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2012-09-13T09:19:31 *** aerique has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T09:20:15 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T09:34:34 mcstar: ubuntu are trying too hard to look like osx and windows :( 2012-09-13T09:34:51 i friggin hate not having a little box along the bottom for each open window 2012-09-13T09:34:55 and not sure how to get that back :( 2012-09-13T09:35:05 *** janzert1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-09-13T09:37:22 *** janzert has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T09:40:24 antimatroid1: like this? http://i.imgur.com/sCKy8.jpg 2012-09-13T09:43:48 antimatroid1: (i know you dont mean it like that, it was just an attempt to show you my desktop) 2012-09-13T09:44:03 anyway, you really dont need a 'taskbar' 2012-09-13T09:44:20 i think its a taskbar that you were describing 2012-09-13T09:44:56 and feel free to switch to kde anytime, it was almost always better than gnome 2012-09-13T09:47:09 mcstar: it no longer tells me when you talk to me :( 2012-09-13T09:47:22 and yes like that, i hate it 2012-09-13T09:47:23 what client? 2012-09-13T09:47:28 pidgin 2012-09-13T09:47:32 always pidgin 2012-09-13T09:47:39 i guess you have to set nick highlight 2012-09-13T09:47:41 if an app has a cool name and it's free i use it :P 2012-09-13T09:47:50 antimatroid1: always? you used adium before 2012-09-13T09:47:56 so dont tell me always 2012-09-13T09:48:04 that was on osx 2012-09-13T09:48:08 osx doesn't count 2012-09-13T09:48:16 aha, ok 2012-09-13T09:48:35 can one install a taskbar? 2012-09-13T09:48:37 they are the shit 2012-09-13T09:48:44 i don't understand why new os's don't have them 2012-09-13T09:48:44 antimatroid1: anyway, you dont need a taskbar, use multiple workspaces, thats the first you get to used to 2012-09-13T09:48:55 i do use multiple workspaces 2012-09-13T09:49:15 it doesn't even change the icons on the right if somone has talked to me or whatever 2012-09-13T09:49:19 how is that meant to be useful? 2012-09-13T09:49:24 left* 2012-09-13T09:49:29 antimatroid1: it is pidgin's fault 2012-09-13T09:49:36 not the dock's 2012-09-13T09:49:48 it will do something, if the app sends a notification 2012-09-13T09:49:58 but pidging didnt sent any 2012-09-13T09:50:02 i can't even find options aha 2012-09-13T09:50:14 antimatroid1: why dont you switch to kde? 2012-09-13T09:50:19 the new gnome sucks 2012-09-13T09:50:24 what's the difference? 2012-09-13T09:50:39 antimatroid1: give me a screenshot 2012-09-13T09:50:45 i dont know how the new ubuntu looks 2012-09-13T09:51:00 but the new gnome 3 is really quite bad to use 2012-09-13T09:51:08 on the other hand kde is super configurable 2012-09-13T09:51:28 uploading 2012-09-13T09:51:32 and i no longer need to hack config files or hack the source to get my features :) 2012-09-13T09:51:58 http://i.imgur.com/5ZHlD.png 2012-09-13T09:52:53 antimatroid1: do you see those numbered squares on the left of my screenshot? 2012-09-13T09:53:12 those are my virtual desktops, it better when you can click on each one of them 2012-09-13T09:53:25 yes, but i can just use ctrl shift arrows to move between workspaces 2012-09-13T09:53:29 i already use them 2012-09-13T09:53:35 i use super+n 2012-09-13T09:53:44 i still like one workspace for internet and chat 2012-09-13T09:53:44 or super+arrows 2012-09-13T09:53:52 then projects/work get a workspace each 2012-09-13T09:54:11 ctrl alt shift arrows moves the active window between workspaces too 2012-09-13T09:54:14 ctrl+shift+stuff is too much trouble 2012-09-13T09:54:19 anyway, leave those to emacs 2012-09-13T09:54:22 something which is not easily done on osx grrrr 2012-09-13T09:54:29 it's not that hard :P 2012-09-13T09:54:32 it is 2012-09-13T09:54:46 thats why i changed my window navigation prefix to simply Super 2012-09-13T09:54:58 i really liked my old ubuntu install :( 2012-09-13T09:55:07 it was perfect out of the box 2012-09-13T09:55:11 and they ruined it 2012-09-13T09:55:27 you dont have to use the default settings 2012-09-13T09:55:43 kde lets you customize many details, without using a registry editor, like gnome 2012-09-13T09:56:09 arch is better in this regard, i think, it doesnt have default desktop env. 2012-09-13T09:56:17 you make up your own 2012-09-13T09:56:18 i don't want to have to customise though aha 2012-09-13T09:56:26 you only need to do it once 2012-09-13T09:56:30 and it will fit 2012-09-13T09:56:36 i think it worth it 2012-09-13T09:57:12 antimatroid1: id be still using awesome, if it had a session manager 2012-09-13T09:57:55 lately, i was working with many documents, like papers and stuff, and i wanted my documents restored on new logins 2012-09-13T09:58:17 but otherwise, i still like tiling wms 2012-09-13T09:58:48 but mostly, i wasnt using tiling per say, almost always i had my windows maximed 2012-09-13T09:58:59 so i do 2012-09-13T09:59:04 but i like one click access to each window 2012-09-13T09:59:08 i have a 17" monitor, if i had a bigger one, id benefit more from tiling... 2012-09-13T09:59:09 now this multi click bs 2012-09-13T09:59:44 normal ubuntu now alt tabs between applications too 2012-09-13T09:59:50 fucking apple copying 2012-09-13T09:59:59 why would you copy something that is shit? :P 2012-09-13T10:00:18 antimatroid1: i can either alt-tab to a window, or hover the mouse over the icon on the dock, pops up promptly a list of views, and select the window, or click on the icon, and it present the windows of that application on the whole screen 2012-09-13T10:00:41 gross 2012-09-13T10:00:54 antimatroid1: one of the best thing on osx was, that i was able to switch between open windows of A given application with command+~ 2012-09-13T10:01:14 yeah, cause alt tab goes between applications, which is gross 2012-09-13T10:01:14 and now, kde has that too 2012-09-13T10:01:24 no, its the sane thing to do 2012-09-13T10:01:51 you just got used to the way windows does it 2012-09-13T10:01:53 do they do the same crap with alt tabbing across workspaces? 