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2012-09-03T09:02:56 tried installing ubuntu 3 times already tonight without it working 2012-09-03T09:03:02 just put an old 300gb ide drive in 2012-09-03T09:03:05 will see how that goes 2012-09-03T09:03:22 hopefully i'm not just a complete tard :P 2012-09-03T09:03:23 you know, you dont have to install an os to figure out if your hdd is working or not 2012-09-03T09:03:38 yeah, well disk checks were working fine 2012-09-03T09:03:46 but then it stopped booting just before 2012-09-03T09:03:46 what kind? 2012-09-03T09:03:53 ubuntu installer cd one 2012-09-03T09:04:06 what kind of disk check? 2012-09-03T09:04:16 no idea 2012-09-03T09:04:26 ' disk checks were working fine' 2012-09-03T09:04:29 you said that 2012-09-03T09:04:29 i ran the disk check and memory check the ubuntu installer cd had 2012-09-03T09:04:34 ok 2012-09-03T09:04:35 i don't know what they actually did 2012-09-03T09:05:26 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-09-03T09:05:58 also, i didn't give my friend enough credit 2012-09-03T09:06:04 there is a util, that writes and re-reads the disk 2012-09-03T09:06:07 he just didn't finish installing arch that night, he's got it now 2012-09-03T09:06:08 checks for errors 2012-09-03T09:06:14 i forgot what it was called 2012-09-03T09:07:20 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T09:07:28 i am sick of osx 2012-09-03T09:07:32 i want ubuntu back aha 2012-09-03T09:08:52 i think it was called testdisk 2012-09-03T09:09:30 nah 2012-09-03T09:09:37 badblcoks 2012-09-03T09:09:41 badblocks 2012-09-03T09:10:17 antimatroidl: ^^ 2012-09-03T09:10:33 you can use badblocks to destructively check the whole surface of the disk 2012-09-03T09:11:10 but, if you managed to install ubuntu on it, i dont think there is actually anything wrong with it 2012-09-03T09:11:37 it never properly booted 2012-09-03T09:11:37 antimatroidl: whats the problem now? still doesnt boot, but otherwise ok? 2012-09-03T09:11:52 last time it looked like it, but nothing would open and it claimed a read only file system 2012-09-03T09:12:00 i'm installing onto the new hdd now 2012-09-03T09:12:05 antimatroidl: try booting the installed os with the cd's bootloader 2012-09-03T09:12:37 i'm in the middle of installing :| 2012-09-03T09:12:44 i disconnected the sata drive 2012-09-03T09:12:55 if this install works, i'm going to just assume the other drive is fucked 2012-09-03T09:13:06 but thats a wrong assumption 2012-09-03T09:13:17 when a drive becomes fucked, there are other signs 2012-09-03T09:13:28 why would it repeatedly fail to install ubuntu? 2012-09-03T09:13:34 it's not like i had any options to fuck it up 2012-09-03T09:13:36 'it doesnt boot' is not a sign of a driven being fucked 2012-09-03T09:13:48 antimatroidl: you said you instlaled ubuntu 2012-09-03T09:13:51 yeah 2012-09-03T09:13:59 so why would it not work when it's finished? 2012-09-03T09:14:00 then dont say, it failed to install it 2012-09-03T09:14:12 well, it says it installed it, but it never booted and worked properly 2012-09-03T09:14:19 ok, thats different 2012-09-03T09:14:31 i've been saying this for 2 days :| 2012-09-03T09:14:34 antimatroidl: what was the previous os on that disk? 2012-09-03T09:14:42 the new one? 2012-09-03T09:14:44 no 2012-09-03T09:14:50 oh, ubuntu 2012-09-03T09:15:27 why did you want another os? 2012-09-03T09:15:41 what motivated you to install debian? 2012-09-03T09:16:00 remember my compiler somehow f'd itself? so i decided it was a good time to format 2012-09-03T09:16:05 then decided to try debian 2012-09-03T09:16:09 then this whole mess happened 2012-09-03T09:16:12 aha 2012-09-03T09:16:33 antimatroidl: when i say aha, its an acknowledgement, not haha 2012-09-03T09:16:42 just to remind you :) 2012-09-03T09:17:24 antimatroidl: well, tell me how the installation goes 2012-09-03T09:17:44 or, if you havent done the formatting, ill want to know what you do 2012-09-03T09:18:42 me done the formatting? 2012-09-03T09:18:50 http://pastebin.com/D6bSCbv7 2012-09-03T09:18:53 there's something for you then 2012-09-03T09:19:03 my product tables for F_4 and F_5 2012-09-03T09:19:20 stupid character tables 2012-09-03T09:19:37 that reminds me of them 2012-09-03T09:20:16 antimatroidl: if i knew the algorithm of calculating the product, id write up an program too 2012-09-03T09:20:24 but i didnt want to reverse engineer your c++ 2012-09-03T09:20:32 (and as usual, im busy too) 2012-09-03T09:21:18 antimatroidl: anyway, back to installation, have you done the formatting or not? 2012-09-03T09:21:26 if not, i want you to do it manually 2012-09-03T09:21:33 dont let the stupid installer handle it 2012-09-03T09:21:40 i'll do it manually if this fails 2012-09-03T09:21:46 it's like mostly done 2012-09-03T09:22:11 antimatroidl: then, will do a manual partitioning on the old disk after this is installed, ok? 2012-09-03T09:22:15 we will* 2012-09-03T09:22:41 hmm okay 2012-09-03T09:23:04 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2012-09-03T09:23:07 but if it works i want to set stuff up 2012-09-03T09:23:48 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T09:37:01 *** SJRvanSchaik has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T09:50:00 *** rofer has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-09-03T10:06:24 *** rofer has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T10:09:25 *** ecidforiap has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T10:09:36 *** mceier has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2012-09-03T10:11:29 *** pairofdice has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-09-03T10:11:44 *** Areks has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T10:18:52 Hello all. Can somebody help me. How i can use bot on java? I cant understand: when i run two test bot on python it works, when i try to run java bot it didn't work 2012-09-03T10:19:48 "python ""%~dp0sample_bots\python\HunterBot.py""" "java -jar .