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2011-12-26T04:58:53  <Accoun> http://tcpants.com/ranking working?
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2011-12-26T05:00:00  <Kettling> phillijw: If you are still here, the comp is over but you can either [1] download the kit and play against yourself, or [2] play at tcpants.com
2011-12-26T05:00:43  <Kettling> I'd love for someone to come along to tcpants.com if they are someone I can beat :-)
2011-12-26T05:01:55  <Accoun> now in tcpants.com hard limit to 1 connection?
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2011-12-26T05:03:46  <Kettling> Accoun: I'm grateful for the use of someone else's machine under any conditions
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2011-12-26T05:16:52  <Accoun> Kettling> it ok byn not good
2011-12-26T05:17:02  <Accoun> Kettling> it ok but not good
2011-12-26T05:18:28  <Accoun> slow testing process
2011-12-26T05:19:09  <Kettling> Mine is much faster running locally, actually the game engine is the slowest things.
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2011-12-26T05:26:16  <Accoun> unoptimal pithon coding in game engine
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2011-12-26T05:26:37  <Accoun> all pithon coders yang stuped boys
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2011-12-26T05:31:14  <bearoff_w> чувак, ты реально поддостал
2011-12-26T05:31:28  <bearoff_w> мало того, что идиот, так хоть бы писал грамотно, а не позорился
2011-12-26T05:31:56  <bearoff_w> ты пишешь на английском, как ребёнок 7 лет, половину ж непонятно
2011-12-26T05:36:44  <thestinger> Kettling: the game engine pauses for 10ms between reading in each 100 orders
2011-12-26T05:36:59  <thestinger> just comment out that time.sleep(0.01) line in engine.py
2011-12-26T05:38:03  * Accoun added bearoff_w to ignore list
2011-12-26T05:38:49  <bearoff_w> I just wrote accoun on russian that he is extremely wrong )
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2011-12-26T05:50:34  <Kettling> thestinger: Actually I made the sleep a bit *longer* but there's still a bug that it doesn't close it's pipe filehandles properly... no big deal but it dies after a while
2011-12-26T05:54:40  <Kettling> Hey, bearoff... lots of Russians made it to the high ranks in the ants comp. Can I talk about Russia here? I'm interested in your opinion about how things are going.
2011-12-26T05:55:21  <Kettling> I think that Russia is at an interesting crossroads between state power and individual freedom.
2011-12-26T05:59:53  <bearoff_w> Kettling you can, of course )
2011-12-26T06:00:29  <bearoff_w> but I'm ukrainian though ) but russians are very close to us
2011-12-26T06:01:50  <Kettling> Yeah, well I'm Australian but I try to keep in mind what is going on in the world... lots of stuff is changing lately but difficult to guess where it will go.
2011-12-26T06:02:50  <bearoff_w> about crossroads - we often say "The severity of our laws imply a requirement of their performance", sorry for possible bad translation
2011-12-26T06:03:03  <bearoff_w> no, bad translate - wait
2011-12-26T06:04:23  <bearoff_w> "The severity of our laws imply optionality of their observance"
2011-12-26T06:04:28  <bearoff_w> it's better )
2011-12-26T06:05:17  <bearoff_w> but it's very bad in real, as you can never be sure that officials will not make a scapegoat from you
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2011-12-26T06:06:06  <bearoff_w> and you can be sure that you wil have problems when fighting for your rights
2011-12-26T06:08:02  <bearoff_w> may be the worst and the main thing is corruption - in courts, police and government. As it pull impunity for rich people
2011-12-26T06:08:59  <bearoff_w> (though I have not been really faced with our militia corruption yet, should say)
2011-12-26T06:09:38  <bearoff_w> will be away
2011-12-26T06:11:01  <Kettling> Interesting
2011-12-26T06:17:26  <Accoun> i have new version
2011-12-26T06:17:38  <Fluxid> < Accoun> all pithon coders yang stuped boys в†ђ the way you write this make me laugh REALLY LOUD
2011-12-26T06:18:04  <Accoun> Fluxid> i dont apruve it?
2011-12-26T06:18:07  <Accoun> Fluxid> u dont apruve it?
2011-12-26T06:18:18  <Fluxid> Accoun: i code Python for living
2011-12-26T06:18:48  <Accoun> Fluxid> if someone want low price coder he seek pithon coder
2011-12-26T06:19:04  <Fluxid> Accoun: i'm still laughing
2011-12-26T06:19:24  <Accoun> in fact all pithon programs hard bad
2011-12-26T06:19:38  <Fluxid> do you want me to die from laughter?
