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And Pascal uses and and or instead of && and || 2012-02-17T12:16:51 *** raemde has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T12:17:12 <|UncleVasya|> mleise: no, this is not the reason. 2012-02-17T12:17:41 Are you sure? Then it is because Pascal is teached at schools? 2012-02-17T12:18:13 It is MY raison d'être! 2012-02-17T12:18:30 taught 2012-02-17T12:18:33 I am jealous at the Americans, they can type = without holding shift :) 2012-02-17T12:18:44 i can type = without shit 2012-02-17T12:18:45 = 2012-02-17T12:18:48 shit, shift :P 2012-02-17T12:18:52 antimatroidl: teached is new 2012-02-17T12:19:31 teached_t Teach = new teached(wtfroflmao) 2012-02-17T12:19:35 ; 2012-02-17T12:19:41 <|UncleVasya|> Yes, I'm sure. The real reason - our education system sux. Except few big cities where really good schools and universities. 2012-02-17T12:19:57 <|UncleVasya|> *educational 2012-02-17T12:20:07 mleise: i switched to us couplel of weeks ago, my life is 110% better since 2012-02-17T12:20:47 not sure what i technically use 2012-02-17T12:20:48 lol 2012-02-17T12:20:52 is there an au one? 2012-02-17T12:20:55 there is for spelling 2012-02-17T12:21:16 antimatroidl: i thought you were the australian expert despite your tassinian locaiton 2012-02-17T12:21:27 grrrrr :P 2012-02-17T12:22:14 <|UncleVasya|> Historicaly happened (from early 90-s) that we're learning Turbo Pascal 7.0 2012-02-17T12:23:12 mleise: btw, i found more readable to use 'and' 'or' and such in c++ too 2012-02-17T12:23:14 <|UncleVasya|> It has no use but there is no any work in moving to the new technologies in education. 2012-02-17T12:23:16 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T12:23:30 mcstar: We currently discuss that in the D news group 2012-02-17T12:23:44 i take it, D doesnt have these? 2012-02-17T12:24:24 |UncleVasya|: when I was at school in the 90s we had computers with Turbo Pascal and no hard disk in one room. 2012-02-17T12:24:51 booted from a 5.25 floppy 2012-02-17T12:24:52 the lesson was over when they finished booting and loading TP from floppy disks 2012-02-17T12:25:24 mcstar: no, D doesn't have words for operators except for 'in'. 2012-02-17T12:25:52 and some people want to introduce 'and' and 'or' and 'not', but it would mess up the language if there were alternatives 2012-02-17T12:25:52 mleise: i wondered what is |N in D 2012-02-17T12:26:00 *** GeorgeSebastian has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T12:26:07 ℕ ? 2012-02-17T12:26:10 yep 2012-02-17T12:26:14 i guess the type of int 2012-02-17T12:26:18 That's my personal alias for size_t 2012-02-17T12:26:23 ah 2012-02-17T12:26:25 nothing official, I like it 2012-02-17T12:26:30 ive always saw that in your pastes 2012-02-17T12:27:00 so its a typedef then 2012-02-17T12:27:14 I just use it to have a 32-bit or 64-bit unsigned integer depending on architecture 2012-02-17T12:27:16 yes 2012-02-17T12:27:37 not really a typedef as in 'new type' though 2012-02-17T12:27:52 spare me the (D)etails! 2012-02-17T12:28:15 XD 2012-02-17T12:28:48 i boosted my productivity yeasterday 2012-02-17T12:28:52 lol yeast 2012-02-17T12:29:06 <|UncleVasya|> Teachers of many universities are too lazy to learn something new (and moving to something new also requires making new documentation, new educational tasks collections etc). And System is too stupid to require from teachers such moving. 2012-02-17T12:29:24 such change 2012-02-17T12:29:35 |UncleVasya|: python will come to ukraine too 2012-02-17T12:29:38 my bet 2012-02-17T12:30:34 so, i brought my old crt down from the cellar 2012-02-17T12:30:53 no 2012-02-17T12:30:56 not cellar 2012-02-17T12:30:58 attic? 2012-02-17T12:31:09 yep 2012-02-17T12:31:09 <|UncleVasya|> But again, some unies have teacher that not just gaining salary but really want to teach their students. In this case students learn c++, java, python, and only sometimes Pascal (when good teacher really think it is best tool for his cource). 