2012-03-12T00:08:36 *** dteichman_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-12T00:08:48 anyonw know when the next AI challenge is? 2012-03-12T00:17:51 antimatroid: i know it's not. i just enjoy thinking about these kinds of things 2012-03-12T00:29:56 *** dteichman_ has left #aichallenge 2012-03-12T00:56:13 *** yoden has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-03-12T01:11:17 *** Areks has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-12T01:25:11 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-03-12T01:33:48 *** coius__ has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-12T01:36:20 *** coeus_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-03-12T02:33:45 *** coeus_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-12T02:34:52 *** Garf has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-12T02:36:58 *** coius__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2012-03-12T02:47:06 *** Jak_o_Shadows1 has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-12T02:48:21 *** Jak_o_Shadows1 has quit IRC (Changing host) 2012-03-12T02:48:21 *** Jak_o_Shadows1 has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-12T02:48:23 *** 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2012-03-12T10:58:23 what language did you do the first question in? 2012-03-12T10:58:43 the cipher? 2012-03-12T10:58:47 python 2012-03-12T10:58:56 cause it was easy to decode the string in it 2012-03-12T10:59:02 i mean hexa to ascii 2012-03-12T10:59:13 yeah 2012-03-12T10:59:20 python3 doesnt recognixe it though 2012-03-12T11:00:18 python3 cleans up strings 2012-03-12T11:00:32 "" is str (a string of unicode codepoints) 2012-03-12T11:00:56 i mean the .decode() method 2012-03-12T11:01:06 http://docs.python.org/py3k/library/binascii.html#binascii.b2a_hex 2012-03-12T11:01:30 ok 2012-03-12T11:01:32 mcstar: .decode is a method on bytes, but the hex codec is gone because it doesn't make sense 2012-03-12T11:01:36 i dont care much to be honest :) 2012-03-12T11:02:13 thestinger: so did you see that the recursive 'remainder' function in c actually makes things fater? 2012-03-12T11:02:16 faster* 2012-03-12T11:02:29 and in pypy the loop is very fast, and the modulo slows everything down 2012-03-12T11:03:04 gcc and llvm can both do TCO 2012-03-12T11:03:43 so? 2012-03-12T11:04:17 i'd expect a modulo function to be as fast as that 2012-03-12T11:05:22 ./crypto 1.25s user 0.00s system 99% cpu 1.253 total 2012-03-12T11:05:25 ./file 1.24s user 0.00s system 99% cpu 1.245 total 2012-03-12T11:05:28 same speed 2012-03-12T11:05:33 the old one and the new one 2012-03-12T11:05:39 gave them random names :P 2012-03-12T11:06:20 whats the difference? 2012-03-12T11:06:37 crypto is the code you just pasted, file is the one from yesterday 2012-03-12T11:06:57 oh 2012-03-12T11:07:02 as you can see there are several codes in the code 2012-03-12T11:07:07 paste* 2012-03-12T11:07:14 i mean codepaths 2012-03-12T11:07:19 just need to uncomment them 2012-03-12T11:07:49 *** Areks has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2012-03-12T11:07:52 oh, weird 2012-03-12T11:11:05 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-12T11:12:21 thestinger: it is weird that your cpu is not that much faster in this optimized code than mine 2012-03-12T11:12:32 usually i'd expect a factor of 4 at least 2012-03-12T11:13:01 mcstar: I'm on my laptop atm 2012-03-12T11:13:07 hah 2012-03-12T11:13:48 TCO kicks in so there isn't actually recursion going on 2012-03-12T11:14:16 weird that it's faster though 2012-03-12T11:14:20 not sure I understand at all 2012-03-12T11:14:37 in pypy the same 'mymod' function slows it down 2012-03-12T11:14:42 like 20secs again 2012-03-12T11:15:00 mcstar: btw, ordering can matter for that 2012-03-12T11:15:24 `5 + a' vs `a + 5' 2012-03-12T11:15:40 due to how overloads work in python 2012-03-12T11:15:51 what? 2012-03-12T11:15:53 which is better? 2012-03-12T11:15:57 5 + a 2012-03-12T11:16:01 yes 2012-03-12T11:16:11 but thats pypy 2012-03-12T11:16:14 shouldnt matter 2012-03-12T11:16:19 the jit must unbox it 2012-03-12T11:16:19 well cpython will always do a lookup for a + 5 2012-03-12T11:16:35 pypy is smart, but not necessarily that smart 2012-03-12T11:16:40 i think it is 2012-03-12T11:16:45 you can change the methods at runtime, it has to figure out you aren't doing that 2012-03-12T11:16:53 so it has to run through the code at least once 2012-03-12T11:17:25 *** foRei has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-12T11:18:07 thestinger: if anything it made it a bit slower 2012-03-12T11:18:13 changing to 5+ 2012-03-12T11:18:13 why do class names have to be this long ;-/ (Constituent_ConsEmailChapterSubscription_Gateway) 2012-03-12T11:18:32 rwest: have you used Objective-C? 2012-03-12T11:18:46 thestinger: no, Apple is the devil 2012-03-12T11:19:30 when I declare a class with only 2 arguments, it should not go to a second line 2012-03-12T11:19:44 [NSNumber numberWithUnsignedInt: 0] 2012-03-12T11:19:50 be thankful you don't have to do that 2012-03-12T11:20:08 it could be worse, you ever use ZPL? 2012-03-12T11:20:18 syntax of that language makes me want to slit my wrists 2012-03-12T11:20:33 oh, that's like J? 2012-03-12T11:20:53 Never seen J, but it's an academic array language 2012-03-12T11:21:03 point free haskell is pretty hard to read too if you aren't used to it 2012-03-12T11:21:09 for parallel programming 2012-03-12T11:21:14 and it's a nightmare to read 2012-03-12T11:21:26 especially since there are almost no docs 2012-03-12T11:21:34 and I had to learn it by reading others code 2012-03-12T11:21:51 it has