2011-12-26T06:19:51  <Accoun> for exzmple tcpclient.py - it terrible
2011-12-26T06:19:52  <Fluxid> my programs are hard bad, just like my cock
2011-12-26T06:20:17  <Accoun> u cock vary bad but hard?
2011-12-26T06:20:45  <Fluxid> anyway, i'm off, aichallenge was fun, i'll be back when next challenge comes :)
2011-12-26T06:20:48  <Fluxid> cu
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2011-12-26T06:21:09  <Accoun> i have new version lets play http://tcpants.com/ranking
2011-12-26T06:23:00  <Accoun> somethin wrong with pithon coders cocks
2011-12-26T06:23:33  <Kettling> I looked at Python and Ruby and I thought, "yeah there are interesting ideas, but I already know perl, I already know C, and I use R for my mathematical analysis so what is python giving me?"
2011-12-26T06:23:55  <Accoun> pithon no any advantaje over perl, but veru slou and stuped
2011-12-26T06:24:57  <Accoun> it gives nothing
2011-12-26T06:25:18  <Kettling> so if I'm in a hurry and putting something together I use perl, and if I'm serious I use C, sometimes I use java, but this python thing just makes me work hard to no advantage
2011-12-26T06:25:37  <thestinger> it 'makes you work hard'?
2011-12-26T06:26:32  <Kettling> Yeah, everything is different in python... different from all the major languages for no reason but someone said, "hey I want something different"
2011-12-26T06:26:53  <thestinger> not really much different than other languages
2011-12-26T06:27:32  <thestinger> the syntax/semantics take a day to learn and the language and standard library are pretty consistent
2011-12-26T06:27:44  <Kettling> I have only so much time left in my life for new things, don't want to waste it learning again what I already know
2011-12-26T06:28:08  <thestinger> so don't - doesn't meant there's something wrong with it
2011-12-26T06:28:32  <Kettling> Hey, other people can do what they want with their life
2011-12-26T06:28:36  <thestinger> it's just another tool
2011-12-26T06:29:16  <Accoun> it's just another tool not needed
2011-12-26T06:29:32  <Accoun> all tools is exist
2011-12-26T06:30:07  <Kettling> I used to learn LISP and SCHEME and what I discovered was [A] no one is interested, and [B] you get nothing special that isn't available already elsewhere and [C] no one is interested
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2011-12-26T06:30:42  <Kettling> I wasted years on those languages... then I thought to myself, shit man you got old, learn to focus
2011-12-26T06:30:53  <Accoun> peri it new veriso of (LISP and SCHEME)
2011-12-26T06:30:59  <Accoun> peri it new verison of (LISP and SCHEME)
2011-12-26T06:31:04  <Accoun> perl it new verison of (LISP and SCHEME)
2011-12-26T06:31:13  <Kettling> Yeah, perl gives you the same, but it's a lot easier to use
2011-12-26T06:31:56  <Kettling> Also, perl is something that many people use, and new people come along and pick it up quickly
2011-12-26T06:33:27  <Accoun> C - mainstreem, PASCAL for freaks
2011-12-26T06:33:36  <Accoun> perl - mainstreem, pithon for freaks
2011-12-26T06:35:18  <Accoun> on http://tcpants.com now 1 connection per IP ?
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2011-12-26T06:58:21  <Kettling> Are you guys worried about the European Central Bank slipping in their low interest "money printing" loans just before Christmas so the big banks get bailed out? Are we going to see inflation?
2011-12-26T06:59:22  <Kettling> Can we make money by just printing more money?
2011-12-26T07:01:42  <X-Scale> Kettling: the Federal Reserve has been doing that for 40 years no: *printing money out of thin air*.
2011-12-26T07:01:49  <X-Scale> now*
2011-12-26T07:03:09  <X-Scale> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Modern_Money_Mechanics.pdf
2011-12-26T07:04:51  <Kettling> X-Scale: yeah that's true but they were a bit more cautious about it before... and also they have run into inflation problems in the past
2011-12-26T07:06:06  <X-Scale> And yes, Inflation is the unavoidable byproduct of this printing press process. It's a hidden tax most people are forced to pay.
