2012-03-19T00:01:53 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7) 2012-03-19T00:19:00 *** yoden has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-03-19T00:53:47 *** treeform_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T01:03:56 *** Areks|2 has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T01:10:46 i was just thinking today, how would you represent the graph for ghosts in pacman? 2012-03-19T01:10:55 it's a directed graph where they can't go backwards 2012-03-19T01:37:44 yes, but that is hardly an interesting topic to discuss :D 2012-03-19T01:55:06 *** X-Scale` has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2012-03-19T02:14:31 melise: i didn't say it was interesting :P 2012-03-19T02:14:39 i'm curious about how it would normally be done? 2012-03-19T02:23:26 *** iok has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T02:49:11 *** Palmik has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T02:50:50 *** Fandekasp has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T03:14:26 *** Jak_o_Shadows has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T03:22:44 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T03:49:12 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-03-19T03:57:28 *** Jak_o_Shadows has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2012-03-19T04:16:48 *** aerique has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T04:25:02 *** treeform_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-03-19T04:28:49 *** Garf has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T04:32:24 *** mviel has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T04:33:53 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T05:05:11 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T05:14:29 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T05:20:24 *** Jak_o_Shadows has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T05:23:14 *** Jak_o_Shadows1 has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T05:23:17 *** Jak_o_Shadows1 has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T05:23:18 *** Jak_o_Shadows has quit IRC (Disconnected by services) 2012-03-19T05:57:38 *** kurnevsky has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T06:22:43 Zannick: thinking about pacman problem 2012-03-19T06:22:46 game tree will be easier with pacman 2012-03-19T06:22:50 given there's only one 2012-03-19T06:27:25 well, i guess you have to model them too 2012-03-19T06:35:31 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2012-03-19T06:36:12 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T07:06:05 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T07:49:36 *** Jak_o_Shadows1 has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-03-19T09:14:05 *** archdori has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T09:18:10 *** kurnevsky has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-03-19T09:25:20 *** mleise has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-03-19T09:43:44 *** dici has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T09:45:56 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-03-19T10:13:26 *** GeorgeSebastian_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T10:13:27 *** GeorgeSebastian_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T10:21:11 *** Areks|2 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2012-03-19T10:48:45 *** guidof has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T10:49:14 *** foRei has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T10:49:25 hello 2012-03-19T10:49:58 could some1 explain to me how the stream file in the game logs folder works? 2012-03-19T10:51:58 *** GeorgeSebastian_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-03-19T10:54:01 *** rwest has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2012-03-19T11:26:12 is there anyone that can help me please? 2012-03-19T11:31:17 guidof: not really... its between comps... gets pretty dead here. You can lurk however. Otherwise the source is always there to brows 2012-03-19T11:32:21 hmm ok 2012-03-19T11:32:43 i'll try to scan the code, but I am not a python expert, so if someone could help me, it would be very nice 2012-03-19T11:39:15 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2012-03-19T11:41:16 *** dici is now known as cabbage_away 2012-03-19T11:42:32 *** cabbage_away has quit IRC (Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )) 2012-03-19T11:45:04 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T11:46:18 guidof: as far as I can tell, the stream file contains the game state, which could be used for visualizer playback during the game simulation 2012-03-19T11:47:45 well I was wondering what the h, a and f means 2012-03-19T11:47:59 furthermore, I found out that stream files of different games on different maps were the same 2012-03-19T11:49:50 *** GeorgeSebastian_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T11:51:40 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T11:53:41 *** GeorgeSebastian_ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-03-19T11:54:15 hill, ant and food; also, the stream file is only generated if you pass the appropriate arg to playgame.py; previous stream files are left there untouched, which may produce the appearance of identical streams for different games 2012-03-19T11:55:38 *** GeorgeSebastian_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T11:59:32 *** GeorgeH has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-03-19T12:02:20 ah, that explains why 2012-03-19T12:02:36 and what argument are you talking about? 