2011-12-23T00:00:04 Scryer: anyway, good reminder that it's the journey, not the destination 2011-12-23T00:01:32 sigmas are low enough now it hardly matters what the game outcome is 2011-12-23T00:02:22 wow pguillory and I both botched his hill in the last game 2011-12-23T00:02:39 we both abandoned it :) 2011-12-23T00:02:55 *** TheLinker has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-23T00:03:05 BenJackson: actually it was a really good comp, there were probably about 4000 or 5000 entries that had some respectable work put into them. I wish I got into it sooner 2011-12-23T00:03:41 You think only 3000 real entries? 2011-12-23T00:03:55 well, go to page 30 of the rankings 2011-12-23T00:03:57 watch a few games 2011-12-23T00:04:01 I thought those were starters 2011-12-23T00:04:21 behavior at 2000 is clearly different, I was guessing tutorial because I saw 8 player games near 2000 where everyone did basically the same (non-starter) thing 2011-12-23T00:05:30 BenJackson: ouch that one hurt to watch 2011-12-23T00:06:55 BJ doesn't see PG's hill, though, does he? Or is that one you figure out by symmetry or "intuited ants"? 2011-12-23T00:07:14 no, I don't think I saw it, but I didn't check 2011-12-23T00:08:31 Yeah, now I look at the ones around 2500 there are heaps of bugs in there. OK, I'll call it 2000 real entries 2011-12-23T00:09:43 BenJackson: the tutorial logic is pretty good 2011-12-23T00:09:48 but it doesn't have pathfinding 2011-12-23T00:10:13 it basically does 'gather food' -> 'attack hills' -> 'explore' with all non-idle ants 2011-12-23T00:10:33 so it doesn't cover explored area, but it's somewhat sane 2011-12-23T00:10:42 I didn't do the tutorial 2011-12-23T00:11:00 I did - I started in python and I just decided to do it 2011-12-23T00:11:02 but what I observed when I looked was such similar behavior it's hard to attribute that to a pattern among people who were obviously new at this 2011-12-23T00:11:04 I regret starting in python though 2011-12-23T00:11:37 wasted a few weeks trying to get it fast 2011-12-23T00:11:49 I considered using haskell but the ghc version was ancient - so I ended up having to learn c++ :P 2011-12-23T00:12:00 http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=323419&user=1204 2011-12-23T00:12:09 That's a simple but effective strategy 2011-12-23T00:12:35 Kettling: when I first started, I uploaded a tutorial bot with pathfinding (in python) 2011-12-23T00:12:39 got to the top 100 2011-12-23T00:12:45 that's awesome 2011-12-23T00:12:46 it would probably be around rank 300-500 now 2011-12-23T00:12:53 I mean Kettling's post 2011-12-23T00:12:56 yeah 2011-12-23T00:13:05 simple strategy can be very effective though 2011-12-23T00:13:42 *** googlebuzz has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T00:14:27 so that's 1926, probably a good measure of where the cutoff is 2011-12-23T00:14:42 greedybot finishes at 2564, lower than I thought 2011-12-23T00:15:09 oh right, greedybot times out 2011-12-23T00:15:09 greedybot just has serious timeout issues 2011-12-23T00:15:13 it should be higher :P 2011-12-23T00:16:01 games are coming so fast now 2011-12-23T00:16:02 zoomo 2011-12-23T00:16:27 BenJackson: yeah, every time I refresh I'm in a new game... 2011-12-23T00:16:28 fail % way down now that we're in the top 1000 2011-12-23T00:16:48 does fail % mean an incomplete game? 2011-12-23T00:16:57 <_flag> runevision is an interesting entry -- pretty much the only top entry that I don't at least recognize 2011-12-23T00:16:58 like, 'ants not razing hills', etc. 2011-12-23T00:17:33 huh 2011-12-23T00:17:38 http://blog.runevision.com/ 2011-12-23T00:17:47 I almost wonder if the right strategy was to optimize for these lopsided games 2011-12-23T00:17:56 when someone dives on my hill and loses theirs they place ahead of me 2011-12-23T00:18:18 aww, so he's not related to runescape 2011-12-23T00:18:44 <_flag> thesinger: Wow, he's written a lot 2011-12-23T00:18:54 <_flag> I really need to get to work :) 2011-12-23T00:20:06 http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=317868&user=12304 2011-12-23T00:20:33 his goals thing is quite similar to my bot, but I never got it working right for defense/boundaries 2011-12-23T00:20:37 There's a basic greedy algorithm without the timeouts and just spreads by diffusion (perhaps some anti-clumping system as well) 2011-12-23T00:20:41 runevision> Sometimes, however - sometimes an idea turns out to be a significant improvement. By significant I mean that the new version consistently beat the previous version - as in 10 out of 10 times. Those times when I've managed to make such an improvement have been the most satisfying moments of this competition. 2011-12-23T00:20:45 I agree with that 2011-12-23T00:21:09 Does well for growth, no combat smarts, and no aggresion 2011-12-23T00:22:46 lol, my last game increased my by 0.04, the one before was -0.04 2011-12-23T00:22:57 s/my/mu/ 2011-12-23T00:23:02 yeah, I had a win against a bunch of bots ranked above me and that was +.37 2011-12-23T00:23:07 so things are not going anywhere drastic at this poitn 2011-12-23T00:25:42 _flag: you publish your algorithm? 2011-12-23T00:26:16 <_flag> Belerafon_L: I'm planning to do it really soon along with a video and a write up, I'm trying to get the video working now 2011-12-23T00:26:31 contestbot: later tell janzert I enabled ants.aichallenge.org and i made the server redirect it to the main site for now. Any ideas how we can spread the word about it for permanent links? 2011-12-23T00:26:31 amstan_: OK 2011-12-23T00:26:50 _flag: video? With comments? 2011-12-23T00:26:57 *** dr0b3rts has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T00:27:11 <_flag> Belerafon_L: Yes, hopefully it will work out, I'm planning to try a little commentary 2011-12-23T00:27:34 <_flag> Right now I'm trying to modify the output of a game to show the paths my ants are taking and other information 2011-12-23T00:27:43 <_flag> But it's a little tricky to put it into video form 2011-12-23T00:29:23 The article is preferable, not all players know english so good to to perceive information by ear... 2011-12-23T00:29:31 <_flag> I'm going to do both 2011-12-23T00:29:51 *** AndrewBC_ is now known as AndrewBC 2011-12-23T00:30:01 <_flag> Video is introductory information about the ants contest in general, article is for specific information 2011-12-23T00:30:31 <_flag> That's assuming I can get the video to work out okay, otherwise I'll just post the article 2011-12-23T00:33:30 Post it on youtube 2011-12-23T00:34:14 <_flag> That's the plan 2011-12-23T00:34:25 *** Zaphus has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T00:34:44 that's it.. i'm subscribing to that runevision blog 2011-12-23T00:34:47 it has interesting stuff 2011-12-23T00:36:19 *** u_ has quit IRC (Quit: u_) 2011-12-23T00:37:41 *** pguillory has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T00:38:49 contestbot: seen j3camero 2011-12-23T00:38:49 amstan_: j3camero was last seen in #aichallenge 3 hours, 36 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: Some of the game ideas on the forums are awesome. 2011-12-23T00:38:56 really.. 2011-12-23T00:39:00 *** amstan_ is now known as amstan\ 2011-12-23T00:39:02 yeah, he was here asking about game ideas 2011-12-23T00:39:02 *** amstan\ is now known as amstan 2011-12-23T00:40:08 *** AndrewBC has left #aichallenge 2011-12-23T00:42:13 *** delineate has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T00:43:45 contestbot: later tell janzert http://forums.aichallenge.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2128#p13846 2011-12-23T00:43:45 amstan: Yep. 2011-12-23T00:43:50 contestbot: later tell mcleopold http://forums.aichallenge.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2128#p13846 2011-12-23T00:43:50 amstan: Aye, aye, sir 2011-12-23T00:46:23 *** ChrisH_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T00:47:16 *** avdg has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-12-23T00:48:28 Not a very satisfying victory: http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=331374&user=398 2011-12-23T00:48:34 contestbot: jump me up 10 points for programming in notepad+ 2011-12-23T00:48:35 roflmao: I'm sorry Dave, err roflmao; I cannot 'jump'. 2011-12-23T00:50:17 I read runevision's blog. I'm wonder what he prefers exploration instead of enemy ants goals. I has try this and all my ants went deep into enemy teritory and have die there... 2011-12-23T00:52:05 Oh, maybe "maxdist" parameter normalizes it. 2011-12-23T01:00:13 *** Belerafon_L has quit IRC (Quit: Belerafon_L) 2011-12-23T01:00:36 *** ChrisH_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T01:04:48 Top 10 still congealing: https://gist.github.com/1512777 2011-12-23T01:05:46 still a lot of churn going on 2011-12-23T01:07:38 *** moxian has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T01:13:47 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T01:16:50 *** Zaphus has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T01:21:00 *** grc48 has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2011-12-23T01:21:32 http://tcpants.com/ranking lets play 2011-12-23T01:31:00 *** pguillory has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T01:31:55 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC () 2011-12-23T01:32:06 *** Scryer has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-23T01:36:03 Current goal, beat BenJackson 2011-12-23T01:36:45 curse that timeout where I was beating you 1v1 2011-12-23T01:37:24 Yeah just saw that was from a timeout 2011-12-23T01:37:30 Not nearly as satisfying 2011-12-23T01:37:44 so it's unanimous: no one is satisfied with that game 2011-12-23T01:37:45 My bot should not be ranked this high 2011-12-23T01:37:52 Yep 2011-12-23T01:38:03 u both have 2nd grade bots 2011-12-23T01:38:07 Ill give you that win in realness 2011-12-23T01:38:24 Accoun: whatever 2011-12-23T01:38:31 http://tcpants.com/ranking lets play 2011-12-23T01:38:38 Accoun: how old are you? 2011-12-23T01:38:41 @fight xathis Accoun 2011-12-23T01:38:44 because I can't decide if you're drunk or 14 2011-12-23T01:38:46 thestinger: Accoun: 406000, xathis: 3860 2011-12-23T01:39:04 im 66666 y old and live in hell 2011-12-23T01:39:29 coming killer ants invasion from hell 2011-12-23T01:40:45 Accoun: what's your name on the site? 2011-12-23T01:40:57 im not post on it 2011-12-23T01:41:15 why? did you start after the contest ended? 2011-12-23T01:41:24 s/contest/submissions/ 2011-12-23T01:41:27 *** moxian has left #aichallenge 2011-12-23T01:41:31 Accoun decided he dislikes us too much to actually submit 2011-12-23T01:41:41 That or his bot didn't run or timed out 2011-12-23T01:41:57 contest game server radicaly clower than desctop, i don keep enought time to meke special version for it 2011-12-23T01:41:57 BenJackson: there _are_ drunk 14 year olds, you know... 2011-12-23T01:42:09 I'm not ruling it out 2011-12-23T01:42:20 contest game server radicaly slower than desctop, i dont keep enought time to meke special version for it 2011-12-23T01:42:20 He didn't say XOR 2011-12-23T01:42:31 oh, true. 2011-12-23T01:42:37 the missing 't' 2011-12-23T01:42:39 is unsettling 2011-12-23T01:42:44 each time i see his name pop up on irc 2011-12-23T01:42:57 I have to get rid of the t on this damn iPad 2011-12-23T01:43:43 _contest_game_server_ radicaly slower than desctop, i dont keep enought time to meke special version for it 2011-12-23T01:44:41 contest game server enforces 0.5 Sec per turn and the tcp servers doesnt 2011-12-23T01:44:52 We saw it the first time, stop spamming the channel 2011-12-23T01:44:57 tcp servers does some 2011-12-23T01:45:16 Accoun: 5 seconds 2011-12-23T01:45:16 on http://tcpants.com .5 .5 timouts 2011-12-23T01:45:25 it tells you 500ms, but it doesn't enforce that 2011-12-23T01:45:39 time your turns and print it out 2011-12-23T01:45:42 in fact _contest_game_server_ radicaly slower than desctop 2011-12-23T01:45:52 so you may actually be using the whole of 5 sec, who knows 2011-12-23T01:46:10 use 5 sec i want 2011-12-23T01:46:23 http://tcpants.com ply on it 2011-12-23T01:46:29 use 5 sec if want 2011-12-23T01:46:57 now that the contest is over, I dont gain anything winning/losing to you 2011-12-23T01:47:20 u dont want for it 2011-12-23T01:47:33 Many people wrote their strategies with the time limit in mind and actually run in the required time limits 2011-12-23T01:47:59 Your claims of second rate bots are nonsense sisal when your bot doesn't work with the given constraints 2011-12-23T01:48:12 im don trust to this canadian it 2nd reson to don post bot 2011-12-23T01:48:15 im don trust to this canadian it 2nd reson to dont post bot 2011-12-23T01:48:19 im dont trust to this canadian it 2nd reson to dont post bot 2011-12-23T01:49:02 you don't trust canadians? 2011-12-23T01:49:19 He thinks janzert is Canadian 2011-12-23T01:49:50 amstan is 2011-12-23T01:49:56 Yes 2011-12-23T01:50:05 He hates us all 2011-12-23T01:50:19 omg! new accoun word 2011-12-23T01:50:26 i didn't know he could say "radically" 2011-12-23T01:51:01 "radically" = 9x slower 2011-12-23T01:51:20 Accoun: you don't even have a bot, why do you care? 2011-12-23T01:51:30 http://tcpants.com/player/Accoun20201 2011-12-23T01:51:32 *** TL_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T01:51:35 Ams tan he does, it d 2011-12-23T01:51:38 i don care 2011-12-23T01:51:41 i dont care 2011-12-23T01:51:46 Just doesn't work with the given constraints 2011-12-23T01:52:03 Antimatroid: maybe :), 21.12.2011 22:22:03 2011-12-23T01:52:03 im dont trust to this canadian it 2nd reson to dont post bot 2011-12-23T01:52:05 Accoun: then why do you keep bothering us in here then? if you don't like it, please go make your own contest 2011-12-23T01:52:15 Accoun: the code is opensource, go right ahead 2011-12-23T01:52:25 Antimatroid: first games on tcp with the good version are from after the submissions were closed 2011-12-23T01:52:28 i have some ok contest it http://tcpants.com/ 2011-12-23T01:52:32 so people had posted source 2011-12-23T01:54:45 *** Areks has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T01:54:51 I don't doubt it being his bot 2011-12-23T01:55:20 Accoun: did you submit any versions to the official site? 2011-12-23T01:56:08 Acooun you should get over the idea of the contest being rigged and try to get along with people, you have shown in all contests you can write a good bot yet you insist on insulting people, it's tiresome and annoying 2011-12-23T01:59:07 thestinger> dont 2011-12-23T01:59:37 you must have, otherwise how would you know how slow it is? 2011-12-23T01:59:37 *** grc48 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T02:00:27 i can give .exe 2011-12-23T02:00:59 *** roflmao has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-12-23T02:03:35 Accoun: oh man.. you didn't even make it in the 100s 2011-12-23T02:04:35 Accoun: so you are compeeting then 2011-12-23T02:06:54 *** erdman has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T02:08:20 Simplex? 2011-12-23T02:08:58 a1k0n> ? 2011-12-23T02:09:05 a1k0n> to me question? 2011-12-23T02:10:10 nevermind 2011-12-23T02:16:17 what might actually be a fun thing to do would be combining top bots into one mind by running them in parallel and choosing moves based on some criteria. too bad most bots probably have state and would freak out when their will is not done. ;) 2011-12-23T02:17:09 Accoun: also.. why did you make 2 accounts? what was wrong with the first one? 2011-12-23T02:20:16 *** proto_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T02:21:02 he spying.... 2011-12-23T02:21:04 oh crap, playing in another game 2011-12-23T02:21:35 Accoun: amstan works for CSIS, it's his job to spy on and persecute non-Canadians 2011-12-23T02:22:23 the least he could have done is use another ip to connect to it 2011-12-23T02:22:25 *** moxian has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T02:23:13 awww, died to ChrisH and lost 0.02 mu 2011-12-23T02:23:56 *** NotABug has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T02:27:57 *** erdman has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T02:32:34 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T02:34:09 Accoun: are you still playing on the tcp server? 2011-12-23T02:34:40 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) 2011-12-23T02:42:15 *** grc48 has left #aichallenge ("Leaving") 2011-12-23T02:43:19 yes 2011-12-23T02:43:49 thestinger> hate em 2011-12-23T02:46:07 red and blue aren't getting any games against you 2011-12-23T02:46:50 the tcp server really needs matchmaking next time... 2011-12-23T02:54:03 *** Enter has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T02:56:37 *** Paradoxial has quit IRC (Quit: :) 2011-12-23T03:00:09 *** aerique has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T03:00:49 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-23T03:05:32 *** analyst74 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T03:07:34 *** pguillory has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T03:07:42 *** analyst74 has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-12-23T03:12:08 *** Murashka has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T03:12:13 thestinger> http://tcpants.com/replay.1419 2011-12-23T03:12:38 333333 Total games played 2011-12-23T03:12:48 *** porco` has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T03:14:13 *** Belerafon_L has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T03:14:26 *** meduza_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-23T03:14:44 *** meduza_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T03:15:26 *** moxian has left #aichallenge 2011-12-23T03:16:56 *** porco`` has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T03:16:57 *** Westicles has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T03:17:09 *** porco` has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-23T03:17:12 need beter logistic 2011-12-23T03:18:44 bqf: I posted in the forum about that 2011-12-23T03:19:35 *** Westicles has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T03:20:23 *** itzkow has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T03:20:28 argh, the matchmaker needs to make some matches that would actually decide some of the tight races 2011-12-23T03:20:33 rather than these noise matches 2011-12-23T03:21:05 http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=333313&user=2255 I think the matchmaker hates me :) 2011-12-23T03:22:57 I thikn my final place is going to come down to whatever happens in the last game or two 2011-12-23T03:23:01 because the skills are so tight 2011-12-23T03:23:13 but maybe the moves will be super small by then 2011-12-23T03:23:19 Yeah last games have more value 2011-12-23T03:23:42 no matter how many games will be played 2011-12-23T03:23:42 I think I'm going to drop down to 45 2011-12-23T03:27:54 *** hacklash has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T03:28:05 thestinger: don't worry, if you do I'll play you on tcpants 2011-12-23T03:28:21 *** Jak_o_Shadows has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-23T03:30:57 I've noticed something weird about the server playing games. One bot which looks like it should be playing better than the starter bot(http://aichallenge.org/profile.php?user=9974) is actually ranked lower than a starter bot(http://aichallenge.org/profile.php?user=1818 for example) but it doesn't look like either will be playing any more games. Why did this happen? Is it the effect of timeouts? 2011-12-23T03:32:15 *** Blkt has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T03:34:42 I just realized I won xathis at night 1v1 :) now I'm satisfied 2011-12-23T03:34:45 http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=329393&user=12017 2011-12-23T03:36:36 even though I dropped like 10 places overnight 2011-12-23T03:39:24 hacklash: it depends on how that bot is playing 2011-12-23T03:39:39 hacklash: if he sucks at defending his hill, he would be ranked lower than starter bots 2011-12-23T03:40:19 wait, why? Starter bots don't defend their own hill at all either 2011-12-23T03:42:38 thestinger: who are you there? 2011-12-23T03:43:08 hacklash: perhaps they did better in that regard somehow than this bot 2011-12-23T03:44:00 are you sure it isn't the fact that he times out sometimes? 2011-12-23T03:44:42 what i mean is, isn't timing out probably a larger factor? 2011-12-23T03:44:55 maybe 2011-12-23T03:45:01 i think you get a penality if you timeout 2011-12-23T03:45:17 in the ranking algorithm? 2011-12-23T03:45:27 since starter bots don't time out so often on normal maps, he would be ranked lower 2011-12-23T03:46:12 ok, this makes what I was trying to do harder .... 2011-12-23T03:46:56 I wanted to figure out how many people competed with a bot of their own creation and not just the starter bot, hmmmmm 2011-12-23T03:47:24 mcleopold has looked into that 2011-12-23T03:47:32 Belerafon_L: strcat 2011-12-23T03:47:32 he can get you a list of hashes of the bots 2011-12-23T03:47:51 ooh.ok cool. you can do this because you can see the source right? 2011-12-23T03:48:04 yes 2011-12-23T03:48:16 that would be cool. How should i get that from him? 2011-12-23T03:48:19 hacklash: ask him in a few days, he might be able to help you 2011-12-23T03:48:42 thanks, I'll keep that in mind. 2011-12-23T03:50:05 thestinger: normal battle, nothing wrong... 2011-12-23T03:50:42 Also, I was interested in doing some meta-analysis of the contest. What is the etiquette on scraping the website? Or is there a better way to get the info? 2011-12-23T03:51:13 hacklash: we'll try keeping it archived 2011-12-23T03:51:18 hacklash: the source code is also open 2011-12-23T03:51:38 hacklash: if you're nice, i can probably get you sql queries executed 2011-12-23T03:51:43 on the database 2011-12-23T03:52:17 hacklash: unfortunatelly i can't give you access to the bots themselves, that's up to the bot owners 2011-12-23T03:52:57 could i get a copy of the database after the contest is over? i only want game results, replays, and final rankings 2011-12-23T03:53:19 if you can get me sql queries to copy only the stuff you need, sure 2011-12-23T03:53:23 running sql queries would work ... 2011-12-23T03:53:32 ok 2011-12-23T03:53:39 as for replays.. they're all available through http 2011-12-23T03:53:54 but you'll have to wait for the sql for a list of them 2011-12-23T03:53:55 i'll do some tinkering with the server code on my local machine 2011-12-23T03:54:30 and see if I can make some sql queries 2011-12-23T03:54:34 thanks 2011-12-23T03:57:46 is a message through irc the best way to get ahold of you and McLeopold, or could I email you? 2011-12-23T03:58:23 not that I have either of your email addresses ... 2011-12-23T04:07:41 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T04:07:44 *** scribble has quit IRC () 2011-12-23T04:10:53 *** Surya has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T04:12:11 *** kilae has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T04:13:19 *** teapot_moxian has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T04:14:33 *** Areks has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2011-12-23T04:15:08 *** g0llum has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T04:15:08 *** ZenWraithBot has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T04:15:14 *** hacklash has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T04:18:27 *** praveen has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T04:24:35 http://tcpants.com/ lets play 2011-12-23T04:28:27 *** Murashka has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T04:29:55 *** teapotahedron_ko has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T04:30:15 what tools (if any) do people prefer for unit testing C++? 2011-12-23T04:30:38 unit test units 2011-12-23T04:32:28 is that the name of a tool? not very googlable 2011-12-23T04:33:53 *** Areks has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T04:34:35 You question is not clear too 2011-12-23T04:34:35 perl 2011-12-23T04:35:17 stil not tool what write programm for u 2011-12-23T04:35:23 stil no tool what write programm for u 2011-12-23T04:37:37 I just want to know what people who unit test their C++ code prefer to use to that end 2011-12-23T04:39:33 maybe cppunit, maybe something else, maybe nothing at all 2011-12-23T04:41:47 im unit test 2011-12-23T04:41:52 using perl 2011-12-23T04:42:05 on out test files 2011-12-23T04:42:11 FC.exe 2011-12-23T04:42:15 *** Westicles has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T04:42:18 in out test files 2011-12-23T04:42:23 me dampls 2011-12-23T04:42:26 mem dampls 2011-12-23T04:42:31 mem damps 2011-12-23T04:43:55 do you call c++ functions from perl or just the compiled binary? 2011-12-23T04:44:42 and do you use any perl libraries made for unit testing? 2011-12-23T04:45:44 http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=334404&user=757 uh, for the first time i see a timeout (and also errorlogs.. turn 134 took 56ms, turn 135 took 467ms...) 2011-12-23T04:47:17 funny that they didn't take your hills 2011-12-23T04:48:29 http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=334106&user=2255 lol, my defenders are so stupid 2011-12-23T04:48:54 at least I won a few recent games :) 2011-12-23T04:49:23 anyway my defense screwed me over on that map 2011-12-23T04:49:33 all those enemies close to the hill at the start stopped foragers from being sent out 2011-12-23T04:49:47 http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=332705&user=757 here too, timeout but didn't really loose much... it seems that my time checker failed, before timing out i was hitting 450ms, maybe i left too little time for end phase (20ms) 2011-12-23T04:50:05 end phase is printing out orders? 2011-12-23T04:50:09 yeah 2011-12-23T04:50:16 the engine pauses for 10ms between each 100 moves 2011-12-23T04:50:28 what 2011-12-23T04:50:33 yeah... 2011-12-23T04:50:40 sec lemme find the code 2011-12-23T04:50:42 i had over 200 ants at that moment 2011-12-23T04:50:45 FFFFFUUUUUCK 2011-12-23T04:52:00 weird, the git repo has a strange directory structure 2011-12-23T04:52:36 Fluxid: https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/blob/epsilon/worker/engine.py#L351 2011-12-23T04:52:48 https://github.com/fluxid/flantob/blob/master/src/flantob/game.py#L335 no, i leave about 30ms but combat could still could "spike" at the end, taking more time than predicted 2011-12-23T04:52:56 time.sleep(0.01) 2011-12-23T04:53:14 daaaaamn, why not 0.001 2011-12-23T04:53:56 when I was using a timer (to use up the whole turn) I was still getting timeouts occasionally due to output 2011-12-23T04:54:03 even with 50ms to output orders 2011-12-23T04:54:04 i didn't even think to look at engine code, i could make the time margin more dynamic 2011-12-23T04:54:23 oh well 2011-12-23T04:54:40 i won't be high in rankings anyway so it doesn't matter 2011-12-23T04:54:49 around 70th 2011-12-23T04:55:02 uh, 80th 2011-12-23T04:55:33 I lost :( 2011-12-23T04:55:46 my dropped 0.01, but sigma also dropped 0.01 so... I gained skill 2011-12-23T04:55:56 I guess the rankings will be pretty much frozen soon 2011-12-23T04:55:58 i'm surprised how different ranking is from what it was before finals... but i probably shouldn't be 2011-12-23T04:56:39 Fluxid: I got to rank 11-15 (stable in that range) about a week before the finals 2011-12-23T04:56:53 and now ~30? 2011-12-23T04:56:59 yeah 2011-12-23T04:57:01 30-40 2011-12-23T04:57:21 also, wtf, nick i don't know from before... runevision? 2011-12-23T04:57:30 yeah, and he has a blog 2011-12-23T04:57:40 http://blog.runevision.com/ 2011-12-23T04:58:31 professional game engine developer :) 2011-12-23T04:58:37 i know most nicks but runevision is new to me 2011-12-23T04:58:38 so... yeah 2011-12-23T04:58:55 but still, Memetix is my favourite player 2011-12-23T04:59:07 _flag! 2011-12-23T04:59:13 he killed me so many times on tcp 2011-12-23T04:59:18 flag is awesome too 2011-12-23T04:59:23 those must be geniuses 2011-12-23T04:59:55 http://runevision.com/cv/ yeah, lots of experience with this stuff 2011-12-23T05:00:03 flag is 16, and memetix is a psychoterapist and learned java just to code pacman bot and ant bot 2011-12-23T05:00:15 fucking awesome 2011-12-23T05:00:17 lol, yeah 2011-12-23T05:00:50 I wish I started programming earlier 2011-12-23T05:01:59 ;) 2011-12-23T05:04:14 I also hadn't noticed teapotahedron before the finals 2011-12-23T05:05:13 Kurnevsky, wg_ash, crispy, r40n, WildUtah, T_and_B, mahrz, etc. 2011-12-23T05:05:24 lots of new names I haven't seen before near the top 2011-12-23T05:05:37 well 2011-12-23T05:05:41 those are the C++11 rankings 2011-12-23T05:05:43 xD 2011-12-23T05:05:52 whoops... 2011-12-23T05:06:35 thought something crazy happened, but it was just my brain being silly 2011-12-23T05:09:26 *** Areks has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2011-12-23T05:11:45 *** fab has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T05:12:46 *** kilae has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 8.0/20111104165243]) 2011-12-23T05:14:18 anyone on tcpants? 