadian has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T13:34:34 it's green/brown like.. IRL grass 2011-10-20T13:34:38 but hey, it looks good 2011-10-20T13:34:45 *** anoek has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T13:34:54 amstan: thank you, but no. not my type of music :D. Although I listened to Knights Of Cydonia 8-bit 2011-10-20T13:35:02 *** dabino has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T13:35:07 mleise: it grew on me 2011-10-20T13:35:27 chiptunes are cool, Gordon Strombola is recommended for advanced listeners lol 2011-10-20T13:35:31 i have infected mushroom 2011-10-20T13:35:32 I usually do Nightwish/Therion 2011-10-20T13:35:39 Machinae Supremacy 2011-10-20T13:35:47 amstan: yeah, they grew on me slightly 2011-10-20T13:36:10 how does everyone feel about a live radio show? 2011-10-20T13:36:29 +1 2011-10-20T13:36:58 contents would be me reading a few interesting IRC comments, music, generic site stats, random musings (thanks for the support, Google) etc etc 2011-10-20T13:37:20 UncleVasya: do you have a good recording of that song? 2011-10-20T13:37:29 *** ckolding has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T13:37:31 come on i want 150 YES, SIR 2011-10-20T13:37:58 amstan: yeah! 2011-10-20T13:38:32 *** dabino has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T13:38:40 YES, MADAM 2011-10-20T13:38:49 ma'am 2011-10-20T13:39:01 ok, thats 1 2011-10-20T13:39:05 madamoiselle 2011-10-20T13:39:20 en francais 2011-10-20T13:39:30 aarossig: whatch your spelling ;) 2011-10-20T13:39:32 *** laksjhfliwuerh has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T13:39:39 *** ckolding has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T13:39:41 mleise: I am not a native speaker :P 2011-10-20T13:39:46 *** laksjhfliwuerh has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T13:40:10 mleise: I meant an album. I don't like it but it's the only 'punk' that came into my arms so I remembered. The only song from this album that I like is Amelia (but I like it very much) 2011-10-20T13:40:14 mleise: Je parle en peu le francais. (I learned from learn french MP3s) 2011-10-20T13:40:15 mleise: whatch your spelling ;) 2011-10-20T13:40:31 ash0d: wow, when you see it. That was good 2011-10-20T13:40:48 I noticed yours too :) 2011-10-20T13:40:54 mleise: http://www.lyricscafe.com/t/tonight-alive_121129/song_133768_lyrics.php 2011-10-20T13:40:55 ash0d: If I practiced what I preach... 2011-10-20T13:41:03 he he 2011-10-20T13:43:09 whoa, we had 94 people in the channel last night 2011-10-20T13:44:38 mleise: how about disabling the pulsating colored "circles" when FOW is on? 2011-10-20T13:44:39 UncleVasya: Oh one of those songs where you slowly realize that it is about someone who died. Very romantic as well. 2011-10-20T13:44:58 mcstar: hmm 2011-10-20T13:45:08 are you sure that adds anything? 2011-10-20T13:45:30 no, it subtracts, thats the point 2011-10-20T13:45:55 *** Odjuret has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T13:46:04 mleise: you know the drill, feel free to ignore me 2011-10-20T13:46:14 *** qwerber has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T13:46:14 *** Racko has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T13:46:26 uh... yes I tried to pose a rethorical question that you can only answer with no 2011-10-20T13:47:04 ask a question? poser une question? im totally confused now? what is right? 2011-10-20T13:47:30 you can pose a question 2011-10-20T13:49:36 Is there a game description page somewhere? All i'm seeing is examples and tutorials and such 2011-10-20T13:49:45 mcstar: so i can disable them, but I don't know if it is better that way. Usually when someone comes with an idea for an improvement I had thought about that before. 2011-10-20T13:49:45 and game descriptions 2011-10-20T13:50:01 i'm looking for game goals and rules 2011-10-20T13:50:15 mleise: it really doesnt matter for me, your call 2011-10-20T13:50:25 i mean i dont want to defend it or anything 2011-10-20T13:50:25 never mind i found it, just being dumb 2011-10-20T13:52:19 mleise: it would make sense if FOW was really slow, but it seems to me it isnt 2011-10-20T13:52:35 even on ff it feels fast 2011-10-20T13:53:04 when will registration open up? 2011-10-20T13:53:22 mleise: but in chromium the FOW buttons are colorless 2011-10-20T13:54:06 @time 2011-10-20T13:54:06 mcstar: 01:54 PM, October 20, 2011 2011-10-20T13:54:24 @date 2011-10-20T13:54:25 Zannick: An error occured while trying to show the previous error. 2011-10-20T13:54:26 mcstar: nothing I can do about. On local file systems every access to the data is a security violation. That's the standard. In FF I can ask the security manager for permission. 2011-10-20T13:54:34 @uptime 2011-10-20T13:54:35 Zannick: I have been running for 4 weeks, 2 days, 20 hours, 16 minutes, and 29 seconds. 2011-10-20T13:54:40 mcstar: All you could do is start chrome without web security 2011-10-20T13:54:42 not bad 2011-10-20T13:54:52 *** Sunshowers_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T13:55:12 mleise: ? 2011-10-20T13:55:24 how is that answer connected to any of my questions? 2011-10-20T13:55:56 mcstar: I cannot access the pixel data of my own button images to add color to them :p 2011-10-20T13:56:14 *** itelichko_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T13:56:18 mleise: can I make new buttons? 2011-10-20T13:56:23 why dont you encode the pics in base64 in the code? 2011-10-20T13:56:39 good joke 2011-10-20T13:56:39 mleise: no timeframe commitments (jobs...) but I can try! 2011-10-20T13:56:43 Zannick: i had more 2011-10-20T13:56:51 *** oops has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T13:56:51 *** arcaseus has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T13:56:52 *** yjroot has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T13:56:52 *** oops_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T13:56:57 It will be good to add in the contestbot's _time response current time also. 2011-10-20T13:57:09 hmm? 2011-10-20T13:57:12 hah? 2011-10-20T13:57:16 @botdoc 2011-10-20T13:57:17 amstan: botdoc could be (#1) http://ubottu.com/stdin/supydocs/plugins/, or (#2) http://supybook.fealdia.org/devel/, or (#3) http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/gribble/index.php?title=Supybot_Resources. 2011-10-20T13:57:18 UncleVasya: current time is available next ot the message in irssi 2011-10-20T13:57:20 *** itelichko has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T13:57:21 aarossig: sure you can. just go ahead. as long as the size stays the same it will work 2011-10-20T13:57:33 mleise: I will look into it 2011-10-20T13:57:35 thanks! 2011-10-20T13:57:42 aarossig: my local time. 2011-10-20T13:57:49 *** Odjuret has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T13:57:49 *** Sunshowers has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T13:57:49 *** Siretu has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T13:57:50 *** andy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T13:57:50 *** joffa has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T13:57:50 UncleVasya: @time displays the time at the time of the execution 2011-10-20T13:58:01 @until midnight 2011-10-20T13:58:01 amstan: 36119 2011-10-20T13:58:18 *** svolkov has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T13:58:19 *** AGrishchenko has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T13:58:30 mleise: though, the buttons you currently use are very classy 2011-10-20T13:58:31 @elapsed [until midnight] 2011-10-20T13:58:31 amstan: 10 hours, 1 minute, and 29 seconds 2011-10-20T13:58:41 i think the web gateway is crashing :< 2011-10-20T13:59:00 amstan: whoa, awesome comment 2011-10-20T13:59:01 @alias add launcheta [elapsed [until midnight]] 2011-10-20T13:59:01 amstan: Yep. 2011-10-20T13:59:05 @launcheta 2011-10-20T13:59:06 amstan: User error -- Replace user. 2011-10-20T13:59:06 amstan: command* 2011-10-20T13:59:45 mleise: anyway i dont get this, then how come the big bottom buttons are blue? 2011-10-20T13:59:49 aarossig: you can probably upload your buttons somewhere and set an url parameter when you load the visualizer on aichallenge.org to test them 2011-10-20T13:59:54 mcstar, I mean this format: [20:56:47] <@contestbot> mcstar: 01:54 PM, October 20, 2011; now is 00:13PM , October 20, 2011 2011-10-20T13:59:55 TIL: in py3k `def f(x:int, y:float): pass` is valid. Did anyone else know this? 2011-10-20T14:00:03 mcstar: because they are already colored 2011-10-20T14:00:17 i don't need to process them, only player colors are relevant 2011-10-20T14:00:22 mleise / amstan : http://imgur.com/PvC0I 2011-10-20T14:00:26 ah, wait. He says current time? I thought it was recorded in him time of start. 2011-10-20T14:00:35 @launcheta 2011-10-20T14:00:36 Launch in 9 hours, 59 minutes, and 33 seconds 2011-10-20T14:00:53 McLeopold: doesnt load 2011-10-20T14:00:53 whoa 2011-10-20T14:00:58 mleise: there's a mouse-over effect/rounded rectangle, cant you color it with alpha? 2011-10-20T14:00:58 amstan: watch -n 1 @Launcheta 2011-10-20T14:01:00 ah there we go 2011-10-20T14:01:09 McLeopold: what is that? 2011-10-20T14:01:29 better colors (imho) 2011-10-20T14:01:45 *** jcdjcd has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-10-20T14:01:55 McLeopold: for the player colors: NO, color-blind people see only a big green-red bar for at least 4 players :p 2011-10-20T14:01:59 the others are ok 2011-10-20T14:02:15 ok maybe 3 colors not 4 ;) 2011-10-20T14:02:37 McLeopold: love the colors, pastels 2011-10-20T14:02:48 @repeat launcheta 900 launcheta 2011-10-20T14:02:48 Launch in 9 hours, 59 minutes, and 33 seconds 2011-10-20T14:02:49 McLeopold: and fix the "spaces not showing up" in the game result at the bottom! 2011-10-20T14:02:51 *** jcdjcd has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T14:03:00 uh 2011-10-20T14:03:18 amstan: we should advertise this at school 2011-10-20T14:03:22 yell to everyone about it 2011-10-20T14:03:23 I did look at colorblind stuff before doing this 2011-10-20T14:03:35 McLeopold: neither did I 2011-10-20T14:03:44 McLeopold: in regards to the site design 2011-10-20T14:04:18 amstan: dun dun duuuuuuuu 2011-10-20T14:04:38 that water is textured 2011-10-20T14:05:16 but not like in the "official" visualizer 2011-10-20T14:05:35 i like McLeopold's water btter 2011-10-20T14:05:42 *** donpdonp has left #aichallenge 2011-10-20T14:06:00 When 'bot attempts to do something that the tournament manager deems a security issue and is disqualified' - what's the word for it in the game outcome? 2011-10-20T14:06:20 Eliminated, crashed, timeouted and... 2011-10-20T14:06:23 screwed? 2011-10-20T14:06:35 cheated? 2011-10-20T14:06:37 McLeopold: I have no objections to the water and the land color. 2011-10-20T14:07:15 mleise: so, how do we make the other colors colorblind safe? most images I looked at showed them only really able to see 2 colors 2011-10-20T14:07:56 It looks like most are red-green blind. 2011-10-20T14:08:12 mleise: correct, this is why traffic lights are designed the way they are 2011-10-20T14:08:31 basically.. avoid embedding red into green and you should be okay 2011-10-20T14:08:42 *** dc has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T14:08:45 I think there is a tool that shows you what it would look like if you were color blind 2011-10-20T14:08:56 basically.. if the webpage looks on in monochrome, it should be good 2011-10-20T14:09:01 good* 2011-10-20T14:09:08 s/monochrome/grayscale/ 2011-10-20T14:09:08 much easier to design for blind people 2011-10-20T14:09:10 amstan: I don't think that is right 2011-10-20T14:09:18 mcstar: haha 2011-10-20T14:09:24 McLeopold: i think it covers most of them 2011-10-20T14:09:24 and yeah, it isn't quite right 2011-10-20T14:09:27 they can see colors 2011-10-20T14:09:39 but they might be inverted or blended with a similar color 2011-10-20T14:09:50 I work with a man who is color blind and cannot read the codes off of resistors 2011-10-20T14:09:50 they're not inverted, just blended 2011-10-20T14:09:51 *** Slaftos has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T14:09:59 amstan: sometimes they are way out in left field 2011-10-20T14:10:05 amstan: like.. yellow to pink or something like that 2011-10-20T14:10:14 but this is rarer 2011-10-20T14:10:19 aarossig: yes, but if it's dark vs light, it's easy to distinguish 2011-10-20T14:10:21 aarossig: yeah, always annoyed me in North America, easter europe they just mark the resistance :) 2011-10-20T14:10:27 McLeopold: the human eye has receptors for color and for brightness. if the brightness is not affected, monochrome is always a good indicator 2011-10-20T14:10:33 I think John sees blue as red or something 2011-10-20T14:10:38 *** spaes has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-10-20T14:10:38 or blue as brown.. I can't remember 2011-10-20T14:10:50 s/easter/eastern 2011-10-20T14:10:55 *** lrh9__ has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-10-20T14:11:01 aichallenge: McLeopold * r33a03a8 / ants/visualizer/colortest.png : add image - http://git.io/1GsQIQ 2011-10-20T14:11:02 aichallenge: McLeopold * rfe9ced0 / ants/dist/starter_bots/cpp/Square.h : Merge branch 'epsilon' of github.com:aichallenge/aichallenge into epsilon - http://git.io/sHD90A 2011-10-20T14:11:09 *** dc has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T14:11:16 *** g0llum has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-20T14:11:24 McLeopold: anyway for the rest I added the Az button. It adds greek letters over ants to make them more distinguishable 2011-10-20T14:11:25 McLeopold: you are working on started bots? 2011-10-20T14:11:46 starter, jeez, i can't spell today 2011-10-20T14:11:57 *** g0llum has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T14:12:01 the homepage looks ok in grayscale, verything is readable, except the player colours on the visualizer 2011-10-20T14:12:12 but i don't expect that to work when there's 10 different colours 2011-10-20T14:12:57 amstan, how did you get that into grayscale ? 2011-10-20T14:13:05 amstan: from what I've seen color blind people don't browse the internet in grayscale 2011-10-20T14:13:07 1 think that could be done, is a button that lets you cycle colors 2011-10-20T14:13:12 thing* 2011-10-20T14:13:22 now... if we had a button that changed the users preffered colors cheme 2011-10-20T14:13:24 scheme* 2011-10-20T14:13:26 aarossig: you don't get it.. 2011-10-20T14:13:26 that would be decent 2011-10-20T14:13:37 amstan: it has to do with brightness, i know 2011-10-20T14:13:43 brightness and contrast 2011-10-20T14:13:46 no, brightness stays the same 2011-10-20T14:13:52 the problem is distinguishing between the hues 2011-10-20T14:14:05 as long as grayscale is readable, they should be able to read 2011-10-20T14:14:09 which in graysacle is contrast 2011-10-20T14:14:13 @aarossig: color blind people just have a different ratio of the primary color receptor... they see the colors shifted with the proportions that they lack in receptors 2011-10-20T14:14:14 ash0d: User error -- Replace user. 2011-10-20T14:14:16 ah, k 2011-10-20T14:14:35 mleise: 1 thing that could be done, is a button that lets you cycle colors 2011-10-20T14:14:55 mcstar: No more space -.- 2011-10-20T14:15:03 what? 2011-10-20T14:15:06 can you see this? 2011-10-20T14:15:09 ash0d: yep, so there is a chance that two colors are blended together and it becomes difficult to read something 2011-10-20T14:15:17 what space? 2011-10-20T14:15:22 sure 2011-10-20T14:15:23 2011-10-20T14:15:25 button space 2011-10-20T14:15:29 oh 2011-10-20T14:15:36 but no grayscale 2011-10-20T14:15:40 what buttonspace? 2011-10-20T14:15:53 I cannot add more buttons to the right side 2011-10-20T14:16:02 *** svolkov has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T14:16:17 http://colorfilter.wickline.org/?a=1;r=;l=9;j=1;u=aichallenge.org;t=n 2011-10-20T14:16:52 mleise: heres a crazy idea, what about the left side? 2011-10-20T14:17:05 are you ted kazinchky or what? 2011-10-20T14:17:49 Launch in 9 hours, 59 minutes, and 33 seconds 2011-10-20T14:18:19 ahh, now we know 2011-10-20T14:19:09 that was the same thing it said 15 minutes ago 2011-10-20T14:19:17 @launcheta 2011-10-20T14:19:17 Launch in 9 hours, 59 minutes, and 33 seconds 2011-10-20T14:19:32 oh no 2011-10-20T14:19:38 hehe 2011-10-20T14:19:45 whoops eager evaluation 2011-10-20T14:19:53 yeah 2011-10-20T14:20:04 McLeopold: were you generating the new maps or was I suppose to be? 2011-10-20T14:20:05 now. .the good question is how to make it lambda 2011-10-20T14:20:10 @launchbeta 2011-10-20T14:20:11 amstan: I have no idea what you mean. 2011-10-20T14:20:17 @launcheta 2011-10-20T14:20:17 Launch in 9 hours, 59 minutes, and 33 seconds 2011-10-20T14:20:30 @alias remove launcheta 2011-10-20T14:20:30 amstan: I think that worked... 2011-10-20T14:20:56 @alias add launcheta "echo [elapsed [until midnight]]" 2011-10-20T14:20:56 amstan: OK 2011-10-20T14:21:00 it's forever 6 o'clock on my watch ! 2011-10-20T14:21:02 @launcheta 2011-10-20T14:21:02 9 hours, 38 minutes, and 58 seconds 2011-10-20T14:21:08 @launcheta 2011-10-20T14:21:08 9 hours, 38 minutes, and 52 seconds 2011-10-20T14:21:12 there we go 2011-10-20T14:21:30 why eta? 2011-10-20T14:21:52 *** Zeroe has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T14:21:57 @roulette 2011-10-20T14:21:57 Posterdati: *click* 2011-10-20T14:22:03 fiuuu 2011-10-20T14:23:17 *** Zeroe has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T14:23:27 janzert: I thought you were 2011-10-20T14:23:42 *** g0llum has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-20T14:23:44 *** seckin has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T14:23:47 *** Odjuret has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T14:23:48 hey 2011-10-20T14:24:01 *** g0llum has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T14:24:03 do you know when the competition ends? 2011-10-20T14:24:33 seckin: in about 2 month after start. 2011-10-20T14:25:26 thanks! 2011-10-20T14:25:34 mleise: I'm going to try gimp to test colorblindness 2011-10-20T14:25:35 *** seckin has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T14:26:19 McLeopold: GIMP has integrated viewing filters for that even, but it seems to lack the classic red-green blindness filter 2011-10-20T14:26:44 McLeopold: Stocha was my test subject back then :) 2011-10-20T14:26:48 McLeopold: :) I thought you were 2011-10-20T14:26:54 I can though 2011-10-20T14:27:33 *** xathis has quit IRC () 2011-10-20T14:27:51 janzert: do you remember what variables you want in the filename? 2011-10-20T14:29:04 *** loverl has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T14:29:07 number of players, beyond that I don't 2011-10-20T14:29:16 type of map of course 2011-10-20T14:30:21 something like _p_.map, e.g. maze_06p_03.map 2011-10-20T14:31:00 mleise: according to vischeck with imageJ, I only need to adjust 1 color ! 2011-10-20T14:31:37 never heard of that tool. ok, but then all two player games will have red ants only 2011-10-20T14:32:13 mleise: no, I added code to separate the colors depending on the player count 2011-10-20T14:32:21 ordered by rank 2011-10-20T14:32:39 interesting :) 2011-10-20T14:32:44 so, in general, higher ranked players will be red, and lower ranked players will be blue 2011-10-20T14:32:50 9 hours, 27 minutes, and 10 seconds 2011-10-20T14:32:58 @shutup 2011-10-20T14:32:59 McLeopold: User error -- Replace user. 2011-10-20T14:33:11 @eta or what? 2011-10-20T14:33:12 mleise: I'm sorry Dave, err mleise; I cannot 'eta'. 2011-10-20T14:33:22 mleise: launcheta 2011-10-20T14:34:00 nice addition. I'll write a plugin when i have a funny idea 2011-10-20T14:34:31 *** skyramp has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T14:34:33 there, changed it to 30 minutes 2011-10-20T14:34:54 @launcheta 2011-10-20T14:34:54 9 hours, 25 minutes, and 6 seconds 2011-10-20T14:36:00 *** sic has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T14:36:41 McLeopold: I used to give the current user the first color in the list, how is that handled with your code changes? 2011-10-20T14:36:46 hi everyone! wher will submission reopened? 2011-10-20T14:36:56 sic: ^ 2011-10-20T14:37:11 @launcheta 2011-10-20T14:37:11 9 hours, 22 minutes, and 49 seconds 2011-10-20T14:37:39 *** anoek has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-20T14:38:29 thanks 2011-10-20T14:39:38 Will it be automatic or you guys have a big red button somewhere? 2011-10-20T14:39:54 probably a big red button 2011-10-20T14:40:28 there couldn't be a big red button or else the contest would have already started the moment it was created 2011-10-20T14:40:37 for who could resist the temptation of pushing a big red button? 2011-10-20T14:41:10 on that note i think it's time for bed :P 2011-10-20T14:41:27 So, when will the contest close? 2011-10-20T14:41:58 this is the figure of speech of Wolfram, he uses this "... for ... this or that " for every other sentence 2011-10-20T14:42:21 I mean, launch is in 9 hours. But how long do I have to develop my own bot? 2011-10-20T14:42:32 ~2 months 2011-10-20T14:42:39 *** danielha_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-20T14:42:42 xunie-laptop: There is no specific date but it will lasts for about 2 month 2011-10-20T14:43:36 We will post a specific date within a few days after launch at the most 2011-10-20T14:43:42 *** the-mgt has quit IRC (Quit: the-mgt) 2011-10-20T14:44:00 I'll keep the visualizer as is from now on and add no more features. If there are bugs I'll fix them of course. 