2012-09-13T10:01:57 it doesnt make it good 2012-09-13T10:02:18 antimatroid1: all the icons and tabbing is workspace specific for me 2012-09-13T10:02:19 which is no longer idempotent and often leaves you stuck in a given space 2012-09-13T10:02:23 i like it that way 2012-09-13T10:02:28 workspaces stay separated 2012-09-13T10:02:30 yes so do i 2012-09-13T10:02:39 you can set it though 2012-09-13T10:02:48 but by window (which i have atm anyway using ubuntu 2d, i don't like all the gui effects and crap either :P) 2012-09-13T10:03:15 i like some, those which are actually useful 2012-09-13T10:03:32 like the present windows/present windows of an app 2012-09-13T10:03:43 oh, and the logout effect 2012-09-13T10:03:48 i use those 3 2012-09-13T10:03:54 i rarely logout/restart 2012-09-13T10:04:04 i hibernate every night 2012-09-13T10:04:12 why should i keep it running? 2012-09-13T10:04:18 i put a movie on when i go to bed :P 2012-09-13T10:04:23 and i cant sleep if it is on 2012-09-13T10:04:28 i never do that 2012-09-13T10:04:37 i turn the screen off and have a timer on the tv 2012-09-13T10:04:37 i was experimenting with that years ago 2012-09-13T10:05:05 i need quality rest 2012-09-13T10:05:31 idk if i said it already, the dogs sometimes go crazy at nigh, on our street 2012-09-13T10:05:42 so i almost every night sleep with earplugs 2012-09-13T10:05:53 night* 2012-09-13T10:06:24 dogs are awesome 2012-09-13T10:06:29 antimatroid1: oh, and do you see that icon in the left-bottom corner? 2012-09-13T10:06:33 but i've never had that much problem with barking dogs 2012-09-13T10:06:40 the trash? 2012-09-13T10:06:48 if you click that, you can see the title of every window open 2012-09-13T10:06:54 and select it 2012-09-13T10:07:02 on yours? 2012-09-13T10:07:08 if yes 2012-09-13T10:07:10 -if 2012-09-13T10:07:12 yes 2012-09-13T10:07:18 again just like osx 2012-09-13T10:07:24 really? 2012-09-13T10:07:26 how original 2012-09-13T10:07:42 come on, is just an icon 2012-09-13T10:07:45 yes, they use the f11 etc for that kind of thing 2012-09-13T10:07:49 kde and gnome had that from the beginning 2012-09-13T10:08:00 antimatroid1: no, thats the present window effect 2012-09-13T10:08:04 antimatroid1: this is just a list 2012-09-13T10:08:33 ah fair enough :P 2012-09-13T10:08:33 all this new fangles stuff :P 2012-09-13T10:09:03 antimatroid1: http://i.imgur.com/odLub.png 2012-09-13T10:12:48 the good thing with linux, is that you really have a choise 2012-09-13T10:12:50 choice 2012-09-13T10:12:55 use whatever you like 2012-09-13T10:13:00 and dont use what you dont like 2012-09-13T10:13:25 if a feature is handy/useful/you can grow used to, then use it, no matter where it originates 2012-09-13T10:14:28 brb 2012-09-13T10:14:37 *** antimatroid1 has left #aichallenge 2012-09-13T10:14:58 to the rest: sam rockwell is really great in iron man 2 2012-09-13T10:15:07 *** antimatroid has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T10:15:11 i dont think i realized that when i watched it the first time 2012-09-13T10:15:54 mcstar can you nick me 2012-09-13T10:16:06 no, sorry 2012-09-13T10:16:11 im incapable of it 2012-09-13T10:16:28 antimartoid: you seee? 2012-09-13T10:16:28 bah, please 2012-09-13T10:16:30 nothing happens 2012-09-13T10:16:34 i was already on the window 2012-09-13T10:16:40 do it now 2012-09-13T10:16:42 ok 2012-09-13T10:16:51 antimartoid: does it work? 2012-09-13T10:16:56 antimatroid: dyn dyn dyn 2012-09-13T10:17:00 damn 2012-09-13T10:17:08 nahhh 2012-09-13T10:17:12 you ruined my rouse 2012-09-13T10:17:20 ecidforiap: why oh why did you 2012-09-13T10:17:40 That's what I doooo 2012-09-13T10:19:12 i should now notify me :( 2012-09-13T10:19:18 i have the plugin installed 2012-09-13T10:19:28 would that require a restart maybe? 2012-09-13T10:20:05 lol no 2012-09-13T10:20:18 antimartoid: so, does it work now? 2012-09-13T10:20:23 try again :P 2012-09-13T10:20:31 antimartoid: 2012-09-13T10:20:43 antimartoid: 2012-09-13T10:20:45 nope 2012-09-13T10:20:45 antimartoid: 2012-09-13T10:20:47 antimartoid: 2012-09-13T10:20:49 antimartoid: 2012-09-13T10:20:52 hates me 2012-09-13T10:20:53 lol 2012-09-13T10:20:55 antimatroid: 2012-09-13T10:21:02 got it 2012-09-13T10:21:06 antimatroid: see the difference? 2012-09-13T10:21:17 you bastard :P 2012-09-13T10:21:20 XD 2012-09-13T10:22:45 k, i'm much happier now 2012-09-13T10:24:36 antimatroid: i think theres a word, 'rouse' or similar that can mean deceit, whats the spelling? 2012-09-13T10:25:16 similar to double play, maybe 2012-09-13T10:25:55 if thats a phrase at all.. 2012-09-13T10:26:11 mcstar: nic me again 2012-09-13T10:26:18 antimatroid: 2012-09-13T10:26:37 damn, that didn't work 2012-09-13T10:26:40 will you help with my vocubulary? 2012-09-13T10:26:49 how so? 2012-09-13T10:26:54 maybe i need to restart pidgin for a plugin to work 2012-09-13T10:27:03 antimatroid: read my question 2012-09-13T10:27:15 before 'nic me again' 2012-09-13T10:27:35 double play? 2012-09-13T10:27:43 not sure what it means, but it doesn't soud wrong 2012-09-13T10:27:43 before 2012-09-13T10:27:48 oh :P 2012-09-13T10:28:07 3 lines, one train of thought 2012-09-13T10:28:14 not sure if i've heard rouse in that context 2012-09-13T10:28:25 maybe it isnt written that way 2012-09-13T10:28:28 but i am not amazing at my own language :P 2012-09-13T10:28:30 but sounds very much like it 2012-09-13T10:29:19 http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rouse 2012-09-13T10:29:48 "to stir or incite to strong indignation or anger." 