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I get Status:0 error 2011-12-30T04:47:26 *** X-Scale has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-12-30T04:48:03 *** X-Scale` has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T04:48:13 *** codetiger has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-30T04:50:08 *** choas has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T04:50:49 *** Kurnevsky has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T04:55:17 *** choas has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2011-12-30T05:01:42 *** foRei has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T05:12:13 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T05:14:11 *** X-Scale` is now known as X-Scale 2011-12-30T05:24:44 *** amstan has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-12-30T05:24:56 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T05:24:56 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2011-12-30T05:34:33 *** alc has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-12-30T06:50:12 *** mj41 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T06:53:10 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T07:00:03 *** ikaros has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T07:08:36 *** flowenol has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T07:11:49 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T07:13:01 *** grc48 has left #aichallenge ("Leaving") 2011-12-30T07:27:26 *** Jak_o_Shadows1 has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-30T08:00:53 *** X-Scale has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2011-12-30T08:08:25 *** X-Scale has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T08:13:11 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-12-30T08:49:36 *** pairofdice has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T08:52:42 *** Shubit has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T09:17:55 *** Frib has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-12-30T09:18:17 *** Frib has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T09:19:27 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T09:25:58 @later tell amstan I personally don't care for arch and doesn't seem off hand like it would offer any benefits for the contest 2011-12-30T09:25:58 janzert: Aye, aye, sir 2011-12-30T09:29:00 (it is more up-to-date than ubuntu) 2011-12-30T09:35:12 *** JorgeB has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 2011-12-30T09:38:15 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-12-30T09:54:22 *** Areks has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2011-12-30T10:05:10 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T10:12:03 *** raemde has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T10:13:52 *** raemde_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-12-30T10:25:12 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-30T10:32:09 *** jstrong has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T10:45:07 *** NightExcessive has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T10:50:25 *** ahow984_ has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T10:50:28 mcstar: hah, it is definitely a Destiny. Look at the 7th topic ( starting from the top): http://queue.acm.org/index.cfm 2011-12-30T10:51:41 UncleVasya: are you competint in that? 2011-12-30T10:52:00 no, just curious a little 2011-12-30T10:52:12 why not compete? 2011-12-30T10:53:43 1. will have no time for this; 2. seems hard to me. 2011-12-30T10:53:52 UncleVasya: i started reading it, and i realized its a long article 2011-12-30T10:54:25 ill give it a full read later 2011-12-30T10:54:28 UncleVasya: no harm in trying, I doubt I'll be able to do it but there's no harm in trying :P 2011-12-30T10:54:34 mcstar: are you going to do it? 2011-12-30T10:54:40 yes 2011-12-30T10:54:44 definitely 2011-12-30T10:54:57 have you seen any more details apart from the homepage? 2011-12-30T10:54:58 seems to be an interesting article, with hands-on experience 2011-12-30T10:55:29 you dont know me yet, but this is part of my joke 2011-12-30T10:55:38 you talk about the challenge but im talking about the article 2011-12-30T10:55:51 :P my bad 2011-12-30T10:56:09 theres little detail wrt the contest 2011-12-30T10:56:25 and Ants left me dead 2011-12-30T10:56:26 http://groups.google.com/group/qicpc/ 2011-12-30T10:56:35 if anyone is interested in it 2011-12-30T10:56:35 so no, im not going for it 2011-12-30T10:56:39 kk 2011-12-30T10:58:05 im solidifying my c++ knowledge atm, to pass the tests 2011-12-30T10:58:15 tests? In school? 