2011-10-20T14:44:20 mleise: you sound like haskell 2011-10-20T14:45:02 mcstar: It is important that a compiler reaches a final state so it doesn't cause problems on every new update :) 2011-10-20T14:45:31 mleise: You hate the day you said 'I can make a visualizer', don't you? :D 2011-10-20T14:46:46 lol 2011-10-20T14:46:51 UncleVasya: No, it was a nice project to work on with other good programmers. 2011-10-20T14:46:54 UncleVasya: would you hate the day your notion of an immensively useful thing came to your mind that later you implemented well, and which is an integral part of system that many people will spend their next 2months on? 2011-10-20T14:47:00 alright, i'm going home 2011-10-20T14:47:31 Now thousands of people will use my program :D 2011-10-20T14:48:53 Looking back I whish I had a better offline-visualizer than the slow and memory hungry java wrapper 2011-10-20T14:49:07 yep, you could insert some banners there :) 2011-10-20T14:49:34 *** Arukim has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T14:50:18 lol, I feel about it more like a community effort. the most work has probably been done by McLeopold, but it is not so obvious. 2011-10-20T14:50:43 databases, php, engine etc... 2011-10-20T14:50:53 *** Racko has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T14:51:05 people sometimes think the visualizer *is* the game engine 2011-10-20T14:51:26 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-10-20T14:51:45 Like someone thinks monitor is a computer. 2011-10-20T14:52:16 right, although this is a programming contest and you'd expect the participants to know better :) 2011-10-20T14:53:24 mleise, never underestimate human stupidity. Afterall most problems are PEBCAK 2011-10-20T14:53:24 *** ChrisH_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T14:53:34 Every project has come to an end. It needs a fixed date. So I feel like my work is done and I can enjoy the show ;) 2011-10-20T14:54:23 *** kozlovsky has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T14:54:37 *** oops_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T14:54:38 the most abundant elements in the universe: hydrogen and human stupidity, right? 2011-10-20T14:55:03 you are stupid if you call ignorant people stupid 2011-10-20T14:55:31 I don't know what hydrogen is. 2011-10-20T14:55:32 and, i wont even call newbies ignorant 2011-10-20T14:55:40 i would call them unnoying 2011-10-20T14:55:42 annoying 2011-10-20T14:57:08 *** Siretu has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T14:58:11 UncleVasya: a physican used to say that as a joke after the discovery of which elements make up the universe. hydrogen is part of water together with oxygen. 2011-10-20T14:58:55 or part of natural gas together with carbon 2011-10-20T14:58:58 ok 2011-10-20T14:59:41 MLEISE: physicist 2011-10-20T14:59:46 *** ant___ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T14:59:56 mcstar: thx, I knew it was wrong, just not where 2011-10-20T15:00:12 guys how do u debug ur bot? 2011-10-20T15:00:33 So you decided to joke like a Dr. Brennan :P 2011-10-20T15:00:44 ant___: you can try to print to stderr first 2011-10-20T15:01:00 UncleVasya: Who is Dr. Brennan? 2011-10-20T15:01:14 this is hard, colorblindness sucks :( 2011-10-20T15:01:38 http://www.maxrev.de/oh-rly-bild-106941.htm 2011-10-20T15:01:56 ant___: I do logging in the text file (like many people here). 2011-10-20T15:02:02 is there a way to debug using breakpoints in netbeans, now i only can compile in it 2011-10-20T15:02:07 http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6P8tkSXTmWg/TicbBsIhtBI/AAAAAAAAAB8/U5q7YkxVG0A/s1600/ya-srsly001.jpg 2011-10-20T15:02:08 *** gr_wip has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T15:02:21 McLeopold, mleise: I think McLeopold's colors are better overall than the current set. (I'm R-G color blind BTW), except the darkets red is a bit hard to see against the brown background of the land spaces. 2011-10-20T15:02:35 Some smart guys can debug right from their IDE in the step-mode but I can't. 2011-10-20T15:02:44 Talking about color blindness 2011-10-20T15:02:45 logging into file is annoying 2011-10-20T15:02:59 My friend came to school with a pink pencil that attracted some attention 2011-10-20T15:03:03 ChrisH_: oh good then. I didn't expect that :) 2011-10-20T15:03:09 Turns out he bought thinking it was gray 2011-10-20T15:03:12 hmmmm any game theorists here? 2011-10-20T15:03:24 bought it* 2011-10-20T15:03:26 McLeopold: I'd like to see a sample image with the ants more interspersed though, cause that's when it gets anoying. 2011-10-20T15:03:28 nevermind 2011-10-20T15:03:29 Siretu: lol 2011-10-20T15:04:14 *** Laie has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-20T15:04:40 Back to studying for boring stuff. 2011-10-20T15:04:46 Can't wait for the weekend 2011-10-20T15:04:52 No more thing to study for then 2011-10-20T15:05:02 That means I can focus full-time on funny stuff 2011-10-20T15:05:02 *** ak0s has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-10-20T15:05:24 Unfortunately/fortunately I have a lot of funny stuff to do 2011-10-20T15:05:32 *** kronos has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T15:05:37 mleise: This is very smart person but her jokes are very hard to understand because they are based on the very deep science knowledge. 2011-10-20T15:05:41 which means I cant devote as much time as I want to all the funny stuff 2011-10-20T15:06:02 ChrisH_: I'm getting it to look getter, I think 2011-10-20T15:06:08 better 2011-10-20T15:07:02 moving the ant doesnt change tile's state to occupied, so can kill ants moving into one unoccupied tile same turn, thats nasty 2011-10-20T15:07:38 McLeopold: Yes, I think you are making progress. I had issues with the colors a few weeks ago, and mleise and I chatted and he made some improvements, but I still have problems tellins some of the colors apart when they are all mixed together rather than in big clumps like your sample. 2011-10-20T15:07:40 need double check, any thoughts to avoid that? 2011-10-20T15:08:02 Isn't there a fix for it in the start of the ant tutorial? 2011-10-20T15:08:07 The fix was for python though 2011-10-20T15:08:10 using a dictionary 2011-10-20T15:08:18 Assuming I understood your issue 2011-10-20T15:08:55 Basically, save where you're ordering your ants to move and don't move an ant to to a tile that another ant is already going to move to next turn 2011-10-20T15:09:05 dont know just found my ants diying out themselves 2011-10-20T15:09:06 *** FredFlintstoner has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T15:09:14 Good luck with the opening everyone... time for bed on this side of the globe. 2011-10-20T15:09:17 im using java package 2011-10-20T15:10:09 *** ash0d has left #aichallenge 2011-10-20T15:10:11 Siretu, its what i calldouble check 2011-10-20T15:11:05 mcstar: ChrisH_: http://imgur.com/YFa7W 2011-10-20T15:11:06 How does the rankings work? Should I submit the AI as soon as I have something basic that works and then update is as I keep working OR should I submit it first when I have something that I'm proud of 2011-10-20T15:11:22 ChrisH_: I have trouble distinguishing some of the colors too, and I'm not even colorblind :( 2011-10-20T15:11:46 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T15:11:52 Siretu: the ranking algorithm can handle your AI getting better, just submit early and often 2011-10-20T15:12:09 Okay 2011-10-20T15:12:27 McLeopold: What am I looking for in that image? 2011-10-20T15:12:31 Siretu: every new submission is evaluated separately from the previous 2011-10-20T15:12:31 Siretu: the ranking algorithm is (I believe) very close to what's used on Xbox Live for ranking human players against each other 2011-10-20T15:12:37 Siretu submit at any time u want, dont think it matters much, cz ur rating is only how u do vs others 2011-10-20T15:12:41 or that, HEH 2011-10-20T15:12:41 McLeopold: i can see from IR to UV distinguishing 16 million colors 2011-10-20T15:13:11 okay 2011-10-20T15:13:12 ChrisH_: the boxes will be the ant colors, the surrounding colors are water, food, land, and the bottom is green 2011-10-20T15:13:24 mcstar: I thought mleise said you were blind? 2011-10-20T15:13:31 i dont think so 2011-10-20T15:13:35 but otherwise i like them 2011-10-20T15:14:02 lol 2011-10-20T15:14:05 blind 2011-10-20T15:14:12 McLeopold: Ok, the problem with me looking at that image is that when the boxes are that big I can see the differences a lot more easily than when they are little circles (even at full screen 1600x1200). 2011-10-20T15:14:29 maybe textured circles? 2011-10-20T15:14:32 is there an easy way to visualize a map locally? 2011-10-20T15:14:40 oops, stocha 2011-10-20T15:14:55 yep he is 2011-10-20T15:15:08 mcstar: I get you two mixed up because your both very opinionated :) 2011-10-20T15:15:11 but only colorblind, not "blind" as you said 2011-10-20T15:15:12 McLeopold: Example, I can tell red and green apart if it is a grass field next to a field of red flowers, but I have trouble seeing a single red flower in the middle of a big grass field. 2011-10-20T15:15:39 ChrisH_: I'll try another screen shot with these colors, and try to mix up the ants some 2011-10-20T15:15:43 i dont have "both" 2011-10-20T15:15:44 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T15:15:48 but otherwise you are correct 2011-10-20T15:15:55 @launcheta 2011-10-20T15:15:55 8 hours, 44 minutes, and 5 seconds 2011-10-20T15:16:10 McLeopold: Ok, that will be the best way for me to provide feedback. 2011-10-20T15:16:27 *** the-mgt has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T15:16:30 *** mindeavor has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T15:16:42 McLeopold: I was thinking of making fog of war show per-player explored regions as well, would that be okay with you? 2011-10-20T15:16:50 *** lrh9 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T15:17:03 *** chmielu has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T15:17:27 Anybody knows when registration will be open? 2011-10-20T15:17:41 *** sic has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T15:17:55 Sometime today. 2011-10-20T15:17:56 say "@topic" and you will be enlightened 2011-10-20T15:18:13 @topic 2011-10-20T15:18:13 chmielu: AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge || Submissions and signups for the beta have closed. They will reopen when the contest starts later today (Oct 20). Please be patient while we make the final touches. 2011-10-20T15:19:14 Zannick: pls expand the topic with a hint that @topic will give a hint to he contest's parameters 2011-10-20T15:20:07 parameters as in a link to the game spec? 2011-10-20T15:20:33 all @topic does is echo the topic 2011-10-20T15:21:14 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Zannick 2011-10-20T15:21:19 hm 2011-10-20T15:21:36 *** FredFlintstoner has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T15:22:11 add a hint to the topic, that references itself, so someone, who read the topic, will know that he is able to read the topic with @topic 2011-10-20T15:22:29 *** Zannick changes topic to "AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge || About the game (Ants): http://aichallenge.org/problem_description.php http://aichallenge.org/specification.php || Submissions and signups will reopen when the contest starts later today (Oct 20). Please be patient while w" 2011-10-20T15:22:43 *** Zannick changes topic to "AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge || About the game (Ants): http://aichallenge.org/problem_description.php http://aichallenge.org/specification.php || Submissions and signups will reopen when the contest starts later today (Oct 20)." 2011-10-20T15:23:02 so many links 2011-10-20T15:23:38 *** Zannick changes topic to "AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge || About the game (Ants): http://aichallenge.org/problem_description.php || Submissions and signups will reopen when the contest starts later today (Oct 20)." 2011-10-20T15:24:09 *** Zannick sets mode: -o Zannick 2011-10-20T15:25:06 *** ajhager has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T15:27:23 *** aeter has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T15:27:57 *** g0llum has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-20T15:28:29 I guess the haskell version won't be updated to the latest platform version? 2011-10-20T15:29:07 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC () 2011-10-20T15:30:09 ChrisH_: http://imgur.com/ymwDS 2011-10-20T15:30:53 *** amstan_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T15:30:53 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan_ 2011-10-20T15:31:07 rmmh: can you explain more? 2011-10-20T15:31:33 McLeopold: like in a usual RTS game, you see black where you have never been and gray for areas explored 2011-10-20T15:32:02 oh, that sounds cool 2011-10-20T15:32:07 ideally the items in the grayed out areals stay until you visit them again and get an update 2011-10-20T15:32:19 hello 2011-10-20T15:32:21 *** amstan_ is now known as amstan 2011-10-20T15:32:22 mleise: okay, I'm going to commit the color stuff now 2011-10-20T15:32:26 *** ChrisH__ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T15:32:29 McLeopold: the yellow and orange are most difficult to tell apart, and the darkest red blends into the land color a little too much. 2011-10-20T15:32:30 fingers crossed ;) 2011-10-20T15:32:39 I put some functions in const.js, which I figure you can refactor later :) 2011-10-20T15:32:53 put them in util 2011-10-20T15:32:59 if they are utility function 2011-10-20T15:33:21 does const.js come first? will INT_TO_HEX be defined for me? 2011-10-20T15:33:31 *** gr_wip has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T15:33:32 *** Odjuret has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T15:33:32 *** Sunshowers_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T15:33:33 yes 2011-10-20T15:33:40 it's too bad we lose our nice vibrant player colors 2011-10-20T15:34:06 wait what? we get crappier colours? 2011-10-20T15:34:25 "crappier than they aleady are?" hehe 2011-10-20T15:34:28 make it a setting! 2011-10-20T15:34:29 *** skyramp has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T15:34:30 *** loverl has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T15:34:58 *** Siretu has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T15:34:59 *** Slaftos has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T15:35:11 *** Fluxid has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T15:35:25 *** dvladim has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-20T15:35:28 *** ChrisH_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T15:35:28 *** svolkov has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T15:36:06 amstan: How can I change my screen name once I'm logged in to IRC (I use web client)? 2011-10-20T15:36:17 ChrisH__: /nick something 2011-10-20T15:36:36 *** DataWraith has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T15:36:44 *** siretu has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T15:36:45 *** ChrisH__ is now known as ChrisH_ 2011-10-20T15:36:47 hi, i get an error when compilling visualizer: "package netscape.javascript does not exist". i try to set classpath to plugin.jar but it doesn't help (my last time with java was few years ago) 2011-10-20T15:36:59 amstan: thx 2011-10-20T15:37:08 running "ant jar", should i paste logs or something? 2011-10-20T15:37:25 Talking about java, is anyone here using eclipse for this? 2011-10-20T15:37:41 Fluxid: you need to set the plugin.jar path and the rest should work 2011-10-20T15:38:58 Fluxid: "java.plugin: /opt/icedtea6-web-bin/share/icedtea-web/plugin.jar" as an example that works for me (this is a line in local.properties) 2011-10-20T15:39:15 mleise: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/495734/ 2011-10-20T15:39:48 *** chmielu has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T15:39:58 *** choas has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T15:40:06 Fluxid: better set the java.plugin definition for ant (either on the command line or in local.properties) 2011-10-20T15:40:11 ah, default.properties has ${java.home}/lib/plugin.jar 2011-10-20T15:40:47 boom, worked! 2011-10-20T15:40:50 mleise: thanks 2011-10-20T15:41:34 *** Slaftos has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T15:43:30 aichallenge: McLeopold * rba58a3d / (5 files in 3 dirs): update to color scheme - http://git.io/oE8Krg 2011-10-20T15:47:53 *** Sunshowers has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T15:48:02 mleise: oh crap, I just broke the website... 2011-10-20T15:48:06 McLeopold: now the visualizer doesn't support old replays with up to 26 players any more 2011-10-20T15:48:22 let me see 2011-10-20T15:48:25 mleise: we never had more than 8 2011-10-20T15:48:31 *** rinigan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T15:48:47 well, some 9 and 10 2011-10-20T15:49:22 It works for me. Yeah right, there were no maps with more than 10 players anyway. I could as well fix the replay parser to not allow player numbers above 10 2011-10-20T15:49:26 *** cirno_the_greate has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T15:49:56 *** goofy_ant has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T15:50:12 *** rinigan has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T15:50:57 *** upgrayedd is now known as upgrayeddd 2011-10-20T15:51:03 oops undefined variable colormaps. that was why i asked if it still works with the user variable 2011-10-20T15:52:05 McLeopold: If "user" is given on the URL that user is will get assigned the first color in the array, so you always see yourself as 'green' for example. 2011-10-20T15:52:25 In the Replay class you can find it as the parameter 'swapUser' 2011-10-20T15:55:57 what's with game replays in the beta? ReferenceError keeps popping up, are the game records gone already due to upcoming reset at start? 2011-10-20T15:56:09 visualizer should have "simant mode" where it renders ants as red/black, food as little peas, water as rocks... ;) 2011-10-20T15:56:14 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2011-10-20T15:56:23 mleise: I tried to change it so there was a special color for the current, rather than swapping 2011-10-20T15:57:17 rmmh: http://marco-leise.homedns.org/antgui/v3/ 2011-10-20T15:58:08 haha 2011-10-20T15:58:59 have you played simant? 2011-10-20T15:59:04 mleise: those look liek termites, but i still like them, that theme is great 2011-10-20T15:59:22 rmmh: also http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/32/bildschirmfotoen.png/ , no but ive seen videos on youtube 2011-10-20T15:59:27 *** cirno_the_greate has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T16:00:19 right, I was more going for 8-bit nostalgia :) 2011-10-20T16:00:31 *** ztfw has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-20T16:00:34 *** sdfs has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:02:19 *** cirno_the_greate has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:02:32 woah colors 2011-10-20T16:02:58 mcstar: dark red is basically invisible 2011-10-20T16:03:03 i love wikipedia, now i know why const in& is important 2011-10-20T16:03:10 t* 2011-10-20T16:03:36 rmmh: ? that looks great 2011-10-20T16:03:51 mleise: did you write it? i mean why doesnt the visualizer look like that? 2011-10-20T16:03:53 :) 2011-10-20T16:03:58 Ugh. Got a bug in my custom package. Can't seem to issue orders. 2011-10-20T16:03:59 *** ant___ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T16:03:59 err sorry 2011-10-20T16:04:13 McLeopold: the dark red color is basically invisible since there's no contrast with the dirt 2011-10-20T16:06:00 *** xunie-laptop has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-20T16:06:35 McLeopold: I think you'd get better results if the dirt were either light or dark, rather than middling 2011-10-20T16:06:46 mcstar: The visualier doesn't look like in the picture because it was ass slow to render the map like that. 2011-10-20T16:07:05 McLeopold, you wrote the Python starter package? 2011-10-20T16:07:21 seems fast 2011-10-20T16:07:33 it's slow 2011-10-20T16:07:37 is it because there are few tiles there? 2011-10-20T16:07:51 right :) 2011-10-20T16:08:22 andi didn't implement real wrapping, zooming, panning and the like 2011-10-20T16:08:28 32x32 2011-10-20T16:10:14 *** turdferguson has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:10:35 *** xar0l has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:12:50 *** Mikevilly has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:12:58 Cheers everyone 2011-10-20T16:13:32 * avdg rewrote his js engine and think he would publish his template version 2011-10-20T16:14:52 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:16:59 *** perryh has quit IRC (Quit: perryh) 2011-10-20T16:19:18 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2011-10-20T16:23:01 McLeopold: I think the dirt color is a bit too bright at the moment, and the darkest red ant color is too dark, IMHO. 2011-10-20T16:23:03 hoho, i've conquered haskell io monad and random number generator, now my ants can randomly walk. Time to implement collision detect system. 