2011-12-23T05:15:03 ^^ trying to get starter bot to not timeout 2011-12-23T05:21:21 *** Antimatroid has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T05:24:43 Janzert : I don't know if it's easy to implement, but for the next contest, it could be interesting to have performance info about user like : "Average computation time per game - Average of the max turn memory used per game" and stuff like that. 2011-12-23T05:25:52 I know a friend who goes up to 500 mo per game. He said the spec say no more than Xgo so he didn't care about finding the leak! 2011-12-23T05:26:09 http://aichallenge.org/profile.php?user=2066 watch that profile, it's his lucky day ;) 2011-12-23T05:26:41 The "I know a friend" sounds a lot like I'm talking about me, but I'm really not :) 2011-12-23T05:27:02 Yeah, cutoff is like Damocles sword, but he stays alive :) 2011-12-23T05:27:41 he just got bumped up into the top 1000 and had only 59 games so is now getting caught up to the 85 games everyone else in top 1000 has 2011-12-23T05:27:58 so long as he keeps winning them at least 2011-12-23T05:28:03 hehe 2011-12-23T05:28:13 Btw, is there a new cutoff stage scheduled? 2011-12-23T05:28:32 yep, it will start pretty soon here 2011-12-23T05:28:42 Towards which amount? 2011-12-23T05:28:45 probably take a stop at 750 first 2011-12-23T05:28:46 500? 2011-12-23T05:28:48 ok 2011-12-23T05:28:58 just to make sure everything is going ok 2011-12-23T05:29:19 that guy's a pivot imo 2011-12-23T05:29:20 so long as it all looks good there it'll then go to 500 fairly quickly after taht 2011-12-23T05:29:23 yeah, there's not point to rush it. Since game rate is already quite good 2011-12-23T05:30:24 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T05:30:48 Do you have a game number objective in mind? Or is it more about finding a converging rank pos per user? 2011-12-23T05:31:02 for? 2011-12-23T05:31:09 For the end of the challenge 2011-12-23T05:32:17 My target has been 200 games for the top bots by the end while giving the rest as many games as possible, but I've never been sure we could make it 2011-12-23T05:32:27 ok 2011-12-23T05:32:36 do a cutoff of 250~~~~ 2011-12-23T05:34:13 there can be up to 430 players in game at any one point and there are frequently 500 paired at a given time 2011-12-23T05:34:28 I'm 180, oscillating between 170 & 250 .. this cutoff is scary when it comes towards you :) 2011-12-23T05:34:38 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-23T05:35:06 so going below 500 players would start cutting into the overall game rate and not give the remaining bots any more games anyway 2011-12-23T05:36:06 so sick I'm 563 :(\ 2011-12-23T05:36:08 Hum, so the game rate will never be more than twice the current one. I see. The 200 games will be tough to reach, but if it's 180 I guess we could state it as "stabilized" :) 2011-12-23T05:36:43 I think it will oscillate forever anyway 2011-12-23T05:37:13 yeah, even though 200 has been my goal anything over 100 I'm happy with 2011-12-23T05:37:21 I just hope I will have prefered maps & opponents at the end 2011-12-23T05:37:22 which we definitely should make 2011-12-23T05:37:30 Yep 2011-12-23T05:43:42 *** mj41 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T05:44:26 janzert: ah, ok, that makes sense 2011-12-23T05:46:40 multiplayer maps (>4) add a lot of randomness to the competition: take 8 similar bots in the same map, multiple times, and they'll be shuffling forever 2011-12-23T05:47:36 *** sashaSochka has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T05:47:38 proto_: if they're big maps I don't think it's that bad 2011-12-23T05:51:11 it depends too much on your neighbors, and combined strategies 2011-12-23T05:51:55 *** teapot_moxian has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-12-23T05:52:05 just see where top bots use to fail 2011-12-23T05:53:54 cutoff going to 750 arrives at 7am EST ~1 hour 2011-12-23T05:56:58 Wouldn't be more fair to have an average skill over the last, let's say 50 games. Rather than stop at one point? (I know it's too late and people wouldn't like that, but it sounds more fair to me) 2011-12-23T05:57:11 +it 2011-12-23T05:57:54 since it's oscillating 2011-12-23T05:58:04 and not going towards a fixed point. 2011-12-23T05:59:41 *** TL_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T05:59:45 it probably is converging, but convergence at that level of detail takes at least 1000's or 10000 2011-12-23T05:59:47 *** olexs has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T06:00:01 err, 10000's of games 2011-12-23T06:00:08 yeah, i got it ;) 2011-12-23T06:00:25 it's something chess and go bot developers deal with all the time 2011-12-23T06:01:11 Oh, I see. How precise is the sigma value? Is it supposed to go to 0 if we had 10000 games? 2011-12-23T06:01:33 Only .XX are displayed. 2011-12-23T06:02:18 *** Kurnevsky has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T06:03:45 good day everyone 2011-12-23T06:04:01 yeah, the precision stored is much greater of course. I'm not actually sure what sigma would be by the time you got to 10,000 games certainly it wouldn't be 0 and should never actually get to zero. The reality also is that this trueskill implementation at least may not converge because of precision issues. 2011-12-23T06:05:35 * janzert wave to Blkt 2011-12-23T06:05:40 waves even 2011-12-23T06:05:59 :D 2011-12-23T06:06:58 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T06:13:24 aichallenge: janzert epsilon * r4a85222 / manager/matchup_buffer.py : Lower buffer size to try and avoid running out of players to pair with a 500 player cutoff - http://git.io/8_PSyg 2011-12-23T06:15:57 *** fab has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T06:21:54 *** mleise has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-12-23T06:29:12 *** Surya has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T06:36:23 grr, why did my "next game in" message for players outside the cutoff break 2011-12-23T06:36:54 *** grc48 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T06:38:47 *** Anilm3 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T06:43:50 janzert: now cutoff go to 500 2011-12-23T06:44:07 just 750 at the moment 2011-12-23T06:44:16 but probably 500 soon after 2011-12-23T06:46:23 aichallenge: janzert epsilon * r04525dd / website/profile.php : Use the numeric user rank to check if they are in the cutoff - http://git.io/iqAU5A 2011-12-23T06:47:41 that's better :} 2011-12-23T06:48:01 *** meduza has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T06:53:03 *** flowenol has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T06:54:40 *** creation has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T06:55:55 *** creation has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-12-23T06:57:41 *** bearoff_w has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T06:58:12 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T07:02:51 44 servers... 2011-12-23T07:03:28 *** teapot_moxian has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T07:07:39 *** xathis has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T07:09:22 *** meduza__ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T07:10:01 *** TwistedLogic has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T07:10:12 janzert: i timeouted twice in the 3 recent games, what are you doing to the servers? ;) 2011-12-23T07:10:59 *** meduza has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T07:14:51 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-12-23T07:15:00 oh boy, what is happening. every time i enter my profile i'm in the game? 2011-12-23T07:15:51 http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=335949&user=757 BLOCK ALL THE HILLS 2011-12-23T07:16:52 http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=335640&user=757 i like how my defence switch to offence after my hill gets razed 2011-12-23T07:17:06 haven't touched 'em :/ 2011-12-23T07:21:16 *** FranPeruzzi has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T07:24:47 *** Manwe56 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T07:25:08 *** ikaros has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T07:25:11 janzert: how about making aichallenge with some kind of simplifed robotic simulation? for example we have "robots" which only know where is north and 64 "distances" around them (no absolute position, no relative position to other bot instances)? 2011-12-23T07:25:14 *** meduza_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-23T07:25:29 *** meduza_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T07:25:55 *** meduza_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T07:26:12 Fluxid: that is a pretty broad proposal ;) 2011-12-23T07:26:17 http://tcpants.com/ lets play 2011-12-23T07:26:35 I'm not really looking at anything for the next contest yet 2011-12-23T07:26:41 :) 2011-12-23T07:28:12 that would be interesting because you'd need to recreate map from information you get from "rays" and find all your bots on the map basing on it... but no idea what the winning condition would be and how to make it multiplayer ;P 2011-12-23T07:28:32 maybe too hard 2011-12-23T07:31:05 cutoff now going to 500 2011-12-23T07:31:17 over the next 90 minutes 2011-12-23T07:31:34 d('.'d) 2011-12-23T07:33:25 maybe to play with ants again on next contest but every ant must have personal copy of control program, 20ms to turn and limited communication with other? 2011-12-23T07:34:45 Belerafon_L: it's just not technically feasible to have a program running per ant, that was the original proposal for this contest 2011-12-23T07:35:18 200 processes per player, yay 2011-12-23T07:36:49 an interesting question is: would the strategies be the same, if the current contest had not ants, but, say, tanks? 2011-12-23T07:37:03 *** meduza__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T07:37:13 <----- Rank: 582 ↓ Skill: 63.11 – :( 2011-12-23T07:37:14 i.e. if people were thinkng not in terms of ants, but operation sme other concepts 2011-12-23T07:39:44 current timeout stats for the top 250 http://pastebin.com/cDWCVReJ 2011-12-23T07:39:57 janzert: if you can solve problem with personal control of every agent, this will raise these games to a new level. 2011-12-23T07:40:54 I'd say it'd be close to raising all of computing to a whole new level :P 2011-12-23T07:41:20 surprised #1 has 3 timeouts 2011-12-23T07:41:28 very east to prevent 2011-12-23T07:41:52 2 lines of code in every potentially long loop 2011-12-23T07:42:39 my ants don't timeout, they take little naps until my population goes back down 2011-12-23T07:42:44 cseyu01: a GC pause can still get you as can other things 2011-12-23T07:42:55 ahh 2011-12-23T07:43:15 I have perma timeout on tcpants 2011-12-23T07:43:23 works fine locally 2011-12-23T07:43:28 I'm actually rather of the opinion that a bot that never times out is probably too conservative, assuming the bot can always do useful things with more time 2011-12-23T07:43:38 even adjusted turntime = 500 2011-12-23T07:43:50 i think i'm the one with 25 timeouts :( 2011-12-23T07:44:18 my new bot takes 350ms/turn every turn 2011-12-23T07:44:19 janzert: no. For a play enough series computation of all agents but with limited communications between. 2011-12-23T07:44:32 just analyses the map 2011-12-23T07:50:32 If bot have a timeouts when two reasons: it have not timecheck with "return" on loops or... server have computation spikes from the other processes. 2011-12-23T07:51:44 *** xathis has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T07:55:50 *** u_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T07:56:26 *** Murashka has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T07:56:33 *** u__ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T07:57:40 *** TwistedLogic has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T07:58:53 *** mj41 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-12-23T07:59:24 *** Antimatroid has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T08:00:05 *** u_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-23T08:00:05 *** u__ is now known as u_ 2011-12-23T08:03:37 *** flowenol has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-12-23T08:04:23 *** Anilm3 has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) 2011-12-23T08:04:30 *** TheLinker has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T08:06:26 *** grc48 has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2011-12-23T08:08:08 *** pairofdice has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T08:10:08 *** goffrie_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T08:10:08 *** goffrie has quit IRC (Disconnected by services) 2011-12-23T08:10:09 *** goffrie_ is now known as goffrie 2011-12-23T08:10:11 Oh, nice 2011-12-23T08:10:35 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T08:11:40 g0llum: I don't remember exactly, but you once gave link to script with curve of rank and skill on some other site... Can you remind me? 2011-12-23T08:11:42 *** gustavokambara has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T08:11:55 13 hours left but my bot still jumping between places 47 and 59. 2011-12-23T08:12:08 *** QGazQ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T08:13:50 Belerafon, http://ants-score.appspot.com 2011-12-23T08:14:38 up to 325 from 400+ \o/ 2011-12-23T08:14:46 Yay dumbot 2011-12-23T08:15:00 http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f41c/index.htm 2011-12-23T08:15:21 im up to 100 games 2011-12-23T08:15:39 g0llum: nice 2011-12-23T08:15:47 i have fallen 100 places to around 275 in past 36 hours 2011-12-23T08:15:50 it is painful 2011-12-23T08:15:53 g0llum: thanks! But... Could you extend data to 50 games? 2011-12-23T08:16:30 My font doesn't support ant :( 2011-12-23T08:16:58 Belerafon, just scraping the (1st) profile page, it would need more expensive requests to do that, and take too long ;( 2011-12-23T08:18:08 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2011-12-23T08:19:04 ants-score is pretty cool 2011-12-23T08:19:11 g0llum: try to replace aichallenge.org/profile.php?user=XXXX to aichallenge.org/profile_games.php?user=XXXX&page=1 2011-12-23T08:20:19 yeah, interesing web-page. 2011-12-23T08:20:20 let me check.. 2011-12-23T08:20:41 * UncleVasya is wondering how could he miss it 2011-12-23T08:21:51 So anyone know what "crashed" means. Coz I'm using java so its fairly unlikely the jvm crashed (though not impossible). Does it just mean exited? Still not sure why it would do it, but just curious 2011-12-23T08:21:54 more games, but lacking the current rank. 2011-12-23T08:22:13 *** gustavokambara has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T08:23:38 QGazQ: Yeah, I think it comes down to "process went away when it wasn't supposed to" 2011-12-23T08:24:15 Unhandled exception maybe? 2011-12-23T08:24:19 I wonder if it could be I hit memory limit or something 2011-12-23T08:24:34 Yer I did think exception, but the same input doesn't cause it locally 2011-12-23T08:24:54 I was going to suggest that... but you'd have to be allocating crazy amounts to run out of memory 2011-12-23T08:26:06 g0llum: current now updates very often, but the dinamics is more interesting. Please, apply patch :) 2011-12-23T08:27:00 *** sashaSochka has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T08:27:10 Belerafon, going to make a second one.. ;) 2011-12-23T08:27:33 Well not crazy amounts, but its certainly not memory efficient, but is on the first turn both times (which will be when it grabs quite a bit) 2011-12-23T08:28:15 pairofdice: download the symbola font :) 2011-12-23T08:30:30 g0llum: then add a new edit to enter "page_number" to see previous stat :) 2011-12-23T08:30:55 *** balke_macho has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T08:31:43 So when is the next contest? I have to redeem myself after falling short in this one! =P 2011-12-23T08:32:25 Belerafon, ? explain again, new edit ? 2011-12-23T08:33:01 new input box 2011-12-23T08:33:20 to input page_number for grab 2011-12-23T08:33:31 g0llum: http://aichallenge.org/ranking_json.php?page=1 2011-12-23T08:33:32 &page=YYY 2011-12-23T08:33:39 I guess you need all the data though 2011-12-23T08:33:58 that just gets you what the last game did 2011-12-23T08:34:02 balke_macho: one guy from administration said not earlier than after 3 month. But I think that not earlier than after 7-12 month 2011-12-23T08:34:03 ahh, just extend the url in a similar way, 2011-12-23T08:34:21 uid=654&page=1 2011-12-23T08:34:25 g0llum: yes, simplest way 2011-12-23T08:34:41 good idea. wait 2011-12-23T08:35:31 * QGazQ waits 2011-12-23T08:35:42 http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=337014&user=757 ah, nice 2011-12-23T08:35:51 http://aichallenge.org/profile_games.php?user=xxxx&page=0 ;) 2011-12-23T08:40:13 *** flowenol has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T08:40:51 now we need to add some quotes to "page=", special characters and got full access to data base :) 2011-12-23T08:42:49 Ahh, pairing cutoff at 549 2011-12-23T08:42:56 UncleVasya: so ... long! oh well, I guess my productivity can increase again =) 2011-12-23T08:44:50 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-23T08:45:13 Not quite to 200 games but ~160? 2011-12-23T08:46:32 *** ikaros has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat) 2011-12-23T08:55:55 *** moxian has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T08:56:43 *** teapot_moxian has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-12-23T08:59:20 *** TheLinker has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-23T09:01:28 *** amstan_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T09:01:28 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan_ 2011-12-23T09:02:19 *** amstan_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-23T09:04:54 Belerafon_L, http://ants-score.appspot.com/?uid=3062&page=1 // only works with ids, though 2011-12-23T09:06:19 g0llum: thanks! guys, go look to you skill! 2011-12-23T09:06:40 bbl, out of fags.. 2011-12-23T09:07:05 heheh, everyone's happy: http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=337579&user=53 2011-12-23T09:08:35 *** flowenol has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2011-12-23T09:08:50 g0llum: page is't work too? 2011-12-23T09:09:28 ? again ? 2011-12-23T09:10:31 *** g0llum has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-12-23T09:10:47 it is, aichallenge is a bit slow 2011-12-23T09:11:24 put your id straight to the url, not in the box 2011-12-23T09:13:08 http://tcpants.com/ lets play 2011-12-23T09:13:15 No 2011-12-23T09:13:21 I try change "page=" and have got exponent + direct line 2011-12-23T09:14:24 Don't t change it 2011-12-23T09:15:02 http://ants-score.appspot.com/?uid=7358&page=1 2011-12-23T09:17:09 But shape of curves on page 1 for different players have different form. This mean what the system is not oscillatory and all deviations just randomness 2011-12-23T09:17:23 pairofdice: 7358 is who? 2011-12-23T09:17:42 It's me 2011-12-23T09:18:06 You have a good derivetive! :) 2011-12-23T09:18:10 ^^ 2011-12-23T09:18:18 Yeah I'm happy 2011-12-23T09:18:29 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T09:18:29 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-12-23T09:19:34 Unless it means I'm coming down 2011-12-23T09:19:38 eventually 2011-12-23T09:19:51 *** keith_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T09:20:38 *** amstan has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-23T09:20:56 *** FranPeruzzi has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T09:21:03 teapotahedron_ni: http://ants-score.appspot.com/?uid=573&page=1 it's you, din-don 2011-12-23T09:21:35 http://ants-score.appspot.com/?uid=398&page=1 it's GreenTea 2011-12-23T09:22:32 heh 2011-12-23T09:23:37 Still some play in the top three 2011-12-23T09:24:37 *** keith_ has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-12-23T09:26:18 *** Antimatroid has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T09:29:00 Very nice! Mine is rather lumpy: http://ants-score.appspot.com/?uid=8180&page=1 2011-12-23T09:29:53 *** g0llum has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T09:29:59 janzert: thanks for being so awesome 2011-12-23T09:30:03 getting tons of games now :D 2011-12-23T09:30:45 climbed back from 38 to 29 \o/ 2011-12-23T09:31:35 *** mviel_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T09:34:13 @rankings 2011-12-23T09:34:14 thestinger: Top 10 players: xathis(91.6), GreenTea(88.5), teapotahedron(88.0), ChrisH(87.1), runevision(86.9), Memetix(86.7), lazarant(86.1), FlagCapper(85.8), protocolocon(85.3), meduza(84.9) 2011-12-23T09:35:10 *** mviel__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-12-23T09:35:12 *** Insti has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-12-23T09:38:03 http://aichallenge.org/profile.php?user=55 // i wonder how many tried that .. 2011-12-23T09:39:35 meh, the source code is available 2011-12-23T09:39:50 doesn't seem serious 2011-12-23T09:40:27 http://aichallenge.org/profile.php?user=1 ;) 2011-12-23T09:40:50 racket? it's the first time i hear of suck language O_o 2011-12-23T09:41:00 http://aichallenge.org/language_profile.php?language=Racket doesn't seem to be popular 2011-12-23T09:41:01 statically typed lisp iirc 2011-12-23T09:41:23 ah 2011-12-23T09:41:24 the users probably moved to haskell :3 2011-12-23T09:41:45 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racket_(programming_language) yeah, "formerly called PLT Scheme" 2011-12-23T09:41:54 http://aichallenge.org/profile.php?user=4 first ranked user 2011-12-23T09:41:56 dynamic typing tho 2011-12-23T09:42:13 In addition, the revision introduced immutable pairs and lists, support for fine-grained parallelism, and a statically-typed dialect. 2011-12-23T09:42:16 oh, that's why I thought that 2011-12-23T09:42:36 well I'm in the top 3 of poor souls who stuck w/ JavaScript. 2011-12-23T09:42:37 http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=302587&user=4 this game is awesome 2011-12-23T09:42:41 Arscan really rep'd tho. 2011-12-23T09:42:43 http://aichallenge.org/language_profile.php?language=Javascript 2011-12-23T09:43:21 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-12-23T09:44:04 also, this game is buggy 2011-12-23T09:44:25 because it should be extermination, not lone survivow 2011-12-23T09:44:28 i have to get on a plane 2011-12-23T09:44:32 i cant watch the rest :( 2011-12-23T09:44:38 bnferguson shouldn't get any points 2011-12-23T09:44:38 *** tomb__ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T09:45:48 ah no 2011-12-23T09:45:51 there s one more ant... 2011-12-23T09:46:20 awww crap back to 30 and I'm in another game 2011-12-23T09:47:26 oh, the cutoff is 500 now 2011-12-23T09:50:36 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T09:50:50 A vary specific map http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=337972 2011-12-23T09:53:14 lol, there are lots of those maps in the finals 2011-12-23T09:54:03 thestinger: yeah, lot's of game, one after another 2011-12-23T09:54:18 almost always when i open my profile, i'm in the game 2011-12-23T09:54:21 FEELS GOOD MAN 2011-12-23T09:55:22 cool story bro 2011-12-23T10:00:37 gah, 5-way tie 2011-12-23T10:00:57 *** avdg has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T10:01:11 http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=338246&user=757 lol 2011-12-23T10:01:25 BLOCK ALL THE HILLS 2011-12-23T10:01:39 http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=338250&user=2255 lol, my silly wall vs FlagCapper 2011-12-23T10:01:56 I never ended up truly fixing that... 2011-12-23T10:02:11 only fixed it for small groups, in the last hour before submissions closed :D 2011-12-23T10:02:52 *** foRei has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T10:03:27 oh, i'm not in a game 2011-12-23T10:04:36 http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=338299&user=757 whoa, the hell.. he suddenly attacks my hill 2011-12-23T10:04:59 *** Surya has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T10:05:02 Fluxid: turn on fog of war for him 2011-12-23T10:05:11 you stop him from seeing it for a long time 2011-12-23T10:05:55 my redone defense code tries to do that, but I never finished/merged it 2011-12-23T10:06:12 i saw) 2011-12-23T10:11:09 *** carpcrap has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T10:23:34 *** dmj111 has left #aichallenge ("ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)") 2011-12-23T10:23:39 *** flowenol has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T10:24:14 http://tcpants.com/ lets play 2011-12-23T10:25:32 thestinger: ah! you're right! 2011-12-23T10:29:50 *** GreenTea has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T10:30:03 hihi 2011-12-23T10:30:49 :) 2011-12-23T10:31:03 GreenTea: congrats 2011-12-23T10:32:37 *** bretep has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T10:33:38 teapotahedron_ni, don't hurry to congrats me yet) 2011-12-23T10:34:01 GreenTea: new toy from g0llum: http://ants-score.appspot.com/?uid=398&page=1 2011-12-23T10:34:44 yeah, cool thing 2011-12-23T10:34:48 change uid= and look dinamics 2011-12-23T10:36:23 Belerafon_L, nice) 2011-12-23T10:36:27 too bad it times out on page=0 2011-12-23T10:37:03 the gae ppl are serious on 5 secs timeout per request ;( 2011-12-23T10:37:06 Fluxid: not always 2011-12-23T10:37:21 But when I've got graph for page 0... 2011-12-23T10:37:40 You don't want to see it, trust me :) 2011-12-23T10:37:45 *** balke_macho has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T10:38:07 haha, i believe without seeing .. 2011-12-23T10:38:08 Belerafon_L, how to set more time period? 2011-12-23T10:38:47 I like it, but I would like the same scale from game 0 to last game 2011-12-23T10:38:51 to see if it converges 2011-12-23T10:39:16 GreenTea: ask g0llum, I think he work on it 2011-12-23T10:39:46 g0llum, how to set more time period? 2011-12-23T10:39:49 finally, we have a 500 cutoff now 2011-12-23T10:39:49 *** teapotahedron_ko has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T10:40:10 huh, already opened the 1st beer, won't prog anything today, sorry 2011-12-23T10:40:35 )) 2011-12-23T10:41:50 so no more cutoffs? 2011-12-23T10:43:02 g0llum. I actually tried to do what you did (using your code from the forum). I had never tried gae before, and got a problem with BeautifulSoup. Is there something in particular that you did with the yaml cfg? 2011-12-23T10:43:23 http://tcpants.com/ lets play 2011-12-23T10:43:48 Surya, no, just git add *.py 2011-12-23T10:44:04 I badly wanted the whole finals stage. And the feature to mix it with an other player (to see 2 curbs) 2011-12-23T10:44:41 Hum, ok. Anyway don't have the time anymore but gae seems quite fun tbh 2011-12-23T10:44:43 beer improves coding thouhg 2011-12-23T10:44:48 thx for your cookie :) 2011-12-23T10:44:55 Well vodka does, I'm assuming the same is true for beet 2011-12-23T10:45:10 *** porco`` has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-23T10:45:48 QGazQ thats the ballmer peak :P 2011-12-23T10:45:49 http://xkcd.com/323/ 2011-12-23T10:45:53 Surya, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/525006/ 2011-12-23T10:45:53 *** rebelxt has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T10:46:48 g0llum, don't you write code with beer? 2011-12-23T10:47:33 *** QGazQ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-12-23T10:47:37 i'm old enough to do either or .. 2011-12-23T10:47:42 and add bubbles to your curves :) 2011-12-23T10:47:48 *** QGazQ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T10:47:52 http://xkcd.com/323/ )) 2011-12-23T10:48:27 ))) 2011-12-23T10:48:29 Needs accurate calibration 2011-12-23T10:48:34 its hard to achieve 2011-12-23T10:48:36 haha, yer thats very true 2011-12-23T10:48:47 never managed to tune it myself for me 2011-12-23T10:48:50 I've managed it on a couple of occations and done wonderful things 2011-12-23T10:48:56 Surya, i just put the soup into the same folder than the main.py, maybe that's the diff.. 2011-12-23T10:49:03 kinda rare there 2011-12-23T10:49:05 *here 2011-12-23T10:49:08 i never caught it during this contest ( 2011-12-23T10:49:09 Come to think of it though, I've failed many more times 2011-12-23T10:49:36 Also forgot I wasn't running this IRC through my proxy, hance the timeout when switching APs 2011-12-23T10:49:55 speaking of switching APs 2011-12-23T10:50:10 gotta fix my home network to make ap switching transparent 2011-12-23T10:51:41 g0llum, thx, i will definitely use your code one day :) 2011-12-23T10:52:11 I'd like to, but none of the stuff is really compatible with each other. Another solution which seems more likely it to move to a house where 1 AP gets coverage all over! :) 2011-12-23T10:53:06 Surya, lol, it's one of those throwaway things, that you can't even read yourself the other day ;) 2011-12-23T10:53:53 No, I mean not your exact code, but the gae / web parsing thing 2011-12-23T10:54:45 I did the same with a php script one day, and yeah the code was really dirty aswell. I just wanted to retrieve all the nicknames of League of Legends' players. 