\sample_bots\java\HunterBot.java" first is python, second java 2012-09-03T10:27:07 whats with those quotes? 2012-09-03T10:27:24 anyway, how does it not work? 2012-09-03T10:27:50 the fix is probably to use full path 2012-09-03T10:27:59 at least, this issue came up a lot iirc 2012-09-03T10:28:34 Areks: .java is not a jar file 2012-09-03T10:28:49 you compile .java sources to .class files 2012-09-03T10:28:59 and after that i think with some magic you can make a jar out of it 2012-09-03T10:29:03 i not a java guru 2012-09-03T10:29:15 but you dont need to provide a jar 2012-09-03T10:29:21 mcstar: yepá i already saw it ) 2012-09-03T10:29:49 java -cp fullpathtoclassfiles MainClassName 2012-09-03T10:29:52 mcstar: u mean i can compile when start bot? 2012-09-03T10:29:55 Areks: use it like that ^^ 2012-09-03T10:30:09 Areks: no, compile before you start the bot obviously 2012-09-03T10:30:35 jvm does jit, but that doesnt mean it compiles your sources on the fly 2012-09-03T10:30:47 you compile the sources to java bytecode, .class files 2012-09-03T10:30:58 and the jit will do whatever it wants with those at runtime 2012-09-03T10:34:59 *** antilame has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T10:35:09 mcstar: i can't get wireless working :( 2012-09-03T10:35:30 antilame: i can only guess who you are 2012-09-03T10:35:48 :P 2012-09-03T10:35:51 https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/internet/C/troubleshooting-wireless.html#troubleshooting-wireless-device 2012-09-03T10:35:56 i get disabled when i do that 2012-09-03T10:36:02 but i have no idea how to undisable it :| 2012-09-03T10:36:11 i tried installing the windows driver from a google search 2012-09-03T10:36:15 you use wireless with the desktop? 2012-09-03T10:36:21 yeah 2012-09-03T10:36:28 router is nowhere near my room 2012-09-03T10:36:56 usb stick or pci card? 2012-09-03T10:37:03 pci card 2012-09-03T10:37:06 old school as aha 2012-09-03T10:37:50 antilame: what does iwconfig say? 2012-09-03T10:38:26 mcstar; http://pastebin.com/BzyxGQxy 2012-09-03T10:38:46 antilame: alias sprunge="curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us" 2012-09-03T10:38:51 add this line to your .bashrc 2012-09-03T10:39:02 you can then pipe text directly to sprunge 2012-09-03T10:39:26 where is .bashrc? 2012-09-03T10:39:40 ~? 2012-09-03T10:39:44 ~/.bashrc 2012-09-03T10:40:03 after you added, . ~/.bashrc 2012-09-03T10:40:06 to reread the file 2012-09-03T10:40:47 antilame: iwlist wlan0 2012-09-03T10:41:00 that should list the available aps i think 2012-09-03T10:41:25 hang on, i'm trying to get to that place with the finder 2012-09-03T10:41:31 i can't edit text files through the terminal aha :P 2012-09-03T10:41:37 you can 2012-09-03T10:41:41 there is vi 2012-09-03T10:41:44 or even vim 2012-09-03T10:41:53 yeah but i suck with them 2012-09-03T10:41:53 maybe osx has nano 2012-09-03T10:42:09 anyway, why osx? 2012-09-03T10:42:10 how do i get to ~/.bashrc from the gui? :P 2012-09-03T10:42:16 i thought you are on your linux box 2012-09-03T10:42:16 sorry, finder was the wrong word :p 2012-09-03T10:42:19 you know what i mean 2012-09-03T10:42:31 i am 2012-09-03T10:42:33 ok 2012-09-03T10:42:35 i'm not good with computor 2012-09-03T10:42:47 antilame: i think ubuntu has nano by default 2012-09-03T10:42:51 nano ~/.bashrc 2012-09-03T10:42:58 c-x saves 2012-09-03T10:43:01 *** Areks has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2012-09-03T10:43:06 asks you where to write it 2012-09-03T10:43:08 say ok 2012-09-03T10:43:14 follow what it says 2012-09-03T10:43:18 im not using that stuff 2012-09-03T10:43:50 wait, where do i add this line? 2012-09-03T10:43:58 add it to the end 2012-09-03T10:45:29 so it says File Name to Write: /home/nick/.bashrc is that right? 2012-09-03T10:45:41 yeah 2012-09-03T10:45:47 k done that part 2012-09-03T10:45:48 its the file you opened 2012-09-03T10:46:28 what do you want me to do now? 2012-09-03T10:47:13 "to reread the file" .... what? 2012-09-03T10:47:38 you changed the bash rc file 2012-09-03T10:47:48 but you cant use the content until you resource it 2012-09-03T10:47:54 either do that 2012-09-03T10:47:57 or open another terminal 2012-09-03T10:48:04 but it is not mission critical 2012-09-03T10:48:14 new terminal open 2012-09-03T10:48:14 what i want you to do it iwlist wlan0 2012-09-03T10:48:26 is* 2012-09-03T10:48:46 if it comes up empty, repeat it a couple of times 2012-09-03T10:48:48 iwlist: unknown command 'wlan0' (check 'iwlist --help'). 2012-09-03T10:49:02 did it like over 5 times 2012-09-03T10:49:08 XD 2012-09-03T10:49:12 it gives an error 2012-09-03T10:49:16 theres no point in repeating it 2012-09-03T10:49:23 i figured, but just to be sure 2012-09-03T10:49:31 iwlist wlan0 scanning 2012-09-03T10:49:45 alias sprunge="curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us" 2012-09-03T10:49:47 err sorry 2012-09-03T10:49:52 wlan0 Failed to read scan data : Network is down 2012-09-03T10:50:52 antilame: try it with sudo 2012-09-03T10:51:12 wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down 2012-09-03T10:51:22 oh 2012-09-03T10:51:27 sucks 2012-09-03T10:51:37 to be me? 2012-09-03T10:51:46 thats a different story 2012-09-03T10:51:58 stuck on tasmania near the edge of the world... 