2011-10-20T16:23:21 ChrisH_: okay, noted 2011-10-20T16:23:40 is there any public haskell code for this? 2011-10-20T16:23:42 *** skyramp has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:24:24 did anyone write python bot from scratch? 2011-10-20T16:24:32 not using starting pack? 2011-10-20T16:24:38 *** randll has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:24:38 jix_: yes, there is haskell template on github 2011-10-20T16:24:52 https://github.com/qacek/ants-haskell 2011-10-20T16:24:59 *** ololo has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:25:30 Fluxid, I studied the implementation enough to write one. What's up? 2011-10-20T16:25:36 *** Arukim has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T16:25:51 jix_: https://github.com/qacek/ants-haskell 2011-10-20T16:26:04 jix_: sorry that took so long, I am still familiarizing myself with the source tree 2011-10-20T16:26:13 *** MrBond has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:26:25 @topic 2011-10-20T16:26:25 MrBond: AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge || About the game (Ants): http://aichallenge.org/problem_description.php || Submissions and signups will reopen when the contest starts later today (Oct 20). 2011-10-20T16:26:25 lrh9: nothing really, just wondered 2011-10-20T16:26:32 jix_: amstan said yesterday about some issues with it, but it looks fine to me atm 2011-10-20T16:26:58 Fluxid: well, there is no reason to start from scratch, if starter pack present 2011-10-20T16:26:59 cirno_the_greate: there's no hills 2011-10-20T16:27:07 oops 2011-10-20T16:27:08 yep 2011-10-20T16:27:15 When the contest will begin? 0:26am oct 21 here :P 2011-10-20T16:27:22 @launcheta 2011-10-20T16:27:22 7 hours, 32 minutes, and 38 seconds 2011-10-20T16:27:30 ty! :P 2011-10-20T16:28:11 help 2011-10-20T16:28:13 need help 2011-10-20T16:28:17 your welcome.. Mr. Bond... 2011-10-20T16:28:25 his welcome. 2011-10-20T16:28:35 mleise: so you are good with c++? 2011-10-20T16:28:39 cirno_the_greate: i'm not happy with starter... 2011-10-20T16:28:54 *** CodeBlock has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:29:15 Fluxid, what's wrong? 2011-10-20T16:29:26 *** nuvw has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:29:29 Fluxid: make an issue on github 2011-10-20T16:29:53 amstan: qacek or herrmann aware about that? Anyway, i could fix it later, when i'll get my hands to hill razing. 2011-10-20T16:30:03 cirno_the_greate: idk 2011-10-20T16:30:28 mleise: 2011-10-20T16:31:15 ok, maybe i'll go with starter. anyway, turntime means i have X mseconds to complete turn or i'll timeout? how much usually it is? one second as in spec? 2011-10-20T16:32:01 *** Mikevilly has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T16:32:02 *** nuvw has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T16:32:15 *** ai_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:32:46 amstan: are you good with c++? 2011-10-20T16:32:52 mcstar: depends 2011-10-20T16:33:01 mcstar: what's your question? 2011-10-20T16:33:07 *** diskonnect has quit IRC (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) 2011-10-20T16:33:24 hi 2011-10-20T16:33:49 when can i upload my code? 2011-10-20T16:33:52 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-10-20T16:33:59 @launcheta 2011-10-20T16:33:59 7 hours, 26 minutes, and 1 second 2011-10-20T16:34:30 time zones... 2011-10-20T16:34:33 * cirno_the_greate setting alarm at 8am :p 2011-10-20T16:34:37 *** ajhager has quit IRC (Quit: ajhager) 2011-10-20T16:35:02 *** mindeavor has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-10-20T16:35:11 aichallenge: Alexandru Stan * rfa5a713 / website/menu.php : relinked forums to be relative - http://git.io/WiDd6w 2011-10-20T16:36:19 *** Palmik has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-20T16:36:28 https://github.com/avdg/node-aichallenge (I didn't implemented all basic features yet) 2011-10-20T16:37:26 avdg: if this is only your initial commit? can you fork the whole thing? 2011-10-20T16:37:30 it's easier to merge later 2011-10-20T16:37:33 better than submodules 2011-10-20T16:38:00 *** n00b__ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:38:15 will do it soon, I think I will implement some more features before doing that 2011-10-20T16:38:19 Agh. My ant is not moving off the hill. 2011-10-20T16:38:37 *** ai_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T16:39:16 *** svolkov has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:39:30 *** davidjliu has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:41:09 *** mindeavor has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:42:08 *** platoon has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:42:15 Hi all 2011-10-20T16:42:24 mcstar: I'm not a C++ expert, no. But maybe I can answer a question. 2011-10-20T16:42:44 mleise: too late, amstan is helping me 2011-10-20T16:42:51 if he fails, youre next 2011-10-20T16:42:57 can someone tell me, how to `vizualize` my bot if i write him in java ? 2011-10-20T16:42:57 mcstar: that's fine, just post it here 2011-10-20T16:43:04 nah 2011-10-20T16:43:09 mcstar: i have to move the forums 2011-10-20T16:43:17 k 2011-10-20T16:43:27 so I was trying earlier today to show somebody the old planetwars contest, but it seems to have disappeared... 2011-10-20T16:43:36 is it ever coming back? 2011-10-20T16:43:42 davidjliu: i'll get it back online in like 2 weeks 2011-10-20T16:43:54 davidjliu: sorry about that 2011-10-20T16:43:59 haha, okay 2011-10-20T16:44:05 *** ololo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T16:44:43 davidjliu: if you go in your hosts file, and point ai-contest.com to 207.150.202.47 you can have it back 2011-10-20T16:44:43 *** n00b__ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T16:45:01 *** doctor_eyebrows has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:45:16 *** iris1 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:45:24 *** GreenTea has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:45:44 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:45:48 aaaahhh technology. um ok I'll give it a shot 2011-10-20T16:45:59 amstan: if there was some way to zip up the old contests to be (mostly) static for archival that would be nice 2011-10-20T16:46:13 rmmh: yeah, it's complicated 2011-10-20T16:46:37 difficult to do with sites backed by a database 2011-10-20T16:46:54 how densely here now 2011-10-20T16:47:03 interesting. why.. 2011-10-20T16:47:20 amstan: eta: 10 minutes for the video 2011-10-20T16:47:30 aarossig: k 2011-10-20T16:47:30 amstan: everything went better than expected :) 2011-10-20T16:47:42 aarossig: is the hill capture still in sync? 2011-10-20T16:47:45 amstan: the desk is all clear too 2011-10-20T16:47:49 aarossig: and did you get the fadeout? 2011-10-20T16:47:58 *** aradax has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:48:00 amstan: the word google is about 100ms 2011-10-20T16:48:09 amstan: and yes, the fadeout is still there 2011-10-20T16:48:14 oh 2011-10-20T16:48:16 right 2011-10-20T16:48:18 lol 2011-10-20T16:48:19 you just edited it out 2011-10-20T16:48:23 didn't rerecord 2011-10-20T16:48:33 guys, will registration will be available soon? 2011-10-20T16:48:41 @launcheta 2011-10-20T16:48:41 7 hours, 11 minutes, and 19 seconds 2011-10-20T16:48:46 yeah, I used audacity -- they should just import audacity into pitivi lol 2011-10-20T16:49:01 make contestbot /notice people with @launcheta when they join the channel ;) 2011-10-20T16:49:02 @launcheta 2011-10-20T16:49:02 7 hours, 10 minutes, and 58 seconds 2011-10-20T16:49:10 ^^ 2011-10-20T16:49:15 rmmh: if you can tell me how: 2011-10-20T16:49:15 rmmh: whoa -- mind=blown 2011-10-20T16:49:17 @botdoc 2011-10-20T16:49:19 amstan: botdoc could be (#1) http://ubottu.com/stdin/supydocs/plugins/, or (#2) http://supybook.fealdia.org/devel/, or (#3) http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/gribble/index.php?title=Supybot_Resources. 2011-10-20T16:49:57 *** aradax has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T16:50:22 *** itelichko_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T16:50:23 rmmh: amstan: may be just write utc time in motd? 2011-10-20T16:50:30 *** Larose has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-10-20T16:50:53 or maybe put the "Signups will reopen later today (Oct 20)" first in the topic? 2011-10-20T16:51:25 people will ask anyway 2011-10-20T16:51:33 rmmh: it is in the topic 2011-10-20T16:51:40 ah, but it's not the first thing 2011-10-20T16:51:44 because it's Oct 21 for me, for example 2011-10-20T16:51:55 already 2011-10-20T16:51:58 cirno_the_greate: good call, we should so something like that 2011-10-20T16:52:06 the error is in "error" 2011-10-20T16:52:16 amstan: amstan, put the timezone in the topic 2011-10-20T16:52:53 *** corwal has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:53:03 @add [until 17:00] "schedule add launcheta 1900 launcheta" 2011-10-20T16:53:03 amstan: Error: The command "add" is available in the Alias, BadWords, Dunno, Herald, News, Quote, RSS, Scheduler, Success, Todo, and Topic plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "add". 2011-10-20T16:53:03 *** aiguy has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:53:10 @scheduler add [until 17:00] "scheduler add launcheta 1900 launcheta" 2011-10-20T16:53:10 amstan: Yep. Event #1 added. 2011-10-20T16:54:44 *** EspenG has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:55:31 *** ckennelly has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:56:38 *** robbs has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:56:43 @launcheta 2011-10-20T16:56:43 Launch ETA 7 hours, 3 minutes, and 17 seconds 2011-10-20T16:56:45 *** davidjliu has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T16:56:57 *** robbs has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T16:57:38 *** corwal has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T16:58:22 *** aeter has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-10-20T16:58:28 *** ajhager has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T16:58:53 *** doctor_eyebrows has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T16:59:45 *** Sunshowers has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T16:59:48 Launch Video 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9PMN0nBx8Y 2011-10-20T17:00:00 amstan: Error: 'launcheta' is not a valid positive integer. 2011-10-20T17:00:14 Launch Video 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGijmGbQxWM 2011-10-20T17:00:18 @scheduler add launcheta 1900 launcheta 2011-10-20T17:00:18 amstan: Error: 'launcheta' is not a valid positive integer. 2011-10-20T17:00:24 @scheduler add launcheta 1900 [launcheta] 2011-10-20T17:00:24 amstan: Error: 'launcheta' is not a valid positive integer. 2011-10-20T17:00:38 remove the first launcheta? 2011-10-20T17:00:49 @scheduler repeat launcheta 1900 [launcheta] 2011-10-20T17:00:50 amstan: I'm sorry Dave, err amstan; I cannot 'Launch'. 2011-10-20T17:00:51 @scheduler add 2011-10-20T17:00:51 Zannick: (scheduler add ) -- Schedules the command string to run seconds in the future. For example, 'scheduler add [seconds 30m] "echo [cpu]"' will schedule the command "cpu" to be sent to the channel the schedule add command was given in (with no prefixed nick, a consequence of using echo). Do pay attention to the quotes in that example. 2011-10-20T17:01:25 well, i wanted to make it repeat starting with the exact hour, but failed 2011-10-20T17:01:29 anyone else wants to do this? 2011-10-20T17:01:40 *** doctor_eyebrows has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T17:02:02 @scheduler repeat 2011-10-20T17:02:02 Zannick: (scheduler repeat ) -- Schedules the command to run every seconds, starting now (i.e., the command runs now, and every seconds thereafter). is a name by which the command can be unscheduled. 2011-10-20T17:02:08 cool video.. 2011-10-20T17:03:25 *** sdfs has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T17:03:47 *** tncardoso has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T17:04:01 *** chris___0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T17:04:48 *** ltriant has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T17:05:00 @scheduler add [seconds 55m] 'scheduler repeat launcheta_r 3600 "launcheta"' 2011-10-20T17:05:00 Zannick: Yes master! Event #2 added. 2011-10-20T17:05:26 amstan: that should, in 55 minutes, start repeating launcheta every hour 2011-10-20T17:06:26 *** Naktibalda has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T17:06:46 *** chris__0076 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-10-20T17:06:56 my bot writes to stderr; is there any idiomatic way to create log file within play_one_game.sh launcher? 2011-10-20T17:07:47 *** iuhiuh has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T17:07:57 cirno_the_greate: append -E (inside or outside play_one_game) 2011-10-20T17:08:01 *** iuhiuh has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T17:08:40 *** aiguy has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T17:10:29 *** shane_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T17:11:35 *** platoon has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T17:12:26 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T17:13:11 mleise: thanks alot 2011-10-20T17:13:30 mleise, thank you so much 2011-10-20T17:13:59 *** skyramp has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T17:14:03 been trying to get error text for the past hour now 2011-10-20T17:16:04 Run playgame.py without parameters to see the list of options! :) 2011-10-20T17:16:41 *** Slaftos has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T17:16:50 *** larrydag has left #aichallenge 2011-10-20T17:18:24 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-20T17:18:35 *** erenrich has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T17:18:52 on the visual game, what is the triangle on the line that says # of ants mean? It's title hive 2011-10-20T17:18:53 is anyone working on a scala port? 2011-10-20T17:19:10 titled* 2011-10-20T17:19:26 alternatively, what exactly are we submitting for the competition? 2011-10-20T17:21:02 *** itelichko has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T17:21:13 *** tjhgjgjgy has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T17:21:27 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T17:21:28 *** Coderik has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T17:21:40 shane_: colored triangles means a hive of that color was destroyed 2011-10-20T17:21:56 *** ttt has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T17:22:35 aichallenge: McLeopold * ree261c3 / ants/visualizer/js/Replay.js : fix variable name - http://git.io/agpOLw 2011-10-20T17:23:14 ckennelly: all the code needed to build and run your bot 2011-10-20T17:23:25 will it be possible to sign up eventually? 2011-10-20T17:23:35 @launcheta 2011-10-20T17:23:35 Launch ETA 6 hours, 36 minutes, and 25 seconds 2011-10-20T17:24:31 ohh sweet 2011-10-20T17:24:37 Zannick: different timezone 2011-10-20T17:24:50 erm? 2011-10-20T17:24:52 Zannick: thought that already opened and closed 2011-10-20T17:25:15 oh, cause it's oct 21 for you? 2011-10-20T17:25:30 yeah, don't worry, it'll open 2011-10-20T17:25:48 *** ttt has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T17:25:49 sign ups are still closed? 2011-10-20T17:25:51 the contest will run until dec, and it's not necessary to sign up immediately on the first day 2011-10-20T17:26:11 Z: cool! 2011-10-20T17:27:02 Z: is your ranking based on how many games you win, only the calibre of bots you beat, or a combination? 2011-10-20T17:27:22 rmmh: I think the colored triangle labeled hive that shane_ is referring to is the number of ants in the hive that are waiting to emerge. 2011-10-20T17:27:42 TankEnMate: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/trueskill/ 2011-10-20T17:27:56 *** robertorocky has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T17:27:57 TankEnMate: the ranking algorithm is called "trueskill" and uses basically everyone's records against each other to determine rank 2011-10-20T17:28:05 mleise: okay, my colors suck, but I want to keep the hsl and color rotation logic 2011-10-20T17:29:10 *g* I don't mind. If someone complains, it was you :) . 2011-10-20T17:29:21 *** aeter has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T17:29:26 rmmh: I think you misunderstood shane_ . Not the triangles on the timeline. Above the timeline there's a part that says "# of ants" that displays the number of ants each player has with a colorful bar in their color(bigger bar means more ants), but to the right of all the players' bars there's sometimes a triangle with a number and the text "hive" 2011-10-20T17:29:54 I see 2011-10-20T17:29:57 In game #39278, this triangle gets very stretched out 2011-10-20T17:30:07 and the number on it going up all the way to 940 2011-10-20T17:30:25 logarithmic scales for the sparklines and that would be nice 2011-10-20T17:30:38 siretu: See my comment ^^^ for an explanation. 2011-10-20T17:30:50 Ah 2011-10-20T17:30:51 missed that 2011-10-20T17:30:55 i see white color for player in replays... it;s not a good idea 2011-10-20T17:30:57 That was what I was thinking as well 2011-10-20T17:31:06 rmmh: thanks 2011-10-20T17:31:06 i can't see a graph now :| 2011-10-20T17:31:12 *** fred_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T17:31:37 McLeopold: lol, the mob gets angry 2011-10-20T17:31:38 *** fred_ is now known as Guest13264 2011-10-20T17:32:20 *** ChrisH_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T17:32:31 amstan: User error -- Replace user. 2011-10-20T17:32:38 *** AndreyATC has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T17:33:03 @scheduler 2011-10-20T17:33:04 Zannick: I do not know about 'scheduler', but I do know about these similar topics: 'scheduler_test' 2011-10-20T17:33:10 @scheduler remove 2011-10-20T17:33:10 Zannick: (scheduler remove ) -- Removes the event scheduled with id from the schedule. 2011-10-20T17:33:14 @scheduler remove 1 2011-10-20T17:33:14 Zannick: Error: Invalid event id. 2011-10-20T17:33:21 @scheduler list 2011-10-20T17:33:21 Zannick: 2: "'scheduler repeat launcheta_r 3600 launcheta '" and launcheta: "Launch ETA 6 hours, 59 minutes, and 11 seconds" 2011-10-20T17:34:00 @scheduler remove launcheta 2011-10-20T17:34:00 Zannick: Yes master! 2011-10-20T17:34:07 @scheduler list 2011-10-20T17:34:07 Zannick: 2: "'scheduler repeat launcheta_r 3600 launcheta '" 2011-10-20T17:34:14 mkay 2011-10-20T17:35:45 *** reiners has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T17:35:49 may ask what happened here? http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=39324&user=426 why ants of same user anihilated each other? 2011-10-20T17:36:19 Fluxid, it's a rule. If your ants collide they die. 2011-10-20T17:36:27 ah 2011-10-20T17:36:37 so both ants wanted to go t the same tile? 2011-10-20T17:36:46 Does the sideways triangle mean "Player has this many ants sitting in his hives currently"? 2011-10-20T17:36:48 Yes. They attempted to occupy the same tile. 2011-10-20T17:37:00 Fluxid: where does the annihlation happen? 2011-10-20T17:37:06 When does the contest open today? 2011-10-20T17:37:07 but they can switch places in one turn? 2011-10-20T17:37:16 shane_: yeah, it's how many ants are queued up to come out of hives 2011-10-20T17:37:20 hm, i'm worried that scheduler command won't work cause of those quotes 2011-10-20T17:37:46 rmmh: 2nds and 3rds ants just disappear at the end 2011-10-20T17:37:47 rmmh: awesome got it all figured out, thanks again 2011-10-20T17:38:02 oh right 2011-10-20T17:38:08 Fluxid, I don't know. 2011-10-20T17:38:33 it's funny how bot which did nothing but group ants in one place won 2011-10-20T17:38:44 siretu: got it figured out, thanks 2011-10-20T17:39:22 @scheduler add [seconds 1m] "scheduler repeat launcheta_r2 3600 launcheta" 2011-10-20T17:39:22 Zannick: OK Event #3 added. 2011-10-20T17:39:28 is the simulator available for download yet? 2011-10-20T17:39:40 *** Mickael_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T17:39:41 yes 2011-10-20T17:39:55 as part of the starter kits? 2011-10-20T17:40:04 Knekkebjoern: look on the page "Tools" 2011-10-20T17:40:16 http://aichallenge.org/using_the_tools.php 2011-10-20T17:40:23 Launch ETA 6 hours, 19 minutes, and 37 seconds 2011-10-20T17:40:28 how do you download replays from the site? I'm not seeing any links 2011-10-20T17:40:28 aha, thanks 2011-10-20T17:40:30 * Knekkebjoern is a tool 2011-10-20T17:40:33 js simulator works on my phone, not bad :) 2011-10-20T17:40:34 @scheduler remove launcheta_r2 2011-10-20T17:40:34 Zannick: Aye, aye, sir 2011-10-20T17:40:38 *** siretu has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T17:40:40 @scheduler list 2011-10-20T17:40:40 Zannick: 2: "'scheduler repeat launcheta_r 3600 launcheta '" 2011-10-20T17:40:46 @scheduler remove 2 2011-10-20T17:40:46 Zannick: Ready to serve, my lord. 2011-10-20T17:40:51 *** reiners has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T17:41:00 @scheduler add [seconds 19m] "scheduler repeat launcheta_r2 3600 launcheta" 2011-10-20T17:41:00 Zannick: Yes master! Event #4 added. 