2011-12-23T10:54:49 500k :] 2011-12-23T10:54:50 Surya, OReilly.Programming.Collective.Intelligence.Aug.2007.9780596529321.pdf 2011-12-23T10:55:05 I think I got the biggest nickname data file now :] 2011-12-23T10:55:45 http://ants-score.appspot.com/?uid=12187&page=1 I'm going up! 2011-12-23T10:56:21 *** Murashka has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T10:58:17 nice, another streak of losses 2011-12-23T10:58:42 thestinger: I hate that 2011-12-23T10:59:05 *** rebelxt has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T10:59:09 I was at like 75 when I went to bed, now 105 2011-12-23T10:59:33 I just went from 38 -> 28 -> 33 in the past two hours 2011-12-23T10:59:47 some wins and then some losses 2011-12-23T11:01:18 hopefully I'll be at a high point when the finals end xD 2011-12-23T11:04:55 *** rebelxt has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T11:05:26 thestinger, MomoBot? 2011-12-23T11:05:37 strcat, down at 34 now 2011-12-23T11:05:48 *** aerique has quit IRC (Quit: ...) 2011-12-23T11:05:51 played a game since I said that and in another now xD 2011-12-23T11:06:30 Does anybody use git on Windows? 2011-12-23T11:07:06 Sure, why not? 2011-12-23T11:07:46 Works perfectly on windows 2011-12-23T11:10:20 pairofdice: it doesn't know how to make symlinks though 2011-12-23T11:10:27 and windows does have symlinks now 2011-12-23T11:10:43 thestinger wat? 2011-12-23T11:10:43 I wanna start using git. I'll have unlimited internet-trafic tomorrow (few hours at my relatives house) and going to download all the stuff I need. 2011-12-23T11:10:47 it does? 2011-12-23T11:10:50 yes 2011-12-23T11:10:55 mklink 2011-12-23T11:11:10 syntax is backwards though 2011-12-23T11:11:12 I know I need msvc version of git and some kind of gui (TortoiseGit). 2011-12-23T11:11:16 Anything else? 2011-12-23T11:11:18 interesting 2011-12-23T11:11:25 mklink link destination 2011-12-23T11:11:40 UncleVasya: ehh? 2011-12-23T11:11:41 also you have to pass a switch for a directory symlink 2011-12-23T11:11:45 yea ln is target link 2011-12-23T11:11:48 You don't need a gui 2011-12-23T11:11:55 You don't need msvc version 2011-12-23T11:12:18 *msys 2011-12-23T11:12:22 UncleVasya, just put it on the path, and avoid all crappy shell extesions 2011-12-23T11:12:39 flowenol: oh, also you need to be admin to make them 2011-12-23T11:12:58 thestinger im always admin in win 2011-12-23T11:13:01 not that becoming admin is hard... 2011-12-23T11:13:06 uac can die in a fire 2011-12-23T11:13:27 meterpreter has a 'getsystem' command it works from a non-admin account with UAC on full... 2011-12-23T11:13:47 not really sure what UAC is supposed to do 2011-12-23T11:13:55 comfort you with scary warnings? 2011-12-23T11:17:52 http://tcpants.com/ lets play 2011-12-23T11:18:46 http://aichallenge.org/ Let's play 2011-12-23T11:19:10 :D 2011-12-23T11:19:19 In Game: Playing in a game right now. :D 2011-12-23T11:19:22 Playing in a game right now. 2011-12-23T11:19:24 haha 2011-12-23T11:19:36 non-stop games basically 2011-12-23T11:20:40 This is right what the Happines is. 2011-12-23T11:22:02 !seen 2011-12-23T11:22:16 bros, howto use seen command? 2011-12-23T11:22:22 @seen teapotahedron_ko 2011-12-23T11:22:22 thestinger: teapotahedron_ko was last seen in #aichallenge 6 seconds ago: bros, howto use seen command? 2011-12-23T11:22:23 @seen 2011-12-23T11:22:24 pairofdice: (seen [] ) -- Returns the last time was seen and what was last seen saying. is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. may contain * as a wildcard. 2011-12-23T11:22:39 thestinger: thanks =) 2011-12-23T11:22:55 @seen McLeopold 2011-12-23T11:22:55 teapotahedron_ko: McLeopold was last seen in #aichallenge 14 hours, 41 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: I see sputtering http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=327311&user=98 2011-12-23T11:23:30 my bot wins \o/ http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=338607&user=432 2011-12-23T11:23:55 Antimatroid avoids blobs pretty decently 2011-12-23T11:24:06 maybe admins became tired with ours 'we need more games!' and decided always to show 'Playing in game right now' :) 2011-12-23T11:24:23 nope, I'm really getting tons of games :P 2011-12-23T11:24:30 and losing almost all of them 2011-12-23T11:33:48 thestinger: same here, very long losing streak 2011-12-23T11:34:49 keep going this way guys ;) 2011-12-23T11:35:25 *** McLeopold has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T11:36:36 UncleVasya: ;-) 2011-12-23T11:38:14 *** Belerafon_L has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-12-23T11:38:30 *** Blkt has quit IRC (Quit: cya) 2011-12-23T11:39:46 *** Darhuuk has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2011-12-23T11:40:26 UncleVasya nah they are really playing 2011-12-23T11:41:41 *** analyst74 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T11:41:53 *** Antimony has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T11:43:25 Yeah, if the cut-off were any smaller some of the servers would be idling 2011-12-23T11:43:53 Well, would be at 250 anyway 2011-12-23T11:44:17 Unless your bot could be in multiple games at once 2011-12-23T11:44:28 woohoo! I'm up to 27th! 2011-12-23T11:44:36 a1k0n: nice 2011-12-23T11:45:18 pairofdice: your bot could be in multiple games at once 2011-12-23T11:45:37 oh 2011-12-23T11:45:39 *** meduza has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T11:46:13 I love this rate :] I wish it would have been this during the whole contest. We need $$$ 2011-12-23T11:46:17 for the next one 2011-12-23T11:46:36 *** rebelxt has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T11:47:08 I'm not even watching my games :o 2011-12-23T11:50:36 *** besh has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T11:52:46 *** JorgeB has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 2011-12-23T11:54:30 epic tie: http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=339695&user=573 2011-12-23T11:58:12 *** rebelxt has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T12:04:39 *** JorgeB has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T12:08:59 *** ikaros has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T12:13:10 More games = me going up for some reason, I like this trend :) 2011-12-23T12:13:49 Though up is relative, I'm not that much above the cut off, but looks like I should survive for the last round if it stays where it is 2011-12-23T12:14:12 right now i would even survive a 250 cutoff 2011-12-23T12:14:27 but not by much 2011-12-23T12:14:38 *** mviel_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-23T12:15:18 is the last cutoff 250 2011-12-23T12:15:23 no 2011-12-23T12:15:44 afaik 500 is the last 2011-12-23T12:16:02 so no more changes 2011-12-23T12:16:21 unless janzert changes his mind 2011-12-23T12:16:52 It should go up till all bots are playing on all servers at all times! 2011-12-23T12:17:25 what would that be ? 100 or 50 maybe 2011-12-23T12:18:08 it depnends on the map to . 10 player maps can take in more 2011-12-23T12:18:10 He said going under 500 wouldn't make sense coz the pairing would have some issues or something. 2011-12-23T12:18:14 Well assuming a server only does 1 game at a time, and some maps only have 2 slots, then 2 2011-12-23T12:18:33 Anyway, good evening everyone, and good luck for those last hours:) 2011-12-23T12:18:39 it wont go so short 2011-12-23T12:18:43 Surya ty 2011-12-23T12:18:48 same to you 2011-12-23T12:18:49 *** Surya has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T12:19:14 I know I was kidding 2011-12-23T12:19:23 ill be around stressing for 8h and 40min 2011-12-23T12:19:37 hoping my bot doesnt leave its place 2011-12-23T12:19:48 I suppose I should tidy the flat, got ppl coming around and it looks like a student flat atm, stuff everywhere (I'm 30) 2011-12-23T12:20:10 den do it 2011-12-23T12:20:32 I think giving lower bots a shot at the higher ranked bots may be a good idea. 2011-12-23T12:21:00 My bot is stuck at one rank for many games now and it doesn't seem to get games against higher ranked bots that much 2011-12-23T12:21:33 *** GreenTea has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T12:21:42 right now there is less variety 2011-12-23T12:22:02 *** GreenTea has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T12:22:05 that's a good thing 2011-12-23T12:22:26 well it helps to converge rating quickly 2011-12-23T12:22:33 I guess as sigma goes down the picker picks less spread out oponents? 2011-12-23T12:22:33 but maybe biased 2011-12-23T12:23:32 I think so. 2011-12-23T12:23:53 just fear the reaper.. 2011-12-23T12:24:49 My rating now is almost 10 points lower than what used to be.. probably the case for others too eg xathis 2011-12-23T12:26:43 *** Scryer has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T12:28:23 I've updated the top 10 churn-o-meter: https://gist.github.com/1512777 2011-12-23T12:30:41 *** Manwe56 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T12:31:56 BenJackson: regarding a bot made up of several top bots: i just tried to find your forum post about it, i can't find one. could you paste a link? 2011-12-23T12:32:49 Scryer, Repository temporarily unavailable. 2011-12-23T12:33:51 FrankenBot 2011-12-23T12:33:52 g0llum - I don't know why... I completed the edit. 2011-12-23T12:34:00 Worked for me 2011-12-23T12:34:00 just spread out to another pastebin 2011-12-23T12:34:12 Maybe throttling? 2011-12-23T12:35:19 bgf - is this BenJackson thread the one you meant? http://forums.aichallenge.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2034 2011-12-23T12:36:10 http://tcpants.com/ lets play 2011-12-23T12:36:39 g0llum - There are 59 or 60 lines in that gist thingy - is that too big? 2011-12-23T12:37:21 the match maker doesn't care about the mu/sigma, it is picking opponents within a rank range 2011-12-23T12:37:22 no, they seem to have backend problems 2011-12-23T12:39:39 *** Murashka has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T12:39:40 McLeopold: heh? it only looks at mu sigma it doesn't care about rank difference at all, at least that I recall offhand 2011-12-23T12:39:40 Short form: xathis has been on top from 49 hrs out and on, GreenTea and teapotahedron have shared 2-3 from 24 hrs out, and the rest of the slots are mostly the same people shifting around gradually. 2011-12-23T12:39:58 of course only the relative difference matters not absolute numbers 2011-12-23T12:40:36 janzert: which translates to rank 2011-12-23T12:40:54 :D 2011-12-23T12:41:03 ie, pick the closest 10 bots, not pick bots with mu diff of something 2011-12-23T12:41:17 We both know it's not really rank ;) 2011-12-23T12:41:17 i think for most bots now their ranks have stabilized. I can only expect changes in rank if my bot get games against higher ranked opponents. I used to beat some of them up there :) 2011-12-23T12:42:28 http://ants-score.appspot.com/?uid=7358&page=1 2011-12-23T12:42:33 Bye bye peak :< 2011-12-23T12:43:01 haha let me see mine 2011-12-23T12:43:26 two peaks http://ants-score.appspot.com/?uid=dshawul 2011-12-23T12:44:19 http://ants-score.appspot.com/?uid=3474&page=1 There's yours with longer timespan 2011-12-23T12:44:39 positive slope 2011-12-23T12:45:21 Now if only i get games against higher ranked opponents :(( 2011-12-23T12:46:11 I think bots who got higher ranks early may have been better off, don't you think ? 2011-12-23T12:46:23 Nawh, I was at #33 2011-12-23T12:46:30 ;p 2011-12-23T12:46:42 Shouldn't have much of any effect 2011-12-23T12:46:52 No - after game 4 I was #1. Before the finals I was at 140, and now I'm struggling to stay lower than 200. 2011-12-23T12:48:39 On contrast I've just popped above 400 (below) for the first time in a day or so 2011-12-23T12:48:41 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-12-23T12:48:46 Or it could be the maps. Mine prefers mazes more than random walks 2011-12-23T12:52:47 At the end of the contest I think everyone has played enough games to get a proper standing if they have a good ant 2011-12-23T12:53:38 Yes i have no complains ;) 2011-12-23T12:54:24 Scryer, gist is working now. ;) 2011-12-23T12:54:48 *** mj41 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T12:55:21 besh, you're dshawul? 2011-12-23T12:56:18 yes 2011-12-23T12:56:18 yes he is, our man from ethopia.. 2011-12-23T12:57:12 In that case I lost a game to you recently, well I'm blaming the time-out. :x 2011-12-23T12:57:24 8hours 2011-12-23T12:57:35 what is your bot bretep 2011-12-23T12:57:53 dont really like all thos maps where one hill is close to another 2011-12-23T12:58:06 besh: peterb 2011-12-23T12:58:14 *** tomb__ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T12:58:17 *** rebelxt has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T12:58:19 seems like a lot of luck who gets to specific points first 2011-12-23T12:58:56 bretep: i have many games against you and we are more or less of the same skill i think 2011-12-23T12:59:37 currently at 140 and 141 i think. i beat you by 1 rank till next game 2011-12-23T13:01:03 Just overtook you, I'm 140th now ;) 2011-12-23T13:02:11 we pull each other down now and then, so it would be better if we are paired against higher ranked (not complaining :) 2011-12-23T13:02:43 *** Garf has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T13:03:05 *** moxian_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T13:04:48 *** meduza has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T13:06:27 *** moxian has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-12-23T13:06:38 *** Israfel has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2011-12-23T13:07:15 *** moxian has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T13:08:04 *** moxian_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-12-23T13:08:51 *** moxian_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T13:09:37 Why is top 100 so much better than top 200 anyway ? Or is that looser mentalty :) 2011-12-23T13:09:59 Front page. Less clicking. Win. 2011-12-23T13:10:02 Each successive step is a lot harder 2011-12-23T13:10:23 It's easy to go from 8k rank to 3k 2011-12-23T13:10:51 i am done hopin :(. My rank is stuck at 140-150 2011-12-23T13:11:37 *** moxian has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-12-23T13:12:19 *** moxian has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T13:13:19 Some body I know before this contest has a Top 20 bot. ThisisnotAB 2011-12-23T13:13:38 I could end up anywhere within ~100 ranks 2011-12-23T13:13:50 Not from Ethiopia, though. You're unique! In this contest, anyway. 2011-12-23T13:14:15 Scryer: thanks. But i want more than what you get with no effort :) 2011-12-23T13:14:38 *** moxian_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-23T13:14:50 I guess - I was thinking we ought to include age... I might have a chance in the "Geezer" bracket. 2011-12-23T13:15:13 well flagcapper hands down wins. 2011-12-23T13:15:29 *** moxian_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T13:15:31 On the low end, for sure. 2011-12-23T13:16:17 Well if we include enough categories, everyone's a winner 2011-12-23T13:16:18 *** Paradoxial has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T13:16:18 *** choas has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T13:16:29 *** moxian has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-23T13:16:33 crap, down from 28 to 40 :( 2011-12-23T13:16:40 oh well, time to go back up again :D 2011-12-23T13:16:40 pairofdice: Yes! Great plan! 2011-12-23T13:16:46 my bot likes bouncing up and down 2011-12-23T13:17:02 Invent category to feed your ego :) 2011-12-23T13:17:27 change your country to north korea 2011-12-23T13:17:37 I win the best bot with MLP based name category 2011-12-23T13:17:48 *** moxian_ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-12-23T13:17:49 on the consumer side, it's called: intant gratification 2011-12-23T13:18:02 *** moxian_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T13:18:23 aww man, back down to 26th 2011-12-23T13:18:33 There's a pony for that, Antimony? 2011-12-23T13:18:53 *** Relax has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T13:19:47 surprize packages for me: teapotahedron and carlos_guia 2011-12-23T13:19:48 thestinger: I suspect your style is relevant to the bouncing -- as you described it before it sounded like "slash and burn quickly or die slowly". 2011-12-23T13:20:08 *** Israfel has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T13:20:22 I didn't see runevision coming. 2011-12-23T13:21:12 yeah that was also a good one 2011-12-23T13:21:53 *** choas has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-12-23T13:21:54 *** moxian has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T13:22:17 New category: "Other" - self sponsored bot. Number 45 on that ! 2011-12-23T13:22:38 *** Relax has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-12-23T13:23:53 *** TheLinker has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T13:24:37 *** moxian_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-12-23T13:25:10 *** olexs has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-12-23T13:25:28 *** moxian_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T13:25:35 *** Antimony has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 8.0/20111104165243]) 2011-12-23T13:27:42 *** moxian has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2011-12-23T13:28:07 *** mj41 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-12-23T13:29:27 *** sashaSochka has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T13:31:31 *** ahow984 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T13:32:13 besh - I see I wouldn't come in first in the Chess Programmer category either. :) 2011-12-23T13:32:34 Scryer: what's your programs name? 2011-12-23T13:32:48 TECH - 1972 era. 2011-12-23T13:33:00 holy sh 2011-12-23T13:33:09 is that the thing Berliner took over? 2011-12-23T13:33:30 He and I were competitors... he switched to my strategy. :) 2011-12-23T13:33:38 We were both at C-MU. 2011-12-23T13:33:38 Scryer: what is your chess program ? 2011-12-23T13:33:48 TECH - the Technology Chess Program. 2011-12-23T13:33:54 Nr 19 and nr 101 are also chess programmers 2011-12-23T13:34:03 Dang! 2011-12-23T13:34:05 I don't know it , must be old! 2011-12-23T13:34:09 I'm *way* back. :) 2011-12-23T13:34:24 Yes, 1972... let's see if there's a link anywhere. 2011-12-23T13:34:30 1972 , is that right ? 2011-12-23T13:35:13 http://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com/James+Gillogly 2011-12-23T13:35:26 Gee, they still remember me... somewhere. :) 2011-12-23T13:37:06 Indeed. That is a surprise. 2011-12-23T13:37:10 woo cmu 2011-12-23T13:37:20 Gotta go. Cheers. 2011-12-23T13:37:40 *** Scryer has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-23T13:37:49 *** analyst74 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-23T13:38:32 *** besh has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T13:43:41 oh man, 2 points to xathis 2011-12-23T13:44:01 *** foRei has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-12-23T13:46:04 2& it's optimistic estimate :) 2011-12-23T13:47:03 would someone mind giving me a little help with john the ripper? Its just to check if its benchmarks look ok.... 2011-12-23T13:47:37 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6) 2011-12-23T13:48:50 http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=340992&user=757 AWESOME! 500 turns after i lost my hill, i razed TwistedLogic's hill... 2011-12-23T13:49:36 http://pastebin.com/L9d0iFEa 2011-12-23T13:49:36 teapotahedron-s still alive? after yesterday's trial 2011-12-23T13:49:41 is the benchmarks btw 2011-12-23T13:50:26 alive and still kicking =) 2011-12-23T13:50:28 *** besh has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T13:51:32 Are there ai challenges like this one in the near future ? 2011-12-23T13:52:51 took like 1 yr to put up this one 2011-12-23T13:53:38 I really enjoyed this one (my first) and would like to particpate in other as well. 2011-12-23T13:53:54 Seems like the last two are 6 monts apart ?? 2011-12-23T13:54:41 Is there anything people can do to help? 2011-12-23T13:54:48 besh: in January there will be another interesting challenge by acm - http://queue.acm.org/icpc/ 2011-12-23T13:55:39 teapotahedron_ko: Thanks I will try to particpate. Good luck in this one . You did very well. 2011-12-23T13:56:32 Bye all. This is probably my last irc login. ciao. 2011-12-23T13:56:55 *** besh has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T13:57:21 ohh noes, come back tomorrow ! 2011-12-23T13:57:48 :P 2011-12-23T13:57:54 teapotahedron_ko: thanks for that link :) 2011-12-23T13:58:14 ahow984: :) 2011-12-23T13:58:26 is there an irc channel where we can hang out? 2011-12-23T13:58:44 because I'll need a place to ask questions ;) 2011-12-23T13:59:21 oh, a google group, I see 2011-12-23T13:59:23 never mind 2011-12-23T13:59:44 gtg 2011-12-23T13:59:45 ttyl 2011-12-23T14:04:37 *** ahow984 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-12-23T14:05:29 *** rebelxt has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T14:05:50 nice, almost non-stop "Playing in a game right now." ;-) 2011-12-23T14:06:16 anyone found out about the sleds on icpc ? 2011-12-23T14:08:02 *** gustavokambara has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T14:09:27 ugh, I lost the url 2011-12-23T14:10:18 http://queue.acm.org/icpc, http://queue.acm.org/icpc/game_description/environment.cfm 2011-12-23T14:11:43 There was a better page 2011-12-23T14:11:46 the video has 3 bumpers, the env description talks about 2 bumpers and a sledge 2011-12-23T14:11:59 That explained the specifics a bit better 2011-12-23T14:12:40 *** xathis has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T14:15:16 And I go through far too many pages to find it in my history 2011-12-23T14:16:29 xathis, looking strong! 2011-12-23T14:22:22 http://cm.baylor.edu/challenge/ 2011-12-23T14:22:25 There it is 2011-12-23T14:22:39 Forgot it was named coercioncoercion 2011-12-23T14:23:07 Pairofdice, ty ;) 2011-12-23T14:23:08 *** rebelxt has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T14:23:25 *** foRei has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T14:24:59 *** g0llum has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-12-23T14:25:13 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2011-12-23T14:27:12 *** mj41 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T14:35:41 *** kire has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T14:43:06 *** Redgis has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T14:43:11 *** kire has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-23T14:43:34 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T14:43:51 *** gustavokambara has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T14:45:41 http://tcpants.com/ranking lets play 2011-12-23T14:45:51 *** bluegaspode has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T14:49:21 *** ChrisH_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T14:49:38 @seen bqf 2011-12-23T14:49:38 BenJackson: bqf was last seen in #aichallenge 2 hours, 17 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: BenJackson: regarding a bot made up of several top bots: i just tried to find your forum post about it, i can't find one. could you paste a link? 2011-12-23T14:49:43 bqf: http://forums.aichallenge.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2034 2011-12-23T14:49:50 1.5 point to xathis...history repeating 2011-12-23T14:49:54 now it would be easy to try 2011-12-23T14:57:46 @rankings 2011-12-23T14:57:54 pairofdice: Top 10 players: xathis(90.9), GreenTea(89.9), teapotahedron(87.9), runevision(87.9), Memetix(86.3), protocolocon(85.9), ChrisH(85.8), FlagCapper(85.6), pguillory(85.6), fourmidable(85.3) 2011-12-23T14:58:29 runevision was 3rd for a moment 2011-12-23T14:58:42 *** NotABug has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T15:00:09 1 point to xathis 2011-12-23T15:02:11 *** Westicles has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T15:04:49 *** ahow984 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T15:06:58 *** moxian_ has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-12-23T15:08:34 *** NotABug has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T15:12:21 BenJackson: thanks! yeah, there were some interesting points raised. my initial approach would have been to use different bots for different "zones" (as in: let the best fighter do combat, the best explorer do exploring, etc), but even that would lead to trouble with regards to general tactics. 2011-12-23T15:12:27 i still think it might be a fun project ;) 2011-12-23T15:13:37 I am a bit burned out on ants at this point :) 2011-12-23T15:14:09 *** jack_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T15:14:32 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T15:14:49 *** Paradoxial has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-23T15:15:34 *** olexs has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T15:15:36 game rate is amazing, im playing nonstop 2011-12-23T15:15:38 understandably so. :) 2011-12-23T15:19:17 yep...it's nice 2011-12-23T15:20:10 Not so nice! http://ants-score.appspot.com/?uid=7358&page=1 2011-12-23T15:21:15 * pairofdice puts up a shrine to the random number generator 2011-12-23T15:22:29 it also was number generator before 2011-12-23T15:22:48 just slowly 2011-12-23T15:24:04 *** Cowbandit has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T15:24:32 5 hours remaining.. dun dun dun 2011-12-23T15:24:33 *** Paradoxial has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T15:25:52 *** Antimatroid has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T15:26:09 *** ikaros has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat) 2011-12-23T15:26:24 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T15:29:09 who knows if bot played on some mame several times this will decrase probability to play on it again in the future or not? 2011-12-23T15:29:15 * map 2011-12-23T15:29:46 I think the matchmaker tries to use all the maps evenly 2011-12-23T15:29:50 but not by player, just globally 2011-12-23T15:30:37 goes by player first then globally 2011-12-23T15:32:57 janzert no more cuts? 2011-12-23T15:33:17 nope 2011-12-23T15:33:28 damn 2011-12-23T15:33:36 looks like cuts enough 2011-12-23T15:33:40 i wanted to start celebrating earlier 2011-12-23T15:33:48 guess i cant 2011-12-23T15:34:01 5 and a half hours 2011-12-23T15:34:26 *** deltree_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T15:34:36 flowenol: what was your goal? 2011-12-23T15:34:46 0.9 to xathis 2011-12-23T15:34:52 win my country 2011-12-23T15:35:04 before that it was top100 2011-12-23T15:35:10 but i had to do a downgrade 2011-12-23T15:35:50 hahaah http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/52/personalmessage.png/ 2011-12-23T15:35:58 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T15:35:58 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-12-23T15:36:16 GreenTea haha 2011-12-23T15:36:20 damn jimmy 2011-12-23T15:36:26 )) 2011-12-23T15:36:58 their annoying email campaign which I can't seem to turn off got me to drop my donation this year 2011-12-23T15:37:26 i once considered donating 2011-12-23T15:37:34 but then they bacame way too annoying 2011-12-23T15:38:13 i also donated 50 uah. this is near $6.25 2011-12-23T15:38:52 does anyone know why wikipedia doesn't run ads? 2011-12-23T15:38:53 and evil banner disappeard for some time.. 2011-12-23T15:39:00 GreenTea don't digress think about xathis :) 2011-12-23T15:39:20 to me it seems like that personal appeal banner is on par with advertisement space 2011-12-23T15:39:20 then some ather people started to ask money 2011-12-23T15:39:36 Murashka, ^_^ 2011-12-23T15:40:42 Cowbandit: apparently they worry it would taint their impartiality 2011-12-23T15:40:44 i just installed a chrome addon 2011-12-23T15:40:49 called goodbye jimmy 2011-12-23T15:41:10 suddenly no more annoying banners 2011-12-23T15:41:27 haha clever idea for an addon 2011-12-23T15:41:59 janzert: yeah I guess that seems legitimate, but those banners are so annoying :P 2011-12-23T15:42:38 Cowbandit possible because their goals do not match goals of advertisers 2011-12-23T15:42:41 BenJackson my bot is back towards where it belongs 2011-12-23T15:43:23 Although top 25 would be cool 2011-12-23T15:43:53 *** horatius has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T15:45:05 GreenTea congrats on clawing second place back 2011-12-23T15:45:52 *** olexs has left #aichallenge 2011-12-23T15:46:20 Antimatroid, thanx) 2011-12-23T15:46:46 im not expecting it 2011-12-23T15:46:55 WLAN, Carlos has risen over right 2011-12-23T15:47:05 Woah* 2011-12-23T15:48:50 *** deltree_ has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]) 2011-12-23T15:51:13 *** Scryer has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T15:51:57 *** Antimatroid has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T15:52:54 *** Antimatroid has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T15:53:32 *** tasadar has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T15:53:35 *** ChrisH_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T15:55:09 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-23T15:55:30 *** Antimatroid has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-12-23T15:56:49 *** Antimatroid has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T15:58:01 Antimatroid: your bot is going to finish pretty high for a late first submission, nice job 2011-12-23T15:58:43 Cheers, next time hopefully I have more time to spend on my bot 2011-12-23T15:58:50 it's hard to tell the game rate now because it seems like I'm always playing in a game 2011-12-23T15:59:18 Rune vision is up to 3rd, where did they come from. 2011-12-23T15:59:23 BenJackson: 40 players/min, 500 active players, so 12 minutes per game 2011-12-23T16:00:04 I had 4th earlier with Run in 5th, but I've slid back with a serios of maps my bot struggled with 2011-12-23T16:00:32 but it is so close in the 4 - 12 slots that I could finish anywhere in there just based on the last few games 2011-12-23T16:00:54 or I could slide down more if I get put on more unfavorable (to my bot) maps 2011-12-23T16:00:59 yep 2011-12-23T16:01:12 I was as low as 23 2011-12-23T16:01:13 so we should get about 25 more games each 2011-12-23T16:01:51 the problem seems to be that if I lose a game vs a top player I lose more than I get back by beating several weaker players 2011-12-23T16:02:05 so one final game where it throws me in with memetix and greentea could be worth 4 places 2011-12-23T16:02:29 Yeah, I suspect there's a few bots where the map type decides which is better 2011-12-23T16:02:48 i get knocked down a lot when I do poorly on the 8,9,or 10 player maps, and it takes a few wins to climb back 2011-12-23T16:03:00 it's really frustrating how bad the map/setup is in the finals for actually differentiating close bots 2011-12-23T16:03:18 I also tend to lose the maps where it is a race to a choke point with access to food 2011-12-23T16:03:23 there are tons of stalemates and ties that could have been broken if the maps were a bit smaller or had more food at the beginning or lasted more turns 2011-12-23T16:03:32 *** Cowbandit has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T16:03:33 Yeah, I think in the future we should try to do fortnightly map generation or something 2011-12-23T16:03:49 Leading up to no surprises when we generate maps at the end 2011-12-23T16:04:06 I never got around to doing the stats on which maps had the best predictive value. 