2012-09-13T10:29:54 that's what i think of when i hear it 2012-09-13T10:29:57 rousing up your mates 2012-09-13T10:30:09 ok 2012-09-13T10:30:23 ill go get my dict. and look for the word i remember knowing 2012-09-13T10:30:35 you own a physical dictionary? 2012-09-13T10:30:38 what's a book? :P 2012-09-13T10:30:57 since i had to learn english, ofc i own a dict 2012-09-13T10:31:02 i have german too 2012-09-13T10:31:04 and russian 2012-09-13T10:32:38 i want to know russian 2012-09-13T10:32:48 i don't want to go through the effort of learning it though 2012-09-13T10:32:55 catch 22 if there were ever one :P 2012-09-13T10:33:05 im like that with japanese 2012-09-13T10:33:38 why isnt there a phonetic dictionary 2012-09-13T10:33:44 dimkadimon went to russia recently 2012-09-13T10:33:45 lucky bastard 2012-09-13T10:33:52 who? 2012-09-13T10:34:01 another australian ai competitor 2012-09-13T10:34:04 i have him on facebook 2012-09-13T10:34:09 never heard of him 2012-09-13T10:34:15 http://aichallenge.org/country_profile.php?country=25 2012-09-13T10:34:21 in 9th position for australia 2012-09-13T10:34:29 but youre not australian 2012-09-13T10:34:29 he did better with planet wars 2012-09-13T10:34:33 wut? 2012-09-13T10:34:38 youre tasmanian 2012-09-13T10:34:40 i am numero uno for australia :P 2012-09-13T10:34:47 ah, you're as bad as the mainlanders :P 2012-09-13T10:34:52 :) 2012-09-13T10:35:24 a lot of aus did better than me :( 2012-09-13T10:35:32 i dont like Ants in restropect 2012-09-13T10:35:39 retro* 2012-09-13T10:36:18 ants surprised me 2012-09-13T10:36:24 i thought it was going to suck all through development 2012-09-13T10:36:26 then it was good 2012-09-13T10:36:45 i learned a lot, like, how not to do things 2012-09-13T10:37:00 i learnt how to get disqualified in tron 2012-09-13T10:37:08 when i should have finished top 10 2012-09-13T10:37:16 i wrote that bot with my friend you met the other day 2012-09-13T10:37:35 he's off to cambridge next friday 2012-09-13T10:37:37 did he knock or something? 2012-09-13T10:37:43 wut? 2012-09-13T10:37:47 oh, on irc? 2012-09-13T10:37:50 ok 2012-09-13T10:37:53 XD 2012-09-13T10:38:06 j/k 2012-09-13T10:38:21 he's like the genius version of me 2012-09-13T10:38:26 i wish him good luck 2012-09-13T10:38:33 or girls 2012-09-13T10:38:37 whatever he prefers 2012-09-13T10:38:37 got the highest score at the end of year 12 my year whilst being 2 years younger than most people 2012-09-13T10:39:03 in the state* 2012-09-13T10:39:08 need to qualify that with something aha 2012-09-13T10:39:39 what is his interest? 2012-09-13T10:40:45 omg 2012-09-13T10:40:48 this is funny 2012-09-13T10:42:03 rape is a plant, and they say it the same way as the other rape 2012-09-13T10:42:13 and then, there is rape-oil, and rape-cake 2012-09-13T10:42:25 he's doing masters in pure maths 2012-09-13T10:42:39 thought i think he's going to do a lot of mathematical finance type units 2012-09-13T10:42:49 wasted talent 2012-09-13T10:42:56 (dont tell him that) 2012-09-13T10:42:59 he did economics, finance and maths during undergrad 2012-09-13T10:43:21 he's also doing category theory and some other cool classes 2012-09-13T10:43:33 *** mceier has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2012-09-13T10:43:37 and did all pure maths for honours 2012-09-13T10:43:47 thesis was on the transitivity of ideals of rings 2012-09-13T10:44:08 which is not in general a property that holds 2012-09-13T10:44:33 ie if I is and ideal of J which is an ideal of R it does not necessarily follow that I is an ideal of R 2012-09-13T10:44:41 /s/and/an 2012-09-13T10:44:43 haha 2012-09-13T10:44:45 i was right 2012-09-13T10:44:50 ruse 2012-09-13T10:45:04 fortely, csel, fogas 2012-09-13T10:45:14 and i use it in the right context 2012-09-13T10:45:20 what more can i ask for :) 2012-09-13T10:45:44 used* 2012-09-13T10:46:44 antimatroid: that is a very general theorem, or lemma 2012-09-13T10:46:48 was that not known? 2012-09-13T10:47:32 i don't think he actually came up with much new for his honours thesis 2012-09-13T10:47:33 it 2012-09-13T10:47:37 's a known thing to play with 2012-09-13T10:47:42 i don't know a huge amount about it 2012-09-13T10:50:58 antimatroid: did you see that i said 'now i know why did you name your diagrams 'words''? 2012-09-13T10:52:04 from another topic i somehow navigated to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_problem_(mathematics) 2012-09-13T10:52:07 nope? 2012-09-13T10:52:11 but yes from that 2012-09-13T10:52:23 the word problem comes into play 2012-09-13T10:52:31 antimatroid: do you know about the braird-group? 2012-09-13T10:52:35 yes 2012-09-13T10:52:38 not much about it 2012-09-13T10:52:39 i know what it is 2012-09-13T10:52:47 i did read about it very much earlier 2012-09-13T10:52:58 and yesterday, or the day before i navigated to that too :) 2012-09-13T10:53:10 i was trying to fit your diagrams into brairds 2012-09-13T10:53:14 yeah, eventually i need to bridge the gap from what i'm doing to what's useful for physicists 2012-09-13T10:53:18 and learn character theory 2012-09-13T10:53:22 and representation theory 2012-09-13T10:53:34 they aren't braids :P 2012-09-13T10:53:44 braird 2012-09-13T10:53:57 no 2012-09-13T10:53:59 braid 2012-09-13T10:54:03 they arent 2012-09-13T10:54:05 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_theory wut :s 2012-09-13T10:54:18 but you can make them look like braid diagrams 2012-09-13T10:55:02 not really cause of the triapses 2012-09-13T10:55:09 antimatroid: just imagine, that your diagrams are rotated, so now, the triple bridges in the generators stand vertically 2012-09-13T10:55:45 now, imagine, that you see that line, between 3 nodes, because the real nodes are very close together 2012-09-13T10:55:57 wut? 2012-09-13T10:56:06 haha 2012-09-13T10:56:15 let me ilustrate 2012-09-13T10:56:20 .. 