2011-10-20T17:41:13 @scheduler list 2011-10-20T17:41:13 Zannick: 4: "scheduler repeat launcheta_r2 3600 launcheta" 2011-10-20T17:41:34 okay, done with the meddling now 2011-10-20T17:42:36 *** someone2013 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T17:42:42 *** Xokker has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T17:42:49 hey! 2011-10-20T17:42:57 *** someone2013 has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T17:43:02 Hi ! I would like to sign up because i got this : "Account Creation Closed". Does anyone know if it will open (again) soon ? 2011-10-20T17:43:08 can you help me with attacking? 2011-10-20T17:43:10 s/because/but/g 2011-10-20T17:43:15 *** Naktibalda has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 7.0.1/20111008085652]) 2011-10-20T17:43:47 Mickael_: @launcheta 2011-10-20T17:43:53 there is no info about attacking ants on aichallenge.org 2011-10-20T17:43:56 @launcheta 2011-10-20T17:43:56 Launch ETA 6 hours, 16 minutes, and 4 seconds 2011-10-20T17:44:08 oh ! thx ! 2011-10-20T17:45:03 Xokker: i suggest when ants within attack radius they auto attack 2011-10-20T17:45:20 nope 2011-10-20T17:45:25 *** Mickael_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T17:45:33 that doesn-t work 2011-10-20T17:46:07 any ideas, guys? 2011-10-20T17:46:22 can i compile the cpp starter pack with the visual studio? 2011-10-20T17:46:52 *** Sunshowers has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T17:46:55 *** turdferguson has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T17:46:59 Xokker: yes, when ants get within attack radius of each other they will attack. See the battle resolution information for details 2011-10-20T17:47:05 and forum is down, so it can't help me 2011-10-20T17:47:17 http://aichallenge.org/specification.php#Battle-Resolution 2011-10-20T17:47:54 janzert: thank you very much! 2011-10-20T17:48:38 cirno_the_greate: you were right) 2011-10-20T17:51:22 *** mceier has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2011-10-20T17:55:40 what JVM is this going to run under? 2011-10-20T17:55:54 *** DataWraith has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T17:56:51 *** FishSpeaker has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T17:56:53 ckennelly: icedtea-6 2011-10-20T17:56:53 *** Coderik has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T17:57:03 mleise: thanks. 2011-10-20T17:57:33 *** goofy_ant has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T17:58:18 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-20T17:58:25 *** the-mgt has quit IRC (Quit: Pogodan - http://pogodan.com) 2011-10-20T17:58:58 *** sadlkfdsf has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T17:59:07 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC () 2011-10-20T17:59:35 in linux tools, there is probably old ants.py in submission_test folder 2011-10-20T18:00:01 Launch ETA 5 hours, 59 minutes, and 59 seconds 2011-10-20T18:01:47 mleise: do you know the param it'll be run w/? 2011-10-20T18:01:54 also any chance of the new version of icedtea? 2011-10-20T18:02:15 it should make some dynamic langs faster iirc 2011-10-20T18:02:48 erenrich: nope 2011-10-20T18:02:59 *** rowfur has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-20T18:03:09 but ask McLeopold or janzert about this 2011-10-20T18:03:19 do we care about ie6? 2011-10-20T18:03:24 no 2011-10-20T18:03:29 no 2011-10-20T18:03:36 no 2011-10-20T18:03:37 McLeopold: do you know the java params it'll be run w/? 2011-10-20T18:03:50 *** AndreyATC has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T18:03:54 what run with? 2011-10-20T18:04:06 icedtea, e.g. -server 2011-10-20T18:04:17 the bot is run with the command "java MyBot" i think 2011-10-20T18:04:18 we were still caring about ie6 yes 2011-10-20T18:04:33 okay, cause the site is unusable :( 2011-10-20T18:04:50 *** dogon has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T18:05:04 let me see what the current percentage is though 2011-10-20T18:05:16 *** Xokker has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T18:05:51 js simulation works on ie9 at my windows phone, looks good, but too fast 2011-10-20T18:05:57 hmm, I think we can forget about it now 2011-10-20T18:06:13 it was 0.11% of visitors in the past month 2011-10-20T18:06:15 *** GreenTea has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T18:06:15 *** FishSpeaker has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T18:06:31 *** Guti_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T18:06:47 actually 0.11% of visits or 46 total visits 2011-10-20T18:06:51 When is the challenge starting? It said "tomorrow the 20th" but in my time zone it has been the 20th for 17 hours... 2011-10-20T18:06:54 are pull requests on github the preferred way to submit changes? 2011-10-20T18:07:00 @launcheta 2011-10-20T18:07:00 Launch ETA 5 hours, 53 minutes, and 0 seconds 2011-10-20T18:07:00 dogon: 6ish hours 2011-10-20T18:07:38 erenrich: thanks 2011-10-20T18:07:45 contestbot: eta 2011-10-20T18:07:46 dogon: I do not know about 'eta', but I do know about these similar topics: 'beta' 2011-10-20T18:07:51 I implemented a working bot. 2011-10-20T18:07:55 \o/ 2011-10-20T18:08:04 @launcheta 2011-10-20T18:08:04 Launch ETA 5 hours, 51 minutes, and 56 seconds 2011-10-20T18:08:10 *** TankEnMate has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-20T18:08:28 lrh9: congratz 2011-10-20T18:09:23 Strategy is pretty simple. First the bot will try to make an ant go towards a food cell, if it can't then it will try to make it go towards an enemy hill, and finally it will make the ant move in a random direction. 2011-10-20T18:09:28 *** bobobobobobob has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T18:09:41 random walk, good fallback :) 2011-10-20T18:09:49 *** bobobobobobob has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T18:11:11 you never could be wrong with random 2011-10-20T18:11:31 but you can't be right either... 2011-10-20T18:12:04 why? We can find new food or enemy hill ;P 2011-10-20T18:12:11 *** cyphase has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T18:12:21 well, it's a pretty simple strategy, yes. 2011-10-20T18:12:24 well, it's simple and should work for first times 2011-10-20T18:13:04 *** dogon has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T18:13:09 Oh. Also have collision prevention. 2011-10-20T18:13:10 oh neat 2011-10-20T18:13:59 *** Guti_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T18:14:08 Is there any use for ants.visible? To determine where you might want to scout? 2011-10-20T18:15:41 *** rowfur has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T18:16:04 *** Alex3011 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T18:16:07 i didnt see on the site when the contest ends. does anyone know? 2011-10-20T18:16:38 *** Alex3011 has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T18:17:13 *** ikaros has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat) 2011-10-20T18:17:34 *** Harpyon has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/) 2011-10-20T18:17:59 cyphase: December some time. A more precise date should be available in the next few days. 2011-10-20T18:21:14 *** tjhgjgjgy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T18:23:42 *** aeter has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-10-20T18:27:49 *** robertorocky has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-20T18:27:57 aichallenge: McLeopold * rf2ea14c / (2 files in 2 dirs): update to visualizer colors - http://git.io/wBQtEw 2011-10-20T18:28:29 *** choas has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2011-10-20T18:28:56 *** gt has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T18:28:59 *** lrh9 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-10-20T18:29:34 aichallenge: McLeopold * r5414155 / ants/visualizer/js/Const.js : update to ant colors - http://git.io/42czZw 2011-10-20T18:29:40 *** till has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T18:31:20 mleise: http://paste.aichallenge.org/Zd6pI/ 2011-10-20T18:34:46 *** randll has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T18:35:00 McLeopold: I always refused to use bright colors, but the yellow is still surprisingly readable in the graph 2011-10-20T18:35:02 *** gt has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T18:35:48 the player colors seem to desaturated 2011-10-20T18:35:49 *** ChrisH_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T18:36:06 It is a bit pale over all I think, but maybe that is my monitor 2011-10-20T18:36:36 *** lvqinghouer has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T18:37:05 *** lvqinghouer has left #aichallenge 2011-10-20T18:37:48 *** lvqinghouer has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T18:38:14 whoami 2011-10-20T18:38:18 *** aaron has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T18:38:42 I like the visible light spectrum gradient you applied. But I'm not sure the colors are more distinct than the original ones. 2011-10-20T18:39:06 didn't see anything in the FAQ or on the signup pages. Are signups closed for good or will they re-open. 2011-10-20T18:39:19 aaron: @launcheta 2011-10-20T18:39:31 nm, just saw the message up top 2011-10-20T18:39:34 @launcheta 2011-10-20T18:39:34 Launch ETA 5 hours, 20 minutes, and 26 seconds 2011-10-20T18:39:36 sorry to spam your channel 2011-10-20T18:40:45 aaron: don't feel sorry. we have quite a lot of noise here. 2011-10-20T18:41:13 janzert: use your nVidia control panel and increase the digital vibrance 2011-10-20T18:41:31 finished implementing log-scaled stats for visualized, decided that they're not really much of an improvement 2011-10-20T18:41:49 *** doctor_eyebrows has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T18:41:52 *** aaron has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T18:41:53 to eat food i need to step on it? 2011-10-20T18:42:48 *** deltree_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T18:43:04 well look at that, I was just starting to fiddle with my old planet wars stuff again and here you all are, right on time 2011-10-20T18:43:13 does my old account no longer work? 2011-10-20T18:44:05 McLeopold: it seems to work great with a low number of players though :) 2011-10-20T18:44:06 @later tell boegel sorry, i've been kind of MIA for the most part. i haven't made a starter and in fact didn't even know until today that it was launching 2011-10-20T18:44:06 jmcarthur: Ready to serve, my lord. 2011-10-20T18:44:11 mleise, McLeopold: the orange and yellow colors are hard to tell apart. If there are no better color choices, I request that one of the two of those be the last color assigned so that they appear in the same game as infrequently as possible. 2011-10-20T18:45:15 guess i will have to decide whether to get involved 2011-10-20T18:45:31 i presume the game is sufficiently different from when i disappeared that it's basically a new game 2011-10-20T18:45:38 wow, I feel like I'm muted or something 2011-10-20T18:45:48 deltree_: nah 2011-10-20T18:45:58 *** dlila has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T18:46:02 yeah, it's definitely different from when I last saw it 2011-10-20T18:46:51 pretty complex from the look of it 2011-10-20T18:47:14 *** dlila has left #aichallenge 2011-10-20T18:47:16 i will read the spec later. i hope it's good 2011-10-20T18:47:22 (there's a spec, right?) 2011-10-20T18:47:24 does it still use the same basic command line string parsing? 2011-10-20T18:47:52 i doubt that has changed much 2011-10-20T18:48:17 only major change is the addition of hills 2011-10-20T18:48:29 aichallenge: McLeopold * re6912e8 / ants/visualizer/js/Const.js : update ant colors - http://git.io/QJNi8Q 2011-10-20T18:48:37 looks like yall spent the last few months working on some massive "prettiness" with the viewer 2011-10-20T18:48:41 and it makes very little change to bot protocol 2011-10-20T18:49:07 janzert: when I left, I don't think the rules about fighting were ironed out 2011-10-20T18:49:21 ah 2011-10-20T18:50:53 so does my old acount work still? 2011-10-20T18:50:54 is the game spec linked from the front page the most up to date one? 2011-10-20T18:51:15 accounts were wiped a few weeks ago 2011-10-20T18:51:23 and game spec should be most recent yes 2011-10-20T18:51:29 cool 2011-10-20T18:52:22 gotta run, movies, be back soon 2011-10-20T18:52:25 ChrisH_: make some more updates... 2011-10-20T18:52:47 McLeopold: Is it live in the latest games? 2011-10-20T18:52:54 i like that the cutoff rules are in the spec 2011-10-20T18:52:55 http://paste.aichallenge.org/Zd6pI/ 2011-10-20T18:53:39 *** svolkov has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T18:55:14 this is looking pretty good 2011-10-20T18:55:21 ChrisH_: the hues are about as far apart as I can get 10 colors, so the remaining tweeks would need to be with brightness 2011-10-20T18:55:27 McLeopold: That's a step back. The green and orange are really tough. Pastels are more difficult to deal with because the don't have much difference in brightness. 2011-10-20T18:55:51 McLeopold: OK. I'll be AFK for a bit, but I'll be back in 15 mins. 2011-10-20T18:57:31 *** kronos has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-10-20T18:57:36 *** bishian has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T18:58:20 the spec does not say that # denotes a comment in the input format. is that intended? does that mean i can rely on the server never sending a comment? (usually a safe assumption anyway, i know) 2011-10-20T18:58:40 if i don't have to worry about comments then all white space is equal, making things very simple 2011-10-20T18:59:20 jmcarthur: " If the bot encounters an unknown parameter it should treat the value as an opaque string and not try to parse it in any way." 2011-10-20T18:59:46 McLeopold: back for a sec. My particular color blindness makes it really hard to tell the difference between the light orange and light green shades. Shades of blue I see easily, so making the hues far apart in abolute terms isn't always ideal for me. Of course there are other types of color blindness that make other colors hard to distinguish. :( 2011-10-20T18:59:48 hello, does Psyco module works for python 3.2 sources? 2011-10-20T19:00:02 Launch ETA 4 hours, 59 minutes, and 58 seconds 2011-10-20T19:00:23 ChrisH_: but yours is the widest spread if I'm not mistaken 2011-10-20T19:00:23 *** smarty has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T19:01:09 the others are like supporting IE6 *g*, sorry for the non-PC argument 2011-10-20T19:01:21 *** Vardd has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T19:01:34 . 2011-10-20T19:01:42 1 hour of bughunting: used rows as X'es and cols as Y'es 2011-10-20T19:02:01 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T19:02:01 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-10-20T19:02:06 *** jhines0042 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T19:02:08 your not the first and not the last 2011-10-20T19:02:10 hey, i'm back 2011-10-20T19:02:13 contestbot: seen j3camero 2011-10-20T19:02:13 amstan: j3camero was last seen in #aichallenge 2 days, 20 hours, 34 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: True. I have always been too lazy to make a really good archive. 2011-10-20T19:02:41 *** Zeff has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T19:02:44 mleise: i know that :) 2011-10-20T19:02:50 mleise: yes, RG is the most common. 2011-10-20T19:03:23 evening 2011-10-20T19:03:37 Zannick: but does that mean to ignore everything after an unknown token until the end of the line? 2011-10-20T19:03:38 jhines0042: evening 2011-10-20T19:03:50 because this implies parsing it in some way after all 2011-10-20T19:03:58 *** iun has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T19:04:07 ChrisH_: was this original version better for you? http://marco-leise.homedns.org/antgui/stable/visualizer.php?game=8 2011-10-20T19:04:20 i don't count "read character and discard it if it's not newline" as parsing :P 2011-10-20T19:04:40 *** MikePavone has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T19:04:41 i think there shouldn't be comments on the same line, though 2011-10-20T19:04:49 that, i guess, seems strange 2011-10-20T19:04:49 I think it had the same problem with red, orange and green 2011-10-20T19:05:02 *** iun has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T19:05:30 McLeopold, mleise: if you could put a little black dot in the middle of either the orange or the yellow and either the cyan or the gray, that would be a huge help 2011-10-20T19:05:49 i guess the unknown token thing is also what allows the server to extend the protocol in a backward compatible way, and tokenizing without regard to newlines would violate some assumptions 2011-10-20T19:05:51 mleise: about the same 2011-10-20T19:05:57 afk for a bit 2011-10-20T19:05:59 in direct comparison it doesn't seem to change much if the colors change around, a texture would help 2011-10-20T19:06:01 Ok, so I was able to login before you shut down registrations and for a little while after, but I haven't been able to login since. My account is still present (I can search for it), but it's not accepting my password anymore. No way to reset it? 2011-10-20T19:07:00 *** Benjamin__ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T19:09:21 Is the registrations shut down for good, or is it just to relax the server load for a bit? 2011-10-20T19:09:29 can anybody tell me, should i use python 2.7 or 3.2 to have an opportunity for runtime optimization with Psyco module on contest server? 2011-10-20T19:09:30 the spec says you can occupy the same space as an enemy. this implies that neither ant dies in this scenario? do they not even combat as normal? 2011-10-20T19:09:45 I believe that they are starting the contest tonight for real. everyone will have to re-register and re-upload 2011-10-20T19:10:04 janzert: ping 2011-10-20T19:10:09 kk, Thx. 2011-10-20T19:10:15 aichallenge: McLeopold * r348e00e / ants/visualizer/js/Const.js : change ant color contrast - http://git.io/DyHbCw 2011-10-20T19:10:17 jmcarthur: both ants will die 2011-10-20T19:10:32 janzert: what do i tell phpbb for mail? 2011-10-20T19:11:04 "You can order 2 ants to the same space. If you do this, both ants will die. You can be on the same space as an enemy. This can happen if an ant spawns next to an enemy." 2011-10-20T19:11:13 jhines0042: if you are correct then the above statement seems ambiguous to me 2011-10-20T19:11:40 ChrisH_: okay, made some contrast changes, check out ant paste again 2011-10-20T19:11:54 well, it actually seems ambiguous whichever way, but your statement seems even less obvious from the spec 2011-10-20T19:12:01 jmcarthur: I read that as "if two ants occupy the same space they will both die. This can happen because ants can spawn inside of your ant's attack radius." 2011-10-20T19:12:28 *** Guest13264 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T19:12:39 which needs to be stated because you might get two dead ant reports from the same location. 2011-10-20T19:13:24 but definitely your ants will kill each other if they share the same space. 2011-10-20T19:13:45 When does the contest end? I couldn't find any information on that on the website ? 2011-10-20T19:14:08 afk 2011-10-20T19:14:56 someone should put that on the site 2011-10-20T19:15:14 estimated end is after 2 months 2011-10-20T19:15:55 Alright perfect, will be able to put some work inthere after midterm Seasons. 2011-10-20T19:15:58 amstan: I think the easiest is probably to configure postfix to send through amazon 2011-10-20T19:16:41 overview is at http://www.evanhoffman.com/evan/2011/04/28/integrating-amazon-simple-email-service-with-postfix-for-smarthost-relaying/ 2011-10-20T19:16:46 janzert: can you do that? i have no idea where to start where it comes to postfix 2011-10-20T19:16:54 McLeopold: this one? http://paste.aichallenge.org/Zd6pI/ 2011-10-20T19:16:56 @launcheta 2011-10-20T19:16:56 Launch ETA 4 hours, 43 minutes, and 4 seconds 2011-10-20T19:17:14 amstan: probably, hopefully :) 2011-10-20T19:17:14 yes, it's always the same replay, you just need to refresh the browser 2011-10-20T19:17:48 is anyone else working on Clojure bots? 2011-10-20T19:19:01 ChrisH_: http://paste.aichallenge.org/static/visualizer/colors.html 2011-10-20T19:19:30 where's the function in the visualizer that displays circles around ants/food when you hover on them? 2011-10-20T19:19:51 *** Benjamin__ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T19:20:09 McLeopold: player 5 & 6 colors are the most difficult in that set. Also would comment that I'm not crazy about the nearly black land color 2011-10-20T19:20:19 *** aaa_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T19:20:47 the land is nearly black to you? 2011-10-20T19:20:49 *** aaa_ has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T19:21:11 *** lkajsdkfja has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T19:21:32 McLeopold: woops, I meant player 4 & 5 are hardest. 