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2012-02-21T02:28:03  <Accoun> http://213.88.39.97:2080/  <= tcp server 24*7
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2012-02-21T07:00:37  <mcstar> http://cs.calstatela.edu/wiki/index.php/Courses/CS_461/Fall_2011/AI_(ants)_Challenge
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2012-02-21T07:51:15  <mcstar> delt0r_: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21495-usb-stick-can-sequence-dna-in-seconds.html
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2012-02-21T08:21:21  <pairofdice> woo, robocar course started
2012-02-21T08:23:27  <mcstar> whats that?
2012-02-21T08:23:52  <mcstar> i subscribed to game theory but havent received any emails
2012-02-21T08:24:56  <pairofdice> http://www.udacity.com/
2012-02-21T08:25:13  <pairofdice> The Stanford ones are delayed
2012-02-21T08:26:34  <mcstar> so this udacity is something new
2012-02-21T08:27:27  <pairofdice> Yeah, Sebastian left Standord, remember?
2012-02-21T08:28:57  <mcstar> i didnt know that
2012-02-21T08:29:00  <mcstar> why?
2012-02-21T08:29:25  <mcstar> did norvig tell sebastina's wife about their relationship?
2012-02-21T08:30:01  <pairofdice> He couldn't go back to his small classroom after teaching class of tens of thousands
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2012-02-21T08:30:36  <mcstar> hm
2012-02-21T08:30:43  <mcstar> does he blog about this somewhere?
2012-02-21T08:31:17  <pairofdice> http://dld.tumblr.com/post/16346331252/breaking-sebastian-thrun-launches-udacity-com
2012-02-21T08:32:29  <pairofdice> Here's the talk by him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkneoNrfadk
2012-02-21T08:32:29  <mcstar> thx
2012-02-21T08:33:15  <mcstar> pairofdice: you took aiclass right?
2012-02-21T08:33:22  <pairofdice> Yeah
2012-02-21T08:33:27  <mcstar> how much did it require per week?
2012-02-21T08:33:30  <mcstar> much time*
2012-02-21T08:33:42  <pairofdice> Quite a bit
2012-02-21T08:34:14  <mcstar> did you have to research the topics, or were you handed the necessary material?
2012-02-21T08:34:21  <mcstar> s
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2012-02-21T08:35:17  <pairofdice> Most of it I got after watching the videos a couple more times and doing them with pen and paper until I got it right
2012-02-21T08:36:03  <pairofdice> Didn't really have to research anything
2012-02-21T08:36:31  <mcstar> lets say, al you have to do, is study for these classes
2012-02-21T08:36:37  <mcstar> how many cuold you take then?
2012-02-21T08:36:45  <mcstar> at once
2012-02-21T08:37:14  <pairofdice> 4-6
2012-02-21T08:37:46  <mcstar> ok, well, than i will seriously consider taking one
2012-02-21T08:43:24  <antimatroidl> game theory looks pretty easy
2012-02-21T08:43:51  <antimatroidl> i've signed up for machine learning (because of a1k0n's mad skills) but they keep delaying
2012-02-21T08:46:34  <mcstar> im considering theory of algorithms
2012-02-21T08:47:15  <mcstar> no, its called design and analysis of algos.
2012-02-21T08:47:44  <mcstar> and there is information theory
2012-02-21T08:47:55  <mcstar> but these sound pretty introductory too
2012-02-21T08:48:36  <pairofdice> Yeah
2012-02-21T08:49:11  <mcstar> cryptography would be the most useful probably
2012-02-21T08:49:51  <pairofdice> I signed up for the graphical models and crypto
2012-02-21T08:49:57  <mcstar> i hope it would give a greater understanding than just reading than wiki
2012-02-21T08:49:58  <pairofdice> And the udacity one
2012-02-21T08:50:09  <mcstar> -than
2012-02-21T08:50:19  <mcstar> so you are going for 4?
2012-02-21T08:50:23  <mcstar> 3
2012-02-21T08:50:26  <mcstar> my damn typos
2012-02-21T08:50:42  <pairofdice> + maybe NLP
2012-02-21T08:50:58  <mcstar> neuro linguistic programming?
2012-02-21T08:51:01  <pairofdice> Natural
2012-02-21T08:51:12  <pairofdice> Language processing
2012-02-21T08:51:25  <mcstar> :)
2012-02-21T08:53:43  <mcstar> well, i can always skip class if it proves to be too time consuming, cant i?
2012-02-21T08:53:51  <pairofdice> of course
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2012-02-21T09:06:39  <antimatroidl> mcstar: no, they're going to turn up at your house and force you to do the work ;)
2012-02-21T09:07:36  <mcstar> i have to go buy some cookies, i dont want to be rude when they come!
2012-02-21T09:09:03  <antimatroidl> now i want cookies :(
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2012-02-21T10:12:54  <antimatroidl> gross
2012-02-21T10:12:59  <antimatroidl> i think i solved a gross problem
2012-02-21T10:15:37  <mcstar> pairofdice: "of all the introductions ive received in my entire scientific career this was by far the most recent' wtf?
2012-02-21T10:16:57  <pairofdice> what?
