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2012-08-10T05:17:11  <antimatroid1> "If my pure maths degree doesn't work out, I'll probably do some kind of manual job like brain surgery or something." ahaha
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2012-08-10T08:02:58  <mcstar> lecturer says this in a youtube video:
2012-08-10T08:03:17  <mcstar> e to the minus beta, where beta is the inverse temperature as always
2012-08-10T08:03:34  <mcstar> this is what the automatic subtitler gives:
2012-08-10T08:03:57  <mcstar> heat of the miners' baidoa david's in this temperature as always
2012-08-10T08:04:57  <mcstar> lol
2012-08-10T08:05:23  <mcstar> p squared over two m => peace quiet over to end
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2012-08-10T08:11:02  <mcstar> the two integrations, notice that in the exponent the p squared and x squared add => the two integrations noticed enemy exponent of the peace cuisine the exquisite ad
2012-08-10T08:11:05  <mcstar> megalol
2012-08-10T08:11:48  <delt0r> mcstar: wtf? are you on drugs?
2012-08-10T08:12:29  <mcstar> delt0r: this is the youtube subtitle of one of leonard susskind's statistical mechanics lecture
2012-08-10T08:13:01  <delt0r> right
2012-08-10T08:15:37  <mcstar> delt0r: poor guy is a good lecturer, but he has great problems with formulas, he looses track of symbols too frequently, but i guess, thats because of his age
2012-08-10T08:16:22  <mcstar> lol
2012-08-10T08:16:29  <mcstar> integrals => any other girls
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2012-08-10T08:28:35  <mcstar> theres an option to translate the subtitle from english...
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2012-08-10T10:48:28  <antimatroid1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCiY1y3uJ3o&feature=g-all-u
2012-08-10T10:48:30  <antimatroid1> that's sick
2012-08-10T10:54:50  <antimatroid1> mcstar: watch that :P
2012-08-10T10:55:39  <antimatroid1> at 30 seconds is the best
2012-08-10T11:20:03  <mcstar> antimatroid1: one fit girl with a nice looking mustache
2012-08-10T11:20:10  <antimatroid1> :p
2012-08-10T11:24:10  <antimatroid1> mcstar: pretty cool though right?
2012-08-10T11:25:25  <mcstar> sort of funny, but the guy didt articulate really well, and the webcam's recording wasnt very continuous
2012-08-10T11:27:20  <mcstar> antimatroid1: watch 'sexy and he knows it'
2012-08-10T11:28:57  <antimatroid1> guy is awesome
2012-08-10T11:32:23  <mcstar> i hope when they did the shooting, they actually played the music on loudspeakers
2012-08-10T11:32:36  <mcstar> otherwise it would really seem pretty lame
2012-08-10T11:33:02  <mcstar> guy tries to bone everything...
2012-08-10T11:33:21  <antimatroid1> i think people wouldn't know how to react if he didn't
2012-08-10T11:33:26  <antimatroid1> look at the first video at 30 seconds
2012-08-10T11:33:36  <antimatroid1> my favourite guy
2012-08-10T11:36:03  <mcstar> i think im going to look at girls for a while
2012-08-10T11:38:51  <mcstar> antimatroid1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSArz0T3H3w&feature=relmfu&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D7CpnAnuHzKo%26feature%3Drelmfu
2012-08-10T11:45:48  <pairofdice> you can remove everything after and including the first &
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2012-08-10T11:47:37  <mcstar> you can copy it that way
2012-08-10T11:53:58  <thestinger> pentadactyl yanks the short links :P
2012-08-10T11:56:45  <mcstar> pentadactyl hurts my firefox
2012-08-10T12:01:42  <mcstar> 'i got to go pee in the ocean, see you guys'
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2012-08-10T12:47:09  <antimatroid1> why the fuck is synchronised swimming in the olympics?
2012-08-10T12:47:21  <antimatroid1> might as well add ballroom dancing
2012-08-10T12:48:49  <mcstar> yeah, or cross-dressing...
2012-08-10T12:48:58  <mcstar> fags
2012-08-10T12:52:39  <pairofdice> dressage.
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2012-08-10T13:22:01  <antimatroid1> mcstar: wut?
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2012-08-10T13:32:38  <mcstar> wut wut?
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2012-08-10T13:32:45  <mcstar> are you a dog or something?
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2012-08-10T13:35:52  <antimatroid1> (02:48:41) mcstar: yeah, or cross-dressing...
2012-08-10T13:35:52  <antimatroid1> (02:48:49) mcstar: fags
2012-08-10T13:35:52  <antimatroid1> wut?