2011-10-20T19:21:39 I was trying to make the other colors pop out 2011-10-20T19:21:57 land color looks good to me... 2011-10-20T19:22:27 McLeopold: understand, it makes the water harder to see though. 2011-10-20T19:22:37 yeah, that was on purpose 2011-10-20T19:22:55 I want water and food to sort of blend into the background somewhat 2011-10-20T19:23:26 I'll lightent it a little, hold on 2011-10-20T19:23:33 McLeopold: what about my suggestion of putting a black dot in the middle of a couple of the ant colors? is that possible? 2011-10-20T19:23:46 *** uhi has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T19:23:51 *** sadlkfdsf has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T19:23:56 that's for mleise to figure out :), we have an AZ button that might be overloaded to do it 2011-10-20T19:24:51 I think it's important that water has fairly good contrast with land 2011-10-20T19:24:58 mleise: so what say you? any chance to put a black dot in the middle of just a couple of the ant colors? 2011-10-20T19:25:01 janzert: I agree 2011-10-20T19:25:13 *** cirno_the_greate has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-20T19:25:25 look at it now 2011-10-20T19:25:40 dark dirt & lighter water imo 2011-10-20T19:26:31 ChrisH_: if the colors are 0-9, which colors are hardest? 2011-10-20T19:26:37 McLeopold: better land color for sure, don't know if it could be any lighter, but what you have could work 2011-10-20T19:26:47 ChrisH_: what monitor are you viewing this on? 2011-10-20T19:27:32 rmmh: dell (2001FP) 20" 1600x1200 color calibrated with an x-rite eye-one 2011-10-20T19:27:46 McLeopold: you mean player#-1? 2011-10-20T19:28:33 McLeopold: that's minus 1? 2011-10-20T19:28:49 yes 2011-10-20T19:28:58 aichallenge: janzert * r6e76620 / ants/mapgen/symmetric_mapgen.py : Make random walk generator more likely to produce a decent map - http://git.io/COzrTQ 2011-10-20T19:29:27 McLeopold: #3 & #4 are the hardest to distinguish 2011-10-20T19:33:29 *** eo has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T19:33:32 *** ltriant has quit IRC (Quit: Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/) 2011-10-20T19:34:06 thought about using black and/or white as ant colors? 2011-10-20T19:34:40 jhines0042: how good are you at reading a white graph on white ground? 2011-10-20T19:34:54 *** slaftos has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T19:35:10 terrible... 2011-10-20T19:35:39 any pythonistas out there willing to give this noob the secret incantation to crank off the game engine and bot in a debugger? 2011-10-20T19:35:40 *** xar0l has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T19:36:24 mleise: which reminds me, have you seen the examples of how the same color can look very different when surrounded by a dark background vs. a light background? Just wondering if we should use a white margin. 2011-10-20T19:37:15 mleise: or something closer to the color of the dirt so the colors look more consistant. 2011-10-20T19:37:33 mleise: I'm sure that would have other problems though. ;) 2011-10-20T19:37:41 *** uhi has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T19:37:45 maybe the dirt should become quite light? 2011-10-20T19:37:58 aichallenge: McLeopold * rcf4779e / ants/visualizer/js/Const.js : constrast tweak, lighten dirt color - http://git.io/NOhtBw 2011-10-20T19:37:58 aichallenge: McLeopold * r68d26ec / ants/mapgen/symmetric_mapgen.py : Merge branch 'epsilon' of http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge into epsilon - http://git.io/ETLo2g 2011-10-20T19:38:03 so it's not that differrent from the white background? 2011-10-20T19:38:20 janzert: maybe, and then the ants would need to be darker 2011-10-20T19:38:47 that sounds like a bad idea 2011-10-20T19:38:54 yes, although the color for them already has to show up good on a white background 2011-10-20T19:38:57 hah, you guys got posted to /r/programming again. I'm going to leave it this time, as you're supposed to be launching shortly, no? 2011-10-20T19:39:17 eo: 4 to 5 hours or so 2011-10-20T19:40:09 *** jhines0042 has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T19:40:16 *** lvqinghouer has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T19:40:27 *** nikkos has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T19:40:33 janzert: that is true, and we won't know until we try it, but it is the small size of the ants that makes it difficult, they just don't project onto a very large area of your retina, making it harder to see the actual color 2011-10-20T19:40:42 hey anyone on here that is using the common lisp start kit? 2011-10-20T19:40:47 ChrisH_: shaded parts in the color of dirt? hmm 2011-10-20T19:40:52 i have a quick question about it 2011-10-20T19:41:04 sounds like an interesting idea 2011-10-20T19:41:43 *** ltriant has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T19:42:02 nvm 2011-10-20T19:42:22 http://paste.aichallenge.org/Zd6pI/ 2011-10-20T19:42:29 *** eo has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T19:42:32 oh god no 2011-10-20T19:42:54 *** varialll has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T19:42:57 why not just add a "colorblind mode" button 2011-10-20T19:43:02 it just lost it's identity Oo 2011-10-20T19:43:20 yellow is terrible on white 2011-10-20T19:43:26 cannot even see the attack lines any more 2011-10-20T19:43:38 the ants flash up white when they die 2011-10-20T19:43:44 try again :) 2011-10-20T19:43:50 heh, well pure white certainly doesn't work :P 2011-10-20T19:43:53 McLeopold: did you change the ant colors at all, or just the dirt color? 2011-10-20T19:43:56 lol what is happening 2011-10-20T19:43:59 just dirt 2011-10-20T19:44:00 pure black now 2011-10-20T19:44:02 :o 2011-10-20T19:44:07 and neither does black 2011-10-20T19:44:17 now the water is hard to see :P 2011-10-20T19:44:18 I would be fine with black :V 2011-10-20T19:44:18 McLeopold: fascinating, I now have no problem with the two colors I had problems with before. 2011-10-20T19:44:19 lights in the sky 2011-10-20T19:44:52 not that hard but i have to really look 2011-10-20T19:44:58 so the "hive" is a kind of an omnipresent entity, distinct from hills? 2011-10-20T19:45:05 maybe a light tan color for dirt would be good 2011-10-20T19:45:11 jmcarthur: yes 2011-10-20T19:45:28 it'd be really nice if the engine said why a bot was eliminated when it was eliminated 2011-10-20T19:45:33 make it easier to debug 2011-10-20T19:46:00 ermau: it does 2011-10-20T19:46:03 what are the rings that appear around the hills? 2011-10-20T19:46:14 they indicate when enemy ants approach 2011-10-20T19:46:16 McLeopold: Not by what I'm looking at.. 2011-10-20T19:46:23 to grab your attention when you're watching the replay 2011-10-20T19:46:32 McLeopold: that dirt color works great for me, I can see all the ant colors!!!! 2011-10-20T19:46:41 janzert: ? 2011-10-20T19:46:44 janzert: do you have any idea where the forums are? 2011-10-20T19:46:47 on the old server 2011-10-20T19:46:48 I think your monitor is miscalibrated... 2011-10-20T19:46:52 McLeopold: ? 2011-10-20T19:46:53 except player 8 :( 2011-10-20T19:46:57 i can't find them, they're not in planet_wars/forum 2011-10-20T19:46:59 check the colors again 2011-10-20T19:47:07 amstan: not really 2011-10-20T19:47:21 McLeopold: I just see "bot 3 eliminated" and "eliminated" at the end.. but there was no gameplay reason why it would have been, so it must have violated a rule or something 2011-10-20T19:47:47 ermau: I'm thinking of game end 2011-10-20T19:47:56 McLeopold: It doesn't say there either 2011-10-20T19:47:57 bots are only eliminated by losing all ants 2011-10-20T19:48:22 McLeopold: hmm, I like that better than other ones recently 2011-10-20T19:48:25 *** olexs has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-10-20T19:48:32 bleh, I don't :( 2011-10-20T19:48:36 McLeopold: hmm, let me do some more looking.. 2011-10-20T19:48:40 seems like the dirt should be redder 2011-10-20T19:48:48 McLeopold: the dirt color on antpaste perfect for me. 2011-10-20T19:48:56 * ermau facepalms 2011-10-20T19:48:58 McLeopold: nevermind 2011-10-20T19:48:59 McLeopold: I can see all the ant colors distinctly. 2011-10-20T19:49:18 just the water looks bad, but I think easily fixed 2011-10-20T19:49:19 janzert: right, i forgot there were 2 checkouts 2011-10-20T19:49:52 *** dsffdsdfds has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T19:50:04 player 10 seems to blend in a little too much 2011-10-20T19:50:09 McLeopold: player 8 color does clash a bit with the background though 2011-10-20T19:50:11 *** dsffdsdfds has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T19:50:14 but otherwise the ants seem to show up fairly well 2011-10-20T19:50:24 *** djs has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T19:51:16 ooh, that dirt color works pretty well 2011-10-20T19:51:23 for me at least 2011-10-20T19:52:04 can someone look over the starter_packages 2011-10-20T19:52:05 I think the water could use some brighter blue highlights in it 2011-10-20T19:52:12 a lot of them are still not linked 2011-10-20T19:52:16 it works for me, except the dark blue player 8 vibrates (clashes) 2011-10-20T19:52:18 like the C one 2011-10-20T19:52:37 *** bitbrit has quit IRC (Quit: bitbrit) 2011-10-20T19:52:53 but I can see all the ant colors and I agree the latest dirt color is prettier 2011-10-20T19:53:22 yeah player 8 is almost invisible 2011-10-20T19:53:37 aichallenge: McLeopold * ra47c7db / ants/visualizer/js/Const.js : update to dirt color - http://git.io/L2_byQ 2011-10-20T19:54:07 alright 2011-10-20T19:54:19 * jmcarthur types `mkdir bot' :D 2011-10-20T19:55:13 rmmh: invisible? really? blue against brown? to me it is totally visible, but hard to look at 2011-10-20T19:55:47 *** the-mgt has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T19:56:10 *** ascadian has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-10-20T19:56:29 depends on the monitor. I'm looking at it on dim laptops as well 2011-10-20T19:56:37 *** mindeavor has quit IRC (Quit: mindeavor) 2011-10-20T19:56:50 okay, player 8 color adjusted 2011-10-20T19:57:27 that's better i think 2011-10-20T19:57:38 ChrisH_: if you picked half the colors to have a dot, which ones? use player number 2011-10-20T19:57:56 player 1 is a little tough to see, too 2011-10-20T19:58:29 heh, player 1 stands out the most to me 2011-10-20T19:58:38 dim laptop screen here 2011-10-20T19:59:01 player 10 graph is rather hard to see for me 2011-10-20T19:59:08 and my current color scheme is dominated by a kind of coffee brown tone 2011-10-20T19:59:46 but we can probably live with that 2011-10-20T20:00:03 Launch ETA 3 hours, 59 minutes, and 57 seconds 2011-10-20T20:00:29 i guess 3600 seconds to us is 3601 seconds to contestbot 2011-10-20T20:02:31 *** varialll has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T20:02:44 *** bishian has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T20:02:45 *** jonathanasdf has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T20:02:46 McLeopold: I would actually only pick 3 with dots: #3, #9, #10 2011-10-20T20:03:12 *** hihi has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T20:04:05 *** hihi has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T20:04:31 And I agree with some others that if possible player #1's color could be tweeked a bit to make it more distinct from the dirt. 2011-10-20T20:04:39 *** RWJMurphy has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T20:05:14 the two starter packages i just tried (C++ and python) don't contain the visualizer and sample bots 2011-10-20T20:05:35 a1k0n: those are in the tools download now 2011-10-20T20:05:46 http://aichallenge.org/starter_packages.php 2011-10-20T20:06:02 ChrisH_: for 3, 9 and 10, which colors do they need to be distinguished from? 2011-10-20T20:06:19 http://aichallenge.org/using_the_tools.php 2011-10-20T20:06:42 don't help him, he already won... 2011-10-20T20:06:50 :) 2011-10-20T20:06:53 ok. then the language in starter_packages.php should be changed to indicate that that's where you get them 2011-10-20T20:07:07 because bullet point #2 is a lie 2011-10-20T20:07:15 #2-#4 rather 2011-10-20T20:07:36 McLeopold: what are you planning on writing to the activation email? 2011-10-20T20:07:39 yeah, all but the first one are no longer correct 2011-10-20T20:08:00 it should contain some basic directions 2011-10-20T20:09:30 *** MrBond has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T20:10:14 nice, play_one_game_live.sh runs out of java heap space 2011-10-20T20:10:34 McLeopold: I can presently see all the colors pretty well against he current dirt, but a dot would help tell #3 from #2, #9 from #7, and #10 from both #6 and #5 2011-10-20T20:11:11 are 5 and 6 far enough apart? 2011-10-20T20:12:07 *** Jph00 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T20:12:27 more than either is from #10, but they are borderline 2011-10-20T20:13:08 McLeopold: I think they are good enough, #5 & #6, that is. they get into direct battles in your replay and I can follow it ok 2011-10-20T20:13:09 aichallenge: McLeopold * rb320260 / ants/visualizer/js/Const.js : update to dirt color - http://git.io/LZpZNw 2011-10-20T20:14:26 http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=39404 2011-10-20T20:14:49 *** jonathanasdf has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T20:15:54 *** duckinator has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T20:16:09 hi o/ 2011-10-20T20:16:16 McLeopold: BTW, thanks so much for working on the colors so hard. :) 2011-10-20T20:17:11 *** icefox has quit IRC (Quit: icefox) 2011-10-20T20:19:28 *** magik_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T20:20:00 ChrisH_: np, I've learned a lot 2011-10-20T20:20:13 *** jonathanasdf has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T20:20:44 what time does the contest open? 2011-10-20T20:20:53 McLeopold: That's always good. I learned some too. I was surprised how much chaning to a lighter color helped the ant colors separate. 2011-10-20T20:21:36 is there a reason account creation is closed? or is it just because it hasn't started yet? 2011-10-20T20:21:42 *** icefox has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T20:22:10 McLeopold: Are those the new colors on the aichallenge.org site now? 2011-10-20T20:22:23 *** mi has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T20:22:43 antimatroid: McLeopold: did anyone write docs for the hills? Specifically I/O https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/wiki/Ant-bot-input-output 2011-10-20T20:22:49 *** mi is now known as Guest14553 2011-10-20T20:23:23 Yo, I am here (finally). 2011-10-20T20:23:33 aarossig: https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/wiki/Ants-Bot-Input 2011-10-20T20:23:36 nope, we missed that 2011-10-20T20:23:44 input and output pages got split 2011-10-20T20:23:48 @launch 2011-10-20T20:23:49 McLeopold: I do not know about 'launch', but I do know about these similar topics: 'launchvideo' 2011-10-20T20:23:54 @launcheta 2011-10-20T20:23:54 Launch ETA 3 hours, 36 minutes, and 6 seconds 2011-10-20T20:24:11 McLeopold: sorry, but food looks like water now 2011-10-20T20:24:14 McLeopold: okay, well I'm updating the starter packages page and I notice that they don't have hills implemented. I have a brief message explaining that this is left as an exercise until they are implemented. 2011-10-20T20:24:33 hills aren't implemented in the starter bots? 2011-10-20T20:24:36 McLeopold:

Please note that some of these starter packages do not have the hills implemented yet. You can consider it as an exercise to implement these until these starter packages are updated.

2011-10-20T20:24:42 a1k0n: not all of them 2011-10-20T20:24:43 heh. 2011-10-20T20:24:50 which ones don't have it? o.o 2011-10-20T20:25:04 janzert: what do you need me to do? Is the webserver and the workers still on your dime? If so, we should transfer them so it's costing me money instead. 2011-10-20T20:25:15 jonathanasdf: not exactly sure at this point 2011-10-20T20:25:37 j3camero: it would actually be easier if I can just send you an amount each month 2011-10-20T20:25:38 C++ one does! 2011-10-20T20:26:00 especially for the main server right now 2011-10-20T20:26:16 janzert: that is fine with me. What is your preferred method of transfer? 2011-10-20T20:26:18 * mcstar wonders why would anyone want to compromise the flexibility/design of his bot with a pre-written starter bot 2011-10-20T20:26:30 D and Pascal are ok, but Clojure lacked hill information last time I looked 2011-10-20T20:26:36 but for the workers too it would make it easier for me to track that we come out at our budget 2011-10-20T20:26:56 *** Knekkebjoern has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-10-20T20:27:04 j3camero: paypal is easiest but if you don't want to use it mailing a check is fine with me too 2011-10-20T20:27:12 *** Varial has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T20:27:55 *** bob__ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T20:28:09 Does anyone know when we can sign up? 2011-10-20T20:28:23 McLeopold: when did you get hills, exactly. I will use the dates on starter packages as a reference as to whether they have hills or not 2011-10-20T20:28:55 aarossig: I believe it was Sept 25 2011-10-20T20:29:06 aarossig: hills went live september 25th, but McLeopold updated some of the starters prior to that 2011-10-20T20:29:24 Oh ok, thanks? 2011-10-20T20:29:31 *** bob__ has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T20:29:33 bob__: in 3 hours! 2011-10-20T20:29:43 bob__: what time zone you in? 2011-10-20T20:29:43 @launcheta 2011-10-20T20:29:44 Launch ETA 3 hours, 30 minutes, and 17 seconds 2011-10-20T20:29:47 is any python programmer here? I've got a question about Psyco package on the server side. 2011-10-20T20:29:50 ChrisH_: okay, thanks 2011-10-20T20:30:04 Using september 25th as the cutoff for having hills or not. 2011-10-20T20:30:58 dungeonduke: don't believe psycho is installed at this point 2011-10-20T20:31:11 possible it will be added but not before launch 2011-10-20T20:31:32 so should i use 2.7 version then? 2011-10-20T20:31:43 aichallenge: Andrew Rossignol * r5ac2e18 / website/starter_packages.php : Started updating the starter_packages page, more to come - http://git.io/c3hIWw 2011-10-20T20:32:05 will it be added for 3.2 also? 2011-10-20T20:32:46 aarossig: Oct 1 2011-10-20T20:33:59 aarossig: hills are not an exercise, they need to get fixed 2011-10-20T20:34:24 McLeopold: tell amstan, it was his suggestion 2011-10-20T20:34:28 McLeopold: it sounds better 2011-10-20T20:34:35 McLeopold: what should I put there? 2011-10-20T20:34:37 McLeopold: also, there's going to be a lot of contributers after launch 2011-10-20T20:34:47 McLeopold: i wanted to have a warning about it 2011-10-20T20:35:02 well, say that, if a starter doesn't support hills, we need a volunteer to fix it 2011-10-20T20:35:40 McLeopold: alright, sounds good 2011-10-20T20:36:06 I'm out for a few hours 2011-10-20T20:37:22 *** jcdjcd has left #aichallenge ("Leaving") 2011-10-20T20:37:28 McLeopold: see you back for the launch? 2011-10-20T20:37:28 *** Varial has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T20:37:30 :-) 2011-10-20T20:37:38 i need a volunteer to test the forums: http://beta2.aichallenge.org/forums/ 2011-10-20T20:37:47 to make sure everything works 2011-10-20T20:37:58 *** jcdjcd has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T20:38:40 amstan: brb, petting a cat 2011-10-20T20:40:11 j3camero: can you do this? https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/issues/302 2011-10-20T20:40:47 *** jcdjcd has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T20:40:53 amstan: yeah I can handle that. Give me a second to nom dinner. Will be right back. 2011-10-20T20:41:30 *** jcdjcd has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T20:43:01 so, do we primarily just need to change the MyBot.py file and not the ants.py file or the files within the tools folder? 2011-10-20T20:43:26 *** tester has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T20:43:38 *** guest123 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T20:44:11 djr_: generally you edit ants.py 2011-10-20T20:44:14 *** the-mgt_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T20:44:16 @laucheta 2011-10-20T20:44:17 mcstar: You have no gotten any error messages recently, so here's a random one just to let you know that we care. 2011-10-20T20:44:17 djr_: unless you changed the parsing 2011-10-20T20:44:22 mcstar: eta 2011-10-20T20:44:30 @launcheta 2011-10-20T20:44:30 Launch ETA 3 hours, 15 minutes, and 30 seconds 2011-10-20T20:44:39 wait, you said lauch 2011-10-20T20:44:46 i need sleep 2011-10-20T20:45:59 wait, the tutorial has me working with MyBot.py through the whole way, no? 2011-10-20T20:46:00 *** the-mgt has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-10-20T20:46:00 *** the-mgt_ is now known as the-mgt 2011-10-20T20:46:00 *** Rainydays has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T20:49:27 *** Guest14553 has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T20:50:47 aichallenge: janzert * r2b5ed24 / (28 files in 2 dirs): New set of random walk maps - http://git.io/ksUGaA 2011-10-20T20:50:47 aichallenge: janzert * rfbf223a / website/starter_packages.php : Merge branch 'epsilon' of github.com:aichallenge/aichallenge into epsilon - http://git.io/Tz2fIw 2011-10-20T20:51:07 *** Jph00 has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T20:52:46 *** slaftos has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T20:53:17 *** Jar_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T20:54:55 *** Jar_ has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T20:55:33 amstan: can we replace the "still beta" thing on the landing page with "Contest starts at midnight EST" or something of the sort? 2011-10-20T20:55:51 *** fran has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T20:56:00 amstan: because right now it basically says "No. Indefinitely No." Whereas I would like it to say "Here is when the answer will be yes.