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2012-04-16T08:51:40 http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/16/11221722-el-salvador-has-its-first-murder-free-day-in-three-years 2012-04-16T08:51:41 hehe 2012-04-16T08:52:04 I'm here 2012-04-16T08:52:22 pairofdice: try with mcstar next time 2012-04-16T08:52:24 thank you 2012-04-16T08:52:39 listen, did you do week4 programming assignment? 2012-04-16T08:52:48 the damn thing doesnt want to accept my answer 2012-04-16T08:52:54 and the answer is right 2012-04-16T08:53:14 Nope, haven't participated on any of the coursera courses 2012-04-16T08:53:32 o.O 2012-04-16T08:53:41 i thought you are doing crypto 2012-04-16T08:53:57 last time we spoke about it, you said you are doing it 2012-04-16T08:54:04 I was for a short time, not enough energy 2012-04-16T08:54:21 ill have to wait for the stinger then 2012-04-16T08:55:39 *** PureEnergie has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T08:55:59 hi 2012-04-16T08:56:47 *** PureEnergie has left #aichallenge 2012-04-16T08:57:57 funny 2012-04-16T08:58:29 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T08:58:29 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2012-04-16T08:59:36 sxfnkfkhfuodasfe 2012-04-16T08:59:39 rwfg 2012-04-16T08:59:41 eriowqgh erg ergherwio 2012-04-16T09:00:08 i just needed to change escaped characters 2012-04-16T09:00:18 \" to " 2012-04-16T09:04:44 antimatroid: that world is totally unbelievable as far as im concerned 2012-04-16T09:05:10 what kind of life is that 2012-04-16T09:05:20 that gang life 2012-04-16T09:05:32 yeah it's crazy 2012-04-16T09:05:39 i like the safety of australia 2012-04-16T09:05:47 gun ownership here is minimal 2012-04-16T09:06:04 and violent crimes etc. aren't very high, especially if you don't involve yourself with such people 2012-04-16T09:06:20 It's the massive drug war 2012-04-16T09:06:43 drugs and gangs go hand in hand 2012-04-16T09:06:47 politician: "I'm going to reject your evidence based research in favour of what will get me more votes, problem?" 2012-04-16T09:06:48 usually 2012-04-16T09:07:09 but i wouldnt sa that 'ganging' happens only because of drug 2012-04-16T09:07:36 no, but drug markets fund activities which escalate the violence people are willing to commit etc. 2012-04-16T09:08:08 i think this was all planned by the cia 2012-04-16T09:08:22 ok, kidding 2012-04-16T09:09:31 some countries are just a joke 2012-04-16T09:09:39 A lot of it would go away if the drugs were legal 2012-04-16T09:09:51 whoa 2012-04-16T09:09:57 i think we should avoid this conversation in here 2012-04-16T09:10:03 although i agree 2012-04-16T09:10:09 come to my place 2012-04-16T09:10:14 if you want to talk about it 2012-04-16T09:11:00 or alternatively, lets just make another channel 2012-04-16T09:11:17 #polifags? 2012-04-16T09:11:29 com ejoin me at DrugWarCia! 2012-04-16T09:12:58 mmmh 2012-04-16T09:13:59 *** kurnevsky has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-04-16T09:35:26 *** archdori has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T09:38:49 *** Fandekasp has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-04-16T09:43:42 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T09:51:31 thestinger: hey 2012-04-16T09:51:44 damn, i dont see anymore when you join 2012-04-16T09:52:29 lol... I gave n^2 as the answer to this 2012-04-16T09:52:38 and it was wrong, because the answer was O(n^2) 2012-04-16T09:52:42 which is what I meant 2012-04-16T09:52:55 or theta 2012-04-16T09:53:14 I really hated my Algorithms class 2012-04-16T09:53:18 thestinger: the system didnt accept my week4 prog. assignment 2012-04-16T09:53:41 seemed fairly pointless to do all that calculation to get the running time when I could just look at it and give a good enough approximation 2012-04-16T09:53:47 i forgot to change the escaped quotes, \" to " 2012-04-16T09:54:32 hmm, why were they escaped? 