2012-09-03T10:52:04 :) 2012-09-03T10:52:37 i don't see how that ubuntu page is meant to be helpful 2012-09-03T10:52:47 the two relevant parts just link back to each other 2012-09-03T10:52:51 antilame: if you know the name of the ap you could associate with it with ifconfig 2012-09-03T10:52:57 what kind of authentication you have? 2012-09-03T10:53:08 iwconfig* 2012-09-03T10:53:40 what do you mean by ap to associate with ifconfig? 2012-09-03T10:53:54 iwconfig 2012-09-03T10:54:06 association is the process of the card selecting an ap to talk to 2012-09-03T10:54:14 ap is access point 2012-09-03T10:54:19 the wireless router 2012-09-03T10:54:29 it has a mac address 2012-09-03T10:54:41 you can either use that, or the name of the network it provides 2012-09-03T10:54:45 called essid 2012-09-03T10:55:18 ssid? 2012-09-03T10:55:27 essid 2012-09-03T10:56:05 i have an ssid and a bssid 2012-09-03T10:56:38 ok 2012-09-03T10:56:46 i don't know the name of any ap's either 2012-09-03T10:56:50 there is difference between them, i dont know what 2012-09-03T10:57:11 well, its the name you gave to it 2012-09-03T10:57:26 let me bring me usb stick 2012-09-03T10:58:03 my 2012-09-03T10:58:29 it says "device not ready" in the menu thing on the top right no 2012-09-03T10:58:31 now* 2012-09-03T10:58:55 right below the wireless networks bit which isn't clickable 2012-09-03T10:58:57 antilame: yay, i get the same network is down 2012-09-03T10:59:03 ill troubleshoot this 2012-09-03T10:59:12 probably it will solve yours too 2012-09-03T10:59:21 antilame: dial up a bit your signal streangth 2012-09-03T10:59:29 tasmania is far away from there 2012-09-03T10:59:33 here* 2012-09-03T10:59:55 lol 2012-09-03T11:00:01 tasmania is far away from tasmania 2012-09-03T11:01:01 it's cold out here :( 2012-09-03T11:11:39 mcstar: any luck? :( 2012-09-03T11:12:04 i think my adapter must support scanning 2012-09-03T11:12:11 but it doesnt seem to 2012-09-03T11:12:16 im trying to solve that 2012-09-03T11:15:37 it sounds like ubuntu is notorious for being shit with wirless 2012-09-03T11:15:54 why do they hate me 2012-09-03T11:16:06 can't get the battery life with apple's right either 2012-09-03T11:16:12 apples* 2012-09-03T11:16:57 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T11:17:08 maybe i should buy a new wireless card :P 2012-09-03T11:17:14 this one is ridiculously old anyway 2012-09-03T11:19:04 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPP5Bvtr2Dg 2012-09-03T11:22:41 antilame: whats the chipset of the card? 2012-09-03T11:23:06 mcstar: can i check that from the terminal? 2012-09-03T11:23:10 otherwise i have no idea 2012-09-03T11:24:23 yes 2012-09-03T11:26:11 … how? :P 2012-09-03T11:26:33 i'm next to a heater here, i'm not on the other computer 2012-09-03T11:27:18 antimatroidl: lspci -v 2012-09-03T11:28:53 http://pastebin.com/jEx0zF5q 2012-09-03T11:30:13 Linksys WMP54G v1 802.11g PCI Adapter that? 2012-09-03T11:31:08 no 2012-09-03T11:31:10 BCM4306 2012-09-03T11:31:21 broadcom chipset 2012-09-03T11:31:23 yeah i saw that after, sorry :P 2012-09-03T11:32:06 lsmod |grep b43 2012-09-03T11:32:18 Kernel modules: ssb 2012-09-03T11:32:27 ^^ i dont like that 2012-09-03T11:32:30 why ssb 2012-09-03T11:34:03 what? 2012-09-03T11:34:14 what? 2012-09-03T11:34:16 im waiting 2012-09-03T11:34:32 http://pastebin.com/7vJA2qNY 2012-09-03T11:34:55 *** CIA-45 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2012-09-03T11:35:07 antilame: remember sprunge? 2012-09-03T11:35:22 i remember adding a line to something 2012-09-03T11:35:41 lsmod | grep b43 | sprunge 2012-09-03T11:35:45 thats how you use it 2012-09-03T11:35:50 (dont repeat it) 2012-09-03T11:36:34 antilame: ok, im not sure, but i dont think that card should be using b43 2012-09-03T11:36:40 it should use b43-legacy 2012-09-03T11:36:58 try blacklisting the b43 driver 2012-09-03T11:37:14 mcstar: i don't know how to do these things you ask me to do 2012-09-03T11:37:21 how do i blacklist the b43 driver? 2012-09-03T11:37:21 probably you will need a reboot, since you cannot remmod b43 as long as the card is online 2012-09-03T11:37:47 there is a file around /etc/modprobe.d , either a dedicated blacklist file 2012-09-03T11:37:50 or a .conf file 2012-09-03T11:37:53 my knowledge is near 0 with this stuff 2012-09-03T11:37:54 blacklist b43 2012-09-03T11:38:15 i have to mop up 2012-09-03T11:41:51 mcstar what do you mean by don't repeat lsmod | grep b43 | sprunge and i am in /etc/modprobe.d how do i blacklist b43 from there? :S 2012-09-03T11:42:48 ls 2012-09-03T11:42:51 oops :P 2012-09-03T11:47:34 *** antilame_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T11:48:44 porn.avi animal_porn.divx puss_n_boots_naughty.mp4 2012-09-03T11:49:10 *** antilame has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-09-03T11:49:13 antilame: dont repeat it, because i already have that paste 2012-09-03T11:49:29 so, what files are in there? 2012-09-03T11:49:51 oh, and you should figure out whether you have a b43-legacy kernel module or not 2012-09-03T11:50:17 *** AlliedEnvy has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T11:51:13 i suspect i just installed b43-legacy kernel 2012-09-03T11:52:27 mcstar: http://pastebin.com/394j7X76 2012-09-03T11:53:15 antilame_: ok, blacklist.conf is what you need to edit 2012-09-03T11:53:22 and try that damn sprunge pls 2012-09-03T11:53:53 what sprunge? 