2011-12-30T10:58:33 did you not make your bot in C++? 2011-12-30T10:58:56 mcstar: I found a cool sentence about 'OCaml vs Haskell': 2011-12-30T10:59:05 'A complete commitment to immutability is a commitment to never building anything real.' 2011-12-30T11:00:09 ahow984_: he did it in Lisp, then in something else, then in c++ and finally in C++11 :) 2011-12-30T11:00:32 there was no something else inbetween 2011-12-30T11:00:44 This time many guys decided to write their submissions in Lisp :D 2011-12-30T11:01:29 ahow984_: I'll give you a A mark in history if you tell me why :D 2011-12-30T11:01:29 ahow984_: job interview/tests, i wrote it in c++, but that doesnt mean i know the details of its object oriented features 2011-12-30T11:02:24 UncleVasya: if I tell you why what? :P 2011-12-30T11:02:37 *** Guest27956 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T11:03:02 Why many people started to write their Ants bots in Lisp 2011-12-30T11:03:17 GreenTead too, btw. 2011-12-30T11:03:22 because Lisp is excellent at representing mathematical algorithims 2011-12-30T11:03:23 oh? 2011-12-30T11:03:34 ahow984_: your out 2011-12-30T11:03:41 and historically it has always been used for AI 2011-12-30T11:03:48 wrong still 2011-12-30T11:03:50 :P whats the answer? 2011-12-30T11:04:05 third try for a D? 2011-12-30T11:04:10 But he changed it back to Java after few weeks. 2011-12-30T11:04:24 amm, because Lisp makes you sound smart? lol I dunno 2011-12-30T11:04:40 what I have said is true though (point 1 and 2) 2011-12-30T11:04:51 In his blog he said he steped back to Java because Lisp was very slow for him. 2011-12-30T11:05:06 speed was ok for me 2011-12-30T11:05:13 i profiled and optimized 2011-12-30T11:05:17 oh, ok 2011-12-30T11:05:22 (meaning, i declared some types) 2011-12-30T11:05:27 I thought the question was why they chose Lisp in the first place 2011-12-30T11:05:32 yes 2011-12-30T11:05:37 and you still dont know the answer 2011-12-30T11:05:46 no-one has answered me yet ;) 2011-12-30T11:05:57 UncleVasya: tell him 2011-12-30T11:06:58 *** Guest27956 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-12-30T11:07:13 ahow984_: here is the answer: http://planetwars.aichallenge.org/ 2011-12-30T11:07:18 *** Guest27956 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T11:07:51 UncleVasya: i left cl, because i realized im not writing very idiomatic code in it, and i wasnt comfortable with its object system, and i realized i wanted to use many 2d arrays 2011-12-30T11:07:55 because some guy won it with Lisp? 2011-12-30T11:08:00 yay 2011-12-30T11:08:02 yes 2011-12-30T11:08:11 thats an awful reason.... 2011-12-30T11:08:28 but yet it works :) 2011-12-30T11:08:29 srsly 2011-12-30T11:08:30 It's a good reason :) 2011-12-30T11:08:49 because one guy had a good idea which he made in Lisp, loads of people do it in Lisp? 2011-12-30T11:08:52 lol 2011-12-30T11:09:12 i wanted to try lisp since 2004 2011-12-30T11:09:17 it was a good incentive 2011-12-30T11:09:21 projecteuler.net? 2011-12-30T11:09:28 but thats a good reason 2011-12-30T11:09:35 I've read that such kind of irrationality is the part of human behaviour. 2011-12-30T11:09:37 if you want to use it to learn it, great :P 2011-12-30T11:09:44 *behavior 2011-12-30T11:09:49 it isnt irrotational 2011-12-30T11:10:11 *** NightExcessive has left #aichallenge 2011-12-30T11:10:17 lol mcstar 2011-12-30T11:10:43 a lot of people didnt write his bot in the language he best knows 2011-12-30T11:10:50 this was a learning experience for many people 2011-12-30T11:10:54 Or I can make a more rude quote: 2011-12-30T11:11:03 mcstar: good point 2011-12-30T11:11:31 Monkey sees, monkey does. ŠHouse 2011-12-30T11:11:44 lol, (c) House :P 2011-12-30T11:11:55 *** Guest27956 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-12-30T11:11:59 I'm pretty sure that 2011-12-30T11:12:04 *thats not copyrighted 2011-12-30T11:12:16 *** Guest27956 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T11:12:50 house? like the music trend? 