2011-12-23T16:04:10 it's more than that, though 2011-12-23T16:04:21 ok, gotta go, might be back on just before the end, but if not, enjoy your holidays everyone, and I still plan to write more about my bot when I get time 2011-12-23T16:04:25 now that all the top players are in at once at the top the games among the top 30 take longer than they did early in the contest 2011-12-23T16:04:32 combat stalemates take forever 2011-12-23T16:04:43 ChrisH_: merry christmas! 2011-12-23T16:04:53 Merry Christmas 2011-12-23T16:04:57 *** ChrisH_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T16:07:50 My bot is now failing me 2011-12-23T16:09:42 *** Kurnevsky has left #aichallenge 2011-12-23T16:10:47 Nooooooooo 2011-12-23T16:12:15 why noo? 2011-12-23T16:13:26 I'm down to 27 2011-12-23T16:13:32 I now want top 25 2011-12-23T16:14:32 It can't keep losing aha surely 2011-12-23T16:14:49 watch it drop to 35 2011-12-23T16:15:19 I'll be rally pissed off it it drops below that 2011-12-23T16:15:27 I finished 36 in ow 2011-12-23T16:15:38 I've lost 80 ranks today 2011-12-23T16:15:57 <_flag> Well, back to 12th 2011-12-23T16:16:05 Well, first I gained 80 ranks ;) 2011-12-23T16:16:19 today I went from 390 to 340 to 410 to 350 now 2011-12-23T16:16:21 Yeah, I was hanging around 170 (down from 140 before the finals), and now up around 215. Ugh! 2011-12-23T16:20:05 it's mostly because of map rotation 2011-12-23T16:20:23 i think :) 2011-12-23T16:21:34 Changing my strategy depending on map type didn't get even close to the top of my to-do list. 2011-12-23T16:22:20 Maybe in the next challenge I get some of my todo-list actually implemented 2011-12-23T16:24:00 Now that I know about the contest maybe I can get started early enough next time. 2011-12-23T16:24:18 my to-do list is to focus less on tweaking insignificant stuff and focus more on adding new features and having a proper testing setup 2011-12-23T16:25:07 The more people who stick around to help make the next contest, the zoo er it will be ready btw 2011-12-23T16:25:09 Sometimes something that seems insignificant can have quite some effect. 2011-12-23T16:25:54 Frib - Agreed. Instead of figuring out whether 15% or 20% is a better number of ants to stick around within defense distance, maybe actually get combat resolution right. :) 2011-12-23T16:25:56 yes but spending night after night changing a few constants just to see what changes, and then later on add something else making it obsolete is a bit silly :D 2011-12-23T16:26:03 exactly Scryer 2011-12-23T16:27:39 Ah, right. That sounds familiair :p 2011-12-23T16:27:45 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) 2011-12-23T16:27:55 That's exactly why I didn't test on tcp too much 2011-12-23T16:28:00 I just get distracted 2011-12-23T16:28:16 *** McLeopold has left #aichallenge 2011-12-23T16:28:17 And why I'm v1 o. The site 2011-12-23T16:32:07 *** stocha has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T16:32:25 *** McLeopold has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T16:32:28 http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=342951&user=398 final spurt & goal!! 2011-12-23T16:32:32 I fail to see how xathis should win over greentee 2011-12-23T16:32:34 anyone know haskell well? 2011-12-23T16:33:27 hm 2nd timeout.. 2011-12-23T16:33:37 McLeopold: i don't know it. But i wonder what you need to know :) 2011-12-23T16:33:49 GreenTea: ah, your bot have time out ? 2011-12-23T16:33:49 Stochastic xathis has a good bot 2011-12-23T16:33:54 how will the final run exactly ? 2011-12-23T16:34:02 It is running 2011-12-23T16:34:06 stocha. last game, yes 2011-12-23T16:34:12 I'm looking for a critic http://pastebin.com/fjJmbqJG 2011-12-23T16:34:21 Antimatroid: i don't say xathis is bad. I just say that i fail to see how greentea is not better 2011-12-23T16:34:26 but 2 timeouts on 141 games. not so bad 2011-12-23T16:34:33 I kow a little 2011-12-23T16:34:51 GreenTea: it can make a difference though. i guess. 2011-12-23T16:34:53 Mcleopold bmh or mm Arthur? 2011-12-23T16:35:06 GreenTea - I noticed you had a turn 0 crash earlier also. 2011-12-23T16:35:07 jmcarthur you mean? 2011-12-23T16:35:08 Jmcarthur 2011-12-23T16:35:22 iPad autocorrect is annoying 2011-12-23T16:35:44 Scryer. don't see it.. 2011-12-23T16:35:53 my question would be, can the code be faster? 2011-12-23T16:36:01 McLeopold: are you trying to build a haskell bot ? 2011-12-23T16:36:03 GreenTea http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=331374 2011-12-23T16:36:08 no, a haskell map generator 2011-12-23T16:36:44 Scryer: how do one know it's greentea that timed out ? 2011-12-23T16:36:47 GreenTea - it was fresh in my mind, since I just posted about it in the forum a few minutes ago. :) 2011-12-23T16:37:00 from looking at your haskell code, you know more about it than me :D 2011-12-23T16:37:12 stocha He's listed as the loser. 2011-12-23T16:37:14 GreenTea: so it was more that 2 timeout then ? 2011-12-23T16:37:36 Scryer: ah. It used to have some message during the first days of the beta 2011-12-23T16:37:36 But it's listed as a crash rather than a timeout, which could be different. 2011-12-23T16:37:51 stocha. yes this was crash 9 2011-12-23T16:37:52 ( 2011-12-23T16:38:07 I'm wondering if there is a faster way than mapping the show function over lists 2011-12-23T16:38:08 GreenTea: where do you see it is a crash ? 2011-12-23T16:38:26 stosha. in game visualizer 2011-12-23T16:38:31 GreenTea: the weaknesses of xathis are quite obvious, yours are not :) 2011-12-23T16:38:51 GreenTea: no stderr output either 2011-12-23T16:39:23 Although of course i can't judge combat efficiency, only strategy 2011-12-23T16:39:24 McLeopold, like java not starting. or something.. 2011-12-23T16:39:34 because combat rule is quite messy indeed 2011-12-23T16:39:58 stocha, my big weankness is combat of big count of ants 2011-12-23T16:40:02 can someone give me some hints with TrueSkill? I just played against a better ranked player (and lost). But still lost mu. I thought that when I lose against a better player this is to be expected and shouldn't affect mu? 2011-12-23T16:40:09 GreenTea: there are lots of java bots. It's wierd that only yours is affected 2011-12-23T16:40:30 You lose less mu against a better player 2011-12-23T16:40:38 bluegaspode: how much mu? 2011-12-23T16:40:39 GreenTea: can you show me an example ? 2011-12-23T16:41:08 sthocha. i tested againts Memetix in local machine 2011-12-23T16:41:21 McLeopold: -0.13 2011-12-23T16:41:22 *** meduza has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T16:41:35 in cell mazes if food spawn is big - it sompletely crush me 2011-12-23T16:41:38 bluegaspode: sigma always goes down and mu always adjusts when you win/lose 2011-12-23T16:41:45 only the amount changes 2011-12-23T16:41:49 GreenTea: is it a combat algorithm weakness ? 2011-12-23T16:41:57 if you win to #5000 player your mu will barely go up and sigma barely go down 2011-12-23T16:42:03 my luck is that on outher types of maps i completely destroy him) 2011-12-23T16:42:07 sigmas didn't change anymore 2011-12-23T16:42:21 ok - his sigma +0.01 2011-12-23T16:42:21 GreenTea: bad exploration ? 2011-12-23T16:42:23 stocha. yes 2011-12-23T16:42:39 bluegaspode: that's not too much. based on the mu/sigma of each player, it is trying to get the distributions separated in the best way possible, ie, to get the likelyhood of superiority to be about 80% for the winner 2011-12-23T16:42:39 GreenTea: I am also good on some map setups and not others, but I never bothered to work out how common the good/bad ones were 2011-12-23T16:42:46 GreenTea: why ? 2011-12-23T16:42:53 stocha. no no. battle algorihm my bot often fall back to quickly 2011-12-23T16:43:03 so, that could be shrink sigmas or adjust mu's or both 2011-12-23T16:43:04 GreenTea: ah to shy then 2011-12-23T16:43:11 GreenTea: why ? 2011-12-23T16:43:29 GreenTea: isn't it obvious that you need to be quite agressive ? 2011-12-23T16:43:40 bluegaspode: if it previously thought you only had a 30% chance of winning, you will still go down some until it thinks you have a 20% chance 2011-12-23T16:43:51 unless maybe when the frontier is very close to the nest 2011-12-23T16:44:03 stocha. trying to be carefull :) 2011-12-23T16:44:04 *** tasadar has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T16:44:21 stocha. not always it is good 2011-12-23T16:44:22 GreenTea: it doesn't seem very prudent to be carefull :) 2011-12-23T16:44:33 hhmm. I tried to calculated our ranges before the fight (mu +- 3* sigma) and my min was below his min and my max was below his max. 2011-12-23T16:44:44 sthocha. and Memetix use this. go like a tank. no step back 2011-12-23T16:44:51 GreenTea: most good bot seems quite conservative. So you need to assume they will be conservative. 2011-12-23T16:44:54 stocha - Based on his rank, I'm guessing he got the balance pretty close to right. :) 2011-12-23T16:45:12 So I thought it was to be expected that I lost, but seems I haven't been to far away from him then, so that I still had a chance of winning :) 2011-12-23T16:45:24 Scryer: i didn't test much, so i can only try to guess based on a few seen games 2011-12-23T16:45:30 bluegaspode: take the before mu and sigma for each bot and run them through the trueskill calc on microsofts site, and see what the match quality is 2011-12-23T16:45:46 It's always funny on KGS when DDKs criticise the games of high dans 2011-12-23T16:45:46 do you have a link? 2011-12-23T16:45:52 Scryer: but i prefer to observe the bot beahvior than assume that a good rank means a good behavior :p 2011-12-23T16:45:55 if the match quality isn't 0%, then there will probably be an update either way 2011-12-23T16:46:25 http://atom.research.microsoft.com/trueskill/rankcalculator.aspx 2011-12-23T16:46:29 why players played same amount of games have different sigma? 2011-12-23T16:46:39 pairofdice: i play on kgs too. The thing is, you don't know that i'm a 15k for sure :) 2011-12-23T16:46:46 pairofdice - I was playing a 4 dan player (real board) once, and he suggested "You should move faster. You'll be making the wrong move anyway." 2011-12-23T16:47:15 stocha, I don't, but GreenTea is #2 2011-12-23T16:47:17 Lot's of go players around there i see :p 2011-12-23T16:47:22 GreenTea: it depends on who they played and if it was an upset or not 2011-12-23T16:47:38 upsets cause larger sigma drops 2011-12-23T16:47:41 I'm only about 2k on KGS 2011-12-23T16:47:54 pairofdice: do you think it means he has good strategic balance ? 2011-12-23T16:48:04 also, when you are looking at multiplayer games, if the rainbow of colors is out of order, there was an upset 2011-12-23T16:48:23 I'm sure there's somewhere he can improve but the balance is pretty good 2011-12-23T16:48:25 whoever is red is supposed to beat whoever is orange and so on 2011-12-23T16:48:32 pairofdice: don't you wonder how far from optimal they may be ? (even there are a lot of parameters, the game being multiplayer on unknown maps) 2011-12-23T16:48:39 I do 2011-12-23T16:48:53 pairofdice: don't you spot some ways to make them stronger ? 2011-12-23T16:48:54 On several occasions before finals 2011-12-23T16:49:30 But my bot is 400 :) 2011-12-23T16:49:34 pairofdice: the way xathis put fooders and never move them is quite far from optimal. Although it simplify things 2011-12-23T16:49:44 Yeah, I agree 2011-12-23T16:50:14 pairofdice: so there is an obvious improvement there. Although it might not be a huge difference in the current setting 2011-12-23T16:50:49 pairofdice: The thing is, it's easier to see how bot should do things, than to implement / debug them. And then you have to prioritize of course 2011-12-23T16:50:51 Of course I try to spot the deficiencies in other bots so I could beat theam 2011-12-23T16:51:05 pairofdice: maybe what will be obivious to us i costly and innefficient 2011-12-23T16:51:13 McLeopold: ok match quality is shown as 94.9% - and this calc changes values as well (even more drastically than in this particular game) 2011-12-23T16:51:35 But when I try to make them work myself .... 2011-12-23T16:51:49 guess my education in stochastics is not good enough to understand the magic :) 2011-12-23T16:52:10 pairofdice: the beta was running for sure at least from August. And i don't thing the combat rule changed from that point. 2011-12-23T16:52:22 bluegaspode: those calcs should match almost exactly if you half the numbers 2011-12-23T16:52:47 stocha: actually, it did 2011-12-23T16:52:56 pairofdice: some people had a lot of time to build up / debug their bug, and gather their ideas. And then some might be very skilled at making those live and efficient. 2011-12-23T16:53:11 McLeopold: when did it changed ? 2011-12-23T16:53:32 uhh, now I can't remember 2011-12-23T16:53:44 McLeopold: i don't remember precisely, but it was quite fast. I don't think anyone had combat code prior to the change ... 2011-12-23T16:54:16 McLeopold: then sir_macelon and flag_capper appeared with combat code. Which was compatible with current contest. 2011-12-23T16:54:19 we went from distributing 1 point of attack across nearby enemies to the focus method 2011-12-23T16:54:43 McLeopold: i think it was before the end of august. 2011-12-23T16:55:02 yeah, I dissapeared for 2 months in there somewhere 2011-12-23T16:55:24 *** Migi32 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T16:55:39 McLeopold: no they don't - enemies sigma went up 0.01 in this game, microsofts calc reduces enemies sigma 2011-12-23T16:55:47 I dispise the combat rule. I still fail to see how "ant die on same square" will make the contest lest interesting, mathematically speaking. 2011-12-23T16:56:16 McLeopold: it clearly pushed me away from the contest. I didn't want to mess with such an arbitrary rule :p 2011-12-23T16:56:28 that could change any day beside. 2011-12-23T16:56:35 McLeopold: the game showed: enemy: 77.89 (+ 0.12), 1.31 (+0.01) me: 77.12 (-0.13) 1.37 (+0.00) 2011-12-23T16:57:07 * avdg wonders if Migi32 would stay on 32 2011-12-23T16:57:13 btw my sigma got static 2011-12-23T16:57:13 stocha: the main reason was to make it harder to pass by ant defensive lines 2011-12-23T16:57:13 Oh btw, happy Festivus. 2011-12-23T16:57:15 McLeopold: so I entered red: 77.77 1.30 blue 77.25 1.37 into that calculator 2011-12-23T16:57:26 Although when i see all the excitation in the final stage, i kind of regret a bit. 2011-12-23T16:57:33 avdg: that would be kind of awesome :D 2011-12-23T16:57:40 bluegaspode: the ms calc uses different values for initial mu, sigma and beta 2011-12-23T16:57:47 *** creation has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T16:57:54 *** flowenol has quit IRC () 2011-12-23T16:57:57 We use a 5% draw probability 2011-12-23T16:58:12 I'm not sure if you can tweak that 2011-12-23T16:58:31 McLeopold: it does make people be quite conservative with their ants. But i'm not sure they wouldn't be also with ant die on same square. Frontier would have been harder to guard though. 2011-12-23T16:59:02 you would have needed more ants, and that just slows down the game 2011-12-23T16:59:17 *** flowenol has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T16:59:20 McLeopold: depends on maps. 2011-12-23T16:59:38 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69-165-173-172.dsl.teksavvy.com> has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T16:59:46 McLeopold: draw probability can be changed in the calc, still different results (rising vs. falling sigma). Anyway: I realize it's too mach stochastics involved for my little brain, thanks for you help 2011-12-23T16:59:51 McLeopold: the current combat rule is very computing hungry, and hard to optimize. 2011-12-23T17:00:02 :) 2011-12-23T17:00:56 FWIW, the current "won at turn 1" number is 28 out of the last 1000 games, or 3%, so 5% draw rate doesn't seem outrageous. 2011-12-23T17:01:13 hard to move much 2011-12-23T17:01:28 I just won a 9p game with flag, teapoit, greentea, runevision, protcolocon 2011-12-23T17:01:31 +.35 2011-12-23T17:01:39 W00t! 2011-12-23T17:01:43 so lets hope that the next games are against weaker enemies, so that I can enter place 150 from my current #164 again 2011-12-23T17:02:24 BenJackson: wich game ? 2011-12-23T17:03:10 http://ants-score.appspot.com/?uid=7358&page=1 AAAaaaa, let me finish in the top 400 :( 2011-12-23T17:03:12 http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=343134&user=3473 2011-12-23T17:03:15 *** McLeopold has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-12-23T17:03:45 0.54 points to xathis ^^ 2011-12-23T17:03:56 BenJackson: you had a rank 29 direct neighbor 2011-12-23T17:03:58 *** sevikkk has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-12-23T17:04:12 BenJackson: doesn't it look like you were lucky on the setting ? 2011-12-23T17:04:26 GreenTea: and still 4 hours left, this is going to be interesting... 2011-12-23T17:04:29 stocha: it's a multi hill maze 2011-12-23T17:04:34 I also had runevision as a direct neighbor 2011-12-23T17:04:53 BenJackson: but did the strong bot have also weak neighbors ? 2011-12-23T17:04:53 but sure, there's obviously some luck 2011-12-23T17:05:00 I've also had some bad luck in matchups too 2011-12-23T17:05:11 xathis. yea.. 2011-12-23T17:05:12 BenJackson: yeah, there is a lot of noise for sure. 2011-12-23T17:05:32 protocolocon was the other guy next to Kurnevsky 2011-12-23T17:05:32 xathis: what sort of final would make sense ? Two players only ? 2011-12-23T17:05:47 10 strongest bot only ? 2011-12-23T17:06:00 several instance of two top players for multiplayer games ? 2011-12-23T17:06:06 my "lone" hill was across from teapot and next to runevision 2011-12-23T17:06:08 stocha: two players only would not make sence, 10 players maybe 2011-12-23T17:06:11 BenJackson - I like the way around 600++ that you're holding off GreenTea and teapotahedron along the same line. 2011-12-23T17:06:31 Scryer: that is a cool 3-way line 2011-12-23T17:07:38 another one forms on the other side around 850 2011-12-23T17:07:42 green/orange/white 2011-12-23T17:09:45 *** erdman has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T17:09:53 *** stocha has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T17:10:06 wow BenJackson: your skill goes up pretty linearly: http://ants-score.appspot.com/?uid=398&page=1 2011-12-23T17:10:47 if it continues only a little bit longer you're #1 :) 2011-12-23T17:10:57 That's GreenTea 2011-12-23T17:11:17 err, oops, sorry 2011-12-23T17:11:18 yep :) 2011-12-23T17:11:18 ie. Murashka 2011-12-23T17:11:33 no GreenTea 2011-12-23T17:11:53 *** creation has left #aichallenge ("Ex-Chat") 2011-12-23T17:11:58 Umm, yea 2011-12-23T17:21:36 *** TheLinker has quit IRC (Quit: Bye) 2011-12-23T17:25:12 the upper teens are really bunched together 2011-12-23T17:27:33 uh, did something happen? i get more smaller games lately? 2011-12-23T17:29:05 *** TwistedLogic has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T17:30:08 *** cyphase has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-12-23T17:30:09 nobody know his future...even xathis 2011-12-23T17:30:52 http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=342747&user=757 my bot has beat its personal record of how many ants it can handle... over 500... 2011-12-23T17:30:55 contestbot: seen xathis 2011-12-23T17:30:55 amstan: xathis was last seen in #aichallenge 24 minutes and 46 seconds ago: stocha: two players only would not make sence, 10 players maybe 2011-12-23T17:31:14 i'm right here amstan 2011-12-23T17:32:50 Almost got it 2011-12-23T17:33:30 *** mj41 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-23T17:33:41 *** dmj111 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T17:38:07 @rankings 2011-12-23T17:38:12 proto_: Top 10 players: xathis(90.9), GreenTea(89.9), teapotahedron(87.2), runevision(87.1), protocolocon(87.0), Memetix(86.5), lazarant(85.7), FlagCapper(85.6), pguillory(85.5), a1k0n(85.4) 2011-12-23T17:39:32 I can now understand Aron Nimzowitsch's lament (from a chess game with Sämisch) - "Why must I lose to this idiot!??" 2011-12-23T17:39:49 *** Paradoxial has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-23T17:40:38 Scryer: you must like chess ;) 2011-12-23T17:40:57 I burned out on it after writing my program. :) 2011-12-23T17:41:06 i've tried to read the wiki article on kasparov vs. the world 2011-12-23T17:41:29 i didn't understand anything from the game description 2011-12-23T17:41:42 I think my bot hates me 2011-12-23T17:42:03 Yeah, there's a lot of technical terminology in any field. 2011-12-23T17:43:10 rankings are tight. suddenly lordap jumped high above sir_macelon 2011-12-23T17:43:23 I was trying to read the Go language intro, and ran into a bunch of strange concepts that hadn't been invented the last time I lerned a language. 2011-12-23T17:43:30 he suddenly is 36th.... 2011-12-23T17:44:08 Scryer: like? 2011-12-23T17:44:18 hey i'm back in 10th. pleeeeease stay there 2011-12-23T17:44:33 contestbot: seen GreenTea 2011-12-23T17:44:33 amstan: GreenTea was last seen in #aichallenge 39 minutes and 21 seconds ago: xathis. yea.. 2011-12-23T17:44:35 everyone keeps mixing up 2011-12-23T17:44:59 Fluxid - I'll go revisit the Tour and get back in a minute. 2011-12-23T17:45:12 contestbot: later tell GreenTea when you have some time for a short interview, could you give me a ping? 2011-12-23T17:45:12 amstan: I come to serve. 2011-12-23T17:46:03 a1k0n: what did you think of this contest? harder/easier than before? 2011-12-23T17:46:29 *** moxian has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T17:46:46 Fluxid: closures. "Functions are full closure." I'm like the lectroid in Buckaroo Banzai where Buckaroo tells him "It drives like a truck." "Good. What is a truck?" 2011-12-23T17:46:53 dunno. just different. 2011-12-23T17:46:56 easier than planetwars 2011-12-23T17:47:16 Fluxid: and then there are slices and maps, which are clearer once you start seeing examples. 2011-12-23T17:47:31 a1k0n: compared to tron i mean 2011-12-23T17:47:42 harder than tron certainly 2011-12-23T17:47:49 a1k0n: how did it feel compeeting this time around? 2011-12-23T17:47:50 Scryer: ah, ok :) 2011-12-23T17:49:00 *** bearoff has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T17:49:30 uhh, i dunno. i didn't have any expectations either time 2011-12-23T17:49:41 i'm still surprised my approach works at all 2011-12-23T17:49:48 lol 2011-12-23T17:50:25 contestbot: seen mcleopold 2011-12-23T17:50:25 amstan: mcleopold was last seen in #aichallenge 50 minutes and 23 seconds ago: :) 2011-12-23T17:52:00 *** cyphase has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T17:54:21 about 3 hours left. Wondering what place I'd end up on if I lost all my matches from now on... 2011-12-23T17:54:25 @timeleft 2011-12-23T17:54:25 3 hours, 5 minutes, and 35 seconds till winner is announced! 2011-12-23T17:54:31 heh 2011-12-23T17:54:45 :) 2011-12-23T17:55:19 The suspense is not exactly palpable. 2011-12-23T17:55:19 +- a few seconds 2011-12-23T17:55:30 omg only 3 hours until the winner is announced! I wonder who it'll be 2011-12-23T17:55:32 Scryer: why do you say that? 2011-12-23T17:55:40 http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=344079&user=757 i love that game. i let orange kill blue ants, and raze blue's ants... 2011-12-23T17:55:41 Extrarius: well.. yeah.. lol 2011-12-23T17:55:44 *** grc48 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T17:56:02 Extrarius: oh.. i know! 2011-12-23T17:56:04 Scryer: closures are nothing more than fancy function pointers... the "closure" bit is that they keep the bindings of stack variables at the time the pointer was created 2011-12-23T17:56:06 @predict 2011-12-23T17:56:06 I predict welterde will win! 2011-12-23T17:56:06 amstan - xathis has been on top for over a month. 2011-12-23T17:56:10 My bot keeps losing 2011-12-23T17:56:18 Except when submitting his bots 2 and 3. :) 2011-12-23T17:56:38 Scryer: so your function pointers can be associated with a bit of extra data 2011-12-23T17:56:53 I think for the next contest, the scoreboard during the finals should show the top 100 in a randomized order and hide the scores until it's over 2011-12-23T17:57:20 Kettling - thanks. I was more bemused by the fact that the "tour" assumed that knowledge. 2011-12-23T17:57:42 Need to assume something I suppose... 2011-12-23T17:58:15 I guess. I probably haven't been learning languages recently enough... no freshies since Perl, I think. :) 2011-12-23T17:58:28 Extrarius: that would be interesting 2011-12-23T17:59:15 @roulette 2011-12-23T17:59:15 Fluxid: *click* 2011-12-23T17:59:23 Extrarius - And hide the actual games? Given the game records I suspect a number of people are driven enough to calculate the TrueSkill scores themselves. 2011-12-23T17:59:26 @roulette 2011-12-23T17:59:26 Migi32: *click* 2011-12-23T17:59:26 amstan: actually, based on the idea of shirt.woot.com contests - the top 10 have scores hidden but 11..100 show scores 2011-12-23T17:59:31 @roulette 2011-12-23T17:59:31 rwest_: *click* 2011-12-23T17:59:32 Extrarius: a lot of things could be more polished, i wish we had more time to develop it 2011-12-23T17:59:43 @roulette 2011-12-23T17:59:43 pairofdice: *click* 2011-12-23T17:59:45 Extrarius: yeah, exactly 2011-12-23T17:59:51 Scryer: man perlsub /closure 2011-12-23T18:00:06 Day changed to 24 Dec 2011 2011-12-23T18:00:08 bah 2011-12-23T18:00:23 3 hours 2011-12-23T18:01:06 fluxi: now you can take advantage of the christmas spirit 2011-12-23T18:01:14 Oh man, what has happened to my bot 2011-12-23T18:01:16 don't make me @unload games 2011-12-23T18:01:24 over in the US they don't have it yet :) 2011-12-23T18:01:29 amstan: I'd love to help for next round 2011-12-23T18:01:30 bluegaspode: with me disliking christmas... 2011-12-23T18:01:38 Extrarius: know python? 2011-12-23T18:01:43 just don't tell your ants 2011-12-23T18:01:54 Noooooooo, momobot is in front of me 2011-12-23T18:02:06 yes, I know python well 2011-12-23T18:02:14 Extrarius: perfect, how do you feel about django? 2011-12-23T18:02:16 i just went 10->11->9 in a few minutes 2011-12-23T18:02:19 this is crazy 2011-12-23T18:02:30 up from know your ants will wear little red hats and enemies will be afraid 2011-12-23T18:02:42 amstan: I don't feel anything about it - I know it's a python web framework, but nothing more than that 2011-12-23T18:02:52 teapot went 3->5->6 in few minutes 2011-12-23T18:02:54 *** horatius has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T18:03:04 Extrarius: i was hoping to use it for the zeta website 2011-12-23T18:03:13 shit is super fast right now 2011-12-23T18:03:13 A1k0n I was like 21 last night 2011-12-23T18:03:17 Extrarius: maybe some twisted stuff for the worker communication 2011-12-23T18:03:18 Now I'm 32 aha 2011-12-23T18:03:24 games are rolling one after another 2011-12-23T18:03:30 this is map set changing 2011-12-23T18:03:49 *** Frib has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-12-23T18:03:54 How have map sets changed? 2011-12-23T18:04:21 i wish i get above 70th place.. 