2012-02-17T12:32:45 <|UncleVasya|> mleise: I believe if you'll ask someone else from our countries (like GreenTea) you'll get the same answer :) 2012-02-17T12:33:09 the probablitiy of that happening is quite slim 2012-02-17T12:33:38 hm, maybe not 'literally' the same answer 2012-02-17T12:34:38 <|UncleVasya|> In other words but with the same meaning. Is ok with you? :) 2012-02-17T12:35:38 hm, ill let it pass this time 2012-02-17T12:35:56 is it ok* 2012-02-17T12:36:13 anyway, im just feeling good since a couple of days 2012-02-17T12:36:25 <|UncleVasya|> warm? 2012-02-17T12:36:27 ive got my new glasses 2012-02-17T12:36:40 it has prism lenses 2012-02-17T12:36:58 and helps my eye muscles, not to tire prematurely 2012-02-17T12:38:58 mleise: i learned pascal in romania as well 2012-02-17T12:39:02 *** amstan_ is now known as amstan 2012-02-17T12:39:07 only later i switched to C 2012-02-17T12:39:19 but everyone seemed to know and like pascal 2012-02-17T12:39:25 You are from Romania? 2012-02-17T12:39:33 yes, i was born there 2012-02-17T12:39:37 alexandru... 2012-02-17T12:40:21 amstan: my mom showed me yesterday a lot of youtube videos, small villages cut off from the world, under meters of snow 2012-02-17T12:40:47 she was soo exiceted, that she was watching romanian news reports 2012-02-17T12:40:56 lol 2012-02-17T12:40:56 excited* 2012-02-17T12:41:02 :) 2012-02-17T12:42:33 mleise: i recall, that we were taught some turbo pascal as well 2012-02-17T12:42:38 in high school 2012-02-17T12:42:51 i386 machines, network booted 2012-02-17T12:43:08 We even had Delphi in high school 2012-02-17T12:43:20 i dont think we knew there were other languages or whatever 2012-02-17T12:43:26 another high school then the one with pascal 2012-02-17T12:43:31 my ideas were pretty cloudy i think 2012-02-17T12:44:08 lol, i remember that we had to replicate the keyboard 2012-02-17T12:44:15 that burned into my memory 2012-02-17T12:44:20 My sister learned Java with a turtle library that wouldn't call System.exit and keep old instances running after the window was closed 2012-02-17T12:44:48 not a problem on a mainframe.. 2012-02-17T12:45:24 it just annoyed me like hell, that a teacher would spread such crap ware :p 2012-02-17T12:45:47 you now know better, but back then.. 2012-02-17T12:46:12 i was excited when i got hold of a lot of expired chip magazin's cds 2012-02-17T12:46:38 you see, we could get a day off from school, if we went to an Info Expo or something 2012-02-17T12:47:06 and for a little fee, we could buy a lot of these magazines 2012-02-17T12:47:11 by the dozen 2012-02-17T12:47:57 those were filled with all kinds of shareware and demos 2012-02-17T12:47:58 I remember downloading stuff at night with that loud 65k modem. 2012-02-17T12:48:10 load? 2012-02-17T12:48:10 We used to be AOL clients 2012-02-17T12:48:14 loud? 2012-02-17T12:48:30 loud, it made sounds when it connected 2012-02-17T12:48:37 sure, but not after 2012-02-17T12:48:47 e.g. you could wake your parents with it 2012-02-17T12:48:55 there were modems that gave off sounds always 2012-02-17T12:49:03 while the connection lasted 2012-02-17T12:49:31 lol, no need for the MP3 player on streaming radio, huh? 2012-02-17T12:49:51 on->or? 2012-02-17T12:50:39 today's trance music is fortunately much better than a dialing modem XD 2012-02-17T13:05:51 *** treeform has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T13:10:07 on->for! 2012-02-17T13:11:39 mcstar: di.fm 2012-02-17T13:11:42 gogo 2012-02-17T13:11:56 256k strem ftw 2012-02-17T13:12:53 rwest: my favorite was xtc radio london 2012-02-17T13:13:06 than changed name to evolved.fm 2012-02-17T13:13:12 and now its gone 2012-02-17T13:13:26 i wasnt listening to it for some time 2012-02-17T13:13:27 I been paying for di.fm since before .fm 2012-02-17T13:13:34 so many channels 2012-02-17T13:13:37 haha 2012-02-17T13:13:44 well, i dont play for it 2012-02-17T13:13:49 they have free channels 2012-02-17T13:13:52 yes 2012-02-17T13:13:53 just not 256k 2012-02-17T13:13:58 96k 2012-02-17T13:14:00 yea 2012-02-17T13:14:03 good enough for me 2012-02-17T13:14:14 I listen for 10+ hours per day 2012-02-17T13:14:19 worth it to pay for it 2012-02-17T13:14:27 if not to just support them 2012-02-17T13:14:43 