2012-09-11T00:34:51 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-09-11T00:35:16 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-11T01:14:26 *** Areks has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-11T01:16:09 *** amstan has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2012-09-11T01:17:45 *** mceier has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2012-09-11T01:18:08 *** thestinger is now known as thestinger_ 2012-09-11T01:19:53 *** thestinger_ is now known as thestinger 2012-09-11T02:03:41 *** antimatroidl has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-11T02:11:36 *** coeus has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-11T02:28:59 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-11T02:32:21 *** kilae has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-11T02:41:10 *** rofer has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2012-09-11T02:47:23 *** mcstar has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-11T03:08:02 coursera has many more new offerings 2012-09-11T03:08:51 more reasons to sit in front of the computer and get atrophied 2012-09-11T03:09:12 i say NO to coursera! 2012-09-11T03:17:01 antimatroidl: i think this will attract many subscribers https://www.coursera.org/course/compinvesting1 2012-09-11T03:33:02 mcstar: myself included 2012-09-11T03:33:14 oh :( 2012-09-11T03:33:21 that wasnt my intention 2012-09-11T03:34:31 antimatroidl: btw, im dying to know how did your friend compute F_8 in 5 seconds... 2012-09-11T03:34:55 F_10 :P 2012-09-11T03:35:00 dunno 2012-09-11T03:35:31 yes, 10 2012-09-11T03:39:47 antimatroidl: your code would finish in 5.1 hours on my machine for F_10 2012-09-11T03:40:01 so, thats why im so eager to know, how could he make it in 5 seconds 2012-09-11T03:41:00 do you have my last paste? 2012-09-11T03:41:27 if you could look at it's main, thats where the diagrams are added to the set and a dequeue 2012-09-11T03:41:59 maybe that part is different, but the product itself, i dont see how it could be made more effiecient 2012-09-11T03:42:16 notwithstanding some math solution to the problem 2012-09-11T03:43:24 what are you doing to create the dictionary? 2012-09-11T03:43:35 you only need to multiply each new word by the generators 2012-09-11T03:46:07 http://hpaste.org/74561 2012-09-11T03:46:07 hm 2012-09-11T03:46:26 i multiply each new word with the contents of the dictionary 2012-09-11T03:46:37 (word->diagram) 2012-09-11T03:47:23 mcstar: try changing that :P 2012-09-11T03:47:30 ok 2012-09-11T03:48:22 *** kilae_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-11T03:49:24 *** kilae has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2012-09-11T04:02:18 antimatroidl: 0.03s, yeah, it is somewhat faster now 2012-09-11T04:02:44 thats for 8 2012-09-11T04:02:47 *** antimatroidl has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host) 2012-09-11T04:02:53 *** antimatroidl1 has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-11T04:03:04 1.13s for F_10, now divide that by 4 2012-09-11T04:05:57 |F_12| = 4831749 2012-09-11T04:06:13 mcstar: :) 2012-09-11T04:07:08 mcstar: does that match F_n from 3 to 11? 