2011-12-23T18:04:58 Fluxid: weren't you also a top 10 bot for a while? I mean, in november 2011-12-23T18:04:58 Maps haven't been removed have they? 2011-12-23T18:05:21 Antimatroid no, just rotate 2011-12-23T18:05:30 yeah, i was. right before finals i was somewhere around 30th place 2011-12-23T18:05:45 amstan: I like django already after just reading their slogan of "The web framework for perfectionists with deadlines." 2011-12-23T18:06:11 django is an abomination 2011-12-23T18:06:15 *** Paradoxial has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T18:06:15 i'm not sure about that one, but i really like the Don't repeat yourself slogan 2011-12-23T18:06:20 Fluxid: why? 2011-12-23T18:06:47 amstan: personal adventures. just had to do projects that doesn't fit in django at all 2011-12-23T18:06:55 and it's bsd license, which gives it a boost in my eyes 2011-12-23T18:07:09 Fluxid: do you think it would fit with our project? 2011-12-23T18:07:30 *** bluegaspode has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T18:07:44 amstan: can't say. many things changed since last time i had contact with django :) 2011-12-23T18:07:56 Fluxid: would you be against using it though? 2011-12-23T18:08:00 are you going to recode the whole site? 2011-12-23T18:08:04 Fluxid: maybe you have better suggestions 2011-12-23T18:08:07 Migi32: yes, hopefully 2011-12-23T18:08:10 0.65 points to xathis 2011-12-23T18:08:32 amstan: why? Is there a problem with the current code? 2011-12-23T18:08:43 Migi32: yes... 2011-12-23T18:08:58 no, when saying it's an abomination i was mostly joking :) but i were you i'd check if queries you use now in current site translate to django orm nicely 2011-12-23T18:09:16 if i were* 2011-12-23T18:10:54 Migi32: there's this one long rant by mcleopold somewhere 2011-12-23T18:11:51 amstan: ah, cool, cause I was glancing over the code on github and it doesn't look nearly as bad as some other projects I've had to work with 2011-12-23T18:12:15 so I'll read the mcleopold rant :) 2011-12-23T18:12:36 Migi32: he deleted it in the latest fiasco with the rankings not getting updated it seems: https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/blob/74096b246b14496ccc482a299e4cfeba799fb1d0/website/api_get_task.php#L29 2011-12-23T18:14:12 amstan: ah yes, the problem is PHP in general. I fully agree :D 2011-12-23T18:14:40 nothing majorly wrong with what we have so far(except it's kinda home grown and inextensible) 2011-12-23T18:16:40 0.25 points to xathis 2011-12-23T18:16:42 uh, then mcleopold might rant about django orm not supporting *insert random relative db term here* ;) but then again, something could change to better! (i still love sqlalchemy) 2011-12-23T18:17:31 Migi32: we had to do stuff like this: https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/commit/a9caaf7aa65dfd21753693e4fb350b65f263e318 2011-12-23T18:17:51 Fluxid: i'm sure you can extend the django orm 2011-12-23T18:18:49 oh GreenTea you're not really going to snipe the #1 spot are you? :D 2011-12-23T18:19:41 )) 2011-12-23T18:19:59 Migi32: his bot does do lose against xathis, but that's not the only thing that matters 2011-12-23T18:20:13 it also matters how well you own the other bots too 2011-12-23T18:20:29 http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=344420&user=398, lucky win on this stupid map 2011-12-23T18:20:51 *** Surya has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T18:20:55 That would be so brutal 2011-12-23T18:21:05 Taking 1 at this stage 2011-12-23T18:21:18 GreenTea: what do you mean lucky? that was a good game, well played 2011-12-23T18:21:51 lucky because 1 turn and he will take food. defend -> win 2011-12-23T18:21:52 Antimatroid kept retreating 2011-12-23T18:21:55 I can barely bare to watch the demise of my ranking 2011-12-23T18:21:58 that was fatal 2011-12-23T18:22:57 Antimatroid you've taken my #32 spot from me :p 2011-12-23T18:23:12 Migi32 my bot is going down 2011-12-23T18:23:18 It didn't take any spots 2011-12-23T18:23:44 Look at it's recent history, it's a disaster 2011-12-23T18:23:53 0.19 points 2011-12-23T18:24:25 Holy crap I just saw how close greentea is to xathis 2011-12-23T18:24:33 Lost to migi32 too 2011-12-23T18:25:05 F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5! 2011-12-23T18:25:41 0.17 2011-12-23T18:25:41 Lol 2011-12-23T18:25:47 :) 2011-12-23T18:26:11 @rankings 2011-12-23T18:26:12 amstan: Top 10 players: xathis(90.1), GreenTea(89.9), runevision(87.3), protocolocon(87.2), lazarant(86.5), Memetix(86.5), teapotahedron(86.4), pguillory(85.6), a1k0n(85.5), FlagCapper(85.4) 2011-12-23T18:26:19 oh man... 2011-12-23T18:26:23 * Murashka still bets on xathis 2011-12-23T18:26:27 *** dr0b3rts has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T18:26:33 I'm just back and wtf, xathis might lose his 1st place! oO 2011-12-23T18:26:39 At the very end 2011-12-23T18:26:44 What the.... tepotahedron down to 7 2011-12-23T18:26:52 tea* 2011-12-23T18:27:07 nice to see protocolocon 2011-12-23T18:27:11 *** meduza has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T18:27:13 Yeah rankings are still completely all over the place 2011-12-23T18:27:21 A lot more churn than we've been getting up until the last hour or two. Interesting! 2011-12-23T18:27:29 http://ants-score.appspot.com/?uid=teapotahedron 2011-12-23T18:27:44 heh 2.5 hours left 2011-12-23T18:28:07 I need my bot to start winning again 2011-12-23T18:28:16 Did someone modified the ants score app gollum made? So we can compare 2 different players over X games? Would be very nice 2011-12-23T18:28:24 i won't sleep while I don't see Greentea beats xathis or loses 2011-12-23T18:28:38 @rankings 2011-12-23T18:28:40 Antimatroid: Top 10 players: xathis(89.9), GreenTea(89.9), runevision(87.2), protocolocon(87.2), lazarant(86.5), Memetix(86.5), teapotahedron(86.4), pguillory(85.6), a1k0n(85.5), FlagCapper(85.4) 2011-12-23T18:28:48 D: 2011-12-23T18:28:51 So close 2011-12-23T18:28:52 oO 2011-12-23T18:28:52 god 2011-12-23T18:29:04 0.03 2011-12-23T18:29:09 ... 2011-12-23T18:30:15 what is this I don't even 2011-12-23T18:30:16 this is pretty interesting stuff, lol 2011-12-23T18:30:25 yeah, this has never happened before 2011-12-23T18:30:38 not with 2 hours to go, lol 2011-12-23T18:30:42 i wonder why it took so long 2011-12-23T18:30:42 I'm at my in-law's house and can't watch the matches. DEAR GOD WHAT DID IDO TO DESERVE THIS PUNISHMENT? 2011-12-23T18:30:50 @rankings 2011-12-23T18:30:52 is this really all caused by the "rotation" of maps that Murashka talked about? 2011-12-23T18:30:52 amstan: Top 10 players: xathis(89.9), GreenTea(89.9), runevision(87.2), protocolocon(87.2), lazarant(86.5), Memetix(86.5), teapotahedron(86.4), pguillory(85.6), a1k0n(85.5), FlagCapper(85.4) 2011-12-23T18:30:57 87.2, 87.2 and 86.5 86.5 2011-12-23T18:31:02 haha 2011-12-23T18:31:11 xathis: i bet you're dying right now, lol 2011-12-23T18:31:19 i am 2011-12-23T18:31:23 xathis: it was probably a game you lost or something, you went down in skill 2011-12-23T18:31:28 He has to stay in front 2011-12-23T18:31:42 If he even gets there 2011-12-23T18:31:53 3 bots at 86 skill, very close together 2011-12-23T18:31:55 yeah 2011-12-23T18:31:56 this game: http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=344573&user=4513 2011-12-23T18:32:02 he ended up second 2011-12-23T18:33:00 Playing in a game right now 2011-12-23T18:33:16 oshit 2011-12-23T18:33:41 amstan epic defence from xathis.. 2011-12-23T18:33:53 yeah, he played well, really watched over his hill 2011-12-23T18:33:55 Oh god oh god oh god 2011-12-23T18:33:56 but wasn't enough 2011-12-23T18:34:06 autorefresh on the game list engaged 2011-12-23T18:34:16 *Playing in a game right now. so long! 2011-12-23T18:34:30 lol 2011-12-23T18:34:38 Maybe in the same game as Xathis :) 2011-12-23T18:34:48 maybe, imagine that 2011-12-23T18:35:28 where's that game? lol 2011-12-23T18:35:33 My bot started to play much better a few hours ago.. When did you change maps? 2011-12-23T18:35:43 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T18:35:45 yay 2011-12-23T18:35:47 oh no 2011-12-23T18:35:48 noooooo 2011-12-23T18:35:50 2nd again 2011-12-23T18:35:50 it has happened 2011-12-23T18:35:52 @rankings 2011-12-23T18:35:54 amstan: Top 10 players: GreenTea(90.2), xathis(89.7), runevision(87.2), protocolocon(86.8), lazarant(86.7), teapotahedron(86.7), Memetix(86.3), pguillory(85.6), FlagCapper(85.5), ChrisH(85.4) 2011-12-23T18:35:59 and we have it! 2011-12-23T18:36:03 oh man 2011-12-23T18:36:03 congrats GreenTea, you really made it! 2011-12-23T18:36:15 * Murashka still bets on xathis :) 2011-12-23T18:36:24 OMFG 2011-12-23T18:36:26 still haz time to retake 2011-12-23T18:36:28 greentea won his game too 2011-12-23T18:36:52 woah 2011-12-23T18:37:02 *** Manwe56 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T18:37:02 that was epic.. 2011-12-23T18:37:08 but... why? 2011-12-23T18:37:11 place your bets 2011-12-23T18:37:12 Wow 2011-12-23T18:37:13 his mu is .3 higher 2011-12-23T18:37:18 * GreenTea take screenshot before it is not too late.. 2011-12-23T18:37:36 GreenTea: you have chat logs to proove it if you really have to, lol 2011-12-23T18:37:45 lol, anyway congrats guys 2011-12-23T18:37:47 Wanta see my screenshot after my Game 4 #1 position? :) 2011-12-23T18:37:53 I didn't even fix the bug in my bot ;p 2011-12-23T18:38:05 Scryer: i really wanna know what happened to lobster 2011-12-23T18:38:11 only one first place in my last 8 games, this can only get better! 2011-12-23T18:38:28 Scryer. )) 2011-12-23T18:38:34 Xathis I keep telling myself similarly 2011-12-23T18:38:40 And it keeps getting worse 2011-12-23T18:38:51 Antimatroid: uh oh 2011-12-23T18:38:55 At least I didn't lose to the rank 60 bot it gave me just before 2011-12-23T18:39:00 think positive the bot at 500 could jump to first place 2011-12-23T18:39:08 now that would be epic 2011-12-23T18:39:31 * Antimatroid is still going for xathis 2011-12-23T18:39:47 Antimatroid whats your rank 2011-12-23T18:39:49 No offense green tea :) 2011-12-23T18:40:02 Flowenol 32 and dropping 2011-12-23T18:40:07 hey xathis 2011-12-23T18:40:15 are you involved in a class ? 2011-12-23T18:40:16 I want to beat momobot 2011-12-23T18:40:35 there are many other from you university 2011-12-23T18:40:57 *** newbie|2 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T18:41:00 i already beat who i wanted 2011-12-23T18:41:06 And then I lose again 2011-12-23T18:41:24 *** meduza has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T18:41:47 Redgis: i know a lot of them but we've only met once and talked about the ai challenge 2011-12-23T18:42:22 I wonder if this would've happened in previous contests too. The winners there were also very far ahead of the 2nd place bots, but if we had only let them play more games... :) 2011-12-23T18:42:49 ok 2011-12-23T18:42:52 do anybody know when the next contest will start? 2011-12-23T18:43:03 so I can start working on it earlier and make a real bot ;p 2011-12-23T18:43:05 ph and xathis have you publised you source code ? :) 2011-12-23T18:43:07 I wouldn't have guessed an hour ago that there was even a contest left here, much less a nail-biter. 2011-12-23T18:43:18 -ph +oh 2011-12-23T18:43:23 Redgis: not yet but i will in a few hours 2011-12-23T18:43:31 i see it is getting interesting 2011-12-23T18:43:36 ahe great, I was hopping for this 2011-12-23T18:43:37 *** moxian has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-12-23T18:43:53 Redgis: you hope he used something looking like your ideas? :P 2011-12-23T18:44:15 Getting is a bit of an understatement ;) 2011-12-23T18:44:17 I wonder what are the concept he used yes 2011-12-23T18:44:27 "The suspense is not exactly palpable." <- less than 1 hour ago :) 2011-12-23T18:44:28 heh http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=344790&user=398 2011-12-23T18:44:30 cause he's quite above every ohter bot 2011-12-23T18:44:31 @rankings 2011-12-23T18:44:39 Redgis: he's the 2nd one now 2011-12-23T18:44:44 newbie|2: Top 10 players: GreenTea(90.3), xathis(89.7), runevision(87.3), protocolocon(86.9), lazarant(86.9), teapotahedron(86.8), Memetix(86.3), pguillory(85.5), FlagCapper(85.5), fourmidable(85.4) 2011-12-23T18:44:57 i really well tuned my bot for 1000 moves XDD 2011-12-23T18:45:06 oh didn't see the last rankings 2011-12-23T18:45:16 but still ... 2011-12-23T18:45:24 *** sevikkk has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T18:45:25 *** onion42 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T18:45:38 if the leaders release their source, it will be very interesting 2011-12-23T18:45:45 *** newbie|2 has left #aichallenge 2011-12-23T18:45:58 I wonder if GreenTea can hold onto the lead for 2 hours :P 2011-12-23T18:46:43 ooo, I haven't been paying attention, the lead has changed, interesting 2011-12-23T18:46:57 Green tea wins again 2011-12-23T18:47:00 and it keeps getting worse 2011-12-23T18:47:09 *** Surya has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T18:47:42 Yep 2011-12-23T18:47:43 0.86 lead already 2011-12-23T18:47:46 Oh noes 2011-12-23T18:47:54 *** WarrenP has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T18:49:01 *** Scryer has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-23T18:49:14 *** moxian has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T18:49:22 *** ChrisH_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T18:49:51 wow, GreenTea overtakes xathis in the last few hours, can he hold on to 1st? 2011-12-23T18:50:15 He blitzes past him 2011-12-23T18:50:18 some last minute drama 2011-12-23T18:50:30 ChrisH my bot is failing me miserably 2011-12-23T18:50:32 can if maps give it to him 2011-12-23T18:50:39 Momobot is above me damnit! 2011-12-23T18:50:59 GreenTea did you put some if (date == december 24) code in your bot? :p 2011-12-23T18:51:13 )))) 2011-12-23T18:51:26 Antimatroid: still a few games left to pass him again. 2011-12-23T18:51:46 So, will 2 hours be enough to safely declare "rank stabilized!" for the top spot? 2011-12-23T18:51:48 I hope I get some good maps to get me back into top 10. 2011-12-23T18:51:50 Or drop even lower :p 2011-12-23T18:52:05 *** roflmao has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T18:52:11 so xathis won? 2011-12-23T18:52:18 The contest has to end some time 2011-12-23T18:52:23 It isn't going to be extended 2011-12-23T18:52:26 roflmao: not so fast 2011-12-23T18:52:40 roflmao: seen the rankings lately 2011-12-23T18:52:59 I think we're mostly understanding of that 2011-12-23T18:53:02 How low does the pairing cutoff go? 2011-12-23T18:53:11 do you have any idea when will be the next challenge ? 2011-12-23T18:53:11 500 2011-12-23T18:53:12 oh wait duh 2011-12-23T18:53:15 it's still running xD 2011-12-23T18:53:17 protocoloco has made a late surge as well 2011-12-23T18:53:21 I think just to make it interesting, all the sigmas should be set to 10 for the last few minutes =-P 2011-12-23T18:53:35 it seems last year there was "fall 2010" and "winter 2010" 2011-12-23T18:53:58 was no spring, nor summer was it ? 2011-12-23T18:54:00 Yeah ants took longer to get ready than we were hoping 2011-12-23T18:54:42 oh i see, preparation time 2011-12-23T18:55:55 ChrisH wow yeah he's third now 2011-12-23T18:56:14 for the next contest, how about a turn-based strategy game where the attributes of the units available are randomly created each game (with all sides having the same options) 2011-12-23T18:56:49 Too complicated to watch 2011-12-23T18:57:05 (are there already some plans for the next challenge ?) 2011-12-23T18:57:20 (-some +any) 2011-12-23T18:57:22 Redgis: yes, there are some on the forums 2011-12-23T18:57:24 Not many I don't think 2011-12-23T18:57:38 Migi32: plans or suggestions? 2011-12-23T18:57:40 We'll start making them in the next few weeks 2011-12-23T18:57:48 oh plans, no not that I know of 2011-12-23T18:57:56 only suggestions so far I think 2011-12-23T18:58:02 I imagine anyway 2011-12-23T18:58:09 (Tanks!) 2011-12-23T18:59:11 WHAT THE HECK PEOPLE 2011-12-23T18:59:17 I leave to do some errands, GreenTea is in #1 2011-12-23T18:59:26 teapot slips to 6?! 2011-12-23T18:59:27 :) 2011-12-23T18:59:41 It's been exciting that's for sure 2011-12-23T18:59:46 was there a parameter change 2011-12-23T18:59:53 ;-) 2011-12-23T18:59:57 yep turntime is 5 now :) 2011-12-23T19:00:01 haha 2011-12-23T19:00:16 2 hours! 2011-12-23T19:01:25 woah 2011-12-23T19:01:30 More like change of attack radius aha 2011-12-23T19:01:35 what happened here 2011-12-23T19:01:49 aliens. 2011-12-23T19:01:59 it was strange map serie...I lost 1 point of skill on it too...I think now all will back on their places 2011-12-23T19:02:04 *** horatius has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T19:02:53 awwww 2011-12-23T19:02:55 @rankings 2011-12-23T19:03:03 * Fluxid slaps contestbot 2011-12-23T19:03:07 Yay, I can still beat momo at least 2011-12-23T19:03:19 Fluxid: Top 10 players: GreenTea(90.2), xathis(89.4), protocolocon(87.3), runevision(87.2), lazarant(87.0), teapotahedron(86.5), Memetix(86.3), pguillory(85.7), fourmidable(85.6), FlagCapper(85.4) 2011-12-23T19:03:35 WTF IS HAPPENNING 2011-12-23T19:03:40 *** Jacob_Strauss has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T19:03:50 THE WORLD^W AI CHALLENGE IS ENDING 2011-12-23T19:04:00 it's gonna be an exciting finish 2011-12-23T19:04:38 more exciting than I thought 2011-12-23T19:04:43 This is our first upset 2011-12-23T19:04:43 nice 2011-12-23T19:04:44 wait 2011-12-23T19:04:45 greentea 2011-12-23T19:04:46 If it happens 2011-12-23T19:04:46 is winning 2011-12-23T19:04:47 what 2011-12-23T19:04:48 nice 2011-12-23T19:05:14 mush more exciting than planet wars 2011-12-23T19:06:25 how more games could be with current game rate? 2011-12-23T19:06:40 *** meduza has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T19:06:42 you've got to do it by 500 bots / time from the server page 2011-12-23T19:06:45 because you're in a game constantly 2011-12-23T19:06:45 157 157 pairing algorithm stucks ? 2011-12-23T19:06:45 *** meduza has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T19:06:46 *** aarossig has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-12-23T19:07:02 GreenTea: but offhand my first thought was that it was unlikely you could be dethroned in time 2011-12-23T19:07:36 greentea is not showing in too many games with xathis ;) 2011-12-23T19:08:03 i have 6 games in last hour 2011-12-23T19:08:16 so, ~ 12 more games 2011-12-23T19:08:19 will see.. 2011-12-23T19:09:13 It has been a while since the last games 2011-12-23T19:09:43 new player got sucked into the top 500 and is getting caught up 2011-12-23T19:09:46 I think we've been running about 6 games/hour since the cut to 500 2011-12-23T19:10:01 protocolocon on 3rd place 2011-12-23T19:10:04 amaizing 2011-12-23T19:10:31 black horse 2011-12-23T19:11:04 Janzert is that bad? 2011-12-23T19:11:09 *** Speedy_Consoles has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T19:11:34 not really, it's just why the top of the ranks have a bit of a pause 2011-12-23T19:11:43 Hold on to those remaining game estimates 2011-12-23T19:11:51 janzert: who is that player? 2011-12-23T19:11:55 oh the algorithm is catching them up? 2011-12-23T19:11:58 that's kind of a bug 2011-12-23T19:12:03 should note that for next time 2011-12-23T19:12:18 it's because the least played player is always chosen as a seed 2011-12-23T19:12:34 *** cheeser_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T19:12:37 remember that switch was made a few days ago to even out games in the finals more 2011-12-23T19:13:01 Ah okay cool 2011-12-23T19:13:30 bretep: bpreece by the looks of it 2011-12-23T19:13:49 I volunteer to play those 500 seeds ;-) 2011-12-23T19:14:31 woot, I just got a win over xathis, protocolocon and pguillory to move back into 10th 2011-12-23T19:16:15 Poor flag 2011-12-23T19:16:19 Out of the 10 2011-12-23T19:16:29 yeah, one of your ants luckily got to the food paradise :D 2011-12-23T19:16:36 yep 2011-12-23T19:16:49 especially lucky because I usually lose those maps 2011-12-23T19:17:11 This was a bad time for this game ate mix up 2011-12-23T19:17:17 Rate* 2011-12-23T19:17:40 ? 2011-12-23T19:17:43 I've had hardly any games recently 2011-12-23T19:17:47 it's pretty much a continual thing 2011-12-23T19:17:48 now I am hoping for one or maybe two more good wins to take over the lead for the US. 2011-12-23T19:18:10 Janzert: but isn't it catching that bot up at the bottom? 2011-12-23T19:18:30 not solely 2011-12-23T19:18:31 contestbot: seen j3camero 2011-12-23T19:18:31 amstan: j3camero was last seen in #aichallenge 22 hours, 16 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: Some of the game ideas on the forums are awesome. 2011-12-23T19:18:41 There's also 100 other bots playing at the same time 2011-12-23T19:19:09 Antimatroid: there are 40+ servers running, that's a lot of games going on at once, I doubt that bot is in all of them 2011-12-23T19:19:14 Rating difference between 500 and 501 isn't big. 500th losing a match might do that trick again :x 2011-12-23T19:19:32 Maybe I just got too many games ahead 2011-12-23T19:19:43 Stivo is 500th now :v 2011-12-23T19:19:48 With 99 games 2011-12-23T19:20:18 Can a bot play on more than one server simultaneously? 2011-12-23T19:20:31 Antimatroid: i think so 2011-12-23T19:20:36 Ie. Would it be using up more than one server catching up? 2011-12-23T19:20:50 all bots in the top 500 are now caught up to at least 157 games at the moment 2011-12-23T19:20:57 Cool 2011-12-23T19:21:11 @rankings 2011-12-23T19:21:12 display in the rankings may lag that of course 2011-12-23T19:21:12 there are only 0.65 skill points separating 8th and 14th, really close race in that range 2011-12-23T19:21:17 amstan: Top 10 players: GreenTea(90.0), xathis(89.4), protocolocon(87.2), lazarant(87.0), runevision(87.0), teapotahedron(86.5), Memetix(86.3), pguillory(85.7), ChrisH(85.5), fourmidable(85.5) 2011-12-23T19:21:30 *** Redgis has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-23T19:21:48 Antimatroid: yes, it can 2011-12-23T19:21:50 janzert: i don't like this though, the top few bots are kinda randomly ranked 2011-12-23T19:22:07 but it's rare for a bot to be behind my 40+ games and use all the workers up 2011-12-23T19:23:10 *** Anilm3 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T19:23:13 Amstan: I think a lot of the bots are just similarly in skill, with different strengths 2011-12-23T19:23:15 If a bot from 500+ gets into top 500 it can happen 2011-12-23T19:23:29 *** Cowbandit has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T19:23:31 Antimatroid: yeah, but who do we put on top then? 2011-12-23T19:23:36 We have to end it sometime and I thi k everyone will agree a decent number of games have been played 2011-12-23T19:23:46 *** Anilm3 has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-12-23T19:23:54 Antimatroid: we could end it now technically 2011-12-23T19:23:55 whoever is on top at 9pm when I shut down the servers 2011-12-23T19:23:59 no more Stivo in top 500 2011-12-23T19:24:06 Antimatroid: we could have ended it before xathis took 2nd 2011-12-23T19:24:10 that's just the way it works 2011-12-23T19:24:19 janzert: sounds fair, lol 2011-12-23T19:24:22 but we agreed on 9pm days ago 2011-12-23T19:24:27 playing in another game, could be good, could be bad. ;) 2011-12-23T19:24:44 Amstan that's why the end time is pre determined and common knowledge, so there can be no bias over the current rankings when ending it 2011-12-23T19:25:18 Antimatroid: that's assuming that nobody acuses of of rigging because the game that's in progress in the last second 2011-12-23T19:25:29 and good thing there is a big counter at the top of the web pages so no one is confused about time zones or anything 2011-12-23T19:25:31 given that it's this close I'm even debating about leaving the channel and not looking at rankings when there are about 5 minutes to go 2011-12-23T19:25:39 Sure, you'll always have them 2011-12-23T19:25:48 But this minimizes any legitimate grievance 2011-12-23T19:25:55 it would help to have the manager automatically stop handing out games 2011-12-23T19:26:12 yeah.. is it possible to script it to stop the games at exactly 9pm 2011-12-23T19:26:14 without user input? 2011-12-23T19:26:18 it was bad, lost to xathis :( 2011-12-23T19:26:24 it's not set up for that no :( 2011-12-23T19:26:33 and I'd rather not add it this late 2011-12-23T19:26:35 yeah, something to do for next time 2011-12-23T19:26:40 don't add it now :< 2011-12-23T19:26:40 *** ScsiOverdrive has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T19:26:40 janzert: oh yeah, how much money do we have left? 2011-12-23T19:26:48 Yeah just stop it without looking 2011-12-23T19:27:07 No extension 2011-12-23T19:27:08 some extra, won't really know till the end of the month 2011-12-23T19:27:16 ok 2011-12-23T19:27:18 I think that'd be a bad idea 2011-12-23T19:27:21 but I wasn't able to spend as much on finals as I hoped :/ 2011-12-23T19:28:13 How much of the servers are from totaalnet? 2011-12-23T19:28:32 yeah, an extension of time now I would be agreeing with the critics that it is a manipulation of the rankings 2011-12-23T19:28:34 ChrisH_: you just brought xathis a little more to the top :D 2011-12-23T19:28:36 bretep: 12 2011-12-23T19:28:43 0.56, gap growing smaller 2011-12-23T19:28:50 @rankings 2011-12-23T19:28:52 amstan: Top 10 players: GreenTea(90.0), xathis(89.5), protocolocon(87.3), runevision(87.1), lazarant(87.0), teapotahedron(86.7), Memetix(86.2), pguillory(85.7), ChrisH(85.4), FlagCapper(85.4) 2011-12-23T19:28:55 janzert extension? hell no 2011-12-23T19:28:56 Give be root PW and I'll do it, I'm drunk so even if I wanted to infulence my bot I'm probably past the balmer value and likely to make it worse ;P 2011-12-23T19:29:05 Speedy_Consoles: I beat him in the previous game though, so I'm not helping that much. ;) 2011-12-23T19:29:15 how about a crontab which just kill -9's all python processes? 2011-12-23T19:29:38 QGazQ: that's on 40 different hosts 2011-12-23T19:29:50 QGazQ: good luck syncronizing them 2011-12-23T19:29:51 it'll only take me about 15 seconds at the most, don't worry 2011-12-23T19:30:00 I think I've figured out why the rankings are so poor, though 2011-12-23T19:30:07 Wouldn't it be easier to stop the matchmaking engine first, then kill the workers 2011-12-23T19:30:11 the matchmaker tries to make games where people have better and worse opponents 2011-12-23T19:30:17 janzert tons of connections prepare them all and execute by hand? 2011-12-23T19:30:17 ntpd + cron, but yer was kidding 2011-12-23T19:30:27 but the duration of the games, size of the maps and food levels is causing a lot of unecessary stalemates 2011-12-23T19:30:35 so games where you finish in th emiddle are unnecessarily indecisive 2011-12-23T19:30:47 flowenol: no, I just terminate them through the control panel of ec2 and totaalnet 2011-12-23T19:31:02 As far as I see it this is for fun, your guys are doing as best you can, so whatever the number I got it good 2011-12-23T19:31:04 BenJackson: Also, games where one bot dominates and there is a big tie for last don't help sort things out either 2011-12-23T19:31:10 *is 2011-12-23T19:31:26 ChrisH_: although in many of those I looked at the rankings were quite clear to a human 2011-12-23T19:31:28 Also games don't fully stabilize 2011-12-23T19:31:37 eg players held out for very distinct lengths of time 2011-12-23T19:31:45 BenJackson: yes, but the way the game is scored that is lost 2011-12-23T19:31:50 yep 2011-12-23T19:32:03 I mentioned that here weeks before finals. 2011-12-23T19:32:13 but I don't have a better solution. 2011-12-23T19:32:20 I just didn't see quite as many stalemates before the finals 2011-12-23T19:32:34 janzert: totaalnet cp? 2011-12-23T19:32:34 there are a couple of maps that seem more stalemate prone 2011-12-23T19:32:36 some of them would be solved at 1250 or 1500 turns 2011-12-23T19:32:37 if we had scored it to include that there is a worry that everyone would have become to defensive 2011-12-23T19:32:45 ChrisH_: one reason not to use all NEW maps in the finals... 