2012-09-13T10:56:22 2 dots 2012-09-13T10:56:28 sketchia 2012-09-13T10:56:31 is the shit 2012-09-13T10:56:31 if you walk farther, you will see 1 dot 2012-09-13T10:56:37 i dont sketchia 2012-09-13T10:56:42 :) 2012-09-13T10:56:47 cant draw with mouse 2012-09-13T10:56:54 whatever, ill do it 2012-09-13T10:57:32 brb going to make milo 2012-09-13T10:57:42 *** wsampson has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T10:59:54 antimatroid: http://sketchia.com/draw.html#K46JgdA 2012-09-13T11:00:02 back 2012-09-13T11:01:46 braidify for me 2012-09-13T11:03:01 lol 2012-09-13T11:03:05 i didnt say i was ready 2012-09-13T11:03:14 btw, that drawing is horrible 2012-09-13T11:03:26 learn to connect them with straight lines, for the love of god 2012-09-13T11:03:27 milo is awesome 2012-09-13T11:03:47 nope :P 2012-09-13T11:04:08 look now 2012-09-13T11:04:10 much better 2012-09-13T11:04:24 or, just use numbers, thats ok too 2012-09-13T11:04:37 though, hard to draw on sketchia 2012-09-13T11:05:04 antimatroid: you can imagine blowing up a triapse into 3 columns too 2012-09-13T11:05:17 i worked out 1 multiplication 2012-09-13T11:05:20 it sort of workd 2012-09-13T11:05:49 i gave up, im just saying, there might be some natural connection, idk 2012-09-13T11:06:40 hmm okay 2012-09-13T11:06:45 i will play with the idea eventually 2012-09-13T11:06:56 i kind of see what you mean with the triapsis 2012-09-13T11:06:58 *** janzert has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-09-13T11:07:07 you could do a similar thing with a diapsis 2012-09-13T11:07:11 and napsis in general 2012-09-13T11:08:11 *** janzert has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T11:08:45 a triapsis could be one of a few braids though 2012-09-13T11:09:10 ie. the bottom to top edge could go over/under each of the other two 2012-09-13T11:09:39 and could be flipped vertically 2012-09-13T11:10:14 there are variations 2012-09-13T11:10:27 and im not sure how to handle the endpoints 2012-09-13T11:10:48 i.e. indentify the left side noded with the right side ones?(in my drawing) 2012-09-13T11:11:00 that would be like closed-loop braids 2012-09-13T11:12:14 see the 8 i just drew? 2012-09-13T11:12:16 that's all options 2012-09-13T11:13:03 yeah 2012-09-13T11:13:18 am not sure what relevance does the over/under have 2012-09-13T11:13:27 braids remember over/under 2012-09-13T11:13:31 i know 2012-09-13T11:13:32 hence the name braid 2012-09-13T11:13:37 but im not sure what does it mean here 2012-09-13T11:13:43 no idea 2012-09-13T11:13:44 for you diagrams 2012-09-13T11:13:45 r 2012-09-13T11:13:50 i'm not sure if this is really useful though 2012-09-13T11:13:57 basically, it have to be imdenepndent of that 2012-09-13T11:14:01 cause the triapses don't really connect 2012-09-13T11:14:32 me neither, i just thought id tell you what i was thinking 2012-09-13T11:14:49 yep :) 2012-09-13T11:17:46 *** iglo has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T11:18:09 *** kilae_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-09-13T11:21:17 *** mattswe has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T11:23:04 *** Kim has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T11:23:20 antimatroid: on second thought, it might be better, to leave the orientation of diagrams unchaned, and write the . _ . as a braid 2012-09-13T11:23:32 *** sigh_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-09-13T11:24:34 Hello my name is Kim a newly started Computer Science student, me and a few fellow students are looking into joining the AI Challenge, is there any information when the sign up will open up again? 2012-09-13T11:24:50 but then, to make connections between non-adjacent nodes, you would need to up the order of the braid 2012-09-13T11:25:20 Kim: there are no explicit plans for a next context 2012-09-13T11:25:22 contest 2012-09-13T11:25:43 it will happen, but for certain organizational issues, it is not decided when 2012-09-13T11:25:54 ah okay 2012-09-13T11:26:23 Kim: you can use the framework for you own purposes 2012-09-13T11:26:35 i.e. pretend, there is a contest, and play your bots against each other 2012-09-13T11:26:42 ah cool! 2012-09-13T11:26:46 and the against the ones you can find on the internet 2012-09-13T11:26:51 it just wont be 'official' 2012-09-13T11:27:04 Kim: setting up a tcp server is not that hard 2012-09-13T11:27:19 That is definately okay, then we can exercise locally untill a official contest opens up :) 2012-09-13T11:27:29 we call a server that matches unofficially bots internet-wide a tcp server 2012-09-13T11:27:47 Kim: it wont be Ants again 2012-09-13T11:28:05 oh okay, so it changes all the time? 2012-09-13T11:28:16 yes 2012-09-13T11:28:30 Either way, any AI challenge will sure teach us alot about AI programming 2012-09-13T11:28:31 it was tictactoe the first time, though i think that was in-house 2012-09-13T11:28:36 then tron 2012-09-13T11:28:39 then planetwars 2012-09-13T11:28:42 then ants 2012-09-13T11:28:51 and now, soemthing else, when it happens 2012-09-13T11:28:51 ah okay, how long does a contest run? 2012-09-13T11:28:58 roughly 2 months 2012-09-13T11:29:06 okay 2012-09-13T11:29:17 Kim: no, it wont teach you much 2012-09-13T11:29:24 at least, not ai 2012-09-13T11:29:31 but you will learn a lot 2012-09-13T11:30:01 you will use algorithms and such that you didnt know about, sure, but those arent really Ai these days 2012-09-13T11:30:14 oh okay 2012-09-13T11:30:35 but it is a challenge to implement a strategy that works or wins the game 2012-09-13T11:30:55 most of the algorithms are known to every participants 2012-09-13T11:31:07 Yes :) - Do you know about Greenfoot interlude greep scenario? 