2011-12-26T07:06:33  <Accoun> europe live last days
2011-12-26T07:07:16  <X-Scale> The difference between America and Europe is that America still fight wars all over the world to keep its empire, to keep plundering natural resources of other countries. Europe doesn't do that anymore. That gives an edge to America.
2011-12-26T07:07:35  <X-Scale> I'm afraid so, Accoun
2011-12-26T07:09:36  <Accoun> The difference between America and Europe is that Europe be double riped in World War 2
2011-12-26T07:10:21  <X-Scale> Europe basically killed itself in WW2. Hitler was too dumb and played the part that USA and USSR wanted him to play
2011-12-26T07:10:37  <X-Scale> The final outcome was the irrelevance of Europe.
2011-12-26T07:11:00  <Accoun> Hitler was dumb but ozer caountres dumbest
2011-12-26T07:11:22  <Accoun> Hitler was dumb but ozer european cantries dumbest
2011-12-26T07:13:47  <X-Scale> The future of europe is to become an islamic federation
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2011-12-26T07:14:24  <Accoun> cant worck cant kill and will die
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2011-12-26T07:20:14  <Kettling> X-Scale: Thing is, you are not forced to pay the inflation tax... most people I know are in debt most of their lives. If inflation pays off my mortgage then I can live with that
2011-12-26T07:20:47  <Kettling> But, then you pay the interest rate tax instead
2011-12-26T07:21:20  <Accoun> EU have investition part in he parice
2011-12-26T07:21:44  <Accoun> if be inflation in mast be lowered drvmaticaly
2011-12-26T07:21:48  <Accoun> if be inflation in mast be lowered dramaticaly
2011-12-26T07:22:21  <Accoun> if be inflation in may be lowered dramaticaly
2011-12-26T07:22:45  <Kettling> Accoun: Maybe inflation gets people to spend their money... no point saving if it's going to devalue anyhow, so people just spend and don't care
2011-12-26T07:23:37  <Kettling> Then again, why work hard for a system that is rigged to make sure you always lose
2011-12-26T07:27:11  <X-Scale> No doubt the system is totally rigged to favour a small power elite.
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2011-12-26T08:00:15  <Kettling> X-Scale: I would guess that applies to all of history. However, that small elite group can only consume a small amount of the world's resources... they are welcome to it. I just want the chance to rise a bit above the crowd
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2011-12-26T08:07:47  <pairofdice> rofl
2011-12-26T08:13:27  <Accoun> A spectre is haunting Europe — the spectre of communism.
2011-12-26T08:13:41  <Accoun> again
2011-12-26T08:16:24  <Accoun> i have new version lets play http://tcpants.com/ranking
2011-12-26T08:23:51  <cseyu01> <-- working on cseyo_new atm
2011-12-26T08:24:15  <cseyu01> cseyu_old is not so good
2011-12-26T08:26:40  <cseyu01> I'll run it so you have a new opponent tho
2011-12-26T08:28:17  <Accoun> run someote opensouce top bots
2011-12-26T08:29:07  <cseyu01> do you know of any good ones in python?
2011-12-26T08:29:19  <pairofdice> There are no top python bots
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2011-12-26T08:30:05  <pairofdice> And the top python bots aren't really python bots at all ;p
2011-12-26T08:30:30  <cseyu01> I'll have a strong python bot up soon
2011-12-26T08:31:21  <cseyu01> Just learnt python for this
2011-12-26T08:31:41  <cseyu01> everything is in 2 files
2011-12-26T08:32:01  <cseyu01> main file is 600 lines
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2011-12-26T08:32:41  <cseyu01> <--- doesn't know enough about modules
2011-12-26T08:34:24  <Accoun> dont waste time for pithoon
2011-12-26T08:34:52  <pairofdice> Python is definitely not a waste of time
2011-12-26T08:35:20  <cseyu01> what's good to know in the industry these days?
2011-12-26T08:35:54  <cseyu01> I went to school for programming 12 yrs ago, and never worked in the industry
2011-12-26T08:36:04  <cseyu01> back then they were teaching us java
2011-12-26T08:36:20  <Accoun> Python is definitely a waste of time
2011-12-26T08:37:29  <cseyu01> what's good to learn then?