2012-09-11T04:07:14 i wasn't expecting quite that much of a jump 2012-09-11T04:07:19 yeah 2012-09-11T04:07:39 it takes 6x more time for each successive n 2012-09-11T04:07:43 it was 20x before :( 2012-09-11T04:08:33 antimatroidl1: why didnt you? it incresed 5 fold, the cardinality 2012-09-11T04:09:01 increses* 2012-09-11T04:09:25 mcstar: that's a lot more than 5 fold 2012-09-11T04:09:37 F_11 is just over 100k yeah? 2012-09-11T04:10:02 how long did that take? 2012-09-11T04:10:20 |F_13| = antimatroidl1 damn, im sorry, i have 2 output values, 1 is the cardinality, the other is the times the destructor of Diagram is called 2012-09-11T04:10:25 wait a bit 2012-09-11T04:10:41 |F_12| = 439249 2012-09-11T04:10:50 |F_13| = 1871609 2012-09-11T04:10:56 these are correct 2012-09-11T04:11:05 *** coeus has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-09-11T04:11:17 mcstar; how long does this take? 2012-09-11T04:11:17 4-5x the increase 2012-09-11T04:11:25 no give me times 2012-09-11T04:11:30 my friend wants to know 2012-09-11T04:11:38 1.1s, 6.7s, 196s 2012-09-11T04:11:48 11,12,13 2012-09-11T04:12:05 wrong again 2012-09-11T04:12:09 im jst woke up 2012-09-11T04:12:26 6.79s, 37.25s, 196.37s 2012-09-11T04:12:33 for n=11,12,13 2012-09-11T04:12:49 mcstar: I bet it will be at least a bit faster with pgo 2012-09-11T04:12:57 so was your first one F_14? 2012-09-11T04:13:19 antimatroidl1: i never mentioned f_14 2012-09-11T04:13:31 what's 4831749? 2012-09-11T04:13:57 antimatroidl1: the number of times the Diagram destrcutor is called, while calculating f_12 2012-09-11T04:14:03 ah okay 2012-09-11T04:14:04 just a diagnostic number for me 2012-09-11T04:14:12 yep 2012-09-11T04:15:48 http://hpaste.org/74577 2012-09-11T04:15:54 this is the latest and final version 2012-09-11T04:16:00 final? :P 2012-09-11T04:16:04 yeah 2012-09-11T04:16:12 const static final Diagram; 2012-09-11T04:16:16 :) 2012-09-11T04:16:17 cheers 2012-09-11T04:16:26 gave me 2 new numbers 2012-09-11T04:16:42 thestinger: if you want to do pgo, go ahead 2012-09-11T04:16:49 i dont even know what the term means 2012-09-11T04:17:15 mcstar: compile with -fprofile-generate 2012-09-11T04:17:18 run it on small n 2012-09-11T04:17:22 recompile with -fprofile-use 2012-09-11T04:17:38 it uses the knowledge of which branches are hot/cold etc., like a JIT 2012-09-11T04:18:14 *** antimatroidl has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-11T04:18:15 thestinger: gcc does that> 2012-09-11T04:18:16 *** antimatroidl1 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-09-11T04:18:20 mcstar: yes 2012-09-11T04:18:43 sometimes useless 2012-09-11T04:18:54 sometimes completely changes everything 2012-09-11T04:19:07 does it leave a file or something? 2012-09-11T04:19:11 yeah 2012-09-11T04:19:22 *** pairofdice has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-11T04:19:52 you don't need any other args though 2012-09-11T04:20:22 .gcda 2012-09-11T04:21:32 thestinger: -6% 2012-09-11T04:21:43 meh 2012-09-11T04:29:38 mcstar: Jet 2012-09-11T04:29:38 hmm its way slower for me 2012-09-11T04:29:38 it took my 23 seconds to generate F_9 with mcstar's program 2012-09-11T04:30:11 -O3? 2012-09-11T04:30:34 thats crazy slow 2012-09-11T04:30:59 f9 is 0.18s 2012-09-11T04:31:28 0.63s with -O0 2012-09-11T04:31:52 and im running on 1GHz 2012-09-11T04:33:29 antimatroidl: |F_14| = 7952610 2012-09-11T04:33:39 in 1078.02s 2012-09-11T04:35:29 mcstar: are these the exact same program? 2012-09-11T04:35:39 the one i just pasted, yes 2012-09-11T04:36:12 paste 74577 2012-09-11T04:36:12 hmmmm 2012-09-11T04:36:13 strange 2012-09-11T04:36:18 *** SJRvanSc1aik has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-11T04:36:18 it's slower for my friend 2012-09-11T04:36:24 *** SJRvanSc1aik has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2012-09-11T04:36:28 i expect you're doing it way better than i am 2012-09-11T04:36:31 i just added list gens; 2012-09-11T04:37:08 gcc (GCC) 4.7.1 2012-09-11T04:37:17 antimatroidl: you're using an old gcc and libstdc++ though 2012-09-11T04:37:29 he couldnt even compile it :) 2012-09-11T04:37:33 its his friend 2012-09-11T04:37:51 oh 2012-09-11T04:38:30 just throw on a million gentoo ricer flags and it will go 1% faster 2012-09-11T04:38:31 (he couldnt still have an outdated gcc, though) 2012-09-11T04:38:39 why not? :P 2012-09-11T04:38:45 i've been busy with other stuff 2012-09-11T04:38:46 coudl 2012-09-11T04:38:53 could, total fail today 2012-09-11T04:38:54 i will try and fix my desktop later in the week 2012-09-11T04:39:17 antimatroidl: can he tell you gcc --version ? 