2012-02-11T00:00:57 yeah i'm not leaving that there 2012-02-11T00:01:55 amstan: you about? 2012-02-11T00:03:49 *** Fandekasp has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-02-11T00:10:48 *** Fandekasp has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T00:34:59 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2012-02-11T00:42:39 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2012-02-11T00:46:19 *** antimatroidl has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T00:55:04 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T01:10:54 *** dvladim has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T01:21:59 *** dvladim has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2012-02-11T01:24:01 *** smjms has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2012-02-11T02:03:08 *** donpdonp_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T02:03:23 any news on the next challenge? 2012-02-11T02:06:38 *** Palmik has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T02:11:05 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2012-02-11T02:24:34 *** choas has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T02:29:22 *** 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dvladim_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T08:37:01 *** kilae has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2012-02-11T08:42:45 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2012-02-11T08:43:42 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T08:45:16 antimatroid, antimatroidl: Hi. And you already guessed, right? :) here it is: http://forums.aichallenge.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2302 2012-02-11T08:45:47 antimatroid, antimatroidl: and here: http://forums.aichallenge.org/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2301 2012-02-11T08:55:25 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T08:58:43 *** Garf has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T08:59:16 *** Redgis has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-02-11T09:01:35 *** dvladim_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-02-11T09:02:08 *** kire has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-02-11T09:06:32 Cialis can supporter you fulfil an erection when fleshly stimulation takes place. 2012-02-11T09:06:54 A prolonged erection can evil the penis. 2012-02-11T09:06:59 XDXDXD 2012-02-11T09:07:10 im gonna write this down 2012-02-11T09:13:20 oh god lol, spam bots again? 2012-02-11T09:14:13 Yeah... extra storage, just what I needed for all the old bot versions 2012-02-11T09:16:25 i dont care for storage right now, but that cialis sounds like exactly what i need... 2012-02-11T09:17:21 UncleVasya: you probaby wont reach antimatroid though 2012-02-11T09:18:37 mleise: that is about real storage place btw 2012-02-11T09:19:03 I think he'll see my messages later. Or do I need to use @later tell ? 2012-02-11T09:19:17 it wont hurt 2012-02-11T09:36:54 *** ikaros has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat) 2012-02-11T09:38:51 *** smjms has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T09:39:29 *** NoxiaZ^ has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T09:48:44 mcstar: I know it is about real storage space. It's all totally unrelated advertisement. 2012-02-11T09:50:00 mleise: i thought you might have been joking: storing your old bots in a warehouse... 2012-02-11T09:52:17 yes, that was my intention 2012-02-11T09:53:17 I tried to make the advertisment look like it has some relation to the ai-contest. ha. ha. 2012-02-11T10:04:08 Gold! 2012-02-11T10:13:52 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T10:13:53 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2012-02-11T10:24:20 amstan, hi. I came again with a spam notification: 2012-02-11T10:24:41 http://forums.aichallenge.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2302 2012-02-11T10:24:44 http://forums.aichallenge.org/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2301 2012-02-11T10:27:38 #1 is deleted 2012-02-11T10:27:57 and #2 2012-02-11T10:29:38 hmm, mleise is a moderator too... So I found a new person to annoy! :D 2012-02-11T10:29:45 i made a screenshot luckily, for rainy days 2012-02-11T10:30:32 rofl, you'll find new material on the net, I'm sure 2012-02-11T10:30:58 I can send you some of my spam mails 2012-02-11T10:32:08 *** dvladim_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T10:32:40 mleise: that reminds me i almost never look into my spam folder, probably i should 2012-02-11T10:44:29 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-02-11T10:54:19 *** antimatroidl has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-02-11T11:04:20 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-02-11T11:07:19 *** ChanServ has quit IRC (shutting down) 2012-02-11T11:10:57 *** ChanServ has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T11:10:57 *** adams.