2011-12-26T08:37:45  <cseyu01> I've done C and java
2011-12-26T08:37:49  <cseyu01> C++
2011-12-26T08:38:42  <cseyu01> I went back to school in september to pick up where i left off 12 yrs ago
2011-12-26T08:38:56  <cseyu01> I'll be done in april 2013
2011-12-26T08:39:16  <cseyu01> what do employers want you to know these days?
2011-12-26T08:39:44  <cseyu01> i know "not python" lol
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2011-12-26T09:33:24  <Accoun> i have new version lets play http://tcpants.com/ranking
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2011-12-26T10:03:19  <phillijw> I used the java starter package and wasn't a fan of how it was designed so I'm completely rewriting it
2011-12-26T10:06:45  <cseyu01> passable() > occupied()
2011-12-26T10:06:56  <cseyu01> just have to check for collisions
2011-12-26T10:07:03  <cseyu01> their logic is flawed
2011-12-26T10:07:25  <cseyu01> it's OK to move to an occupied tile as long as the ant there moves
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2011-12-26T10:07:43  <cseyu01> that's the problem I have with the starter package
2011-12-26T10:08:17  <cseyu01> or the tutorial package, whatever it's caled
2011-12-26T10:14:55  <phillijw> yeah, I dunno. I am in the midst of switching it to a map based system
2011-12-26T10:23:58  <Accoun> i have new version lets play http://tcpants.com/ranking
2011-12-26T10:36:22  <cseyu01> <-- new version will be ready today :)
2011-12-26T10:37:06  <cseyu01> cseyu_new >>> cse_yu_old , testing locally ATM
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2011-12-26T11:16:47  <Extrarius> cseyu01: Actually, my employer values me highly for my python knowledge, and we do mostly low-level system programming
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2011-12-26T11:19:09  <Extrarius> python is invaluable for things like our test framework, where we can run our applications across a huge VM farm containing every version of windows in several languages to ensure broad compatability and proper unicode handling
2011-12-26T11:20:47  <Extrarius> you don't write time critical things in python, of course, but most people don't write time critical things at all, so that is rarely an issue
2011-12-26T11:22:41  <Extrarius> it'd be silly (but kinda cool) to embed python in a device driver, but it'd be just as silly to write tens of thousands of lines of C or C++ code when several hundred in python acomplish the same thing
2011-12-26T11:23:25  <Accoun> http://tcpants.com/ranking strange server, sometames causet non
2011-12-26T11:23:31  <Accoun> i have new version lets play http://tcpants.com/ranking
2011-12-26T11:24:08  <cseyu01> good to know, ty
2011-12-26T11:25:36  <Extrarius> Accoun: Does tcpants support more than 1v1? It'd be nice to have the full range of match types
2011-12-26T11:27:58  <Accoun> Extrarius> it support
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2011-12-26T12:42:39  <cseyu01> cseyu_new is up and running :)
2011-12-26T12:44:05  <cseyu01> http://tcpants.com/player/MettaWorldPeace_001
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2011-12-26T19:22:35  <phillijw> When I run play_one_game.cmd it says "status crashed crashed" but I do not know why it crashes. When I run the test I don't see any errors
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2011-12-26T19:33:20  <Kettling> phillijw: Use the "ulimit" command to allow a core file to be generated, then use the debugger on the core file
2011-12-26T19:34:03  <Kettling> Errr, I should ask which language you are using I guess
2011-12-26T19:34:07  <phillijw> java
2011-12-26T19:35:04  <_flag> If anyone wants to see a basic video-explanation of my bot I've uploaded one here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsbda_hL2Ro
2011-12-26T19:35:09  <Kettling> Oh, no java does not use core files, just catch the exception and print a stack trace... unfortunately you first need to redirect the System.err stream over to a temporary file or something
2011-12-26T19:35:19  <amstan_> Kettling: just enable the debug flag
2011-12-26T19:35:47  <Kettling> OK, I never found that :-)
2011-12-26T19:37:59  <phillijw> _flag, I like how you pronounce "against"
2011-12-26T19:38:16  <_flag> phillijw: Thanks I suppose
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2011-12-26T20:15:57  <Kettling> FlagCapper: nice video rendering of the internal map
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2011-12-26T22:31:57  <gaussin> Any ideas when the next challenge will be discussed or announced?
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2011-12-26T23:29:04  <phillijw> Finally got this damn bot to work. Rewrote almost all of the boilet plate so it wasn't so craptastic
2011-12-26T23:29:12  <phillijw> *boiler plate
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