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(Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-12-28T08:50:16 *** Anilm3 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T08:51:21 hi 2011-12-28T08:52:27 *** Equinoxe has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T08:52:53 Hello all ! 2011-12-28T08:53:07 hi Equinoxe 2011-12-28T08:53:25 I am having fun trying to improved my ants bot, and discovered something that looks like a bug in the canvas 2011-12-28T08:53:32 improve* 2011-12-28T08:53:59 oh 2011-12-28T08:54:10 When the bot has an error "move blocked" (a food spawned near it, and it tried to walk on it), the canvas remains blank 2011-12-28T08:54:27 When I manually erase the error in the replay, it all works fine 2011-12-28T08:54:57 Did you have this kind of bugs yet ? 2011-12-28T08:58:07 Equinoxe: that would explain strange replays 2011-12-28T09:00:11 *** X-Scale has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-28T09:01:14 *** X-Scale has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T09:04:43 *** chris__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2011-12-28T09:09:21 *** 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But I'm afraid your bugreport came too late :) There is a very small chance that working ants vizualiser will ever be needed again for contest organisers. So the guy who made the visualizer will not bother to think about it anymore. 2011-12-28T09:12:51 @seen mcstar 2011-12-28T09:12:51 UncleVasya: mcstar was last seen in #aichallenge 6 days, 4 hours, 25 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: bye guys 2011-12-28T09:12:56 @seen olexs 2011-12-28T09:12:56 UncleVasya: olexs was last seen in #aichallenge 1 week, 1 day, 13 hours, 11 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: crap, my final version is not timeout-proof... damn it 2011-12-28T09:16:58 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-28T09:24:40 hi UncleVasya 2011-12-28T09:25:08 *** Ryanashcraft has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T09:25:20 hi 2011-12-28T09:26:02 @seen a1k0n 2011-12-28T09:26:02 Anilm3: a1k0n was last seen in #aichallenge 1 day, 8 hours, 44 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: i know rite 2011-12-28T09:26:02 I'm hearing that the likeness of xpilot could be the next challenge. I like it. 2011-12-28T09:27:09 It also sounds a fair bit more complicated than ants :) 2011-12-28T09:27:30 pairofdice: seems cool 2011-12-28T09:28:44 *** Ryanashcraft has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-12-28T09:30:54 I know some guys who don't like Ants because previous contests were 'nice in their simpliness' (how to right that word right?). Going for more complicated games can scare this kind of people. 2011-12-28T09:31:34 Ants is simple imo 2011-12-28T09:31:46 http://www.xpilot-ai.org/ 2011-12-28T09:32:31 Simple to get your toes wet anyway 2011-12-28T09:33:17 But if these guys were the ones that only uploaded starter bots anyway... 2011-12-28T09:37:04 *** mj41 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T09:37:15 *** Guest27956 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T09:37:22 They like simple games not because they cannot do complicated ones but because for fun_project they do not want be bothered with reading too many rules (like battle resolution method or flow of gather-spawn-move-attack events). 2011-12-28T09:37:53 *** X-Scale has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2011-12-28T09:40:03 *** Equinoxe has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2011-12-28T09:43:35 It wasn't very much reading. You could skip the flow completely without much hindrance 2011-12-28T09:50:29 anyway, have they real point or not, I've heard such kind of thought about Ants (from my friends, on forum (not official one)). They did compete Ants (around 200nd place) but without so much attention as they gave for PW. 2011-12-28T09:51:49 I need to read about what x-pilot is for furthest discussion. :) 2011-12-28T09:54:21 But my point is that contests way for more complicated games can lead us to the situation when only few hundred of 'geeks' will compete. 2011-12-28T09:55:16 planet wars required knowing the game mechanics too 2011-12-28T09:55:37 for example there were three options for handling what happened when players simultaneously had fleets arriving at a planet 2011-12-28T09:55:51 *** Harpyon has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/) 2011-12-28T09:55:56 which didn't show up and need fixing until after the official launch because we didn't have a proper beta period 2011-12-28T09:56:11 i think the real argument these people want to make is the difference from tron to say planet wars and ants 2011-12-28T09:56:36 ie. something with a smaller state space that you could try out different ideas with more easily 2011-12-28T09:56:45 and much simpler game mechanics 2011-12-28T09:57:05 Åðóí âøâ ùòäí ÇÖ ôòâ Ôòåûþ 2011-12-28T09:57:13 sorry 2011-12-28T09:57:17 They did only PW and Ants 2011-12-28T09:58:44 antimatroid: Congrats to you for beating Smiley 2011-12-28T09:58:53 cheers :) 2011-12-28T09:59:15 I agree that the game has to be simple 2011-12-28T09:59:21 I wanted him to beat you, but anyway.... 