2012-03-19T12:03:05 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-03-19T12:03:41 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T12:48:14 *** archdori has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2012-03-19T12:49:40 *** kurnevsky has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T12:52:33 smiley1983: have you thougth about pacman problem at all? :p 2012-03-19T12:55:46 hai guyz 2012-03-19T12:57:35 mcstar: heyz 2012-03-19T12:58:00 i've been considering how to game treeize pacman 2012-03-19T12:58:18 treeize? 2012-03-19T12:58:21 triage 2012-03-19T12:58:26 haha 2012-03-19T12:58:27 turn it into a game tree 2012-03-19T12:58:30 i know 2012-03-19T12:58:34 gl 2012-03-19T12:58:41 i swamped 2012-03-19T12:58:43 m 2012-03-19T12:58:48 me too 2012-03-19T12:58:56 but interesting problems are very alluring 2012-03-19T12:59:10 antimatroid: you should have take crypto class 2012-03-19T12:59:25 i don't have that much time 2012-03-19T12:59:32 i will do it later in the year some time 2012-03-19T12:59:36 i wanna do machine learning :( 2012-03-19T12:59:41 they still haven't bloody started 2012-03-19T12:59:43 notgonnahappen 2012-03-19T12:59:47 "well start in january" they said 2012-03-19T12:59:54 we'll* 2012-03-19T13:00:00 what bloody year? 2012-03-19T13:00:05 2012 2012-03-19T13:00:08 antimatroid: i went biking the other day 2012-03-19T13:00:11 fun? 2012-03-19T13:00:22 with 1.4" tire in 20cm deep sand 2012-03-19T13:00:28 *** kilae has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T13:00:33 NOPE 2012-03-19T13:00:40 yeah, so it was fun 2012-03-19T13:00:46 i'm stuck with a backpack on riding to uni most days, it's incredibly nice when I go out without one 2012-03-19T13:01:21 i might need new tyres soon aha 2012-03-19T13:01:26 been skidding my other ones to death 2012-03-19T13:04:37 *** treeform_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T13:06:13 i just tested whether i could bike on nearby dirt roads 2012-03-19T13:06:23 with slick tires 2012-03-19T13:06:24 slap fatter tyres on :P 2012-03-19T13:06:25 and i could 2012-03-19T13:06:31 nah 2012-03-19T13:06:42 ill go back, and choose the right roads 2012-03-19T13:06:53 been running today 2012-03-19T13:07:10 i feel the power, baby! 2012-03-19T13:07:14 XD 2012-03-19T13:07:53 i never got down to running for runnings sake 2012-03-19T13:08:02 i'm not good at pacing myself either 2012-03-19T13:08:09 i'm pretty quick on the hockey field though 2012-03-19T13:08:24 * mcstar never stepped on the ice 2012-03-19T13:08:32 i've surprised some defenses with balls i've managed to run down :P 2012-03-19T13:08:37 field hockey :P 2012-03-19T13:08:44 ah 2012-03-19T13:08:59 i'm like a dog after a ball in such situations 2012-03-19T13:09:08 antimatroid: so its like rugby right? 2012-03-19T13:09:26 haha physical contact isn't allowed 2012-03-19T13:09:29 well not really 2012-03-19T13:09:51 just intentional contact not allowed 2012-03-19T13:09:57 no? 2012-03-19T13:10:00 yeah 2012-03-19T13:10:10 you could both bump into each other if you're going for the ball or whatever 2012-03-19T13:10:25 or go shoulder to shoulder while running, but you couldn't just run in and tackle a guy to the ground 2012-03-19T13:10:41 *** treeform_ has left #aichallenge ("Leaving...") 2012-03-19T13:10:41 you can't do that in afl either 2012-03-19T13:10:47 and people who play that are HUGE 2012-03-19T13:10:56 those rules take the fun out of it 2012-03-19T13:11:22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIReSJhQor0 2012-03-19T13:11:54 what am i saying 2012-03-19T13:11:57 you can do that in afl 2012-03-19T13:12:05 but not as hardcore as rugby 2012-03-19T13:14:09 i hope you're watching this, cause it's epic :P 2012-03-19T13:15:00 im not 2012-03-19T13:15:23 ill be 2012-03-19T13:15:43 damn flasplayer keep dying 20 times till it stabilizes 2012-03-19T13:15:58 ill watch it late 2012-03-19T13:16:00 r 2012-03-19T13:18:44 you better 2012-03-19T13:18:47 that was so epic 2012-03-19T13:19:21 bleh 2012-03-19T13:19:25 ridiculous 2012-03-19T13:19:51 in real football you cant touch the ball 2012-03-19T13:19:52 we breed them tough down here :P 2012-03-19T13:20:01 you call it soccer 2012-03-19T13:20:11 a lot of people call it football here anyway 2012-03-19T13:20:20 but most people think of football as afl 2012-03-19T13:20:31 they're different games though, and afl is pretty hardcore 2012-03-19T13:20:53 honestly its a mess 2012-03-19T13:21:37 the ball is not even round 2012-03-19T13:21:46 that makes it harder 2012-03-19T13:22:01 plus it carries a lot further in the air 2012-03-19T13:22:40 but there is no goalkeeper 2012-03-19T13:23:16 and yeah, it is brutal 2012-03-19T13:23:46 it makes is more enjoyable for the mass, but i think makes it less 'tactical' 2012-03-19T13:24:50 i think those players are drugged before the game 2012-03-19T13:27:25 *** kurnevsky1 has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T13:28:00 *** kurnevsky has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-03-19T13:28:25 j, watched it all 2012-03-19T13:28:30 k 2012-03-19T13:29:02 i think i should put youtube into /etc/hosts.deny 2012-03-19T13:29:56 ah, that file is obsolete damn 2012-03-19T13:30:21 @later tell thestinger what the alternative to hosts.deny? 2012-03-19T13:30:21 mcstar: Yes master! 