2012-04-16T09:54:49 thats how haskell shows strings 2012-04-16T09:54:53 ah 2012-04-16T09:55:04 i didnt write a program for that one though 2012-04-16T09:55:20 just needed a hex to [Int] conversion 2012-04-16T09:55:20 mcstar: you really love haskell 2012-04-16T09:55:33 do i? 2012-04-16T09:55:40 you seem to be using it a lot 2012-04-16T09:55:42 rwest: haskell is awesome 2012-04-16T09:55:46 LIES! 2012-04-16T09:55:56 rwest: i try to, haskell is awesome 2012-04-16T09:55:57 every other programming language just reeks of "this is awful, but it works" 2012-04-16T09:56:26 while haskell is: i have no clue about this, but it works! 2012-04-16T09:56:38 it is so ugly 2012-04-16T09:56:42 well, "this is awesome, but I have no idea how to use it" :P 2012-04-16T09:56:56 rwest: that is totally invalid 2012-04-16T09:57:04 rwest: the only reason for that is because they use operators and not english words 2012-04-16T09:57:08 it has the best ML syntax 2012-04-16T09:57:14 i mean in the funcitnal family 2012-04-16T09:57:23 or maybe it's the standard formatting that makes it so 2012-04-16T09:57:40 if c++ let me overload anything as an operator and precedence i would be a happy man 2012-04-16T09:58:00 ..ignorance is bliss, hear this somewhere 2012-04-16T09:58:03 heard* 2012-04-16T09:58:13 http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/containers/latest/doc/html/src/Data-Graph.html 2012-04-16T09:58:18 so I am looking at that 2012-04-16T09:58:22 and that seems pretty ugly 2012-04-16T09:58:33 ugly/intimidating 2012-04-16T09:58:36 antimatroid: it can't be added, because it would be massively change existing programs :( 2012-04-16T09:59:05 well, at least some things 2012-04-16T09:59:08 rwest: everything is quite cmpact there 2012-04-16T09:59:11 that is good 2012-04-16T09:59:20 like <-- >-- >- >* 2012-04-16T09:59:28 which are already well defined 2012-04-16T09:59:28 and is a file, from which the docs are generated too 2012-04-16T10:00:11 mcstar: can't you just submit again? 2012-04-16T10:00:15 it says the deadline is the 17th 2012-04-16T10:00:27 ? 2012-04-16T10:00:38 the crypto programming thing 2012-04-16T10:00:39 ofc i submitted again 2012-04-16T10:00:59 i submitted many times 2012-04-16T10:01:08 i tried submitting hex encoding 2012-04-16T10:01:11 i tried with without the padding 2012-04-16T10:01:14 09 2012-04-16T10:01:22 i tried with quotes without quotes 2012-04-16T10:01:37 until i figured out the problem is the inner escaped quotes 2012-04-16T10:02:08 thestinger: where do you see 17th? 2012-04-16T10:02:16 Mon 16 Apr 2012 11:59:00 PM PDT 2012-04-16T10:02:32 that was around 5am here 2012-04-16T10:02:35 or 6 2012-04-16T10:02:43 mcstar: http://ompldr.org/vZGU5aQ 2012-04-16T10:03:21 hm 2012-04-16T10:03:55 I signed up for 2 udacity courses that start today 2012-04-16T10:04:15 I think I'll want to do ml-class so I don't think signing up for 3-4 is a good idea :P 2012-04-16T10:04:45 rwest: structure is very important, many things are pattern matched 2012-04-16T10:05:23 mcstar ugh, I am very unorthodox with my formatting I think 2012-04-16T10:05:25 and in the libs you have type signatures of nearly everything, but most of it you can actually skip 2012-04-16T10:05:36 like I prefer: } else { 2012-04-16T10:05:46 you can have that in haskell 2012-04-16T10:05:47 and other things that compact code 2012-04-16T10:05:51 i mean {} 2012-04-16T10:05:52 that's not unorthodox 2012-04-16T10:06:15 for the 2 places I have worked since college it has been 2012-04-16T10:06:22 } else { is not cmpact, }else{ is 2012-04-16T10:06:30 and wasting a line for a single bracket 2012-04-16T10:06:33 that drives me nuts 2012-04-16T10:06:45 c++ seems idiotic, if you dont 2012-04-16T10:06:56 * thestinger doesn't think so 2012-04-16T10:07:01 do you close like lisp does? 2012-04-16T10:07:05 just have to extensively use the hanging-bracket thing from python 2012-04-16T10:07:10 no, I don't 2012-04-16T10:07:14 that is harder to read 2012-04-16T10:07:29 well I will close like that in a multi-line if statement 2012-04-16T10:07:39 but nowhere else really 2012-04-16T10:07:39 you said you dont waste a line for a single bracket, then how do you close them? 2012-04-16T10:07:58 I mean: if (blah) { <--- that