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I don't mind steam so much since I would be getting $10 games mostly 2012-08-05T08:44:11 * antimatroid has never used steam anyway 2012-08-05T08:44:13 i only need my hl, hl2 anyway, those are offline games 2012-08-05T08:44:17 i don't like the concept though 2012-08-05T08:44:17 in which case i don't mind the implied "rent till can't be bothered" 2012-08-05T08:44:43 if i buy a game, i want to be able to play it when i want to in the future 2012-08-05T08:44:50 as long as people are not tricked into it... ie it is clear at the start... i don't mind 2012-08-05T08:44:54 but you didnt buy the game!~ 2012-08-05T08:45:01 you bought the right to play it 2012-08-05T08:45:08 delt0r: but then all services become like that and nobody is left with a real choice 2012-08-05T08:45:21 antimatroid: try playing something for the amaiga 500 today...! 2012-08-05T08:45:25 you have a choice: leave that alone 2012-08-05T08:45:28 mcstar: yeah, and I don't like that way of doing things, that's what i'm saying 2012-08-05T08:45:38 mcstar: i wont have a choice when all services are like that 2012-08-05T08:45:43 antimatroid: dont' pay... don't play.. you always have a chioce..and its only games... 2012-08-05T08:45:55 I don't play anymore because that mean booting to windows 2012-08-05T08:46:07 so rather than do that --i hardly play anymore 2012-08-05T08:46:10 it might not always be only games 2012-08-05T08:46:14 steam on linux may change that 2012-08-05T08:46:16 lol there are much more serious bullshit going on in finance and law 2012-08-05T08:46:26 who cares for some games 2012-08-05T08:46:31 mcstar speaks the truth 2012-08-05T08:46:42 lol that's like saying all problems but starvation in third world are irrelevant 2012-08-05T08:46:49 antimatroid: free as in beer and GPL whatever is not going away 2012-08-05T08:47:06 yeah and i'll continue to only use open source where possible 2012-08-05T08:47:18 but i don't like the idea of in the future not being able to actually purchase stuff 2012-08-05T08:47:26 that means at the very least there is always an alternative. 2012-08-05T08:47:36 if everything moves to cloud storage and server based it'll all work like that 2012-08-05T08:49:00 * mcstar visions that some day in the near future google will retain rights to everyone's deleted email 2012-08-05T08:49:19 i wonder if they have a plan with their great idea of 'dont delete emails' 2012-08-05T08:49:35 maybe they use them as an iformation source for their machine learning stuff 2012-08-05T08:52:12 *** Scooper has joined #aichallenge 2012-08-05T08:53:19 antimatroid: what was the game you wanted to play? 2012-08-05T08:57:25 wrt user generated information: 2012-08-05T08:57:28 you expressly grant Valve and its affiliates the complete and irrevocable right to use, reproduce, modify, create derivative works from, distribute, transmit, broadcast, and otherwise communicate, and publicly display and perform the User Generated Information and derivative works thereof in any form, anywhere, with or without attribution to you, and without any notice or compensation to you of any kind. 2012-08-05T08:59:07 the original activation key will not be able to be registered to any other account, even if the game or application was purchased in a retail store. 2012-08-05T09:25:14 *** aarossig_ is now known as aarossig 2012-08-05T09:25:22 *** aarossig has joined #aichallenge 2012-08-05T09:33:04 *** foRei has joined #aichallenge 2012-08-05T10:54:00 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-08-05T10:54:17 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2012-08-05T11:36:50 *** pairofdice has quit IRC (Quit: In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni.) 2012-08-05T11:48:05 hey look at my awesome new web page: http://178.11.44.234/ 2012-08-05T11:55:55 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2012-08-05T11:55:55 