2012-09-03T11:54:18 antilame_: man, what is going on here? 2012-09-03T11:54:24 amnesia 2012-09-03T11:54:29 do you remember we added something to your bashrc? 2012-09-03T11:54:40 and i just illustrated before, how to use it? 2012-09-03T11:55:00 so do i just add blacklist BCM4306 to that file? 2012-09-03T11:55:08 no 2012-09-03T11:55:10 b43 2012-09-03T11:55:27 im not sure whether or not you need 'blacklist' 2012-09-03T11:55:33 since its the blacklist file already 2012-09-03T11:55:37 you told me not to repeat the sprunge thing? 2012-09-03T11:55:39 i think you just need to list the modules 2012-09-03T11:55:46 *** CIA-45 has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T11:55:55 antilame_: Because he had that specific list already..... 2012-09-03T11:55:58 antilame_: because you already pastebinned the output of those commands 2012-09-03T11:55:59 it already has # replaced by b43 and ssb. blacklist bcm43xx in there 2012-09-03T11:56:11 then why are you now asking me to do it? 2012-09-03T11:56:31 Because it's a pastbinnery system and you're doing it manually despite having made the alies? 2012-09-03T11:56:57 antilame_: you ls'd the /etc/modprobe.d, but you could have piped that through sprunge instead of copying it to pastebin 2012-09-03T11:57:21 you're assuming i know more than i do 2012-09-03T11:57:35 | sprunge 2012-09-03T11:57:43 antilame_: ok, so b43 is already in it, it is not commented out 2012-09-03T11:57:44 If you need to pastebin anything 2012-09-03T11:58:00 xclip -o | sprunge 2012-09-03T11:58:13 if you need to pastebin the X clipboard 2012-09-03T11:58:40 antilame_: do a reboot 2012-09-03T11:59:10 *** antilame_ has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2012-09-03T12:02:07 *** antilame has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T12:02:12 h'okay rebooted 2012-09-03T12:03:27 lsmod | grep b43 2012-09-03T12:03:32 should give b43-legacy 2012-09-03T12:03:37 or b43legacy 2012-09-03T12:04:06 http://sprunge.us/IOFJ i get that 2012-09-03T12:04:37 hm 2012-09-03T12:04:59 cat /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf | sprunge 2012-09-03T12:05:25 http://sprunge.us/hcOW 2012-09-03T12:07:06 i thought b43 was already blacklisted 2012-09-03T12:07:29 but thats a comment saying, b43 made bcm43xx obsolete 2012-09-03T12:07:43 which may or may not be b43-legacy 2012-09-03T12:07:54 do you know where are you modules? 2012-09-03T12:08:19 do you want me to add a b43 line or not? 2012-09-03T12:08:31 no i don't know where modules are 2012-09-03T12:08:45 yes 2012-09-03T12:08:47 (sorry, that sounded assholish, just trying to clarify :)) 2012-09-03T12:08:49 blacklist b43 2012-09-03T12:10:06 i don't have permission to save there 2012-09-03T12:10:09 hang on 2012-09-03T12:10:51 *** AlliedEnvy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-09-03T12:11:01 how do i change permissions? 2012-09-03T12:11:07 wont let me from the gui :P 2012-09-03T12:11:19 chmod something something yeah? 2012-09-03T12:11:37 no 2012-09-03T12:11:42 you dont need to change the permission 2012-09-03T12:11:50 you need to elevate yourself to root 2012-09-03T12:11:50 nm got it 2012-09-03T12:11:52 sudo 2012-09-03T12:11:55 yep 2012-09-03T12:12:51 so about the modules? 2012-09-03T12:13:13 doesnt matter, reboot again 2012-09-03T12:13:23 *** antilame has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2012-09-03T12:15:34 *** antilame has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T12:15:36 back 2012-09-03T12:16:17 lsmod|grep b43 2012-09-03T12:16:38 http://sprunge.us/IVgU 2012-09-03T12:17:57 ok, whatever 2012-09-03T12:18:15 what is more important is knowing what your ap is called 2012-09-03T12:18:28 and what kind of authentication you set up with it 2012-09-03T12:20:47 i'm in the network setup thing 2012-09-03T12:20:52 but not really sure what i'm looking for? 2012-09-03T12:21:48 wait 2012-09-03T12:21:49 antilame: the router's setup page? 2012-09-03T12:22:10 WPA2-PSK (best) is that relevant? 2012-09-03T12:22:17 it is 2012-09-03T12:22:22 where do you see that? 2012-09-03T12:23:12 under security in wireless 2012-09-03T12:24:01 i don't see anything useful under the quick set up part or advanced set up 2012-09-03T12:24:21 unless PPPoE is helpful 2012-09-03T12:24:21 antilame: ok, but on the ubuntu pc, or the router's config page? 2012-09-03T12:24:43 how did you connect to your router before? 2012-09-03T12:24:57 before being when? 2012-09-03T12:25:00 did you have authentication? or was it an open network? 2012-09-03T12:25:06 this is all coming from the router's config page 2012-09-03T12:25:09 before you reinstalled your os 2012-09-03T12:25:25 it was no different to now 2012-09-03T12:25:33 which is what? 2012-09-03T12:25:40 what? 2012-09-03T12:25:41 is it wpa2 authenticated? 2012-09-03T12:25:44 yes 2012-09-03T12:25:57 ok, you will need to set up wpasuplicant 2012-09-03T12:26:01 wpasupplicant 2012-09-03T12:26:18 ... 