2012-09-13T11:31:21 Its an AI contest, and we are currently trying to make the best AI in our class 2012-09-13T11:31:23 but they cant implement equal strategies or implement them equally good 2012-09-13T11:31:39 no, im not familiar with that 2012-09-13T11:32:13 okay just wondered if it was kinda the same as AI Challenge. 2012-09-13T11:32:31 i have no idea, ill read about it 2012-09-13T11:33:21 No need :) We will return to AI Challenge now and then to check up when the new contest begins, and give you all a fair challenge "Atleast I hope we might not end last :)" 2012-09-13T11:34:33 only a negligible number or persons win and score the last 2012-09-13T11:34:38 i.e 1 and 1 2012-09-13T11:34:46 probably you wont be either one of those :) 2012-09-13T11:34:56 of* 2012-09-13T11:35:36 :) 2012-09-13T11:35:46 Kim: one of the reasons aichallenge is attractive, because it lets you use any language you want 2012-09-13T11:35:52 Is it possible to join in as teams or is it only 1 man teams? 2012-09-13T11:36:10 i think you can team up 2012-09-13T11:36:20 but you cant make more than 1 account 2012-09-13T11:36:22 Exactly that I found very interresting, we would probably use Java since that is our class language 2012-09-13T11:36:35 hehe 2012-09-13T11:36:40 java is quite mainstream 2012-09-13T11:37:09 Yes 1 account per group as I understand, yes I find java very easy to learn :) 2012-09-13T11:37:30 well, i dont care for java 2012-09-13T11:37:43 and if you are a CS student, you shouldnt either 2012-09-13T11:37:48 huh? 2012-09-13T11:37:50 (how arrogant i am, i know) 2012-09-13T11:38:01 Kim: learn lisp and ml 2012-09-13T11:38:16 if they dont teach them to you 2012-09-13T11:38:49 They probably wont, why should I learn lisp and ml ? 2012-09-13T11:39:19 those are 2 of the languages, other languages go for new features 2012-09-13T11:39:50 anyway, just go and read about them 2012-09-13T11:39:58 theres plenty of material on the net 2012-09-13T11:40:08 Kim: c++ :P 2012-09-13T11:40:13 blah 2012-09-13T11:40:18 ahaha 2012-09-13T11:40:19 I don't understand why lisp and ml would be better to learn than java or as antimatroid says C++ 2012-09-13T11:40:21 Kim: dont listen to him, he is the dark side 2012-09-13T11:40:31 really, don't listen to me 2012-09-13T11:40:34 but learn python 2012-09-13T11:40:39 don't listen to mcstar either 2012-09-13T11:40:42 haha 2012-09-13T11:40:43 haskell wouldn't hurt either 2012-09-13T11:40:51 learn all the thingsd 2012-09-13T11:40:53 yeah, im not saying he should 2012-09-13T11:40:58 just trying to broaden his horizon 2012-09-13T11:41:24 i said: aichallenge is great, cause you can use any language, and then he says: exactly, and i use java 2012-09-13T11:41:33 im kind of disappointed 2012-09-13T11:41:36 :) 2012-09-13T11:41:37 How about I just learn how programming languages work, then it won't matter which language I use for whichever task, since its "basicly" all the same with another syntax :) 2012-09-13T11:41:48 mcstar: you forgot the rock paper scissors contest that amstan won 2012-09-13T11:42:00 antimatroid: i said tictactoe 2012-09-13T11:42:01 Kim: they're not all basically the same 2012-09-13T11:42:08 porbably i meant rock paper scissors 2012-09-13T11:42:08 they're different games 2012-09-13T11:42:18 antimatroid: lol, i know 2012-09-13T11:42:26 Kim: most winners have done so from minimax trees 2012-09-13T11:42:27 but i forgot, and said tictactoe 2012-09-13T11:42:37 tron is the easiest game to implement an ai for 2012-09-13T11:42:42 so i would suggest you go with that 2012-09-13T11:42:47 it's also a lot of fun to do and watch 2012-09-13T11:42:57 planet wars is a beast of a problem 2012-09-13T11:43:04 ants is probably better as a second game to touch 2012-09-13T11:43:08 minimax tree? 2012-09-13T11:43:20 all wiki-searchable 2012-09-13T11:43:37 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimax 2012-09-13T11:43:53 a lot of people use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha-beta_pruning but i don't like it 2012-09-13T11:43:58 reading now :) just googled it 2012-09-13T11:44:16 bear in mind game tree's are ridiculously large 2012-09-13T11:44:24 antimatroid: i dont think the tree itself was the key, rather scoring the nodes 2012-09-13T11:44:27 like you think computers can handle big shit? not game trees, those fuckers are ridiculous 2012-09-13T11:44:33 it seems you can "see" the whole world and find a path looking by the simple codes? 2012-09-13T11:44:37 sample* 2012-09-13T11:44:40 yep, the challenge is searching through the tree to find which moves to make 2012-09-13T11:44:45 ah 2012-09-13T11:45:11 not the whole world 2012-09-13T11:45:15 the whole world in time 2012-09-13T11:45:40 the AI challenge we currently are working with Greenfoot - Interlude Greep the greep knows nothing, can only see at its directly location, and has a brain of int 0-255, not allowed to create fields, alot of restricting rules :) quite fun 2012-09-13T11:46:41 i smell java 2012-09-13T11:46:42 kim here's the basic idea for a game tree: at the root you have the current state of the game, then you add a child for each of your own moves you want to consider, and implement those moves in state for the children nodes, then you do the same from each of those nodes with your opponents, rinse and repeat, once you "run out of time" to construct the tree, you evaluate the terminal nodes and use minimax to pick out which moves to make 2012-09-13T11:46:48 What we