2012-08-10T14:11:58  <mcstar> 02:48:49
2012-08-10T14:12:00  <mcstar> jesus christ
2012-08-10T14:12:06  <mcstar> sleep dammit
2012-08-10T14:18:12  <antimatroid1> i'm waiting for the gold medal hockey game at 5am
2012-08-10T14:18:16  <antimatroid1> it's now 4:18am
2012-08-10T14:18:32  <antimatroid1> for women this is
2012-08-10T14:18:35  <antimatroid1> the mens is tomorrow night
2012-08-10T14:19:41  <antimatroid1> http://i.imgur.com/UZt3z.jpg
2012-08-10T14:19:41  <antimatroid1> ahaha
2012-08-10T14:22:58  <mcstar> yeah, i came to the same conclusion, that man needs seriously some upper body workout
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2012-08-10T15:00:50  <antimatroid1> mcstar: hockey time
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2012-08-10T15:52:10  <mcstar> good luck
2012-08-10T15:52:16  <mcstar> im off to bed
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2012-08-10T18:48:21  <jmcarthur> i dont know the current status of things here, since i have not been keeping up lately, but whatever has been going on i have some fuel for the fire... typing on phone, then going away for a few hours, but i wanted to just say now so there will be some discussion already by the time i get back...
2012-08-10T18:50:10  <jmcarthur> my employer *may* be looking into running or sponsoring a mock electronic trading competition in the future
2012-08-10T18:50:43  <jmcarthur> i think it is very likely, myself
2012-08-10T18:51:06  <jmcarthur> it would be a part of a recruiting effort
2012-08-10T18:51:27  <amstan_> jmcarthur: interesting
2012-08-10T18:52:00  <Zannick> hft?
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2012-08-10T19:04:47  <jmcarthur> not quite hft necessarily (we are not really hft)
2012-08-10T19:05:42  <jmcarthur> anyway, i mostly just wanted to see what the reception here would be lile if thete was an offer to sponsor such a thing
2012-08-10T19:06:00  <jmcarthur> and this connection is painful, so i need to ho for now
2012-08-10T19:06:04  <jmcarthur> *go
2012-08-10T19:06:17  <jmcarthur> bbl
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2012-08-10T20:16:42  <delt0r> God dam hft
2012-08-10T20:17:11  <delt0r> worked with too many who dam well better...
2012-08-10T20:17:22  <delt0r> yes i did economics at uni
2012-08-10T20:17:41  <delt0r> hft is crock of ****
2012-08-10T20:17:55  <delt0r> if it was so good for everyone
2012-08-10T20:18:27  <delt0r> everyone would be allowed to participate
2012-08-10T20:18:33  <delt0r> QED
2012-08-10T20:28:46  <jmcarthur> i'm not convinced either way on hft, since that's not what i do
2012-08-10T20:28:58  <jmcarthur> also, hi :)
2012-08-10T20:29:37  <jmcarthur> there are definitely very unethical strategies that hft firms can (and probably do) use
2012-08-10T20:33:04  <jmcarthur> but i'm not prepared to attack or defend hft at all, although i might be willing to attack or defend specific strategies
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2012-08-10T20:42:14  <delt0r> jmcarthur: then why can't we be part of it?
2012-08-10T20:42:29  <delt0r> why do you need to be special to do HFT
2012-08-10T20:43:03  <delt0r> several people have made a lot put of it... then they where told ...
2012-08-10T20:43:10  <delt0r> sorry no cigar
2012-08-10T20:43:15  <delt0r> you are not uys
2012-08-10T20:43:17  <delt0r> us
2012-08-10T20:43:23  <delt0r> here is a fine
2012-08-10T20:43:29  <delt0r> go to prison
2012-08-10T20:43:33  <delt0r> Really!
2012-08-10T20:43:53  <delt0r> you must be in the special crowed to be allowed to do it
2012-08-10T20:44:39  <delt0r> when your machines or algorithms barf/// you just get it all reversed
2012-08-10T20:44:54  <delt0r> anyone can win when you can undo wrong moves
2012-08-10T20:45:27  <delt0r> but we are not allowed... that mean the whole "HFT is good" is nothing but a pile of bs
2012-08-10T20:46:20  <jmcarthur> i'm not going to change what i am and am not willing to argue about
2012-08-10T20:47:14  <jmcarthur> in fact, i agreed with you that there are unethical things hft can do and haven't even said anything positive about it
2012-08-10T20:49:15  <delt0r> said like everyone who works in HFT
2012-08-10T20:49:23  <delt0r> good luck with that
2012-08-10T20:49:23  <jmcarthur> i don't work in hft
2012-08-10T20:49:43  <jmcarthur> hft works on small time scales we don't even really think about
2012-08-10T20:50:26  <delt0r> ms is not a small time scale --- its a bs time scale
2012-08-10T20:50:55  <delt0r> so why is 40% of the financial market HFT?
2012-08-10T20:51:11  <jmcarthur> 40% of what number?
2012-08-10T20:51:18  <delt0r> its a tax on all of us who don't have the legal privilege
2012-08-10T20:51:49  <delt0r> 40% of last year financial market profit was from HFT
2012-08-10T20:51:59  <jmcarthur> source?
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2012-08-10T20:52:22  <delt0r> This is not the best time... i will get it tomorrow
2012-08-10T20:52:25  <jmcarthur> alright
2012-08-10T20:53:09  <delt0r> but i have a few freinds that work in the sector
2012-08-10T20:53:31  <delt0r> also i did economics at uni
2012-08-10T20:53:32  <jmcarthur> do you know / are you allowed to say  what company/companies?