| 2011-10-20T20:56:10 j3camero: done 2011-10-20T20:56:14 *** jhchrist has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T20:56:17 *** fran is now known as Guest33224 2011-10-20T20:56:20 *** darkee_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T20:56:26 amstan: wow that was fast. 2011-10-20T20:56:34 i had a terminal open 2011-10-20T20:56:42 Very good. 2011-10-20T20:58:08 *** jhchrist has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T20:59:24 amstan: everyone that made an account before they closed should be able to login right? 2011-10-20T20:59:43 ermau: no, there will be an account reset 2011-10-20T20:59:51 *** darkee_ has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T20:59:53 janzert: ah ok 2011-10-20T21:00:03 Then is there any hope of getting the min username limit down to 5 instead of 6? :P 2011-10-20T21:00:04 Launch ETA 2 hours, 59 minutes, and 56 seconds 2011-10-20T21:02:03 aichallenge: Andrew Rossignol * r327e255 / website/starter_packages.php : Updated starter packages page, includes status of hill now - http://git.io/JcvZpA 2011-10-20T21:02:19 *** rebel has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T21:02:38 ermau: sure 2011-10-20T21:02:51 ermau: find me the file to change 2011-10-20T21:02:56 *** Fruity has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T21:03:20 *** rebel has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T21:04:16 *** guest123 has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T21:04:57 amstan: https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/blob/epsilon/website/process_registration.php#L108 2011-10-20T21:05:10 Why do we have lolcode in the starter packages folder, but I can't see it in compiler.py? 2011-10-20T21:05:17 amstan: do you remember the username of the admininstrator of the @ai-contest.com Google Apps? I kinda forget. 2011-10-20T21:05:24 j3camero: nope 2011-10-20T21:05:28 isn't it jeff? 2011-10-20T21:05:31 amstan: There's some text in line or two above that too 2011-10-20T21:06:11 amstan: I thouht so. Either I am an idiot, or I don't see the "admininster this domain" link or whatever. 2011-10-20T21:06:25 i didn't say it.. lol 2011-10-20T21:06:32 j3camero: been there, done that 2011-10-20T21:06:46 aarossig: where is it since they changed everything? 2011-10-20T21:07:01 j3camero: hmm? 2011-10-20T21:07:06 j3camero: the lolcode bot? 2011-10-20T21:07:15 Nah. 2011-10-20T21:07:45 j3camero: forgetting your email password... $3.00 forgetting the password to an international programming contest... priceless. :P 2011-10-20T21:08:11 s/password/username/ 2011-10-20T21:08:43 aarossi: It's cool I got this. There is a way. 2011-10-20T21:08:56 aichallenge: Alexandru Stan * r78f1663 / website/process_registration.php : lowered username limit to 5 chars - http://git.io/nwVOjA 2011-10-20T21:08:59 j3camero: Google Apps: "Come at me bro." 2011-10-20T21:09:06 ermau: ^ 2011-10-20T21:09:10 why is the username limit anywhere above 1 anyway? 2011-10-20T21:09:15 amstan: :D thanks 2011-10-20T21:09:16 jmcarthur: good question 2011-10-20T21:09:40 jmcarthur: i would also allow blank passwords, i still haven't heard of of a good argument for not having them 2011-10-20T21:09:55 people who would use blanks would use crappy passwords anyway 2011-10-20T21:10:17 the only reason to disallow blanks i can think of is for the cases where they are blank by accident 2011-10-20T21:10:22 I think last time we had 25 people whose password was 12345678 2011-10-20T21:10:38 j3camero: ... how do you know? 2011-10-20T21:10:45 jmcarthur: i am officially convinced. 2011-10-20T21:10:49 they weren't salted last time 2011-10-20T21:10:49 jmcarthur: we didn't have a hash 2011-10-20T21:10:54 :( 2011-10-20T21:10:54 sorry, salt 2011-10-20T21:10:57 *** pvarga has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T21:10:59 :( 2011-10-20T21:11:13 aarossig: you haven't even built a login system before, ssshhh 2011-10-20T21:11:13 Yeah we had a hash. Just not salted. 2011-10-20T21:11:22 but... salt! 2011-10-20T21:11:22 I'm cleaning up the C# starter to be more like C#, then I'll go ahead and add ant hill support 2011-10-20T21:11:36 ermau: sure, i'll pull when done 2011-10-20T21:11:45 ermau: please update the page aarossig is working on too 2011-10-20T21:11:47 ermau: yeah ant hill suport for C#, Python, C++, and Java is pretty key. Thanks. 2011-10-20T21:13:12 k.. who did this without comitting? // Uncomment the following line to disable account creation 2011-10-20T21:13:18 i cannot pull anymore now because of it 2011-10-20T21:13:19 *** djr_ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-20T21:13:43 *** djr_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T21:14:59 *** zzzz has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T21:16:48 amstan: j3camero: What is the definition of a "new feature" that we're not supposed to add to the starter bots? 2011-10-20T21:16:55 *** cybergamer has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T21:17:09 ermau: hmm? what? 2011-10-20T21:17:27 amstan: Earlier when I asked about improving the starter bots I was told not to add any additional functionality 2011-10-20T21:19:03 ermau: depends on what 2011-10-20T21:19:13 For example, the sample has a array of all of the tiles, but no real way to get at it, I was just going to add an accessor for it 2011-10-20T21:19:27 *** djr_ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-20T21:19:28 *** rr5 has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-20T21:19:49 *** djr_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T21:20:04 ermau: it's it's just a syntax thing, sure 2011-10-20T21:20:15 Ok, I thought so, just wanted to be sure 2011-10-20T21:20:15 amstan: is there a Google Apps for @aichallenge.org? 2011-10-20T21:20:25 amstan: if not, I can create it. 2011-10-20T21:20:25 *** adgooroo has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T21:21:04 j3camero: is there a way to merge them? 2011-10-20T21:21:11 j3camero: it would be nice to have the same accounts on both 2011-10-20T21:21:14 i think there's a way 2011-10-20T21:22:26 *** pvarga has quit IRC (Quit: pvarga) 2011-10-20T21:22:28 aichallenge: Andrew Rossignol * refad9a2 / website/header.php : Added page titling mechanism - http://git.io/ahr5lw 2011-10-20T21:22:51 I think there is a way yes. It usually asks me that during the setup. 2011-10-20T21:23:04 j3camero: look through the settings 2011-10-20T21:23:18 Nah there's a step in the setup where it asks. 2011-10-20T21:23:34 j3camero: can you make me admin? 2011-10-20T21:24:10 aichallenge: Andrew Rossignol * r31edd2e / (website/header.php website/index.php): Added the title to homepage, the rest to follow - http://git.io/HfPRQQ 2011-10-20T21:24:45 * ermau volunteers to write the C# sample bots in the future 2011-10-20T21:25:27 amstan: yeah. 2011-10-20T21:26:03 j3camero: settings panels>domain names>add a domain or domain alias 2011-10-20T21:26:32 aichallenge: janzert * rfd943a2 / (30 files in 2 dirs): New batch of single hill maze maps - http://git.io/G4zMwA 2011-10-20T21:26:54 amstan janzert: you are both admins on the ai-contest.com Google Apps. 2011-10-20T21:26:59 j3camero: ok 2011-10-20T21:28:54 j3camero: eww, they did change it 2011-10-20T21:29:00 i don't have it like that for hypertriangle 2011-10-20T21:29:13 *** Knekkebjoern has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T21:30:15 Yeah everything is different. Haha. 2011-10-20T21:30:19 I will get used to it. 2011-10-20T21:30:23 j3camero: i'm not sure what's going on, i have a ton more options for my domain 2011-10-20T21:30:48 *** cyphase has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-20T21:31:00 *** Craigus has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T21:31:17 hmm, any reference to set of rules for an official package? (I'm still working on a improved node package) 2011-10-20T21:31:25 *** Mikevilly has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T21:31:29 amstan: I am setting up the aichallenge.org Google Apps. Stand by, I might need you to create a page on the aichallenge.org domain. 2011-10-20T21:31:52 *** TheDigitalNinja has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T21:31:53 j3camero: idk if we should be making a new domain though 2011-10-20T21:32:11 what's this Continue using this guide to properly set up Google Apps for your organization. 2011-10-20T21:33:09 j3camero: there should be domain settings 2011-10-20T21:33:24 &launcheta 2011-10-20T21:33:28 $launcheta 2011-10-20T21:33:33 bah 2011-10-20T21:33:36 @launcheta 2011-10-20T21:33:36 Launch ETA 2 hours, 26 minutes, and 24 seconds 2011-10-20T21:33:40 ty 2011-10-20T21:35:42 *** testa23 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T21:36:01 amstan: Should I submit the style and hill changes separately or altogether? 2011-10-20T21:36:19 *** testa23 has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T21:36:21 *** rr5 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T21:36:24 ermau: when you do git, change commit as much as possible 2011-10-20T21:36:53 you guys switch to python this year, that is SO much more sexy than Java 2011-10-20T21:36:58 amstan: Right, but pull requests are sets of commits 2011-10-20T21:37:11 *** xar0l has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T21:37:28 *** smarty has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T21:37:33 deltree_: I don't think we had any of the contest software written in Java since the first ever contest haha. And that was just because I was dumb. 2011-10-20T21:37:47 ermau: pull requests should be individual features 2011-10-20T21:38:05 j3camero: all the tutorials, in fact, as I recall, the visualizer for PlanetWars was in Java 2011-10-20T21:38:28 deltree_: oh true. I was thinking of the backend software. But you're right. 2011-10-20T21:38:32 j3camero: now now, we do have IE support thanks to java :P 2011-10-20T21:38:33 btw, are we going to be able to download the old stuff still? 2011-10-20T21:39:04 aarossig: I'm not hating on Java. I use it at work all day. Just saying it's not ideal for software that involves precise timing or interprocess communication. 2011-10-20T21:39:05 like tron & pw 2011-10-20T21:39:27 j3camero: it may be too forward, but what language is your back-end written in? 2011-10-20T21:39:29 j3camero: yeah, I understand. I do like java for somethings... mainly minecraft :P 2011-10-20T21:39:40 deltree_: python 2011-10-20T21:39:45 interesting 2011-10-20T21:39:48 *** rr5 has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-20T21:39:52 *** YagerX has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T21:40:02 *** smarty has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T21:40:21 I work with c# at work all day and I've been wanting to use some other tricks, so this could be a great opportunity 2011-10-20T21:40:41 deltree_: wanna do some hacking? Everybody here is volunteers. You can change the backend if you like. 2011-10-20T21:41:04 j3camero: are you offering me to work on the team? 2011-10-20T21:41:56 it's all github & opensource right? 2011-10-20T21:42:03 Yep 2011-10-20T21:42:21 Pick a feature, make it, and send a pull request! 2011-10-20T21:42:36 *** stryder199 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T21:42:40 what isn't on your priorities at the moment. If I do fiddle with something I don't know, it may take a while and I don't want to be working on something someone else is going to do better 2011-10-20T21:42:52 *** cyphase has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T21:42:52 *** cyphase has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T21:43:06 deltree_: well, nobody else seems to be working on it, if they do, we'll pick the better 2011-10-20T21:43:08 @launcheta 2011-10-20T21:43:08 Launch ETA 2 hours, 16 minutes, and 52 seconds 2011-10-20T21:43:14 @launcheta 2011-10-20T21:43:14 Launch ETA 2 hours, 16 minutes, and 46 seconds 2011-10-20T21:43:29 aichallenge: janzert * r4150187 / (34 files): New batch of multi hill maze maps - http://git.io/uG5inA 2011-10-20T21:43:55 interesting, I will see if I can figure out the python that makes up the back-end, then I'll duplicate it in a few languages and do some speed tests 2011-10-20T21:44:37 aichallenge: janzert * r92ce512 / ants/maps/multi_hill_maze/.maze_04p_02.map.swp : Remove accidentally checked in file - http://git.io/xwYIow 2011-10-20T21:44:42 *** stryder199 has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T21:44:58 *** YagerX has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T21:44:59 *** nick1472 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T21:45:16 ease of programming the backend is more important than speed 2011-10-20T21:45:24 and we're all familiar with python so... 2011-10-20T21:45:41 aichallenge: Andrew Rossignol * r3aeb097 / website/cpp_doc.php : removed cpp_doc.php, was not included anywhere - http://git.io/XY75nw 2011-10-20T21:45:42 aichallenge: Andrew Rossignol * r8706ec3 / ants/maps/multi_hill_maze/.maze_04p_02.map.swp : Merge branch 'epsilon' of https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge into epsilon - http://git.io/7oU0nQ 2011-10-20T21:45:45 i think if we're going to change the language of the backend it'll be to python3 2011-10-20T21:45:56 fair enough, then I'll just try cleanup to start 2011-10-20T21:46:39 *** chamby has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T21:46:40 *** Laie has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T21:47:30 Zannick: django doesn't do python3 yet 2011-10-20T21:47:33 afaik 2011-10-20T21:47:37 *** Craigus has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T21:48:14 deltree_: don't worry. There are almost always more tasks and/or bugs to be fixed than there are people to work on them. There's lots of opportunity to get involved, and we will need you badly. 2011-10-20T21:48:16 django does have a python3 port but it's not officially supported/stable yet 2011-10-20T21:48:35 Who uses python3?? 2011-10-20T21:48:35 *** Guest33224 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T21:49:04 *** Zeff has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T21:49:04 j3camero: well, don't count me as worthwhile just yet. There's plenty of projects I've tried to do that were over my head. I hope I can do something worthwhile. I'm a big fan of this contest and I'd love to help 2011-10-20T21:49:10 *** rj_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T21:49:13 everyone go read bad_words.php quick 2011-10-20T21:49:18 j3camero: McLeopold ;) 2011-10-20T21:49:35 I'm just minding my own business adding page titles and a wild fuck appeared 2011-10-20T21:49:44 sign up is closed? 2011-10-20T21:50:00 probably until midnight 2011-10-20T21:50:00 @topic 2011-10-20T21:50:00 aarossig: AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge || About the game (Ants): http://aichallenge.org/problem_description.php || Submissions and signups will reopen when the contest starts later today (Oct 20). 2011-10-20T21:50:13 yup 2011-10-20T21:50:17 score 1 for deltree 2011-10-20T21:50:25 what time did it close? 2011-10-20T21:50:34 what time zone? 2011-10-20T21:50:36 rj_: it didn't close, it didn't open yet 2011-10-20T21:50:51 oh ok.. thank q 2011-10-20T21:50:55 it opens in 2011-10-20T21:50:58 @launcheta 2011-10-20T21:50:58 Launch ETA 2 hours, 9 minutes, and 2 seconds 2011-10-20T21:51:02 *** rjc has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T21:51:12 assuming we get it all together by then ;) 2011-10-20T21:52:24 midnight est 2011-10-20T21:52:44 *** did_this_start_y has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T21:52:50 ^ 2011-10-20T21:52:59 <---? 2011-10-20T21:53:45 * janzert hopes McLeopold shows back up soon so I can dish some stuff off on him ;) 2011-10-20T21:54:39 janzert: I will call him. 2011-10-20T21:54:54 *** Craigus has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T21:55:05 *** nick1472 has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T21:55:29 no rush yet 2011-10-20T21:55:48 And by call him I mean text him. 2011-10-20T21:55:49 any recomendations on a python ide? 2011-10-20T21:55:54 emacs 2011-10-20T21:55:56 notepad 2011-10-20T21:55:57 *** adgooroo has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T21:55:58 vi 2011-10-20T21:56:10 not an IDE, but ok 2011-10-20T21:56:15 I'm used to text editors 2011-10-20T21:56:20 Contentious statement. 2011-10-20T21:56:25 lol 2011-10-20T21:56:35 I don't mind text editors 2011-10-20T21:56:46 just not what I expected 2011-10-20T21:56:52 I can't do it. I'm not a flamer. Emacs is cool, vi is cool, hell even eclipse. Whatever. 2011-10-20T21:56:55 kate! 2011-10-20T21:57:04 how long will registration stay open for? 2011-10-20T21:57:35 did_this_start_y: really.. you made it your nickname? 2011-10-20T21:57:37 did_this_start_y: no, we didn't 2011-10-20T21:57:48 loving this nick lol 2011-10-20T21:58:01 @arrossig thanks 2011-10-20T21:58:02 did_this_start_y: Run as fast as you can and don't look back. 2011-10-20T21:58:49 *** danielharan has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T21:59:04 aichallenge: Andrew Rossignol * r17961be / website/java_doc.php : removed java_doc.php as it is no longer used - http://git.io/8V6oSA 2011-10-20T21:59:10 deltree_: if you like eclipse, then pyclipse might be to your liking. 2011-10-20T21:59:33 *** did_this_start_y has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T22:00:03 deltree_: sorry it's pydev -> http://pydev.org/ 2011-10-20T22:00:04 Launch ETA 1 hour, 59 minutes, and 56 seconds 2011-10-20T22:00:42 looks like visual studio even has a python add on 2011-10-20T22:00:56 *** rr5 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:01:49 thanks ChrisH_ 2011-10-20T22:03:29 heh, deltree 2011-10-20T22:03:42 i had a dos for dummies book when i was like 9, and i typed in all the commands to see what they did 2011-10-20T22:03:49 i did deltree C: 2011-10-20T22:03:59 then started reading about what it did after i pressed enter 2011-10-20T22:04:07 good times 2011-10-20T22:04:08 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:05:49 djr_: I started using the name to keep from getting lax. I use VS at work all day, and it's like coding with a tutor behind you. It'll make you soft 2011-10-20T22:06:52 having a nickname that I have to be careful when I type--that's one touch to keep me from getting lazy 2011-10-20T22:07:29 will replay files for all matches be distributed publicly? 2011-10-20T22:07:44 *** jfs has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:07:50 honestly, though I kinda understand VS. I don't understand any other IDEs and overall I use text editors for most coding 2011-10-20T22:08:14 *** mleise has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2011-10-20T22:08:34 what does map_stats.php do? 2011-10-20T22:08:36 deltree_: I also love VS. The intellisense is killer good. 2011-10-20T22:08:41 erenrich: they were with the last game 2011-10-20T22:08:57 deltree_: thanks 2011-10-20T22:09:07 j3camero: intellisense is like--insta-google 2011-10-20T22:09:56 *** rjc has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T22:09:57 I wish I knew how it worked with imported DLLs 2011-10-20T22:11:00 *** Bbb__ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:11:11 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:11:31 *** Bbb__ has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T22:11:38 amstan: there's the C#ifying pull 2011-10-20T22:12:00 *** Vivitron has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-10-20T22:12:14 amstan: Ah, actually, missed something 2011-10-20T22:12:21 I suppose I'll have to put my ruby studies on hold while I learn python 2011-10-20T22:12:34 *** svolkov has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:13:03 deltree_: one keystroke, then tab tab tab tab tab. Anyone can program! 2011-10-20T22:13:12 just do it in ruby then o.o 2011-10-20T22:13:15 lol 2011-10-20T22:13:19 deltree_: what is your everyday language? 2011-10-20T22:13:28 ruby and python are similar enough imo lol 2011-10-20T22:13:50 c# is my work language, so it's where I live these days. Looks like I may be moving to c++ or java soon (depending on which job pulls through) 2011-10-20T22:14:16 used a few others. I've coded in something like 17 languages 2011-10-20T22:14:21 but not very well in many 2011-10-20T22:14:28 C# and VS? do you use resharper? I don't think I can live without that anymore lol 2011-10-20T22:14:35 <3 R# 2011-10-20T22:14:40 I never understood resharper 2011-10-20T22:14:47 O_O 2011-10-20T22:14:57 it took me 3 months to come around to saying "OK, VS is faster" 2011-10-20T22:15:02 I don't understand IDEs 2011-10-20T22:15:05 :??? 