2012-02-21T10:17:20  <mcstar> is he trying to joke?
2012-02-21T10:18:14  <mcstar> or maybe he doesnt want to say 'recent'
2012-02-21T10:18:28  <mcstar> or i mis-heared him
2012-02-21T10:18:49  <mcstar> you probably know the guy better, which is it?
2012-02-21T10:19:07  <pairofdice> at what point of the video?
2012-02-21T10:19:14  <pairofdice> The latter
2012-02-21T10:19:16  <mcstar> his first sentence
2012-02-21T10:19:27  <mcstar> right after the introduction
2012-02-21T10:19:41  <pairofdice> His english isn't always the best
2012-02-21T10:19:52  <mcstar> so what is he saying than?
2012-02-21T10:20:21  <mcstar> some people laugh when he says that, like it was a joke...
2012-02-21T10:21:24  <pairofdice> I don't know... Maybe a joke, Maybe a brainfart
2012-02-21T10:21:36  <pairofdice> Maybe a fartjoke
2012-02-21T10:22:12  <mcstar> XD
2012-02-21T10:24:00  <antimatroidl> perhaps he meant the introduction sucked :P
2012-02-21T10:26:15  <mcstar> if it was a joke, than i have to say, it was a great one
2012-02-21T10:26:38  <mcstar> reminds me of myself, i just dont think he is that kind of sarcastic man
2012-02-21T10:27:04  <mcstar> antimatroidl: what did you prove?
2012-02-21T10:28:44  <mcstar> prove? sorry, solve
2012-02-21T10:29:35  <antimatroidl> it was a proof actually
2012-02-21T10:31:30  <antimatroidl> i showed that if u_i(s_1, …, s_n) = u_{p(i)}(s_{p(1)}, …, s_{p(n)}) for all i, (s_1, …, s_n) and permutations p then u_i(s_1, …, s_n) = u_j(s_1, …, s_n) for all i, j and (s_1, …, s_n)
2012-02-21T10:32:27  <antimatroidl> hint, hit it with (jk) then (ijk) then (ij)
2012-02-21T10:32:50  <mcstar> whoa
2012-02-21T10:33:04  <mcstar> that guy cannot even read english text
2012-02-21T10:33:22  <mcstar> maybe he is dislexic
2012-02-21T10:33:38  <antimatroidl> you get like u_i(s_i, s_j, s_k) = u_i(s_i, s_k, s_j) = u_j(s_k, s_j, s_i) = u_j(s_i, s_j, s_k)
2012-02-21T10:33:40  <antimatroidl> i think that works
2012-02-21T10:33:50  <pairofdice> Fortunately he's in AI, not linguistics
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2012-02-21T10:40:58  <mcstar> antimatroidl: why cant you freely permute the strategies anyway?
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2012-02-21T10:41:29  <mcstar> wait
2012-02-21T10:41:46  <mcstar> ok
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2012-02-21T10:42:29  <mcstar> i dont understand one thing
2012-02-21T10:42:59  <mcstar> antimatroidl: this proof needs that there are the samenumber of players as strategies
2012-02-21T10:43:12  <antimatroidl> yep
2012-02-21T10:43:22  <antimatroidl> a symmetric game requires that by definition
2012-02-21T10:43:29  <mcstar> really?
2012-02-21T10:43:38  <mcstar> im shocked
2012-02-21T10:44:19  <antimatroidl> there's an incorrect definition (the if part of the above statement)
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2012-02-21T10:44:50  <antimatroidl> i'm trying to show it's somewhat surprisingly a stricter notion of von neumanns definition of symmetric games
2012-02-21T10:46:37  <antimatroidl> which is if u_i(s_1, …, s_n) = u_{p(i)}(s_{p(1)}, …, s_{p(n)}) for all i, p and (s_1, …, s_n) then u_{p(i)}(s_1, …, s_n) = u_i(s_{p(1)}, …, s_{p(n)}) for all i, p and (s_1, .., s_n)
2012-02-21T10:46:48  <antimatroidl> i think the above pretty much gives it, but i haven't worked all the way through yet
2012-02-21T10:47:42  <antimatroidl> my thesis incorrectly tries to point that out
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2012-02-21T10:48:14  <antimatroidl> my thesis is awful btw :P
2012-02-21T10:48:21  <antimatroidl> there's a lot of things i consider wrong with it now
2012-02-21T10:48:26  <mcstar> haha
2012-02-21T10:48:35  <mcstar> dont tell that to the committe
2012-02-21T10:48:45  <antimatroidl> he, my advisor wont care
2012-02-21T10:48:48  <antimatroidl> heh*
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2012-02-21T11:15:32  <mcstar> omg
2012-02-21T11:15:53  <mcstar> i just let a whole bunch of weird people into my house
2012-02-21T11:16:01  <mcstar> im frightened
2012-02-21T11:16:03  <mcstar> really
2012-02-21T11:16:19  <mcstar> pairofdice: those 'personal videos' are freightening
2012-02-21T11:16:53  <pairofdice> O_o
2012-02-21T11:17:28  <mcstar> i dont want to open the internet again
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