2011-12-28T09:59:26 i said something about placing first in aus being considerably easier than for the us and then an australian i'd never seen tlak on irc before was like "maybe for you" oops hehe 2011-12-28T09:59:34 :( 2011-12-28T09:59:41 I think ants had good amount of complexity. It was simple enough to get started but required little more thinking to get into details. 2011-12-28T10:00:00 i want to try something completely new 2011-12-28T10:00:06 but i don't know how 2011-12-28T10:00:17 everything is graph based and minimaxable 2011-12-28T10:00:27 if you abuse it like I do with sample moves 2011-12-28T10:00:46 tcpants.com dont make games for me 2011-12-28T10:00:50 {tcpants.com dont make games for me} 2011-12-28T10:01:00 i'm interested in the idea of biting the bullet and going for something more predictive with my next bot 2011-12-28T10:01:20 i've always talked about modelling my enemy and predicting what they'll do off past moves, but have never actually tried it 2011-12-28T10:01:30 Accoun: To be honest, we don't care :) 2011-12-28T10:01:35 if done well that would have been really good for ants 2011-12-28T10:01:38 -{tcpants.com dont make games for me}- 2011-12-28T10:02:08 saing it here sometimes help 2011-12-28T10:02:14 Accoun: you should know from past contests that most people lose interest straight away, next time spend more time making sure your bot will run with the given resources 2011-12-28T10:02:15 I treid to create 7x7 matrices around opponents ants in combat and use them to predict opponents moves, but I never got it finished. 2011-12-28T10:02:19 But xpilot is dangerously close to 100% physics modeling 2011-12-28T10:02:21 *tried 2011-12-28T10:02:33 I love physics so no problem for me but... 2011-12-28T10:02:37 I just used their locations for battle resolution 2011-12-28T10:02:59 hehe, i've done no physics and i'm technically starting a phd in physics in the new year 2011-12-28T10:03:18 * Accoun added antimatroid to ignore list 2011-12-28T10:03:24 I was very surprised xathis does not differ opponents even in battle. 2011-12-28T10:03:39 why? 2011-12-28T10:04:08 I do not differ too and consider them all as one enemy team but I thought it is okay only for semi-top bots. 2011-12-28T10:05:11 i don't think there was anything amazing about the winning bots for pw or ants, just less bugs than other people and a superior combination of doing things in the right order 2011-12-28T10:05:29 Can I call my 42th place semi-top? :D 2011-12-28T10:05:39 it would be cool if top solutions did start involving more complicated stuff 2011-12-28T10:05:42 most certainly 2011-12-28T10:06:08 we're the 1% 2011-12-28T10:06:10 :P 2011-12-28T10:06:18 I'm the 5% 2011-12-28T10:06:23 peasant :) 2011-12-28T10:06:40 Did you saw 007 thread on PW forums? 2011-12-28T10:06:40 * antimatroid actually dislikes how much some people cared about others rankings during planet wars 2011-12-28T10:07:04 often i'd be talking to people on irc about strategy and they'd actually ask for my ranking before having a conversation 2011-12-28T10:07:17 it's basically saying "hey, i'll only talk to you if you're going to help me" 2011-12-28T10:07:31 nope? 2011-12-28T10:07:56 When you care about ranking to much it always transforms from 'I want be better then my opponents' to 'I hope my opponents will be worse then me' 2011-12-28T10:08:21 * pairofdice hires some saboteurs 2011-12-28T10:08:22 yeah, and you are never satisfied with the result 2011-12-28T10:08:32 i'm very happy with my ants result from time spent on it 2011-12-28T10:08:36 Let me find that thread (few minutes). 2011-12-28T10:08:45 unless of course you win 2011-12-28T10:09:20 I'm happy that I got anything to work at all 2011-12-28T10:09:51 *** X-Scale has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T10:10:24 was this your first contest though? 2011-12-28T10:10:29 i wrote bots for tron and planet wars 2011-12-28T10:10:33 Yeah, first one 2011-12-28T10:10:37 next contest i'm hoping to have more time for 2011-12-28T10:10:47 at which point i'm giving top 10 a serious go again 2011-12-28T10:17:21 antimatroid: http://forums.aichallenge.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1195 2011-12-28T10:22:33 me is sad 2011-12-28T10:22:51 * Anilm3 is sad 2011-12-28T10:23:24 haha nice 2011-12-28T10:23:28 [s]why?