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2012-08-05T12:21:29 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2012-08-05T13:15:24 *** UncleVasya has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-08-05T13:24:44 Next update in -43h -23m 2012-08-05T13:25:11 hm, it is really yours 2012-08-05T13:27:50 oh, you wrote the side in D? 2012-08-05T13:45:41 *** ZanniqlcKzxkq has joined #aichallenge 2012-08-05T13:46:11 *** Zannick has quit IRC (Disconnected by services) 2012-08-05T13:46:16 *** ZanniqlcKzxkq is now known as Zannick 2012-08-05T13:46:26 *** AlliedEnvy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-08-05T13:46:39 *** pairofdice has joined #aichallenge 2012-08-05T13:47:01 *** ronchamon has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-08-05T13:47:08 *** ronchamon has joined #aichallenge 2012-08-05T14:00:37 lol at the medal tally for australia 2012-08-05T14:00:58 and japan and russia 2012-08-05T14:04:28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0 2012-08-05T14:04:40 *** ronchamon has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2012-08-05T14:04:59 mcstar: yes, I wrote the website in D after I started in PHP. I had to collect quite a few parts from the community though to get it working. 2012-08-05T14:05:21 the timer is correct, I just haven't implemented a background thread to do the update yet 2012-08-05T14:05:44 also I don't trust it not to erase my database by accident :p 2012-08-05T14:05:53 haha 2012-08-05T14:06:46 bah :( 2012-08-05T14:06:53 there's no streams for the aussie hockey match on right now 2012-08-05T14:06:55 at one time the layout looked horrible because some idiot used a 128x128 favicon.png :p 2012-08-05T14:07:02 and the shitty tv channel here isn't showing it either atm 2012-08-05T14:07:09 antimatroid: web tv? 2012-08-05T14:07:18 http://www.sportlemon.tv/ :P 2012-08-05T14:07:32 mleise: have you thought of registering a domain name? XD 2012-08-05T14:07:40 my real portal to watching the olympics 2012-08-05T14:08:11 mcstar: I wont pay a penny for this. I'll ask someone for a free server :D 2012-08-05T14:08:18 it's 4am, i am awake to watch this game :( 2012-08-05T14:08:40 i see, you dont host teh codez 2012-08-05T14:09:06 antimatroid: what was the game from steam that you wanted to play? 2012-08-05T14:09:14 none 2012-08-05T14:09:22 it wasn't from me 2012-08-05T14:09:32 :( 2012-08-05T14:09:42 why the reaction then? 2012-08-05T14:10:36 ok, you dont approve, but you dont want to play either... 2012-08-05T14:10:45 antimatroid: what was mario galazy like? did you try it out? 2012-08-05T14:10:53 *** ronchamon has joined #aichallenge 2012-08-05T14:11:05 only for a little bit, ended up going out last night 2012-08-05T14:11:13 seems fun so far 2012-08-05T14:11:58 pairofdice: korean? 2012-08-05T14:12:14 Sure, korean 2012-08-05T14:12:20 Not that it matters much 2012-08-05T14:12:44 it explains the weird language 2012-08-05T14:15:24 *** GeorgeH has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-08-05T14:16:00 *** g0llum has joined #aichallenge 2012-08-05T14:16:56 *** GeorgeH has joined #aichallenge 2012-08-05T14:17:48 woo, hockey is on 2012-08-05T14:17:52 just in time for the first goal 2012-08-05T14:18:41 oh wait, maybe that was a replay 2012-08-05T14:18:43 just got another aha 2012-08-05T14:19:13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odOusOPkEGQ&feature=endscreen&NR=1 2012-08-05T14:19:17 pairofdice: ^^ 2012-08-05T14:20:51 this is a great idea 2012-08-05T14:20:55 i go buy a webcam 2012-08-05T14:21:02 and ill record my reactions to things 2012-08-05T14:21:22 ofc, ill always have a poker face 2012-08-05T14:21:25 thats the pun 2012-08-05T14:38:46 *** amstan_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-08-05T14:38:46 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan_ 2012-08-05T14:51:16 argh 2012-08-05T14:51:20 i don't want to watch 100m semi's 2012-08-05T14:51:23 i want to watch the hockey 2012-08-05T14:59:47 mleise: whats 'scope'? 