2011-12-23T19:33:09 ChrisH_: I also think it would be mitigated a lot by simply having more food 2011-12-23T19:33:10 but I also think that the quality of the combat logic is a lot more equal in a larger number of top bots now than before 2011-12-23T19:33:18 i thought we had some sort of stalemate detection for map rejection 2011-12-23T19:33:25 the game is an initial push followed by a slow dominance due to territory 2011-12-23T19:33:32 on low food rate maps the territory dominance just takes too long 2011-12-23T19:33:35 maybe that was planet wars 2011-12-23T19:33:46 janzert ahh 2011-12-23T19:33:47 it's possible that even low food games should have ramped up to some higher minimum after 500 turns 2011-12-23T19:33:57 or not during the finals 2011-12-23T19:34:13 I just found an ant walking in my monitor (a live one) that must mean something 2011-12-23T19:34:19 lol 2011-12-23T19:34:26 I have a mouse in my attic 2011-12-23T19:34:29 bug in the monitor is good luck 2011-12-23T19:34:33 i am brushing up on antlr 2011-12-23T19:34:39 not exactly the same ;) 2011-12-23T19:34:46 Atleast then it's not in the source 2011-12-23T19:34:50 That might make a good forum thread, what could have been done better and how? 2011-12-23T19:34:57 *** gustavokambara has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T19:35:13 I'll take a 2nd of 5 with Greentea in 1st at this point, it's + points anyway 2011-12-23T19:35:15 GreenTea: did you see this? http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=331374 2011-12-23T19:35:30 only .03 behind pguilory now 2011-12-23T19:35:38 i also had a crash once 2011-12-23T19:35:41 i have no clue why 2011-12-23T19:35:59 I don't think my bot has crashed once that I've seen 2011-12-23T19:36:00 BenJackson, yes 2011-12-23T19:36:05 *** gustavokambara has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-12-23T19:36:07 *** ikaros has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T19:36:11 That's a first for me in ai contests 2011-12-23T19:36:21 BenJackson, don't know what is it 2011-12-23T19:36:25 GreenTea: is that legit due to initial food or? 2011-12-23T19:36:28 ok 2011-12-23T19:36:39 My lines goes up http://ants-score.appspot.com/?uid=12187&page=1 2011-12-23T19:36:41 I had a really badly timed timeout earlier today, I had just gained the upper hand and... timeout. ARGH. oh well 2011-12-23T19:36:51 ChrisH_: I had one in a 1v1 vs antimatroid 2011-12-23T19:36:58 ouch 2011-12-23T19:37:02 wow 2011-12-23T19:37:08 xathis isnt first anymore 2011-12-23T19:37:13 whats going on :O 2011-12-23T19:37:15 ikaros: welcome to the club 2011-12-23T19:37:22 =) 2011-12-23T19:37:27 BenJackson, i can't get bot input on this map. so 2011-12-23T19:37:29 just came home from a party and then this 2011-12-23T19:37:30 hehe 2011-12-23T19:38:04 BenJackson looks like some bug, ,maby java not started, i dont know 2011-12-23T19:38:26 GreenTea: how much time does your bot take on an average turn? 2011-12-23T19:39:01 GreenTea: you could probably construct it by hand. Looks like it started with food next to one of the ants? 2011-12-23T19:39:02 totally unrelated to the timeout, I know, but I'm just interested :) 2011-12-23T19:39:09 It seems to have crashed on turn one, so the only input would be the map stats 2011-12-23T19:39:16 turn zero* 2011-12-23T19:39:21 *** rebelxt has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T19:39:53 that's all i see, yeah 2011-12-23T19:40:37 http://pastebin.ca/2096095 2011-12-23T19:40:52 another stupid 1st, 2nd, 3rd 3rd 3rd 3rd 3rd game 2011-12-23T19:41:10 *** dr0b3rts has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T19:41:10 in which once again I was the "best" 3rd place which dose me no good 2011-12-23T19:41:53 oh man, i should have logged in earlier 2011-12-23T19:42:24 stderr is kind of interesting 2011-12-23T19:43:24 lead is down to 0.51 now :-S 2011-12-23T19:43:49 GreenTea: did you get a error printed in that game? 2011-12-23T19:43:58 this is one of the more bizarre games I've had, points to a shotcoming in my exploration code, but luckily I win anyway. http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=345366&user=10 2011-12-23T19:44:34 *** _ANTi_ <_ANTi_!63e751ed@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.231.81.237> has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T19:44:36 oh that stupid map 2011-12-23T19:44:41 I wonder if I've played it yet 2011-12-23T19:45:00 your ant really wants to go back and help 2011-12-23T19:45:12 is it just me or do a lot of the new maps have the ant hills within point blank range of each other? 2011-12-23T19:45:13 no, the problem is that it doesn't see any food 2011-12-23T19:45:18 *** FranPeruzzi has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T19:45:46 ChrisH explo over maximizing vision :p 2011-12-23T19:45:48 and it is stuck against the wall so it keeps reexploring seen territory because it is stuck in a local minimum 2011-12-23T19:45:50 Explore 2011-12-23T19:46:21 Ant should have owned that 2011-12-23T19:46:50 Antimatroid: i think it would have worked if it hadn't been stuck against the wall, but that's not a situation i saw much in testing, rarely is an ant out there with no food and none of my ants coming up behind it 2011-12-23T19:46:58 Man my bot hates me 2011-12-23T19:47:35 then it got locked in 1v1 combat with another ant and in that case it won't explore anymore 2011-12-23T19:47:45 just a weird situation 2011-12-23T19:47:49 I do have a food bonus in combat 2011-12-23T19:47:57 to try to get 1v1 ants to edge toward food 2011-12-23T19:48:02 @rankings 2011-12-23T19:48:03 sashaSochka: Top 10 players: GreenTea(90.2), xathis(89.6), runevision(87.5), protocolocon(87.3), lazarant(87.0), teapotahedron(86.9), pguillory(85.7), Memetix(85.7), ChrisH(85.7), fourmidable(85.4) 2011-12-23T19:48:09 I do too but I don't think I sampled the moves well format 2011-12-23T19:48:22 Similarly I screwed up sampling moves with hills nearby 2011-12-23T19:48:26 yes, food, but I don't care about exploring. Many games in the finals I've thought I should have added that. 2011-12-23T19:48:58 Exploring will get you the food when ants start close 2011-12-23T19:49:10 Ie. Maps like that 2011-12-23T19:49:20 Although similarly without the one choke point 2011-12-23T19:49:32 I like exploring but since I added code to definitively engage ants there are cases where I should have ignored enemies early and explored 2011-12-23T19:50:17 Antimatroid: normally my ants do explore, but that opening situation was a hole in the logic that I never saw until now. 2011-12-23T19:50:38 *** analyst74 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T19:51:15 Ugh, what a bad time to go on a losing streak :) 2011-12-23T19:51:51 I was right on analyst74s heels for a bit 2011-12-23T19:51:54 *** numerek has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T19:51:55 oh, I know how to stop everything best. At the deadline I'll just stop the pairing script, since the php no longer creates matchups once the queue empties out everything will just stop 2011-12-23T19:52:10 janzert: I thought I suggested that above. 2011-12-23T19:52:12 Janzert that sounds best 2011-12-23T19:52:26 janzert: glad you thought of it. ;) 2011-12-23T19:52:30 so we'll still play ~100 more games after the cutoff? 2011-12-23T19:52:38 janzert: but then 9pm is not when everything stops 2011-12-23T19:52:44 ChrisH he'll still have to stop that script manually 2011-12-23T19:52:45 ChrisH_: surely you're familiar with that technique 2011-12-23T19:52:55 suggest something to someone, wait for them to turn around and suggest it back, congratulate them on a fine idea 2011-12-23T19:52:56 that's a little sketchy, people will expect to see the results at 9 2011-12-23T19:53:08 janzert: how about at 8:50 you do that? 2011-12-23T19:53:09 amstan: it won't exactly no, but it should be only 10-15 minutes later. 2011-12-23T19:53:27 it took me over an hour to get the results out after planetwars deadline 2011-12-23T19:53:29 how about next time I flip over to 15th 2011-12-23T19:53:31 I keep doing that to mcstar 2011-12-23T19:53:35 But months later 2011-12-23T19:53:43 Should you also stop accepting game results from the workers into the DB at 9pm? 2011-12-23T19:53:52 ScsiOverdrive, still an hour left, could run 10+ games 2011-12-23T19:54:08 ChrisH_: there's not a good way to do that 2011-12-23T19:54:13 janzert: i think it'll be smoother if we just kill the workers directly 2011-12-23T19:54:21 A few Xathis greentea games needed 2011-12-23T19:54:25 Thered be no need to stop the other script then 2011-12-23T19:54:35 BenJackson: Ever seen this one: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ConeOfAnswers 2011-12-23T19:54:43 Bretep we can't adjust how things run now 2011-12-23T19:54:55 hmm, I rather like that there is no way for anyone to know the results when we stop it if we stop the it but killing the pairing script 2011-12-23T19:55:00 holy @#!%, GreenTea has risen! 2011-12-23T19:55:10 s/but/by 2011-12-23T19:55:21 *** boreus has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T19:55:26 I know Antimatroid 2011-12-23T19:55:34 since there will be about 50-100 games that will finish out after killing it 2011-12-23T19:55:55 Janzert I like it 2011-12-23T19:55:58 ChrisH_: yes, I learned long ago that the most important thing to find out was that people were *really* trying to do 2011-12-23T19:56:04 Can I suggest someone make a forum post? 2011-12-23T19:56:14 janzert: oh! 2011-12-23T19:56:17 janzert: change the worker key 2011-12-23T19:56:17 Or even better print it on the homepage 2011-12-23T19:56:31 amstan: that' s no better than just killing the workers 2011-12-23T19:56:44 we could still know what the result is at the moment we do it 2011-12-23T19:56:45 ChrisH_: the other thing I've noticed is that sometimes I'm sent to help someone. so I grill them about what's going on. in the process I find they know both the problem AND the solution, they just didn't see it 2011-12-23T19:56:57 janzert: oh.. i see, that's your goal then 2011-12-23T19:57:01 BenJackson: yep 2011-12-23T19:57:02 has +2 games comparet to xathis 2011-12-23T19:57:10 he has all opotunities 2011-12-23T19:57:20 to come back 2011-12-23T19:57:21 *** FalloutBoy has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T19:57:44 arr I'm .1 behind delineate and .3 behind Murashka 2011-12-23T19:57:49 just a few good games 2011-12-23T19:57:56 er .01 and .03 2011-12-23T19:58:05 BenJackson: but then there are many times where they are just clueless. Too many of those encounters and you start looking for a better place to work, that was the situation where I was working when the story I linked occurred. 2011-12-23T19:58:18 janzert: yeah, but something like the worker_key can be scripted with an at job 2011-12-23T19:58:38 ChrisH_: my favorite intervention was when a VP put me on a problem (which I later found out had been going on for a full quarter and had cost some revenue) 2011-12-23T19:58:52 ultimately I think my purpose was to shame the guy who was responsible for it into actually working on it 2011-12-23T19:58:57 *** creation has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T19:59:09 janzert: I'd accept the current standings as final. ;) 2011-12-23T19:59:18 @rankings 2011-12-23T19:59:19 amstan: Top 10 players: GreenTea(90.3), xathis(89.7), protocolocon(87.4), runevision(87.3), lazarant(87.0), teapotahedron(86.9), Memetix(85.7), ChrisH(85.7), pguillory(85.5), fourmidable(85.4) 2011-12-23T19:59:26 ChrisH_: why? 2011-12-23T19:59:29 he had to show me how to use the special debug hardware and I gathered some info to show what the problem was and then he worked around it in software 2011-12-23T19:59:33 crap, c2 link. There goes my evening. 2011-12-23T19:59:42 and I didn't think it was a big deal until the solution of the problem was announced at the next company meeting 2011-12-23T19:59:42 Because he's #8 2011-12-23T19:59:45 I'm #1 in my country and language and I don't think I'll go up more than #8 2011-12-23T20:00:09 although memtix is catchable i suppose 2011-12-23T20:00:29 ChrisH I had all my little things checked off before, now I've lost like half of them 2011-12-23T20:00:29 well this game is taking a long time 2011-12-23T20:00:32 hopefully the game I'm in is going well for me, it's taking a while 2011-12-23T20:00:34 1 hour bofore casino closing 2011-12-23T20:00:36 hopefully that means I'm winning and not stalemating 2011-12-23T20:00:39 ChrisH_: :) 2011-12-23T20:00:43 o=e 2011-12-23T20:00:53 *** aarossig has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T20:01:17 I'm out of top 25 and 30, momobot is beating me, the stinger is beating me, fml 2011-12-23T20:01:39 Next I'll finish worse than 36 2011-12-23T20:01:46 Antimatroid: you are really hoping for six good games in a row then 2011-12-23T20:01:54 Pretty much 2011-12-23T20:02:05 ChrisH_: hey I'm helping you out 2011-12-23T20:02:06 I just want to beat momo and 36 now 2011-12-23T20:02:08 beat pguillory 2011-12-23T20:02:13 BenJackson: nice, thanks 2011-12-23T20:02:18 Ladies and gentlemen, place your bets. 2011-12-23T20:02:27 Murashka also won though so I only got back to 16 2011-12-23T20:03:09 *** ikaros has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat) 2011-12-23T20:03:22 if I get a good string of games maybe I still have a shot at top 5, but I also have a shot at worse than top 10, the tension is mouting 2011-12-23T20:03:26 mounting 2011-12-23T20:03:30 I think he lost by ninja capping me early 2011-12-23T20:03:31 it was my favorite map type 2011-12-23T20:03:34 in a multi-hill maze 2011-12-23T20:03:37 @timeleft 2011-12-23T20:03:37 56 minutes and 23 seconds till winner is announced! 2011-12-23T20:03:39 @rankings 2011-12-23T20:03:41 sashaSochka: Top 10 players: GreenTea(90.0), xathis(89.9), protocolocon(87.4), runevision(87.2), lazarant(87.0), teapotahedron(86.9), Memetix(85.7), ChrisH(85.4), pguillory(85.4), fourmidable(85.4) 2011-12-23T20:03:46 I've had such a long bad streak I just need it to end 2011-12-23T20:03:47 ohhhh 2011-12-23T20:03:56 ouch, that game wasn't good for me, but you got a nice spot BenJackson 2011-12-23T20:03:57 woah! 2011-12-23T20:04:05 Xathis ;) 2011-12-23T20:04:08 maybe just say greentea and xathis are ex aequo winners 2011-12-23T20:04:29 89.97 vs 89.93 atm 2011-12-23T20:04:29 ouch, GreenTea came in a lone 4th out of 4 2011-12-23T20:04:36 @rankings 2011-12-23T20:04:37 Fluxid: Top 10 players: GreenTea(90.0), xathis(89.9), protocolocon(87.4), runevision(87.2), lazarant(87.0), teapotahedron(86.9), Memetix(85.7), ChrisH(85.4), pguillory(85.4), fourmidable(85.4) 2011-12-23T20:04:41 wow, very close at #1 and #2 2011-12-23T20:04:47 hmmmm, contestbot rounds skill 2011-12-23T20:04:48 :( 2011-12-23T20:04:48 Playing in a game right now! 2011-12-23T20:04:53 * Murashka still bets on xathis 2011-12-23T20:04:53 me too 2011-12-23T20:04:56 Janzert what have you decided on? 2011-12-23T20:04:59 ChrisH_: sorry to turn on you in the very next game :) 2011-12-23T20:05:15 I think green tea and xathis should most importantly know what will happen 2011-12-23T20:05:20 janzert: ok, hit stop, that was a good run 2011-12-23T20:05:20 Antimatroid: I'm planning on stopping the matchup script at 9pm exactly 2011-12-23T20:05:28 wow, crazy fluctuations, GreenTea and xathis 2011-12-23T20:05:29 BenJackson: haha, I'm still ahead of pguillory though, so it wasn't too painful 2011-12-23T20:05:49 gap is now down to 0.04! 2011-12-23T20:05:56 *** bhasker has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T20:06:03 wow flip in ranks 58 minutes before end 2011-12-23T20:06:07 greentea leading 2011-12-23T20:06:12 wow xathis really stole some kills from me in that one 2011-12-23T20:06:21 protocolocon moves up to 3rd 2011-12-23T20:06:22 bhasker: hey 2011-12-23T20:06:22 I was a few moves away from winning outright 2011-12-23T20:06:33 bhasker: old news, now xathis might pop to top agian! 2011-12-23T20:06:35 If you're stopping it at 9, will some games end after? 2011-12-23T20:06:35 i'm not even watching every game anymore 2011-12-23T20:06:46 oh I didn't watch most of my overnight games 2011-12-23T20:06:47 lets see 2011-12-23T20:06:53 my bot did so badly ll 2011-12-23T20:06:54 lol 2011-12-23T20:06:56 stuck at 945 2011-12-23T20:07:05 ok won the next game, partial recovery 2011-12-23T20:07:09 Bhasker my bot is getting worse I swear 2011-12-23T20:07:25 now i'm 0.02 from 14th 2011-12-23T20:07:26 you are in the top 35 2011-12-23T20:07:29 stop complaining:p 2011-12-23T20:07:44 you get to complain when you are in the 900-1000 range 2011-12-23T20:07:47 yep 2011-12-23T20:07:49 again 1 2011-12-23T20:07:52 I'm top 381 (I'm 381 atm) 2011-12-23T20:07:59 xathis back 2011-12-23T20:08:05 I've been ranked anywhere from 4th to 12th today. 2011-12-23T20:08:16 @rankings 2011-12-23T20:08:27 much closer this year thank it was last year 2011-12-23T20:08:27 sashaSochka: Top 10 players: xathis(90.1), GreenTea(90.0), protocolocon(87.4), runevision(87.2), lazarant(86.8), teapotahedron(86.7), ChrisH(85.6), Memetix(85.6), pguillory(85.4), fourmidable(85.4) 2011-12-23T20:08:29 really tight in that cluster 2011-12-23T20:08:32 mega1 dominated last time 2011-12-23T20:08:32 0.16 to xathis :) 2011-12-23T20:08:33 Bhasker I was sitting around 20 yesterday 2011-12-23T20:08:38 I was 23rd briefly and mostly 15-18 2011-12-23T20:08:39 THEY FLIPPED 2011-12-23T20:08:46 WWWWW 2011-12-23T20:08:58 did mega1 not compete this year? 2011-12-23T20:09:03 Nope 2011-12-23T20:09:04 bhasker: no 2011-12-23T20:09:08 Stayed well away 2011-12-23T20:09:09 *** ttj_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T20:09:10 GG trueskill ;-) 2011-12-23T20:09:12 heh 2011-12-23T20:09:14 yay 2011-12-23T20:09:15 He popped into irc the other day 2011-12-23T20:09:20 @rankings 2011-12-23T20:09:21 onion42: Top 10 players: xathis(90.1), GreenTea(90.0), protocolocon(87.4), runevision(87.2), lazarant(86.8), teapotahedron(86.7), ChrisH(85.6), Memetix(85.6), pguillory(85.4), fourmidable(85.4) 2011-12-23T20:09:22 i will laugh and laugh and laugh if it ends in a tie 2011-12-23T20:09:27 heh 2011-12-23T20:09:30 So will I 2011-12-23T20:09:43 That would be nice 2011-12-23T20:09:45 go xathis! go xathis! go xathis! 2011-12-23T20:09:53 GreenTea: was your push to #1 too soon? 2011-12-23T20:09:59 Speedy_Consoles: hahaha ;) 2011-12-23T20:10:03 heh 2011-12-23T20:10:07 go GreenTea, go GreenTea 2011-12-23T20:10:11 i wonder what will we all do after an hour 2011-12-23T20:10:15 it is practically a tie if they are that close in skill. maybe one will have higher skill and the other higher mu, that could be a contested ending 2011-12-23T20:10:18 * Fluxid bets on himself 2011-12-23T20:10:20 ;) 2011-12-23T20:10:29 bhasker: My wife said something about celebrating, which I took to mean the end of my play-by-play of the finals 2011-12-23T20:10:35 tie would be awesome 2011-12-23T20:10:39 haha :) 2011-12-23T20:10:41 to less time 2011-12-23T20:10:51 *** Garf has quit IRC (Quit: Make a new plan, Stan!) 2011-12-23T20:10:52 this is so exciting :D 2011-12-23T20:10:55 i will probably have more time next year 2011-12-23T20:10:55 i'm planning a late push for 1st, currently in 420th, but I could make a comeback :) 2011-12-23T20:10:56 4 maximum 5 games 2011-12-23T20:11:01 before next bad map wave? 2011-12-23T20:11:02 baby kept me too busy this year to spend time on the bot 2011-12-23T20:11:03 :( 2011-12-23T20:11:08 all will depends from maps 2011-12-23T20:11:08 who knows 2011-12-23T20:11:12 xathis has higher sigma so if he wins it's outright 2011-12-23T20:11:19 GT would only have to win by .03 2011-12-23T20:11:23 to negate sigma 2011-12-23T20:11:43 *** ttj_ has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-12-23T20:11:50 are only the top 100 bots or so being played now? 2011-12-23T20:11:54 bhasker: absence of motivation kept me too lasy this year to spend time on the bot 2011-12-23T20:12:00 *lazy 2011-12-23T20:12:04 top 500 i think 2011-12-23T20:12:09 ah k 2011-12-23T20:12:14 one yay, we made it closer to 200 than 100 which even yesterday I didn't think we would manage 2011-12-23T20:12:15 it should be just top 2 :P 2011-12-23T20:12:18 I got a game in mid 200s about 30s ago 2011-12-23T20:12:19 GreenTea: and who the other bots in the games are 2011-12-23T20:12:27 didnt think everyone would improve their bots so much the last day :D 2011-12-23T20:12:36 i was rank 20 when the finals started 2011-12-23T20:12:55 uh, oh, playing in another game, crossing my fingers 2011-12-23T20:12:55 maybe if its too close between xathis& greentea 2011-12-23T20:13:01 there should be like a 100 game match up 2011-12-23T20:13:02 between them 2011-12-23T20:13:05 to decide the winner 2011-12-23T20:13:14 you mean 1on1? 2011-12-23T20:13:14 *** ttj_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T20:13:17 that wouldnt be good 2011-12-23T20:13:17 yea 2011-12-23T20:13:21 why not? 2011-12-23T20:13:24 bhasker - yes! 2011-12-23T20:13:25 because its not all about 1on1 2011-12-23T20:13:27 I'm up to 14, meduza must have lost one 2011-12-23T20:13:33 bhasker: that is completely different than the rest of the contest has been 2011-12-23T20:13:41 bhasker: stop slacking off ;-) babies are not a valid excuse 2011-12-23T20:13:42 in 1x1 i kick his ass 2011-12-23T20:13:45 *** bretep has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T20:13:52 Seine to xathis, I'll take that 2011-12-23T20:13:55 but they have already proven that they are pretty close 2011-12-23T20:13:57 in the contest 2011-12-23T20:14:00 BenJackson: yep, came in 4th of 4 2011-12-23T20:14:01 so only 1v1 remains! 2011-12-23T20:14:02 @rankings 2011-12-23T20:14:03 sashaSochka: Top 10 players: xathis(90.3), GreenTea(90.0), protocolocon(87.6), runevision(86.9), lazarant(86.8), teapotahedron(86.7), ChrisH(85.6), fourmidable(85.5), pguillory(85.5), Memetix(85.4) 2011-12-23T20:14:12 rebelxt! 2011-12-23T20:14:16 how is your bot doing! 2011-12-23T20:14:26 1v1 is a different set emphasis of skills 2011-12-23T20:14:39 but if they tie on the regular format 2011-12-23T20:14:43 why not make them go head on 2011-12-23T20:14:44 Memetix might drop out of top10 :( 2011-12-23T20:14:47 ChrisH_: but then Murashka won one, so I'm at 15th again with them on either side... but opposite sides 2011-12-23T20:14:51 yes, especially when it comes to trading ants 1 for 1 in combat not costing as much 2011-12-23T20:14:52 If skill is same, sigma breaks tie? 2011-12-23T20:14:53 not bad rebel 95! 2011-12-23T20:14:59 these finals are not really settling :) 2011-12-23T20:14:59 it's messing around at #95 ;-) was hoping you would do this years contest. last year was so much fun 2011-12-23T20:15:06 i did do 2011-12-23T20:15:10 but just didn't have enough time 2011-12-23T20:15:17 so i am languishing at 945 2011-12-23T20:15:28 and my latest version which could have bumped that up 2011-12-23T20:15:29 a lot 2011-12-23T20:15:33 never compiled on the server 2011-12-23T20:15:38 bhasker: i had a little one too, so little time to work on this contest :( 2011-12-23T20:15:39 bhasker: 945 is pretty much final for you, right? 2011-12-23T20:15:40 BenJackson: I don't think it is a stable system in the localized standings. 2011-12-23T20:15:40 and i dind't have time to fix it before deadline 2011-12-23T20:15:43 #419 is where the cool kids are at 2011-12-23T20:15:46 yes 2011-12-23T20:15:48 I assume top 500 bots are not getting ejected clear to 945 at this point 2011-12-23T20:16:01 i doubt it would have gone higher anyway 2011-12-23T20:16:06 it has been at the same skill range 2011-12-23T20:16:07 for last 2 days 2011-12-23T20:16:08 *** JorgeB has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-23T20:16:18 my main problem was timeouts 2011-12-23T20:16:20 onion42: nigerian scams? 2011-12-23T20:16:26 so many games my bot just times out due to stupid minmax for battle 2011-12-23T20:16:34 maybe i should have just implemented memetix's battle 2011-12-23T20:16:39 or a1k0ns 2011-12-23T20:16:45 well, i just narrowed the game between me and teapot, but it's probably too big to close before the end, just hoping to hold onto 7th. 2011-12-23T20:16:47 and focussed on strategy 2011-12-23T20:16:54 mine does minimax, but its too conservative and gets into silly deadlocks 2011-12-23T20:17:00 yeah timeouts were a problem for me too 2011-12-23T20:17:08 i don't timeout though :) 2011-12-23T20:17:36 Bhasker I just got phd funding so hopefully I might have a bit more time too 2011-12-23T20:17:37 like this http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=334683&user=13197 2011-12-23T20:17:45 I might not get seeded again 2011-12-23T20:17:47 nice grats antimatroid! 2011-12-23T20:17:48 which might work out well for me 2011-12-23T20:17:48 bhasker: you have to do next year's contest! 2011-12-23T20:17:56 i will hopefully :) 2011-12-23T20:18:00 this year there were too many things 2011-12-23T20:18:01 Cheers 2011-12-23T20:18:05 i had a decent bot till they changed the rules 2011-12-23T20:18:11 with all the hill stuff 2011-12-23T20:18:25 Hill stuff made the game though 2011-12-23T20:18:29 Antimatroid: congrats on the funding. 2011-12-23T20:18:38 then i was too busy between a new job and baby to spend enough time 2011-12-23T20:18:39 I'm glad we went back to them 2011-12-23T20:18:47 there is more luck in the game since that hill stuff imo 2011-12-23T20:18:50 0.12 difference 2011-12-23T20:18:58 *** boreus has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T20:19:04 ChrisH_ cheers 2011-12-23T20:19:07 Antimatroid: grats 2011-12-23T20:19:16 only thing i would have liked is for hill to have a visibility of its own 2011-12-23T20:19:17 you can be the one with most ants at the end of the game but still lose it 2011-12-23T20:19:19 at all times 2011-12-23T20:19:19 :) 2011-12-23T20:19:24 Antimatroid: that's a nice holiday gift I suppose. 2011-12-23T20:19:25 its going to be close :) 2011-12-23T20:19:33 I can only say cheers so many times people :p 2011-12-23T20:19:33 yea sad:-\ 2011-12-23T20:19:39 you can do that with guards 2011-12-23T20:19:42 Yeah got told a couple of days ago 2011-12-23T20:19:43 that visibility thing 2011-12-23T20:19:52 another timeoutgame 2011-12-23T20:19:53 http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=333138&user=13197 2011-12-23T20:20:03 GreenTea will win by alphabetical order 2011-12-23T20:20:26 random_walk_p02 it's like poison for xathis 2011-12-23T20:20:29 janzert: IS there a secondary sort key for the leaderboard?? 2011-12-23T20:20:32 Rebelxt how's the baby going? And bhasker akshara? 2011-12-23T20:20:38 < 40m 2011-12-23T20:20:43 onion42 )) 2011-12-23T20:20:43 I guess the mus and sigmas are probably stored beyond 2 decimal places 2011-12-23T20:20:44 BenJackson: yes, it's player id 2011-12-23T20:20:55 ow 2011-12-23T20:21:01 well, they will both have rank 1 don't know what the display order would be though 2011-12-23T20:21:13 ties do show a tied rank 2011-12-23T20:21:15 BenJackson: I figured that out when the finals were just starting and I was always near the top of the group with no games played 2011-12-23T20:21:19 *** ttj__ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T20:21:32 akshara is doing great 2011-12-23T20:21:34 8 months old now 2011-12-23T20:21:38 I'm back to a position I'd be happy to end in 2011-12-23T20:21:43 Now to hold it 2011-12-23T20:21:54 oh yeah thanks for that random game against protocolocon which I lost to no surprise and has exactly fuck all to do with me vs the people actually near me 2011-12-23T20:22:10 rebel didnt know you had a baby too 2011-12-23T20:22:11 *** ttj_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T20:22:14 how old is your baby 2011-12-23T20:22:30 BenJackson settle d: 2011-12-23T20:22:39 almost half my games are lost due to timeouts when i was leading:-\ 2011-12-23T20:22:42 *** meduza_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T20:22:47 could have probably been a few hundred ranks up if not for stupid timeouts 2011-12-23T20:22:59 I'm stuck in another long game it seems. 2011-12-23T20:23:04 which my newer version was better at too 2011-12-23T20:23:11 two failed uploads on dec 17th:( 2011-12-23T20:23:19 my bot must know the time is almost up, its getting nervous and throwing games 2011-12-23T20:23:24 I'm glad my upload didn't fail 2011-12-23T20:23:31 I had nothing to fall back on 2011-12-23T20:23:41 i was using a custom hash for hash_map 2011-12-23T20:23:51 i think gcc4.5 they moved the templates out of tr1 2011-12-23T20:23:55 into std or something 2011-12-23T20:24:04 i jsut didnt have time to fix it and then something came up on 18th 2011-12-23T20:24:09 so had no time to spend on it 2011-12-23T20:24:21 I can't see sigmas etc on the iPad :( 2011-12-23T20:24:25 *** flowenol has quit IRC () 2011-12-23T20:24:36 Antimatroid: doing great. this one was the 2nd one so pretty easy ;) 2011-12-23T20:24:41 *** flowenol has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T20:24:42 interesting xathis just lost to flagcapper 2011-12-23T20:24:52 *** meduza has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T20:24:57 I've never heard someone describe kids as easy 2011-12-23T20:25:09 ah rebel how old is your kid now 2011-12-23T20:25:10 Good for flag 2011-12-23T20:25:19 I expect him to be 3rd 2011-12-23T20:25:26 Expected* 2011-12-23T20:25:27 Anamatroid: Blackberry either. Been really frustrating trying to check my standings at work :D 2011-12-23T20:25:31 going back to the predictions being made when finals were just starting, it looks like runevision is the big surprise in the top 10. 2011-12-23T20:25:32 bhasker: 3m ;-) 2011-12-23T20:25:48 ah nice just done with the boring parts 2011-12-23T20:26:02 loving our daughter at 8 months she is so much fun now 2011-12-23T20:26:12 *** gustavokambara has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T20:26:16 ChrisH_ yeah I don't remember him at all from before 2011-12-23T20:26:19 first 3 months she would just give all of us stares! 2011-12-23T20:26:45 bhasker: haha, same here 2011-12-23T20:26:46 interesting though this time not many interpreted language bots in the top 2011-12-23T20:26:54 almost all java/c++ 2011-12-23T20:26:57 he's got a link to his blog in his profile. his pathfinding works a lot like mine, but with different parameters, I don't know how he did combat though 2011-12-23T20:27:01 with some pascal thrown in 2011-12-23T20:27:18 i have no pathfinding at all :D 2011-12-23T20:27:23 just bfs 2011-12-23T20:27:29 java is not interpreted language? 