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ 2012-02-11T11:56:43 *** dvladim_ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2012-02-11T12:03:39 *** lhb__ has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T12:06:48 *** raemde_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-02-11T12:10:20 *** ikaros has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T12:19:18 mcstar: never... look into the spam folder.... 2012-02-11T12:19:21 it makes you blind 2012-02-11T12:19:55 doesnt matter, i just exercised touch typing 2012-02-11T12:37:41 *** kire has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T12:39:31 *** Harpyon has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T12:48:29 what was the spam? 2012-02-11T12:48:34 i saw a bad one earlier today 2012-02-11T12:51:10 antimatroid: A prolonged erection can evil the penis. 2012-02-11T12:57:12 *** antimatroidl has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T12:57:42 what happened to the channel logs? 2012-02-11T12:58:02 antimatroidl: yeah, i broke it, and didn't get a chance to fix it 2012-02-11T12:58:07 antimatroidl: you can still access them 2012-02-11T12:58:16 amstan: there was some preteen spam before 2012-02-11T12:58:22 http://contestbot.aichallenge.org/channellogs/%23aichallenge/ 2012-02-11T12:58:31 ? 2012-02-11T13:08:47 amstan: preteen? 2012-02-11T13:09:00 as in illegal p0rn? 2012-02-11T13:09:11 idk, ask antimatroidl 2012-02-11T13:09:24 antimatroid: ? 2012-02-11T13:09:30 antimatroidl: ? 2012-02-11T13:10:57 *** kire has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2012-02-11T13:12:29 amstan: so what kind of game do you want for the next round? 2012-02-11T13:12:42 we need a framework first 2012-02-11T13:13:51 ? what was wrong with the last one? 2012-02-11T13:13:56 seem to work fine? no? 2012-02-11T13:14:03 not really 2012-02-11T13:14:15 ic... what was the problem? 2012-02-11T13:14:22 problems 2012-02-11T13:14:24 lots of them 2012-02-11T13:14:27 lol 2012-02-11T13:14:44 we were due for another framework before ants 2012-02-11T13:14:59 isn't that just the way things this sort of size, with the resources you have, sort of go anyway... 2012-02-11T13:15:21 *** donpdonp has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2012-02-11T13:15:23 we barely had enough cpu resources 2012-02-11T13:15:35 its not like you can sink a million into some internal infrastructure project 2012-02-11T13:15:50 yea.. that is a problem... i have a suggestion... 2012-02-11T13:16:31 at least for the non compete games... the framework could permit a seti online type thing where people can donate time on there machines... 2012-02-11T13:16:41 *** donpdonp has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T13:16:45 their machines 2012-02-11T13:17:11 cheating, supporting N+1 languages etc make it hard however 2012-02-11T13:17:13 that's difficult to set up 2012-02-11T13:17:42 yea 2012-02-11T13:17:50 I don't even see how it could work 2012-02-11T13:18:23 so a live DVD of the required linux may work better... i know a few of us could provide some cpu power... uni teams should be able to 2012-02-11T13:18:43 still hit and miss on how many would come to the party 2012-02-11T13:19:35 but we just can't assume we will get money to burn so i can't really see a better way... and sponsorship would require some serious investment of time from someone... 2012-02-11T13:19:39 that's really hard to make secure 2012-02-11T13:19:42 and it's not really possible 2012-02-11T13:19:55 we have the money 2012-02-11T13:19:58 hence the idea that it would not be for final ranks etc 2012-02-11T13:20:01 we just don't have good money handling abilities 2012-02-11T13:20:02 really? 2012-02-11T13:20:05 we're working on fixing that 2012-02-11T13:20:10 ahhh 2012-02-11T13:20:28 hence the time investment from someone... 