you are making a fortune, so you can afford it 2012-02-17T13:14:49 XD 2012-02-17T13:15:29 rwest: i just hated that i couldnt listen to something again, that i liked 2012-02-17T13:15:38 paying you can 2012-02-17T13:15:40 so i started to download mixes instead 2012-02-17T13:15:47 oh 2012-02-17T13:15:54 pretty sure 2012-02-17T13:16:04 anyway, i found xtc always better than di 2012-02-17T13:16:07 nvm 2012-02-17T13:16:14 that feature isn't what I thought it was lol 2012-02-17T13:16:15 i listened to them for a couple of years 2012-02-17T13:16:18 back at uni 2012-02-17T13:16:40 I have never heard of them 2012-02-17T13:16:57 you'd love it 2012-02-17T13:17:07 http://www.xtcradio.co.uk/Radio.Playlist.html 2012-02-17T13:17:23 *** mviel has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-02-17T13:18:19 the 3 channels there are not my style really 2012-02-17T13:18:22 rwest: that site is totally not like them 2012-02-17T13:18:34 I see 2012-02-17T13:18:46 xtcradio.com 2012-02-17T13:18:49 evolved.fm 2012-02-17T13:18:56 these were their addresses 2012-02-17T13:19:06 ill try to find out what happened 2012-02-17T13:19:27 anyway, there is hybridized.com, you can download some great mixes from there 2012-02-17T13:19:43 http://evolvedfm.rad.io/ 2012-02-17T13:20:13 nvm 2012-02-17T13:20:15 that is old 2012-02-17T13:20:22 it links to their site that doesn't exist lol 2012-02-17T13:20:43 yep, the same one 2012-02-17T13:20:56 back to my di 2012-02-17T13:21:18 i recommend this guy, james warren http://hybridized.org/sets/?artist=18 2012-02-17T13:22:15 *** g0llum has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T13:24:02 rwest: if you could indulge me, im interested in your opinion on this mix: http://hybridized.org/sets/815 2012-02-17T13:27:41 downloading 2012-02-17T13:28:39 one huge mp3 lol 2012-02-17T13:29:05 well, it is a mix 2012-02-17T13:29:15 not a re-mix of a song 2012-02-17T13:31:21 honestly, most of it isn't my style 2012-02-17T13:32:08 hm, it took me more than an hour to listen to it 2012-02-17T13:32:47 so what is your style than? 2012-02-17T13:32:52 can i get a piece of it? 2012-02-17T13:38:49 *** antimatroidl has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-02-17T13:51:47 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6) 2012-02-17T13:52:11 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T13:54:44 *** hara has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T13:57:08 di.fm vocal trance right now heh 2012-02-17T13:57:21 mcstar: sorry was busy with work stuff 2012-02-17T13:58:18 i prefer no vocal/singing 2012-02-17T13:58:31 but every now and than some creeps in 2012-02-17T13:58:32 there is none more than 50% of the time 2012-02-17T14:00:49 *** monstaokki has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T14:01:02 *** |UncleVasya| <|UncleVasya|!kvirc@31.144.223.172> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-02-17T14:03:54 *** kilae has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0.1/20120208060813]) 2012-02-17T14:08:34 jose louis torrente 2012-02-17T14:18:24 32k AAC+ sounds surprisingly good 2012-02-17T14:19:07 when I saw a station with that bandwith i thought it was a joke, but I could listen to it (with laptop speakers at least) 2012-02-17T14:20:12 I prefer rock songs, but I don't mind some ambient music (trance, lounge) inbetween 2012-02-17T14:20:55 mleise: I listen to it more that it is background noise while coding 2012-02-17T14:21:01 drowned out the world 2012-02-17T14:22:49 *** monstaokki has left #aichallenge 2012-02-17T14:23:04 aac is lossless isnt it? 2012-02-17T14:23:37 i think ogg compresses pretty well as well 2012-02-17T14:24:08 mcstar: of couse(!) it is lossy 2012-02-17T14:24:20 aac is lossy 2012-02-17T14:24:28 yep, wiki tells me too 2012-02-17T14:24:39 why of course? 