2012-09-03T12:26:39 antilame: im not familiar with the fancy gui connection managers 2012-09-03T12:26:49 last time i had to do it, i did it from the console 2012-09-03T12:27:07 but basically, just do it the last time you did it 2012-09-03T12:27:19 select the same encryption scheme as on the router 2012-09-03T12:27:25 and put your long key in it 2012-09-03T12:27:29 and it shoudl work.. 2012-09-03T12:27:59 the problem that concerned me, is that the card wasnt able to scan the networks 2012-09-03T12:28:05 it says it's installed 2012-09-03T12:28:08 and mine neither, but its a pretty new chipset 2012-09-03T12:28:09 but i dunno where to find it :| 2012-09-03T12:28:37 (i bought this for my mother's laptop, so i never had to use it on linux) 2012-09-03T12:29:15 antilame: ubuntu has some network manager which im absolutely not familiar with 2012-09-03T12:29:23 all these fancy distros have them 2012-09-03T12:31:03 what do i put as device and clone MAC? 2012-09-03T12:31:15 are they for the router and/or pc? 2012-09-03T12:31:34 you dont want to clone mac 2012-09-03T12:31:46 can you make a screenshot? 2012-09-03T12:33:20 i'm not really sure what i'm doing 2012-09-03T12:35:20 yay 2012-09-03T12:35:29 finally i could scan 2012-09-03T12:35:32 it wont let me take a screen shot when i have a menu window open 2012-09-03T12:35:37 but i dont understand 2012-09-03T12:35:44 i up'ed my interface before 2012-09-03T12:35:50 and i stilll couldnt scan 2012-09-03T12:36:10 i still have "Wireless networks" blacked out in the menu on the top right and "device not ready (firmware missing" below it 2012-09-03T12:36:20 antilame: sudo ifconfig wlan0 up 2012-09-03T12:36:43 sudo ifconfig wlan0 up 2012-09-03T12:36:46 oops 2012-09-03T12:36:56 SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory 2012-09-03T12:37:17 hm 2012-09-03T12:37:23 does iwconfig still list it? 2012-09-03T12:37:57 ihttp://sprunge.us/QZWS that? 2012-09-03T12:38:10 http://sprunge.us/QZWS ** 2012-09-03T12:38:20 aha 2012-09-03T12:38:41 thats not too good if ifconfig cant access the device 2012-09-03T12:39:23 should i just go buy a new wireless card tomorrow morning? 2012-09-03T12:39:48 it's 2:40am :| 2012-09-03T12:40:34 it worked before, so it should now too 2012-09-03T12:40:44 it was an older version of ubuntu 2012-09-03T12:40:51 i think you need that b43-legacy module 2012-09-03T12:41:00 how do i get it? 2012-09-03T12:41:01 sudo modprobe b43-legacy 2012-09-03T12:41:10 antilame: you said before you installed it 2012-09-03T12:41:16 though, i think it came already with the kernel 2012-09-03T12:41:20 FATAL: Module b43_legacy not found. 2012-09-03T12:41:26 sudo modprobe b43legacy 2012-09-03T12:41:27 i said i think i installed something similar 2012-09-03T12:41:58 it didn't come up with anything then? 2012-09-03T12:42:38 antilame: did you try it wo the dash? 2012-09-03T12:42:59 http://pastebin.com/qsAyTNmA 2012-09-03T12:43:45 antilame: just tell me, it didnt complain 2012-09-03T12:43:52 thats the sign of no error 2012-09-03T12:43:57 so you loaded the module 2012-09-03T12:44:04 [02:40] it didn't come up with anything then? 2012-09-03T12:44:24 antilame: there was a question mark at the end 2012-09-03T12:44:28 i did tell you it didn't complain in a roundabout way :P 2012-09-03T12:44:29 did really know what it meant 2012-09-03T12:44:37 yeah, i didn't really know what that meant 2012-09-03T12:44:37 didnt* 2012-09-03T12:44:53 so, now what? :) 2012-09-03T12:45:00 antilame: the problem is that b43 is already loaded for that card 2012-09-03T12:45:07 thats why we tried to blackslist it 2012-09-03T12:46:29 is there a way to unload b43? 2012-09-03T12:46:39 rmmod b43 2012-09-03T12:46:41 rmmod ssb 2012-09-03T12:46:47 rmmod b43legacy 2012-09-03T12:46:53 if you can do it.. 2012-09-03T12:47:12 and after that modprobe b43legacy 2012-09-03T12:47:54 done 2012-09-03T12:48:28 ok 2012-09-03T12:48:33 sudo ifconfig wlan0 up 2012-09-03T12:48:47 and check with iwconfig if wlan0 is present 2012-09-03T12:48:59 first one didn't work 2012-09-03T12:49:27 same error as before? 2012-09-03T12:49:35 yep 2012-09-03T12:49:39 same output with the second one too 2012-09-03T12:49:46 what does ifconfig -a give? 2012-09-03T12:50:22 http://sprunge.us/CYQb 2012-09-03T12:51:42 lspci -v | grep b43 2012-09-03T12:52:25 http://sprunge.us/OJYT 2012-09-03T12:52:41 sorry, pasted that before looking 2012-09-03T12:56:37 ... 2012-09-03T12:56:52 time for a new wireless card? :P 2012-09-03T13:00:35 mcstar: what's the go? 2012-09-03T13:00:41 i'm sitting here staring at the screen 2012-09-03T13:02:07 *** Tombana has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T13:02:22 *** Tombana has left #aichallenge 2012-09-03T13:03:49 k well i'm shutting down and setting my dads computer back up 2012-09-03T13:03:53 i'm too tired 2012-09-03T13:03:59 thanks heaps for the help anyway 2012-09-03T13:04:20 *** antilame has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2012-09-03T13:06:18 antimatroidl: gn 2012-09-03T13:08:04 should i get a new network card? 2012-09-03T13:08:13 or is ubuntu just going to hate me? 2012-09-03T13:10:21 antimatroidl: oh, still not sleeping 2012-09-03T13:10:44 no, i'll be up for a bit 2012-09-03T13:10:45 well you should get your card to work with he legacy module 2012-09-03T13:10:51 but i couldn't sit out there anymore 2012-09-03T13:11:11 too cold, too boring, and too much effort to fix shit up if i stayed there longer 2012-09-03T13:11:46 antimatroidl: ok, you turned off the pc? 2012-09-03T13:12:03 yes 2012-09-03T13:12:13 btw, you could have ssh'd into it from the mac :) 2012-09-03T13:12:31 i still have to switch it back out before climbing into bed 2012-09-03T13:12:36 had* 2012-09-03T13:13:08 *** monstaokki has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T13:13:16 i'll play again tomorrow 2012-09-03T13:13:17 antimatroidl: you have to make sure, that b43 is not loaded, (lsmod) and b43legacy is, and lspci -v lists b43legacy as the driver in use with the chipset 2012-09-03T13:13:21 thats my recipe 2012-09-03T13:13:46 if after that, ifconfig still cant up the card, im not sure what to do 2012-09-03T13:14:10 what is b43 and b43legacy anyway? and what's lsmod and lspci? 