2012-02-11T13:20:30 people were throwing money at us last time, but we couldn't accept donations because we don't really have a nonprofit setup 2012-02-11T13:20:32 not easy.... 2012-02-11T13:20:42 yes 2012-02-11T13:20:52 and it's a pretty full time job to do anything for this contest 2012-02-11T13:20:56 can be tricky to get non profit status --at least in the US 2012-02-11T13:21:01 yea 2012-02-11T13:22:02 and picking the game is the last thing to do 2012-02-11T13:22:20 we don't want a bunch of people being familiar with the game months before it's started 2012-02-11T13:22:22 well for many its the only thing they are going to do... 2012-02-11T13:22:31 meh 2012-02-11T13:22:46 that kind of "they had a head start" is so totally lame 2012-02-11T13:23:02 well 2012-02-11T13:23:04 we have a choice 2012-02-11T13:23:11 we going to penalize older folk who have had longer to get better at programming? 2012-02-11T13:23:15 *** valydo has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T13:23:21 i don't see a reason why we should pick one that angers people 2012-02-11T13:23:52 did it stop the angryies from being angry? nope! 2012-02-11T13:23:58 anyway... 2012-02-11T13:24:03 for the frame work... 2012-02-11T13:24:15 still python at that sort of thing? 2012-02-11T13:24:24 sure, why not? 2012-02-11T13:24:47 just wondering... and more like a set of scripts that are just run... 2012-02-11T13:24:59 also i am not so good at python :P 2012-02-11T13:25:13 i didn't explore, but there were pictures on the page of little girls and the words pre teen 2012-02-11T13:25:16 i deleted that shit pronto 2012-02-11T13:25:26 *** dvladim_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T13:25:30 i guess what is wrong with the current framework? 2012-02-11T13:25:36 antimatroidl: in this channel? 2012-02-11T13:25:43 amstan: on the forums! 2012-02-11T13:25:47 antimatroidl: oh.. 2012-02-11T13:26:04 delt0r_: it's in php and it's falling apart 2012-02-11T13:26:10 i don't know about that donating time idea, just use tcp if we aren't playing on servers 2012-02-11T13:26:15 or more to the point... if i was to help... where would i start 2012-02-11T13:26:19 making it hard to do any changes on it 2012-02-11T13:26:37 to get anywhere we need a group of people to work on zeta i think 2012-02-11T13:26:42 delt0r_: i don't think anyone's working on stuff for now 2012-02-11T13:26:45 i dunno how helpful i'll be 2012-02-11T13:26:48 php starts off falling apart... even hello world is falling apart 2012-02-11T13:26:51 delt0r_: i think mcleopold looked into some trueskill 2012-02-11T13:27:03 antimatroidl: yeah 2012-02-11T13:27:12 zeta? 2012-02-11T13:28:14 delt0r_: new framework 2012-02-11T13:28:21 right 2012-02-11T13:28:24 hey guys, sorry to interrupt. Some friends and I would like to mirror the aichallenge website for a contest between us. Do you think this is feasible using just one machine and no Amazon cloud stuff, using the github repo? 2012-02-11T13:28:37 valydo: sure 2012-02-11T13:28:46 how well does python do "servlets" or web pages? 2012-02-11T13:28:57 cool, thanks :) 2012-02-11T13:29:01 delt0r_: see django 2012-02-11T13:29:02 valydo: you could always just download the tcp server and host that? 2012-02-11T13:29:08 valydo: or that ^ 2012-02-11T13:29:19 valydo: it's easier to do tcp 2012-02-11T13:29:26 i managed to get it running on my computer a while ago and i have almost no idea with that stuff 2012-02-11T13:29:30 but that doesn't have the nice matching 2012-02-11T13:29:38 how many of you are there? :P 2012-02-11T13:29:39 afaik 2012-02-11T13:29:50 we hope to get 20 2012-02-11T13:30:26 you could look at how the matching is done and try changing it, but that might not be easier anymore :P 2012-02-11T13:30:54 valydo: afaik the tcp thing still uses trueskill 2012-02-11T13:31:08 valydo: the only annoying thing is that you have to stay connected with your bot instance to play 2012-02-11T13:31:22 valydo: but feel free to try the main site too 2012-02-11T13:31:35 valydo: there's some guides on the forums about them 2012-02-11T13:32:00 "them" meaning? 2012-02-11T13:32:18 the site 2012-02-11T13:32:18 idk why i said them 2012-02-11T13:32:36 cool 2012-02-11T13:32:46 we'll try to use the main site 2012-02-11T13:32:56 thanks for the info 2012-02-11T13:34:26 *** valydo has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2012-02-11T13:36:03 jmcarthur: what do you use for an editor for haskell? kate has failed me 2012-02-11T13:36:43 obviously emacs 2012-02-11T13:36:58 indents very nicely 2012-02-11T13:37:36 there is leksah for a full haskell ide written in haskell 2012-02-11T13:37:51 well.. i would like to continue using kate 2012-02-11T13:38:02 but like.. this is a showstopper 2012-02-11T13:38:23 you know how you're supposed to align the next line under the if 2012-02-11T13:38:33 kate proceeded to use a bunch of tabs to do that 2012-02-11T13:38:36 what is a showstopper? 