2012-02-17T14:24:47 Try flac for some small filesizes 2012-02-17T14:24:54 ever listened to music at 32k? 2012-02-17T14:25:19 even mp3 or ogg which are good lossy codecs sound like crap at that bit rate :) 2012-02-17T14:25:22 at 32k what? 2012-02-17T14:25:29 32kbit/s 2012-02-17T14:25:35 256k ftw 2012-02-17T14:26:02 mleise: it depends how much frequency you want to cram in 2012-02-17T14:26:14 and all kinds of other factors 2012-02-17T14:26:22 bit rate alone doesnt mean everything 2012-02-17T14:26:39 mcstar: *sigh* you always have to bring up counter arguments 2012-02-17T14:27:01 no... a sine wave probably sounds good at 32k :p 2012-02-17T14:27:08 by the analogy of terrorism, counter-terrorism, i prefer Counter- 2012-02-17T14:27:18 :> 2012-02-17T14:27:24 *** g0llum has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-02-17T14:27:56 *** g0llum has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T14:29:16 *** g0llum has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T14:29:49 fell in love with grammophone records since i watched 'fizzcaraldo' 2012-02-17T14:30:22 vinyl btw, there are people who say analog is better than digital 2012-02-17T14:30:26 mcstar: http://yp.shoutcast.com/sbin/tunein-station.pls?id=148297 (32k MP3) 2012-02-17T14:30:37 And those people are wrong. 2012-02-17T14:30:42 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2012-02-17T14:30:42 agreed 2012-02-17T14:30:58 its just weird, they dont see that analog has greater error 2012-02-17T14:31:35 how many times can a record be played wo noticeable damage in the music? 2012-02-17T14:32:03 Depends on the amount of small children in the household 2012-02-17T14:32:13 and dust i guess 2012-02-17T14:32:35 better upload all your music to the cloud :) 2012-02-17T14:32:44 out of childrens reach 2012-02-17T14:33:35 mcstar: I stand corrected, there are some 32k MP3 streams that sound good, and some 32k AAC+ streams that sound bad. 2012-02-17T14:33:46 hah 2012-02-17T14:34:03 listen to the same kind of music 2012-02-17T14:34:17 cause rap is bad in all bitrates 2012-02-17T14:34:30 FOXPRO 2.6 2012-02-17T14:34:39 Accoun: hey! 2012-02-17T14:34:50 Accoun: is that your comment to Pascal ? 2012-02-17T14:34:57 1C8.2 <- will kill java an own world 2012-02-17T14:35:00 Pascal in Russia? 2012-02-17T14:35:14 Accoun: i wish you had won the contest! 2012-02-17T14:35:28 Фссщгт цщт еру есз сщтеуые 2012-02-17T14:35:37 i jast want http://tcpants.com/ back on 2012-02-17T14:35:40 *** mikewintermute has quit IRC (Quit: mikewintermute) 2012-02-17T14:36:01 Accoun: if you want a tcp server that bad, pay for it 2012-02-17T14:36:03 and dont want again play with it canadians 2012-02-17T14:36:05 I don't even know who hosted it 2012-02-17T14:36:40 Are you trolling? You make high demands. 2012-02-17T14:37:36 So some Canadian (that you already look down on) is supposed to host tcpants.com and pay for it just for you? 2012-02-17T14:38:07 mleise: wtf? 2012-02-17T14:38:12 I must remember to just ignore him. 2012-02-17T14:38:21 this is killing my brains 2012-02-17T14:38:29 weird-o station 2012-02-17T14:38:41 supposed? ehat it mean? 2012-02-17T14:38:54 Accoun: do you have a spouse? 2012-02-17T14:38:56 not supposed 2012-02-17T14:39:08 it u wrong supposetes 2012-02-17T14:39:10 What are you spoused to do than? 2012-02-17T14:39:30 Accoun, just write in Russian, I'll use google translate, ok? 2012-02-17T14:39:35 haha 2012-02-17T14:40:00 ? 2012-02-17T14:40:13 no... in UTF-8 please, otherwise I can't read it 2012-02-17T14:40:23 - 2012-02-17T14:40:29 it doesnt decode you mean 2012-02-17T14:40:58 òûîè ïðîáëåìû- ìóäàê 2012-02-17T14:41:00 lol 2012-02-17T14:41:09 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2012-02-17T14:41:29 *** mcstar is now known as Account 2012-02-17T14:41:48 mleise's cyrillic showed up just fine 2012-02-17T14:41:53 áîèóä õóé îê? 2012-02-17T14:41:59 Accoun uses koi8-r encoding 2012-02-17T14:42:04 doesn't show up for me 2012-02-17T14:42:12 i used utf-8 2012-02-17T14:42:20 yep, mleise's is a-ok 2012-02-17T14:43:25 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T14:43:47 it was fun to be account 2012-02-17T14:43:50 *** Account is now known as mcstar 2012-02-17T14:44:35 That guy has a serious attitude problem, but he's funny if you don't take him serious in everything he says. 2012-02-17T14:45:13 Or maybe it is his bad English ^^ who knows. 