2012-08-05T14:59:53 *** kilae has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2012-08-05T15:00:39 where is scope ? well it is usefull when you need to free resources for example and you'd have to do it in a try catch 2012-08-05T15:00:52 where allocation and freeing will be miles apart in code 2012-08-05T15:01:18 hm 2012-08-05T15:01:20 so you just write scope(exit/failure) res.free; right after the resource allocation 2012-08-05T15:01:43 it's a really neat feature compared to java and the like 2012-08-05T15:01:45 is it possible, that the resource is freed when it goes out of scope? 2012-08-05T15:02:14 that too, but imagine you just used malloc() 2012-08-05T15:02:45 this is a bit weird/cloudy for me 2012-08-05T15:02:50 there are pointers in D 2012-08-05T15:03:10 these girls and that song you posted ... oh my 2012-08-05T15:03:18 so, how can an object be garbage collected if i can have a pointer point ot it? 2012-08-05T15:03:27 mleise: i didnt watch it 2012-08-05T15:03:35 it was a random response video for pairofdice 2012-08-05T15:03:50 :p 2012-08-05T15:04:18 I dodn't want to watch it, but when I started the video, you asked me what scope is, so I had them saying "lol, omg, i knew it" all the time :p 2012-08-05T15:04:55 best comment was "I buy your web cam for 350$ if you don't replace it, ok?" 2012-08-05T15:05:06 :D 2012-08-05T15:05:22 what does that mean? the girls sucked? 2012-08-05T15:06:04 uh why do i think the wrong thing now? well, yes that video was weird. 2012-08-05T15:06:12 pointers 2012-08-05T15:06:31 well, the GC works with pointers 2012-08-05T15:06:44 really? 2012-08-05T15:06:47 it knows which memory blocks it allocated (easy) 2012-08-05T15:06:51 yeah 2012-08-05T15:07:05 but if i can take the address of something? 2012-08-05T15:07:08 and then it traverses all known pointers and checks if anything still points into GC memory 2012-08-05T15:07:17 are there references? 2012-08-05T15:07:24 if its a reference, i can understand 2012-08-05T15:07:26 these blocks that are references somewhere aren't freed 2012-08-05T15:07:28 but nit with pointers 2012-08-05T15:07:38 not* 2012-08-05T15:07:39 references ~= pointers 2012-08-05T15:07:46 no 2012-08-05T15:08:12 at least, wrt c++, you have to initialize a reference 2012-08-05T15:08:17 and you can do it only once 2012-08-05T15:08:29 this makes sense, and i can see how a GC can handle that 2012-08-05T15:08:36 but a pointer is too arbitrary 2012-08-05T15:08:46 yes, so is the garbage collection 2012-08-05T15:08:55 it just checks every pointer it finds 2012-08-05T15:09:19 it looks at the stack and at so called 'roots' 2012-08-05T15:09:24 *** kilae has joined #aichallenge 2012-08-05T15:09:40 those are the entry points, like global variables that are statically known 2012-08-05T15:10:28 what if a pointer points to a part of a resource? 2012-08-05T15:10:33 if a root is a binary tree node, for example, the GC knows from the type info that it contains 2 pointers and will check them as well 2012-08-05T15:10:39 like, a member in an class 2012-08-05T15:10:41 or similar 2012-08-05T15:10:42 what is a resource? 2012-08-05T15:10:45 or an element of an array 2012-08-05T15:10:48 memory? 2012-08-05T15:10:52 yes 2012-08-05T15:11:20 well, then it knows that the pointer points inside of a memory block that is annotated 'instance of class X' 2012-08-05T15:11:27 and it will keep the object alive 2012-08-05T15:11:30 but how can it know that? 2012-08-05T15:11:50 when you allocate an object the GC tags that memory block used for it 2012-08-05T15:12:07 there is always a type info associated with each memory block 2012-08-05T15:12:32 at least that's my understanding 2012-08-05T15:12:47 it doesnt click for me 2012-08-05T15:12:52 no? 2012-08-05T15:12:55 no 2012-08-05T15:13:15 reminds me of myself, when i tried to understand your haskell code 2012-08-05T15:13:23 XD 2012-08-05T15:13:59 let me write down a contrived example 2012-08-05T15:14:00 you write "new Object", and the GC will allocate a block large enough for that object + some meta info 2012-08-05T15:14:19 the meta info can be as simple as the type id 2012-08-05T15:14:31 lets say, you have an object, thats basically an array of something, lets say ints 2012-08-05T15:14:36 so class Object may be id #1 2012-08-05T15:14:47 waaaiiiiit 2012-08-05T15:14:58 *** kilae has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-08-05T15:15:00 the object has a field like int[1234] ? 