2011-12-23T20:27:44 Bfs is path finding 2011-12-23T20:27:48 Java is half half 2011-12-23T20:27:53 *** JorgeB has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T20:28:05 java is not even close to interpreted IMO 2011-12-23T20:28:09 Its first compiled to byte code, then on the fly compiled to native IIRC 2011-12-23T20:28:12 java is a compiled language 2011-12-23T20:28:30 all java code is byte compiled to jvm then jit optimized to native 2011-12-23T20:28:42 not really interpreted at that point 2011-12-23T20:28:43 I love the quote that goes something like if java had true garbage collection it would kill most programs upon execution 2011-12-23T20:28:54 *** ttj__ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T20:28:55 it is compiled to byte code and then JIT compiled at run time. it runs pretty fast and this contest plays well to a JIT compiler as well I think 2011-12-23T20:29:11 anyway the bots get a 500 ms startup or 5 second startup 2011-12-23T20:29:15 which is more than enough to jit compile 2011-12-23T20:29:17 not quite as fast as C though :P 2011-12-23T20:29:26 not like the ICFP where they always try to slant things in a very functional way and often invoke the program once per turn with input 2011-12-23T20:29:26 3000ms before turn one 2011-12-23T20:29:34 I use like a second of my startup time on large maps 2011-12-23T20:29:53 i don't do anything at startup:-\ 2011-12-23T20:30:00 *** Frib has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T20:30:03 Antimatroid: well if path finding is finding a path from one specified location to another specified location, then i have none ;) 2011-12-23T20:30:32 onion42: perhaps not as fast as hand optimized C, but I bet the java JIT compiler can do better inlining and so forth in many cases 2011-12-23T20:30:48 30 min to finish 2011-12-23T20:30:51 frankly i think the speed difference at these levels is immaterial 2011-12-23T20:30:53 i calculate some attack areas at startup 2011-12-23T20:31:02 and the view of an ant 2011-12-23T20:31:02 interesting, 1st place is still up in the air considering 0.12 diff 2011-12-23T20:31:04 it will be more your algorithms and data structure choices that matter 2011-12-23T20:31:11 the run time of java vs c/c++ will not matter much 2011-12-23T20:31:57 Except maybe torn 2011-12-23T20:32:07 @echo [rankings] [timeleft] 2011-12-23T20:32:21 I had to get rid of all my lovely vectors and replace them with C-style arrays in my combat code to get a speedy minimax, and in the end i shouldve just copied memetix's method :P 2011-12-23T20:32:22 0.12 to xathis 2011-12-23T20:32:24 Top 10 players: xathis(90.2), GreenTea(90.0), protocolocon(87.7), runevision(86.9), lazarant(86.8), teapotahedron(86.4), ChrisH(85.7), pguillory(85.6), fourmidable(85.5), Memetix(85.4) 27 minutes and 37 seconds till winner is announced! 2011-12-23T20:32:25 ... 2011-12-23T20:32:26 0.18 2011-12-23T20:32:34 oh man 2011-12-23T20:32:35 wow it's going to be very close 2011-12-23T20:32:36 xathis back on top 2011-12-23T20:32:49 yep 0.18 now 2011-12-23T20:32:59 can we expect another 5 games to be played before the end of the contest? 2011-12-23T20:33:01 @echo [rankings 2] [timeleft] 2011-12-23T20:33:02 And 30m 2011-12-23T20:33:02 Top 2 players: xathis(90.2), GreenTea(90.0) 26 minutes and 58 seconds till winner is announced! 2011-12-23T20:33:09 >.> 2011-12-23T20:33:21 Can someone make a IRC Bot that does a countdown? 2011-12-23T20:33:22 :P 2011-12-23T20:33:33 let's not and say we did 2011-12-23T20:33:37 Cowbandit: I'd say more like 3 or 4 games to go 2011-12-23T20:33:37 Can we get top 2 every minute or two? 2011-12-23T20:33:40 why would vectors be any slower than c-style arrays? 2011-12-23T20:33:49 vectors are effectively a cstyle array for most purposes? 2011-12-23T20:33:51 @timeleft 2011-12-23T20:33:51 26 minutes and 9 seconds till winner is announced! 2011-12-23T20:33:56 bhaskar: because i'm a c++ noob 2011-12-23T20:33:58 bhasker: unless it was vector 2011-12-23T20:33:58 QGazQ: ↑ 2011-12-23T20:33:59 :) 2011-12-23T20:34:10 i think vector is a specialized implementation 2011-12-23T20:34:10 my combat got faster when I dropped vector 2011-12-23T20:34:16 it is 2011-12-23T20:34:20 it's a bit set 2011-12-23T20:34:28 ChrisH: hmm do you think that's enough for a comeback? 2011-12-23T20:34:31 hmm and its still slower? 2011-12-23T20:34:34 So I should set a mirc event to run @timeleft and @rankings every min? :) 2011-12-23T20:34:39 vector 2011-12-23T20:34:51 I could just watch the web page, but you know 2011-12-23T20:35:01 but i think it uses 1 byte per 8 bools? 2011-12-23T20:35:02 lol that too 2011-12-23T20:35:02 maybe contestbot can be programmed in such way, dunno 2011-12-23T20:35:05 i was using 2d vectors, was causing some slowdown when i was adding stuff in sub-optimally 2011-12-23T20:35:06 Cowbandit: greentea could take the lead again in 3 or 4 games if they go well and xathis has a loss or two 2011-12-23T20:35:17 ah i see 2011-12-23T20:35:19 *** moxian has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-12-23T20:35:23 wish i'd known about reserving lol :D 2011-12-23T20:35:26 you can replace the 2d vector with just a 1d vector with indexing functions 2011-12-23T20:35:27 o man i'm so curious to see who wins 2011-12-23T20:35:31 it will be as fast as a c array 2011-12-23T20:35:45 or i could just use a c array :) 2011-12-23T20:35:52 *** foRei has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-12-23T20:35:54 enogh just 1 bad game from one and 1 good from another one 2011-12-23T20:35:56 but you don't get the nice vector semantics:) 2011-12-23T20:36:08 onion42 check my bots source for a matrix struct in c++ 2011-12-23T20:36:11 24 minutes left, Next game should be within 20 minutes. Will you cut games? 2011-12-23T20:36:14 C is strangely wholsome 2011-12-23T20:36:20 wholesome* 2011-12-23T20:36:25 it should be linked on the first page in the forums 2011-12-23T20:36:26 i hate writing code in C 2011-12-23T20:36:35 all the **ptr makes me pull my hair out 2011-12-23T20:36:38 thanks Animatroid, i will take a look :) 2011-12-23T20:36:41 Bhasker yes you do 2011-12-23T20:37:00 My writeup is ready! code is in there, but it's quite a lot of text http://xathis.com/posts/ai-challenge-2011-ants.html 2011-12-23T20:37:24 xathis thanks 2011-12-23T20:37:29 (cue lots of traffic to xathis's site) 2011-12-23T20:37:36 xathis: awesome, thanks! 2011-12-23T20:37:43 I need just 0.09 to get in the top 100 2011-12-23T20:38:06 boom 2011-12-23T20:38:20 https://github.com/antimatroid/AntimatroidAnts/blob/master/Matrix.h 2011-12-23T20:38:25 sashaSochka: seen you in a lot of games today since our ranks have been close 2011-12-23T20:38:45 *** amstan has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-12-23T20:39:48 xathis: thanks for the writeup, i'll read it a bit later, but I've got it bookmarked 2011-12-23T20:39:59 yep 2011-12-23T20:40:04 xathis: awesome writing, will definetely read this 2011-12-23T20:40:18 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T20:40:18 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-12-23T20:40:32 *** moxian has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T20:40:35 xathis: oh, and I don't know if it's good or bad, but your sample game has me coming in 2nd. :/ 2011-12-23T20:40:50 @rankings 2011-12-23T20:40:52 amstan: Top 10 players: xathis(90.2), GreenTea(89.9), protocolocon(87.6), lazarant(86.7), runevision(86.6), teapotahedron(86.5), ChrisH(86.0), Memetix(85.6), pguillory(85.5), FlagCapper(85.5) 2011-12-23T20:41:02 xathis: you'd better fix your post mortem 2011-12-23T20:41:05 Admins, stop it... I'm 100 ↑ 2011-12-23T20:41:14 ChrisH_: second of 8! I think that's good enough 2011-12-23T20:41:28 xathis: yeah 2011-12-23T20:41:45 xathis: I'm going to be very interested to read your article. 2011-12-23T20:41:45 doh, played a bad game near the end] 2011-12-23T20:42:16 interesting xathis you used minmax 2011-12-23T20:42:21 Did any of the top bots use diffusion? or was it BFS all the way? 2011-12-23T20:42:33 and i have a similar approach of creating ministates for combat 2011-12-23T20:42:44 except one bug i never got around to fixing was not making moves that cause ants to wrap around 2011-12-23T20:42:54 *** liberforce has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T20:42:57 amstan: i hope i can add the infamous two starting lines in 20 minutes 2011-12-23T20:43:04 since my ministate was a replica of the main state it had support for ants wrapping around which caused errors 2011-12-23T20:43:07 in evaluation 2011-12-23T20:43:23 since an ant at the edge would show up in attack radius 2011-12-23T20:43:30 i really hope protocolocon doesn't move though 2011-12-23T20:43:33 though technically on a full size map it isnt 2011-12-23T20:44:03 because i don't want 6 versions of this article 2011-12-23T20:44:21 nead to hava battle with xathis and win him. 2011-12-23T20:44:28 this is last chance 2011-12-23T20:44:39 *** QGazQ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-12-23T20:44:51 i'm in a game right now 2011-12-23T20:44:53 *** QGazQ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T20:45:07 xathis: if you move below second i'll kill you 2011-12-23T20:45:07 the gap is widening 2011-12-23T20:45:08 lol 2011-12-23T20:45:16 @rankings 2011-12-23T20:45:17 bhasker: Top 10 players: xathis(90.4), GreenTea(89.9), protocolocon(87.6), lazarant(86.7), runevision(86.6), teapotahedron(86.5), ChrisH(85.8), Memetix(85.6), pguillory(85.6), FlagCapper(85.5) 2011-12-23T20:45:19 yeah! 2011-12-23T20:45:44 amstan: haha 2011-12-23T20:45:46 *** Antimatroid has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T20:45:49 amstan: you mean you can't do some fancy autogeneration? :P 2011-12-23T20:46:01 Zannick: i wish writing was more procedural 2011-12-23T20:46:49 Anyone got any money riding on this? 2011-12-23T20:47:17 amstan: but it can be! 2011-12-23T20:47:21 *** Antimatroid has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T20:47:26 @timeleft 2011-12-23T20:47:26 12 minutes and 34 seconds till winner is announced! 2011-12-23T20:47:34 xathis, your tile objects sound increadibly similar to my implementation, I feel much cooler now 2011-12-23T20:47:34 damn, i want to slep 2011-12-23T20:47:37 Migi32 it's on for 30th 2011-12-23T20:47:50 anyone remember the name of the MIT challenge that happens around this time 2011-12-23T20:47:52 lol ScsiOverdrive 2011-12-23T20:47:55 the RTS bot one 2011-12-23T20:48:09 i think 1st place is save now, isnt it? 2011-12-23T20:48:14 @timeleft 2011-12-23T20:48:14 11 minutes and 46 seconds till winner is announced! 2011-12-23T20:48:16 nm battlecode 2011-12-23T20:48:23 Antimatroid: bring it :P 2011-12-23T20:48:24 we don't know for sure 2011-12-23T20:48:24 Speedy_Consoles: almost, but not for sure 2011-12-23T20:48:29 @timeleft 2011-12-23T20:48:29 11 minutes and 31 seconds till no more matchups. 2011-12-23T20:48:41 oh 2011-12-23T20:48:42 Antimatroid: although I actually don't want #30 I'd much rather have 32 :P 2011-12-23T20:48:51 *** Scryer has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T20:49:01 Next game should be within 33 minutes. 2011-12-23T20:49:11 :| 2011-12-23T20:49:20 Next challenge should be within 33 minutes. 2011-12-23T20:49:20 a1k0n: well.. that's it for you, lol 2011-12-23T20:49:32 10 minutes is within 33! 2011-12-23T20:49:32 *** dr0b3rts has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T20:49:34 I'm in a game 2011-12-23T20:49:35 i'm playing a game... might be my last 2011-12-23T20:49:39 come on not a 1v1 with the top 10 again 2011-12-23T20:49:45 man what happened to _flag 2011-12-23T20:49:48 ...such as xathis 2011-12-23T20:49:53 lol xathis's combat method sounds almost identical to how i did combat... so why is my bot 420th? :D 2011-12-23T20:49:59 I'm not in one 2011-12-23T20:50:03 eval function:) 2011-12-23T20:50:04 I want a game aha 2011-12-23T20:50:09 onion42 check your eval 2011-12-23T20:50:22 my whole place is going to come down to this last game :-/ 2011-12-23T20:50:24 heh yes, it comes down to food collection efficiency also 2011-12-23T20:50:25 A1k0n dunno what happened to flag, bit sucky 2011-12-23T20:50:27 yeah i know bhaskar :) my heuristic was rubbish 2011-12-23T20:50:35 onion42 devil in details 2011-12-23T20:50:46 *** smjms has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T20:50:59 I got a game 2011-12-23T20:51:10 flag could easily end in 7th or 8th with this last game 2011-12-23T20:51:15 nooooo... ifdef cicked me from the top 100... and now i have no time to return... 2011-12-23T20:51:55 wow, my game was with xathis and greentea, I got 3rd of 3 of course 2011-12-23T20:51:56 Strcat jumped in front 2011-12-23T20:52:01 I need to go up here 2011-12-23T20:52:01 xathis won 2011-12-23T20:52:07 Momobot is below me too 2011-12-23T20:52:10 Oh god 2011-12-23T20:52:18 that was the perfect ending in my opinion 2011-12-23T20:52:24 but the good news is losing to them doesn't hurt me any 2011-12-23T20:52:29 Congrats xathis 2011-12-23T20:52:36 going to take part in battlecode this time if i can 2011-12-23T20:52:38 @timeleft 2011-12-23T20:52:38 7 minutes and 22 seconds till no more matchups. 2011-12-23T20:52:48 @rankings 2011-12-23T20:52:49 sashaSochka: Top 10 players: xathis(90.5), GreenTea(89.8), protocolocon(87.5), runevision(86.6), lazarant(86.6), teapotahedron(86.6), ChrisH(85.8), fourmidable(85.7), FlagCapper(85.6), Memetix(85.5) 2011-12-23T20:52:49 heh. to many food and that map 2011-12-23T20:52:51 thanks Antimatroid, for believing in my bot all the time ;) 2011-12-23T20:52:53 xathis, GreenTea: do you guys have any soon games? 2011-12-23T20:52:58 yay 2011-12-23T20:53:07 9 minutes for me 2011-12-23T20:53:10 *** tasadar has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T20:53:20 xathis: that's probably going to be run then 2011-12-23T20:53:29 protocolocon and runevision really shot up in the rankings in the finals 2011-12-23T20:53:39 *** Odyssey has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T20:53:40 Crap I lost 2011-12-23T20:53:44 Give me one more aha 2011-12-23T20:53:55 congratulaition. xathis :) need to admit yuu is better 2011-12-23T20:54:11 gg! 2011-12-23T20:54:22 aaaw thanks :) 2011-12-23T20:54:26 * Murashka still bets on xathis :)) 2011-12-23T20:54:28 good chance there will be one final game for each of the top 2 still 2011-12-23T20:54:30 i don't think it's over yet 2011-12-23T20:54:32 that one game.. 2011-12-23T20:54:33 yeah 2011-12-23T20:54:46 very interesting finals, it's awesome to spectate 2011-12-23T20:54:56 Momo better not go up at all aha 2011-12-23T20:54:57 *** Cowbandit has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T20:54:59 i have 84 players and 8 mins till my last game still 2011-12-23T20:55:00 its all over now 2011-12-23T20:55:07 xathis has a big lead :) 2011-12-23T20:55:09 xathis congratulations it was masterfully. 2011-12-23T20:55:12 xathis: It is a great bot you have written, nice job! 2011-12-23T20:55:31 yes i think the extrsa pruning is key 2011-12-23T20:55:34 Greentea: Great job as well. 2011-12-23T20:55:44 xathis: I read your writeup and it's amazing given how much we've all microanalyzed the game that your bot is basically simple 2011-12-23T20:55:49 good job guys 2011-12-23T20:56:09 heh yeah, i'm not too surprised by that 2011-12-23T20:56:10 my last (?) game is now going long 2011-12-23T20:56:12 let's hope that's good 2011-12-23T20:56:22 thank you! the previous months have been awesome 2011-12-23T20:56:28 Greentea yep you was good too. And it was nice show :) 2011-12-23T20:56:31 *** Corgano has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T20:56:50 FlagCapper got into top 10 just now. 2011-12-23T20:56:51 you're in a game now, xathis! 2011-12-23T20:56:56 @timeleft 2011-12-23T20:56:56 3 minutes and 4 seconds till no more matchups. 2011-12-23T20:57:08 janzert: ready? 2011-12-23T20:57:09 my timer sais 2 minutes.... 2011-12-23T20:57:14 yep :) 2011-12-23T20:57:16 amstan: he said he was goign to avoid irc 2011-12-23T20:57:17 oop 2011-12-23T20:57:18 Zannick: how did you know? 2011-12-23T20:57:20 janzert: you SAID etc 2011-12-23T20:57:21 janzert: ok, cya then 2011-12-23T20:57:30 xathis: refreshed your page before you did ;) 2011-12-23T20:57:49 *** janzert has left #aichallenge 2011-12-23T20:57:53 Zannick: oh okay :D 2011-12-23T20:57:56 oh me too 2011-12-23T20:57:57 *** McLeopold has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T20:58:04 i hope i beat xathis haha 2011-12-23T20:58:12 McLeopold: so.. where's that greentea info eh? lol 2011-12-23T20:58:17 nope, komaki 2011-12-23T20:58:24 amstan: in my chat cache 2011-12-23T20:58:24 oh damn, my "last" game is a 5-way tie for 1st with meduza, teapot, memetix and murashka 2011-12-23T20:58:32 I don't think I'm getting another game 2011-12-23T20:58:33 McLeopold: that's fine, i have his info again 2011-12-23T20:58:35 I could have liked that matchup but I guess the map wasn't up to it 2011-12-23T20:58:46 Antimatroid: seems like we both won't be in the top 30 lol :) 2011-12-23T20:58:49 McLeopold: we're killing matchups at 9 and then letting it play till there's no more 2011-12-23T20:58:51 Yeah 2011-12-23T20:58:52 @timeleft 2011-12-23T20:58:52 1 minute and 8 seconds till no more matchups. 2011-12-23T20:58:58 ok 2011-12-23T20:59:10 I've been "Playing in a game right now." for about 10 minutes now so I don't think it'll finish in time 2011-12-23T20:59:10 i have a game right now 2011-12-23T20:59:11 *** ttj_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T20:59:11 McLeopold: what happens to the timer when time is up? 2011-12-23T20:59:13 is GreenTea going to overtake again? 2011-12-23T20:59:18 McLeopold: maybe 2011-12-23T20:59:21 hope i will win it and get top 100 2011-12-23T20:59:21 amstan: sits at 0 2011-12-23T20:59:22 we need falling ball 2011-12-23T20:59:30 30 seconds! 2011-12-23T20:59:31 McLeopold: xathis has a game soon 2011-12-23T20:59:34 sources and post mortem in russian in my profile 2011-12-23T20:59:36 20 seconds! 2011-12-23T20:59:40 @timeleft 2011-12-23T20:59:40 20 seconds till no more matchups. 2011-12-23T20:59:42 *** FalloutBoy has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T20:59:43 and champagne 2011-12-23T20:59:49 amstan: i'm in the game already 2011-12-23T20:59:52 T-10 2011-12-23T20:59:53 it's over! :D 2011-12-23T20:59:53 xathis: cool 2011-12-23T20:59:56 In Game: Playing in a game right now. 2011-12-23T20:59:58 @rankings 2011-12-23T20:59:59 I think GreenTea would have to get a lot of points in the last game because mostly winners get between .1 and .25 mu ATM 2011-12-23T21:00:00 amstan: Top 10 players: xathis(90.5), GreenTea(89.9), protocolocon(87.3), runevision(86.8), teapotahedron(86.6), lazarant(86.5), ChrisH(85.8), fourmidable(85.8), FlagCapper(85.7), Memetix(85.5) 2011-12-23T21:00:01 this is better than new years :P 2011-12-23T21:00:01 woooooo! 2011-12-23T21:00:05 @timeleft 2011-12-23T21:00:05 23 hours, 59 minutes, and 55 seconds till no more matchups. 2011-12-23T21:00:11 really? lol 2011-12-23T21:00:12 hahahahaha 2011-12-23T21:00:14 *** janzert has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T21:00:15 what no fierwork javascript? 2011-12-23T21:00:15 hahaha 2011-12-23T21:00:18 aaand over 2011-12-23T21:00:19 lol 2011-12-23T21:00:19 @alias rm timeleft 2011-12-23T21:00:19 amstan: Error: No factoid matches that key. 2011-12-23T21:00:19 @timeleft 2011-12-23T21:00:20 23 hours, 59 minutes, and 41 seconds till no more matchups. 2011-12-23T21:00:21 hah 2011-12-23T21:00:24 I'm in a game 2011-12-23T21:00:27 Does that play? 2011-12-23T21:00:28 @alias remove timeleft 2011-12-23T21:00:28 amstan: I think that worked... 2011-12-23T21:00:29 I've got "next game in 22 minutes" so it might happen 2011-12-23T21:00:33 Antimatroid: yes 2011-12-23T21:00:40 I don't want it to aha 2011-12-23T21:00:42 haha 2011-12-23T21:00:43 *** janzert has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-12-23T21:00:45 I'm happy where things are 2011-12-23T21:00:45 k, guys, now we wait until all games finish 2011-12-23T21:00:45 wait it's not really over yet. I'm still "Playing in a game right now." 2011-12-23T21:00:47 Hehe 2011-12-23T21:00:48 GreenTea takes the lead! 2011-12-23T21:00:54 @rankings 2011-12-23T21:00:55 joking :P 2011-12-23T21:00:55 amstan: Top 10 players: xathis(90.5), GreenTea(89.9), protocolocon(87.3), runevision(86.8), teapotahedron(86.6), lazarant(86.5), ChrisH(85.8), fourmidable(85.8), FlagCapper(85.7), Memetix(85.5) 2011-12-23T21:00:59 onion42: dude.. 2011-12-23T21:01:03 damn, i just got "downgraded" from rank 100 to 99, lol 2011-12-23T21:01:03 *** janzert has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T21:01:05 onion42: you scared me again 2011-12-23T21:01:06 troll 2011-12-23T21:01:07 Oh, ChrisH got to 7 2011-12-23T21:01:07 @timeleft 2011-12-23T21:01:08 Speedy_Consoles: You have no gotten any error messages recently, so here's a random one just to let you know that we care. 2011-12-23T21:01:10 whoa, 11th place at the last second!? 2011-12-23T21:01:11 <_flag> Hey everyone 2011-12-23T21:01:11 :( 2011-12-23T21:01:16 janzert's back 2011-12-23T21:01:24 janzert: what's up? how many more games? 2011-12-23T21:01:24 holy crap i swapped with pguillory 2011-12-23T21:01:25 yeah, one higher than I expected 2011-12-23T21:01:55 *** WildUtah has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T21:01:59 stupid irc client wouldn't let me back in :P 2011-12-23T21:02:04 Actually I'm basically tied with fourmidable 2011-12-23T21:02:05 pairing is stopped at 9pm 2011-12-23T21:02:09 i'm still playing in a game, but i guess it wont count :) 2011-12-23T21:02:12 mine is in a game 2011-12-23T21:02:17 Will the final games get on the board? 2011-12-23T21:02:17 janzert: post the query with the remainign pairings :) 2011-12-23T21:02:18 games still resolving? 2011-12-23T21:02:18 final games are playing out now 2011-12-23T21:02:23 68 games left 2011-12-23T21:02:24 thx for fun and congratulations to xathis 2011-12-23T21:02:30 I have a new game right now 2011-12-23T21:02:39 but I'm sure I wasn't in one when the deadline hit 2011-12-23T21:02:41 Momo dropped for me 2011-12-23T21:02:45 My bot is a few spots out of the top 2%, but I will not make it. 2011-12-23T21:02:46 0.03 between memetix and pguillory 2011-12-23T21:02:49 @timeleft 2011-12-23T21:02:49 Nooooo, i lost :( 2011-12-23T21:02:49 Fluxid: User error -- Replace user. 2011-12-23T21:02:50 Frib: you were already paired though 2011-12-23T21:02:53 oh wait 2011-12-23T21:02:55 oh 2011-12-23T21:03:05 @rankings 2011-12-23T21:03:06 amstan: Top 10 players: xathis(90.5), GreenTea(90.0), protocolocon(87.3), runevision(86.8), teapotahedron(86.6), lazarant(86.5), ChrisH(85.8), fourmidable(85.8), FlagCapper(85.7), Memetix(85.5) 2011-12-23T21:03:08 congrat xathis and thx for article 2011-12-23T21:03:18 that last game cost me 12 places :( 2011-12-23T21:03:18 greentea got up a little 2011-12-23T21:03:18 xathis: congratulations! 2011-12-23T21:03:25 onion42: wow, fail 2011-12-23T21:03:33 thank you all 2011-12-23T21:03:37 my game is still going 2011-12-23T21:03:39 53 games left 2011-12-23T21:03:42 GreenTea: you too 2011-12-23T21:03:43 Hmm ijust got a game I think 2011-12-23T21:03:45 ;) 2011-12-23T21:03:51 Oh a few left 2011-12-23T21:03:55 I had 2 games, 1 was a 3 way tie 2011-12-23T21:03:58 50 2011-12-23T21:04:00 nice job guys 2011-12-23T21:04:03 McLeopold: we need server stats to show how many matchups are in 2011-12-23T21:04:05 i think xathis is playing the 9 lowest rated bots, and is losing... 2011-12-23T21:04:06 *** dfgdf3 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T21:04:06 a few haven't started yet 2011-12-23T21:04:17 and baaam -0.6 for xathis XD 2011-12-23T21:04:19 onion42: probably 2011-12-23T21:04:21 amstan: I can't code that before it's over :) 2011-12-23T21:04:22 @rankings 2011-12-23T21:04:23 amstan: Top 10 players: xathis(90.5), GreenTea(90.0), protocolocon(87.3), runevision(86.8), teapotahedron(86.6), lazarant(86.5), ChrisH(85.8), fourmidable(85.8), FlagCapper(85.7), Memetix(85.5) 2011-12-23T21:04:25 hmm.. I saw game played at 17808, then 17803, then 17798.. 17802, now its back to 17795 2011-12-23T21:04:29 McLeopold: suggestion for next one 2011-12-23T21:04:34 *** Vaenom has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T21:04:36 i won! 2011-12-23T21:04:40 awww 2011-12-23T21:04:41 42 games... 2011-12-23T21:04:47 @rankings 2011-12-23T21:04:47 40 2011-12-23T21:04:48 amstan: Top 10 players: xathis(90.5), GreenTea(90.0), protocolocon(87.3), runevision(86.8), teapotahedron(86.6), lazarant(86.5), ChrisH(85.8), fourmidable(85.8), FlagCapper(85.7), Memetix(85.5) 2011-12-23T21:04:49 still 42 games? 2011-12-23T21:04:55 haha! Congrat Xathis 2011-12-23T21:05:01 so thats it 2011-12-23T21:05:03 xathis, grats! 2011-12-23T21:05:03 I'm still in one of the 42 games :) 2011-12-23T21:05:03 7,8,9 could still shuffle depending on who's in these last few games and what happens 2011-12-23T21:05:13 Thanks amstan and everyone else! :) 2011-12-23T21:05:17 @rankings 2011-12-23T21:05:18 amstan: Top 10 players: xathis(90.7), GreenTea(90.0), protocolocon(87.4), runevision(86.8), teapotahedron(86.5), lazarant(86.5), ChrisH(85.8), FlagCapper(85.7), fourmidable(85.6), Memetix(85.5) 2011-12-23T21:05:22 lol 2011-12-23T21:05:24 janzert: I hope you left a free worker 2011-12-23T21:05:24 xathis went up a little 2011-12-23T21:05:25 7,8,9 just did shuffle 2011-12-23T21:05:26 +0.2 2011-12-23T21:05:28 xathis congrats 2011-12-23T21:05:29 5 & 6 are close too 2011-12-23T21:05:30 *** cheeser_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T21:05:32 haha ChrisH_ and fourmidable are tied 2011-12-23T21:05:39 McLeopold: they are all still up 2011-12-23T21:05:49 at least protocolocon is still 3rd 2011-12-23T21:05:49 oh not anytmore 2011-12-23T21:05:56 i really don't have anything ready with him not being 3rd 2011-12-23T21:05:57 janzert: matchup 297766 seems to be stuck 2011-12-23T21:05:59 a1k0n: up to .005 anyway 2011-12-23T21:06:06 McLeopold: not now! no 2011-12-23T21:06:08 i think trueskill isn't as stable as we might like 2011-12-23T21:06:15 17786 games played now... what's going on? 2011-12-23T21:06:15 thanks for this awesome contest, great job, it was loads of fun 2011-12-23T21:06:19 oh. on timer 000 2011-12-23T21:06:20 Migi32 I'm in a game yet 2011-12-23T21:06:20 we need a whole history trueskill 2011-12-23T21:06:23 a1k0n: its purpose isn't to rank people like this 2011-12-23T21:06:25 games are played? 2011-12-23T21:06:30 yeah 2011-12-23T21:06:33 a1k0n: I think the ants game isn't as stable and there are a lot of very closely matched bots 2011-12-23T21:06:39 Antimatroid: really? Maybe we're playing each other 2011-12-23T21:06:39 GreenTea: until all games finish 2011-12-23T21:06:39 27 games... 2011-12-23T21:06:43 Congrats everyone! Thank you again organizers! 2011-12-23T21:06:48 i'm playing 2011-12-23T21:06:49 That would be nice 2011-12-23T21:06:51 @rankings 2011-12-23T21:06:52 i want to put something like that together to get familiar with graphical models 2011-12-23T21:06:53 amstan: Top 10 players: xathis(90.7), GreenTea(90.0), protocolocon(87.4), runevision(86.8), teapotahedron(86.5), lazarant(86.5), ChrisH(85.8), FlagCapper(85.7), fourmidable(85.6), Memetix(85.5) 2011-12-23T21:06:57 that matchup is from before the finals, so it's ok 2011-12-23T21:06:57 Antimatroid: for the 31st place. There's like 0.01 skill between us :) 2011-12-23T21:06:59 whole history is better I agree 2011-12-23T21:06:59 McLeopold: it's just a pairing that never completed when, I killed the script at some point 2011-12-23T21:07:05 Yep 2011-12-23T21:07:06 McLeopold: don't scare us 2011-12-23T21:07:08 I read the ranking method disadvantages bots with highly variable perfor,mance 2011-12-23T21:07:10 oh, it's last 24 hrs... doh 2011-12-23T21:07:38 like it's set to mu - 3*sigma or something 2011-12-23T21:07:50 WildUtah: this is true 2011-12-23T21:07:51 a1k0n miss top 10 by 1 ! 2011-12-23T21:07:56 sigmas have converged with a few hundredths though 2011-12-23T21:08:03 baleted! 2011-12-23T21:08:10 17 games... 2011-12-23T21:08:14 15 2011-12-23T21:08:17 WildUtah: yeah, though i expect basically everyone has sigma=1.3-1.4 2011-12-23T21:08:19 Should it say 'playing in a game right now'? It didn't say that at cutoff. 2011-12-23T21:08:23 Congrats everyone. These last few hours have been crazy 2011-12-23T21:08:25 woah I just went down a place :( 2011-12-23T21:08:28 Do I have a high sigma compared to others? 2011-12-23T21:08:31 xathis: do you intend to post on the forum (or on your blog, if you have one) to let us know how you did it/ 2011-12-23T21:08:31 janzert: you always have to get the last word on game count :P 2011-12-23T21:08:31 I can't see them 2011-12-23T21:08:35 I am still in a game 2011-12-23T21:08:38 *? 2011-12-23T21:08:45 meduza got a big final win 2011-12-23T21:08:47 Probably with franp 2011-12-23T21:08:53 jumped clear to 14th 2011-12-23T21:08:54 Antimatroid: ah, my game finished 2011-12-23T21:08:59 *** creation has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat) 2011-12-23T21:09:01 Vaenom: http://xathis.com/posts/ai-challenge-2011-ants.html 2011-12-23T21:09:02 Vaenom: xathis posted the link earlier http://xathis.com/posts/ai-challenge-2011-ants.html 2011-12-23T21:09:08 I lost, but gained 0.01 skill. Weird 2011-12-23T21:09:10 no, I'm in mid 200's. Doomed if it's against meduza 2011-12-23T21:09:22 12 games... 