2012-09-03T13:14:24 it usually happens when a wrong dirver is loaded or the firmware is wrong or the card is broken 2012-09-03T13:14:37 lsmod and lspci a command 2012-09-03T13:14:45 lsmod lists the loaded kernel modules 2012-09-03T13:15:03 lspci lists the devices connected on the motherboard's pci lane 2012-09-03T13:15:18 b43 and b43legacy are the shorthands for kernel module files 2012-09-03T13:15:33 modules are extensions to a monolithic kernel 2012-09-03T13:15:44 like drivers on windows 2012-09-03T13:16:03 little programs that provide a common file interface for the kernel to the deivde 2012-09-03T13:16:05 device* 2012-09-03T13:16:13 okay, that makes some more sense 2012-09-03T13:16:24 can you take control of my computer remotely? 2012-09-03T13:16:34 not now obviously, but if i'm still up shit creak without a paddle tomorrow night 2012-09-03T13:16:35 me or generally someone? 2012-09-03T13:16:44 well, you, but that requires the later 2012-09-03T13:17:01 antimatroidl: i can if you provide a way for it 2012-09-03T13:17:11 i cant hack it if thats what you mean 2012-09-03T13:17:21 yeah i mean will it work 2012-09-03T13:17:25 if no services are running on your part i cant connect to it 2012-09-03T13:17:40 antimatroidl: you want me to remotely fix your machine? 2012-09-03T13:17:41 i can forward ports easily enough, just not sure if it works easily across linux distros or whatever 2012-09-03T13:17:49 that doesnt matter 2012-09-03T13:17:53 ssh is universal 2012-09-03T13:17:58 mcstar: yes :P 2012-09-03T13:18:16 antimatroidl: i used to do that for that buddy of mine i keep talking about 2012-09-03T13:18:55 fix all the things 2012-09-03T13:19:17 fix even your algorithm, as an easter egg 2012-09-03T13:19:36 haha what's wrong with it? 2012-09-03T13:19:38 it works 2012-09-03T13:19:43 it counted F_10 for me 2012-09-03T13:19:52 you told me it gave a different answer than you got on paper 2012-09-03T13:20:10 nah i fixed that 2012-09-03T13:20:15 i missed something on paper 2012-09-03T13:20:25 171872 unique diagrams with 10 dots along the top 2012-09-03T13:20:46 all from the 7 generators 2012-09-03T13:21:01 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T13:22:02 antimatroidl: bhasker wanted to talk to you the other dayu 2012-09-03T13:23:10 err, that was wrong, there's 24552 unique diagrams, i had to go through the other number to find them all 2012-09-03T13:23:17 which other day? 2012-09-03T13:23:22 he'll catch me eventualy 2012-09-03T13:23:27 i have him on facebook too 2012-09-03T13:23:52 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-09-03T13:26:19 a week ago 2012-09-03T13:26:21 probably 2012-09-03T13:26:23 idk 2012-09-03T13:28:30 antimatroidl: tell me how the product works 2012-09-03T13:31:09 *** Tombana has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T13:37:53 *** monstaokki has left #aichallenge 2012-09-03T13:37:57 mcstar: diagram wise or algorithm wise? 2012-09-03T13:38:18 likewise 2012-09-03T13:38:25 to reproduce it 2012-09-03T13:41:12 what? 2012-09-03T13:41:19 do you understand how it works diagram wise? 2012-09-03T13:42:15 i think you told me once 2012-09-03T13:42:21 antimatroidl: tell me algorithm wis 2012-09-03T13:42:22 e 2012-09-03T13:42:31 (likewise was a not-so-wise joke) 2012-09-03T13:43:18 http://sketchia.com/draw.html#r4LOUzf 2012-09-03T13:43:28 hopefully that reminds you how the product of diagrams works 2012-09-03T13:44:10 then for the product i just treat diagrams as normal graphs (where there's an edge if two nodes are connected by the same hyper-edge) and the new edges are from the top to bottom nodes where theres a path connecting them 2012-09-03T13:44:22 it's messy doing that though 2012-09-03T13:46:20 antimatroidl: ok, so this describes the prodcut 2012-09-03T13:46:24 whats the input? 2012-09-03T13:46:33 how do you represent the connections 2012-09-03T13:47:53 you mean a diagram? 2012-09-03T13:48:01 for each n_i theres an index set? 2012-09-03T13:48:06 yes 2012-09-03T13:48:25 i indexes the nodes 2012-09-03T13:49:00 i have a 2d 2xn vector of nodes 2012-09-03T13:49:25 and each node as a set of neighbours 2012-09-03T13:49:40 which is a pair of ints indexing an element of the 2d vector of nodes 2012-09-03T13:49:53 then when i do the product i merge it to a graph on 3xn nodes 2012-09-03T13:50:03 like i said, messy :P 2012-09-03T13:50:23 2 vectors, for the 2 inputs, each of length n, and each node has an index set 2012-09-03T13:50:58 antimatroidl: why 3xn? 2012-09-03T13:51:37 look at the product i drew 2012-09-03T13:51:45 i am 2012-09-03T13:51:49 looking at it 2012-09-03T13:52:02 but i dont know why do you need 3 output vector 2012-09-03T13:52:04 s 2012-09-03T13:52:48 so? 2012-09-03T13:52:56 it's a graph on 3xn nodes 2012-09-03T13:53:04 no, after you merged it 2012-09-03T13:53:11 you have 2 vectors again 2012-09-03T13:53:14 yes 2012-09-03T13:53:18 but to do the product 2012-09-03T13:53:27 *** Garf has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T13:53:35 'when i do the product i merge it to a graph on 3xn nodes' 2012-09-03T13:53:37 i merge the two graphs into one 3xn graph, then get the product by finding the paths from the top to bottom etc. 2012-09-03T13:53:46 ok 2012-09-03T13:53:48 all in the * operator function 2012-09-03T13:53:54 ok, so whats the output? 