2012-02-17T14:45:29 i just cant believe he still wants to play after 2 months the challenge is over 2012-02-17T14:46:23 haha 2012-02-17T14:46:25 no, thats not what i cant believe 2012-02-17T14:46:43 i think he is still developing his bot, and wastes time on it 2012-02-17T14:46:50 thats what surprises me 2012-02-17T14:46:54 who would his oponents be? or is it I against I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fkUccUFShs&feature=related 2012-02-17T14:47:38 i opened the link, and it came up on the second monitor 2012-02-17T14:47:42 this is sweet 2012-02-17T14:48:15 1024x768@85hz 2012-02-17T14:48:33 kind of sucks, but the + space is great 2012-02-17T14:48:35 that is a very low resolutions 2012-02-17T14:48:36 oh that is not a mail address Pidgin 2012-02-17T14:49:09 rwest: no for a crt from 2002 2012-02-17T14:49:17 t 2012-02-17T14:49:19 yes it is 2012-02-17T14:49:20 lol 2012-02-17T14:49:26 For development and gfx it is great 2012-02-17T14:49:36 otherwise it would flicker way too much 2012-02-17T14:49:41 We used two TFTs at work as well 2012-02-17T14:49:42 my crt from 1998ish was 1280xWhatever 2012-02-17T14:49:51 @60hz 2012-02-17T14:49:52 mcstar: I'm sorry Dave, err mcstar; I cannot '60hz'. 2012-02-17T14:49:58 stfu 2012-02-17T14:50:04 lol 2012-02-17T14:50:06 @ in general is troublesome here 2012-02-17T14:50:07 mleise: You have no gotten any error messages recently, so here's a random one just to let you know that we care. 2012-02-17T14:50:47 why wouldn't it be something less likely to start a line 2012-02-17T14:50:47 @I'm still looking for ways to crash you 2012-02-17T14:50:48 mleise: You have no gotten any error messages recently, so here's a random one just to let you know that we care. 2012-02-17T14:50:48 like ! 2012-02-17T14:50:59 rwest: the low res is good for 1 thing: doesnt overwhelm my brain with info 2012-02-17T14:51:13 !is used in other bots for commands 2012-02-17T14:51:22 mcstar: yea in fact, it gives annoying lil info 2012-02-17T14:51:24 like !topic over on ##c++ 2012-02-17T14:51:29 mleise: which are not here. 2012-02-17T14:52:10 rwest: it is still better when i have a lot of things open and multitask, than 1 single display 2012-02-17T14:52:29 (im going to buy a nice display when ill have the money, i promise) 2012-02-17T14:52:44 I want to have 4 2012-02-17T14:53:19 thats too much, you probably can do with less, but using a tiling wm 2012-02-17T14:53:41 Nope! 2012-02-17T14:53:47 I use 2 + laptop 2012-02-17T14:53:56 brb ping pong 2012-02-17T14:57:35 I used a LPT connected LCD that we bought during our asm course at the vocational school 2012-02-17T14:58:02 128x64 pixels if iirc 2012-02-17T15:11:31 ewww 2012-02-17T15:11:47 that sounds like driver hell 2012-02-17T15:14:12 rwest: not at all. I used to use a special Windows API call that granted my program all privileges 2012-02-17T15:14:43 So I could use a normal executable and still have I/O port access 2012-02-17T15:17:14 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T15:17:22 rwest: and the all I needed was to write out data as bytes. no fancy api could have made that better. general purpose LPT 'drivers' have the problem, that for every byte you write a context switch user/kernel had to happen. these solutions are slow as molasses and use CPU like no tomorrow 2012-02-17T15:17:32 https://github.com/drv53b6/git_if 2012-02-17T15:19:20 mleise: why cant you write to the lpt in user mode? 2012-02-17T15:19:40 some legacy windoze stuff? 2012-02-17T15:23:58 *** mceier has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2012-02-17T15:27:43 mcstar: ever since the invention of protected mode (i386) operating systems may chose to block access to the hardware 2012-02-17T15:28:06 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T15:28:15 That's a good thing all in all. It's the same on other modern OS 2012-02-17T15:29:30 It's just bad for all the quick&dirty hardware, like USB rocket launchers, b&w LCDs etc.. that don't need dedicated driver support till 2050 2012-02-17T15:32:07 i sure would want to run those in user mode, so that it wont have root access when illegitimate printers and cameras try to hack my machine 