are working with right now is how to maximixe the use of the int 0-255 brain to contain several things :) 2012-09-13T11:46:53 Kim: is that whole competition based on java? 2012-09-13T11:47:41 antimatroid that sounds very CPU intense :D like simulating the best move based on location, enemi location and more 2012-09-13T11:47:47 with tron you can just do that for basically every move (although you may want to try your hand at maximal path finding once you're separated from your opponent) 2012-09-13T11:48:03 mstar yes Greenfoot is a "welcome to java" tool, which bugs me a bit but the contest is fun :) 2012-09-13T11:48:06 maximal path finding is also a bitch 2012-09-13T11:48:44 :) 2012-09-13T11:49:28 i wonder if anyone used a* in tron 2012-09-13T11:49:38 now i understand the big oracle logo on the bottom of the page 2012-09-13T11:49:39 to pick which locations to move into with the game tree 2012-09-13T11:49:43 i'd love to know how that goes 2012-09-13T11:50:19 a* in tron? why? 2012-09-13T11:50:28 did you need more than flood-filling? 2012-09-13T11:50:39 or a* on the game-tree? 2012-09-13T11:50:48 but that is overkill too 2012-09-13T11:51:00 if it'd work at all 2012-09-13T11:51:02 not really sure how i'd use it 2012-09-13T11:51:15 but trying to think of how to intelligently eliminate states to consider 2012-09-13T11:51:37 alpha beta pruning is okay when evaluating a tree 2012-09-13T11:51:50 but it's not optimal if you plan to continue growing the tree 2012-09-13T11:52:00 and we recycled part of our tree between turns in tron 2012-09-13T11:52:01 id like to use some machiine learning next time 2012-09-13T11:52:25 Which computer education do you two have :)? 2012-09-13T11:52:34 none 2012-09-13T11:52:43 i did a cs major in undergrad 2012-09-13T11:52:44 oh okay :) 2012-09-13T11:52:51 oh, i rogot 2012-09-13T11:52:53 forgot 2012-09-13T11:52:56 his had some 2012-09-13T11:53:00 he had some* 2012-09-13T11:53:14 antimatroid: what cs classes did you have? 2012-09-13T11:53:20 very crap ones aha 2012-09-13T11:54:02 first year programming, operating systems, algorithms, adv algorithms, ai, machine learning, computer graphics 2012-09-13T11:54:10 antimatroid: so i guess, that when you learned c++? 2012-09-13T11:54:12 i did the minimal number of units necessary cause the school sucks at utas 2012-09-13T11:54:19 i learned c++ in adv. algorithms 2012-09-13T11:54:30 used java first year and c in algorithms 2012-09-13T11:54:46 i did a ridiculous number of economics and maths units 2012-09-13T11:54:51 what was the most advanced stuff you learned from machine learning? 2012-09-13T11:55:06 lol, there was no maths in those classes 2012-09-13T11:55:08 they were shit 2012-09-13T11:55:19 you dont need more than linalg 2012-09-13T11:55:26 or math at all 2012-09-13T11:55:32 you can go far with ml wo math 2012-09-13T11:55:36 nah, they didn't even have students learn linear algebra 2012-09-13T11:55:40 it's a "computing" school 2012-09-13T11:55:53 antimatroid: but what was the most advanced topic? 2012-09-13T11:55:54 i just got the cs term cause i did a major through the science degree 2012-09-13T11:56:06 i'll see if i can find the outline 2012-09-13T11:56:27 antimatroid: i just want to compare with Andrew Ng's class 2012-09-13T11:56:34 *** ermau_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-09-13T11:56:34 *** mattswe has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-09-13T11:56:49 aha, it wasn't even machine learning :P 2012-09-13T11:56:56 shows how good my memory is with that 2012-09-13T11:56:59 :) 2012-09-13T11:57:09 data mining and text retrieval was what i was thinking 2012-09-13T11:57:18 that was 2009 2012-09-13T11:57:34 antimatroid: lol, i dont remember what happend to my ml class 2012-09-13T11:57:51 i was doing it at one time 2012-09-13T11:57:58 and now i dont remember what happened 2012-09-13T11:58:22 a1k0n is the machine learning guru 2012-09-13T11:58:22 I have to go now, there is dinner, thank you both for your help :) Have a nice day, bye. 2012-09-13T11:58:35 i should go to bed at some point 2012-09-13T11:59:01 i did 6 weeks, and then forgot about it 2012-09-13T11:59:03 *** Kim has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2012-09-13T11:59:07 i was doing my physics stuff again 2012-09-13T11:59:09 shit 2012-09-13T12:00:46 at least i have a Cryptography certificate 2012-09-13T12:01:01 i wanted to finish Ml though, it was usefull 2012-09-13T12:01:16 with 1 l 2012-09-13T12:09:29 *** Cyndre is now known as Cyndre_ 2012-09-13T12:09:42 *** Cyndre_ is now known as Cyndre 2012-09-13T12:11:01 *** mceier has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T12:11:34 *** ermau_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T12:17:00 *** antimatroidl has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T12:44:42 *** ermau_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-09-13T12:53:51 *** thestinger has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T12:54:54 *** ermau_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T13:03:55 thestinger: i see there's something fishy going on wrt fontconfig 2012-09-13T13:04:12 unpackaged stuff is packaged now 2012-09-13T13:04:15 nothing big changed 2012-09-13T13:04:21 except fontconfig deprecated all the things 2012-09-13T13:04:45 all i know is, chromium's italic font rendering look bad 2012-09-13T13:04:48 looks* 2012-09-13T13:05:55 it must have looked normal, when i last time used chromium, it was some time ago 2012-09-13T13:06:10 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2012-09-13T13:06:23 oh, chromium always looks bad 2012-09-13T13:06:25 on every OS 2012-09-13T13:06:26 no 2012-09-13T13:06:28 font-wise 2012-09-13T13:06:30 it was