2012-03-19T13:32:42 mcstar: can always add a iptables rule 2012-03-19T13:32:59 delt0r: HAI! 2012-03-19T13:33:25 i dont think iptables is running at all 2012-03-19T13:35:22 It typically is by default 2012-03-19T13:35:29 iptables -L 2012-03-19T13:35:42 you can just use /etc/hosts 2012-03-19T13:35:51 and map 127.0.0.1 to it 2012-03-19T13:36:34 Zannick: i prefer with a error packet gets generated somewhere so that FF etc don't just sit there for a time out interval 2012-03-19T13:36:35 by default? 2012-03-19T13:37:11 mcstar: its kind of deep in the kernal... the command iptables only changes the firewall rules on the tcp/ip stack IIRC 2012-03-19T13:37:11 Zannick: thats interesting 2012-03-19T13:37:15 run a simple http server on localhost that rejects everything \o_ 2012-03-19T13:37:51 that is iptables does not need to run per say 2012-03-19T13:37:58 ah yeah, it is kernel level but by default no rule exists i think 2012-03-19T13:38:04 yea 2012-03-19T13:38:05 at least not on my machine 2012-03-19T13:38:44 Zannick: how do you suggest i dispose of the root password? 2012-03-19T13:38:50 neither here... but my home machine has a script that adds rules when a port scan is detected 2012-03-19T13:39:04 hm? 2012-03-19T13:39:20 so that i couldnt enable the internets again 2012-03-19T13:39:23 XD 2012-03-19T13:39:30 non-parental control 2012-03-19T13:39:39 hahaha 2012-03-19T13:53:00 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-03-19T13:57:34 *** Palmik has quit IRC () 2012-03-19T13:59:36 *** Palmik has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T14:14:54 *** sevikkk has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2012-03-19T14:15:50 *** antimatroidl has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-03-19T14:19:39 *** gnu has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T14:20:05 *** gnu is now known as Guest81593 2012-03-19T14:21:15 *** Guest81593 has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2012-03-19T14:22:00 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-03-19T14:25:58 *** mcstar1 has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T14:29:41 *** sevikkk has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T15:10:26 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T15:33:03 *** GeorgeSebastian_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-03-19T15:36:45 *** GeorgeSebastian_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T15:50:19 *** GeorgeSebastian_ has quit IRC (Excess Flood) 2012-03-19T15:50:58 *** GeorgeSebastian_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T15:55:13 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2012-03-19T16:09:30 *** kurnevsky1 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-03-19T16:09:37 *** mcstar1 is now known as mcstar 2012-03-19T16:12:51 *** tikfreenode has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-03-19T16:14:15 *** cyphase has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2012-03-19T16:21:40 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T16:26:55 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T16:27:16 mcstar: you there? 2012-03-19T16:27:27 . 2012-03-19T16:27:53 Sent 2 hours and 56 minutes ago: what the alternative to hosts.deny? 2012-03-19T16:28:01 iptables (netfilter) 2012-03-19T16:28:02 ah 2012-03-19T16:28:05 yeah 2012-03-19T16:28:16 no more easy fiddleing 2012-03-19T16:28:16 hosts.deny was just for things compiled against libwrap 2012-03-19T16:28:25 it is pretty easy 2012-03-19T16:29:09 *** tikfreenode has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T16:29:25 I still have to finish problem set 1 for the algo course >.< 2012-03-19T16:29:41 i hope i did it 2012-03-19T16:29:55 yes 2012-03-19T16:30:00 I did the programming one before watching the videos, (with the crappy algorithm) and then rewrote it after 2012-03-19T16:30:47 *** cyphase has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T16:30:59 mine is ungly didnt bother much with it, and uses another array as long as the input 2012-03-19T16:31:59 I did a C implementation of the stuff and then a fancier generic C++ version (not just for arrays) 2012-03-19T17:05:33 *** iok has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2012-03-19T17:07:16 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-03-19T17:07:50 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T17:17:46 *** kilae has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312181643]) 2012-03-19T17:21:49 *** GeorgeH has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T17:29:51 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T17:29:52 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2012-03-19T17:37:03 *** GeorgeH has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-03-19T17:42:22 *** antimatroidl has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T17:44:14 *** jjj_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T17:54:26 *** guidof has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2012-03-19T18:02:57 *** jjj_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2012-03-19T18:16:29 *** coeus has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T18:19:23 *** Palmik has quit IRC () 2012-03-19T18:34:00 *** foRei has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-03-19T18:59:44 mcstar: it's a bit too easy to get perfect on these 2012-03-19T19:03:42 ah 2012-03-19T19:04:00 i did gave 1 wrong aswer 2012-03-19T19:04:29 ah yeah 2^f=O(2^g) 2012-03-19T19:04:37 i missed somethingg there 2012-03-19T19:04:52 it's just the upper bound 2012-03-19T19:04:59 I screwed up the last question _twice_ 2012-03-19T19:05:18 wait 2012-03-19T19:05:25 i should do it again? 