2012-02-17T15:33:56 i have a Practical Assembly book on my shelf, never read it 2012-02-17T15:34:18 i dont think i really know what interrupts are 2012-02-17T15:35:19 as time passes, i noticed im less and less interested in how, and more in the what/why 2012-02-17T15:35:47 i mean i lost interest in the low level stuff 2012-02-17T15:36:04 https://github.com/drv53b6/git_if <- use it 2012-02-17T15:36:30 couple of years ago i wanted to read The Art of Assembly book, obviously what never heppened 2012-02-17T15:36:31 a 2012-02-17T15:36:45 w->t 2012-02-17T15:37:02 @end autobiography 2012-02-17T15:37:03 mcstar: I'm sorry Dave, err mcstar; I cannot 'end'. 2012-02-17T15:37:07 stfu 2012-02-17T15:38:48 *** g0llum has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-02-17T15:41:07 lern Z90 asm it sample and give main concept 2012-02-17T15:41:14 lern Z80 asm it sample and give main concept 2012-02-17T15:43:08 mcstar: lol, actually there are usb devices that can hack your computer, but the danger is of course that a user space program messes with the graphics card without the driver or writes to memory regions occupied by other processes 2012-02-17T15:45:13 On Linux there are two gfx drivers: one for the console (during boot) and the one for the X Server. when both aren't from the same developer they may end up crashing your computer. So usually you use a plain VGA driver for the console and for example the proprietary nVidia driver for X 2012-02-17T15:45:29 that is the same as the old user space can write to hardware problem, lifted to kernel space 2012-02-17T15:45:37 *** mleise has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-02-17T15:46:32 you mean framebuffer and the X 2012-02-17T15:47:27 i heard some buzz-words: kvm, kernel mode switching 2012-02-17T15:48:08 all i know is that the terminal-X change is better with the nouveau driver 2012-02-17T15:48:48 but really, i am satisfied now, nvidia driver+twinview+hibernation works 2012-02-17T15:52:25 mcstar: be glad you don't have ati 2012-02-17T15:52:31 horrendous linux drivers 2012-02-17T15:53:34 rwest: still? 2012-02-17T15:53:47 last I checked 3 months ago 2012-02-17T15:54:10 what about the radeon? 2012-02-17T15:54:16 is it any good? 2012-02-17T15:55:31 (im not even sure if it is still called radeon) 2012-02-17T15:55:51 (i mean the opensource ati driver) 2012-02-17T15:56:04 ah, and ati is amd now isnt it? 2012-02-17T15:57:14 mcstar: yes 2012-02-17T15:57:29 and yes the radeon drivers suck 2012-02-17T15:57:40 most of the time I install them I cannot boot the machine 2012-02-17T15:57:53 rwest: do they have something like cuda? 2012-02-17T15:57:54 I have to drop to runlevel 3 and remove them 2012-02-17T15:58:02 mcstar: don't think so 2012-02-17T15:58:13 so you must use opencl? 2012-02-17T15:58:20 not you you 2012-02-17T15:58:23 i ngeneral 2012-02-17T15:58:28 no idea 2012-02-17T15:58:46 cause for that you need the official dirver fro sure 2012-02-17T15:59:15 It feels kinda weird logging into the admin panel for Obama's site 2012-02-17T15:59:36 barack==peach in hungarian 2012-02-17T15:59:44 so he has a funny name 2012-02-17T15:59:51 haha 2012-02-17T16:00:30 peachy 2012-02-17T16:06:25 *** like-a-boss has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T16:09:22 *** Palmik has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2012-02-17T16:24:51 *** X-Scale has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2012-02-17T16:28:26 *** X-Scale` has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T16:29:48 *** racko has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-02-17T16:30:18 *** racko has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T17:01:44 whoa 2012-02-17T17:01:51 from torrente 4: 2012-02-17T17:01:54 ...y en la Casablanca han puesto a un negro. 2012-02-17T17:01:56 Pero no para limpiar, no... ¡de presidente! 2012-02-17T17:02:19 black and president 2012-02-17T17:02:24 that is all I got out of that 2012-02-17T17:02:57 un momento 2012-02-17T17:03:10 and 1 moment 2012-02-17T17:04:36 this is what the hungarian subtitle tranlates to: and in the white house, there is a jungle-living, but he isnt a cleaner, he is the president! 