2011-12-23T21:09:24 Migi32: sigma dropped 2011-12-23T21:09:28 So I need to win 2011-12-23T21:09:29 oh, thanks 2011-12-23T21:09:39 *** simon__ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T21:09:47 @rankings 2011-12-23T21:09:48 amstan: Top 10 players: xathis(90.7), GreenTea(90.0), protocolocon(87.4), runevision(87.0), teapotahedron(86.5), lazarant(86.5), ChrisH(85.8), FlagCapper(85.7), fourmidable(85.6), Memetix(85.5) 2011-12-23T21:09:49 fourmidable lost and left me alone in 7th. 2011-12-23T21:09:51 oh, I may be in with you tomb__, what's your rank? 2011-12-23T21:10:03 Long game from me 2011-12-23T21:10:04 317ish 2011-12-23T21:10:05 *** ttj_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T21:10:06 down to final 10 2011-12-23T21:10:07 7-10 are really close though 2011-12-23T21:10:10 ChrisH_: it says mu -0.00 sigma -0.00 skill +0.01. Rounding issues :) 2011-12-23T21:10:11 Antsinyourpants 2011-12-23T21:10:15 a1k0n: i guess you don't mind if i insert the famous two starting sentences by you at the beginning of my post? ;) 2011-12-23T21:10:16 <_flag> If anyone is interested in my post-mortem you can find it here: http://flagcapper.com/?c2 2011-12-23T21:10:18 Updated my "top 10 churn" gist: https://gist.github.com/1512777 2011-12-23T21:10:23 xathis: hahah 2011-12-23T21:10:28 <_flag> I'm not sure if that will get lost among the sea of comments or not 2011-12-23T21:10:29 could be Antsinyourpants. Lots of games against that bot today. 2011-12-23T21:10:38 Migi32: yep, so sigma dropped by about .004 and gave you a little skill bump 2011-12-23T21:10:42 9 2011-12-23T21:10:43 I'm checking this on my phone 2011-12-23T21:10:51 xathis: i think it might sound insincere after a long-term domination but you're welcome to :) 2011-12-23T21:10:55 http://tcpants.com/ lets play 2011-12-23T21:10:55 8 2011-12-23T21:11:01 7 2011-12-23T21:11:04 hahaha, Accoun 2011-12-23T21:11:06 6 2011-12-23T21:11:12 _flag: cool, i'll read it later and put a link to it in my post mortem 2011-12-23T21:11:14 It is rough. I recognize you fran from all the matches today. 2011-12-23T21:11:17 Accoun: xathis won, IT'S OVER 2011-12-23T21:11:19 *** Jacob_Strauss has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T21:11:22 Migi32 I lost 2011-12-23T21:11:23 i'm playing... 2011-12-23T21:11:25 <_flag> xathis: Thanks a ton :) 2011-12-23T21:11:30 Congrats on 31st :) 2011-12-23T21:11:47 4 2011-12-23T21:11:56 _flag: thatnks for the article, I'll definitely read it. 2011-12-23T21:12:01 i'm still 2011-12-23T21:12:01 *** fju has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T21:12:08 Antimatroid: thanks. Well, the loss didn't affect your rating anyway, so congrats on your 32 place too :) 2011-12-23T21:12:08 _flag: regardless of your performance in the finals i'll always remember you as my strongest opponent ;) 2011-12-23T21:12:13 Fuckilostthatone. It wasn't with you franp. 2011-12-23T21:12:13 I will also be adding more details to my forum post after Christmas. 2011-12-23T21:12:15 *** staalebk has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2011-12-23T21:12:18 ok who is posting it to reddit? 2011-12-23T21:12:28 *** bucash has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T21:12:28 amstan: 2011-12-23T21:12:31 <_flag> xathis: Haha, thanks, I'm a bit dissapointed with things myself but I'll be sure to remember that :) 2011-12-23T21:12:36 McLeopold: yo? 2011-12-23T21:12:40 @rankings 2011-12-23T21:12:41 amstan: Top 10 players: xathis(90.7), GreenTea(90.0), protocolocon(87.4), runevision(87.0), teapotahedron(86.5), lazarant(86.5), ChrisH(85.8), FlagCapper(85.7), fourmidable(85.6), Memetix(85.5) 2011-12-23T21:12:43 is posting to reddit 2011-12-23T21:12:52 i think amstan is our reddit pr person 2011-12-23T21:13:07 aka karma whore? 2011-12-23T21:13:08 it's a little early, but go upvote it: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/nonqf/ai_challenge_2011_ants_winner_announced/ 2011-12-23T21:13:10 a1k0n: yes 2011-12-23T21:13:20 McLeopold: how many left? 2011-12-23T21:13:23 ok, you guys in the last 4 games are really hanging things up here :P 2011-12-23T21:13:24 4 2011-12-23T21:13:26 oh man 2011-12-23T21:13:30 i'm still 2011-12-23T21:13:37 still playing 2011-12-23T21:13:39 better announce it then 2011-12-23T21:13:39 35 of you 2011-12-23T21:13:40 maybe my F5 finger is slowing things down 2011-12-23T21:13:41 sashaSochka: tell your bot to hurry! 2011-12-23T21:13:49 grc48: you too 2011-12-23T21:13:50 lol 2011-12-23T21:13:52 if I lose i'm out of 100 2011-12-23T21:14:25 I really want to read all the postmortems, but on the other hand, I want to just d/l their source and develop my bot using them as benchmarks 2011-12-23T21:14:25 *** Odyssey has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T21:14:25 it's trying its best not to lose, taking its time to make the best possible moves it can 2011-12-23T21:14:55 grats, all! and huge thanks to the organizers! janzert McLeopold amstan you guys rock! srsly 2011-12-23T21:15:02 Extrarius: or just putting the best parts of the best bots together :) 2011-12-23T21:15:27 someone should put together a meta-bot which takes votes 2011-12-23T21:15:28 *** horatius has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T21:15:32 i'd like to see this voting idea in action 2011-12-23T21:15:35 _flag don't be too disappointed, you still did really well 2011-12-23T21:15:39 a1k0n: right 2011-12-23T21:15:42 a1k0n: there's been some ideas on the forums on that 2011-12-23T21:15:47 3 2011-12-23T21:15:50 26 players 2011-12-23T21:15:51 *** cheeser_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T21:15:53 *** rebelxt has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T21:15:54 is there a collection of good post-mortems, on reddit or somewhere? 2011-12-23T21:15:54 WOOHOO! YES, 540th place! 2011-12-23T21:15:55 a1k0n: you mean like runs all the bots and picks the moves that get output the most? 2011-12-23T21:15:57 *** gustavokambara has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T21:15:59 janzert: any of them xathis or greentea? 2011-12-23T21:16:02 flag_: wheres your writeup? 2011-12-23T21:16:04 noooooo 2011-12-23T21:16:07 Extrarius: yeah 2011-12-23T21:16:12 sashaSochka: aww 2011-12-23T21:16:13 <_flag> Antimatroid: I am aware of that. I'm not terribly disappointed, but I aim high :) 2011-12-23T21:16:16 <_flag> Thanks though 2011-12-23T21:16:18 *** grokodile has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T21:16:18 don't have that query handy ;) 2011-12-23T21:16:22 <_flag> a1k0n: http://flagcapper.com/?c2 2011-12-23T21:16:25 Thank you all for good time! 2011-12-23T21:16:26 a1k0n: You could even weight them by their mu in the final rankings 2011-12-23T21:16:31 _flag: did you link it from your profile? 2011-12-23T21:16:32 My game is done 2011-12-23T21:16:34 haha, this 9 player game 2011-12-23T21:16:36 still going 2011-12-23T21:16:37 2, 17 players 2011-12-23T21:16:39 <_flag> There's a distinct lack of code in the actual writeup, so for that you might want to browse the source 2011-12-23T21:16:47 I do the same, aim too high then still do well when you 'fail' 2011-12-23T21:16:50 4th of 9. No antsinyourpants though. 2011-12-23T21:17:06 _flag: i suggest more links to your entry and such 2011-12-23T21:17:12 1 with 9 players 2011-12-23T21:17:14 _flag: use ants.aichallenge.org for permalinking 2011-12-23T21:17:19 @rankings 2011-12-23T21:17:21 amstan: Top 10 players: xathis(90.7), GreenTea(90.0), protocolocon(87.4), runevision(87.0), teapotahedron(86.5), lazarant(86.5), ChrisH(85.8), FlagCapper(85.7), fourmidable(85.6), Memetix(85.5) 2011-12-23T21:17:24 <_flag> amstan: Good point, I'll add that 2011-12-23T21:17:26 woo, I placed 6549 ! 2011-12-23T21:17:33 Yay, we're finished. 2011-12-23T21:17:39 thank you ! 2011-12-23T21:17:41 @rankings 2011-12-23T21:17:42 McLeopold: Top 10 players: xathis(90.7), GreenTea(90.0), protocolocon(87.4), runevision(87.0), teapotahedron(86.5), lazarant(86.5), ChrisH(85.8), FlagCapper(85.7), fourmidable(85.6), Memetix(85.5) 2011-12-23T21:17:48 * avdg thinks he was pushed back a little bit 2011-12-23T21:17:50 Congratulation everyone and thanks for participating 2011-12-23T21:17:52 I ranked 1st in my Organization category :) 2011-12-23T21:17:54 https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/wiki/Ants 2011-12-23T21:17:59 * Fluxid 76th 2011-12-23T21:18:03 yay ended in 230 2011-12-23T21:18:08 thanks for all the hard work again, janzert :) 2011-12-23T21:18:09 janzert: amstan McLeopold THANK YOU! 2011-12-23T21:18:10 Elderwolf: me too! An army of one and all that 2011-12-23T21:18:10 * avdg 1705th 2011-12-23T21:18:12 first in my country 2011-12-23T21:18:27 first in google, fwiw. 2011-12-23T21:18:28 * Fluxid third in Poland, 5th in Python in general and 1st in Python3 2011-12-23T21:18:33 http://tcpants.com/ lets play 2011-12-23T21:18:38 2nd in my university :) 2011-12-23T21:18:41 *** Antimatroid_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T21:18:41 Thank you organizers! I'll be looking to improve on my 259th place finish next year. 2011-12-23T21:18:42 1st is xathis -.- 2011-12-23T21:18:45 Speedy_Consoles: ;) 2011-12-23T21:18:50 joakim managed to stay ahead of 300, haha 2011-12-23T21:18:54 Accoun: counds good =-) 2011-12-23T21:19:01 noo! 2011-12-23T21:19:02 welcome everyone, be sure to come back for the next one or even better help create it 2011-12-23T21:19:03 markdown error 2011-12-23T21:19:07 Yes, especially thank you to janzert and mcleopold 2011-12-23T21:19:14 bomberman! 2011-12-23T21:19:16 :) 2011-12-23T21:19:37 yp janzert and McLeopold many many thanks to you for all the great work behind the scenes 2011-12-23T21:19:41 *** gorpgorp has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T21:19:42 Not bomberman ;p 2011-12-23T21:19:42 1st in Iowa! (I think) Woo! 2011-12-23T21:19:43 And amstan! 2011-12-23T21:19:52 capture the flag! 2011-12-23T21:19:52 bomberman! :) 2011-12-23T21:19:54 accoun my bot vs urs! 2011-12-23T21:19:56 *** onion42 has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T21:19:57 and amstan of course 2011-12-23T21:19:57 thanks organizers :) 2011-12-23T21:20:07 Yeah, it was great 2011-12-23T21:20:11 lets see how it goes:p 2011-12-23T21:20:18 *** bucash has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T21:20:19 *** grc48 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-12-23T21:20:21 i just hope i don't time out! 2011-12-23T21:20:23 http://tcpants.com/ lets play 2011-12-23T21:20:27 * Elderwolf notices a1k0n was at yahoo last game, and google this game 2011-12-23T21:20:47 a1k0n defected to the evil side 2011-12-23T21:20:51 Oo 2011-12-23T21:21:00 amstan: Thanks for your efforts. Let me know how I can help 2011-12-23T21:21:00 Thanks to everyone! GG! Now have to sleep it's 04:20 am in our timezone. 2011-12-23T21:21:13 *** Antimatroid has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T21:21:16 *** raja has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T21:21:22 4:20 indeed 2011-12-23T21:21:26 *** Antimony has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T21:21:39 good night and merry christmas to you all 2011-12-23T21:21:41 Ho Ho Ho! 2011-12-23T21:21:48 Happy Festivus 2011-12-23T21:21:59 well 26th was better than I expected 2011-12-23T21:21:59 6:21... 2011-12-23T21:22:06 good night 2011-12-23T21:22:07 *** ScsiOverdrive has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T21:22:15 merry christmas of course 2011-12-23T21:22:17 hope to meet you again next season 2011-12-23T21:22:29 I'm amazed at all the C++ entries. How can they stand the lack of C++11 features? 2011-12-23T21:22:30 *** Speedy_Consoles has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T21:22:34 map set be changed in final? 2011-12-23T21:22:43 *** sashaSochka has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T21:22:47 janzert, McLeopold amstan thanks for a great contest. 2011-12-23T21:22:52 *** erdman has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T21:22:58 h 2011-12-23T21:23:00 map set be changed in final? or not? 2011-12-23T21:23:03 *** fju has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T21:23:15 Antimony: probably they haven't heard of 11. Or thought that it's not yet stable enough. Or something like that. 2011-12-23T21:23:19 Account yes new maps were generated for the finals 2011-12-23T21:23:20 Never had the chance to play with this many ec2 instances before :) 2011-12-23T21:23:35 *** ttj_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T21:23:35 You weren't even in it, why do you care? 2011-12-23T21:23:44 gg 2011-12-23T21:23:51 #376, better than expected 2011-12-23T21:23:51 Janzert :) 2011-12-23T21:24:08 *** tomb__ has quit IRC (Quit: Bye) 2011-12-23T21:24:11 janzert: Thanks for your efforts. Let me know how I can help for the next one =-) 2011-12-23T21:24:20 is BenJackson here? 2011-12-23T21:24:24 171 games 2011-12-23T21:24:25 #364 for me 2011-12-23T21:24:28 my contribution to the contest was GreedyBot.py :p 2011-12-23T21:24:35 though i doubt anyone used it 2011-12-23T21:24:36 lol 2011-12-23T21:24:37 333 minimun need 2011-12-23T21:24:45 thanks for this challenge! Congratulations, xathis, it was cool show ^^ 2011-12-23T21:25:30 you have to congratulate GreenTea, without him the last hours would not be nearly as thrilling 2011-12-23T21:25:37 :D 2011-12-23T21:25:48 *** ChrisH_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T21:25:59 Yeah, he gave a good fight 2011-12-23T21:26:03 hey everyone, can you help find the coolest game including the top 3? 2011-12-23T21:26:22 McLeopold: you're the one with the mysql terminal open 2011-12-23T21:26:25 McLeopold: get typing 2011-12-23T21:26:31 I jumped from 25 to 20 in the last minute! Yeee)) 2011-12-23T21:26:36 yeah, but they need to be viewed 2011-12-23T21:26:41 for coolness 2011-12-23T21:26:48 McLeopold: pastebin a list, post it on the forums 2011-12-23T21:26:55 and here 2011-12-23T21:27:01 janzert says I can touch the database right now 2011-12-23T21:27:19 *** WildUtah has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T21:28:17 *** pairofdice has quit IRC (Quit: When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl.) 2011-12-23T21:28:23 *** Murashka has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T21:28:42 *** moxian has left #aichallenge ("Quit") 2011-12-23T21:28:47 so quiet now 2011-12-23T21:28:55 everyone left the party 2011-12-23T21:28:56 *** flowenol has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-12-23T21:28:57 lol 2011-12-23T21:29:12 *** bhasker has left #aichallenge ("rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.1") 2011-12-23T21:29:28 http://tcpants.com/ lets play 2011-12-23T21:29:35 hehe 2011-12-23T21:29:35 *** Cowbandit has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T21:29:39 *** ttj_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T21:29:45 Right I'm off to socialize with the family 2011-12-23T21:29:58 Congratulations again everyone 2011-12-23T21:30:06 I'll be back later 2011-12-23T21:30:06 Think they'll remember you? 2011-12-23T21:30:19 Accoun: 216, not bad: http://aichallenge.org/profile.php?user=14018 2011-12-23T21:30:36 amstan> it not my 2011-12-23T21:30:45 Accoun: you sure? 2011-12-23T21:30:57 http://tcpants.com/search?name=Accoun here is my 2011-12-23T21:31:10 Accoun: you sure? 2011-12-23T21:31:13 yes 2011-12-23T21:31:57 *** Corgano has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T21:32:02 amstan> u spy skeel not so good 2011-12-23T21:32:21 Accoun: your email's the same from tron.. 2011-12-23T21:32:42 http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=340979&user=4513 2011-12-23T21:32:46 amstan> it publick email 2011-12-23T21:33:21 http://tcpants.com/search?name=Accoun here is my 2011-12-23T21:33:51 Accoun: why didn't you submit it then? 2011-12-23T21:34:26 maybe he really did but bluffs ;) 2011-12-23T21:34:33 *** cheeser_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T21:34:42 dont love canada and amstan perconaly 2011-12-23T21:34:48 http://tcpants.com/search?name=Accoun here is my 2011-12-23T21:34:50 Fluxid: yeah, i really think this is his accoun': http://aichallenge.org/profile.php?user=14018 2011-12-23T21:35:15 amstan> it no my 2011-12-23T21:35:18 http://tcpants.com/search?name=Accoun here is my 2011-12-23T21:35:31 World_War_3 has been whooping me all day 2011-12-23T21:35:43 'night all 2011-12-23T21:35:47 *** FranPeruzzi has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T21:36:10 *** jack_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T21:36:58 333 games need as min to stbilise ranking 2011-12-23T21:37:18 especiali with close sceel boots 2011-12-23T21:37:20 Accoun: do you have calculations for that? 2011-12-23T21:37:25 http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=340940&user=4513 2011-12-23T21:37:37 not, it fake top 2011-12-23T21:37:45 http://tcpants.com/ lets play 2011-12-23T21:38:07 *** FranPeruzzi has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T21:38:12 *** Scryer has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-23T21:38:38 amstan: you probably already know, but "Through hard work and determination **they** overcame the other 7900 submissions." 2011-12-23T21:38:47 *** Antimony has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2011-12-23T21:39:14 *** grokodile has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T21:40:26 *** FranPeruzzi has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-12-23T21:40:46 *** Cowbandit has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T21:41:53 * avdg has to spend more time to keep his family relaxed 2011-12-23T21:41:55 im only 2 mounth in contest im not play over 2011-12-23T21:41:55 *** raja has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T21:41:58 http://tcpants.com/ lets play 2011-12-23T21:42:14 *** dfgdf3 has left #aichallenge 2011-12-23T21:42:48 *** Antimony has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T21:45:31 amstan: i think you can clear contest schedule from main page ;) 2011-12-23T21:45:42 http://aichallenge.org/visualizer.php?game=328430 2011-12-23T21:45:42 Fluxid: yes.. let me look into it 2011-12-23T21:45:49 *** raja has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T21:46:06 *** gazpachoking has left #aichallenge ("Leaving") 2011-12-23T21:47:08 *** Antimony has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-12-23T21:47:54 aichallenge: Alexandru Stan epsilon * r13d2886 / website/index.php : Removed schedules - http://git.io/Bcnpig 2011-12-23T21:54:11 *** tasadar has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T21:54:31 http://tcpants.com/ lets play 2011-12-23T21:55:44 *** fp has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T21:55:50 Congrats Everyone, see you next contest! 2011-12-23T21:55:52 *** McLeopold has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-12-23T21:56:51 *** fp has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-12-23T21:58:36 hope goole find ozer orginizers for new contest 2011-12-23T21:58:45 hope google find ozer orginizers for new contest 2011-12-23T21:59:36 *** GreenTea has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T22:01:08 *** meduza_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T22:02:30 *** _ANTi_ <_ANTi_!63e751ed@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.231.81.237> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T22:03:22 Accoun: ok.. that's it.. 2011-12-23T22:03:24 *** Accoun was kicked by amstan (User terminated!) 2011-12-23T22:05:42 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T22:06:22 *** smjms has quit IRC (Quit: Lähdössä) 2011-12-23T22:08:42 *** simon__ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T22:09:32 *** roflmao has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T22:10:06 Good night all and Merry Christmas if I don't see you before then 2011-12-23T22:13:55 Merry Christmas all. Congrats to the winners and a big thanks to the organizers for running a great contest. I'll definitely join the next contest. 2011-12-23T22:13:57 Yer all that christmas stuff to you all :) 2011-12-23T22:14:29 So I never did pay attention, does xathis actally win anything? 2011-12-23T22:14:49 QGazQ: no, there is no prize 2011-12-23T22:15:06 QGazQ: bit i can tell you, it feels good :D 2011-12-23T22:15:10 *but 2011-12-23T22:15:33 And thats the best prize 2011-12-23T22:15:56 knowing you are better than at least 7000 ish other people! 2011-12-23T22:16:23 *** TwistedLogic has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T22:20:17 http://tcpants.com/ lets play 2011-12-23T22:20:52 lol 2011-12-23T22:22:05 *** cheeser_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T22:22:21 *** liberforce has left #aichallenge 2011-12-23T22:22:39 *** teapotahedron_ni has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T22:23:00 *** dr0b3rts has left #aichallenge 2011-12-23T22:24:59 congrats to everyone, thanks to the organizers *again* 2011-12-23T22:25:33 xathis: nice work! I skimmed your writeup, and it looks pretty clear. Thanks for putting it out there. 2011-12-23T22:25:53 dmj111> http://tcpants.com/ lets play 2011-12-23T22:26:14 Sure, once I get xathis's code. 2011-12-23T22:26:21 dmj111: thanks, what would be the ai challenge without a winner post mortem ;) 2011-12-23T22:26:30 xathis: yep! 2011-12-23T22:26:41 dmj111> run it at http://tcpants.com/ 2011-12-23T22:27:00 Accoun: I was kidding. I am going to sleep. game is over... 2011-12-23T22:27:08 xathis> http://tcpants.com/ lets play 2011-12-23T22:27:19 xathis> im only 2 mounth in contest im not play over 2011-12-23T22:27:26 xathis> please 2011-12-23T22:27:26 game is over. 2011-12-23T22:27:58 Accoun: you can donwload my code and run it locally 2011-12-23T22:28:11 right there: http://xathis.com/stuff/xathis-aichallenge-bot.zip 2011-12-23T22:29:53 xathis> have jar? 2011-12-23T22:30:10 Accoun: no, i never used jars 2011-12-23T22:30:26 xathis> cals? 2011-12-23T22:30:29 xathis> calas? 2011-12-23T22:30:33 xathis> class? 2011-12-23T22:30:46 MyBot.java is the main class 2011-12-23T22:31:40 hard to me operate java 2011-12-23T22:31:46 if you have it in a folder you have to add the -cp argument for javac and java 2011-12-23T22:32:22 xathis> http://tcpants.com/ lets play plese 2011-12-23T22:32:42 Change to directory, type make 2011-12-23T22:32:43 Run 2011-12-23T22:32:46 ???? 2011-12-23T22:32:48 Profit 2011-12-23T22:33:01 dont have javac in path 2011-12-23T22:33:04 put all my classes in a folder called xathis, then do "javac -cp xathis MyBot.java" and use "java -cp xathis MyBot" for playgame.py 2011-12-23T22:33:45 xathis: you have a weird way of celebrating ;) 2011-12-23T22:33:54 haha 2011-12-23T22:34:11 it's 4:33 am in germany, december 24 2011-12-23T22:34:54 never got a better christmas present 2011-12-23T22:35:08 i can believe it! 2011-12-23T22:35:52 once again, congrats, and enjoy. 2011-12-23T22:35:54 *** dmj111 has quit IRC (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)) 2011-12-23T22:36:32 only have jave runtime 2011-12-23T22:36:38 I hope you have some kind of alcoholic beverage to hand 2011-12-23T22:36:39 no javac 2011-12-23T22:36:48 http://tcpants.com/ lets play plese 2011-12-23T22:36:50 Get javac then 2011-12-23T22:37:12 Grab the jdk for your relavant platform 2011-12-23T22:37:31 *** numerek has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T22:37:32 i want to play with peoples 2011-12-23T22:37:37 on with self 2011-12-23T22:37:42 *** fourmidable has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T22:37:43 not with self 2011-12-23T22:39:14 xathis hope you don't mind but, Accoun: http://home.qgazq.net/donotgoinhere/xathis.jar 2011-12-23T22:39:30 oh no i don't mind 2011-12-23T22:39:34 I'd like to play with others, but myself usually has to surfice 2011-12-23T22:39:43 don't go in there! 2011-12-23T22:39:48 hehe 2011-12-23T22:39:50 but i guess now we'll hear him bragging about every single win against me :D 2011-12-23T22:39:54 yer its my public folder 2011-12-23T22:40:27 probably needs a cleanout 2011-12-23T22:40:44 I tend to use it for stuff I shouldn't make public, but its just easier than doing proper security 2011-12-23T22:41:09 the 'do not' isn't really helping then 2011-12-23T22:41:22 because that makes people want to go in there 2011-12-23T22:41:23 :D 2011-12-23T22:43:01 D:\_google_AI2011\xathis-aichallenge-bot>java xathis.jar 2011-12-23T22:43:02 Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: xathis/jar 2011-12-23T22:43:20 java -jar xathis.jar 2011-12-23T22:43:46 When its in a jar you give the jar and if it has a manifest (which it does) you don't need to specifiy the class 2011-12-23T22:44:04 And yes the name is a bit of a joke 2011-12-23T22:44:13 D:\_google_AI2011\xathis-aichallenge-bot>java -jar xathis.jar 2011-12-23T22:44:13 Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: MyBot : Unsupported major.minor version 51.0 2011-12-23T22:44:41 Ah yes I compiled with java 7 2011-12-23T22:44:48 I guess you are on java 6? 2011-12-23T22:44:52 dont have it 2011-12-23T22:45:03 i want to play with peoples not with self 2011-12-23T22:45:13 http://tcpants.com/ lets play plese 2011-12-23T22:45:58 xathis> u play on beta site? 2011-12-23T22:46:13 (past time) 2011-12-23T22:46:21 theres no point in playing more though 2011-12-23T22:46:52 1774 lines 2011-12-23T22:47:00 very compact 2011-12-23T22:47:13 Accoun: what is your question? i took part in the beta phase this contest, it was the first aichallenge for me 2011-12-23T22:47:36 Accoun: but very ugly code... 2011-12-23T22:47:41 xathis> 2 mounth? 2011-12-23T22:47:45 *** bergmark has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T22:47:49 *** fourmidable has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T22:48:02 xathis> from spring? 2011-12-23T22:48:06 Accoun: i was not there right at the beginning of the beta, i don't know exactly when i started 2011-12-23T22:48:30 xathis> im 2 mounth only work 2011-12-23T22:48:50 xathis> dont keep time to make special version for contst 2011-12-23T22:49:04 xathis> my bot timout on his mashines 2011-12-23T22:50:09 http://tcpants.com/ranking who is owner of 2 top positions? 2011-12-23T22:51:46 xathis> what battle make metod used? 2011-12-23T22:52:12 you can read about it in my writeup: http://xathis.com/posts/ai-challenge-2011-ants.html 2011-12-23T22:53:01 *** analyst74 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-12-23T22:53:06 xathis> alfa beta? 2011-12-23T22:53:19 yes, but only one turn 2011-12-23T22:53:57 xathis> a can bet u if make meter some ozer strategies 2011-12-23T22:54:17 xathis> a can bet u if make beter some ozer strategies 2011-12-23T22:56:07 xathis> im use Simplex solve of matrix game 2011-12-23T22:56:12 *** analyst74 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T22:56:57 xathis> 4 vs 4 ants averange 2011-12-23T22:57:14 Accoun: that's nice 2011-12-23T22:57:23 *** hacklash has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T22:57:50 xathis> and fast "not die" strategy for max 8 my ants 2011-12-23T22:57:58 *** hacklash has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-12-23T22:58:40 very bad game servers 2011-12-23T22:58:56 it worked good in beta satage may be 2011-12-23T22:59:17 and surpraised slow 2011-12-23T22:59:39 9x slower than desctop 2011-12-23T23:00:46 xathis> http://tcpants.com/player/Accoun20201 2011-12-23T23:01:26 well, that was gun 2011-12-23T23:01:27 fun( 2011-12-23T23:01:28 * 2011-12-23T23:01:39 *** raja has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-23T23:01:41 congratulations xathis 2011-12-23T23:01:50 Accoun: i'm not really good at 1vs1 games 2011-12-23T23:01:55 thanks itzkow 2011-12-23T23:02:27 its 6am here so I should get some sleep 2011-12-23T23:02:39 Well on the tcpants thing your bot it still rising quite well 2011-12-23T23:02:47 cu guys next competition i guess :) 2011-12-23T23:03:02 *** itzkow has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T23:03:14 Not really sure what I typed, but xathisproxy is 13th and rising 2011-12-23T23:08:53 itzkow> http://tcpants.com/ranking lets play 2011-12-23T23:16:27 *** Vaenom has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T23:16:39 *** CIA-92 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T23:16:39 *** CIA-32 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-23T23:20:10 *** porco has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T23:21:36 *** bergmark has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2011-12-23T23:23:51 *** TheLinker has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T23:32:24 *** kurti_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T23:35:06 *** kurti has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-23T23:35:56 *** u_ has quit IRC (Quit: u_) 2011-12-23T23:37:29 *** creation has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-23T23:38:45 *** xathis has quit IRC () 2011-12-23T23:42:56 *** aarossig has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-12-23T23:43:38 *** porco has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T23:47:51 *** cheeser_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T23:53:31 *** teapotahedron_ko has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-23T23:57:09 *** creation has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)