2012-08-05T15:15:15 or is it a dynamic array of int[] 2012-08-05T15:15:17 not necessarily 2012-08-05T15:15:22 it can have anything 2012-08-05T15:15:27 *** kilae has joined #aichallenge 2012-08-05T15:15:27 let me write this down 2012-08-05T15:15:32 you confuse me 2012-08-05T15:15:40 cont'd 2012-08-05T15:15:40 but don't break the type system ok? 2012-08-05T15:16:37 so, if i take the address of that object, and assign it to a pointer, when the gc checks the poiters, it can compare the value of the pointer to the starting address of allocated obejcts 2012-08-05T15:17:05 so it can see, whether the pointer points to something meaningful, and wont free the resource 2012-08-05T15:17:25 but what does it do when i took the address of a member variable of an object? 2012-08-05T15:17:39 since that address wont be the starting address of the allocated obejct 2012-08-05T15:18:19 easy, the GC never ever relied on the 'start address' in the first place 2012-08-05T15:18:37 it looks at memory ranges and is only concerned about the pointer pointing into that range 2012-08-05T15:18:46 aha 2012-08-05T15:19:00 i thought dealing with ranges wasnt too efficient 2012-08-05T15:19:13 so i tried to solve the problem without allocation ranges 2012-08-05T15:19:28 well, it is a systems language. it has a hard time with garbage collection. 2012-08-05T15:20:03 Java can implement far more effective algorithms, because of what was your concern 2012-08-05T15:20:28 there is no pointer into some other range or good old "unions" or even void* 2012-08-05T15:26:25 i wonder what problem you are trying to solve? 2012-08-05T15:28:11 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2012-08-05T15:31:30 me? 2012-08-05T15:31:34 nothing at all 2012-08-05T15:42:54 *** alehorst1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2012-08-05T15:49:01 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2012-08-05T15:58:11 *** ronchaine has joined #aichallenge 2012-08-05T15:58:40 *** ronchamon has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-08-05T16:01:48 *** alehorst has joined #aichallenge 2012-08-05T16:02:16 *** UncleVasya has joined #aichallenge 2012-08-05T16:12:24 *** g0llum has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-08-05T16:16:38 my first cam movie in ages 2012-08-05T16:16:47 what was i thinking... 2012-08-05T16:18:40 lol 2012-08-05T16:18:46 what were you thinking? 2012-08-05T16:19:06 tmd from kazaa? 2012-08-05T16:19:30 idk what tmd is and never used kazaa 2012-08-05T16:19:40 i wanted to watch this movie 2012-08-05T16:19:42 old cam release group 2012-08-05T16:19:51 i used to download them from kazaa on dial up 2012-08-05T16:19:52 but i should have waited for a blu ray rip 2012-08-05T16:19:54 way back in the day 2012-08-05T16:20:10 the audio is terrible 2012-08-05T16:20:21 i hardly understand what they are speaking 2012-08-05T16:20:22 everything about cams are unbearable 2012-08-05T16:20:32 i'm not sure if i could even put up with a tc these days 2012-08-05T16:20:33 the picture is cropped badly on the sides 2012-08-05T16:20:55 btw, its Prometheus 2012-08-05T16:21:08 never heard of it 2012-08-05T16:21:17 i don't watch many movies 2012-08-05T16:21:27 scifi, so im not surprised you never heard of it XD 2012-08-05T16:24:13 did i mention arabic subtitles? 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