2012-09-03T13:53:56 2 vectors? 2012-09-03T13:54:08 another diagram 2012-09-03T13:54:21 i have a diagram struct which has a 2d vector of nodes 2012-09-03T13:54:32 so yeah pretty much 2012-09-03T13:55:05 antimatroidl: hm, by the way you describe it, the input and output diagrams are fundamentally different 2012-09-03T13:55:18 all your inputs are symmetric, but the product is not required to be 2012-09-03T13:56:21 why are the inputs symmetric? 2012-09-03T13:56:22 antimatroidl: or is that only a coincidence? 2012-09-03T13:56:26 they are 2012-09-03T13:56:31 the generators are 2012-09-03T13:56:44 but the semigroup they generate is not all symmetric elements 2012-09-03T13:56:44 ok, so you call the 1d vector of points a generator 2012-09-03T13:56:51 no 2012-09-03T13:56:52 you flip it 2012-09-03T13:56:57 and thats a diagram? 2012-09-03T13:57:00 no 2012-09-03T13:57:13 but thats the way it looks on the drawing 2012-09-03T13:57:18 the two diagrams in the product are two generators 2012-09-03T13:57:40 where you have three nodes connected above and below then the rest just straight lines 2012-09-03T13:57:41 antimatroidl: do you recognize, that the green and red input diagrams are symmetric? 2012-09-03T13:57:47 yes 2012-09-03T13:57:56 * is a unary operation on diagrams 2012-09-03T13:58:05 where d* is d flipped 2012-09-03T13:58:16 s* = s is the definition of s being a projection 2012-09-03T13:58:26 s^2 = s gives s being an idempotent 2012-09-03T14:00:06 my next steps are: 1. give a process to decompose a given diagram into generators (so that what i claim is the set of diagrams actually is, i've proven it's no bigger than what i claim it is), 2. work out what |F_n| is for an arbitrary n, 3. classify the principle ideals 4. use the ideal structure to get green's relations, etc. etc. 2012-09-03T14:00:50 the program is just to help me calculate stuff to give me an idea of what to prove with that stuff 2012-09-03T14:02:34 *** ecidforiap has quit IRC (Quit: In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni.) 2012-09-03T14:03:32 yes 2012-09-03T14:03:35 but thats important 2012-09-03T14:04:12 antimatroidl: do you call the thing in red circle a diagram too, or only the thing in the red circle 2012-09-03T14:04:32 green*, the second one 2012-09-03T14:05:26 only the one in green 2012-09-03T14:05:31 it has to be on 2xn nodes 2012-09-03T14:05:35 ok 2012-09-03T14:05:42 thats where i was confused 2012-09-03T14:05:50 since then there are 4n input vectors 2012-09-03T14:05:51 and it has to be a product of those generators 2012-09-03T14:07:32 the diagrams you end up with are those in which the edges partition the nodes and for each edge if it connects n nodes at the top then the number of nodes it connects at the bottom is = n + 3b for some integer b 2012-09-03T14:07:46 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8) 2012-09-03T14:07:46 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T14:08:19 ie. 3 connected at the top can connect to 0, 3, 6, 9, etc. at the bottom, 1 connected at the top can connect to 4, 7, etc. at the bottom 2012-09-03T14:08:26 obviously it can't connect to a negative number 2012-09-03T14:19:04 *** yoden has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-09-03T14:25:38 *** foRei has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T14:27:13 *** choas has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T14:30:30 *** pairofdice has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T14:30:35 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T14:30:36 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2012-09-03T14:30:56 *** antimatroidl has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-09-03T14:41:08 *** Garf has quit IRC (Quit: Make a new plan, Stan!) 2012-09-03T14:43:23 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T14:44:57 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Quit: brb) 2012-09-03T14:45:05 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T14:45:56 *** thestinger1 has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T14:50:09 *** thestinger1 is now known as thestinger 2012-09-03T14:59:28 *** pairofdice has quit IRC (Quit: In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni.) 2012-09-03T15:03:35 *** yoden has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T15:11:12 *** ivan`` is now known as ^ivan`` 2012-09-03T15:18:56 *** pairofdice has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T15:21:48 Fuck you Ubuntu! 2012-09-03T15:21:56 It's the right password! 2012-09-03T15:24:00 XD 2012-09-03T15:24:07 escape the spaces 2012-09-03T15:24:19 Fuck\ you\ Ubuntu\! 2012-09-03T15:37:27 A freshly installed Ubuntu and the password you installed it with doesn't work. Ridiculous 2012-09-03T15:38:32 so stop using ubuntu 2012-09-03T15:38:46 pairofdice: what are you trying to do? 2012-09-03T15:38:50 simply log in as user? 2012-09-03T15:38:55 Yeah 2012-09-03T15:39:09 thestinger: I haven't been using it. I just tried to 2012-09-03T15:39:16 weird problem 2012-09-03T15:40:04 ubuntu sucks, but for different reasons 2012-09-03T15:40:52 pairofdice: it is obvious, but ill ask, can it be a caps-lock, or keyboard layout problem? 2012-09-03T15:41:58 No, not casplock, layout was finnish, so don't think so 2012-09-03T15:42:12 Even tried with the onscreen keyboard 2012-09-03T15:42:42 pairofdice: have you tried a terminal login? 