perfect 2012-09-13T13:06:42 it uses an internal fontconfig/freetype2 and their own broken lcd filter 2012-09-13T13:06:50 i had to set up .fonts.conf with infinality 2012-09-13T13:07:00 and that made fonts look good for all of gtk 2012-09-13T13:07:35 mcstar: it's $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/fontconfig/fonts.conf now btw 2012-09-13T13:07:41 yeah 2012-09-13T13:07:49 i made the change 2012-09-13T13:08:04 and deleted some other confs from /etc/fontssomething 2012-09-13T13:08:27 (and reinstalled it, so it is good now) 2012-09-13T13:08:48 but i just remember now, that chromium's font rendering might not be affected by fontconfig 2012-09-13T13:10:00 thestinger: http://imgur.com/cCXud 2012-09-13T13:10:14 horrible looking italic 2012-09-13T13:11:08 it might be Lucida Grande's and chromium's interaction's artifact 2012-09-13T13:12:10 I don't really use anything in my fonts.conf anymore 2012-09-13T13:12:56 you dont use antialiasing, right? 2012-09-13T13:13:05 you had really slim fonts as i remember 2012-09-13T13:13:15 I do use AA 2012-09-13T13:13:28 it's not a low dpi screen so it looks good 2012-09-13T13:13:43 1920x1080 at 15 inches (not great, but not nearly as bad as desktop monitors these days) 2012-09-13T13:13:55 oh 2012-09-13T13:13:57 http://ompldr.org/vZmg5Yw looks good here 2012-09-13T13:14:09 i thought youre on the desktop 2012-09-13T13:14:14 since your lappy was broken 2012-09-13T13:14:19 nooo fixed 2012-09-13T13:14:30 I just had to drive to a store and they fixed it right there 2012-09-13T13:14:38 they put a new screen in (covered by warranty) 2012-09-13T13:15:29 thestinger: i dont see any italics on that page 2012-09-13T13:16:00 mcstar: the in gvim is italic :P 2012-09-13T13:16:15 well the ? are 2012-09-13T13:16:43 yeah 2012-09-13T13:16:44 thanks 2012-09-13T13:16:45 I had to stop using consolas because it was acting weird though 2012-09-13T13:16:52 :( 2012-09-13T13:17:13 it doesn't ask for enough space above it, so everything aligns strangely 2012-09-13T13:17:13 thestinger: the point was to see chromium's italics, but nice try 2012-09-13T13:17:21 oh 2012-09-13T13:18:45 there, sec 2012-09-13T13:18:59 mcstar: http://ompldr.org/vZmg5ZQ 2012-09-13T13:19:46 chromium renders *wrong* but it doesn't look that bad 2012-09-13T13:20:47 mcstar: just use vimperator :P 2012-09-13T13:21:07 thanks for the screenie 2012-09-13T13:21:12 i dont use vimperator 2012-09-13T13:21:17 you should! 2012-09-13T13:21:19 no 2012-09-13T13:21:19 *** ermau_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-09-13T13:21:22 why? :( 2012-09-13T13:21:34 i dont like vim? 2012-09-13T13:21:41 except for quick edits 2012-09-13T13:21:47 it's not vim though 2012-09-13T13:21:57 yeah, but it says so in the name 2012-09-13T13:22:04 and anyway, its a headache 2012-09-13T13:22:22 do you at least use the emacs gtk-key-theme then? 2012-09-13T13:22:24 i tried pentadactyl, cokeror, vimium 2012-09-13T13:22:33 pentadactyl is really buggy 2012-09-13T13:22:42 and slow 2012-09-13T13:22:45 thestinger: whats that? 2012-09-13T13:22:48 yeah it was slow 2012-09-13T13:23:05 I switched back to vimperator because penta got so damn slow 2012-09-13T13:23:17 emacs gtk-key-theme? 2012-09-13T13:23:20 *** foRei has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T13:23:39 swtiches common shortcuts to emacs's 2012-09-13T13:23:42 ? 2012-09-13T13:23:43 mcstar: yeah 2012-09-13T13:23:48 look in /usr/share/themes/Emacs 2012-09-13T13:24:05 C-W does backward-kill-word, C-n and C-p to cycle through gtk tree views 2012-09-13T13:24:07 etc. 2012-09-13T13:24:24 I have to use it or I accidentally close tabs 2012-09-13T13:24:39 https://github.com/thestinger/dotfiles/blob/master/.gtkrc-2.0#L3 you just set it like that 2012-09-13T13:27:21 *** iglo has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-09-13T13:33:27 thestinger: c-w is not emacs 2012-09-13T13:33:38 I know, it's some ancient unix binding 2012-09-13T13:33:41 yeah 2012-09-13T13:33:56 but the emacs key theme fixes gtk for me :P 2012-09-13T13:34:24 thestinger: gtk-icon-theme-name="Faenza" i see you found that one too :) 2012-09-13T13:34:43 the only good looking icons I've found 2012-09-13T13:34:49 haha, yeah 2012-09-13T13:35:01 im running on oxygen atm under kde 2012-09-13T13:35:16 but i was using faenza for kde before 2012-09-13T13:35:28 but it is natively for gnome 2012-09-13T13:37:18 *** Accoun has quit IRC () 2012-09-13T13:43:27 thestinger: i recently learned, that i forgot about my ml course 2012-09-13T13:43:46 heh 2012-09-13T13:43:49 you mean you forgot to do it? 2012-09-13T13:43:54 yeah 2012-09-13T13:44:00 after week 6 2012-09-13T13:44:07 i did everything up to that point 2012-09-13T13:48:12 *** ermau_ has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T14:00:57 *** Accoun has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T14:09:19 *** epicmonkey has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T14:33:28 *** ecidforiap has quit IRC (Quit: In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni.) 2012-09-13T14:47:07 *** Nik286 has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T14:47:31 thestinger: http://imgur.com/AR541 they look alike 2012-09-13T14:49:37 *** cyphase has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-09-13T14:55:05 my gimp skills are pretty negligible 2012-09-13T14:58:30 *** Nik286 has left #aichallenge 2012-09-13T15:01:30 I wonder why gimp even has that new awful single window mode 2012-09-13T15:01:31 with tabs 2012-09-13T15:01:48 hehe 2012-09-13T15:01:50 should have just forced people to use sane window managers :P 2012-09-13T15:01:55 the tabs are really restrictive 2012-09-13T15:01:56 im on the opposite side 2012-09-13T15:02:06 it should have had tha a long time ago 2012-09-13T15:02:16 but in normal gimp mode, I can just stick one dialog on each side and use a stack in the middle 2012-09-13T15:02:17 it tried to mimick photoshop 2012-09-13T15:02:21 except... I can still look at two at once 2012-09-13T15:02:56 cant you turn this mode off? 2012-09-13T15:03:01 yes 2012-09-13T15:03:08 well, then, problem solved 2012-09-13T15:03:11 everybody is happy 2012-09-13T15:03:17 except people aren't happy 2012-09-13T15:03:24 they don't like how restrictive single window mode is 2012-09-13T15:03:24 thestinger: what do you think about my creation? 