2012-09-11T04:40:24 but really, 23s for F_9 is ridiculous, gcc version notwithstanding 2012-09-11T04:41:12 mayeb he is using one of my prevous pastes, where i multiplied new elements with the whole dict? 2012-09-11T04:41:43 *** pwnworthy has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-11T04:42:07 Hi mcstar 2012-09-11T04:42:12 hi 2012-09-11T04:42:29 are you the mysterious friend? 2012-09-11T04:42:31 yes 2012-09-11T04:42:33 my g++ version is 7.7.1 2012-09-11T04:42:35 lol yes 2012-09-11T04:42:42 *4.7.1 2012-09-11T04:42:48 same as mine 2012-09-11T04:43:13 is the code this one: http://hpaste.org/74561? 2012-09-11T04:43:19 is the code this one: http://hpaste.org/74561 ? 2012-09-11T04:43:26 74577 2012-09-11T04:43:34 bah aha 2012-09-11T04:44:12 that would explain it 2012-09-11T04:44:22 that's the version with retarded dictionary computation 2012-09-11T04:44:28 i thought i'd given you a newer one 2012-09-11T04:44:37 :) 2012-09-11T04:44:42 lol ok sweet 2012-09-11T04:44:45 lets call it naive, ok? 2012-09-11T04:44:56 F_9 takes .041 seconds 2012-09-11T04:44:57 overeager 2012-09-11T04:45:40 yoru computer is 4.4x faster than mine currently 2012-09-11T04:45:45 your 2012-09-11T04:46:18 i should quite running F_15 2012-09-11T04:46:27 -e 2012-09-11T04:46:27 lol nah leave it over night for me :P 2012-09-11T04:46:39 I'll runt it 2012-09-11T04:46:40 *run 2012-09-11T04:46:45 yeah, he can do it much faster 2012-09-11T04:50:36 *** antimatroidl has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2012-09-11T04:51:44 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Quit: sleep) 2012-09-11T04:54:29 *** antimatroidl1 has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-11T04:54:52 stupid network is stupid 2012-09-11T04:55:12 are the channel logs working? 2012-09-11T04:55:48 the logs dont work 2012-09-11T04:56:00 i mean, contestbot is logging it 2012-09-11T04:56:06 but i cant access it 2012-09-11T04:58:18 damn 2012-09-11T05:18:25 hmm calculating the F_15 dictionary is using 3.5GB of memory atm 2012-09-11T05:19:41 I think it should complete before it runs out of memory, but I don't think I'll be able to calcculate F_16 2012-09-11T05:22:28 it's not storing known forms either is it? 2012-09-11T05:22:31 at the minimum it should take 1GB of memory, estimating with 2*15bytes * number of diagrams at the end 2012-09-11T05:23:27 trying to think of how to minimise the form of a diagrm whilst being able to compare them 2012-09-11T05:24:17 antimatroidl1: i compare them in the form of an array 2012-09-11T05:24:23 you cant get better than that 2012-09-11T05:24:37 at one point you have to store as many numbers as the lattice points 2012-09-11T05:24:37 damn 2012-09-11T05:24:55 i think i know how to count them properly now anyway 2012-09-11T05:24:55 OK |F_15| = 33,550,196 and it took 1153 seconds 2012-09-11T05:25:01 just haven't gone through and done it 2012-09-11T05:25:07 yikes 2012-09-11T05:25:27 over 100mil after that 2012-09-11T05:44:54 i made it 10% faster 2012-09-11T05:56:55 23% faster, and uses less memory 2012-09-11T05:57:07 pwnworthy: do you want to try a new version? 2012-09-11T05:57:24 im wondering how well it'd do memory wise 2012-09-11T05:57:38 ok sure 2012-09-11T05:58:13 do you know a way to record peak memory usage of a program 2012-09-11T05:58:46 for if the program finishes before I get a chance to see its memory usage? 