2012-09-03T15:43:01 Nah, and not going to, enough of this 2012-09-03T15:43:10 anyway, at least write yout password in the clear once to see if it what you want 2012-09-03T15:43:15 your* 2012-09-03T15:43:24 *** amstan has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2012-09-03T15:43:59 you can reset passwords by botting up in single user mode 2012-09-03T15:44:02 booting* 2012-09-03T15:44:05 fuck my typing 2012-09-03T15:45:03 ofc, if you dont want to solve the problem, just say so, and i wont give any more tips 2012-09-03T15:45:14 [22:41:47] Nah, and not going to, enough of this 2012-09-03T15:45:31 00:07:12 pairofdice | [22:41:47] Nah, and not going to, enough of this 2012-09-03T15:45:38 acknowledged, master 2012-09-03T15:45:52 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seahorse/+bug/838936 2012-09-03T15:46:05 "What seems to help sometimes is to use Ctrl+Alt+F1 and log in there, then switch back to graphical mode. Then the login works as normal. (This is not a workaround as it only works sometimes without any reason.)" 2012-09-03T15:46:39 whats seahorse? 2012-09-03T15:47:58 Reported by brunolabs on 2011-09-01 2012-09-03T15:48:03 now thats interesting 2012-09-03T15:48:18 maybe the forum clock is set back a year 2012-09-03T15:48:53 oh, seahorse is the name of the new release? 2012-09-03T15:48:59 what kind of seahorse? 2012-09-03T15:49:04 sexy seahorse? 2012-09-03T15:49:18 seahorse was 2008 2012-09-03T15:49:29 oh 2012-09-03T15:49:40 you installed some old release? 2012-09-03T15:49:57 Nah 2012-09-03T15:50:06 The latest one 2012-09-03T15:50:29 pairofdice: then, what the hell is seahorse, and why is this error reported in 2011? 2012-09-03T15:50:35 im going crazy 2012-09-03T15:50:41 no im not 2012-09-03T15:51:16 Well I had an old one and I tried logging in but the password didn't work, uninstalled everything since I had nothing there anyway. REinstalled and the same problem with the latest one 2012-09-03T15:51:58 sucky evening 2012-09-03T15:52:20 Not going to try Ubuntu again 2012-09-03T15:52:26 whats next? 2012-09-03T15:52:37 osx? 2012-09-03T15:52:44 Oh god no 2012-09-03T15:54:30 http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2012/al11/al112012.discus.020.shtml? 2012-09-03T15:55:31 KIRK IS NOT EXPECTED TO LIVE LONG AND PROSPER 2012-09-03T15:55:33 haha 2012-09-03T15:56:12 Yesterday :) 2012-09-03T16:01:05 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2012-09-03T16:18:16 *** AlliedEnvy has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T16:25:53 *** AlliedEnvy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-09-03T16:27:34 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T16:27:45 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2012-09-03T16:28:06 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T16:36:45 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-09-03T16:38:31 *** smiley1983 has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T16:52:16 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2012-09-03T17:00:45 *** Samvara has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2012-09-03T17:06:52 *** Samvara has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T17:28:00 *** kilae has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0/20120824154833]) 2012-09-03T17:30:38 *** AlliedEnvy has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T17:31:57 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T17:35:35 *** foRei has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-09-03T17:38:40 *** AlliedEnvy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2012-09-03T17:40:02 *** choas has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-09-03T17:50:18 *** pairofdice has quit IRC (Quit: In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni.) 2012-09-03T17:50:43 *** Scooper has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2012-09-03T17:59:31 *** Tombana has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-09-03T18:02:11 *** AlliedEnvy has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T18:17:45 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-09-03T18:40:12 *** Tombana has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T19:04:32 *** SoldierA1tEater has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T19:07:15 *** SoldierAntEater has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2012-09-03T19:14:36 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8) 2012-09-03T19:20:48 *** Accoun has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2012-09-03T19:32:31 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T20:05:45 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Quit: mcstar) 2012-09-03T20:22:15 *** antimatroidl has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T21:39:23 *** antimatroidl has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-09-03T21:41:21 *** Samvara has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-09-03T21:45:58 *** Samvara has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T22:08:31 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2012-09-03T22:11:59 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-03T22:40:51 *** Tombana has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-09-03T23:15:40 *** ^ivan`` is now known as ivan`` 2012-09-03T23:23:24 *** smiley1983 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)