2012-09-13T15:03:37 you have more artistic talent than you think 2012-09-13T15:03:47 i think theres a real resemblance between hilbert and morse 2012-09-13T15:03:52 lol, thanks 2012-09-13T15:06:00 *** Migi32 has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T15:09:03 hi. I'm wondering if a starting date for the next contest has been decided yet 2012-09-13T15:09:14 previous contests also started in september, didn't they? 2012-09-13T15:09:35 i dont think so 2012-09-13T15:09:54 ants ended with december, so i think it started somewhen in october 2012-09-13T15:10:01 december 2x? 2012-09-13T15:10:51 planetwars apparently had "programming materials released to the public" in september already 2012-09-13T15:10:53 and no, no dates has been decided so far, if there will be a contest this year, at all 2012-09-13T15:10:55 september 1 2012-09-13T15:11:09 no contest at all? :( 2012-09-13T15:11:19 thats very likely atm 2012-09-13T15:11:24 I thought the last one was rather a success, what changed? 2012-09-13T15:11:25 well see 2012-09-13T15:11:30 nothing 2012-09-13T15:11:34 thats the problem 2012-09-13T15:11:38 nothing has changed 2012-09-13T15:12:09 the servers run on money, in contrast to the popular belief of electricity 2012-09-13T15:12:47 and there are plans to make a non for profit organization so that they will be able to accept donations 2012-09-13T15:13:05 but that stayed in the planning stage for months 2012-09-13T15:13:30 some ppl(well, at least one) should get his act together 2012-09-13T15:13:33 I see 2012-09-13T15:14:22 that's some sad news, I was kind of looking forward to this year's challenge :/ 2012-09-13T15:14:43 youre not alone 2012-09-13T15:15:00 i dont mean myself, but there are other asking the same thing a lot lately 2012-09-13T15:15:06 others* 2012-09-13T15:15:26 and it would be wise to ride the wave of the previous success 2012-09-13T15:15:49 Migi32: https://code.google.com/p/bwapi/ :P 2012-09-13T15:16:17 yeah, skipping a year wouldn't be the end but it would make a lot of people forget about the challenge so the next one wouldn't be as big anymore 2012-09-13T15:16:40 thestinger: I have played a fair bit out of that game and SC2 myself, that looks very interesting :P 2012-09-13T15:22:24 *** thestinger has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9-rc1) 2012-09-13T15:32:22 *** Anilm3 has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T15:43:33 *** Scooper has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T15:49:55 *** Anilm3 has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) 2012-09-13T15:53:16 *** mattswe has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T15:54:17 *** mcstar has quit IRC (Quit: mcstar) 2012-09-13T16:11:52 *** epicmonkey has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-09-13T16:51:33 *** Migi32 has quit IRC (Quit: bye) 2012-09-13T17:07:00 *** Scooper has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2012-09-13T18:12:15 *** foRei has quit IRC (Quit: Bye) 2012-09-13T18:24:53 *** amstan has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T18:24:53 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o amstan 2012-09-13T18:32:35 *** CIA-55 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2012-09-13T18:41:55 *** Icebone1000 has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T18:42:33 can someone give me a hand...Im getting FUCKING NUTS with the c# hash stuff 2012-09-13T18:43:46 GODAMN, hash/set/table whatever never return true on the Contains() method, and I dont get all that equals and hash stuff, what I have to do to make contains compare stuff by value, simple as that 2012-09-13T18:45:59 on the C# starter, everything is derived from location, so it should just compare row and column, but even if the hashset have the damn given location, its returning false on the contain, for the same goddam location 2012-09-13T18:54:25 ok, looks like I solve it by commenting out the GetHashCode override on the temLocation subclass, meaning now its the same for both location and team location...tell me if this is ok or will screw me in the future T.T 2012-09-13T18:55:27 *** smj has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2012-09-13T19:06:58 *** Icebone1000 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-09-13T19:15:14 *** sigh has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T19:24:32 *** antimatroidl has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-09-13T19:34:58 *** sigh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-09-13T20:34:56 *** scribble has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T21:32:03 *** ermau_ is now known as ermau 2012-09-13T21:32:35 *** ermau has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T22:07:39 *** antimatroid1 has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T22:07:39 *** antimatroid has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-09-13T22:39:57 *** antimatroid1 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-09-13T22:40:10 *** antimatroid has joined #aichallenge 2012-09-13T22:59:21 *** scribble has quit IRC ()