2011-10-20T22:15:10 have yet to find a book or tutorial that makes sense to me 2011-10-20T22:15:15 resharper is a plugin for VS.... 2011-10-20T22:15:23 I know what resharper is 2011-10-20T22:15:25 oh 2011-10-20T22:15:29 I misunderstood your statement 2011-10-20T22:15:35 one of my co-workers installed it for me and told me it was better 2011-10-20T22:15:41 you mean to say that you used to think coding in say notepad was faster 2011-10-20T22:15:43 it just kept crashing my machine 2011-10-20T22:15:54 o.o 2011-10-20T22:16:28 jonathanasdf: I custom built my own tools for compiling etc 2011-10-20T22:16:55 ..why would you do that? 2011-10-20T22:17:20 so you didn't use VS's solutions, nor ant scripts? 2011-10-20T22:17:26 lol... 2011-10-20T22:17:33 ermau: for the first 3 months I worked at my job, I didn't have admin rights or VS, so I had to work around it 2011-10-20T22:17:34 or even.. nmake? 2011-10-20T22:17:41 that was when I was learning c# 2011-10-20T22:17:47 deltree_: That's when you find a new job. 2011-10-20T22:17:48 last year 2011-10-20T22:17:52 during the last competition 2011-10-20T22:18:01 amstan: There we go, should be set now 2011-10-20T22:18:12 does visual studio still do weird shit to enable precompiled headers (e.g. magic sauce around #include "stdafx.h"?) 2011-10-20T22:18:14 *** adgooroo has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:18:20 jonathanasdf: I used the scripts that were provided and compiled them with csc.exe last year 2011-10-20T22:18:22 or i guess c++ specific so nm 2011-10-20T22:18:37 can't say I heard of csc.exe so can't comment on it 2011-10-20T22:18:55 it's the C Sharp Compiler that's built into windows 2011-10-20T22:19:08 have to use command prompt to use it 2011-10-20T22:19:28 Excellent - I just logged in to check on the c# starter project... looks it doesn't have any support for Hills? 2011-10-20T22:19:29 so I custom built a application to make it simpler 2011-10-20T22:19:32 You write C# and don't know what CSC is? :-\ 2011-10-20T22:19:34 *** Laie has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-10-20T22:19:42 deltree_: why not just use nmake then? 2011-10-20T22:19:49 I let VS take care of all my building 2011-10-20T22:19:53 adgooroo: Yeah :-\ I'm working on patching in support for it now 2011-10-20T22:19:57 and can't say I really have much experience in C# either... 2011-10-20T22:20:04 cool ... saves me the trouble ;-) 2011-10-20T22:20:06 just a few small projects here and there, nothing in actual companies 2011-10-20T22:20:09 jonathanasdf: So do I.. 2011-10-20T22:20:11 jonathanasdf: Ah ok 2011-10-20T22:20:32 I think it's important to know how everything works, even if I don't need to mess with it directly. 2011-10-20T22:20:34 hmm i should probably go finish the tutorial.. 2011-10-20T22:20:51 ermau: my philosophy is, only do that when stuff breaks 2011-10-20T22:21:05 jonathanasdf - what was your question about C#/VS? 2011-10-20T22:21:09 eventually, stuff WILL break and then I'll have to learn it, but until then, I'll rely on the magic 2011-10-20T22:21:12 adgooroo: nothing 2011-10-20T22:21:17 ah ok 2011-10-20T22:21:32 I don't know how hills work or I'd offer to help 2011-10-20T22:21:39 I'm still reading through the git, this'll be a while 2011-10-20T22:21:47 *** Ttech has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:21:54 *** brianko has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:22:06 *** jfs has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-10-20T22:22:39 *** adgooroo has left #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:23:13 Question : Is it normal we can't download the tools on the website? " http://aichallenge.org/using_the_tools.php " 2011-10-20T22:23:17 not normal 2011-10-20T22:23:19 j3camero: i use python3. when i can :3 2011-10-20T22:23:35 *** dr0b3rts has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:23:58 *** bysin has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:24:01 *** chamby has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T22:24:03 if you want the linux one I can give you a link 2011-10-20T22:24:09 I don't think I have the windows one tho 2011-10-20T22:24:16 @launcheta 2011-10-20T22:24:16 Launch ETA 1 hour, 35 minutes, and 44 seconds 2011-10-20T22:24:21 *** Mikevilly has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T22:24:36 I would like the Windows one, but yea sure I can use the Linux one too. 2011-10-20T22:24:41 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4910378/tools.tar.bz2 that's the linux one 2011-10-20T22:25:00 Thx 2011-10-20T22:25:11 you might want to redownload the tools after the link goes back, because Im not sure if they're changing stuff or whatever 2011-10-20T22:25:14 is there an advantage to signing up earlier rather than later? 2011-10-20T22:26:14 brianko: not really 2011-10-20T22:26:25 brianko: it's just that it's a good tool to test your bot 2011-10-20T22:26:31 *** jfs has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:26:39 thanks 2011-10-20T22:26:41 k, everyone happy with the new forums? http://beta2.aichallenge.org/forums/ 2011-10-20T22:27:21 *** PlayerName has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:28:04 amstan: looks good 2011-10-20T22:28:59 sexy 2011-10-20T22:29:15 *** steve___ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:29:22 Hi all! I cannot sign up for the contest. Can anyone please advise when it will be possible to sign up (if will be possible at all) ? 2011-10-20T22:29:24 looks pretty good, not succeeding at logging in, though :/ 2011-10-20T22:29:41 *** steve___ is now known as Guest35334 2011-10-20T22:29:52 @launcheta 2011-10-20T22:29:52 Launch ETA 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 8 seconds 2011-10-20T22:30:05 I couldn't find any information regarding the deadlines and I hope I'm not too late :) 2011-10-20T22:30:14 *** Acorn has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:30:37 PlayerName: actually you're 1.5 hours too early 2011-10-20T22:30:46 oh 2011-10-20T22:30:49 I see :) 2011-10-20T22:30:49 *** icefox has quit IRC (Quit: icefox) 2011-10-20T22:30:55 thank you very much! 2011-10-20T22:31:29 aichallenge: Andrew Rossignol * r8edc4d0 / website/scheme_doc.php : Removed scheme_doc.php, unused - http://git.io/eDFU8w 2011-10-20T22:31:56 ok, now the login page is giving me an error trying to load the captcha 2011-10-20T22:34:48 *** PlayerName has left #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:35:19 is there a way to change the color scheme? 2011-10-20T22:35:22 I think last year I gave you guys some raw code that checked stopforumspam for users registering, amstan do you remember that? 2011-10-20T22:35:23 i don't like that bright green :( 2011-10-20T22:35:32 is account creation closed? 2011-10-20T22:35:49 @topic 2011-10-20T22:35:49 ChrisH_: AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge || About the game (Ants): http://aichallenge.org/problem_description.php || Submissions and signups will reopen when the contest starts later today (Oct 20). 2011-10-20T22:35:50 deltree_: yes, fork the phpbb3 from aichallenge github and add it there 2011-10-20T22:36:11 alright, it's a lot better now. I'll take a look 2011-10-20T22:36:56 jfs: check back in a couple hours 2011-10-20T22:37:14 I don't see a forum skin option in user CP :( 2011-10-20T22:37:50 oh wait 2011-10-20T22:37:52 it's on the top right 2011-10-20T22:37:54 -_- 2011-10-20T22:38:07 geez, you've got like 4 folders named "website" none of which has the forum in it 2011-10-20T22:38:10 ok select 5 looks much better 2011-10-20T22:38:13 I'll keep look 2011-10-20T22:38:40 nvm, found it 2011-10-20T22:38:45 amstan: on the new forums, the section title "Ants (Summer 2011)" needs updating 2011-10-20T22:39:29 amstan: you want me to fork the whole thing or just the changed files? 2011-10-20T22:39:32 *** kjj_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:39:36 ChrisH_: done 2011-10-20T22:39:37 j3camero: Can I remove test_vis.php? 2011-10-20T22:39:44 j3camero: it isn't included anywhere... 2011-10-20T22:39:46 deltree_: there's only one way to fork 2011-10-20T22:39:57 never forked in github 2011-10-20T22:39:57 *** Aperage has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:40:10 sorry, i know you're really busy, I"ll just do what I think is best 2011-10-20T22:41:39 amstan :Unsure if you are aware or no, but we can't download the "tools" from the website anymore. Just letting you know. 2011-10-20T22:41:54 Vardd: sorry, what? 2011-10-20T22:42:08 http://aichallenge.org/using_the_tools.php The link to download both Tools are down. 2011-10-20T22:42:09 aichallenge.org/tools.bar.bz2 is not working, any alternate link please? 2011-10-20T22:42:26 Neither Windows, or Linux. 2011-10-20T22:42:31 amstan: I'll comment out the line to resubmit to SFS, uncomment it when you dig up your old key 2011-10-20T22:44:03 *** artefon has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:44:32 *** tncardoso has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-10-20T22:45:03 *** jon__ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:45:22 *** jon__ has left #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:45:59 *** jon__ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:45:59 amstan thinks I broke something in my massive commit -- lol 2011-10-20T22:46:01 *** jon__ has left #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:46:07 aarossig: orly? 2011-10-20T22:46:45 *** JeffCityJon has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:47:04 Are the tools 404ing for anyone else? 2011-10-20T22:47:16 *** icefox has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:47:27 JeffCityJon : Yes. 2011-10-20T22:47:27 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2011-10-20T22:47:31 yes, tools link is not working 2011-10-20T22:47:43 Does anyone have it on a mirror? 2011-10-20T22:47:46 JeffCityJon: I will look into it 2011-10-20T22:47:53 Awesome 2011-10-20T22:48:07 JeffCityJon: you from MO? 2011-10-20T22:48:13 Yup 2011-10-20T22:48:36 JeffCityJon: cool, my grandparents were from JeffCity, been there many times. 2011-10-20T22:48:38 JeffCityJon: it's up. 2011-10-20T22:48:45 JeffCityJon: http://aichallenge.org/tools.zip 2011-10-20T22:49:11 Thank you kind sir! 2011-10-20T22:49:44 JeffCityJon: we launch in 1:10... you're helping find bugs! 2011-10-20T22:49:47 amstan: submitted. I have an ACP button for a quick ban, delete & submit to SFS, do you want that also? 2011-10-20T22:49:49 @launcheta 2011-10-20T22:49:49 Launch ETA 1 hour, 10 minutes, and 11 seconds 2011-10-20T22:49:56 :D 2011-10-20T22:50:24 There was a couple folks on reddit who had issues with that link. I will let them know it's up again... 2011-10-20T22:51:02 WHO IS EXCITED FOR THE CONTEST TO OPEN??? 2011-10-20T22:51:04 deltree_: yes please 2011-10-20T22:51:05 *** levis501 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:51:07 k 2011-10-20T22:51:09 <--- 2011-10-20T22:51:12 *** artefon has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-10-20T22:51:27 JeffCityJon: I need this reddit link 2011-10-20T22:51:39 JeffCityJon: nvm, found it. 2011-10-20T22:51:41 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/liz3e/google_ai_challenge_fall_2011_now_open/ 2011-10-20T22:51:42 aarossig: Oh no you don't. All the karma. 2011-10-20T22:51:55 lol 2011-10-20T22:51:58 lol too early. 2011-10-20T22:52:00 j3camero: this is stupid... 2011-10-20T22:52:04 yeah, they also called us google ai challenge again 2011-10-20T22:52:06 *** MikePavone has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T22:52:07 some guy posted that it's now open 2011-10-20T22:52:09 So we gotta decide who is gonna get all the karma. 2011-10-20T22:52:17 j3camero: he already is 2011-10-20T22:52:17 okay, get a reddit mod to take it down. 2011-10-20T22:52:19 it is wrong. 2011-10-20T22:52:28 Nah no worries. 2011-10-20T22:52:29 Relax. 2011-10-20T22:53:00 We decide who is gonna do the post. At midnight, he makes the post. We all immediately upvote it. Then Friday morning everybody sees it at work. 2011-10-20T22:53:04 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:53:15 Who wants lots of karma? 2011-10-20T22:53:19 j3camero: sure, so we ignore the other one? 2011-10-20T22:53:23 j3camero: me 2011-10-20T22:53:26 Yeah wahtever. 82 upvotes. 2011-10-20T22:53:26 j3camero: it's already posted -- reddit doesn't allow this 2011-10-20T22:53:38 *** levis501 has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T22:53:41 j3camero: it will complain unless you add a ? or something 2011-10-20T22:53:47 it won't 2011-10-20T22:53:55 nvm 2011-10-20T22:54:05 I think you can repost the same link. 2011-10-20T22:54:13 Either way this is easy to fix since we control the webserver. 2011-10-20T22:54:25 *** JeffCityJon has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T22:54:29 j3camero: just make a page called Real Launch and be sure to include lots of blink tags 2011-10-20T22:54:46 i think most browsers ignore blink nowadays 2011-10-20T22:54:48 we can make a redirect if it detects it came from the crappy post, to our real post 2011-10-20T22:55:08 Zannick: they do.. I was working on a site for a campground from the 90s and I saw a few there 2011-10-20T22:55:16 Zannick: they did nothing sadly :P 2011-10-20T22:55:26 amstan: yes! 2011-10-20T22:55:37 amstan: if refferer=reddit, redirect to the proper reddit post. 2011-10-20T22:55:39 aarossig: do the code for that in index 2011-10-20T22:55:51 amstan: it'll take me a minute. It's currently done in AJAX, I'll swap it for proper code 2011-10-20T22:56:15 *** Fruity has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T22:56:32 *** ash0d has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:56:40 aichallenge: Andrew Rossignol * ra9caaf7 / (46 files): Added titles to all pages that included header.php - http://git.io/FCG7xQ 2011-10-20T22:56:46 @time 2011-10-20T22:56:47 ash0d: 10:56 PM, October 20, 2011 2011-10-20T22:56:59 *** jhines0042 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:57:11 *** dvladim has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:57:30 we can also just put a ? that does nothing at the end of the url submitted to reddit 2011-10-20T22:58:07 jhines0042: hey 2011-10-20T22:58:23 ChrisH_: back at you 2011-10-20T22:58:28 why don't hills have vision? 2011-10-20T22:58:49 rmmh: they don't have eyes. ;) 2011-10-20T22:58:58 rmmh: because it's hard to see from inside the tunnels what's outside 2011-10-20T22:59:01 rmmh: cause that would be creepy :-) 2011-10-20T22:59:06 *** f4hy has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T22:59:20 So the contest is closed? 2011-10-20T22:59:24 @topic 2011-10-20T22:59:24 amstan: AI Challenge (sponsored by Google): http://aichallenge.org || Channel Logs: http://contestbot.aichallenge.org || Code Repo: http://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge || About the game (Ants): http://aichallenge.org/problem_description.php || Submissions and signups will reopen when the contest starts later today (Oct 20). 2011-10-20T22:59:33 @launcheta 2011-10-20T22:59:33 Launch ETA 1 hour and 27 seconds 2011-10-20T22:59:49 how are there so many bots on the site if it is closed? 2011-10-20T22:59:57 those are from the beta 2011-10-20T23:00:05 Launch ETA 59 minutes and 55 seconds 2011-10-20T23:00:14 oh... how did you get a beta invite? just had to know about it? 2011-10-20T23:00:27 it was an open beta, yeah. 2011-10-20T23:00:30 but not the real contest 2011-10-20T23:00:35 where all the awesome is 2011-10-20T23:00:40 sweet 2011-10-20T23:00:46 Is there a rush to get started as soon as the contest starts, or is there no real urgency? 2011-10-20T23:00:47 I bet the beta people have a leg up though 2011-10-20T23:01:01 they changed the rules just before the beta ended 2011-10-20T23:01:14 f4hy: six legs? 2011-10-20T23:01:18 Acorn: depends on your personality. You'll have a couple months to work on your code before the final start though. 2011-10-20T23:01:53 I'm going to rush simply because my latest bot changes haven't been tested in the wild yet and I want to see how they do. 2011-10-20T23:01:55 before the finals start, that is. 2011-10-20T23:02:19 will it work that at some point the scores reset and it does a final evaluation? otherwise I bet people will rank up if they get a good bot early while we all submit starter kits 2011-10-20T23:02:19 ChrisH_: ah, that's what I meant, good to know the actual final start is some time away 2011-10-20T23:02:50 f4hy: yes, in a few months they will reset and do a final competition 2011-10-20T23:02:56 sweet 2011-10-20T23:03:07 f4hy: there is plenty of time to be competitive. I came in last time (Planet Wars) near the end and still placed in the upper 1/3 2011-10-20T23:03:09 My ants are going to die so fast 2011-10-20T23:03:10 yeah, it's lots of fun 2011-10-20T23:03:29 I did well for the snake one, but have not checked anything out since then 2011-10-20T23:03:35 *** artefon has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:03:39 *** dvladim has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-20T23:03:46 yeah, what jhines0042 said, I started late last time and finished very high as well 2011-10-20T23:03:48 this challenge is a bit more difficult than the planets though 2011-10-20T23:03:59 in a good way 2011-10-20T23:04:13 *** cavilling_elite has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:04:26 I really want to see a winner which is not in C or C++ or java 2011-10-20T23:04:32 hello all, are we all waiting for the challenge doors to open? 2011-10-20T23:04:40 cavilling_elite: oh yes, the pressure 2011-10-20T23:04:49 it's getting kind of hot in here 2011-10-20T23:05:00 is there a limited seating? This is my first year I am thinking of joining. 2011-10-20T23:05:12 cavilling_elite: nope, the more the better 2011-10-20T23:05:18 f4hy: the last competion was won by Lisp 2011-10-20T23:05:19 aichallenge: Andrew Rossignol * rf727a61 / website/map.php : damn, amstan was right. Fixed a *minor* issue in maps.php - http://git.io/nX89kw 2011-10-20T23:05:33 f4hy: what are you planning to program in? 2011-10-20T23:05:41 *** brianko has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2011-10-20T23:06:00 *** eashoka has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:06:17 cavilling_elite: yes, about an hour to go (hopefully), no limit 2011-10-20T23:06:29 there are a lot in the beta ranks with C++ but i think people use this as an opportunity for a problem to learn a new language 2011-10-20T23:06:47 I hobby in python, so I will be going with that. 2011-10-20T23:06:51 cavilling_elite: yep, I using Go. 2011-10-20T23:06:55 I'm 2011-10-20T23:07:11 I think the biggest challenge is making sure you fit into the timeout clause 2011-10-20T23:07:24 I thought about go but decided to stick with Java 2011-10-20T23:07:30 obviously "winning" aside 2011-10-20T23:07:51 *** rj_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T23:07:57 yeah, I've had to reoptimize my code several times through the beta as I add new features 2011-10-20T23:08:14 same 2011-10-20T23:08:38 working on just that right now. I had two timeouts on big maps this week that I need to get rid of 2011-10-20T23:08:58 aichallenge: Andrew Rossignol * rc8ca253 / (website/map.php website/profile.php): fixed header include when no get variables were specified - http://git.io/gWGFQA 2011-10-20T23:09:01 *** KTWissen has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:09:18 *** smarty has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T23:09:26 I just started writing my spec out. hoping to get something passable by the end of the weekend. 2011-10-20T23:09:30 *** KTWissen has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T23:09:34 reading around it looks like we will have at least a month 2011-10-20T23:11:00 its very cool to have this challenge ... thank you to all who are running it. :-) 2011-10-20T23:11:08 agreed 2011-10-20T23:11:25 thank you for the quick information all. Good luck! I will see you on the battlefields :) 2011-10-20T23:11:35 not if I see you first 2011-10-20T23:11:50 :\ 2011-10-20T23:11:52 *** xymostech has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:11:55 one on one we both die :) 2011-10-20T23:11:57 (sorry) 2011-10-20T23:11:57 gnight 2011-10-20T23:12:06 *** cavilling_elite has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T23:12:18 * jonathanasdf explodes 2011-10-20T23:13:00 amstan: Ok, I have hill support ready, but I'll need to change it if you reject the other pull request, so I'll wait to submit it until that ones done 2011-10-20T23:13:46 Pages have titles now, what do you think? 