bracket 2012-04-16T10:08:03 the opener 2012-04-16T10:08:13 but im interested in the closing bracket 2012-04-16T10:08:21 fun(){ 2012-04-16T10:08:24 } 2012-04-16T10:08:28 or fun(){ 2012-04-16T10:08:31 statement;} 2012-04-16T10:08:38 yes that one on it's own line 2012-04-16T10:09:03 I don't work on much non object oriented code anymore 2012-04-16T10:09:09 so it's clearer in meaning 2012-04-16T10:10:08 mcstar: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/WRD1EsC6LYEkn1yA4dtC/ I use that indent style too 2012-04-16T10:10:18 I think much of my formating has come from doing so much code in tcl 2012-04-16T10:10:23 you start else without a newline, it doesn't apply to closing brackets 2012-04-16T10:10:54 thestinger: that is how my code looks 2012-04-16T10:11:06 thestinger: i do it like that, without those damn extra spaces, and and 2 spaces for indentation 2012-04-16T10:11:25 I have to do 4 spaces for indentation 2012-04-16T10:11:31 mcstar: I can easily change the indentation because I can just autoindent the whole file without change it 2012-04-16T10:11:33 changing it* 2012-04-16T10:11:34 or emacs will break all the files 2012-04-16T10:11:46 and then I get some great diffs 2012-04-16T10:11:50 had to mess with cindentoptions or whatever it's called to get the hanging-indent thing 2012-04-16T10:12:11 sadly python itself requires a new syntax file in vim for proper auto-indent 2012-04-16T10:15:02 mathematica autoindents http://imgur.com/QjVIV 2012-04-16T10:15:27 i didnt even have any syntax highlighting before 6.0 2012-04-16T10:16:16 it is easy if you syntax is lispy 2012-04-16T10:16:19 youre 2012-04-16T10:16:24 damn your 2012-04-16T10:16:36 emacs syntax highlighting is just done by lisp 2012-04-16T10:17:06 what do you mean? 2012-04-16T10:17:27 (i mean what kind of relevance does it have?) 2012-04-16T10:17:28 to create a new syntax highlight mode, you create a lisp file to do it 2012-04-16T10:17:56 i wouldnt put it that way 2012-04-16T10:18:04 you write a highlighter in emacslisp 2012-04-16T10:18:12 well yes, elisp 2012-04-16T10:21:45 mcstar: the week5 crypto stuff is neat 2012-04-16T10:21:50 much different than the previous weeks 2012-04-16T10:23:20 lol 2012-04-16T10:23:23 do a barrel roll 2012-04-16T10:23:32 have you tried this? 2012-04-16T10:24:07 ? 2012-04-16T10:24:16 write that into google search 2012-04-16T10:24:21 and enter 2012-04-16T10:24:23 I know 2012-04-16T10:24:26 tilt works too 2012-04-16T10:24:38 I forget the others 2012-04-16T10:25:53 mcstar: askew 2012-04-16T10:25:54 that works too 2012-04-16T10:26:08 yeah 2012-04-16T10:26:13 but 'let it snow' doesnt 2012-04-16T10:26:27 and gravity 2012-04-16T10:26:38 it's not christmas! 2012-04-16T10:29:17 mcstar: I realized I don't really need an associative array for the trie 2012-04-16T10:29:35 I can just store the children by value in an array and search for the right one (and add a char member) 2012-04-16T10:29:53 there can be 256 at most (for strings at least) 2012-04-16T10:30:25 a u32string should probably be stored as a string 2012-04-16T10:33:58 http://linux.thai.net/~thep/datrie/datrie.html all kinds of fancy solutions too 2012-04-16T10:36:26 recursion is nice 2012-04-16T10:36:39 oh, tries look cool 2012-04-16T10:37:35 atm mine is just the naive basic trie 2012-04-16T10:37:39 one node per character 2012-04-16T10:37:39 Error 01: Brainwaves received in analog. Please re-think in digital. 2012-04-16T10:37:53 have you tried searchign for recursion? 2012-04-16T10:37:57 yeah 2012-04-16T10:38:40 pairofdice: they're neat because they give fast lookup, but you can also quickly look up all sequences starting with a prefix 2012-04-16T10:39:04 you just walk down to the node representing the end of the prefix 2012-04-16T10:39:21 and then return all values stored underneath that node (with a depth-first search) 2012-04-16T10:41:40 "shit vomit out of my dick" wut 2012-04-16T10:53:57 *** mviel_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T10:55:26 ^^ seems slightly out of context 2012-04-16T10:56:32 *** dlila has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T10:57:43 *** mviel__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2012-04-16T11:02:32 *** kilae has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 11.0/20120312181643]) 2012-04-16T11:04:22 thestinger: that kind of code editor would make sense elsewhere too 2012-04-16T11:04:35 like using it for scientific notebook or something 2012-04-16T11:04:49 you can write notes, run code, do latex 2012-04-16T11:10:24 *** Areks has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2012-04-16T11:17:42 *** TheLinker has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T11:21:17 *** TheLinker has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-04-16T11:21:41 *** TheLinker has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T11:41:10 *** mviel__ has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T11:45:10 *** mviel_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2012-04-16T11:46:27 *** mviel_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T11:49:53 *** mviel__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2012-04-16T12:04:35 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-04-16T12:07:12 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2012-04-16T12:08:10 *** archdori has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-04-16T12:09:30 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T12:14:31 *** Cyndre_ has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2012-04-16T12:16:35 *** kurnevsky has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T12:28:03 *** Cyndre has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T12:39:17 *** kilae has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T12:53:58 *** SleepingTik is now known as Tiktalik 2012-04-16T13:05:54 *** dlila has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2012-04-16T13:26:59 *** choas has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T14:21:03 *** foRei has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-04-16T14:22:30 *** foRei has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T14:31:57 *** TheLinker has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-04-16T14:37:53 *** iglo has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T14:43:55 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-04-16T14:56:24 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T15:24:04 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2012-04-16T15:35:41 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T15:50:12 *** pairofdice has quit IRC (Quit: It is time for you to leave) 2012-04-16T16:04:25 mcstar: lol, trying to get the sort order right for the trie 2012-04-16T16:04:31 unicode totally screws it over :( 2012-04-16T16:04:49 not really sure why but operator< seems unicode aware 2012-04-16T16:04:53 for std::string 2012-04-16T16:05:11 is that surprising? 2012-04-16T16:05:15 yes 2012-04-16T16:05:19 it's a byte string 2012-04-16T16:05:36 string <> means alphabetical ordering 2012-04-16T16:05:47 that exists for unicode too 2012-04-16T16:06:10 or am i missing something? 2012-04-16T16:06:14 *** Chris_0076 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2012-04-16T16:06:41 mcstar: std::string is std::basic_string 2012-04-16T16:06:44 it's a byte string 2012-04-16T16:06:55 fine with me 2012-04-16T16:07:04 and it's not a multibyte string, it's not supposed to be unicode aware afaik 2012-04-16T16:07:05 and unicode is what wchar? 