[\s] nobody cares :D 2011-12-28T10:25:21 http://queue.acm.org/icpc/ 2011-12-28T10:25:34 there's an ai contest starting in the new year if that's what you're sad about 2011-12-28T10:26:45 I was trying the /me thing 2011-12-28T10:26:45 xD 2011-12-28T10:27:06 I'm not really sad 2011-12-28T10:28:36 *** cseyu01 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T10:29:51 6 hours of debugging... "hmm that 'break' statement should be a 'continue" 2011-12-28T10:30:06 isn't coding fun :) 2011-12-28T10:30:21 Always 2011-12-28T10:31:25 *** Guest27956 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-12-28T10:44:44 "We are of peace, always." 2011-12-28T10:44:54 Sure, sure, I believe you! 2011-12-28T10:45:23 Hey, why did you bite that mans head off... RUN!! 2011-12-28T10:50:36 pairofdice: Have you just quotet Anna? 2011-12-28T10:52:27 bye guys 2011-12-28T10:52:28 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC () 2011-12-28T10:56:08 *** moxian|2 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T10:56:55 *** mj41 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-12-28T10:58:16 *** TheLinker has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T10:58:40 *** Areks has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2011-12-28T11:07:16 antimatroid: are you participating on the icpc challenge? 2011-12-28T11:07:23 *** JorgeB has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T11:07:26 not sure, probably not 2011-12-28T11:07:34 i will be quite busy in the new year 2011-12-28T11:07:39 for at least a little while 2011-12-28T11:08:36 it seems interesting 2011-12-28T11:10:06 *** aerique has quit IRC (Quit: ...) 2011-12-28T11:35:30 *** choas has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T11:45:11 *** TheLinker has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-28T11:54:10 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T11:58:00 *** raemde has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T11:58:14 *** moxian has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T12:00:43 *** raemde_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-12-28T12:01:49 *** moxian|2 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2011-12-28T12:02:05 *** cseyu01 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-28T12:08:59 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T12:14:10 *** raemde_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T12:17:08 *** Migi32 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T12:17:13 *** raemde has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-12-28T12:17:44 hi. Are the rankings available in a machine-readable format somewhere? 2011-12-28T12:24:49 *** cseyu01 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T12:25:07 *** zyberkid has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T12:26:10 *** zyberkid has left #aichallenge 2011-12-28T12:40:06 *** choas has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-28T12:48:53 as json 2011-12-28T12:49:27 http://aichallenge.org/ranking_json.php 2011-12-28T13:02:00 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-28T13:02:16 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T13:10:34 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-28T13:13:24 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T13:18:31 *** moxian has quit IRC (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) 2011-12-28T13:27:32 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-28T13:27:46 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T13:31:29 *** janzert2 is now known as janzert 2011-12-28T13:35:20 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-28T13:35:34 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T13:46:18 *** Sabian||Sleep has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2011-12-28T13:48:10 *** Guest27956 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T13:50:52 *** flowenol has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T13:54:31 *** Sabian||Sleep has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T13:57:24 *** Anilm3 has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) 2011-12-28T14:17:23 *** Sabian||Sleep has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2011-12-28T14:31:27 *** choas has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T14:31:43 *** Sabian||Sleep has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T14:37:02 *** Croontje has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T14:41:35 janzert: thanks 2011-12-28T14:44:06 I've had some fun with it, plotting the ranking curves of a few countries 2011-12-28T14:44:07 http://i.imgur.com/ZPqjE.png 2011-12-28T14:47:13 seems like native English-speaking countries didn't do too well, on average 2011-12-28T14:47:28 *** Guest27956 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-12-28T14:48:24 what is "Expected Rank"? 