2011-10-20T23:14:02 ermau: ok, i'm assuming it's tested: https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/pull/304 2011-10-20T23:14:17 aarossig: looks good to me 2011-10-20T23:14:26 aichallenge: Alexandru Stan * r53aae3e / (7 files): 2011-10-20T23:14:26 aichallenge: Merge pull request #304 from ermau/epsilon 2011-10-20T23:14:26 aichallenge: Making the C# sample to be more like C# 2011-10-20T23:14:26 aichallenge: Thanks ~ amstan - http://git.io/2SpLFw 2011-10-20T23:14:57 @launcheta 2011-10-20T23:14:57 Launch ETA 45 minutes and 3 seconds 2011-10-20T23:16:04 amstan: Yeah, the C# stuff is mostly moving stuff, but I've been testing the hill stuff best I can without a test suite 2011-10-20T23:16:56 *** quanticle has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:18:23 ermau: you can run games locally 2011-10-20T23:18:35 amstan: Well yeah, that's what I'm doing ;) 2011-10-20T23:18:38 @launcheta 2011-10-20T23:18:38 Launch ETA 41 minutes and 22 seconds 2011-10-20T23:18:40 quanticle: ^ 2011-10-20T23:18:44 aichallenge: Jeffrey Cameron * r3c49ed5 / website/check_submit.php : 2011-10-20T23:18:44 aichallenge: Changed the message that users see when they submit their code. It used to tell 2011-10-20T23:18:44 aichallenge: them to expect an email about their compile status. since that's not true 2011-10-20T23:18:44 aichallenge: anymore, it now tells them to check their profiles instead. - 2011-10-20T23:18:44 aichallenge: http://git.io/CHaW5Q 2011-10-20T23:18:45 lol time limit coming up quickly are you guys going to be alright? 2011-10-20T23:18:55 jonathanasdf: we're doing pretty well 2011-10-20T23:18:58 ,/join #cobbler 2011-10-20T23:19:01 jonathanasdf: last minute polishing touches 2011-10-20T23:19:03 bah 2011-10-20T23:19:07 j3camero: pulled 2011-10-20T23:19:17 jonathanasdf: all major OMG WHAT IS THIS issues have been solved lol 2011-10-20T23:19:24 lol 2011-10-20T23:19:33 * ermau just prays he's not introducing any :P 2011-10-20T23:19:42 Just fixed an issue where we were blatantly lying to users. That's bad. 2011-10-20T23:19:43 Lot of changes at the last minute :( 2011-10-20T23:20:05 ermau: yeah.. lol 2011-10-20T23:20:10 ermau: I successfully added $title to every page, I haven't touched PHP in 3 years 2011-10-20T23:20:17 it's funny how isset() comes to you 2011-10-20T23:20:19 aarossig: woohoo! 2011-10-20T23:20:23 on EVERY page 2011-10-20T23:20:40 i vote for a cms next year please. :) 2011-10-20T23:20:56 aarossig: but... but this IS a CMS! 2011-10-20T23:21:04 amstan: perhaps it would have been better to have a second sample folder in case this blows up? too late now... 2011-10-20T23:21:08 j3camero: orly? 2011-10-20T23:21:09 j3camero: yeah... right 2011-10-20T23:21:23 amstan: its got user management** and everything! 2011-10-20T23:21:24 j3camero: didn't you say you learned how to write php when you wrote it? 2011-10-20T23:21:33 *** Banduin has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:21:35 After. 2011-10-20T23:21:43 ermau: he tested everything in front of me, so it's all good 2011-10-20T23:21:52 amstan: I was talking about the C# sample :P 2011-10-20T23:22:13 ermau: oh, we can revert the pull then 2011-10-20T23:22:25 or just put on the web separately 2011-10-20T23:22:27 just find the merge commit, git revert commitnumber 2011-10-20T23:22:40 ermau: did you update the starter pack page about it? 2011-10-20T23:22:42 amstan: are the starter package for the Big Four languages more or less working? Do we have some confidence that we won't get massive complaints and discouraged participants? 2011-10-20T23:22:48 amstan: No 2011-10-20T23:22:49 j3camero: yep, check the page 2011-10-20T23:22:52 ermau: please do 2011-10-20T23:22:57 *** Banduin has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T23:23:08 j3camero: What are the 4? 2011-10-20T23:23:09 *** shane__ has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:23:10 j3camero: but C doesn't have it, c++ does 2011-10-20T23:23:21 j3camero: There are no hills in C... they are in C++, but I really think that they should be in C 2011-10-20T23:23:25 @launcheta 2011-10-20T23:23:25 Launch ETA 36 minutes and 35 seconds 2011-10-20T23:23:28 I'm sure this will be taken care of... 2011-10-20T23:23:39 amstan: Should I make it a separate listing as a 'relatively untested' version? 2011-10-20T23:24:06 ermau: nope, it's already done 2011-10-20T23:24:14 doing that entails you need another folder, and that's just complicated 2011-10-20T23:24:18 amstan: I see that we have starter packages, but have you heard from people who have actually used them with minimal problems? 2011-10-20T23:24:37 amstan: oh the website and github are directly linked? 2011-10-20T23:24:41 j3camero: we submitted all of them during beta a few times 2011-10-20T23:24:45 j3camero: not with hills though 2011-10-20T23:24:47 j3camero: we'll hear from them at midnight ;) 2011-10-20T23:24:49 amstan, the cleanup code is taking a bit to test 2011-10-20T23:24:49 armau: C++, Java, C#, and Python. Those four account for some 90% of entries. 2011-10-20T23:24:52 ermau: mostly 2011-10-20T23:24:54 *** dr- has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-10-20T23:24:57 amstan: ah 2011-10-20T23:24:59 I'll have it as soon as I can 2011-10-20T23:25:07 deltree_: it's not urgent, don't worry about it 2011-10-20T23:25:14 i hope.. 2011-10-20T23:25:14 j3camero: C# doesn't have hills, I'm adding them right now, but obviously it won't have had the test time as everything else 2011-10-20T23:25:23 amstan: if a starter package has no hills, does it still pretty much work? 2011-10-20T23:25:29 yes 2011-10-20T23:25:38 Coolio. 2011-10-20T23:25:41 it's a 10 line change to add the hills too, so ... 2011-10-20T23:25:56 well, the basic capture is up 2011-10-20T23:26:03 the next bit is just the button for easy delete 2011-10-20T23:26:08 you just have to merge in my code 2011-10-20T23:26:20 ermau: yes that would be epic. Whenever you think it's pretty smooth and polished, push it over! 2011-10-20T23:26:22 deltree_: did you branch btw? 2011-10-20T23:26:23 *** ianium has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:26:37 yes 2011-10-20T23:26:52 So did we decide who is going to get all the karma? 2011-10-20T23:26:53 I also sent the request to pull 2011-10-20T23:26:56 j3camero: me! 2011-10-20T23:27:05 Any competing offers? 2011-10-20T23:27:08 me! 2011-10-20T23:27:23 (also, what's karma?) 2011-10-20T23:27:24 me! me! me! ( i must win since I said it 3 times) 2011-10-20T23:27:27 We gotta pick one person. Then everyone in here upvotes that post when it shows up. 2011-10-20T23:27:32 the fake one is already #3 2011-10-20T23:27:39 oh, you mean this requires work? 2011-10-20T23:27:39 yeah, I don't care honestly, let amstan have it 2011-10-20T23:27:42 feh! 2011-10-20T23:28:04 amstan: did you need to know anything about hte branch? I really don't know github 2011-10-20T23:28:15 *** Guest35334 has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T23:28:17 deltree_: github has good guides 2011-10-20T23:29:05 did everyone downvote? http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/liz3e/google_ai_challenge_fall_2011_now_open/ 2011-10-20T23:29:06 *** ash0d has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T23:29:24 *** synx` has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:29:26 also.. are we getting redirect code? 2011-10-20T23:30:27 aarossig: nah, too evil 2011-10-20T23:30:41 *** sixthgear has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:30:46 j3camero: what do you think about the redirect? 2011-10-20T23:31:00 The ai-contest.com redirect to aichallenge.org? 2011-10-20T23:31:08 yeah, I suggest we get it. It is not his contest to launch, the name is wrong and it is not open yet. 2011-10-20T23:31:11 j3camero: whenever the refereer is from the fake reddit post, instead of showing them aichallenge.org, show them the real post 2011-10-20T23:31:38 + 2011-10-20T23:31:42 Nah don't do that. 2011-10-20T23:32:05 amstan: j3camero: Sent 2011-10-20T23:32:11 ermau: hmm? 2011-10-20T23:32:16 *** dlila has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:32:16 I think if you've got this kind of platform, you've gotta resist the temptation to use it to massively prank people (ie bully them) 2011-10-20T23:32:17 ant hill support merge 2011-10-20T23:32:27 aichallenge: ermau * r2db30c9 / (6 files): Add hill support - http://git.io/rMlYJw 2011-10-20T23:32:27 aichallenge: ermau * rc3a8833 / website/starter_packages.php : Update website note about C# hills - http://git.io/2qP3mg 2011-10-20T23:32:27 aichallenge: Alexandru Stan * rd84c0b6 / (7 files in 2 dirs): 2011-10-20T23:32:27 aichallenge: Merge pull request #306 from ermau/epsilon 2011-10-20T23:32:28 aichallenge: Add ant hill suppor to C# - http://git.io/0Mie5Q 2011-10-20T23:32:55 *** synx` has quit IRC () 2011-10-20T23:33:04 * ermau prays he didn't miss anything 2011-10-20T23:33:24 ermau: don't worry, no one will come down on you :P 2011-10-20T23:33:29 so.. this is my IRC setup right now... 2011-10-20T23:33:37 I have a server at my house that is running irssi in a screen session 2011-10-20T23:33:51 I have a screen session running on my netbook that is connected to a projector that is connected to my server 2011-10-20T23:33:56 weechat > irssi 2011-10-20T23:34:04 f4hy: can you use it in ssh? 2011-10-20T23:34:06 I am running multi-monitor screen so that I can type on my desktop and have it show on the screen 2011-10-20T23:34:07 aarossig: Yeah I'd just hate for the gates to open and a bunch of people run into a problem trying to use my favorite language because of something I did :P 2011-10-20T23:34:11 ofcourse 2011-10-20T23:34:15 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:34:17 The starter bot runs and all the state looks good but.. never know 2011-10-20T23:34:21 smiley1983: welcome 2011-10-20T23:34:27 weechat? 2011-10-20T23:34:35 I like irssi, what does weechat do? 2011-10-20T23:34:45 It is very similar to weechat, I just think the config and commands are nicer 2011-10-20T23:34:59 i mean weechat is vary similar to irssi 2011-10-20T23:35:03 ah okay 2011-10-20T23:35:10 hmm, nicer commands would be cool 2011-10-20T23:35:13 maybe I'll look into it 2011-10-20T23:35:28 if you already have your irssi set up the way you like it probably not worth it though 2011-10-20T23:35:29 either way.. I've got 3 screen sessions hacked together over 2 networks :P 2011-10-20T23:35:53 *** Acorn has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T23:36:34 *** mleise has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-10-20T23:36:42 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:37:08 *** danielharan has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-20T23:37:15 *** mappum has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:37:18 @launcheta 2011-10-20T23:37:18 Launch ETA 22 minutes and 42 seconds 2011-10-20T23:37:27 im excited! 2011-10-20T23:37:54 So are the tools not available yet? the website said they were in the starter packages, but they weren't 2011-10-20T23:37:59 unless i'm just blind 2011-10-20T23:38:14 *** antiuni has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:38:16 tools are separate from the starter packages 2011-10-20T23:38:30 Where are they? 2011-10-20T23:38:39 Nvm 2011-10-20T23:38:48 Sorry, I need to learn how to read 2011-10-20T23:38:53 mappum: ;-) 2011-10-20T23:39:09 reading is for suckers 2011-10-20T23:39:14 *** Rainydays has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [SeaMonkey 2.4.1/20110928161145]) 2011-10-20T23:39:25 *** jhines0042 has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-10-20T23:39:34 real s just know 2011-10-20T23:39:43 *** quanticle has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-10-20T23:39:57 @launcheta 2011-10-20T23:39:57 Launch ETA 20 minutes and 3 seconds 2011-10-20T23:40:03 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:40:31 @scheduler list 2011-10-20T23:40:31 Zannick: launcheta_r2: "launcheta" 2011-10-20T23:40:41 @scheduler remove launcheta_r2 2011-10-20T23:40:41 Zannick: Ready to serve, my lord. 2011-10-20T23:40:48 @launcheta 2011-10-20T23:40:48 Launch ETA 19 minutes and 12 seconds 2011-10-20T23:42:26 UncleVasya: ready to submit that blog post? 2011-10-20T23:42:36 im unsure what exactly happens at launch 2011-10-20T23:42:47 account registration opens and people can submit code? 2011-10-20T23:42:51 djr_: you can make an account, and submit code! 2011-10-20T23:43:04 *** che has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:43:11 djr_: a mad rush to creat accounts and upload bot code, then we'll see if the site handles the traffic. ;) 2011-10-20T23:43:20 lol 2011-10-20T23:43:24 or that ^ 2011-10-20T23:43:25 i call first account 2011-10-20T23:43:30 dibs 2011-10-20T23:43:30 lol 2011-10-20T23:43:30 *** che is now known as Guest8553 2011-10-20T23:43:42 * AndrewBC bites a dagger and climbs the netting 2011-10-20T23:43:49 not if I be gettin' thar first, arrr 2011-10-20T23:44:12 I've done my part of work. Now Malkavian's turn (when he will wake up). 2011-10-20T23:44:17 *** Arukim has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:44:45 UncleVasya: what time is it for you? 2011-10-20T23:44:49 @launcheta 2011-10-20T23:44:49 Launch ETA 15 minutes and 11 seconds 2011-10-20T23:45:05 My local time? 2011-10-20T23:45:05 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-10-20T23:45:32 UncleVasya: his 2011-10-20T23:45:32 bunch of karma thieves on reddit :P 2011-10-20T23:45:32 *** timporin has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:45:43 135 nicks, a new high 2011-10-20T23:45:50 for the week... lol 2011-10-20T23:45:53 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:45:57 *** rockzombie2 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:45:57 *** goffrie has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:46:05 they keep coming! 2011-10-20T23:46:09 here we go! :) 2011-10-20T23:46:19 and slay radio is tuning in perfectly 2011-10-20T23:46:19 j3camero: is janzert on fire or something? 2011-10-20T23:46:42 janzert: you need to be extinguished? 2011-10-20T23:47:10 I have a question about the playgame script 2011-10-20T23:47:25 btw, I don't see the binding between our post submission and contest start. Maybe he will finish in several hours, maybe in evening. Or maybe he will be busy and I will finish all the work when I come after institute. It's not important. 2011-10-20T23:47:35 there is a --strict option that "enforces valid moves for bots". why wouldnt that be happening already? 2011-10-20T23:47:55 hmm, website doesn't have the C# hill starter yet 2011-10-20T23:47:56 amstan: on fire? 2011-10-20T23:48:01 mappum: i'm not sure, can you ask the forums 2011-10-20T23:48:08 j3camero: yeah, idk, he's been quiet lately 2011-10-20T23:48:19 maybe he's doing postfix stuff 2011-10-20T23:48:20 Yeah. Should probably light up some workers. 2011-10-20T23:48:21 amstan: Ok, thanks 2011-10-20T23:48:21 My time is 6:50 of mourning, his time is 7:50 of mourning. But he had difficult night and I don't know when he will wake up :P 2011-10-20T23:48:39 Also, for the launch, will submissions be open? Or just registration? 2011-10-20T23:48:46 amstan: I think he's wired into configuring email or something. 2011-10-20T23:48:46 @launcheta 2011-10-20T23:48:46 Launch ETA 11 minutes and 14 seconds 2011-10-20T23:48:52 And how does the actual tournament work? (if it is a tournament) 2011-10-20T23:49:03 @launcheta 2011-10-20T23:49:03 Launch ETA 10 minutes and 57 seconds 2011-10-20T23:49:18 I love how people are taking "midnight" really literally, hehe. May or may not be exact. We will do our best. 2011-10-20T23:49:34 man that was a good nap, right on time 2011-10-20T23:49:35 lol 2011-10-20T23:49:43 amstan : Same thing then earlier, I am not sure if you are aware, but the sample code in the first tutorial for Python, doesn't show correctly. " http://aichallenge.org/ants_tutorial_step_1.php " 2011-10-20T23:49:51 j3camero: shouldn't be unsyncd that much 2011-10-20T23:49:53 *** ltriant has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-10-20T23:49:54 *** Guest8553 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T23:50:02 I didn't know about this last year until it was over, thank god for Reddit 2011-10-20T23:50:23 *** ianium has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T23:50:33 @launcheta 2011-10-20T23:50:33 Launch ETA 9 minutes and 27 seconds 2011-10-20T23:50:46 *** spiderx has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:50:52 *** nikkos has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T23:51:03 i brought my noisemakers and party hat guys 2011-10-20T23:51:07 get pumped 2011-10-20T23:51:11 hype 2011-10-20T23:51:14 mappum: the website has lots of great info about how the tournament works, you might want to read: http://aichallenge.org/rules.php 2011-10-20T23:51:14 lol 2011-10-20T23:51:54 We need a New Years style mass countdown 2011-10-20T23:51:57 but in IRC 2011-10-20T23:52:06 3 2 1 kiss me 2011-10-20T23:52:09 D: 2011-10-20T23:52:12 https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/115873714743353346090/albums/5665786101164712033?hl=en 2011-10-20T23:52:12 :D 2011-10-20T23:52:13 *** dvladim has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:52:19 mappum: "midnight" is pretty approximate! 2011-10-20T23:52:23 :/ 2011-10-20T23:52:27 the python tutorial is so broken 2011-10-20T23:52:36 *** VaderSeven has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2011-10-20T23:52:41 aarossig: is that a hackspace somewhere? 2011-10-20T23:52:52 *** VaderSeven has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:52:55 ruser: our office :D (amstan and I) 2011-10-20T23:52:59 How is this "sponsored" by Google? Did they pay for hardware? Is it Googlers running it? 2011-10-20T23:53:05 mappum: payed 2011-10-20T23:53:06 *** plumbium has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:53:09 cool 2011-10-20T23:53:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGijmGbQxWM 2011-10-20T23:53:19 aarossig: that your desk? Nice candle. 2011-10-20T23:53:20 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2011-10-20T23:53:23 So when I win, will I be offered a job? 2011-10-20T23:53:23 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9PMN0nBx8Y 2011-10-20T23:53:27 j3camero: lol yes 2011-10-20T23:53:30 j3camero: cinamon 2011-10-20T23:53:37 j3camero: it's my desk, and amstan's house lol 2011-10-20T23:53:39 Damn. 2011-10-20T23:53:42 a rather unusual combination :P 2011-10-20T23:53:44 I hope more people use golang 2011-10-20T23:53:44 *** rr5 has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-10-20T23:53:46 Gotta get some of that on my desk. 2011-10-20T23:53:52 when you win? thems fightin words 2011-10-20T23:53:53 not to be a language zealot or anything... 2011-10-20T23:53:59 j3camero: some what? 2011-10-20T23:54:10 Cinammon candle. 2011-10-20T23:54:17 damn. 2011-10-20T23:54:17 j3camero: oh baby 2011-10-20T23:54:23 *** dr0b3rts has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-10-20T23:54:33 yeah! 2011-10-20T23:55:07 *** rr5 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:55:48 mmm, this music 2011-10-20T23:55:53 march on, ants 2011-10-20T23:56:03 when i say something here why dont i see the projector scrolling? 2011-10-20T23:56:06 AndrewBC: I made that music :D 2011-10-20T23:56:06 is it broken? 2011-10-20T23:56:13 nice :D 2011-10-20T23:56:14 *** plumbium has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-10-20T23:56:16 mcstar: yeah, try refreshing 2011-10-20T23:56:18 When 2+ ants of different colors come to the food simultaniously, the food is destroyed, right? 2011-10-20T23:56:19 mcstar: yeah.... so I wanted to do this actually 2011-10-20T23:56:25 mcstar: but with a mechanical counter or traffic on the siter 2011-10-20T23:56:29 s/siter/site 2011-10-20T23:56:43 amstan: you probably want to have that reddit post ready to go. I am watching r/programming/new 2011-10-20T23:56:44 mcstar: so we had it going.. but that is just more wires on a desk with too many hours 2011-10-20T23:56:54 "Hi, we are still in beta so don't be surprised for things to change abruptly." ? 2011-10-20T23:57:02 @launcheta 2011-10-20T23:57:02 Launch ETA 2 minutes and 58 seconds 2011-10-20T23:57:04 aarossig: it could do with a bit more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHk42kDwesM 2011-10-20T23:57:05 Oh hey it's Accoun 2011-10-20T23:57:08 :V 2011-10-20T23:57:17 lol 2011-10-20T23:57:46 @launcheta 2011-10-20T23:57:46 Launch ETA 2 minutes and 14 seconds 2011-10-20T23:57:54 *drumroll* 2011-10-20T23:57:57 woo! 2011-10-20T23:58:04 lol 2011-10-20T23:58:05 long drum oll 2011-10-20T23:58:11 whats up with this tutorial man, i gotta put in "self" they leave that out or something? 2011-10-20T23:58:24 spiderx: don't be so egotistical! 2011-10-20T23:58:26 omg i have to pee 2011-10-20T23:58:29 :V 2011-10-20T23:58:30 but now i cant 2011-10-20T23:58:40 sorry Andrew? 2011-10-20T23:58:45 bad pun 2011-10-20T23:58:55 @alias remove launcheta 2011-10-20T23:58:55 amstan: Yep. 2011-10-20T23:59:05 anyone get the tutorial ant to work? the code is all borked on the website 2011-10-20T23:59:05 *** Aperage has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2011-10-20T23:59:06 you're all worried about your "self" ;x get it? 2011-10-20T23:59:16 @launcheta 2011-10-20T23:59:17 aarossig: User error, it's not my fault. 2011-10-20T23:59:24 lol 2011-10-20T23:59:28 the python one 2011-10-20T23:59:29 Spiderx : Check the source code, it works that way. 2011-10-20T23:59:33 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2011-10-20T23:59:41 so we're up? 2011-10-20T23:59:49 deltree_: nope