2012-02-17T17:04:53 rofl 2012-02-17T17:05:13 even translations are racist! 2012-02-17T17:05:37 well, the spanish one says 'negro' 2012-02-17T17:05:46 the hungarian refers to a hm, monkey 2012-02-17T17:05:51 or ape 2012-02-17T17:06:06 Not at all racist then 2012-02-17T17:06:33 at least, now i know what the famous film title Casablance means 2012-02-17T17:06:37 white house 2012-02-17T17:06:40 a 2012-02-17T17:07:38 the first 3 movies were hun-dubbed, and they were mostly funny 2012-02-17T17:07:49 but this 4th one is in original audio 2012-02-17T17:08:01 i dont think i will enjoy this one much 2012-02-17T17:08:29 anyway, havent laughed this much in quite some time 2012-02-17T17:09:37 this guy is fantastic(and the actor, who can portray this slime piece of crap police man - jose louis torrente) 2012-02-17T17:10:54 there is another film i really liked i hungarian: Snatch 2012-02-17T17:10:56 in 2012-02-17T17:11:40 there are some films, when the dubbing actually improves the jokes 2012-02-17T17:11:46 although, it is rare 2012-02-17T17:12:14 stupid laptop is "installing updates" before it shuts down 2012-02-17T17:12:16 fuck windows 2012-02-17T17:12:21 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2012-02-17T17:12:21 I gotta go catch the train 2012-02-17T17:12:26 hurry 2012-02-17T17:12:36 it will just overheat in the bag 2012-02-17T17:12:40 I think that is fune 2012-02-17T17:12:41 fine 2012-02-17T17:13:24 hah, just noticed this at the end of a debug message: 2012-02-17T17:13:32 4) Examine the call stack when the prgoram breaks in the function addNewRCPNode(...) 2012-02-17T17:22:31 https://github.com/drv53b6/git_if <- use it 2012-02-17T17:25:32 *** GeorgeSebastian has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2012-02-17T17:49:55 *** mceier has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2012-02-17T18:02:55 *** hara has quit IRC () 2012-02-17T18:21:05 *** dr0b3rts has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T18:33:09 *** sancho has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T18:33:38 the example bot for c is not working, it produces a segfault 2012-02-17T18:34:38 Accoun: why? 2012-02-17T18:35:03 if you pay me well enough, I will 2012-02-17T18:36:38 anyone written a bot in c? 2012-02-17T18:37:37 many 2012-02-17T18:38:07 sancho: you need to debug your code 2012-02-17T18:39:16 yes i know, the problem is that the example bot in the c starter kit doesnt event work, so i dont event have a simple working implementation to get started 2012-02-17T18:40:23 i've written my own bot in c that only prints out "go" whenever it reads "ready" or "go", but the testbot script only gives me errors 2012-02-17T18:40:44 maybe it is full moon tonight 2012-02-17T18:40:58 well 2012-02-17T18:41:03 i dont understand all this python stuff so its hard for me to figure whats the problem 2012-02-17T18:41:15 afaik the start kit worked 2012-02-17T18:41:22 *** pairofdice has quit IRC (Quit: When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl.) 2012-02-17T18:41:29 *er 2012-02-17T18:41:47 sancho: did you git clone? 2012-02-17T18:42:05 no, i just downloaded the stuff from the website 2012-02-17T18:42:37 this? http://aichallenge.org/starter_packages/c_starter_package.zip 2012-02-17T18:42:56 yes that one 2012-02-17T18:42:59 gives me segfault 2012-02-17T18:45:45 ok here 2012-02-17T18:46:47 when does it segfault exactly? 2012-02-17T18:47:03 you say you can do "./test_bot.sh MyBot" and it works? 2012-02-17T18:47:29 it segfaults when I run the bot directly from the command line and then enter "ready" 2012-02-17T18:47:36 thats ok 2012-02-17T18:47:47 you didnt provide a lot of variables 2012-02-17T18:47:49 as input 2012-02-17T18:48:18 when i start it with the test_bot.sh script. it gives me: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/sancho/Desktop/tools/engine.py", line 93, in run_game sandbox.start(bot_cmd) File "/home/sancho/Desktop/tools/sandbox.py", line 385, in start raise SandboxError('Failed to start {0}'.format(shell_command)) SandboxError: Failed to start ['c_starter_package/MyBot'] waiting 0.25 seconds for bots to process end turn 2012-02-17T18:48:47 what??? you say it's okay to segfault?? 