2012-02-11T13:38:46 like.. i don't have anything against tabs 2012-02-11T13:38:51 i like using tabs for indenting 2012-02-11T13:38:54 but this is alignment 2012-02-11T13:39:01 haskell prefers spaces 2012-02-11T13:39:01 you should never use tabs in that situation 2012-02-11T13:39:06 and it makes sense 2012-02-11T13:39:15 i use emacs 2012-02-11T13:39:50 kate doesn't have a setting for tabs vs. spaces? 2012-02-11T13:39:55 it does 2012-02-11T13:40:14 but when i pick tabs, i don't want it to use tabs everywhere, it's always tabs for indenting and spaces for aligning 2012-02-11T13:40:37 amstan: when you use emacs' tab, it cycles through the possible logical indentation levels 2012-02-11T13:40:42 it is very handy 2012-02-11T13:40:53 and uses only spaces 2012-02-11T13:41:01 i don't like using only spaces 2012-02-11T13:41:15 why not? in haskell? 2012-02-11T13:41:34 do you have any kind of indentation? 2012-02-11T13:41:39 with spaces, formatting stays the same, no matter what editor you use 2012-02-11T13:41:45 a tab-width can vary 2012-02-11T13:41:52 yes, as it should be 2012-02-11T13:41:55 so you can adjust you code 2012-02-11T13:42:12 but a written piece of haskell should not depend on the tab-width setting 2012-02-11T13:42:43 *** kilae has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T13:42:48 sooner or later you gonna leave kate/kwrite behind 2012-02-11T13:42:52 mcstar: see http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/p1j1c/tabs_vs_spaces_vs_both/c3lrzu1 2012-02-11T13:42:55 why not start with emacs now? 2012-02-11T13:42:55 *** Harpyon has quit IRC (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 2012-02-11T13:42:58 that's how expect my code formatted 2012-02-11T13:44:45 i guess i should move to vim and configure it to my liking 2012-02-11T13:45:48 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T13:46:21 amstan: http://imgur.com/d135r 2012-02-11T13:46:36 mcstar: ? 2012-02-11T13:46:55 the code from reddit in my emacs 2012-02-11T13:48:47 mcstar: can you make it display the tabs? 2012-02-11T13:48:58 there are no tabs 2012-02-11T13:49:05 ... 2012-02-11T13:49:09 that's not what i want 2012-02-11T13:49:29 i dont understand why you want tabs in your code, sorry 2012-02-11T13:50:09 because that's what tabs are designed to do, intend stuff 2012-02-11T13:50:18 indent 2012-02-11T13:50:31 tabs were supposed to save space 2012-02-11T13:50:34 literally 2012-02-11T13:51:06 anyway, when you edit in emacs, you are not supposed to delete whitespace 2012-02-11T13:51:14 ? 2012-02-11T13:51:15 so it doest matter if its space or tab 2012-02-11T13:51:28 *** antimatroidl has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-02-11T13:51:32 so how do you end a block in python then? 2012-02-11T13:51:40 you're inside an if 2012-02-11T13:51:42 you press enter 2012-02-11T13:51:48 you end up on the next line with same indent level 2012-02-11T13:51:51 so.. still inside the if 2012-02-11T13:51:54 how do you leave the if? 2012-02-11T13:52:04 no, you end of on the beginning of the line 2012-02-11T13:52:11 probably, i dont edit much python code 2012-02-11T13:52:13 oh god 2012-02-11T13:52:16 that's ew 2012-02-11T13:52:26 but a tab brings you about the next indentation level 2012-02-11T13:52:36 just like slime/common lisp mode 2012-02-11T13:52:47 you get used to it in a minute 2012-02-11T13:53:14 amstan: a tab indents the line 2012-02-11T13:53:23 it doesnt insert any character inside a line 2012-02-11T13:53:40 so you can indent a line standing on the end of it too 2012-02-11T13:53:46 just by pressing tab 2012-02-11T13:54:05 in recent editors it is called "align" 2012-02-11T13:55:02 amstan: hah, its a joke what kate doest to that code 2012-02-11T13:55:16 mcstar: ? 2012-02-11T13:55:27 you could go to spaces mode, and it'll be to your liking 2012-02-11T13:55:33 no 2012-02-11T13:55:34 but i use tabs, and it breaks 2012-02-11T13:55:47 you should try emacs, and be amazed how good it is 2012-02-11T13:55:56 :D 2012-02-11T13:56:00 *** Cyndre_ has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2012-02-11T13:56:01 i'm more partial to vim 2012-02-11T13:56:04 i think i'll try that 2012-02-11T13:57:36 jmcarthur: can you explain amstan why emacs's tab concept better? (indent anywhere in the line) 2012-02-11T13:57:39 is* 2012-02-11T14:00:44 *** kire has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T14:07:29 *** Cyndre has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T14:14:07 amstan: so what are you plannig to do with haskell? 