2011-12-30T11:13:14 *** kire has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T11:13:47 Gregory House from House M.D., do not pretend you don't know this movie 2011-12-30T11:14:20 im sure i dont 2011-12-30T11:14:23 mcstar: If you'll still be interested in Haskell, I've chacker source code. 2011-12-30T11:14:37 UncleVasya: it is a series 2011-12-30T11:14:43 *I've got checkers 2011-12-30T11:14:57 did you write it? 2011-12-30T11:15:45 It is an educational sample from russian Practical Functional Programming magazine. 2011-12-30T11:16:40 what can i say? 2011-12-30T11:16:52 *** Guest27956 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-12-30T11:16:54 And it is not the one final source code, but a bunch of them from the very beginning to the final version. 2011-12-30T11:16:55 i decided today to focus on c++ for the time being 2011-12-30T11:17:06 Some kind of version history. 2011-12-30T11:17:12 *** Guest27956 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T11:17:15 and put the functional stuff onthe side untill i land a job 2011-12-30T11:17:35 that's why I said 'you'll' 2011-12-30T11:18:05 i can bookmark it 2011-12-30T11:18:27 good luck in finding a good job. 2011-12-30T11:18:33 thanks 2011-12-30T11:18:37 ^^this 2011-12-30T11:18:49 Ping me when you'll be ready, I'll upload it and give you a link. 2011-12-30T11:19:03 then you can get back to important things like learning Haskell ;) 2011-12-30T11:19:05 hope ill remember 2011-12-30T11:19:25 I will not let you forget ;) 2011-12-30T11:19:38 *** JorgeB has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T11:21:49 *** Guest27956 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-12-30T11:22:13 *** Guest27956 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T11:25:10 *** Paradoxial has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T11:26:46 *** Guest27956 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-12-30T11:27:09 *** Guest27956 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T11:31:43 *** Guest27956 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-12-30T11:32:06 *** Guest27956 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T11:34:43 english quoting style makes me mad 2011-12-30T11:34:56 "this," 2011-12-30T11:35:09 why do they put the " past the comma? 2011-12-30T11:35:38 they don't always 2011-12-30T11:35:54 that is stupid to be honest, I've never seen it done though 2011-12-30T11:36:05 ive seen hardly seen it done any other way 2011-12-30T11:36:09 -seen 2011-12-30T11:36:18 huh, weird 2011-12-30T11:36:33 and i can say with confidence that ive seen it a LOT 2011-12-30T11:36:37 I concur, it makes me mad 2011-12-30T11:36:40 *** Guest27956 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-12-30T11:37:01 *** Guest27956 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T11:37:19 *** g0llum has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T11:37:30 Because when you do it like that it's not an exact quote 2011-12-30T11:38:43 *** Migi32 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T11:41:37 *** Guest27956 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-12-30T11:50:02 is there much point in trying to predict opponents actions in a continuious game? 2011-12-30T11:50:26 Of course 2011-12-30T11:50:42 it would be a lot harder though.... 2011-12-30T11:53:11 the consequences of actions can still be discrete and enumerable 2011-12-30T11:53:27 and you can calculate intervals too 2011-12-30T11:54:12 pairofdice: i dont quite follow, what do you mean by exact quote? 2011-12-30T11:54:51 Exactly that 2011-12-30T11:55:43 *** TheLinker has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T11:56:09 If you say 1234 and quote it as "1234." ? 2011-12-30T11:57:58 I think there is no much outcome from this. Because you have a very limited time (both, a time for compute one turn and time for the whole game - number of turns) and no way (imho) you gonna 'understand' patterns in behavior of your opponent. 2011-12-30T11:58:56 the rule I was taught, was the punctuation stayed inside the quotes if it was part of the original quote 2011-12-30T11:59:05 And even if you figured out some of them right, still there is a chance of changing them by your opponent. 