2011-12-28T14:49:00 expected rank = (rank in your country / number of contestants in your country) * total number of contestants 2011-12-28T14:49:18 oh, i see 2011-12-28T14:50:26 I cut it off at actual rank 2500, because above that it's only starter bots 2011-12-28T14:50:34 *** amstan_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T14:50:34 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan_ 2011-12-28T14:54:07 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2011-12-28T15:02:29 the graph doesn't really show very much actually, just that a larger % of American contestants submitted starter bots compared to Russia. 2011-12-28T15:03:07 here's the graph without cutting off at 2500: http://i.imgur.com/LvtYv.png 2011-12-28T15:07:54 *** g0llum has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T15:10:16 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T15:13:59 *** Regis has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T15:42:35 so US was most likely to upload a starter and then leave it while Russia least likely 2011-12-28T15:43:00 the Ukraine line has some interesting jumps in it 2011-12-28T15:56:41 *** amstan_ is now known as amstan 2011-12-28T16:02:20 *** Kurnevsky has quit IRC (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 2011-12-28T16:23:06 *** chris_0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T16:43:35 *** kire has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T17:00:34 *** g0llum has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-12-28T17:03:54 *** Bfig has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T17:13:59 *** chris_0076 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-12-28T17:16:55 *** chris_0076 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T17:22:53 *** mleise1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-28T17:23:54 *** kire has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-28T17:24:14 *** mleise has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T17:27:27 *** gazpachoking has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T17:41:10 *** Bfig has left #aichallenge ("Saliendo") 2011-12-28T17:41:59 *** mj41 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T17:49:18 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T17:50:55 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T17:54:27 *** sigh_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T17:54:35 *** mceier has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2011-12-28T17:56:07 *** sigh has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 253 seconds) 2011-12-28T18:03:20 Migi32: cool, although you left out australia :( 2011-12-28T18:04:48 antimatroid: I had to leave out most countries, otherwise it would have been a horrible mess 2011-12-28T18:04:59 yes, but Australia is important :P 2011-12-28T18:05:16 anyway, i need to keep getting ready 2011-12-28T18:05:30 off to a music festival today over new years 2011-12-28T18:05:55 *** Sabian||Sleep is now known as Ep1kMalware 2011-12-28T18:11:42 *** mleise has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-28T18:20:09 *** Kingpin13 has quit IRC (Quit: quit) 2011-12-28T18:20:35 *** mj41 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-12-28T18:21:03 *** creation has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T18:22:34 *** creation has left #aichallenge 2011-12-28T18:40:48 *** gazpachoking has left #aichallenge ("Leaving") 2011-12-28T18:52:26 *** Jak_o_Shadows has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T18:52:55 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-28T18:53:20 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T19:03:34 *** Ep1kMalware has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-12-28T19:05:06 *** Ep1kMalware has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T19:30:30 *** Regis has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2011-12-28T19:30:44 *** Jak_o_Shadows has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-28T19:41:57 *** choas has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-12-28T19:45:29 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-28T19:52:32 *** foRei has quit IRC (Quit: Bye) 2011-12-28T19:52:35 *** dmj111` has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T19:54:09 *** dmj111 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-28T20:05:16 *** Migi32 has quit IRC (Quit: bye) 2011-12-28T20:21:02 *** JorgeB has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 2011-12-28T20:22:20 *** arscan has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T20:24:08 *** ikaros has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat) 2011-12-28T20:31:29 *** alc has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T20:37:38 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-28T20:47:21 *** pairofdice has quit IRC (Quit: When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl.) 2011-12-28T21:02:22 *** sevikkk has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2011-12-28T21:03:05 *** sevikkk has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-28T21:10:46 tcpants anyone? 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