2012-03-19T19:05:27 or wtf 2012-03-19T19:05:27 yes 2012-03-19T19:05:32 your highest grade is used 2012-03-19T19:05:32 why? 2012-03-19T19:05:34 lol 2012-03-19T19:05:34 thats stupid 2012-03-19T19:05:41 wtf 2012-03-19T19:05:46 they only have 4 tries for the first one 2012-03-19T19:05:48 they show the right answers 2012-03-19T19:05:54 they dropped it down to a more reasonable 2 for the second 2012-03-19T19:06:02 mcstar: not really, they show which ones you got wrong 2012-03-19T19:06:06 they change them around a bit 2012-03-19T19:06:08 but not enough 2012-03-19T19:06:18 I think you get a randomized set of questions 2012-03-19T19:06:32 thestinger: but then i would have to do the hole test again 2012-03-19T19:06:37 i dont care 2012-03-19T19:06:40 ah 2012-03-19T19:06:42 :P 2012-03-19T19:06:43 i mean i dont care for that 2012-03-19T19:06:52 7.25/8 is ok 2012-03-19T19:07:21 I was just lazy with answering the last question and didn't graph it 2012-03-19T19:07:30 and I made a silly mistake twice 2012-03-19T19:07:32 i didnt graph anything 2012-03-19T19:07:36 I wrote a twice 2012-03-19T19:07:42 oh 2012-03-19T19:09:04 I like that udacity has a real programming assignment each week 2012-03-19T19:09:14 where they unit test your code 2012-03-19T19:09:27 the theory questions there are boring though 2012-03-19T19:09:52 they feel like "intuition" questions, lots of them aren't based on the material that was covered 2012-03-19T19:10:04 they are easy, as long as you don't misinterpret them 2012-03-19T19:11:19 the unit videos have programming "quizzes" (works like the homework but you seen if you got it right immediately and can try again) 2012-03-19T19:11:54 so you build up a whole program throughout the unit and then the homework is usually "make this work for 2 dimensions instead of one" and stuff like that 2012-03-19T19:15:03 *** yoden has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T19:15:48 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2012-03-19T19:17:14 the next unit in the robotic car course looks very neat 2012-03-19T19:18:07 the stochastic motion thing would have been useful for ants 2012-03-19T19:39:34 i don't think so 2012-03-19T19:39:37 ants are deterministic 2012-03-19T19:43:40 *** Garf has quit IRC (Quit: Make a new plan, Stan!) 2012-03-19T19:43:43 *** loglog has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-03-19T19:43:52 amstan: yes, but so is the problem we solved with it (staying a bit further away from walls) 2012-03-19T20:17:14 *** archdori has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T20:20:07 *** GeorgeSebastian_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2012-03-19T20:58:00 *** mceier has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2012-03-19T21:08:22 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Quit: mcstar) 2012-03-19T21:22:58 *** archdori has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-03-19T21:23:31 *** archdori has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T21:44:24 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2012-03-19T21:44:32 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T21:46:26 *** archdori has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-03-19T21:46:51 *** archdori has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T21:53:23 *** amstan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2012-03-19T22:01:04 antimatroid: I looked at mspacman long enough to think that maybe I should write an entry so I become familiar with Java. 2012-03-19T22:02:02 Looks like heuristic solution attempts would be quite weak (without doing lots of simulation as well) so if I write something, it'll probably be some sort of mcts 2012-03-19T22:10:34 *** GeorgeH has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T22:18:34 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-03-19T22:25:17 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T22:29:39 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-03-19T22:30:33 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T22:35:01 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-03-19T22:38:05 every time sebastian thrun says "beta", I hear it as "butter" and get really confused >.< 2012-03-19T22:46:48 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T23:04:50 *** GeorgeSebastian_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T23:04:51 *** GeorgeSebastian_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-03-19T23:09:38 *** SparrowG has left #aichallenge 2012-03-19T23:44:29 *** GeorgeSebastian_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-03-19T23:57:06 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-03-19T23:59:25 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge