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2012-06-26T07:52:18  <delt0r__> Whats up?
2012-06-26T07:52:57  <delt0r__> a FYI i will be in Canada in 2 weeks.. in particular, Ottawa, Toronto and Montreal.
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2012-06-26T07:56:29  <mcstar> unfortunately we wont meet then
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2012-06-26T09:34:30  <delt0r> mcstar: you out of town?
2012-06-26T09:34:58  <mcstar> delt0r: no, thats the reason we wont meet XD
2012-06-26T09:35:06  <delt0r> just had a power cut... first time i booted this machine in 15 months
2012-06-26T09:35:21  <delt0r> mcstar: your confusing me
2012-06-26T09:35:39  <delt0r> not that its difficulty to do that
2012-06-26T09:35:48  <mcstar> :)
2012-06-26T09:36:16  <delt0r> I was also wondering if there was any progress with "reorganizing" the organization that is aichallange
2012-06-26T09:36:19  <mcstar> delt0r: not much was happening to the contest since jeff last appeared
2012-06-26T09:36:41  <mcstar> it was ~2 months ago
2012-06-26T09:36:43  <delt0r> in other words i am asking if anyone has got a hold of jeff
2012-06-26T09:37:24  <delt0r> He needs to agree to let his baby leave home
2012-06-26T09:37:32  <mcstar> probably
2012-06-26T09:38:10  <delt0r> in other words he is not around enough... there is a lot of people that want to see a bit more pace than "we don't know what is happening next"
2012-06-26T09:38:21  <delt0r> and since he is not around... why are we waiting for him?
2012-06-26T09:38:23  <mcstar> absolutely
2012-06-26T09:38:37  <mcstar> but he brought the funding so far
2012-06-26T09:38:40  <mcstar> thats one reason i recon
2012-06-26T09:38:56  <delt0r> he who has the gold makes the rules
2012-06-26T09:39:08  <delt0r> how much funding is needed?
2012-06-26T09:39:19  <mcstar> idk
2012-06-26T09:39:25  <delt0r> I still think getting a uni on board would not be difficult...
2012-06-26T09:39:44  <delt0r> use the spare cluster cycles... or even get some allocated
2012-06-26T09:40:17  <delt0r> I am moving to Switzerland next year. I know i will be there for at least 4 years..
2012-06-26T09:40:49  <delt0r> So I am prepared to be a bit more stable with perhaps doing something more tangible than just code...
2012-06-26T09:42:49  <delt0r> not that code is not tangible...
2012-06-26T09:43:18  <mcstar> i was thinking about that, and came to the conclusion it isnt, except in mission critical applications
2012-06-26T09:43:53  <delt0r> you mean code is not tangible..
2012-06-26T09:43:57  <mcstar> yeah
2012-06-26T09:44:22  <mcstar> maybe if you print it in braille...
2012-06-26T09:44:27  <delt0r> well then my job involve lots of intangible productivity
2012-06-26T09:44:42  <mcstar> yeah
2012-06-26T09:44:51  <mcstar> and not just code is like that
2012-06-26T09:45:01  <delt0r> case in point my new job will involve a lot more data work
2012-06-26T09:45:32  <delt0r> like real data, HIV and influenza and stuff like that
2012-06-26T09:45:43  <mcstar> exciting
2012-06-26T09:45:48  <delt0r> I am
2012-06-26T09:45:54  <delt0r> good lab to work with
2012-06-26T09:45:59  <delt0r> good pay too
2012-06-26T09:46:09  <delt0r> well for science anyway
2012-06-26T09:47:44  <mcstar> have you moved your family to switzerland yet?
2012-06-26T09:47:51  <delt0r> so anyway you talked to jeff 2 months ago? how did that go? anything to report (don't want to go over the logs)
2012-06-26T09:48:03  <delt0r> mcstar: no... we move in Dec/Jan
2012-06-26T09:48:06  <mcstar> not me
2012-06-26T09:48:29  <delt0r> oh... thought you where in canada?
2012-06-26T09:48:32  <delt0r> like jeff
2012-06-26T09:48:39  <mcstar> im in hungary
2012-06-26T09:48:49  <mcstar> and im not an organizer :)
2012-06-26T09:48:50  <delt0r> oh... well another EU person
2012-06-26T09:48:59  <delt0r> but are any of us?
2012-06-26T09:49:37  <delt0r> Hungary is nice --we have been to Budapest a few times
2012-06-26T09:49:45  <delt0r> like the food
2012-06-26T09:49:58  <mcstar> well, amstan rossignol scott and jeff are the core
2012-06-26T09:49:59  <mcstar> afaik
2012-06-26T09:50:00  <delt0r> not so different from Austria however
2012-06-26T09:50:08  <delt0r> Right
2012-06-26T09:50:18  <delt0r> do you know if any progress was made?
2012-06-26T09:50:47  <mcstar> they agreed to talk more seriously again
2012-06-26T09:50:51  <mcstar> but that never happened
2012-06-26T09:50:58  <delt0r> Oh god
2012-06-26T09:51:30  <delt0r> of course not... because they could have done it then and it was delayed... the infinite delay
2012-06-26T09:52:16  <delt0r> What i don't get is why is this aichallenge so popular compared to others?
2012-06-26T09:52:32  <delt0r> because google is in the name?
2012-06-26T09:52:52  <mcstar> is it popular?
2012-06-26T09:53:03  <delt0r> well compared to others
2012-06-26T09:53:05  <delt0r> yes
2012-06-26T09:53:11  <mcstar> it attracts a lot of newbies
2012-06-26T09:53:22  <mcstar> the entry barrier is low
2012-06-26T09:53:37  <delt0r> its quite a lot of entries... and if it was consistent with 2 per year it would get a lot bigger
2012-06-26T09:54:22  <mcstar> afaik, it needs more advertising
2012-06-26T09:54:25  <mcstar> not afaik
2012-06-26T09:54:29  <mcstar> imho
2012-06-26T09:54:38  <mcstar> ofc, not now
2012-06-26T09:54:39  <delt0r> it is also perhaps the most language diverse
2012-06-26T09:54:52  <mcstar> yeah, thats a great plus
2012-06-26T09:55:03  <delt0r> yea.. perhaps... but without more resources i think more entries would be bad
2012-06-26T09:55:30  <delt0r> that or pick a challenge that does not need so much cpu and servers etc
2012-06-26T09:56:17  <mcstar> i have quite a lot to do, so i wont be the one pushing the challenge forward
2012-06-26T09:56:29  <mcstar> though ill try to help if i can
2012-06-26T09:56:38  <pairofdice> AI challenge was easy to get into
2012-06-26T09:56:48  <delt0r> a lot of us are in that boat mcstar
2012-06-26T09:56:51  <pairofdice> It was simple and fun
2012-06-26T09:57:09  <mcstar> pairofdice: hi, back from japan?
2012-06-26T09:57:10  <delt0r> pairofdice: how much programing experience did you have?
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2012-06-26T09:57:23  <pairofdice> I had practically 0 experince,
2012-06-26T09:57:27  <delt0r> and why are other challenges not fun (starcraft, soccor etc)
2012-06-26T09:57:42  <delt0r> how did you hear about it?
2012-06-26T09:57:48  <delt0r> pairofdice: ^
2012-06-26T09:58:17  <pairofdice> Random post on Google+
2012-06-26T09:58:20  <mcstar> but how did I?
2012-06-26T09:58:25  <delt0r> pairofdice: so starter packs are a big part of getting started easily?
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2012-06-26T09:58:39  <delt0r> mcstar: yea how did you hear about it?
2012-06-26T09:58:39  <pairofdice> Absolutely
2012-06-26T09:58:48  <mcstar> ah, i remember, i saw a language comparison based on the tron results made with R
2012-06-26T09:58:49  <delt0r> interesting
2012-06-26T09:58:56  <pairofdice> mcstar: yeah, got back yesterday: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3559814/IMG_0276s.jpg
2012-06-26T09:59:39  <mcstar> pairofdice: good shot
2012-06-26T10:00:06  <pairofdice> roughly 1% of the shots turned out decent
2012-06-26T10:00:20  <delt0r> yea these days just getting more people interested is probably pretty good advertising via g+ and facebook etc
2012-06-26T10:00:45  <mcstar> pairofdice: what was the purpose of your visit?
2012-06-26T10:00:54  <delt0r> pairofdice: some pros i know think their hit rate is lower... take 1000 keep 2 or 3
2012-06-26T10:00:56  <delt0r> :D
2012-06-26T10:01:18  <delt0r> mcstar: the boarder patrol...
2012-06-26T10:01:27  <pairofdice> Just general sightseeing
2012-06-26T10:01:27  <mcstar> huh?
2012-06-26T10:01:37  <mcstar> border partol?
2012-06-26T10:01:39  <mcstar> patrol
2012-06-26T10:01:40  <pairofdice> Didn't even see any go-related stuff
2012-06-26T10:01:48  <delt0r> That is what they ask you at the airport... "what is the ...
2012-06-26T10:02:01  <mcstar> i have never been asked that
2012-06-26T10:02:09  <delt0r> going to the UK i have
2012-06-26T10:02:12  <mcstar> though o only flew to switzerland and england
2012-06-26T10:02:17  <mcstar> o->i
2012-06-26T10:02:26  <delt0r> and to japan... i expect to be asked when i get to canada too
2012-06-26T10:03:10  <delt0r> the rest of the EU just ask about New Zealand and pretty much ignore your passport after that
2012-06-26T10:03:53  <delt0r> even coming back to Austria from NZ a few weeks back with an expired residents permit was hardly noticed
2012-06-26T10:03:58  <mcstar> pairofdice: do you have more images you can share :P
2012-06-26T10:04:11  <mcstar> well, if they arent totally boring
2012-06-26T10:04:18  <delt0r> pairofdice: how did your bot do in ants?
2012-06-26T10:04:22  <pairofdice> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3559814/IMG_0541s.jpg
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2012-06-26T10:04:27  <pairofdice> 346 IIRC
2012-06-26T10:04:35  <delt0r> wow
2012-06-26T10:04:38  <delt0r> not bad at all
2012-06-26T10:04:47  <delt0r> esp for a fist time coder....
2012-06-26T10:04:56  <pairofdice> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3559814/IMG_0169s.jpg
2012-06-26T10:05:08  <pairofdice> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3559814/IMG_1143c.jpg
2012-06-26T10:06:46  <mcstar> that ferris wheel looks huge
2012-06-26T10:06:47  <delt0r> Well anyways... if there are any aichallenge folk in Ottawa, Toronto or Montreal between the 6th and the 23rd... would be keen to hook up
2012-06-26T10:07:02  <pairofdice> They said it was the world's tallest
2012-06-26T10:07:55  <mcstar> delt0r: well, talk to amstan at least when hes here
2012-06-26T10:09:15  <delt0r> @tell amstan I will be in Canada from the 6th to the 23rd July, Ottawa, Toronto and Montreal. Would be keen to grab a beer..
2012-06-26T10:09:15  <contestbot> delt0r: Error: I haven't seen amstan, I'll let you do the telling.
2012-06-26T10:10:38  <delt0r> contestbot, you sux
2012-06-26T10:10:39  <contestbot> delt0r: Run as fast as you can and don't look back.
2012-06-26T10:11:06  <delt0r> @latter tell amstan I will be in Canada from the 6th to the 23rd July, Ottawa, Toronto and Montreal. Would be keen to grab a beer..
2012-06-26T10:11:06  <contestbot> delt0r: An error occured while trying to show the previous error.
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2012-06-26T10:11:24  <delt0r> dam i never remember the command s
2012-06-26T10:11:58  <delt0r> @later tell amstan I will be in Canada from the 6th to the 23rd July, Ottawa, Toronto and Montreal. Would be keen to grab a beer..
2012-06-26T10:11:58  <contestbot> delt0r: I come to serve.
2012-06-26T10:12:12  <delt0r> i should think so...
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2012-06-26T13:14:39  <antimatroid> first year economic students really suck at maths apparently
2012-06-26T13:14:50  <antimatroid> at least at my uni
2012-06-26T13:17:50  <mcstar> they will always do
2012-06-26T13:30:38  <mcstar> http://i.imgur.com/iwfQx.png
2012-06-26T13:31:24  <pairofdice> Looks like a weed
2012-06-26T13:32:25  <mcstar> those are Collatz trajectories
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2012-06-26T13:42:08  <antimatroid> purposefully arranged to look like a tree
2012-06-26T13:44:31  <mcstar> it is a tree
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2012-06-26T13:44:37  <mcstar> with 1 cycle
2012-06-26T13:44:41  <mcstar> but lets erase that
2012-06-26T13:44:58  <mcstar> ofc, the conjecture is that notwithstanding that cycle, there is no other
2012-06-26T13:45:12  <mcstar> and all the natural numbers appear as vertices
2012-06-26T13:46:00  <n4nd0> hi all, I wonder if there has already been something talked about or planned for the next ai challenge
2012-06-26T13:46:07  <n4nd0> like dates or the topic
2012-06-26T13:46:10  <mcstar> no
2012-06-26T13:46:25  <n4nd0> mcstar: ok, thank you
2012-06-26T13:46:38  <n4nd0> mcstar: do you when that will happen?
2012-06-26T13:46:52  <mcstar> know?
2012-06-26T13:46:55  <mcstar> no
2012-06-26T13:47:31  <antimatroid> n3nd0: we're waiting on some technical stuff to get sorted
2012-06-26T13:47:36  <antimatroid> like becoming a non-profit etc.
2012-06-26T13:47:45  <antimatroid> which as far as i know isn't being done :P
2012-06-26T13:47:46  <mcstar> antimatroid: i like your pun
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2012-06-26T13:48:09  <antimatroid> mcstar: you're going to have to spell it out for me :P
2012-06-26T13:48:23  <mcstar> n3nd0 n4nd0
2012-06-26T13:48:52  <antimatroid> what's the pun? :S
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2012-06-26T13:49:37  <n4nd0> antimatroid, mcstar: thank yoU!
2012-06-26T13:49:53  <mcstar> well, his nick is 13345p34k, and you purposefull changed the 4 to 3 to make it funny
2012-06-26T13:50:08  <antimatroid> okay, let's go with that :P
2012-06-26T13:50:13  <antimatroid> and not blame the time
2012-06-26T13:50:26  <antimatroid> (it's 3:50am and i've been marking exams :()
2012-06-26T13:50:34  <Zannick> :()
2012-06-26T13:50:48  <mcstar> great, and in the meantime, you forgot about the beloved Tab key
2012-06-26T13:50:54  <mcstar> np
2012-06-26T13:51:11  <antimatroid> i usually only use tab for long names
2012-06-26T13:51:16  <antimatroid> or if i want to see if someone i know is in the channel
2012-06-26T13:51:37  <antimatroid> before i bombard a nic which isn't even here aha
2012-06-26T13:51:59  <mcstar> antimatroid: i dont like mixing letters with numbers when i type
2012-06-26T13:52:13  <mcstar> so even for short names, i tab till it finds the right one
2012-06-26T13:52:16  <antimatroid> it certainly slows me down
2012-06-26T13:52:21  <antimatroid> i have to look at the keyboard
2012-06-26T13:52:46  <antimatroid> if i tab on m it just gives me a list of 4 names
2012-06-26T13:53:01  <mcstar> mine cycles through
2012-06-26T13:53:01  <antimatroid> i have to keep going till it can get a unique match for tab to actually put the username in for me
2012-06-26T13:53:11  <antimatroid> pesky pidgeon, i prefer yours
2012-06-26T13:53:20  <antimatroid> 5* names
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2012-06-26T13:53:25  <antimatroid> i'm n-1 man today apparently
2012-06-26T13:54:19  <mcstar> it's runtime
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2012-06-26T14:26:09  <andermall> hello
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2012-06-26T15:04:56  <antimatroid> exam question "what will be the corresponding optimal bana consumption x_b?" student's answer "no"
2012-06-26T15:07:41  <mcstar> what is a bana consumption?