2012-08-10T20:53:42  <delt0r> HFT is a pile of shite
2012-08-10T20:53:59  <jmcarthur> still not sure why you're trying to argue with me about this
2012-08-10T20:54:06  <delt0r> jmcarthur: i have signed many NDA
2012-08-10T20:54:13  <delt0r> ???
2012-08-10T20:54:50  <delt0r> guess i don't either... other than i want society to kick it in the arse
2012-08-10T20:54:55  <delt0r> it helps no oner
2012-08-10T20:54:57  <delt0r> one
2012-08-10T20:55:38  <delt0r> well except privileged rich duchbags
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2012-08-10T21:01:25  <jmcarthur> delt0r: so i take it you are against any form of mock electronic trading competition?
2012-08-10T21:01:49  <jmcarthur> or, perhaps, against sponsorship from a market maker?
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2012-08-10T21:06:48  <delt0r> jmcarthur: i am against anything that involves special privileges to a small group over the rest of us
2012-08-10T21:07:04  <delt0r> if its good for the goose
2012-08-10T21:07:16  <delt0r> its good for the gander
2012-08-10T21:07:19  <jmcarthur> an example of such a special privilege?
2012-08-10T21:07:27  <delt0r> HFT!
2012-08-10T21:07:37  <jmcarthur> that is a style of trading, not a privilege
2012-08-10T21:07:54  <jmcarthur> what are they granted that others are not?
2012-08-10T21:08:01  <delt0r> only very selected "hedge" funds or otherwise are perimeted
2012-08-10T21:08:16  <delt0r> the rest of us are *not*
2012-08-10T21:08:44  <delt0r> That is a special privileg
2012-08-10T21:08:46  <delt0r> e
2012-08-10T21:08:53  <jmcarthur> i guess i just need a source for this claim. i find it a bit vague
2012-08-10T21:08:58  <delt0r> if it was soo dam good for everyone
2012-08-10T21:09:11  <delt0r> we would all be allowed to do it
2012-08-10T21:09:27  <delt0r> but that is noting but bs to justify what they do
2012-08-10T21:10:13  <delt0r> jmcarthur: fine --- organize your own HFT...
2012-08-10T21:10:18  <delt0r> you can't
2012-08-10T21:10:27  <jmcarthur> then how did hft firms start?
2012-08-10T21:10:27  <delt0r> You are not the few
2012-08-10T21:10:36  <delt0r> Goldman ....
2012-08-10T21:10:42  <delt0r> shech
2012-08-10T21:10:48  <jmcarthur> this alone proves that we are not hft
2012-08-10T21:10:51  <delt0r> have you followed this at all?
2012-08-10T21:10:54  <jmcarthur> at least by your definition
2012-08-10T21:11:03  <delt0r> Whatever
2012-08-10T21:11:12  <delt0r> get out of the box
2012-08-10T21:11:16  <delt0r> look around
2012-08-10T21:11:28  <delt0r> it is really really doggy
2012-08-10T21:11:28  <jmcarthur> calm down, i think you misunderstand my position here
2012-08-10T21:11:58  <delt0r>  nothing personal... but seriously.... have you really looked at it properly?
2012-08-10T21:12:04  <delt0r> I think not
2012-08-10T21:12:15  <jmcarthur> you're making very angry crazy-sounding accusations and i'm just wanting some clarification because i'm not even sure what rules you're talking about
2012-08-10T21:12:15  <delt0r> anyway... need to go home
2012-08-10T21:12:20  <delt0r> ???
2012-08-10T21:12:25  <delt0r> I am not angry
2012-08-10T21:12:37  <delt0r> i am dancing to good rock
2012-08-10T21:12:38  <jmcarthur> alright, i'm just reading you that way
2012-08-10T21:12:45  <delt0r> sorry
2012-08-10T21:12:50  <jmcarthur> sokay
2012-08-10T21:12:51  <delt0r> you are reading it wrong
2012-08-10T21:13:04  <jmcarthur> then i will read over again with that new understanding
2012-08-10T21:13:08  <delt0r> not the way i am saying it in my head at least
2012-08-10T21:13:42  <delt0r> but at least i think this is a good time to sign off...
2012-08-10T21:13:56  <jmcarthur> alright. get home safely
2012-08-10T21:14:09  <delt0r> you too or whatever if you are home already
2012-08-10T21:14:13  <jmcarthur> home already :)
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2012-08-10T22:35:47  <antimatroid1> i have an economics degree too and I have no fucking idea about whether hft is immoral or not
2012-08-10T22:36:28  <antimatroid1> jmcarthur: to answer your question, I would be keen to participate, I'm not sure if anyone around here really has much time though
2012-08-10T22:36:31  <antimatroid1> it's pretty dead
2012-08-10T22:40:02  <antimatroid1> jmcarthur: I'm also interested in what your company does, or the cut to the chase, I'm interested in where game theory is used most with strategies in finance?
2012-08-10T22:40:41  <antimatroid1> HFT has the whole latency thing as well, and minimising latency isn't something which I personally find mentally enjoyable
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