2012-09-11T05:59:52 pwnworthy: http://hpaste.org/74581 2012-09-11T06:00:10 no, not really 2012-09-11T06:00:49 you can periodically ask for the memory use, and log that to a file 2012-09-11T06:00:55 or with 'less' 2012-09-11T06:01:50 now, i added a proper move constructor, a hash function for diagrams, unordered_set, and i store only iterators in the dequeue 2012-09-11T06:02:34 pwnworthy: there are compilation instruction on the bottom 2012-09-11T06:02:46 what thestinger told me, to use pgo 2012-09-11T06:03:03 it helps somewhat, noticeably 2012-09-11T06:05:42 ok I followed those instructions 2012-09-11T06:05:53 -fprofile-use makes it go faster 2012-09-11T06:05:58 what does that actually do? 2012-09-11T06:06:31 hmm ok nvm 2012-09-11T06:06:50 apparently, it uses a file that a previous run, after -fprofile-generate, generated, and somehow with that knowledge it can optimize hot code paths better 2012-09-11T06:07:01 so, basically, magic 2012-09-11T06:07:24 yeah sweet 2012-09-11T06:08:40 *** kilae has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-11T06:10:51 you can use "/usr/bin/time -v" to get more verbose information, such as peak memory usage and stuff 2012-09-11T06:11:11 *** kilae_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2012-09-11T06:11:18 oh, i never parameterized 'time' 2012-09-11T06:11:28 though, the time i use now, is zsh's own 2012-09-11T06:11:36 yeah same 2012-09-11T06:11:44 you have to go /usr/bin/time 2012-09-11T06:11:56 i just looked it up on stackoverflow 2012-09-11T06:14:06 well, for F_13, runtime rougly 1/3 less, but memory use went down only by 0.2% 2012-09-11T06:14:11 (of total memory) 2012-09-11T06:14:40 btw, the dict shouldnt really store the Diagrams though 2012-09-11T06:17:30 well, except if theres a hash-collision... 2012-09-11T06:18:53 *** antimatroidl1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2012-09-11T06:19:15 *** antimatroidl has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-11T06:24:54 i dont have /usr/bin/time btw 2012-09-11T06:27:06 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-11T06:27:12 mine was in a separate .deb package, so maybe you just need to install it 2012-09-11T06:27:35 OK, so it seems there were no hash collisions 2012-09-11T06:28:30 and the time was 650.76 (which is 56% of the time of the previous one) 2012-09-11T06:29:03 and it used 3.48GB of memory (but I didn't see what it got up to last time) 2012-09-11T06:35:55 thats too much memory, but i like the speed of it :) 2012-09-11T06:38:53 pwnworthy: how much memory have you got? 2012-09-11T06:38:55 pwnworthy: wait, i just run for F_14, it took 800s, and used roughly 10% of my memory 2012-09-11T06:39:22 I have 8GB 2012-09-11T06:39:32 are those numbers for 15? 2012-09-11T06:39:44 yes 2012-09-11T06:39:52 my numbers were for F_15 2012-09-11T06:39:54 ah, ok then 2012-09-11T06:40:10 * antimatroidl is mostly ready for tomorrow early 2012-09-11T06:40:26 pwnworthy: i was confused, since i thought memory usage was >3GB for F_14 alrady 2012-09-11T06:41:10 ah no it got above 3.5GB on F_15 with the non-hashing algorithm 2012-09-11T06:41:27 this time just below 2.5GB 2012-09-11T06:41:30 *3.5GB 2012-09-11T06:41:50 yeah, the difference is negligible 2012-09-11T06:42:12 F_14: 828MB, 128.29s 2012-09-11T06:42:22 if you can guarantee no collisions somehow, you can eliminate storing the diagrams 2012-09-11T06:42:44 yeah hmm 2012-09-11T06:43:35 when generating the diagrams? 2012-09-11T06:43:37 not a free lunch though, only a readuction from 2xn bytes to 8-16 bytes 2012-09-11T06:43:42 good luck with that 2012-09-11T06:44:08 mcstar: so at the moment, each Diagram is 30 bytes (for F_15)? 