no form too 2012-03-12T11:21:55 so spacing is eratic 2012-03-12T11:21:57 and ugh 2012-03-12T11:22:41 however, it's pretty powerful lol 2012-03-12T11:22:49 and compiles down to C with MPI 2012-03-12T11:25:27 then why not write c with mpi? 2012-03-12T11:26:20 We did 2012-03-12T11:26:22 it was for a class 2012-03-12T11:26:25 we did it in both 2012-03-12T11:26:33 ZPL code was so much easier for a lot of things 2012-03-12T11:26:38 but learning it was a bitch 2012-03-12T11:27:16 Array languages are easy to parallelize 2012-03-12T11:29:38 *** GeorgeSebastian has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-12T11:29:38 *** GeorgeSebastian has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-12T11:38:21 why? 2012-03-12T11:38:32 everything depends on the problem 2012-03-12T11:38:45 if some problem is easy to decompose, you can do it easily in any language 2012-03-12T11:39:01 array programming languages just give you some better primitives to operate with 2012-03-12T11:39:08 (often hide them) 2012-03-12T11:39:16 i mean they just work 2012-03-12T11:39:27 the problem is with the problem at ahnd 2012-03-12T11:45:23 *** mleise1 has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-12T11:45:23 *** mleise has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-03-12T12:03:18 *** alehorst has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-12T12:04:47 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-03-12T12:05:08 *** coeus_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-12T12:05:39 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-12T12:06:51 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-12T12:08:12 *** coius__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-03-12T12:10:29 *** TheLinker has joined 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Can I still download and make my own strategies for the next competition? 2012-03-12T19:10:37 is there any server to test my strategy with other people? 2012-03-12T19:10:52 contest ended long ago 2012-03-12T19:11:00 (actually is not just one question) 2012-03-12T19:11:08 that particular contest will not be repeated again 2012-03-12T19:11:22 * IAPepito is sad :( 2012-03-12T19:11:36 you might be able to play on Accoun's server 2012-03-12T19:12:01 http://213.88.39.97:2080/ 2012-03-12T19:12:47 *** coius__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-03-12T19:13:00 mcstar: is just a python client right? 2012-03-12T19:13:23 you download the script, and you can run your bot with it 2012-03-12T19:13:28 against other connected bots 2012-03-12T19:13:40 but now there are a lot of quality bot source code available 2012-03-12T19:13:43 so you cn play locally 2012-03-12T19:15:09 mcstar: can you provide me some interesting link? 2012-03-12T19:15:53 try googling for it 2012-03-12T19:16:26 these people released their code: xathis a1k0n antimatroid codetiger 2012-03-12T19:16:37 there are more 2012-03-12T19:16:41 i just done remember 2012-03-12T19:16:46 do you play just IAChallange or is there some other interesting IA challenge? 2012-03-12T19:16:56 speedyconsoles 2012-03-12T19:17:07 (thanks for the players infos) 2012-03-12T19:17:08 benjackson 2012-03-12T19:17:21 a lot of them are on github 2012-03-12T19:17:37 (mine) 2012-03-12T19:18:19 ;) 2012-03-12T19:18:40 not mcstar but liquid-phynix 2012-03-12T19:18:45 I can't believe I just discovered this challenge now! 2012-03-12T19:18:55 a lot of people felt like that 2012-03-12T19:19:31 *** dici has quit IRC (Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )) 2012-03-12T19:20:01 do you play just IAChallange or is there some other interesting IA challenge? 2012-03-12T19:20:24 AI 2012-03-12T19:20:52 and no i dont really know about other challenges 2012-03-12T19:21:02 sorry, in my native language IA = AI 2012-03-12T19:21:43 mcstar: thanks a lot for all these informations 2012-03-12T19:21:48 np 2012-03-12T19:21:59 I will take a look on it and try making my own strategies 2012-03-12T19:22:28 now I have to leave 2012-03-12T19:22:36 Bye! 2012-03-12T19:22:38 bb 2012-03-12T19:23:25 *** IAPepito has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2012-03-12T19:24:56 *** mceier has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2012-03-12T19:56:58 *** _flag <_flag!~flag@69.165.173.172> has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-12T20:16:44 *** Garf has quit IRC (Quit: Make a new plan, Stan!) 2012-03-12T20:19:15 *** coius__ has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-12T20:20:45 *** coeus_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-03-12T20:34:23 *** foRei has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-03-12T21:12:12 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Quit: mcstar) 2012-03-12T21:15:17 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-03-12T21:28:22 *** Fandekasp has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-03-12T21:31:08 *** Fandekasp has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-12T21:33:12 *** fullerton has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-12T21:52:32 *** GeorgeH has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-12T22:19:48 *** coius__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2012-03-12T22:25:25 *** moises has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-03-12T22:25:55 *** treeform_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-03-12T22:34:01 *** coius__ has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-12T23:38:47 *** coeus_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-12T23:41:38 *** coius__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)