2011-12-30T11:59:28 personally I still don't like it and tend to remove it from inside the quote and then add it outside the quote of required by the context 2011-12-30T11:59:36 of -> if 2011-12-30T11:59:41 Like guys had a context-related score function for battle resolution in ants. 2011-12-30T12:00:03 janzert: i can agree with that, but a lot of times that i see that, they are not actual quotes 2011-12-30T12:00:13 let me explain 2011-12-30T12:00:42 they are trying to give emphasis to something 2011-12-30T12:01:03 or a not-quite-precise explanation 2011-12-30T12:01:15 like this example: 2011-12-30T12:01:26 in the âsolution space,â which is the place where youâre modeling that problem 2011-12-30T12:01:33 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes 2011-12-30T12:02:03 ahh, I haven't noticed punctuation handling around those 2011-12-30T12:02:38 thanks for the article i meant exactly that 2011-12-30T12:04:11 janzert: i would prefer arch simply because its more up to date than ubuntu, whats your opinion? 2011-12-30T12:04:55 there were some complaints regarding the haskell platform version in this contest for example 2011-12-30T12:05:21 ahow984_: there was a little conversation about opponent prediction in Planet Wars (past challenge) on Russian chess programming forum. The outcome of the conversation was that prediction cannot be applied succesfully in one game. And one'd better assume that opponent will always make smart moves. 2011-12-30T12:06:30 *** TheLinker has quit IRC (Quit: Bye) 2011-12-30T12:06:36 *** kire has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-30T12:06:36 mcstar: What do you think about Holy Patricks child - Slackware? 2011-12-30T12:06:38 What you can do is probe the reaction 2011-12-30T12:06:45 I think some bots did that in ants 2011-12-30T12:07:05 *** janzert has left #aichallenge 2011-12-30T12:07:55 *** janzert has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T12:08:08 mcstar: lol, janzert doesnt't even be in one room with those who propose Arch :D 2011-12-30T12:08:10 stupid irc client :? 2011-12-30T12:08:22 *doesn't even want 2011-12-30T12:09:26 anyway... the haskell platform in ants was an unfortunate situation where the ubuntu version we were using was broken and no one stepped up to provide an alternative build method before the contest started 2011-12-30T12:09:59 I would postulate that this would actually be a more frequent occurrence under a distribution like arch 2011-12-30T12:10:52 * mcstar has a whole big bag of disagreement with that postulation 2011-12-30T12:10:53 also I'd rather not use a distribution that uses source packages primarily as we do a lot of reinstalling and install time is actually a bit important 2011-12-30T12:11:11 what? 2011-12-30T12:11:22 Also in particular I don't like arch's handling of python versions ;) 2011-12-30T12:13:02 anyway, i dont get that "that uses source packages primarily" part 2011-12-30T12:13:19 i only installed from sources when i wanted for some odd reason 2011-12-30T12:13:40 and abs is very handy and easy to use 2011-12-30T12:14:18 ahh, I may misunderstand that then. I thought one of the advocates of arch main points was that packages were built from source at install for the specific environment being installed into 2011-12-30T12:14:28 no 2011-12-30T12:14:40 its binary for i686 and x86_64 2011-12-30T12:14:45 and theres a ppc fork 2011-12-30T12:15:25 Gentoo is great fun, learned a lot about linux installing that... 2011-12-30T12:15:25 ok, so one less strike against ;) 2011-12-30T12:16:21 one of its strong point is the package manager and package hierarch 2011-12-30T12:16:23 y 2011-12-30T12:16:27 it is very sane and usable 2011-12-30T12:16:48 you should at least give it a testdrive 2011-12-30T12:17:31 your 3rd point is valid, but its also personal 2011-12-30T12:18:07 as i am not familiar with other distros any longer, could you tell me how is it done? 2011-12-30T12:18:12 and why should I think they don't make the same bad decisions for every other package ;) 2011-12-30T12:18:21 python is python2.7 and python3 is ... 2011-12-30T12:18:23 ? 