2012-04-16T16:07:09 no 2012-04-16T16:07:43 char32_t represents unicode codepoints 2012-04-16T16:08:00 char16_t is a utf-16 code-point (multi-byte encoding) 2012-04-16T16:08:05 wchar_t is platform specific 2012-04-16T16:08:34 they had to make char16_t/char32_t because microsoft never switched to UCS4 (utf-32) for wchar_t 2012-04-16T16:08:58 wchar_t is basically useless :P 2012-04-16T16:09:22 if you only want to target linux then you can use it 2012-04-16T16:10:05 ive been thinking about asteroids 2012-04-16T16:11:26 collision detection could be done with masking 2012-04-16T16:11:49 i have no idea how efficient this would be 2012-04-16T16:11:54 i should try it out 2012-04-16T16:12:24 forward and reverse walk through a trie with "bog", "dog", "frog" and "smog": http://sprunge.us/WjYL http://sprunge.us/ajJK 2012-04-16T16:12:27 at least that works :P 2012-04-16T16:12:36 0 means it's not an end node, 1 means it is 2012-04-16T16:12:51 the actual output of the iterator is just the stuff with 1 2012-04-16T16:13:56 actually have to walk the children backwards to get the forwards order 2012-04-16T16:14:15 since a DFS uses a stack 2012-04-16T16:14:39 but in the recursive version walking forwards gets the forwards order... 2012-04-16T16:14:46 just make sure you get good money for this 2012-04-16T16:15:03 sry, but ive got couple of things to do 2012-04-16T16:15:13 well, knowing how this arcane C++ stuff works is probably worth something :) 2012-04-16T16:20:32 *** amstan has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2012-04-16T16:26:51 *** kilae has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 11.0/20120312181643]) 2012-04-16T16:30:09 *** kurnevsky1 has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T16:30:44 *** kurnevsky has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-04-16T16:49:50 *** mcstar has left #aichallenge 2012-04-16T17:03:25 *** Dici_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T17:03:25 *** dici has quit IRC (Disconnected by services) 2012-04-16T17:03:29 *** Dici_ is now known as dici 2012-04-16T17:17:06 *** dici has quit IRC (Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )) 2012-04-16T17:29:21 *** mleise has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-04-16T17:30:47 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T17:30:48 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2012-04-16T17:45:23 *** Palmik has quit IRC () 2012-04-16T17:46:50 *** kurnevsky1 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-04-16T17:53:11 heh 2012-04-16T17:53:14 finally fixed this 2012-04-16T17:53:19 and learned a strange thing about C and C++ :P 2012-04-16T17:53:54 strcmp() and std::string::operator< convert char -> unsigned char before comparing 2012-04-16T18:06:20 *** choas has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-04-16T18:07:33 *** coeus has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2012-04-16T18:07:59 *** coeus has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T18:26:21 *** iglo has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-04-16T18:46:25 *** mceier has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2012-04-16T18:57:04 *** Vrexu has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T19:50:34 *** cyphase has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2012-04-16T20:00:23 *** alehorst has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-04-16T20:06:15 *** cyphase has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T20:15:33 *** alehorst has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T20:21:13 *** Fandekasp has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T20:22:28 *** Vrexu has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2012-04-16T21:18:48 *** foRei has quit IRC (Quit: Bye) 2012-04-16T21:58:13 *** nann has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T21:58:37 *** Apophis has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-04-16T22:30:11 *** nann has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-04-16T22:30:31 *** nann has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T22:39:22 *** archdori has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T22:42:33 *** Fandekasp has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2012-04-16T22:44:33 *** delt0r_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2012-04-16T22:56:45 *** delt0r_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T23:16:37 *** nann has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-04-16T23:17:01 *** nann has joined #aichallenge 2012-04-16T23:57:22 *** alehorst has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)