2012-09-11T06:44:17 yes 2012-09-11T06:44:30 well, and an int 2012-09-11T06:44:33 that 4 bytes 2012-09-11T06:44:47 ok 2012-09-11T06:54:33 antimatroidl: it just occurred to me, that we could use a ternary search trie, that we've been messing with before 2012-09-11T06:54:53 it shares prefixes, and a diagram is basically a string 2012-09-11T06:55:19 i dont think i have a c++ implementation of it, only haskell and ocaml 2012-09-11T06:55:25 mleise has it in D 2012-09-11T07:07:12 wut? 2012-09-11T07:07:49 how exactly? :P 2012-09-11T07:08:00 ternary search trie's look mega 2012-09-11T07:10:59 mcstar: is this for the dict? 2012-09-11T07:15:22 *** isthar has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-11T07:15:47 *** isthar has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2012-09-11T07:15:56 yeah 2012-09-11T07:16:49 hmmm okay shall have to play later 2012-09-11T07:17:00 still coming up with similar questions to go through tomorrow now aha 2012-09-11T07:17:02 spoke too soon 2012-09-11T07:19:21 ok, i added a ternary search tree 2012-09-11T07:19:37 but it doesnt give the right answers just now 2012-09-11T07:22:31 are you optimizing something? 2012-09-11T07:23:27 i think the tree im using cirpples the ascii range 2012-09-11T07:23:32 i need full range... 2012-09-11T07:23:40 mleise: well, sort of 2012-09-11T07:24:00 we are like the early comutational researcher searching for Sophie-Germain primes 2012-09-11T07:26:33 never heard of those 2012-09-11T07:29:34 ok, so they are primes who result in another prime if you double them and add 1 2012-09-11T07:29:44 *** xxxss has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2012-09-11T07:33:41 i have no idea whats wrong 2012-09-11T07:34:02 i get much lowe numbers with the tree 2012-09-11T07:35:01 you overoptimized it to death ^^ 2012-09-11T07:45:05 *** antimatroidl has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-09-11T07:52:16 weird 2012-09-11T07:52:28 i can find all the keys i put into the tree 2012-09-11T07:52:39 but it reports lower .count() than i find 2012-09-11T07:52:45 *** smj has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-11T07:52:45 *** smj has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-11T07:58:24 *** andrebeton has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-11T07:59:14 hm, and this changes with optimization 2012-09-11T07:59:20 i think ill look for another implementation 2012-09-11T08:00:11 mleise: isnt there a c++ version of your tst? 2012-09-11T08:04:11 hmm, no. I didn't write one at least. 2012-09-11T08:22:15 *** rofer has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-11T08:26:36 *** antimatroidl has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-11T08:43:30 *** andrebeton has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2012-09-11T08:49:00 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-11T08:49:00 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2012-09-11T09:29:41 *** Scooper has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-11T09:29:55 *** pwnworthy has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2012-09-11T09:43:32 *** kilae_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-11T09:46:26 *** kilae has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-09-11T09:47:32 mleise: im such a nub, it was working with the tst i pulled from google code, when i tested against yours 2012-09-11T09:47:57 i just kept pushing a wrong object to the deque 2012-09-11T09:53:08 *** hyPiRion has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-11T09:58:02 ok, this is nonsense, takes 4x more memory than with unordered_set 2012-09-11T10:00:11 *** mceier has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2012-09-11T10:23:07 *** kilae 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