2011-12-30T12:18:26 python3 2011-12-30T12:18:34 python is supposed to be latest python2 2011-12-30T12:18:35 ofc 2011-12-30T12:18:43 i just didnt want to repeat python3 2011-12-30T12:18:47 but now i did 2011-12-30T12:19:19 http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/ 2011-12-30T12:19:27 maybe the packagers thought that the transition will be faster to python3 than it is 2011-12-30T12:19:59 python should refer to the same target as python2 but may refer to python3 on some bleeding edge distributions 2011-12-30T12:20:17 so its a guide line 2011-12-30T12:20:28 admittedly that pep was mostly a reaction to get official preference out after arch changed 2011-12-30T12:20:43 ok, all im saying, is that you try to give arch a try if you have time 2011-12-30T12:20:53 ok :) 2011-12-30T12:24:33 *** olexs1 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T12:24:47 procédure qui distribue aléatoirement les ŕ chaque joueurs <--- what language is that? 2011-12-30T12:24:56 french 2011-12-30T12:25:33 can you translate it to English please? 2011-12-30T12:25:40 No, but google can 2011-12-30T12:25:51 ok 2011-12-30T12:26:05 procedure that randomly distributes to each player 2011-12-30T12:26:21 *** philalethe has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T12:26:25 wow, google so nice in translating? 2011-12-30T12:26:40 UncleVasya: i thought you were using it already 2011-12-30T12:27:13 * UncleVasya is trying to learn from source code with french comments and variable names 2011-12-30T12:27:53 UncleVasya: you can make google translate whole websites 2011-12-30T12:28:39 mcstar: no, from past years I remember that electronical translators to Russian were very bad. So I do not use them. 2011-12-30T12:28:47 Only vocabulary. 2011-12-30T12:28:59 sometimes :) But more often creating words from scratch :D 2011-12-30T12:29:04 french->english and oyu can read that 2011-12-30T12:29:25 English to french is pretty good 2011-12-30T12:29:34 ....and the other way around 2011-12-30T12:29:37 Ah, yeah. Sometimes google translates websites for me but I don't like that. This is ugly :) 2011-12-30T12:29:54 *** philalethe has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2011-12-30T12:29:59 ok, thanks 2011-12-30T12:48:39 *** olexs1 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2011-12-30T12:54:21 *** Guest27956 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T12:56:47 *** nha has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T12:59:01 *** Guest27956 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-12-30T13:24:30 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2011-12-30T13:30:13 *** smjms has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T13:37:46 *** smjms has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2011-12-30T13:38:01 *** smjms has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T14:01:07 :/ I wish there were other people doing this icpc challenge 2011-12-30T14:01:17 does anyone want to do it with me as a team> 2011-12-30T14:01:19 *? 2011-12-30T14:02:10 *** Guest27956 has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T14:05:03 I thought the icpc was over? website shows the winner for 2011 but no info for 2012 2011-12-30T14:06:10 oh? 2011-12-30T14:06:15 where do you see that? 2011-12-30T14:06:31 *** Guest27956 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2011-12-30T14:07:04 ah, cseyu01 you were the guy who I was looking for earlier 2011-12-30T14:07:06 http://cm.baylor.edu/challenge/ 2011-12-30T14:07:12 I found details :) 2011-12-30T14:07:49 *** Shubit has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-30T14:08:26 *** suid has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2011-12-30T14:08:40 *** raemde has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2011-12-30T14:08:41 *** Frib has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2011-12-30T14:08:41 *** Israfel has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2011-12-30T14:08:41 *** tobiassjosten has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2011-12-30T14:08:41 *** Ttech has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2011-12-30T14:08:41 *** kurti_ has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2011-12-30T14:08:41 *** Bluedgis_ has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2011-12-30T14:08:50 2012 challenge is starting on 15 jan 2011-12-30T14:08:50 *** foReei has joined #aichallenge 2011-12-30T14:08:51 http://queue.acm.org/icpc/ <- this year's 2011-12-30T14:08:51 Hosted by different people in a different manner 2011-12-30T14:09:08 *** foRei has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-30T14:09:43 *** cseyu01 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2011-12-30T14:10:22 pairofdice: was that at my link? 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