2012-02-11T14:14:13 learn it 2012-02-11T14:14:24 haha 2012-02-11T14:14:36 i thought you needed it i nschool or something 2012-02-11T14:15:06 it is quite an experience, ill spend some time on it too, when ill have it 2012-02-11T14:25:57 *** Redgis has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T14:52:12 *** Redgis has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-02-11T14:52:39 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2012-02-11T14:53:37 *** Chris_0076 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2012-02-11T14:55:26 *** Redgis has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T14:56:28 *** chris_0076 has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T15:06:15 sorry i missed that whole conversation. reading back over it now 2012-02-11T15:06:44 jmcarthur: tldr: i switched to vim so i can get the indentation stuff going properly 2012-02-11T15:06:52 jmcarthur: and when i get comfortable i'll learn haskell 2012-02-11T15:07:01 haskell is fun 2012-02-11T15:07:29 more like writing math problems than programming 2012-02-11T15:08:00 chris_0076: you should do you fractals in haskell instead of messing around with python+multiprocessing 2012-02-11T15:08:04 that code was yucky 2012-02-11T15:08:23 the emacs haskell-mode's tab stuff is nice because it just toggles among whatever valid indentations there are (each with its own meaning in haskell, of course). you don't really have to find the correct location yourself 2012-02-11T15:08:40 well, you do, but emacs guides you to it 2012-02-11T15:09:01 yeah, but i really want to use tabs for indentation and spaces for alignment 2012-02-11T15:09:15 in haskell at least i highly recommend against that 2012-02-11T15:09:30 tabs are statically interpreted as 8 spaces anyway 2012-02-11T15:09:35 (as they are supposed to be!) 2012-02-11T15:09:40 yeah, so there shouldn't be any issue 2012-02-11T15:10:19 the difference between indentation and alignment is kind of fuzzy in haskell 2012-02-11T15:10:24 moreso than in python 2012-02-11T15:10:52 consider a do block where the first line is on the same line as the "do" 2012-02-11T15:11:46 jmcarthur: i got as far as the if statment in the tutorial, and then i got really annoyed at my editor 2012-02-11T15:12:02 so.. not sure what do is 2012-02-11T15:12:13 a different example then 2012-02-11T15:12:29 i'll use hpaste for this, so hold on a sec 2012-02-11T15:12:42 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T15:13:33 consider this: http://hpaste.org/new 2012-02-11T15:13:55 the a b and c must be aligned 2012-02-11T15:14:05 regardless of the indentation level of the let 2012-02-11T15:14:36 the let could also be a part of a larger expression with its own alignment requirements 2012-02-11T15:15:01 the discipline of distinguishing tabs and spaces for such stuff becomes very tedious 2012-02-11T15:15:35 and you basically *have* to set your editor such that a tab is displayed as 8 spaces, since it's meaningful 2012-02-11T15:16:21 it's possible that there are ways around it, but that's even more trouble 2012-02-11T15:19:47 jmcarthur: your paste is empty 2012-02-11T15:21:39 i just want to add, that any new indentation (even 1 space) opens a new block, and tab is too rigid, emacs aligns better, to syntactic elements, wo using tabs 2012-02-11T15:22:24 (i dont think vim supports that kind of in-line indentation though, which is very nice) 2012-02-11T15:23:07 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T15:30:02 oh, i forgot to mention, that it inserts guards for you automatically 2012-02-11T15:33:39 jmcarthur: you sent a new page 2012-02-11T15:38:54 *** iglo has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-02-11T15:40:23 *** prashanth_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T15:42:26 *** prashanth_ has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2012-02-11T15:48:05 ha woops 2012-02-11T15:48:24 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2012-02-11T15:48:29 i must have thought i submitted it and not actually done it 2012-02-11T15:48:54 oh well, you will learn it soon enough 2012-02-11T15:53:24 *** dvladim_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-02-11T16:08:00 Mmmm mmm! Particle filters! 2012-02-11T16:33:07 *** dici has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-02-11T16:33:35 *** dici has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T16:43:20 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-02-11T16:55:35 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-02-11T16:55:52 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T17:43:11 *** antimatroidl has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-11T17:44:23 *** chris_0076 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2012-02-11T17:51:51 *** Chris_0076