2012-06-26T15:08:11  <mcstar> (otherwise its funny)
2012-06-26T15:08:15  <Zannick> x_b obviously
2012-06-26T15:10:20  <mcstar> x_b denotes the optimal bana consumption, but it does not answer what is a bana consumption
2012-06-26T15:10:38  <mcstar> you joker
2012-06-26T15:16:37  <Zannick> right, so since x_b is the optimal bana consumption, it is *a* bana consumption
2012-06-26T15:16:42  <Zannick> :P
2012-06-26T15:17:37  <antimatroid> this is not doing me any good for my faith in humanity
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2012-06-26T15:26:37  <mcstar> btw, i have a hunch, he meant to write banana
2012-06-26T15:26:44  <mcstar> it would make some sense
2012-06-26T15:27:42  <antimatroid> :p
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2012-06-26T17:09:34  <delt0r_> hay just ran into the aigamedev guys here in vienna
2012-06-26T17:10:40  <delt0r_> they are very keen to have some direct involvement in the next round *if* we can sort out the "contact jeff" issue
2012-06-26T17:11:03  <delt0r_> @later tell amstan read the two lines above....
2012-06-26T17:11:03  <contestbot> delt0r_: Job's done.
2012-06-26T17:11:12  <delt0r_> dose that give a time?
2012-06-26T17:11:12  <Zannick> if the nonprofit account is set up we won't need to contact jeff specificially
2012-06-26T17:11:18  <Zannick> specifically *
2012-06-26T17:11:21  <delt0r_> yea
2012-06-26T17:11:39  <delt0r_> not so easy to do in America as i understand
2012-06-26T17:12:39  <mcstar> the land of the free
2012-06-26T17:13:06  <delt0r_> Zannick: either way, something needs to be sorted out ...
2012-06-26T17:13:06  <Zannick> well i think it'll be a canadian one... amstan knows the details
2012-06-26T17:13:08  <mcstar> wait, why the US?
2012-06-26T17:13:22  <delt0r_> well how is it in Canada
2012-06-26T17:13:36  <delt0r_> here you just kinda say... we are noprofit...
2012-06-26T17:13:37  <delt0r_> done
2012-06-26T17:13:43  <delt0r_> no application and stuff
2012-06-26T17:13:58  <Zannick> @rainbow TAX LAW
2012-06-26T17:13:58  <contestbot> Zannick: TAX LAW
2012-06-26T17:14:11  <delt0r_> I just know the US is really hard. ie Couch surfing could not get non profit status
2012-06-26T17:15:06  <mcstar> delt0r_: you mean e.g. not i.e.
2012-06-26T17:15:11  <delt0r_> yea
2012-06-26T17:15:14  <mcstar> :)
2012-06-26T17:16:36  <mcstar> delt0r_: how did you run into them?
2012-06-26T17:16:40  <mcstar> pub?
2012-06-26T17:17:22  <mcstar> did they finish that 3d dev sdk thingy?
2012-06-26T17:36:45  <delt0r_> tametick organized a vienna game dev thing
2012-06-26T17:36:50  <delt0r_> mcstar: ^
2012-06-26T17:37:02  <delt0r_> about 10 people showed up
2012-06-26T17:37:10  <delt0r_> so i think its really going to work
2012-06-26T17:37:18  <delt0r_> weekly thing
2012-06-26T17:37:43  <delt0r_> well a guy organized it
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