2012-02-17T18:48:48 use full path 2012-02-17T18:48:52 yes 2012-02-17T18:49:03 it expects a couple of lines 2012-02-17T18:49:06 like: 2012-02-17T18:49:08 row 100 2012-02-17T18:49:12 cols 200 2012-02-17T18:49:14 s 2012-02-17T18:49:36 so theres probably some unchecked memory allocation 2012-02-17T18:49:41 whatever 2012-02-17T18:51:35 ahhh, now i c, i have to type "./test_bot.sh ./MyBot" now it works... 2012-02-17T18:52:19 it is the path to the exe, so yes 2012-02-17T18:53:02 segfaults are slobby programming anyway :-) 2012-02-17T18:53:46 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T18:54:13 i dont see a problem with that 2012-02-17T18:54:23 it is a program skeleton 2012-02-17T18:54:39 maybe 2012-02-17T18:54:47 it is there for you to start somewhere, not demonstrate every aspect of a language 2012-02-17T18:54:57 (ofc, this demonstrates some of c's) 2012-02-17T18:55:36 sancho: if you prefer start from 0 2012-02-17T18:55:44 i always was against start kits anyway 2012-02-17T18:56:07 well the idea of a start kit is good in general 2012-02-17T18:56:39 because you don't have to spend so much time reading all the specs 2012-02-17T18:56:40 arent you a little late for this contest? 2012-02-17T18:57:41 hmmm im not competing, i only read the other day about this years winner and got curious thats all 2012-02-17T18:57:53 just playing around, maybe next year :-) 2012-02-17T18:58:26 have fun with it 2012-02-17T18:58:34 cheers 2012-02-17T18:59:33 *** Jak_o_Shadows has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T19:08:09 *** racko has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-02-17T19:22:40 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T19:22:40 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2012-02-17T19:25:20 http://tcpants.com/ need it 2012-02-17T19:26:23 Accoun: it's gone 2012-02-17T19:26:40 amstan hired a hitman to kill the guy hosting it 2012-02-17T19:27:01 Accoun: i did not want you to have any kind of enjoyment off it 2012-02-17T19:29:01 *** foRei has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-02-17T19:34:18 *** X-Scale` is now known as X-Scale 2012-02-17T19:38:13 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2012-02-17T19:44:16 *** antimatroidl has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T19:50:39 *** sancho has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-02-17T20:02:13 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2012-02-17T20:20:45 *** treeform has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-02-17T20:46:44 *** Cyndre has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2012-02-17T20:59:19 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T20:59:19 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2012-02-17T21:07:04 *** thestinger has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2012-02-17T21:13:43 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T22:18:39 *** TheLinker has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T22:18:50 *** Jak_o_Shadows has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-02-17T22:23:10 *** TheLinker has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-02-17T22:30:55 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-02-17T22:43:55 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T22:50:51 *** Cyndre has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T22:52:23 *** Jak_o_Shadows has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T23:17:07 *** dr0b3rts has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-02-17T23:19:58 *** Cyndre has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-02-17T23:29:38 *** dr0b3rts has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T23:44:14 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2012-02-17T23:53:04 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2012-02-17T23:53:04 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2012-02-17T23:56:04 *** Chris_0076 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)